42.7.0 Unstable Released

[stone echo]

squid especially i wish was actually possible to come across before it spoils- primary spawn is meat shelves in grocery stores, which are not refrigerated for some reason

[untold latch]

I mean...that's more of a "flavour/ambience" item than anything. It's not like there's scarcity of food items in the game. It serves very little "mechanical" purpose

[stone echo]

fair, i guess, i just like having the early game food variety

helps break up the cabbage (271) in my freezers

[untold latch]

I get that. Would not be the end of the world if half of the ketchup in spiffo's would be swapped by that box eheh

[stone echo]

i've noticed restaurants spawn weirdly low amounts of food honestly

i've never actually found a pizza in a pizza whirled

save for the slices sitting on tables that are rotten by day three

just going through residential neighbourhoods consolidating fridges is by far a better way to get food than breaking into the local spiffo's

[untold latch]

Honestly, I am of the opinion that food in the game is always too much... but that's just the hardcore player in me. Food items should be low, in my view. Otherwise, it defeats the purpose of 1. Half of the foraging 2. Farming. 3. Hunting 4. Animal Care and 5. Fishing.

5 systems around food. No need to have plenty food around at all.

[stone echo]

oh i half agree- for preserved food, yes

but i think it's okay if fresh food is super common since you can't save it all, yknow?

low food count would also be a little better if calorie values weren't near-universally way too low too; most restaurants are lucky to spawn a day's worth of calories inside

[untold latch]

That's not true... Spiffos have a dozen ketchup inside. That's more than 24k calories

[stone echo]

okay, yes, spiffo's is an exception thanks to the ketchup, but most other restaurants don't

also it being entirely in ketchup is still weird, heh

[untold latch]

oh 1000%

[stone echo]

spiffo's is probably fine honestly, it's other restaurants that i tend to take more issue with

pile o crepe and generic diner/burger places seems to be particularly egregious with how little they actually spawn

[untold latch]

guess they wanted to get across the "ransacked" vibe

[stone echo]

that'd make sense if there weren't also pre-looted buildings, which implies that we're the first one looting these buildings

also locked doors, intact windows

really my main issue with it is that there's a few restaurant types that have very few across the map- chinese restaurants have like two locations total outside of louisville, same with mexican

so if you decide to go out of your way to get some uncommon ingredients, you're unlikely to actually find much of value

[untold latch]

yeah... If you zoom out, the whole map is empty. And towns are very "diluted" if you pass me the term

Compare any vanilla map with a Raven Creek, or a Trelai, or a Pitstop. Those modded maps are way denser.

[stone echo]

haven't ever used modded cities myself, honestly

i will say that the new towns are way better than some of the old ones

[untold latch]

You'd notice the difference in density.

[stone echo]

compare riverside to irvington- irvington genuinely feels like a real town in kentucky, as someone who's been there quite a few times

and riverside shows its age the most out of any town in the game

[round knot]

Makes me think, I've never seen a takeaway before in PZ

[stone echo]

yeah, they basically only spawn in office fridges

[untold latch]

Very few points of interest. Very low density of buildings, not realistic container density, too spread out. Those are all vanilla towns in b41. Modded maps arent like that

They feel actual sprawling cities. Only town that approaches that is LV in vanilla.

[round knot]

like a takeaway resturant, like chinese or indian

[stone echo]

there's a wok and rolls in the mall but that's about the only one that comes to mind

[round knot]

do you guys have that in America? non chain ethnic takeaways?

[stone echo]

honestly? i've yet to explore louisville properly; i've made a few tiny expeditions and driven around the big areas a bit but it's so huge and impressive

[stone echo]

for sure, there's a bunch around though they've been dying out a bit as of late

happy wok and whatnot

though that is a chain actually

[untold latch]

dw, I have 2.5k hours and I must admit that barely been there

[stone echo]

it's such a huge feat of map development honestly; a few interiors are a bit barren but it's still super impressive that there's that much there

recently broke 1k hours myself

[untold latch]

modders do it too.

it only feels impressive if all you saw is riverside eheh

[stone echo]

fair, fair, suppose i ought to check em out sometime

i do hope the old towns beside muldraugh get some love sooner or later

muldraugh's revamp is super nice; it'd be great to see that level of quality in rosewood, riverside, etc

[stone epoch]

they are kind of barren in some parts but they all still feel like real buildings... which is yeah super impressive
some of it could be excused via lore as well since I noticed some of the emptiest buildings are either larger buildings (more spread out) or they are in low income areas

[untold latch]

I am pretty sure that they touched on Riverside and Rosewood already. I noticed quite a few differences compared to B41. They would definitely need more love regardless

[stone echo]

have they? i've not noticed much difference there myself, at least not to the extent of muldraugh

[untold latch]

Nothing major. But there's differences

[stone echo]

riverside pd is still smaller than my local small-town pd with a single police car

[untold latch]

Like...Riverside didn't have a drive in

or a car junkyard

[stone echo]

no the junkyard was 100% there in b41

[untold latch]

Those are B42 additions. And in the town proper there's also some minor differences

[stone echo]

you do mean riverside and not rosewood, right? rosewood had the drive-in in b41 and i thiiiink there was a junkyard too

[untold latch]

I mean riverside

The drive in is new. Junkyard too, but maybe it was there and I'm trippin

[stone echo]

hm, didn't see the riverside drive in in my most recent visit but i supposd i missed it

junkyard was definitely there in b41 though; i remember pulling a car out of there in mp

[untold latch]

all right, I was tripping 🙂

[stone echo]

honestly my biggest issue with the current map is just... how far out of the way the new towns are? there's a ton of cool base locations but it sucks basing right on the far edge of the map because it makes things like louisville an insanely long drive

not really a fixable problem, though. i'm just tired of setting up shop in the west point/muldraugh area, heh

[untold latch]

yeah the map is big

[stone echo]

a playthrough or two ago i based up in a farmhouse west of irvington and stars was it awful driving to any other town

irvington is cool but has by far the worst connections out of any of the towns

east where you have to drive along endless boring, forested roads and cut through riverside or north where you have to pass through the super-infested speedway road and choose whether to go further north to ekron or go through a maze of tiny dirt/gravel roads east towards echo creek

[untold latch]

suffers the issue of the rest of the map. With the added downside that is on a corner. Map is empty. Modders will come to the rescue

[stone echo]

kinda but like, brandenburg is on the main highway and ekron has some decent connections to get there, irvington really lacks a 'main road' to get there

[untold latch]

Irvington is surrounded by farmland for miles.

[stone echo]

where was the riverside drive in, by the way? i'm not seeing it on the b42 map

[untold latch]

Aaaaal empty

[untold latch]

I was tripping, I was thinking of rosewood. My bad

[stone echo]

ahh, thought that might be it

yeah, rosewood had the drive-in in b41 as well

really i just wish irvington had a road here-ish

such a pain having to divert all the way around towards rosewood to get there

[untold latch]

There's plans for that area. But nothing incredibly exciting

[stone echo]

plans? how so?

fort knox should be farther east than that if that's what you mean

[stone echo]

oh huh, where's this from? i don't remember seeing it anywhere

[untold latch]

From a Thursdoid I think

[stone echo]

ohhhh right right i remember, back when they were talking about the map expansion

interesting that there's a town to the east that didn't make the cut; that'd be great for balancing out the map a little

[untold latch]

So ye we miss a couple things map wise. A refresh for existing is not out of question

[stone echo]

it's very west-loaded for everything other than louisville

[untold latch]

I hope we'll have it eventually

[stone echo]

for sure for sure, i kinda figured we have all the major towns they plan on adding besides fort knox itself

[untold latch]

two towns a powerplant a a "mountains" area, which is interesting!

[stone echo]

good to be proven wrong

i do wonder how mountains will work in this game

[untold latch]

No clue but the framework is there. Just like skyscrapers, but wider and made of dirt I guess ahah

I am hoping for change in temperature and mountain fauna...A bear...?

[stone echo]

bear in mind........

would be nice to have a colder, snowier area where you might actually have to use some of that winter gear that's in the game

as is you can pretty easily get through january with a t-shirt and maybe a hoodie if you really need it

interesting that 'guston' seems to be right where the schrodinger's steel mill is now

schrodinger's in that it is simultaneously abandoned for decades (covered in ivy, no loot in basically the entire thing) and currently in operation (has new-looking flyers advertising jobs and about a million zombies wearing welder's masks and coveralls on-site)

[untold latch]

possibly guston is the steel mill, just an internal name

unless guston is the name of a town

[stone echo]

it's a real town, ish

location accurate and all

[untold latch]

yeah looking at the map...village more than anything

[stone echo]

maybe they kinda merged it with echo creek?

thanks for grabbing that image though, this is super interesting

[untold latch]

Riverside got some minor change. That's it

layout is unchanged

[stone echo]

i hope they actually add that better connecting road to irvington, heh, it sucks having this be the best way to get there

yeah, looks like mostly roof details

[untold latch]

No worries, I stored it for the occasion 😉

[untold latch]

yup... it's not like there's no room

[stone echo]

yeah, i guess they just don't want to cut too close to the military research facility?

there is technically a closer road cutting through echo creek i missed but still

...wait.

i am blind.

