42.7.0 Unstable Released

[stone echo]

armour shouldn't be a 100% strictly an upgrade, but the best armour you can make should generally be better than running around in a leather jacket and gloves, yknow? armour progression is a little weird with how little improvement there seems to really be between magazine armour and maxed-out plate armour

though honestly? i wouldn't mind some lighter, less movement-restricting armours like chainmail or the like- leather's kinda there right now but only covers a few parts

[limber pelican]

That's the one thing i kinda disliked about the new armors and such. I honestly just find myself running around covered magazines rather than metal armor.

[north mica]

the cons of armor should primarily be weight/mobility reduction/both

discomfort should be a very minor debuff for all armor pieces and should mainly come from your character being bloody/dirty imo

does not that sound better??

[lament lagoon]

They may provide the same defense against scratches and bite, but they surely not last for the same amount of time/attack. Not to mention magazine armor in a rain will automatically be broken.

[stone echo]

i mean, so what if they break from an attack or from the rain? they're just magazines and duct tape which are both dirt cheap and super easy to make. there should be better advantages to custom-built plate armour instead of just 'it lasts longer'

[lament lagoon]

Last a lot longer is already a good advantage

[stone echo]

not when magazine armour is insanely easy to replace because, as i said, it's literally just magazines and duct tape

vs plate armour which needs

• a high-level forge
• a supply of metal
• a lot of tools
• miscellaneous resources
• high metalworking and tailoring skill

[lament lagoon]

When a messy fight happens, it isn't like you can just walk out and replace your broken magazine armor with a new one

[stone echo]

it kinda is, though

magazines can be found everywhere and duct tape is in just about every car, storage closet, and basement

[lament lagoon]

Except tailoring skill I will say another things are wrong. I as a metalworking player even I don't make metal armor I can fulfill all those requirements easily

[stone echo]

i... don't know what you mean, that was a little word salad-y

[lament lagoon]

It's simple, if you never tried metalworking at all, all those requirements you mentioned are of course hard to fulfill

[stone echo]

ah! well yeah, that's kind of the point- i have personally done a full-metalworking-levels run and it was for the weapons, not the armour

it's just not worth all the investment for that high-level armour with how little of an upgrade it is over magazines; it might be worth making if you're metalworking anyways but i'd never level the skill just for armour

if i remember correctly, magazine armour weighs less, too

[lament lagoon]

Let's just say there are similar arguments like this. Like forging weapons is a waste of time when you can pick up branches and turn them into short bat

For me foraging weapons and armor is just fun

[stone echo]

no but see the difference is a forged sword generally performs better than a basic short bat would, right? vs armour where a forged set of armour is barely better than magazine armour

i do like the forging system, i just think there's not enough incentive for me to ever want to armour up in any circumstance

[lament lagoon]

Well maybe they should nerf other armors then

[stone echo]

honestly? yeah magazine armour could probably do with a nerf

what is it, like 80 bite 90 scratch or something?

yep it is, that's more than the bulletproof vest

[lament lagoon]

I will say, if there's one improvement I want to see for metal armor, I want a complete block of being dragged down

[stone echo]

maybe, though if you're surrounded by that many zombies anyways you're not doing great regardless

that could be a nice buff actually? the more total pieces of armour you wear, the more zombies are needed to perform a drag-down on you

gives an actual reason to wear leg armour even though zombies never attack legs outside of crawlers that don't matter

the more i think about it the more i like that idea actually- you wear light armour, say just gloves, vambraces, and a neck guard to protect against a surprise hit you didn't see coming, and you wear a full suit if you expect to be facing a horde- and since the main threat you expect to face with hordes is drag-down vs the random neck laceration of a stray zombie, you're incentivised to actually put on more armour than you normally would for big fights

okay hold on, let me write out this idea fully

• The default number of zombies required to perform a drag-down is 3.
• For every 2 pieces of worn limb/groin/neck armour worn, the required number is increased by 1.
• For every chestpiece/helmet worn, the required number is increased by 1.
• This does not apply to light armour- ie, magazine armour will not guard you against drag-down. Probably not leather either.
• With a full suit of armour, covering the entire body, you are protected against drag-down unless you are surrounded by 10 or more zombies. 10.5 if gloves count, though I'd imagine that still rounds down.

being surrounded by 10 zombies can still happen but you have to make some pretty critical mistakes to wind up in that position, in which case i think it's absolutely fair that you get the instakill drag-down

they'd probably have to do something about the stunlock zombie animations if that was actually going to matter though... like 5+ zombies attacking you at once and you're not going to be allowed to move anyways

[cunning gyro]

can we dried fruit ?

[stone echo]

not as far as i've found, no 😔

honestly i'm really looking forwards to when they add food preservation; i super enjoy stocking up for the winter and whatnot but it'd be nice to have non-freezer alternatives

more options for growing fruit would be good too; right now it's just strawberries i think? teeeechnically tomatoes and i think bell peppers are fruits as well but, yknow

ah no, watermelons as well

[wise junco]

Pemmican

Super easy to make and they can last up to 10 years irl if you store it somewhere cool

[stone echo]

yeah, pemmican is the obvious choice- on top of that there's jerky, dried fruits like you mentioned

i know you can jar meat too, albeit in a different way to the current jarred vegetables

even if i think the current 'jarred vegetables' are technically pickles, heh

honestly, can't you turn stuff into alcohol to preserve it too? fruit into wine and then it lasts longer

hmm... i wonder what a renewable way to get salt would be; that tends to be important in preservation

i'd love if there were some scavengable ways to preserve food too- food dehydrators or the like, though i'm not sure if consumer-sized dehydrators were around in the 90s

ah, jam would be a good preserving method!

[coral oasis]

can't dry out fruits now

you can build a plant drying rack and check more options there but I believe only vegetables and herbs are good to try out

[cunning delta]

does anyone else have floating curtains outside their base and maybe know why

[next cargo]

When New update

[oak totem]

Mapping bug or it happens when you add curtains?

[cunning delta]

I didn’t place any curtains I just walked outside my base recently and I see floating curtains

I can’t pick them up either

[oak totem]

new unmodded save? do you have repro steps?

[merry solar]

I had this once, it went away on it's own weirdly. No idea what did it, and save was modded so its of no use, but.. interesting.

[cunning delta]

what’s a repro step

[merry solar]

Reproduction

[cunning delta]

my save is completely vanilla all I have added was a moodle mod texture pack recently

[oak totem]

How can we replicate this bug, can you create a new save without any mods, even moodle mods and capture a clip with how-to steps

[cunning delta]

like make a new vanilla save and go to my base location?

[oak totem]

Well, I need to know how to get these bugged curtains, but in vanilla game, so you have to unsub from all mods.

[merry solar]

Point is, if you cant determine or recall what steps you took to cause the behaviour, the report is of little help

[cunning delta]

being subbed enables them?

[cunning delta]

I didn’t do anything I just walked outside recently and they’re floating there

[merry solar]

I felt the same way dont get me wrong. But that doesnt mean i didnt do something to cause it haha. Just no f*cking clue what

[cunning delta]

So I need to go to workshop unsub from all mods make a new run in debug and go to base? Sorry I’ve never done something like that so idk if that’s all

[merry solar]

Hmm, unless you and I just happened to be at the same place, that means its not some kind of map placement issue surely. Unfortunately i cant remember where the heck it happened

All you can do is go vanilla and keep playing and if it happens again try remember the last few things you did down to the smallest detail

Probs wouldnt hurt to go there though

[cunning delta]

ok I will try vanilla debug run and see if curtains are there

my base is the farmhouse right across the road from ekron

[merry solar]

Interesting, i think ive been there once and probably never based there so that hugely reduces the chances that we were in the same place experiencing this bug.

That tells us something i guess

[cunning delta]

would a moodle texture mod cause it? idk that seems kinda random

[merry solar]

Ive never used any

[cunning delta]

I got picture of base location

[oak totem]

We need coordinates

[cunning delta]

coordinates of my base?

[oak totem]

Yes, where you have bugged curtains

Screenshot would be helpful to know how it looks as well

[cunning delta]

(X: 1554, Y: 9945) I used b42 map site coords should be here

ill get screenshot one sec

its just floating there menacingly

there are lots of pink curtains inside the house upstairs and downstairs, idk if one duplicated or something maybe

should I report it in the bug report? i didnt want to without asking because im not sure if its reallly a bug

[wise junco]

Didn't know PZ already dropped the schizophrenia update

[sterile karma]

no that sounds fucking awful lmao

because youre dirty and bloody nearly all the time passively

yall cant appreciate a fairly balanced armor system

and it shows

i say hooray and praises sung to the PZ team on making Armor finally something that isnt the end-all be-all

[shy helm]

as long as it protects from lethal wounds in a game where you have permadeath

[sterile karma]

"oh no i now have to dress like this- !"