[untold latch]

ahah

[stone echo]

still, odd that it's a collection of side roads with no real 'main road' to get there

there's the one south of march ridge but it is so far out of the way

[untold latch]

Yeah... Honestly, I really want to think that there's something major coming in that area. Otherwise all that emppty space makes absolutely no sense

[stone echo]

plus literally every other major town is connected to the highway directly i think

yeah, hopefully that spot gets filled out a little bit

[untold latch]

I was was a mapper, I'd know where to build

[stone echo]

forgot about riverside, that one isn't. but don't worry because everyone else also forgot about riverside.

and even then it kinda-sorta is

true true, just wanna try to avoid building places where the devs might build later

[heavy meteor]

brother

[stone echo]

it's a smaller road but kinda sorta still the highway i think

if nothing else, it's a straight shot off the highway as opposed to irvington's cutting through gravel roads

[heavy meteor]

What ya talking about guys?

Seems interesting

[stone echo]

irvington's poor road connections to the rest of the map, at current

[heavy meteor]

Hmm

[stone echo]

it's my favourite newly-added town in b42 but a pain to drive to

every other major town is connected directly to the highway, or riverside where it's still kinda connected

fallas lake does not count as a major town

[heavy meteor]

Well, I agree that the b42 areas have a little bit poor road system

[heavy meteor]

True

But I think it's because they made that part of the map much more realistic

New towns make sense now, not like Rosewood

[stone echo]

the new towns are good, yeah, but they're also a place you'll wind up naturally by just driving along major roads

[heavy meteor]

True

[stone echo]

brandenburg is at the end of the highway, following the double-road south of there or going west from echo creek past the steel mill brings you to ekron, but you're not likely to find irvington without specifically trying to navigate there

[heavy meteor]

Yup

I had a fun time driving to ekron from Echo creek for the first time lol

[untold latch]

I maintain that vanilla maps, old or new are too spread out

[stone echo]

accurate for kentucky, in fairness

[untold latch]

Look at this modded map. That feels like a real town

[stone echo]

fair, i just kinda assume they shrink them for the sake of gamification and all that

[heavy meteor]

Oh yeah

It's dope

[stone echo]

otherwise louisville would probably be the size of the entire map we have now

[heavy meteor]

Probably

Lol

[untold latch]

I can play very well in that modded town, no need to shrink them to be playable. To the contrary actually

[heavy meteor]

I hope that the devs will do something to that highway next to March ridge that hasn't been updated in 10 years

[stone echo]

yeah, i suppose they're just trying to avoid people staying in their spawn towns forever- like with current louisville, once you enter you absolutely do not need to ever leave again

and if towns were accurately-sized, it's be a similar thing happening with them

[stone echo]

that's where fort knox is supposed to be in the future, i think

[heavy meteor]

Gimme fort knox 😡

[stone echo]

i haven't been to fort knox itself but i've been to a different military base in kentucky, and it's an interestingly-different layout for a town really

very few actual houses but a lot of barrack-type housing, still has restaurants and grocery stores and whatnot inside, duty-free stores, and the obvious military facilities

really, i want to see the bullion depository in zomboid myself

fun fact about the depository, actually! in 93, it was actively turning all the opium stored inside into morphine- wonder if that'll make it into the game, heh

and when i say all the opium inside. it had something like 69,000 pounds of opium inside.

i know logically there's no real way to open the vault (100 hour timelock, requires multiple codes known by individual staff members there, etc) but given endless time and all the tools you could find in kentucky, with no police or military to stop you, i imagine you could break in eventually

[heavy meteor]

Crazy stuff lol

[stone echo]

fort knox is cool :)

[heavy meteor]

Hell yeah

Why didn't we get it tho 😕

[stone echo]

hey, according to an image in one of the thursdoids, it's planned for b43

[stone echo]

up here

[heavy meteor]

Oh that's cool

I wonder where will the map expand in b43

Like which direction

[stone echo]

honestly, i don't think it needs to? there's plenty of open space

[heavy meteor]

Kinda fair

I wonder which build would be the final one 🤔

[stone echo]

i am curious if we'll ever be able to access the indiana portion of louisville

[heavy meteor]

Hmm, would be awesome

[stone echo]

breaks the rule of it being 'in kentucky' and all but you can technically access indiana in the current build of the game anyways by bridging the ohio river

[heavy meteor]

Cool as heck

I want to find out as to what has happened in the burnt town....

[stone echo]

i thought the military just arson'd it to set up the exclusion zone?

it's right on the border of it and all

[heavy meteor]

The wiki states that it was burnt prior to the outbreak

[stone echo]

is there a source on that claim? wiki is uhhh unreliable at the best of times

[heavy meteor]

Well, I only saw it at wiki

I mean, realistically we should get a newspaper or sum about that

[stone echo]

maybe, depends on if news about the burning got to the media before everyone started focusing on the zombies

[heavy meteor]

True

Maybe it was burnt on 4th of July?

Because of fireworks or something

And by that time, the first infected were already there

Soo...

Yeah

I really wanna know when and how the hell did ekron/irvington and brandenburg fell

I mean, they are pretty far away from the OG exclusion zone that is not even a thing in game lol

[humble onyx]

I've forgotten, does the latest thursdoid come at the end of a month or near at the beginning of a month?

[coral oasis]

ehh at some point it will

people complain about it

you're not alone in this

[reef hill]

Normally it is last Thursday of every month - the blogs are on hiatus as the devs are busy busy though

[candid orbit]

My opinion: Until Multiplayer update comes out, I don't believe the blogs will return.

I think the Nintendo Switch 2 comes out before Multiplayer Update.

[eternal field]

considering just how much they rewrite on the multiserver front how they handle server side authority, i can kinda understand why they wanna want to release it only when they are absolutely sure its ready

some parts of the community dont quite seem to understand the label unstable

[candid orbit]

Yeah, that's the one.

[eternal field]

i do would love some more blogs on tech ramblings with the new update

loved the few very technical blogs we got more aimed at modders

[north mica]

I've seen the cookie jar, super rare but it does spawn

Put all my cookies and sweets in there 😋

[stone echo]

yeah, did a littl research and it's apparently a 0.1% spawn

which is fair, just odd that the takeout container is equally as rare and only spawns in fridges

out of curiosity, did it spawn with cookies inside?

[north mica]

I don't remember

It was months since i played

And even longer since i found it

[stone echo]

wow smh my head not having a perfect memory of playing project zomboid, not a real fan 😔

[eternal field]

that bear besides the cookie jar also seems to be yet another cookie jar

but the spawn rate for it insane

[vast willow]

I’ve had takeout containers spawn and I think money boxes but I can’t think of anything else

[north mica]

kindly go explode

project zomboid's big thing is that it is absolutely huge with its content

but that also means i cannot remember everything

[stone echo]

yeah i did notice, fixed it here because i am blind 😔

[coral oasis]

patch today or not today ?

[untold latch]

anybody's guess... My gut says tomorrow

[coral oasis]

bless your gut

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/belly-wheres-my-money-gif-22197288

[wind wigeon]

I can also imagine that we get 42.8 not this week but next week since easter holidays always means vacation time for lots of people

[coral oasis]

some of them have been active during the holidays cauz the internal builds were updated during that time

it all depends on what they have got going for the next patch and when it's ready well it's ready

[wind wigeon]

I always prefer a patch that is considered ready over a half-baked and rushed patch 🤷

[wide trail]

Labor Day is closer to me on May 1. It's a much more significant day for the world than many people think.)))

[coral oasis]

mostly no one wants that, the longer it takes the better, they'll maybe add some more content

machines, brewing, etc

[dense aspen]

On everyone's soul (yes, EVERYONE) it comes out today

[spiral hornet]

If it doesn’t come out today it will come out ||1 may ||

[limpid sail]

bring back mp

[untold latch]

W take 👍

[twin thorn]

Muldraugh's revamp is 💯/10 visually, meanwhile realism is completely out of the window with it, not that it was much better previously, but at least it didn't seem like this small town has the police department the size of IRL Louisville

[twin thorn]

Devs never confirmed any mountains though, the image that has "mountains" marked on it as an area is basically a fan-made interpretation of what is underneath the added labels/markings

[twin thorn]

Skyscrapers have nothing to do with hills, let alone mountains. No framework is in place that would facilitate ground elevation, i.e. being able to spawn vegetation, wildlife, zombies and vehicles above (or underneath) the ground

[coral oasis]

you know there are facilities with basements and tunnels that have zombies underneath....

[limber tundra]

Tarkov Equipment UI should be in the base game fr, way easier to manage clothing

[twin thorn]

It's planned to be added alongside military NPCs, as per a super old blog post or whatever it was. You can find it through the PZ Wiki

[twin thorn]

Louisville does not extend into Indiana, not in 1993, not now

[twin thorn]

An annotated map shows fires and dead people (possibly soon-to-be reanimated), so likely happened when the exclusion zone was breached

[heavy meteor]

ooh, I never knew that

Do we even have a name for this town?

[twin thorn]

Honestly, we don't exactly know where the exclusion zone starts/ends. In fact, the initial exclusion zone (as of the start of the game) was smaller than the one established a bit later (like 1 or 2 days into the game). No boundary is known at all as regards the southern/eastern/western areas, only northern (aka Louisville and its boundary camp and associated fencing)

We do know Fort Knox is in the exclusion zone, but how much further the exclusion extends is never disclosed

[heavy meteor]

Yup, that kind of sucks

[twin thorn]

Those are buildings, not ground elevation

[twin thorn]

None that I know of

[heavy meteor]

I just like those little lore things, but I get that adding fences and checkpoints on the whole map might be a bit..strange thing

[twin thorn]

Basically a ghost town not even on the map

[heavy meteor]

😦

[heavy meteor]

True, I wish we could get A LOT more info on it

[nocturne marten]

Exactly they should have had some smaller blockroad closing westpoint and muldraugh

[heavy meteor]

100%, they said that there were hundreds of soldiers in the area...the question is: Where the hell were they actually lol

[twin thorn]

It wouldn't be strange at all, just add some small military roadblocks (like a single jeep/Humvee and a road barrier on all roads). This would actually align with the TV/radio lore, as people on the radio in particular reported the military "blocking even the small country road" (the one to the east of West Point bridge)

[nocturne marten]

It was super nice to have those roadblock full of blood and destroyed

[heavy meteor]

First, we need to get more army stuff like cars lmao

[nocturne marten]

Also LV is kinda too clear to be a city where a battle took over

[heavy meteor]

I always said that to my friends when we were there

[nocturne marten]

I hope they gonna add some more lore buildings road blocks, mess in LV, labs in the area

[heavy meteor]

But I agree that it would be cool, just some small checkpoints, similar to those from dying light, the following. And probably like a 2 times bigger ones outside of each bigger town

[heavy meteor]

Hope so

[twin thorn]

Yeah lol

[nocturne marten]

There are some mods for41 give you the idea of them but still it should be vanilla

[twin thorn]

Ngl I would love super in-depth military stuff in PZ, like different ALICE LBV configurations for COs, NCOs, riflemen, grenadiers, machine gunners, etc. etc., but first greater equipment variety would be needed - binoculars for COs/NCOs, grenade launchers (particularly the underbarrel ones for M16 rifles), actual machine guns (like M240 or M249). And I know this stuff isn't happening 😔

[twin thorn]

"There's a tank in front of my house in Louisville!"
Meanwhile players wondering where the hell did the tank go once the player in question is in front of that very house

There isn't even an armored vehicle depot anywhere nearby, so they couldn't park the tank anywhere anyway

[heavy meteor]

the tanks were never actually there, it's all in your head

[twin thorn]

Not even a light vehicle depot, nothing

[heavy meteor]

the military is fake

[twin thorn]

And the armory? Literally a tent with a garage door that has no key for it on the map

[heavy meteor]

Yup

[twin thorn]

Clearly the quartermaster run off as soon as he was ordered to close the door for the night...

[heavy meteor]

Finally folk who agree on this topic lol

[twin thorn]

Now we know why the infected soldiers don't have rifles or ammo on them 🤣

[heavy meteor]

Lmao 🤣

[twin thorn]

The armory was closed, so were the soldiers' weapons

[heavy meteor]

We should see WAY more zombie soldiers, also just randomly chilling in towns

Not only big quarrantine areas, as far as I know they actually went into those towns and not only built a Invisible fence around them lol

[twin thorn]

Fight the undead hordes with your uniforms - especially use your civilian, non-regulation t-shirts that are omnipresent! Also don't forget to unblouse your trousers, tuck your shirts, and wear winter jackets in the middle of summer! Just don't tell the higher ups what our General did to us...

The state of the US Army in PZ is horrible

Terrifying even

[heavy meteor]

Horrible even

[twin thorn]

All regulations gor rid of even

got*

[heavy meteor]

Man, I gotta drop my mapping project and add some checkpoints

[twin thorn]

I'm waiting for a B42 map export so that I can add static police roadblocks to some of the traffic jams

[heavy meteor]

Same

I plan to add some stuff

[twin thorn]

It's stupid how some of them face only one direction without any visible obstacle that would have stopped them

[heavy meteor]

As well as upgrade march ridge

[heavy meteor]

Lmao

[nocturne marten]

In line with the lore should be only blocks closing wp and muld like a block on yhe intersection in south muld will explain the destroyed cars

[twin thorn]

Like the traffic jam on West Point bridge - why'd they stop on that bridge? The road was clear... all they had to do was drive forward

[nocturne marten]

But not in every single town

[twin thorn]

The only blockade in front of them was the border camp, where ANOTHER traffic jam was situated. But at least that one can be explained by the barriers/fence at the camp

[nocturne marten]

In every town doesn't have so much sense and will be super easy find mil equipment

[heavy meteor]

Just Muld, west point and brandenburg for me

Irvington should have a abandoned convoy

[nocturne marten]

By lore should be only muld and wp and yes maybe some abandoned trucks

[heavy meteor]

Maybe they expanded their checkpoint stuff

[twin thorn]

Yeah, that's another place where a static roadblock should be placed. There are 2 other places where I'd want to place roadblocks:

• the highway intersection south of Muldraugh
• a bit to the north of Muldraugh PD where regular cars spawn (for some reason), probably I'd turn them into a traffic jam instead of adding a road block there tho

[nocturne marten]

Maybe at the small army barracks around the map

[nocturne marten]

The bridge between wp and LV

[heavy meteor]

This one for sure

[nocturne marten]

Maybe if we make a suggestion post and put a lot of like they will keep it in consideration

[twin thorn]

Also forgot about Louisville's northern bridge - instead of only traffic jams there, just before the roadblock/fencing a few police cars should spawn (and police zombies ofc)

[nocturne marten]

Especially now that they are still finishing the map

[nocturne marten]

Exactly the bridge should be destroyed

And blocked

[twin thorn]

Yeah, they had helicopters inside the exclusion zone too, as per news broadcasts reporting on them leaving the zone about 9 days into the game

[nocturne marten]

Also the bridge of Brandenburg should be destroyed

[heavy meteor]

9?! That's longer than I've thought

[twin thorn]

Lore states it's destroyed already too, but it's actually only fenced in actual gameplay.
For clarity, I'm talking about the one that's inside Louisville, at the norther far-end of the playable map

[heavy meteor]

I think it already is

[twin thorn]

Maybe 7, idk

[heavy meteor]

Cool

BUTT, that mean that they should leave something behind

[twin thorn]

They left...
... zomboids

[nocturne marten]

For this i think they will never do it there is already expanded helicopter event

[heavy meteor]

Maybe maybe

[heavy meteor]

At least we got them

[nocturne marten]

To be honest for me, they should have pay more attention on the map, More destroyed LV, check points, I don't understand how and why they skipped it

They made a huge Muldraugh, very nice, but all the rest is kinda abandoned

[twin thorn]

I wish PZ was set in like 2013 🥲
So much cool stuff in regards to vehicles and military equipment would be within the game's default scope, and thus more modders would pick this stuff up (instead of all the 1990s cars; I mean, they're cool, don't get me wrong, but personally I prefer 2010s stuff much more)

[nocturne marten]

The army barracks also seems like camping grounds

[twin thorn]

Muldraugh has the single biggest police station on the map right now

Meanwhile irl the Muldraugh Police Department can't even afford a tiny shack of their own, instead basing itself in a combined school-city hall-police department building

[nocturne marten]

It's understandable is the town they started pz i think is just a love affair

What i say is" ok u made muldraugh beautiful, don't leave the others alone

[twin thorn]

I think more love would be shown if the town was recreated 1:1, right now it's only the overall layout and name that's shared with irl

[twin thorn]

Other towns, including the behemoth that is Louisville, definitely should get a touch up

[nocturne marten]

Lv should be like racoons city in RE

[twin thorn]

It should get nuked? 😂

[nocturne marten]

Between munched by zeds and nuked.....a mess of blodd and guts

[heavy meteor]

I gotta go people, I'll be back In an hour or so

[twin thorn]

See ya

[nocturne marten]

💪

[twin thorn]

Doesn't fit PZ's lore though

[heavy meteor]

See ya

[twin thorn]

The virus is airborne, and most of the infected you see never even saw a zombie in person before - or after - contracting the airborne virus

[nocturne marten]

Why not the channel they made in the ds they were talong about people fighting the zed advance with military groups

[twin thorn]

That was at the checkpoint/exclusion zone fence

[nocturne marten]

No no if u read the ds channel about the 30 anniversary it say it clearly

[twin thorn]

So basically people fending off the hordes heading for Louisville... meanwhile the population of Louisville turned into zombies

[twin thorn]

Yes I remember that

[nocturne marten]

Groups of people with some military leftover trying to fight back the zombies, and fall for the sickness

[nocturne marten]

Exactly i'm not asking warthogs destroying LV or f18 with napalm

[twin thorn]

Also no mention of anyone in those groups turning into zombies

[nocturne marten]

But at least more blood and destroyed buildings

[twin thorn]

The hours align with "it all happened in the boundary camp"

[nocturne marten]

But still don't u find LV to clean?