"instead of this!"

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

OH THE HUMANITYYYYYYY

[shy helm]

hey I am fine with the debuffs armor offers, but if it only offers debuffs for no protective gain

thankfully at least tincan armor does have great protection

[sterile karma]

wasnt there also the hidden bonus that armor like, attracts attacks

[shy helm]

dont think so

[sterile karma]

because i could definitely tell when i used to wear like, kneepads and elbow pads- they would consistently get damaged first before i would

[north mica]

the only reason people are 100 dirty and 100 bloody all the time is because there is not a lot of incentive to stay clean

armor is not balanced as it is currently, your character starts crying and pissing when youve got more than 2 minor armor pieces on you

armor should have a discomfort debuff, but nowhere as severe as right now

[sterile karma]

nah i disagree, i like the severity.

[north mica]

you can disagree

it doesnt change my opinion on it

[sterile karma]

maybe taking it down a notch for elbow and kneepads? yeah sure, im down. But i like it as is.

[north mica]

the pads are the least problematic

theyre the only pieces of gear i keep on 24/7

[sterile karma]

as it should be

the pads being the only thing you can consistently wear is the one item where it makes sense

everything else? ERRR punish.

[north mica]

i sure wonder how police officers or army troops didnt shoot themselves due to discomfort-related depression during the first 2 days of their job

[mortal dagger]

Its trying to be a realistic armor system, and in the context of the zombie apocalypse it works

Its not traditional game armor that just increases defense without any side effects, its a 'pros and negatives' situation

So yeah, when fighting zombies heavy armor is probably not worth it. PvP would be another story though

[sterile karma]

ah yes- the usual "but but but" of folks who never had to wear that kinda gear for longer than 10 minutes

It fucking sucks wearing that shit for hours

and im saying this out of personal experience

Which btw, doesnt negate the fact it sucks, cause it always sucks. You just get used to it sucking over time. Not like it wont suddenly make your back hurt less or the rash disappear

[north mica]

im not denying that it sucks. It however wont make you all sobby and depressed unless you already had a bad day/week to begin with. I would very much rather get additional mobility/pain (yes, something like soreness) debuffs than whatever the hell it is currently

that, or discomfort as a whole needs tweaks

[shy helm]

warped flow of time is a thing, you can realistically loot someones house in minutes real time, but in game it can take an hour or longer. Or walking to a neighbouring house can take an hour, yet in real life...

[broken maple]

If you make day length 2 hours it feels like you can do 5x more in a day. Me and two of my friends went on a loot run that would normally take the whole day but it only took 2-3 in-game hours

[kindred socket]

Armor should slow you down a lot

You aren't a fantasy character with 20 strength, you are a dork

At least I am

[candid orbit]

Was there ever a need for a fixed camera mode?

Current: Player camera follows the character and the mouse when aiming.

Feature: A toggle to fix the camera to a location, and not pan the camera until the toggle is disabled.

[stone echo]

but armour should be worth wearing if you intend to be in a big fight, no? like sure, maybe you should be discouraged from wearing armour everywhere, but if that system is in place then:

• give me a way to quickly remove/wear all armour because it is insanely annoying clicking each individual piece every time
• give me any reason to wear armour at all- and no, multiplayer doesn't count. multiplayer might be why you want the bulletproof armour, but metal armour is very clearly meant to be anti-zombie and this is first and foremost a singleplayer game
• also i will ask... is it fun having to constantly juggle armour? there's a reason most games don't have you do it, and it's player convenience- it gets stale really quick constantly changing in and out of armour

[frozen hinge]

i wear it for the looks most of the time

i just turn discomfort down a little

i usually put on the good armor when im going to clear a place that i want or something similar and wear the ones with less discomfort 24/7 but honestly most of the time i kind of just ignore the discomfort from armors lol

"deal with it"

[stone echo]

yeah, i also disable discomfort because it's an annoyance mechanic more than anything fun for me

i've tried playthroughs with it on and it's just not fun juggling like a dozen different individual armour pieces

[frozen hinge]

i just turn it down, im trying to find a sweet spot for me , i dont mind the discomfort considering some of the armor i have come across lol a lot is pretty op

[stone echo]

some of it's good but so much of it is just... pointless, yknow? some little bits of armour are usually worth having, but a full suit just never is

[shy helm]

plenty of real life clothing would simply not break from a human bite either...so a lot of clothing would just not end up in a bite wound on you. Would be funny to see actual experimentation on human bite strenght because after all, I imagine zeds do not really restrain their strenght.

[kindred socket]

Thats why leather is best

Although i can see chainmail which i think is in ?

[shy helm]

tbh most clothing in-game should be far more durable, but then we get the endless shitfest that is "how difficult PZ should be"

hell I could go out with my normal winter clothing and there's no way in hell any human could wound me with their teeth through it

[kindred socket]

But also remember these aren't humans, these are zombies

They have no regard for pain

[shy helm]

yeah they can bite without caring about ruining their mouth, but is it enough realistically

[kindred socket]

I think for the sake of the gameplay yes

[shy helm]

yeh, gotta have some actual threat from a single zed

[kindred socket]

Well not one, but many

Just one slip up

[shy helm]

would just prefer that I don't need a full platemail suit to guarantee protection

careful gameplay of course should be the best mitigation, but a random bite through thick clothing is meh

[frozen hinge]

adamantium teeth

[plain moon]

any bugs to look out for this patch

besides doors being weird this round a bout

[kindred socket]

I bit myself and I'm wearing a sweatshirt

I could still feel it

[craggy cobalt]

if you are walk-to-ing you cant use the F keybind to toggle a flashlight and i dont like that

[coral oasis]

apparently you need a bar half to craft a metalworking chisel but you need the chisel to cut the bar in two halves

[vast willow]

Guys what’s up with milk not being able to be put into tea is this normal and also is it the same with coffee

I swear in build 41 you was able to put milk into tea and coffee?

[wise junco]

The devs just want you to down that tea in all its bitter goodness

So no milk to mask the taste

[manic bridge]

Id prefer that one zombie given proper clothing is a joke, but one zombie near a horde is a death sentence. A zombie should be able under the right circumstances to slow you down for its friends to catch up but alone be more of an annoyance than a threat most time.

[sullen otter]

I approve of this

milk has no place anywhere near tea

[frozen hinge]

wat!?!

[stone echo]

so, is there a use to crafting iron into ingots rather than bars? almost all of the recipes seem to only work from bars and ingots don't seem to really be any more weight-efficient for storage or anything

[vast willow]

Coffee tho

[merry solar]

When you put it like that it sounds OP. But like, consider maybe that each time you're attacked it gets weaker and will eventually end up with holes. I think thatd be better than a pristine leather jacket being able to be immediately bitten through cause of the way the rng is tooled

[vast willow]

Liquids are in such a weird state rn I hope this isn’t intentional

[jagged light]

any mods that let you play the drumset?

[wooden locust]

Hell nah

Your opinion is invalid

[sterile karma]

i wonder

will they ever use the new projectile system maybe to improve throwing?

currently throwing items is so painfully clunky i never use thrown... anythings because of it

[mortal dagger]

Thats the idea, yeah

[round knot]

still no new patch? Games gone

[dense aspen]

just checked and the game is still there

[twin thorn]

Only the Days are Gone

[faint belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-17563483835665589874

[vast willow]

Nvm now just entirely tea and coffee cannot be made what the heck

Even loaded vanilla and spawned in teabags to make sure it wasn’t mod conflictions

The joy of unstable✨

[ancient scaffold]

Is wilderness survival less grindy with this update?

[shy helm]

this particular patch, easier, but not fully possible for all things

[solid osprey]

What specific mug are you trying to use?

[vast willow]

Regular Mug, no teacup or glass cups just the coffee mug

I’ve not tried making beverages in either besides the regular one

[sterile karma]

this but in PZ

B43, the only remainder of the bridge in west point / doe valley is just a beam

[solid osprey]

Ok, what are the steps? Do you have it full of water and then try to add coffee?

[ripe dagger]

Creepy. What's it from?

[sterile karma]

last of us part 2

[jagged light]

ive had a fractured shin for 12 days, even with a splint :(

[shy helm]

Slow healer and month healing time is 5/5

Every lumbering step makes you want to burn the world

[jagged light]

what is 5/5 ?