[twin thorn]

Crank up randomized building stories in Sandbox, at least you'll get some more burned out houses and/or barricaded ones

[nocturne marten]

I expect so clean muld and wp, cause of the evacuation but not LV

[twin thorn]

It's definitely too clean, yes. I only disagree in adding blood and signs of combat to it

[nocturne marten]

I don't mean a full blood's bath

A bit like small areas got in battles

[twin thorn]

Litter etc. should be a thing, but not significant signs of any kind of battle as NONE happened before the player gets there (or other survivors once B43 is released)

[twin thorn]

That would fit for the boundary camp 100%

And bodies

[nocturne marten]

This is gonna be now with the looted buoldings mechanic

Another thing i would appreciate is to see the baseball stadium used as military camp

The problem with the sandbox is that if u add more building stories u gonna have it everywhere, they should zoning those a bit more

Like for the cars if i had more of cars stories i will found tens if ambulances finishing to have more medical stuffs than an hospital

[sterile karma]

check the next day

[twin thorn]

RIP 💀

[heavy meteor]

So

turns out, it took longer than an hour lol

[twin thorn]

The convo's over already

[heavy meteor]

fuck

[twin thorn]

So I don't think you missed on much

[heavy meteor]

😔

[sharp belfry]

I think it would be helpful if in the crafting menu for things like armor and weapons, to display the item tooltip when you hover over the output of the craft.

[candid orbit]

I think it should have a toggle that only shows the craftable items you can do with your current levels.

And set that to be enabled by default.

[pine holly]

Good progress so far

[vast willow]

everywhere is a bit too clean

game needs more enviromental story telling in general but ig its not a top issue with the game

example of something similar would be the crashed train in Irvington, if the game had more stuff scattered around it would make things a bit more interesting cus the current randomized story zones can sometimes feel a bit cheap

[nocturne marten]

For me is a big issue cause it's kinda kill the atmosphere, I don't really care about all the primitive/wilderness stuffs.....

[nimble topaz]

primitive/wilderness is this decades cars

[nocturne marten]

Decades cars?

[vast willow]

what would you suggest to see in the game?

[ancient scaffold]

Just wanted to inform you fellas that 42.8 is today. Trust me bros.

[wise junco]

Lemmy just emailed me to tell you guys Dissonant is lying

[ancient scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[nocturne marten]

Being a zombie apocalypse, with realistic elements i would like to see more survival, weather events affect the player, like crops and other, more small features like instead of havinf already cutted logs, full logs to be use for construction, more reasons for scavenging, magazines etc.....personally i find the game very easy, zombies should be more threatening, with formation of hordes and being attracted by the sound of character's base, i like the crafted weapons and armours, pottery should be more usefull till now it's kinda useless, i mean being able to craft gardening pots for indoor farming, more lore trlated locations, maybe a bit extra lore, to make it even more deep with the different theories, i have a very long list, i tried a run in the wilderness, even with a bow mod, without and with zombies, i kinda stopped after 3 months in game, at the moment for me the wilderness have sense in a rp multiplayer context, just this, but is just a personal opinion

But sure i love the fact of primitive things, in a rp it can make me think to cretae a group like the seraphites, but personally not for zero zombie run in the middle of a forest

Considering still missin many elements for a full survival in wilderness like preserving food for long terms

[wooden locust]

The hell this dude is yapping about

[ebon pivot]

Ceramic pots, indors farming, bows and food preservation are valid themes but other than that it's just your lack of motivation to play. I think you just got bored of playing it

[nocturne marten]

Nope.... I'm actually make a new run till next update, i posed some limits like for my vehicle I'll take pieces only from same car model, etc and i made it very difficult i found it challenging, my problem is i come from games like TLD so i need a real challenge in survival and more realistic as possible, and i find really nice i had a vanilla run in 41 were i survived ten years, i have 4000 h most of them sp, i play only hardcore rp. I just find a bit out of theme the wilderness survival but it's just my opinion.....

[nocturne marten]

And considering the lore there is absolutely need of more lore locations, something that actually make i feel that something happened, like this seems like all the humans just disappeared leaving everything clean...

[vast willow]

Everything tbh does seem too clean there is no real destruction besides the cool Louisville quarantine area burned down, I like the environmental story telling of things like that and I think we definitely need more of it

[ebon pivot]

Dude, maybe try touching grass once in a while

Also tf is TLD

[vast willow]

The long dark

It’s a survival game that has nothing to do with project zomboid

[hallow vale]

i think u r just bored

no

touch grass then

[ebon pivot]

)

[nocturne marten]

😂😂😂😂 i have 3 dogs so i touch a lot of grass

[vast willow]

You could have 3 cats and still touch grass lol

[nocturne marten]

Just happen i have dogs...😆

[vast willow]

Walking 3 dogs is crazy

Anyone who does that has my respect

[nocturne marten]

🫡

[ebon pivot]

My apologies then, but still 4000 is some insane numbers

[nocturne marten]

I know people with like 7000 h, o don't want to reach those numbers 😂

[sterile karma]

A Tropical storm blows through the area and there's no wrecked furniture, blown out windows, destroyed roofs, trees toppled over

Even the Erosion is really tame
Cracks and tears in walls but they will never collapse
Roofs that never break even 10 years later
No potholes forming on the road from a lack of maintenance or collapsing underground systems
No flooding of any kind, ever

[nimble topaz]

getting cars to be fun and playable pretty much ate up 50% of dev time. Multiple major engine rewrites. Massive implacts on other promised gameplay features (NPC's). Even now after so much time and effort there are still arguably significant gaps in the feature. And all that effort for a feature that actively works against some of the core gameplay loops. Cars mean you actively have to engage much less with other core systems like combat, stealth, item weight. Having a car turns a tense game of what is worth carrying to one where you can just carry all your loot with you. Having a car trivializes the challenge of other systems. It makes all the content in the game feel much smaller, meaning the devs have to make even more content and create long boring gaps of nothingness between to make it not feel empty. And there is the realism compromises.

If they had just said "zombie virus makes gas explode" then they could have saved years of work and gotten way more impactful and polished features out the door way sooner.

[shy helm]

I'm more than happy to have more realism than just making superhuman zeds and ignoring reality for the sake of "game must be hard, harder, hardest ever" ideology

can't have a post-apocalyptic nu-medieval rebuilding society if every day is about being hunted by superzombies relentlessly

[gusty ginkgo]

same, plus a lot of what ends up happening in zombie apocalypse stories is other groups of survivors become just as large of a threat as the zombies are, if not even larger.

once they eventually add NPCs it would be really cool if that happened in zomboid too, like zombies are still numerous and highly threatening but as you adjust and learn to deal with them, it's the survivor NPCs that become the biggest threat

[nocturne marten]

Me too i don't like the idea of super/special zombie, i think zombies will became, with time, just another predator, that human get used, the real danger should come from survival in the first moment and after setted up from npc not zombies

[twin thorn]

As players and NPC survivors learn to cope with the undead, zombies should dwindle in numbers significantly, to the point that they become basically a background to inter-group/inter-survivor interactions

[gusty ginkgo]

exactly, I would love that

as the years go by it just becomes post apocalypse stardew

[twin thorn]

Something like 28 Weeks Later perhaps

The society is rebuilding, but a reintroduction of zombies on a larger scale is a threat

Ofc that threat would be non-existent with instant zombification etc.

But on the default settings it would be somewhat of a threat... but then, shambler zombies are basically a non-issue

[round knot]

No .8, Indie stone going for the fingers-up-ass WR

[shy helm]

They be cooking something big

[toxic current]

yes MP

[shy helm]

For once that makes sense

MP would be very anticipated big thing

Ensuring least bugged version of it

[toxic current]

haven't played Build 42 yet im waiting for MP

cant do that any longer

[shy helm]

Can only sleep and hope to wake up for big news

[wooden locust]

Just embrace the time it takes.

[wind wigeon]

My guess is 42.8 on the 5th or 6th of May with unstable MP

[stone echo]

not to be a hater but multiplayer is very unlikely to come before all of b42's major systems (ie bowyery, brewing, advanced machinery, etc) are implemented </3

[wind wigeon]

[coral oasis]

I think there is still stuff to come before MP

like we discussed brewing, archery, machines, etc

[coral oasis]

this, sry didn't see it

[stone echo]

we are haters in arms

stealing away multiplayer from every zomboider

[reef hill]

Yea there is plenty to fix before then, but they have been making progress

[round knot]

Will be no MP before machinery, and machinery won't come with MP at the same time.