[shy helm]

5 out of 5, best rated experience of playing solo and having a leg fracture for a month

[jagged light]

JESUS

[shy helm]

That was b41 and me in LV mall

Thankfully I had killed the 2k zeds already who were inside so I was just looting

[vast willow]

I’ve tried every way I can think of honestly

Srry if I didn’t describe it better

I remember always putting water in the cup then creating beverage via context menu either coffee or tea but that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore did it get moved to the craft/cooking menu or smth

[solid osprey]

No, fill the mug with water then right click it

[vast willow]

That’s the context menu but it doesn’t appear as an option

If it helps I’m also in latest version Build 42.7.0 with no mods enabled so tbh it’s pretty confusing

[solid osprey]

Where is the water from?

[vast willow]

Tap/sink

From main water supply not plumbed rain collectors either

[solid osprey]

You should totally be able to make coffee or tea in that case

[vast willow]

ive even restarted the game to see if it was that and still nope

[wooden locust]

Why pipobombs are so useless? At the very least, make them knock zombies out and break their legs. Maybe even kill at point blank range.

[oak totem]

You can find comfrey to heal fractures faster, and when you train FA your wounds heal faster, like 2-3 days for bone fracture if you are lvl 10

[oak totem]

New unmodded save?

[vast willow]

yeah

latest build 42 version

[oak totem]

Can you create a new save just now and record a video with the issue?

[vast willow]

im not currently on pz but honestly i should have already clipped it when i was testing earlier

[vast willow]

ngl i dig that idea

[wooden locust]

Yeee

[vast willow]

propane bombs from extra bombs mod are the closest thing

more explosive stuff for engineer would be pretty cool tbh i hope we get more explosives like maybe handgrenades

[wooden locust]

Those are too op, i would say

[vast willow]

pipe bombs set stuff on fire dont they?

[wooden locust]

Maybe some breaching charges to break doors and walls

[wooden locust]

I think they do

[vast willow]

engineer dont need no sledgehammer boom!

[wooden locust]

https://tenor.com/view/madagscar-penguins-kaboom-gif-9833865

[vast willow]

blow up the gunstore in grand ohio mall straight through the wall

insane

[wooden locust]

And attract every one in 200 meters radius

Balance

[vast willow]

tbh i think hand grenades being found rarely in military camp would be good especially if it doesnt set stuff on fire

would be the most generally usable explosive

[wooden locust]

Could be

[vast willow]

it just feels strange having a military camp full of automatic weapons and ammo and there is seemingly no grenades or anything not even smoke grenades, i could understand there being no heavy weapons or grenade launchers etc but handgrenades?

did the handgrenade police come through and take everything before the louisville checkpoint got abandoned lol

having mods already add stuff like that is such a w, project zomboids modding community is genuinely the best

Off topic yapping

[merry solar]

They are powerful, but considering how much useful propane and stuff you're expending on it, it seems pretty fair. If you've gone to the trouble to gather up a horde of zombies to use it on.. done all the prep and everything has gone to plan, you deserve it.

[twin thorn]

Technically every soldier should have 1 or 2 of these... Or if not, there should be plenty in storage crates (maybe a special "explosives crate")

[twin thorn]

Yeah, it does feel strange to have so many auto weapons in 1993, back when the US military was stuck with semi-auto versions of the M16

On that note, I still wonder why the game's set in 1993 Kentucky to begin with

[sterile karma]

Throwables generally need a ... Complete rework dare I say

So I think the answer to your question is: ancient code

[wooden locust]

It's crazy how Indie Stone revamps so much in build 42 but not this...

Although, i will not complain rn

Stuff that we are getting is peak

[sterile karma]

Probably just overlooked

[wooden locust]

Probably

[sterile karma]

I imagine it's somewhere behind the rung of priorities that bows are

[north mica]

if it wasnt obvious they have a priority list for what is to be worked on

and there is a LOT, clearly

throwables, fire, medical system, yadda yadda

but for now, the priority is to expand on the crafting

the game needs it, i approve

[wooden locust]

Yes, but they kinda do everything

Expansion and revamp of an existing map

Traits

Graphics

Lore

[north mica]

some things are bound to be worked on in tandem

as players we know very little of their actual development processes

not really any use thinking too much about it

[wooden locust]

[plain moon]

did they ever fix the loot in march ridge apartments?

[humble onyx]

Bet the devs are cooking up something big (No, not the mp stable release), bet it's more breakable tall fences or working devices

[plain moon]

i gotchu

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3392683871

[humble onyx]

Uhh... I meant more like official development and not from a mod, but whatever.

[plain moon]

😭

ok

[wooden locust]

Aren't tall fences already gotten breakable?

[humble onyx]

No it's only the tall chain link fences for now.

[wooden locust]

Holdup, haven't 42.7 added this?

[humble onyx]

Never saw anything about new breakable fences

[twin thorn]

Zombies don't even gather on those fences, so can't be from zombie-induced damage

Whether the damage itself is official or not - I don't know

[north mica]

chainlink fences only

[wooden locust]

They do when they hear sound or see player jumping over

[wooden locust]

Bruh, you saw the picture.

[nocturne marten]

with th 42.7 also the wooden fences can be break

[north mica]

https://tenor.com/view/my-reaction-to-that-information-rep-invil-jad-gif-25628048

[round knot]

MP next week I'm calling it

[compact pendant]

You're calling the wrong number then

[faint belfry]

Oooh so it's tomorrow? ||/s||

[compact pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/window-ignored-bye-roll-up-car-window-gif-5065354

[faint belfry]

Lmao

[round knot]

This is how you get infomation from them

[coral oasis]

the mistery behind every nasko post / comment is always astonishing

[sterile karma]

i reckon its bows.

they probably need a good bit what with animation work and whatnot...

even just the groundwork will take alot i imagine

although its probably just wishful thinking on my part

[wooden locust]

Bruh

[faint belfry]

Hey now I put that /s in there for a reason

[dense aspen]

[vast willow]

working devices?

[humble onyx]

Like saw cutters, drink machines, water pump generators, like in one of the teaser videos.

[vast willow]

ahh similar to functional appliances

like coffee machines and stuff?

[humble onyx]

I mean, yeah

[vast willow]

damn thats cool i hope they add that to vanilla

having to use a mod to use a coffee machine and other stuff has grown old

[coral oasis]

the coffee machine has it's own UI now

[vast willow]

damn wth

[coral oasis]

I think he is talking about machines in general

[vast willow]

yeah

like table saws n stuff

they mentioned

[coral oasis]

yes those

[vast willow]

imagine solar panels

[coral oasis]

they will be added at some point I believe

not the solar panel, you need a mod for that

[vast willow]

there is no solar panels in 1993?

[coral oasis]

no mentions of solar panels in blogs or vids

[vast willow]

dang tbh i wouldnt care for solar panels if u can get water pumps

for easy plumbing of water

would be fire

well it would be water but yk

[coral oasis]

there were solar panels back then, but it was very uncommon for people to have them like nowadays

[vast willow]

does make sense for them to not rlly be around

u right

[coral oasis]

there is a mod to add them

[vast willow]

its b41 tho right

[coral oasis]

42 also

[vast willow]

dang i didnt there was a build 42 solar panel mod

[coral oasis]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2969478819&searchtext=Immersive+Solar+Arr

[vast willow]

there is no water pump mods?

water trailers n stuff mods not updated?

[coral oasis]

don't know

[vast willow]

autotsar has working generator trailer so ill probs have to spawn stuff in and check

it seems to have bugs tho like generator going into ground

[latent tulip]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3413150945 I think this mod added that?

[frozen hinge]

i command you guys show me your trailers filled with cow milk

demand lol*

[ripe dagger]

Naw, tall wood fences breaking was added in 42.7

Just not present in the patch notes

[wooden locust]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-neutron-cope-jimmy-neutron-cope-cope-lol-cope-and-seethe-gif-25698067

[plain moon]

as far as walls this only covers fences when driving into them

for this mod

but doesnt affect walls

[coral oasis]

that will be added by the devs, maybe with the plumbing rework

[empty knot]

rip nowhere is safe now that the walls become breakable

[wooden locust]

Just be quiet dawg

[empty knot]

yeah atleast they added stealth

[wooden locust]

Low fences actually hiding player is so peak

Probably my favorite thing

[coral oasis]

we gettin some patch juice today?