Will be MP + everything else I think in .8

And .9-.10 will be MP

[coral oasis]

still some are lacking like glassmaking, very few items you can craft with it

[stone echo]

yeah, i do wonder what they'll add to glassmaking besides the obvious of more windows, maybe car windows, and the milk bottles you can find on occasion

[dense aspen]

Glass arrowheads

[coral oasis]

max 2-3 items are useful and i think there are a total of 5 items

[stone echo]

there is actually a broken glass spearhead which is neat

[dense aspen]

[stone echo]

i do think they ought to find a solution for 'remove glass' on those full-windows so they aren't still visually spikey

really 'removing glass' on those tiles should just remove the window entirely and make them walkable i think

[coral oasis]

maybe some decorative some bottles, glass panes for a greenhouse maybe

[stone echo]

greenhouses do seem like the most practical application, yeah

[coral oasis]

maybe

[stone echo]

grow stuff even in winter, heck, maybe even it gives a way to farm the more exotic produce (ie mangoes, pineapples)

skylights would be good if they, yknow, actually worked for light propagation

[dense aspen]

Glass dust to blind zombies

[stone echo]

really the only practical things glassmaking theoretically has with current recipes is making windows (which is buggy and only works in player-built windowframes, jars for food preservation, and i suppose glass bottles would be good for storing a lot of individual kinds of liquid as opposed to the amphora which is moreso mass storage of one liquid

really though, i can't think of many liquids you'd want to store? at least in terms of ones that you would produce without looting

water, milk... i suppose alcohol once we can make that?

[dense aspen]

Chemicals

[stone echo]

i mean i don't know what chemicals we'd be synthesizing in a circumstance where you have to create your own glass bottles instead of looting them

oh, animal blood as well

hm... odd that cooking oils aren't a liquid now that i think about it

[dense aspen]

Crafting scopes for guns would be cool

[stone echo]

speaking of, i really hope we get a way to render animal fat down into oil, lard, and whatnot- vegetable seed oil being the only way to get it is a little rough

true, true, though i'd imagine it's way easier to just loot a scope

binoculars or something that let you pan the camera farther away would be neat

[round knot]

Whenever I use seed oils I see my character get slightly less manly and right wing

He's joe rogan after all

[cedar tapir]

Damn vegan oil takin away our rights

If there's no death involved it's not manly enough

[gaunt imp]

I wanna be able to cook everything in beef tallow and nothing else

[meager cliff]

yo devs fix ur game Bru what is ts💔

[heavy meteor]

Lmao

[cunning delta]

b43 leak lookin fire

[wooden locust]

Cope will kil you

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[sterile karma]

Id love having just glassware. Like, glasses, and plates maybe. A vase where you can put flowers in for base decor or eventually if you get higher levels stuff like lenses for, idk, glasses, rudimentary western style scopes

And on a medical / chemical expansion then you could obviously also make Al/chemical beakers and vials and stuff

[vast willow]

yall ever just stop to think. why is there a crowbar floating on my back or how are these tools floating on the side of my belt

[wise junco]

Telekinesis

Nuff said

[vast willow]

[cunning delta]

dont give any idea

next we will need a sling to put weapons on our back

[twin thorn]

I wouldn't mind that...

[cunning delta]

yea now that I think about it thats not a bad idea lol

would be pretty cool

[mellow totem]

Is there MP yet?

[cunning delta]

https://discord.com/channels/136501320340209664/136501320340209664

[mellow totem]

Damn guess I’m not playing it yet

[wise junco]

Wdym MP already here

[twin thorn]

Tbh weapons that don't have physical means (f.e. slings) of being attached to your body shouldn't be able to be attached to the "back" - instead, something like attaching them to a backpack should be introduced. At least that would make more sense than the current state of things. I mean, irl your back wouldn't be able to have a baseball bat glued to it with pure willpower, like it happens in PZ (same as you wouldn't be able to shove 10 rifles up your ass while naked)

[wise junco]

You just need to be extra special

[cunning delta]

will bayonets ever be able to be used?

[wise junco]

The weapons stay attached through the pure strength of their back muscles

https://tenor.com/view/how-heavy-are-the-dumbbells-that-you-lift-dumbbell-nan-kilo-moteru-anime-flexing-muscle-bod-gif-14694770

[cunning delta]

also the chainsaws

[twin thorn]

Technically there exists a model of an M16 with a bayonet attached to it, but it's not used in the game and has no functionality to it

[cunning delta]

I thought theyd only go on the hunting rifles?

[twin thorn]

Hunting rifles aren't supposed to have bayonets lol

[cunning delta]

oh wait no

I was meaning the MSR

[twin thorn]

What even is the MSR supposed to be to begin with

[cunning delta]

no idea, it does horrible damage to be a rifle

[kindred socket]

I ate the mp

We outta mp

[buoyant widget]

No update today ?

[untold latch]

The longer 42.8 takes to drop, the higher the chance to see a major feature. Happy to wait a tad longer if that's the case!

[stone echo]

are we allowed to start asking pat if it's update day every day again yet

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/let-them-cook-let-them-fight-godzilla-godzilla-2014-meme-gif-10523835079864650811

[wise junco]

With all these questions it's more like

https://tenor.com/view/crying-kid-rush-cooking-gif-15677626

[solid osprey]

Yes. But he's allowed to ignore you

[stone echo]

sounds like a deal to me :)

anyways yeah, good luck hope the update's going well on the dev end too

[buoyant widget]

sounds like we get the update today

[solid osprey]

It is called the Wonder Woman attachment system.

[strong wedge]

lol

[coral oasis]

let them cook it otherwise you're gonna complain again metalworking is not fixed 😉

[compact pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/king-arthur-king-arthur-movie-sword-charlie-hunnam-gif-5729788

[buoyant widget]

blacksmithing > metalworking

[coral oasis]

whatever you wanna call it, actually b41 metalworking is now welding

[stone echo]

honestly i don't quite understand why they changed it like that- i can see renaming it to welding, but naming the smithing skill the old name of a skill you changed the name of in the same update seems like it has no purpose other than confusion, hah

metalworking is only smithing, right? i can't think of any non-smithing uses of it at current

[buoyant widget]

wait

is metalworking blacksmithing now ?

[coral oasis]

mostly yes

building stuff from metal that uses propane is welding

if you barricade, build metal fences you get welding xp

also scrap weapons, armor

if you forge metal armor you get metalworking xp

[vast willow]

thats future content along with the gunlight attachment

no eta on when that stuff will be added

[cunning delta]

ah ty

[buoyant widget]

uhm

it's not really intuitive

[coral oasis]

well everything you will forge from chunks, bars, quarters, etc will grant metalworking xp

[buoyant widget]

what if i smelt tools to get chunks of iron ?

[coral oasis]

also some sawing of items

[coral oasis]

I didn't get any xp

[stone echo]

yeah, no xp from smelting stuff into metal at current

[buoyant widget]

oh ok

[coral oasis]

after crafting nails from chunks I got

[buoyant widget]

but it does not require any level in metalworking nor welding right ?

[stone echo]

some recipes for splitting/reconstituting metal bars and whatnot do but general rule, if you craft it at a forge it likely gives xp but if you craft it at a furnace it probably doesn't

[coral oasis]

lvl 1

for nails

[stone echo]

smelting metal has no skill requirement

[buoyant widget]

how did you get this level ?

[coral oasis]

forge key rings

or get the trait

[buoyant widget]

does it require advanced tool ?

[stone echo]

there's a couple of level 0 recipes

[buoyant widget]

can i do it with primitive ?

[coral oasis]

no

[buoyant widget]

uhm ok

[stone echo]

i thiiink you still get gatekept from primitive start, i forget which tool it is though

[coral oasis]

from 0 you can't lvl up metalworking without looting tongs and a punch

[buoyant widget]

oh

[coral oasis]

or small chisel

[buoyant widget]

i never found any tong, only vise grip

[coral oasis]

they work

[buoyant widget]

really ?

[stone echo]

tongs are best found in fireplaces in rich homes

[coral oasis]

yes

[stone echo]

vise grips work for some recipes but not all

[coral oasis]

use them to craft tongs and a heading tool

also a drawplate for making wire

[buoyant widget]

as a replacement of tong ?

[coral oasis]

yes

[buoyant widget]

ok i will try

[stone echo]

yep, i haven't noticed a pattern in which recipes allow it though

[buoyant widget]

also the heading tool is required in a lot of craft isn't it ?

[stone echo]

mostly armour i think?

[buoyant widget]

those tools are breakable when used in crafting ?

[stone echo]

technically yes but they last for quite a long while

make a spare once you unlock the recipes but don't overly worry about it

[coral oasis]

tongs no

[stone echo]

no, tongs can break

i've had them wear down while crafting

they take quite a while though

[coral oasis]

It never happened to me

[buoyant widget]

cause tongs don't have durability in the tooltip

[stone echo]

yeah, weirdly it only shows up after they get damaged

[coral oasis]

I've used them quite a lot and they were fine and yes not durability in tooltip

[stone echo]

i'd grab a screenshot but i got got in my savefile lately by hearing radius for some reason not working in the dark </3

[buoyant widget]

crafting nails require heading tool

[coral oasis]

check heading tool

[coral oasis]

metalworking punch

good luck looting

[buoyant widget]

yes also the iron bar quarter need an iron tong

[coral oasis]

can't craft it

[coral oasis]

yes that too ;)))

[buoyant widget]

so the vise grip is useless for the nails

cause you need the tong anyway

also the pottery wheel require nails 🙂

[coral oasis]

ehh details ;))

[buoyant widget]

so adios wilderness

we need primitive version of the primitive stations

[coral oasis]

what have I just told you, can't go primitive

that's what I'm hoping they fix in .8

[buoyant widget]

also the bag is hard to craft

although you can find hemp through foraging

[coral oasis]

that should be easier to make later on with maybe a new craft recipe for sacks

[buoyant widget]

you should be able to put sand into a bucket

it makes sense right ?

the bucket is not hard to craft

[coral oasis]

no I don't think so

you need a sack

[buoyant widget]

why ?