[wooden locust]

Impatient ahh

[coral oasis]

"impatient" I believe is the correct term

It sounds like there's an N there but it's actually not

and yes, because I haven't touched it seriously since 42.2.0

[wooden locust]

Ah yes

Sorry

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-major-spelling-mistake-spelling-mistake-gif-25140477

[dense aspen]

[ancient scaffold]

[cunning delta]

[dense aspen]

[lavish shore]

[strong wedge]

[plain moon]

[reef hill]

[coral oasis]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[cunning delta]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[sterile karma]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[heavy meteor]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[latent tulip]

My God you're dancing him to death

[faint belfry]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[plain moon]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[twin thorn]

!nodance

[remote lily]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[pine holly]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[wooden locust]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[coral oasis]

Spiffo lost all weight today, now has severe muscle strain

[twin thorn]

No !dance

Yaaay, no dance

[frozen hinge]

lol

[coral oasis]

bot doesn't read the command if other words / punctations are typed before 🙂

[lavish shore]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[strong wedge]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[leaden whale]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[plain moon]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[frozen hinge]

[leaden whale]

[reef hill]

!heli

[deep snow]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ep78UZy5FVbfN6mhCU/giphy.gif

[buoyant widget]

today is the day ?

[reef hill]

I miss thursdoids

[ripe dagger]

Yup!

Multiplayer AND NPCs being released in today's build, build 42.71

[buoyant widget]

I knew it

[remote lily]

it came to me in a dream. raccoons are officially the first raider NPC faction

they'll turn your trash bins upside down

[frozen hinge]

would be nice for pests to become well pests lol

i ahve raccoons that come to my house and eat my birdseed and cat food i lay out for the stray and its funny listening to them argue with one another

[lavish shore]

That would be sick

I wouldn’t mind raccoons scattering items out of trash cans tbh

[frozen hinge]

yah

[wooden locust]

!despair

Awwww

[coral oasis]

you think after all this dancing, a patch will drop just like rain, but alas, only the rain had come

[coral oasis]

new command for the kids to spam

[frozen hinge]

lmao yeah

the spiffo-patch rain dance

[coral oasis]

me too and not for the dev feature updates

it was nice to hear from them

they talk plenty in patch notes, but that's technical stuff

[lucid anchor]

hey is there still a max limit of 100kg or did they lift it?

[coral oasis]

dude it's literally pouring now outside with thunder and all that

[frozen hinge]

funny that lol its like cloudy n stuff here too

[reef hill]

yeee 🙂

[coral oasis]

probably gonna do one when mp will be out

[strong wedge]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[strong wedge]

[coral oasis]

[heavy meteor]

Let me just....

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[lavish shore]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[remote lily]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[cunning delta]

!heli

[deep snow]

https://media.giphy.com/media/cAcua5OePApEZ8Flow/giphy.gif

[wooden locust]

!heli

[deep snow]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3Wv85HIlriBJT1ceJT/giphy.gif

[wooden locust]

[royal urchin]

havent been in the loop for some time have they mentioned anything about controller support for shooting yet?

[frozen hinge]

lol havent seen that one

whers the weierd monkey one

[stone echo]

had a thought that i haven't tested yet- some of the thursdoids mentioned an ability to make indestructible stone/brick walls, right? is that present in b42? i've not gotten around to making the masonry structures yet due to the sheer quantity of wood around

[glacial badger]

i sure hope the brick and stone walls are indestructable.. or close to it. otherwise that's a lot of effort for not much imo

[shy helm]

definitely, thats one piece of realism I'd really really prefer to have without increasing all player wall construction HP

[coral oasis]

they say they keep out the horde in their description

so I guess they can't be destroyed

[glacial badger]

okay but.... what does that mean. what size is a horde

[coral oasis]

there has to be a type of wall.they can't destroy

[coral oasis]

they don't attack it

[glacial badger]

that's good news

[coral oasis]

well last patch they always pathfind away around the wall when they were after me

[glacial badger]

i would hate for stone and brick walls to be the same as wooden ones.... where a single zombie can smash through it with it's skull in a matter of hours

[shy helm]

masonry is an instant success

[coral oasis]

makes no sense to be the same as.wooden.ones

[glacial badger]

a lot of things in zomboid make no sense, that doesn't stop it from happening

[coral oasis]

why add them in to begin with

those things make no sense today cauz of missing features

no one would use them if zombies can destroy them easily

[fossil ether]

Do I have zombie corpses frozen in such poses?

[shy helm]

window crawler corpses be funny

[humble onyx]

wasn't this already posted here a day or 2 ago?

getting weird deja vu vibes

[fossil ether]

I didn't follow the chat so I can't say.

[heady coral]

Stable build this or next week? we got chance yet?

[shy helm]

no chance

missing major features

[shy helm]

major features including bows and associated skills, primitive food preservation, industrial machines and piping rework

[heady coral]

I dont think i have never heard of bows or piping any kind of? Primitive food preservation is kinda in the game already and idk what is industrial machines? Where they say about these

[shy helm]

then you didn't read the thursdoids for a year or two, also primitive food preservation is not in game, pickling veggies is not it

unfortunately I don't have the exact article to link atm since they kept coming for a long while since B42 unstable was waited

[heady coral]

Well idk where they say this exact stuffs are coming before stable build but if you look at 2024 post where they have listed unstable plans.. All plans for launch is completed. Even some for Later plans is completed. MP some proffs stuff are only ones left on the list.

[shy helm]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_42 check out confirmed features

I mean I assume stable means "complete" build 42, any addition after that is just minor changes as far as I remember from build 41

MP comes before stable, that was said

perhaps you'll get a red name commenting about this at some point if they have a definitive answer

[ancient scaffold]

Chat am I cooked?

Heck

[teal mortar]

I precognition that there will be a patch today nyohoho

[buoyant widget]

Yep

[dense aspen]

on a wednesday?

[ancient scaffold]

in this economy?

[latent tulip]

On April 23?

[teal mortar]

Guys

[coral oasis]

masonry is now mining you can level it up just by pickaxing the ores

it's still bugged in the way that even if you have a pickaxe in inventory it will use a ball-peen hammer, but if you have only the hammer it won't work

[latent tulip]

Must be a sign

[spiral hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-2943331267821007877

https://tenor.com/view/fantastic-frontier-roblox-update-when-gif-2796213922782174267

[remote lily]

When it's done™️.

Part of me wishes multiplayer was out already, but it's gonna be worth the wait. Hopefully after every b42 feature gets play-tested, polished, and reintroduced.

[coral oasis]

so

the brick and stone walls can be destroyed by zombies

wayyyy tooo easy

basic they are now useless

what's the point game devs for those descriptions regarding walls' usage ?

[shy helm]

Imma be over-optimistic and guess "feature not tuned or finished", but am hoping for at least some sandbox settings at very least to make stone/brick constructions invulnerable to zombie damage

[wooden locust]

Naaaaah

[latent tulip]

Oh it gonna be really bad when it comes out. Bugs they fixed in single player will be there in MP

But it won't break single player as much I think

[remote lily]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/956389279972606032.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[latent tulip]

Gotta keep your hope low >:)

I'm actually curious what would happen if i pick up a chicken while my other friend try to pick it up

Will that cause another chicken ram bomb?

[remote lily]

maybe they'll get two halves of one chicken

[latent tulip]

it gonna be that chicken that survived without a head

[strong wedge]

you’ll mess up the space-time-chicken continuum. A portal will open up and a bunch of chickens from other games will start pouring out

[frozen hinge]

where , can you post pic?

oh gosh that was way up there lol

[stone echo]

really, i'd love a sandbox setting that disallows zombies attacking player-built walls and nothing else- fences, doors, windows, all fair game but lets walls follow the same rules as prebuilt ones

[wind wigeon]

As far as I remember there is a setting for preventing Zombies to deal damage to player constructions

[stone echo]

i'm aware, what i'm saying should be present is a setting that allows them to attack doors and windows but not walls

same rules as prebuilt houses

[limber pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980472540667465771/1364700799866900481/attachment.gif?ex=680aa029&is=68094ea9&hm=a4754506a6303e0feeb03988b2233b989aca72cd53cb4ada07d625dc43693f27&

[glacial badger]

all i want is for wooden walls to follow the same rules as wooden fences, meaning you'd need a certian number of zombies banging on it before it starts taking damage

[humble onyx]

Think either machines are being worked for 42.8.0 or bows and food preservation?

[coral oasis]

if you look at the description regarding the stone wall it's meant to keep the horde out

keeps me from shouting at them on their socials tbh

so sad, they basically made them irrelevant now that zombies can destroy them, I can agree with the wired metal ones, but brick and stone walls should be indestructible given the skill and amount of mats they require

[stone echo]

i'm pretty sure that's just the default description for all walls, isn't it?

[coral oasis]

no no, only the stone ones

and what's the point to build them anyway when you can stick to the usual wooden ones

[stone echo]

oh huh you're right, i swear i remember seeing the phrase keeps out the horde for something or other in b41

[coral oasis]

from that wording one can presume that they will be the ultimate base barricades that no horde can destroy

[stone echo]

also yeah, as much as i conceptually like welding it's comedically worthless beyond like level 2 due to the buildables all being bad and insanely expensive to produce, xp gain being super slow, and the weapons being underwhelming as well as too high-level skill for what's meant to be 'worth blacksmithing'

mainly the buildables relevant here

[coral oasis]

apparently zombie strength is god-like

[stone echo]

but at least masonry bricks are easier to mass produce than metal

[coral oasis]

yes but now they are irrelevant

why anyone would use that feature

useless if it can be destroyed

after grinding the skill and looting the mats you end up dead cauz they are worthless now and zombies will destroy them

[stone echo]

really, i said it earlier and i stand by it- zombies should only be able to break through doors and windows; yes you can block off areas that you can still enter by climbing over the walls, but we've already got sheet ropes and stair removal so it's not that absurd

maybe low-level carpentry walls too, i suppose

[coral oasis]

I was wrong, I went by the ideea of that description

and assumed they were indestructible

[stone echo]

i do like what they've been doing with the tall fences- zombies can't damage them at all until there's a few dozen of them, right? i think that's a good balance between 'a single zombie won't singlehandedly destroy your home' and 'a horde of zombies is a threat you can't just jump a wall to escape forever' and i'd love to see them implement that with other buildables/barricades as well

also maybe fix the anxiety stacking from multiple zombies bonking, heh

[coral oasis]

I hope, I think it's tied to that fence multiplier but the value can't be 0,00 its minimum is 0,01 so that means that the fence will take some damage, minimal but still

and this can't be the case for the brick and stone ones.....please TIS it just can't....

[violet nova]

In the thursdoid Cellar door-doid they talk about a type of wall "that zombies do not simply attempt to walk through and bash their heads on until they fall over."

So maybe before the stable release they will change it.

[coral oasis]

let's hope so bc they are simply irrelevant now if they can be destroyed, too much time and effort to get brick and stone walls up only to see them go down when zombies smash them

[coral oasis]

bad news, start the hate, they can be destroyed and very easy from what I've tested recently with debug and masonry 10

[glacial badger]

-_-

[coral oasis]

yep, same feeling here

I hope they will balance this out

[faint belfry]

I like the "barricades hurt zombies" mod for this type of thing

[coral oasis]

I have it and it's very nice but I'm still hoping it's an error or bug or bad design that will be balanced

[reef hill]

When you are looking at kitten space academy dev updates and you see zomboid panic moodles

fellow space nerds

[sterile karma]

Honestly? I don't think the "into the Alexandria years" goal is complete until you have Archery / Crossbows per vanilla Integration

Because without those, well how are you going to hunt a few rough years into the apocalypse with ammo just... Used up?

[wise junco]

You'd be surprised how much overlap there is between KSP, KSA, PZ, and Rimworld in terms of playerbase

Honorable mention to Starsector as well

[reef hill]

I am a lover of all of these 🙂

never tried starsector though

[empty knot]

which basement is this?

also wonder how did u get chased by that many lol

[wooden locust]

https://youtu.be/tdsN2rmt_mo?si=TkbPpA-oV3FilKlr

https://youtu.be/vrupQn-iEuM?si=6PZXT8U1uflD5Mn6

Although

I think the new "medium" part lost something compared to the old one

[wind wigeon]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[heavy meteor]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[next cargo]

When update

[reef hill]

!rj

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705490390001778789/786347953622482995/52af9b71-b8b3-4af3-9c4b-d90fb931e8ad.gif

[reef hill]

rj is a good boy

[oak totem]

no

[plain moon]

Based

[coral oasis]

I like that gif witj rj, I like how he's petted on the left eye and glasses

[reef hill]

🤣

[coral oasis]

:))

[coral oasis]

updating the hell out of those internal builds are we? the boys sweating and coding there

[reef hill]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26024704

[coral oasis]

yeah seems something like that 😂

[round knot]

.8 will hit tonight, they're just letting everyone take a final look so all the teams are happy with the build

[ancient scaffold]

if you go to https://b42map.com/ it's this seemingly random building at grid 16,24 chunk 513,790. It has a long spooky basement below leading somewhere, I never got to find out and don't want to look it up to avoid spoilers 🥲

the building is well barricaded which caught my attention as I was driving by (my base was not far north of there)

[sterile karma]

It leads to ||wouldn't you like to know||

[ancient scaffold]

[coral oasis]

Billy you seem to have a prophetic aura, let's hope it matches up to expectations :p

[round knot]

Anyone's a prophet when you guess enough

[fossil ether]

Tell me how the "zombie population affects loot" parameter works. As I understand it, there will be more loot in places where there are a lot of zombies or vice versa, where there are a lot of zombies, more loot will appear

[shy helm]

the latter probably, assuming the zeds spawned there, not wandered at some point of the game via migration

so population heat map based loot generation

[coral oasis]

the sandbox multiplier implies that loot is tied to the number of zombies per cell, if that sandbox setting is set to 0 it won't affect anything, loot will spawn regardless of zombie pop

[solid osprey]

Nope.

[round knot]

You can never get a yes out of a PZ dev, but you can definitely get a no

[ancient scaffold]

A no is always a yes somewhere in the world at any given time

[spiral hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/maverick-side-eye-side-eye-meme-girl-please-are-you-fr-gif-13583102730873324673

[sinful ingot]

Statistically a hell of a lot more things don't happen than do happen

Rule of the universe

[round knot]

Statistically, 1 answer is better than 0

[sinful ingot]

Statistically you got 1, no

[wise junco]

According to physics, starting from some specific initial state, any given state that is allowed by the fundamental laws will be reached given an ample finite time

So your statistics is wrong

[sinful ingot]

According to physics average energy density will, over a cosmically short amount of time, be crippled so that in time all reactions and changes of state will end

If we had infinity, yes, there would be a case or infinite cases of a PZ dev saying yes, but the laws of physics as we understand them tell us no thing is truly infinite

[wise junco]

There are more billions between now and heat death than between the big bang till now so I'd wager there will be more combinations of yes than no

[sinful ingot]

Hard disagree. If you check the universe for a PZ dev saying "yes" every second until the heat death of the universe, logic says you'll get an overwhelmingly larger amount of "no" than "yes"

Statistically monkeys on a typewriter wouldn't come up with the works of Shakespeare given till the end of the universe

A habitable planet, life on that planet, technologically advanced species, videogames, a game called "PZ", and a developer of that game saying "yes" is unrealistic given a liberal 100 trillion years I feel

[glacial badger]

🤓

I kid, this stuff is fascinating. But it’s hilarious that it’s being discussed here XD

[coral oasis]

we down to physics now? what's B0 in an electromagnetic field?

[remote lily]

which one do you mean? the direction or the magnetude of the field?

both?

[coral oasis]

the direction

[remote lily]

i cant remember, must've slept during that part in class

[coral oasis]

strength of a field is measured in Gauss or Tesla

aka magnitude

Earth's magnetic field is expressed in Gauss while MRI magnetic fields are expressed in Tesla

[shy helm]

No patch still even its been over 2 weeks since last one?? Yep, bows and MP incoming.

Somethin' big is a-brewing

[coral oasis]

Filcher is messing with you, just like I would if I was in his place 😉

[shy helm]

We do not deal with reality here

We ravenously wait

[ancient scaffold]

mp, bows, horses, dogs, machinery and car upgrades incoming 💯, perhaps even NPCs if the devs stop being lazy

[shy helm]

full release of PZ with all the features ever promised or seen in dreams

[coral oasis]

lazy is something from the past

I dont think they are lazy

not now not since the team grew

[ancient scaffold]

finally going to go past early access

[coral oasis]

you should have been around for 41 unstable

it was 2 years of waiting

[latent tulip]

They probably post a new patch on the 13th or something

[ancient scaffold]

I'm just joking btw

[coral oasis]

the pace of these patches is amazing if you think of 41's beta

[ancient scaffold]

guess I'm lucky I started playing after 41 stable

[coral oasis]

so I am glad they are no longer a handful of devs and have grown into a nice studio

[latent tulip]

I would be completely fine if we only got patches each month.