[coral oasis]

this will be balanced because the sack is kinda locking out progression

you need a sack to take sand

and a shovel

also clay

[buoyant widget]

Yes, but i mean, they should change it so that we can use a bucket

[coral oasis]

you can forage for clay with stones focus near roads

iron ore spawns should be balanced in the procedural lands cauz it spawns so low

I didn't find any with foraging 10

[buoyant widget]

Theoretically, there's an almost infinite source of iron thanks to the tools planted in the bodies of zombies, isn't there?

with smelting

[coral oasis]

depends on settings

[buoyant widget]

default settings

[coral oasis]

you need a lot of small stuff and not all of them can be smelted

[buoyant widget]

a lot of them can

[coral oasis]

yes but apart from kettles, etc

check how mane spoons and fork you will need cauz it's not 1

you need 10 nails to extract iron piece from them

fyi

[buoyant widget]

1 fork -> 10 nails

I mean, that's a good ratio to me

[latent tulip]

So 10 forks is a box of nails yeah that actually really good

[crisp sparrow]

Dude where’s the multiplayer, come on Indie Stone what are you guys doooing

[shy helm]

they ran away with MP patch so we don't get custody of their beloved child

[reef hill]

My mother ran away before I was born

[shy helm]

it happens if you are a chicken

[reef hill]

🐔

[shy helm]

starting to dread the next patch

bound to have shit tons of complaints if its not MP, and shit tons of complaints if its not a patch with size appropriate to the waiting time for it (randomly chosen expectations per complainer)

I too find myself wondering what possibly could it contain, whether it'll actually introduce enough major systems so I could start a save that doesn't get ruined by further big ass patches

[wise junco]

People will always have something to complain about

What is there to dread

[shy helm]

just a personal dread cus I keep replying to many complainers lol

pointless

[cedar tapir]

They should be glad I'm not on the dev team, I'd figure out a way to temporarily ban them until 6 months after MP releases

[eternal field]

it was just a month, tho?

a month with a week less, too

there was this little event called easter that quite a few countries still celebrate and have as public holidays

[shell vessel]

did you know that you can get high off of gasoline and its considered as an inhalant

[cedar tapir]

I imagine said complainers wouldn't think that far through it though

[untold latch]

People get used to by-weekly patches faaaar too easily 😅

Let me tell you, there's a 99% chance that next patch is NOT MP, as we still miss quite a few major systems (Bowery and machining comes to mind). My realistic hope is that we will see some minor map changes/addition, as well as a more fleshed out crafting system. My secret hope is to see bowery land...but even that I'd find a very demanding expectation to have now

[wise junco]

I ate all the MP

Y'all ain't getting MP for a good long while

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cam-cat-camera-cat-wide-cat-wide-gif-16729570673879006163

[strong wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hate-mouse-eat-gif-15496716735261506880

[north mica]

i didnt know but i'm not surprised by it either

people can get high from glue

[shell vessel]

yeah.. also wait till you hear about getting high off of felt tip sharpies 😭

[coral oasis]

yes, seems very good

I have tried that on .2.0 and it was different

it required 10 spoons or something like that to make a chunk

[coral oasis]

we have it, they gave it to us earlier this week and told us to charge 50 EU to anyone who wants it

[coral oasis]

as I said It before, the longer we wait the better

[shy helm]

they're making me start a proper Vintage Story run, and I love it, pls no MP or patch until B42 is fully ready

[coral oasis]

hehe

I remember back in 41 unstable builds just kept coming for 2 years on

and when we all believed they were stuck in development hell, 41 stable released

[remote lily]

let's all engage in a little thought experiment:

imagine B42 multiplayer as a stack of pancakes you've been lovingly dousing in syrup

Case in point:

https://tenor.com/view/blows-up-blows-up-pancakes-with-mind-blows-up-pancakes-blows-up-with-mind-ma-fukin-pancakes-gif-3962144551151172136

[cunning delta]

your going to blow b42 up with your mind?

[remote lily]

no no, it's just a metaphor

everytime someone asks "mp when", nasko blows up the pancakes, aka: delays MP for another week 😂

[cunning delta]

lol

[limber pelican]

[gaunt imp]

What if i want waffles instead

[dense aspen]

[remote lily]

[sterile karma]

It'll take at least half a year until MP releases because the release of MP is now seen as the soft relaunch of the game. Personally, I dislike this practice. However from a business point of view, it makes sense. As the generated hype causes the most new and returning players when it happens.

And it's understandable why TIS wants to avoid any potential swarm of bugs, issues and complaints when they soft relaunch their product

Hence why they want the majority of new items and mechanics well included, implemented and mostly bug free before they go ahead with it

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-cyberpunk-anime-lucy-cyberpunk-edgerunners-smoking-gif-26728461

[cunning delta]

does anyone know if satchels are wearable with SCBA tank? I feel like itd make sense to atleast allow satchels

[stone echo]

throwing this in here as well, a little visual representation of how i imagine a potential evolved recipe cooking ui looking :)

[untold latch]

Surely UI wizard-modders as Rocco would be able to pull this off easily

[stone echo]

addendum thoughts:

• click + drag into boxes or click box and select, like how the liquid system works
• the entire ingredient is always used outside of some outstanding cases where it clearly should not happen, ie the bags of dried beans
• 'favourite recipes' can include your own favourited recipes, or recipe cards you find in the world- these could include the 'easter egg' foods like the portal cake, and also maybe give a slight buff to calories + happiness when eaten :)

[limpid sail]

waiting for b42 mp day 135:

[marble lynx]

that really good

[cedar tapir]

Dont worry, you'll be able to get to 69420 days ;)

[limpid sail]

[cedar tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-sadism-suffering-happy-pin-kiv-gif-19470753

[limpid sail]

[ancient scaffold]

that's pretty cool, I would also like for the menu to show potential ingredients I can add even if they are frozen, currently if I stand near a fridge if won't show ingredients that are frozen which is annoying so I have to guess what ingredients I can use and then heat them before finding out if I can add them.

[north mica]

why did you cook this hard

that's a pretty good concept

something that you could perhaps post on the forums or something

guarantee the devs will at the very least make note of it

[twin thorn]

Fresh baked stuff should already give a happiness bonus

[candid orbit]

Cook harder, all of you.

[wise junco]

https://tenor.com/view/cuisine-explosion-cooking-failed-will-smith-gif-12098813

[candid orbit]

Oh yeah, GTA6 got delayed 1 year from now.

[shy helm]

they waitin until other companies hike up prices of games so they can have their 100 USD/euro base game

[wise junco]

Didn't Nintendo already start that chain

[shy helm]

apparently Xbox also hiked up old console prices and new starting price of their games

anyway....I heard indie games are 10 times better

[wise junco]

Damn

I mean, I kinda don't care. I already pirate most AAA games anyway

[shy helm]

happily playing good games, which often do not cost a kidney

[fringe haven]

If you wait a year they go on sale anyway

[teal mortar]

Why steam is the best gaming company

[gaunt imp]

Yes valve has never ever done anything wrong

Glory to steam

[mortal dagger]

Indies are the way to go

I kind of imagine GTA VI may be what breaks the camels back if people dont like it and if it does cost a lot as is rumored

[sterile karma]

i wish they didnt remove workstation UI's because this way you could make stuff like this waaay easier

like in the leadup to B42 we had these uis for kilns and drink dispenser machines and whatnot

i want those back

[stone echo]

yeah, still seems nuts that they decided against that

[sterile karma]

Apparently the playtesters didnt like it, to which id say, uhhhhhhh, L take of gianormous proportions

[stone echo]

i mean surely it can't be worse than the current crafting ui, heh

[sterile karma]

The UI's were great

and as said above having them would make it easier to learn how to do or enable smoother to do more custom UI like them

now we got nothing in their stead >:(

[stone echo]

😔

[sterile karma]

The same reason we dont have animated title screens now

because people freaked out that it could be AI made

to which they removed the title and loading screens entirely

[stone echo]

number 1 wish for the ui is 'please just let me click and drag items into boxes'

eh, the loading screens were bad either way, and i didn't see anyone complaining about the title screen

reasonable for tis to suspect ai if it came from the same guy, though

i think the loading screens didn't fit the vibes of the game anyways lol, way too goofy for the tone

[glacial badger]

Idk man, if people complain that something could be made with ai, why would you take it down if it’s not made with ai

[stone echo]

i think the reasoning was not wanting that specific complaint to overshadow b42's release which, fair

i do think it's best to keep the loading screens gone, but as far as i could tell the title screen didn't have the ai-image-vibes the load screens did? i can't say for certain but i think that part specifically was well-liked

[crisp sparrow]

nah, they're waiting for b42 hype to die down a bit then they're going to release it to build up hype, we know how this works

[sterile karma]

The AI bit may be here nor there, i wont comment on that- nor is it important to the point, which is that when they removed those title / loading screens? They REMOVED the ability to easily set CUSTOM ANIMATED GIFS FOR TITLE / LOADING SCREENS ENTIRELY.