[coral oasis]

I first made contact with zomboid in b39.....

no vehicles there, it was painful

[shy helm]

year 2017, no idea what build was there

[coral oasis]

and those graphics.....the 2D survivors and zombies, a real indie feeling like I was gonna press jump and Mario jumps over the fence

[latent tulip]

I remember when cars came in that was probably when it first pop up on my recommend

But i never got the game until multiplayer came out in beta

[latent tulip]

Didn't they add cars in b39

[coral oasis]

yes but not in first iteration

[latent tulip]

I see i see :3 how long did b41 stayed in beta?

I don't remember but it doesn't seem that long

[coral oasis]

2 mfking years...

it was long

and saves broke etc new save almost everytime it was bad

glad that's over

and very glad it's not the same for 42

[latent tulip]

2 years? Was it in the unstable branch that long?

It just doesn't seem that long

[sullen otter]

I feel like this time around it will be much, much shorter. I think we'll get the last version of stable 42 by the end of 2025

most of the stuff seem to be already there. just, machinery, bows, some more expansion to crafting. that's it, I think

[round knot]

Have to remember b41 was a complete and utter overhaul, like pretty much the game from the ground up, that's why it was in unstable for 2 years

B42 is more addition based, rather than reworking and rebuilding

[vast willow]

will there be water pumps in .8? or is that stuff coming later towards B42 full release

[vast willow]

fr ppl act like it isnt majorly time consuming and expensive to run a game studio and make a game like pz thankful to TIS for everything they have done and i hope i am still around to see the future of things lol

[round knot]

When were water pumps mentioned? If you're talking about the mechanical ones then it'll come with the rest of the machinery, which will either come tomorrow or any time after that

[vast willow]

Idk I heard someone mention it further up and tbh it would make sense if they added stuff like that, and I mean powered water pumps for pumping water from a main water source like a lake or pool etc to a building

Stuff would be perfect especially if they make it rare like generators

Finally no more using rain collectors for late game

[round knot]

If something like that was coming, it'd be with machinery, and it'd be a hell of a lot more rare than generators

[vast willow]

I wouldn’t mind the rarity

Forcing the player to look for stuff is such a project zomboid thing

It HAS to be like that

[round knot]

Looking at the buildings, it won't be a thing you apply to your own base, but a place you find with it already installed, and you have to repair and upkeep

[vast willow]

I could see there being spots in places like the water treatment plant where it’s easier to get water pumps etc

Plumbing stuff

Making the player go to the plant when usually they would never visit there would be good

[round knot]

For example the fuel station in echo creek has a boiler and whatnot, but not all buildings do, so if you want off the grid basing, you'll have to base up in the building with the facilities for that, not bring the facilities to a building of your choice

[vast willow]

Kinda makes me wanna try making a base in the water treatment plant if they do add water pumps and stuff it would be perfect

[vast willow]

Yeah echo creek isn’t too far from the huge lake?

I’ve never actually checked how far

[round knot]

I'm not talking about water pumping specifically

What I'm saying is we probably won't be able to bring the machinery to our base like in the past with generators, but have to make arrangements around machinery if we want to use it, as compromise

[vast willow]

Not rlly got much chance to visit echo creek besides guns unlimited

[round knot]

Echo creek fuel station was just an example of an appearingly off the grid building

Saying if we want our own boiler etc, we will have to go to it, not have the boiler come to us

[vast willow]

Never been there

What’s it look like

[round knot]

Basement with boiler and what looks like a small pump in it

Ground floor is fuel station with auto shop and small cafe, top floor is a surprisingly nice house

[coral oasis]

this can be done using the engineering / electrical skill and build your own water pump from metal you can find / forge / weld

there is a mod in b41 for water pumps and it's realistic

in b41 the old metalworking is used iirc

[vast willow]

yeah sadly i dont play build 41 anymore

i pretty much just play 42 atm

[royal urchin]

B42 multiplayer will be out tomorrow for SURE

[wooden locust]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-harder-cope-sir-cope-sir-american-psycho-gif-26276799

[bitter hornet]

fraud tommrrow for sure

[meager cliff]

Dog sipping himself

[candid orbit]

Any reason why it is better to stay on an older Build 42 version somehow?

Because I see all recent PZ videos show their builds are older than 42.7.0

[coral oasis]

there isn't any reason, apart from doing a new save every new patch

[ancient scaffold]

My dad works with the indie stone and he said there is an update today, and anyone who disagrees will be banned from playing the game. It's just the rules.

[wooden locust]

https://tenor.com/view/tell-me-lies-gif-7285961314818952073

[marble lynx]

how i can use it? its not interactive

are there mods that fix this?

[coral oasis]

right-click on it

any workstation can be used using right-click to bring up the UI

[sterile karma]

archery this Thursday guys I swear it's gonna happen I swear please be true please be true please be true

[wise junco]

https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609

B42 got my boys acting insane

[glacial badger]

We’re just a bunch of cope goblins

Look I’m just really excited and looking forward to bows and more ability to start game, walk into wilderness and be able to reasonably craft with relying on foraging to get the essentials

[craggy cobalt]

if i host a game and someone joins. and this game is not dedicated. would TIS call that a save, a game, or a server

[oak totem]

coop session if you are using Host option

[gaunt imp]

On everyone’s soul except for mine we getting multiplayer tomorrow

[heavy meteor]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[wind wigeon]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[heavy meteor]

You...

[remote lily]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[wooden locust]

https://tenor.com/view/today-we-cope-breaking-bad-walter-white-today-we-cook-gif-7378752404704532346

[strong wedge]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[heavy meteor]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[sterile karma]

https://tenor.com/view/coping-harder-coping-harder-cope-harder-cope-more-gif-22767890

i cant keep coping bros

[wooden locust]

And you shouldn't

Embrace the time it takes for an update to release

[plain moon]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[toxic current]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[ancient scaffold]

!summon 42.8

:((

[deep snow]

https://media.giphy.com/media/55itGuoAJiZEEen9gg/giphy.gif

[vast willow]

Wdym it’s not interactive I use the forge and it works?

There’s actually two

If I recall correctly there is only 2 things that don’t work in that workshop and that’s two machining tools

I’ll go check

Any reason to go to there it’s such a cool place

[ancient scaffold]

You think we'll get these fancy interfaces in 42.8? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L4Ib51XGvk

[sterile karma]

42.8 isn't real

, _ ,

Stop asking then it will materialise

The moment noones looking- bam

[coral oasis]

maybe, given the fact that most workstations don't have any animations or sfx they could refine even more these UIs

after all they said UIs are still wip

[solid osprey]

No, feedback wasn't great about those

[ancient scaffold]

but they look great 🥲. I would love that personally

[coral oasis]

sad to hear, they look way better than the current UIs

[ancient scaffold]

I hope you haven't given up on the idea completely

[sterile karma]

what i wish for is that they finally rectify the greatest of all blunders:

You cant wrap baseball bats in barbed wire

unplayable

https://tenor.com/view/neggie-negan-throwing-bat-negan-throwing-lucille-lucille-dead-city-gif-6519880071738993387

[sterile karma]

ill be generally looking forward to mods that make more with the scrapweapon system

feels halfbaked still with how much stuff is either garbage, needs way too high skill levels or is just outright missing for... whatever reason, but who knows how itll be come the full 42

[stone echo]

ooh, are we making fun of welding again? shoutout to needing welding 8 which is way harder to level than metalworking for a scrap metal sword that is so, so much worse than any metalworking sword and also you can forge the scrap swords with metalworking anyways and at lower levels

[ebon pivot]

Hey, TIS, can we get ourselves a sandbox option for virus to have a airborne form? Because having so much airway protection gear like medical masks/bandanas/respirators/crafted gas mask/ actual gasmask/scuba and all sorts of face covering clothes ONLY to protect us from bad smell and our own stupidity (indoors gens and campfires) is quite a overkill

[ebon pivot]

So while being in close proximity to zombies or corpses without protection we'll get a chance to get infected

[heavy meteor]

The virus is airborne, you are just not affected by it.

[coral oasis]

Brings me back to that Susceptible mod

[wheat oar]

Peak mod

[wise junco]

More like there's 2 strains and you're immune to the airborne strain

[heavy meteor]

Ye

[sterile karma]

I sure love arbitrarily needing Carving 7 just to make a shitty bat

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-wow-wow-starts-clapping-gif-23651813

Especially when making a long handle and stuffing some nails on that needs 5 less levels in carving and gives me an equally strong weapon

[plain moon]

You will carve 5000 spears and you will like it

[wise junco]

That's 15000 weapons by the way

5000 spears -> 5000 long sticks -> 5000 stakes

Maximum efficiency

[round knot]

anyone else think we took the 'big on communication' thing for granted and now they won't tell us anything

[ancient scaffold]

[dense aspen]

[coral oasis]

what do you want them to tell you?

[wise junco]

I don't mind them visiting me at home and singing me a lullaby while I sleep

[round knot]

That everything is ok and that daddys home

what else would I possibly want them to tell me

[sterile karma]

sometimes i wish i could do the classic bamboozle from the last of us where i grab a zombie and throw it at another zombie to stun them or, potentially even just have the zombies take out the other one

crunch

reasons why that should be possible:

1 : Funny
2 : Immersive
3 : Gets your ass out of hot waters
4 : Grapple System could be used for takedowns ( Cool )

[ancient scaffold]

This makes me want a mod that uses grapple tech to add WWE moves into the game. So I can just slam zombies and elbow jump from a roof whenever I want

[coral oasis]

they said in a patch note that their attention is towards the beta and fixing, adding the rest of the stuff and this was when people asked for a thursdoid

I guess this still stands today

[sterile karma]

someone just please explain this to me dawg

i can carve an entire Spade but i cant whittle down the grip of a chunky branch

[stone echo]

honestly if there's one question i really would want to get an answer from the devs about it's... why does b42 seem to lean so much harder into hard-gating recipes instead of letting you make worse versions of the item at lower levels? metalworking and welding especially; needing to grind up to level 9 to unlock all recipes is just... not great. i'm pretty sure metalworking 10 actually doesn't even do anything right now because the only effect of the skill seems to be recipe unlocks. i do love b42 but this is my biggest design issue with it i think

compare to carpentry, where you can make janky versions of most of the buildables by level 4ish

metalworking you need level 6 to even start making a single long blade, and that hardly even counts because it's just the welding-skill scrap shortsword

also, like. having the crude versions of weapons consistently be one level below the better version ensures that they basically never get used.

[plain moon]

It would be nice for metalworking or welding for it to be like, you unlock X amount of recipes per level ( besides magazines ) and then at a certain cap, let’s say lvl 5 , after that you don’t gain anything recipe wise, but gain improved strength defense or fortified whatever

Stronger whatever

To give incentive to actually grind the skill

[stone echo]

exactly, that's how i've felt about it

maybe you could toss some less core-recipes above that are mainly aesthetic (ie goblets, gold trim for your armour, etc) as nice little bonuses too

[plain moon]

I think another problem with vanilla sandbox settings / zombie migration is that you don’t really necessarily need to fortify your base, there’s no really incentive too, maybe if your gone from your base for a week or two maybe

So even if I were to grind carp or metalworking

What do I need to fortify besides maybe cars and weapons

[stone echo]

depends on location but yeah, for the most part if you have time to properly fortify a location you will have cleared the local area already

[sterile karma]

To test this rn I hopped into my carpenter character

I started with lvl 2 in Carving and Fast Learner.

Without books, I had to craft a total of 6 Wooden Forks and 97 Smoking Pipes following level 3 to get to Level 6 which allows me to do literally nothing yet because making a Short Bat ( NOT a long one, JUST a short one! ) needs level 7

To get to level 7 I would have to make approximately 82 more smoking pipes.

Which means I have to make a whopping ~ 180 smoking pipes to make a CUDGEL.

180 Smoking Pipes.

Which takes multiple in-game days mind you. Without timeskip? This would take about 5 hours.

How is this remotely acceptable?

In Multiplayer, there's no timeskip. So you would have to AFK for multiple hours just so you can make the most basic cudgels for yourself and your friends.

[stone echo]

yeah some skills are just egregiously boring to level up; carving is a bad offender in that regard

gestures at electrical and mechanics and welding and nimble and

[sterile karma]

Carving 9 is the kind of shit id expect would be required for an advanced Recurve or masterful Longbow

NOT a whittled down large branch.

with Carving 9 i should be making a statue of my character carving a bat.

in a house, made out of a CARVED TREE.

[stone echo]

well hey

at least it's not knapping

[sterile karma]

knapping is suffering the exact same issue except getting stones is an even bigger pain in the ass

[stone echo]

the skill so pointless they had to reskin masonry recipes to actually give you a way to level it

[plain moon]

We don’t talk about knapping

[sterile karma]

knapping is silly anways.

[stone echo]

knapping is the only currently existing skill that i'd say absolutely should be merged with another skill

[sterile karma]

i dont get why its not just masonry honestly

just merge it with masonry, whats the point anyways

Let the stone boys cover more stone

[stone echo]

genuinely you could not possibly make enough recipes to justify a ten level skill

how many variations on 'sharp rock' can you have

[sterile karma]

all your basic tools

and thats it.

i mean theres a reason why there were so many more new tools created following the invention of metallurgy

[stone echo]

i feel like even in a primitive start knapping just won't be used ever beyond what's required to start basic forging

like make a few crude stone knives and an axe then never bother with it again

[sterile karma]

if only there was any incentive to stick with it otherwise, but no the tools you can make with it arent even good. And by the time you can make them? You will have foraged and looted WAAAY better ones.

[stone echo]

especially with the ability to forage bones now- just level carving instead and make bone knives and whatnot

bones are not at all rare to forage or anything

[sterile karma]

maybe knapping will have slightly more of a point to it once theres archery

[stone echo]

stone arrowheads? i mean maybe but again, kill one animal and now carve bone arrowheads

[sterile karma]

like i can think of a long list of stone tools from 1-10 but its all kind of just... "what if this metal tool but less convenient"

[stone echo]

knapping is at its core kind of stuck being an intermediate skill

[sterile karma]

maybe if you could make like a macuahuitl or something lmao

[stone echo]

that sure is a lot of letters in a particular order. let me google that one moment.

[sterile karma]

aztec obsidian shard sword/mace

[stone echo]

ah! gotcha gotcha, yeah, could be neat

[stone echo]

though i question the frequence of obsidian in rural kentucky

[sterile karma]

eh fuckit just use flint ig-

i mean were using shit like... sawblade boards.

were already using ridiculous useless junk anyways

may as well use semi ridiculous useless junk as well

[remote lily]

make ridiculous useless junk slightly more ridiculous and slightly less useless

[sterile karma]

were already really bordering how ridiculous it is/can be

[stone echo]

i sure would love if literally every weapon above 2.5 encumbrance wasn't actively worse than shoving a zombie and stomping their head in

[sterile karma]

wheres my flintblade tomahawk

[stone echo]

1.5 for one-handers

[sterile karma]

wheres my barbed wire wrapped bat
or my screw studded trench mace

no instead i get... 4 variants of plunger that only a madman would use to kill himself with

[stone echo]

barbed wire bat is such an obvious missing item that it makes me wonder if there's some awful copyright issue or something

barbed wire on plungers, brooms, hockey sticks and literally nothing else 👍

[sterile karma]

im shocked we dont have screw studding as an alternative for "item + nails"

screws are more durable

and it would finally give a point to having all those damn screw boxes.

[stone echo]

what, you don't like using them to repair 5% of a car hood while still adding a full 1x to the repair stacks?

[sterile karma]

shocking, ik

[stone echo]

car repair sucks by the way. like just in general.

[sterile karma]

sorry but all i can give you in this mechanics garage is 1 engine part... which is 3% condition at 10 mechanics.

[stone echo]

mechanics is awful to level, car repair having massively-diminishing returns makes it kinda pointless to bother most of the time

[sterile karma]

like i could literally not play without engine crafting mods.

[stone echo]

like half the parts just not being repairable at all

hitting one (1) mouse damaging your car equally as running over a fully grown adult person/zombie

[sterile karma]

the car explodes from guilt ig

[stone echo]

alas 😔

genuinely i think they need to rework how repair stacks work

each repair being half as effective as the last is way too huge of a penalty right away

or let us forge car hoods or something, hah

i would love to spec into being a mechanic who can keep cars going for a long time but you just... can't do that, really

[humble onyx]

Albeit, I do think it's fair for the durability effectiveness to be halved the next time you use it. Imagine have a bat broken in 2, getting ducttape and having it broken again in the same spot. Your not gonna put ducttape over it again, your gonna have a non lethal weapon there.

[stone echo]

weapons are more reasonable, yeah, moreso car parts are my issue especially since you're likely repairing those with a welding torch and steel sheets vs duct tape

[sterile karma]

Also vehicle parts are a limited resource and until there are horses, there's no viable alternative to a car.