It had a full custom function coded into the game to play gifs in your screens which people could have swapped out for custom titles and movie files! Thats just Gone now and TIS didnt bother to even leave as much as the SHELL of that feature behind for modders to use???

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pooping-shitting-meme-competitive-gif-4785739159707582004

[stone echo]

oh, wasn't even aware of that, eesh

now how will my loading screen play the entirety of morbius compressed to an acceptable size 😔

[sterile karma]

we could have had the TLOU loading screen

or the entire spongebob movie in a compressed mp4

but now we have nothing, not even placeholders

they could have just deleted the art pictures / mp4's with a static set of black screens and an .mov of the old title screen

but nah, just, cut it entirely

wtflip man

[shy helm]

that is an interesting question to which we probably may not get an answer here

[plain moon]

yo this is good

[stone echo]

thanks, i think it'd be a huge upgrade compared to the one million right clicks method we have right now :)

like. what a lovely ui this is. surely this could not be improved in any way.

[north mica]

Zomboid core

[solid osprey]

We do have a food/cooking rework planned for future builds 😉

[cunning delta]

We should have a whole build to cooking related stuff

[gaunt imp]

build 49 trust

[remote lily]

build 49, my grandchildren will be playing. hopefully

[stone echo]

ooh, fantastic to hear! hopefully nutrition values get patched up alongside that :)

[spiral tinsel]

They could’ve used a compilation of all the little map previews they have in the town selection screen

Maybe it could preview life before the apocalypse

[glacial badger]

I hope nutrition values get patched up a little bit before that >.> (by "builds" i'm thinking b43 and beyond, i hope to god some numbers can get changed before then lol)

[gaunt imp]

that would actually be really cool

[next cargo]

When update

[wise junco]

When I feel like it

[strong wedge]

the date goes up to May 3 in 25 minutes (it’ll vary with your time zone)

[eternal field]

which year?

[strong wedge]

the year 4270

we’ll transition to 4280 very soon

[eternal field]

dear god how long have i slept

[coral oasis]

lol, why is Nails in French but the rest aren't?

that's how bad TIS is at translations ?

[fast dagger]

install mod manual gearbox for pull easy because torque

[limpid sail]

waiting for b42 mp day 136:

[coral oasis]

keep waiting it ain't gonna be here for a while

[twin thorn]

People are so "OMG AI made this! remove it!"
Meanwhile 90% of those people: uses AI to do 75% of everyday work at school/job/university/whatever

I may be wrong in the percentage, but the point stands: a majority of people nowadays use AI to do stuff for them that they then get rewarded for handing in as their own

Was it the case with Zomboid? I don't know. Were the loading screens cool? YES. So who cares who or what created them?

[twin thorn]

People complained the other way around - title screen is AI-made, the rest are "made by something or someone, we don't care"

[cedar tapir]

I mean, I agree with the likely hypocrisy, but I also agree with ai being avoided.

Was it ever confirmed if it was ai?

[twin thorn]

... and so because of the advanced image we are stuck with old art and no hope of getting anything new anytime soon

[twin thorn]

I'm 100% into avoiding AI, but one has to understand how to use AI to do something that can't really be done otherwise without spending many, many hours on it just to be like "oh! right! I missed 1 LETTER NOBODY MENTIONED ON THE INTERNET"

I don't think the art's creator was confirmed. It was only said that it's being "investigated" and that was the last thing I know about this subject.

[twin thorn]

RIP functionality I wasn't even aware existed at some point until now

Seems like TIS overreacting at this point

[cedar tapir]

Absolutely! It's a tricky balance at the moment considering how quick to react the media is on the subject.

I feel like the other thing for alot of stuff like this (like in regards to decisions made behind the scenes and also the questioning the reasons why certain decisions are made) is simply we dont know. I mean, that's really the case for alot of questions regarding production of a game/show/etc. The joys of jumping to conclusions on the internet

[twin thorn]

Like, I can understand removing the loading and title screens entirely, but removing the framework behind them? That's overkill and doesn't even have anything to do with "cleansing" AI work from the game

[twin thorn]

If only TIS held a general vote among the community on whether the new title/loading screen art is to stay or be gone forever 🥲 . Sadly, we're not devs so we can only wish

[fresh abyss]

It looks so good

[vernal topaz]

This is amazing

[humble onyx]

Speaking of the title and loading screens, has anyone made a mod which adds the images back in? I think I heard from someone that the images are still in the games code but are not being used.

[twin thorn]

The images are NOT - I repeat, NOT - in the game's files, and as was pointed out above, the relevant code was nuked.

A notable community member with the name of Unjammer/Alree did try collecting the screens, but I'm not sure if he succeeded in gathering them all

[glacial badger]

Man that comment was so old, also I don’t think you understood what the problem was XD I would hitch up a vehicle and it would slowly slide away on its own lmfao. Leave it for the night and it would be stuck on a fence across the street

[crimson light]

imagine: tempered glass

https://youtube.com/shorts/JhvOqAS0xS0?si=g_HrDVhwI9MQk8kg

[north mica]

i genuinely want to find and brutally kill every single person who complained like a butthurt baby over it.

I LIKED the new screens, FINALLY we had something new

but noooo, the world would end if they kept it in. So now we have fuck all

people need to learn to keep their mouth shut

[dense aspen]

im glad they got removed

ai art is poison

[twin thorn]

If people asked about it being AI instead of being all-in for "OMG AI ART", we might have still had them... But no...

[twin thorn]

Merely alleged AI art

Basically nothing about the loading screens pointed at them being AI-made

And the main menu art looked good regardless of who or what created it

[dense aspen]

for me the art looked so off

that accompanied by the inconsistent details akin to something only seen in ai art made me dislike it

[north mica]

the issue is how seemingly butthurt people were about it

if we all just inquired about it and maybe were a bit more civil they couldve given us a toggleable setting to let the loading screens stay ingame or something

unless theres a workshop mod that brings them back it's just completely fucked forever

[blazing sandal]

workshop mod that allows you to use an ai art load screen

lol

[sterile karma]

Everytime someone says B42 combat is difficult im just gonna whip out this picture

nothing beats the old konga line strat

its just slightly longer now

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-gif-24958674

[reef hill]

At the time of release there was such big backlash (to the point where it was dominating all chats+reddit TIS ended up flagging the word AI, which would get you timed out) I think most would have voted against

[glacial badger]

1. Fuck ai art
2. Even if they weren’t ai I didn’t really like them

Also, if they haven’t said explicitly that it’s not made with ai, it’s probably ai. It would be so easy to clear up lol

[ebon pivot]

Any AI pictures is just a collage of stolen art. And if a company is fine with not paying artists for their fair work then I'm totally chill with not paying for that company's products

[coral oasis]

the art was fine, the backlash was not

[ebon pivot]

If I'm not mistaken TIS said they hired a guy to draw it, but he screwed them ower and used AI to generate it

[glacial badger]

aw man that's depressing

[ebon pivot]

Doesn't matter if it looked fine or not. AI art is bad because it's using people's work without their consent. It's bad the same way as piracy is bad

[reef hill]

Kind of, they said they contracted him - and that they had worked with him before (he made Bob on the car back in the day) but they never publicly confirmed it to be AI

Either way pretty sad

[buoyant widget]

I do not think piracy is bad in absolute terms

[ebon pivot]

And propagating piracy while being a gamedev company is kinda ironic, ain't it?

[coral oasis]

I don't comment on the morality of using AI, for me that art was irrelevant, I was curious about other stuff like mechanics, content, etc

I didn't care much about it

[buoyant widget]

My work is probably stolen because of AI but since i'm not doing "art", i guess no one care

[coral oasis]

piracy is stealing

[reef hill]

!heli

[deep snow]

]

[reef hill]

[coral oasis]

error

[stone echo]

honestly the loading screens looked awful in my opinion- they were way too cartoonish for zomboid's tone and, whether they were ai or not, they had a really off-feeling sheen to them. the main menu screen looked fine but it's been a little while so i don't entirely remember it.

it's weird because that initial hospital one in st. peregrine they showed in one of the thursdoids still had that weird sheen, but it lacked the awful cartoony look of the three that actually made it into the game

[wise junco]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[strong wedge]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[cunning delta]

I liked the concepts like the one in the lore where they see the first zombie walking in West Point, but I do agree the style just felt off

[stone echo]

oh yeah conceptually, cool ideas for what the art pieces should be, but execution was just not it

[cunning delta]

it would be cool if we see them return with a slightly different style approach

[stone echo]

yeah, hire a new artist or something

[lucid sentinel]

What’s the best west to level masonry besides breaking down large rocks

From level 0

[cunning delta]

i think once you hit level 2 you can start making basic walls with it

[stone echo]

carve stone bricks

once you hit level 1 at least, until then it's basically just breaking down rocks and using pickaxes on rocks in the world

[humble onyx]

I do still wonder if it's still possible to customize the loading screen despite the code being nuked.