[stone echo]

limited and extremely heavy, annoying to lug back to base resource

[sterile karma]

SP? Not as big a problem because there's more cars than you by factor of hundreds

But in MP? Give a decent sized server a month and they're struggling.

[stone echo]

also mechanic shops don't spawn nearly enough car parts, imo

[sterile karma]

1 engine part per is ridiculously low lmao

That's nothing at all

[stone echo]

i love destroying an entire car engine to loot like seven engine parts; surely this ability will have no negative effects on the car population of a multiplayer server 👍

like i get not making this into my summer car, but also i would like it to be remotely viable to fix up a junker car

there's not even a sandbox setting to change spawnrate of car parts, right?

[sterile karma]

i dont even remember tbh i eventually just adopted a "im going to X, ill find a car over there for sure." strategy

[remote lily]

It came to me in a dream. Not multiplayer, not bows, but truth. The truth behind the virus. The truth behind its spread. It all began with... with... Raccoons. Orange, greasy, happy, dancing raccoons. They were the winds rattling open the doors of hell, unleashing Judgment Day upon rural Kentucky first - then the world.

They unleashed the damned upon the world. Laughing, dancing, smirking in a furious, furry, orange conflagration of break-dancing raccoons ushering the end times.

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[ancient scaffold]

[heavy meteor]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[limber pelican]

[stone echo]

drew up a couple of concepts for scrap weapons- the welding skills really needs a couple more options to fill out the tree i thought, though the can mace there is more likely maintenance

crude scrap blade is intended to be a level-0 craft so welding has an actual way to level besides car dismantling/window barricades! less refined than the existing scrap large knife, moreso just cutting out a jagged piece of metal and wrapping a cloth around it for a handle

can mace is probably a maintenance-1 thing? like a slightly more practical version of the kettle/bucket mauls. screws jabbed through a tin can, working as spikes and also sitting in the concrete to keep the can attached

two tiers of spears seemed appropriaate too- a simple one that's literally just a sharpened metal rod, and another one with a proper welded-on spearhead and hand guards. welding 1/welding 6, maybe?

aaand the stop sign is a little goofy but given how common street signs are, it'd be cool to be able to use them as kinda poorly-performing axes by hitting with the sharp side instead of the flat bit. somewhere between light 2.0 weapons and 6.0 mauls, i think

[eternal field]

Looks more like metal working, rather than welding tbh, but I do like the stop sign, bonking something with a stop sign to get em to stop never gets old

[strong wedge]

neat drawings!

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[stone echo]

thank you :)

[heavy meteor]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[stone echo]

yeah, in general i'd love to see more 'scrap' weapons, ideally easier to actually get than the current ones or at least moderately viable early game

gestures at the various bucket/kettle mauls which are hard to make and completely useless- the can mace in there is meant to be a practical version of that

medium handle, tin can/soda can, concrete powder/clay cement, and some screws means the only tough thing to acquire is likely to be the concrete

there's also a weird number of 'tree branch with x' weapons for what is a barely usable weapon, hah

[north mica]

they cooking up something large for 42.8 i swear

[north mica]

me too, and just more improvised weaponry in general

but i dont think any of the ones we already have strike me as too "weird" to be worthy of existing

maybe just the kettle maul and such, they definitely stand out, but it isn't something i wouldn't see someone making in a zombie apocalypse if they had no other materials to work with

[buoyant widget]

or not

[north mica]

i'd hope so atleast

they've been keeping up this pace of providing juicy updates every few weeks

[twin thorn]

In before "additions: 2 more baseball cap colors"

[north mica]

what pisses me off is that theres still not a recipe for a barbed wire bat

you can wrap it around a piece of wood but somehow its too hard to do the same to a bat

[remote lily]

they cooking the equivalent to finding shiny pokemons. 1 in 8192 chance for an orange raccoon to spawn in your backyard, who'll also set your house on fire

[north mica]

[remote lily]

[eternal field]

i mean, that would be pretty epic

[sterile karma]

broom/plunger with barbed wire

but no long handles, baseball bats, or otherwise

[north mica]

i dont think its weird, theyre still big sticks to put stuff on. The character is just saving their time and energy by not getting rid of the broom head or the plunger tip

[north mica]

exactly, this is what i do not like

[sterile karma]

also every variation of possibly thing in existance studded with nails, but not screws

which still means screws are as useful as pebbles

actually kinda less now

[north mica]

screws have some use but far less than nails

which sucks because i imagine if you had a big sturdy wooden stick, you could just drill a few screws into it to increase its lethality

or i dunno, drill them into a cudgel instead

[sterile karma]

theyre alot more durable than nails at the very least.

... would also be nice if you could use screws in carpentry by using a handdrill as well

[stone echo]

only major uses of screws i can think of are like... the can-reinforced bat

[jagged light]

Yall would tell me when miltiplayer comes right

[coral oasis]

no no, we keep it to ourselves

[stone echo]

multiplayer actually came out weeks ago, we're just hoarding it. no multiplayer for you only for us

[coral oasis]

why the doubt? got dem blues?

[stone echo]

genuinely though i can't wait for multiplayer- i know we're not likely to get it for months at least, probably not until after most of the major b42 features are present, but man am i looking forwards to playing with my partner again

actually asked him out while we were playing back in b41, heh, so a little bit of a connection with this game's multiplayer :)

[coral oasis]

everybody is waiting for MP atm but I agree it will be the last part of unstable

I'm mostly curious about the next patch

[stone echo]

yeah, biggest current theory is that bows are coming, right?

not that it's like. a substantiated theory. but still.

[coral oasis]

bows are at the back of the queue as stated by the devs in a blog post from last year

so it can be basically everything else before bows, except MP

[stone echo]

advanced machines then, maybe? like the vending machine ui or sawmills

[coral oasis]

maybe, yes

drill press, arch furnace, etc

blower forge since we have a blower fan to loot already

[stone echo]

perhaps electrical will finally be a skill worth using

[coral oasis]

if you have seen the Christmas vid, the electrical boxes on houses will have some functions

[stone echo]

oh? i'd heard about it but didn't know there was a video, let me check that out

[coral oasis]

the survivor is installing Christmas lights on the house using that box

[stone echo]

i would totally love to see a rework of how generators function

low-skill you can directly plug in a device or two, high-skill you can directly power an entire building

be good for those huge buildings that are a pain to power too with generator radius

i do wonder how it'll work with gas pumps though

[coral oasis]

maybe and this is my guess, you will need wiring and power bars to extend electricity

generator + electrical wires / power bars - electrical output

[stone echo]

ooh, that'd be a neat way to do it and a use for a small junk item

stack too many power bars and you'd probably risk a fire

[coral oasis]

I guess those items are not just for fun giving the crafting overhaul

just like plumbing, you will need pipes and some pump / boiler to bring back water to you house

[stone echo]

i do wonder what skill plumbing would fall under? maintenance maybe?

i think i've already said my piece to you on why maintenance shouldn't be a combat skill though

[coral oasis]

depends

could also be part welding part maintenance

and pottery for clay pipes

[stone echo]

true true

[stone echo]

where was this, by the way? didn't see it in the b42 release thing

[coral oasis]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/06/the-biomic-man/

they also mentioned brewing from the first release and it's not here

[stone echo]

ah, gotcha gotcha

some of the new bars do actually have huge brewing rooms; it'd be nice to be able to use those

the one in southern muldraugh comes to mind- rusty rifle, i think

[buoyant widget]

i dunno buddy, i hope it's gonna fix blacksmithing, but it might not

i thought 42.7 would fix it

[round knot]

Still no patch? MP is never coming

[shy helm]

I had a dream MP was out and there was only tranquil harmony and joy

[stone echo]

hm... has anyone seen some of these containers in b42? i don't think i've ever seen the cookie jar, the larger leftovers container, or the halloween basket among some others

image from the 'glowing onez' thursdoid

oh wow no wonder, wiki says it's a 0.1% chance in fridges

[untold latch]

Easy to check if they're in the game through debug I guess. That said, nope never seen

[stone echo]

yeah, 0.1% chance in fridges, slightly higher ~6% percent chance in office fridges for the takeout container

weird, i've only ever seen the chinese takeout one

also i refuse to believe that only one in 1000 houses has takeout in their fridge

[untold latch]

Nice 🙂 It's good to have ultra rare stuff, makes the find special. It's a gamification that I am more than happy to be on board with

[stone echo]

ultra rare is fine for some stuff like the halloween bucket, it's just a little odd with stuff like takeout that spoils if you don't find it week 1