[cedar tapir]

I don't think I've seen this art somehow, does anyone have a link to it?

[cunning delta]

I have pictures; it got removed very quickly after release due to backlash for possible AI

heres the one I refered to earlier in the lore

and heres the other one I have

[eternal field]

i assume it was the easiest and quickest way to just remove the logic that shows the image as a hot fix until stuff has been cleared up

I would assume towards full release they might reintroduce the code, with either changed art work or a clearer idea whats up with that artwork

[untold latch]

AI or not, these didn't fit the aesthetic of the game one bit. They don't belong to the overall style of pz at all. That's the main issue with those images

[cunning delta]

yea I agree, they dont fit whatsoever, I really hope we get something similar inna better style sometime

[reef hill]

Should get Unconid to redo them

[limpid sail]

waiting for b42 mp day 137:

[limpid sail]

definetely AI

[untold latch]

I am not sure about that. And to me it's irrelevant. That art feels like a foreign object in the overall PZ style. That is what really matters (to me))

If it wasn't for Spiffo's and Fossoil logos, I would never be able to just look at the images and go
"Oh, yeah that is Project Zomboid".

[limpid sail]

ı agree

[north mica]

looks ai to you, doesnt really look ai to me, and that's enough to me. The decision to get rid of the loading screens shouldnt have been so definitive and one-sided, at least they couldve made it a toggleable setting which is turned off by default. Everybody ends up happy

i hope that once new (new new) loading screen art comes, it has the same visual style as the posters/promo pictures ingame

lowpoly characters, with some nice lighting to finish the looks

im not a fan of the old art

not exactly remarkable either

[sterile karma]

not in the way it used to be possible. No.

Loading screen has any and all logic missing from it, its now hardcoded to be black screen only

the main menu is now the same ancient png again instead of a movie file

[sterile karma]

( as if people can still tell at this point )

[old wasp]

All they had to do was go over with a textured brush to break up the shiny ai look.

Hopefully someone tells them to do it so we can have the new loading screens back.

[balmy loom]

Even tho they are releasing more crafting recipes, leveling in single player is still in a very weird spot

Has any dev confirmed, the focus of the b42 system is strictly multiplayer? because it seems that way

It feels more like "specialize in a certain thing, and the other things, some other player will specialize in and you two work together"

but for single player is more like "well, im not a blacksmith, im not leveling this shit in any way lol"

[nocturne marten]

as far remember they mention the fact that will be added a "affinity" system were a player will find very very difficult levelling all the skills, to push the specialization in mp and the use of npc when 43 will drop

[shy helm]

I'm gonna guess the affinity part will be a toggle in sandbox since not everyone enjoys MP

unless, of course, the NPCs will be smart enough to get shit done crafting wise...

[coral oasis]

in MP you will have an advantage to choose a proffesion and leveling those skills

in SP it's not necessary to level every skill depends mostly on what type of run you're doing

[shy helm]

well its not necessary to even level anything at all, but people want to

tbh I would easily see myself getting everything to max skill in SP as part of a mega long run

[coral oasis]

also take into account the time you usually survive, if it's not more than 1 month they aren't worth it

[coral oasis]

that's their choice and they should live with it

[shy helm]

if I could not survive longer than 1 month I probably would be very sad

I just have gotten bored around 4 months part in B41

[coral oasis]

most don't and they want to have everything from the start that's when they complain

[shy helm]

well that doesn't hold as an argument really, sandbox is there so you can edit the gameplay as you wish

no reason to not include toggling off affinity system

[coral oasis]

metalworking is a late game skill

it requires mats and tools and up until you get stuff runnig takes a while

[shy helm]

doesn't mean a single player run can't get that far

you have infinite time in a sandbox game, infinite time to learn all the skills

[coral oasis]

they just don't see it that way

most of the stuff added in 42 is.focusing on late game

[teal mortar]

Npcs can improve the game a ton and I can't wait

[solid osprey]

NPCs will be so smart they'll change sandbox settings for their own benefit.

[sinful ingot]

Can the NPC's please be smart enough to break free from their own programming and create a global robot revolution?

[twin wind]

when new oatch>

[agile light]

when its done

[twin wind]

😦

[twin thorn]

We might never get anything new tho... Considering that even just suspicion of the art being AI-made led to the community going crazy over it, I can't imagine devs would want to make another attempt at it anytime soon

[north mica]

if thats the case, then its a shame the devs arent more firm on their personal decisions

the community simply cannot dictate everything in development because otherwise it would be a whole lot of clusterfuck shit

[dense aspen]

oatch

[wise junco]

No patch

[wise junco]

https://tenor.com/view/taenyphobic-gif-21277894

[dense aspen]

[humble onyx]

If horses do get added in, then we'll have a true wild west game

[round knot]

still no new patch? Indie stone studios at gunpoint from the elite to not release a new patch

[coral oasis]

they cannot but their opinions and complaints are important for the devs

and when there is a huge backlash they cannot ignore that

[coral oasis]

Guessing, it's probably next week

or this week if you're in a different time zone

[coral oasis]

that will change the game dramatically like cars in b39

the gameplay loop to be more precise

!heli

[deep snow]

https://media.giphy.com/media/cAcua5OePApEZ8Flow/giphy.gif

[reef hill]

!rj

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705490390001778789/786347953622482995/52af9b71-b8b3-4af3-9c4b-d90fb931e8ad.gif

[coral oasis]

:)))))))))

that left RJ eye got its share of petting :))

up to that point when it's red and oozing

[dense iron]

!hana

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1079967390957305857/1130996865752645662/image-50.png

[wooden locust]

die? no. Dih? ye.

https://tenor.com/view/vrrt-gif-5770254458074826099

[spiral tinsel]

@solid osprey

[rancid karma]

Haven't checked in in a few months... how's the crafting today?

[reef hill]

I haven't done much with it lately... From what I have heard it is in mostly a good place, but there is still a few bottlenecks.

[lucid sentinel]

Got a simple forge and furnace set up finally

Nearly two months in. But it’s nice to feel like there’s some end game progression now

So far the worst part is not getting metalworking experience for making things in the forge

Furnace**

[humble onyx]

I would recommend using the xp shower mod, shows how much xp you get from crafting things.

Makes it alot easier

[empty knot]

did u get leg muscle strain after that much

[stone echo]

yknow, i noticed a ton of flower gardens around the map that all have this specific pattern to em- i wonder if the trans flag resemblance is intentional? be a cute touch if it is i think :) 🏳️‍⚧️

[coral oasis]

metalworking is still bottlenecked behind the punch or small chisel set, glassmaking needs more attention and love because there are only 2-3 items which are relevant to craft with that, carving is ok, tailoring the same, knapping could use some boost

pottery is ok-ish atm, welding same as glassmaking needs more love

this is for .7.0

[wooden locust]

Meh, maybe you are over thinking it.

[sterile karma]

Naw

[sterile karma]

I don't see it tbh :I

Looks like a normal stone bordered pink flower patch to me

[dire quest]

Seeing as though they crushed a lot of things in updates weeks apart I wonder what a month+ worth of stuff will come in 42.8

[twin thorn]

I'd say it has more of an alien creation look to it

[north mica]

its not that deep

🙏

[limpid sail]

waiting for b42 mp day 138:

[wind wigeon]

But also easter holidays within that time

[coral oasis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1311774499712274452/1317926995279089664/kZgmqy.gif

[north mica]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-waiting-still-waiting-gif-13052487

you'll probably wait another 138 tbh

[limpid sail]

probably

[gaunt imp]

Probably just pink flowers but hell yeah possible trans representation

[north mica]

honestly think its a coincidence

[shy helm]

can tell the patch being MIA brings people to wild topics

like me finally being past my GPU issues, just installed a new 5080, can't wait to test it one day with PZ

[gaunt imp]

I wanna be able to lay down in beds next patch

That’s the one and only thing I want

[shy helm]

I forgot to re-download the mod that allows that stuff, good reminder

[fossil ether]

Today I dreamed that the next update will have multiplayer... Maybe this is a sign?

[untold latch]

Have you checked which month was it in the dream? 😄

[fossil ether]

No🥹

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-on-the-back-dr-frasier-crane-freddy-crane-kelsey-grammer-frasier-gif-13605884780391799086

[gaunt imp]

July 9th trust

[kindred socket]

I dreamed I had a girlfriend

And neither of these have come true

[north mica]

i dreamed i finally got into a relationship

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-lier-trending-gif-6708574292361340617

[dense aspen]

[royal urchin]

B42 MP THIS MONTH I know it…

[grizzled pike]

Its definitely coming dont worry