42.6.0 UNSTABLE Released

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u think? u mena about coding?

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already this is happening

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u think also TIS is using it?

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some of my friends are programmers and are using AI and a couple lost their jobs to AI

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uhh....

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I don't know that, but I'm sure there are forms of AI to help them out with coding

I would use it if it's available

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i never understood but for tis PZ is a full time work or just a second job?

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as of now I believe it's a full time job as long as they hired staff, more devs and also external help, the team seems to shape up like a full dedicated workgroup

like you would see in other studios

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i read about they also got some help from external from the blogs like people from famous modding of minecraft......all the time they are taking for this 42 mean is reallly huge

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they have some external people helping out with 42

from several studios

also working on MP and rest of the crafting

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if i'm nt wrong some are also already developing the 43 human npcs and another small team only for mp

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I haven't found any information of the sort in last year's posts

could be true, can't say

[modest orbit]

it's should be in the one of the 2022

when they showed the npcs and driving ncps

they were saying about some of the team already working sideline on the 43 when other were on the 42

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they are moving very fast with these updates to 42

41 unstable lasted 2 years.......

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we gonna see....

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we're past half of the builds as of now, so it's marvelous to see this pace

let's hope they keep it up

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yep but the 41 reached .78

so we are still 6

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different dev cycle and numbering

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but yes was taking longer

i remember

for the 41

[raven moss]

Let’s hope multiplayer is soon

[vocal radish]

🥳

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I wouldn't hope for MP right now

still some stuff to come before that

[vocal radish]

As much as I want MP I wouldn't want it yet, there is a bunch that needs to be cleaned up before then

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you can play an MP right now with controllers using steam remote play

I mean only co-op

but PZ with a controller right now is just a like a new guy starting the game for the first time for me

[vocal radish]

My group is like 10ish players so wouldn't work for us, but we are patient 🤓

For people who are just doing 2-4 would be fine

As long as they can get comfy with controller

[visual hemlock]

it's weird as hell for the new user and needs some time before getting used to, MP will drop by then 😉

there is a scooter mod out just now if you're looking to fool around :))

[dry fiber]

I cant tell if im just having real bad luck but.. I set pre looted building chance to 70, and house story chance to "often" but im still seeing less survivor houses than in default apoc settings. Can anyone confirm if pre looted chance is being applied last and overriding chances for house stories?

[clear aurora]

well yeag

they said a majority of the work with b42 was making the game capable of doing such big updates easier

[lost shell]

They also grew as a dev team. More hands to work on it definitely helps pace. Let's not forget that PZ was a niche game before MP dropped

[sharp bobcat]

Godamnit now you jinxed it

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no no

trust in TIS

they will deliver now like pros

[opaque compass]

We still got a lot to be added....

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don't be surprised if you see another update with hundreds of lines of additions

most of the patches were focused on balance and fixes

[sharp bobcat]

true, especially if they are still planning on adding bows

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bows yes they will probably require intense work

animation, damage, design

rest have been teased which means work was done on the matter

like brewing

[sharp bobcat]

and literally the entire groundwork

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you mean the code

[sharp bobcat]

design is nothing compared to having to code a entire new weapons class

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that can be extended frm regular firearms

[sharp bobcat]

a bow isn't a gun...

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functions on same principals in shooters

[sharp bobcat]

they are literally completerly different bro

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how ?

[sharp bobcat]

shooter don't have durability or exhaustion

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those are affinities that can be added later

[sharp bobcat]

oh idk having to "charge the bow" having a breakable string, having the bow exhaust the player, not beeing hitscan, having a completely different ammo system

also completely different for having it equipped on the back, drawing the bow, running with the bow etc.

[visual hemlock]

you are basically describing design stuff

[sharp bobcat]

thats coding

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I'm talking about that coding to actually get the item into existence, not the code behind modifiers like exhaustion, strings breaking, muscle strain

[sharp bobcat]

thats not a modifier thats literally the basis that a bow works on

thats like adding a car and saying "ayep well add the engine later"

[visual hemlock]

ok, let's stop here and agree to disagree, my point was that the code behind the car as a whole like framework is hard to get in, after that's done the rest are secondary matters

[lethal rover]

personally, if we got bows, i wouldn't give two shits if they fired exactly like a gun XD polish it up later and give me a reskinned bow gun for primitive deer hunting :3

[sharp bobcat]

there

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3396482283

[lethal rover]

beautiful

[sharp bobcat]

we all know TIS doesn't just halfbake stuff

especially since it would just be double work

[lethal rover]

i knowwwww..... 😦 but I want bows now

[sharp bobcat]

there ^

mod for you

[lethal rover]

but I want vanilla bows now D: (idk what i have against mods but I usually don't like them much. personal preference)

[sharp bobcat]

welp sucks to be u then

[lethal rover]

sure does XD

[sharp bobcat]

https://youtu.be/N3jrJLn0NHw?si=he63t_GCZya7EEoX

perfect video for this discussion btw lol

[hybrid kiln]

things i am expecting in B42 Stable Vanilla once bows drop:

multiple quality "tiers" of bows, including/and composite bows, whether craftable via high level skills or as a rare world loot spawn
multiple quality "tiers" of crossbows, including/and composite crossbows
several types of arrows and bolts

my wish is that carpentry/carving, welding and metalworking are all skills that are going to be involved in making that stuff

[prime ledge]

I mean, personally I generally dislike using mods, but at the same time I create multiple mods 😂

To each their own

[lethal rover]

lol that's relatable, if i had the skills i'd be creating plenty of balancing mods. XD

[prime ledge]

PZ modding, while definitely not the easiest, doesn't actually require any special toolset, which is definitely good for people new to modding.

All you really need is some plain text editor, even Windows' base notepad will suffice until you go more advanced

[crimson isle]

I am in the same boat as you! You are not alone! haha

For me I have no self-control with mods, its either no mods or woops thomas the tank engine is in skyrim

[lethal rover]

look if b42 hits stable and we have no bows, i'll add a mod, otherwise i'll just wait 😛

[lethal rover]

loool

[crimson isle]

AFAIK it would be part of the expanded skills and crafting to be added in unstable

im secretly hoping for horses in the ???? section haha, having passed a horse race track in game and "Pony-Roam-O" with horse stalls in it seems obvious but just hoping it isn't a B43 thing

[viral elk]

A large chunk of current vanilla assets, terrain/map and such were once mods that they've incorporated.

[lethal rover]

1. that's heckin neat
2. damnit it's modding time isn't it

[visual hemlock]

everybody wants bows, only ranged weapons in vanilla are guns

there are a lot of melee weapons you can craft for now but no ranged ones

[lethal rover]

I want bows because how else are you supposed to engage with hunting in a wilderness playthrough lol. good luck dooing leatherworking with no farm animals... unless you trap a deer against a lake or something

[viral elk]

💯

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throwing rocks

[lethal rover]

you can throw rocks?

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joke

[lethal rover]

awwwww

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you will

[viral elk]

You know most hunters use guns to hunt in the real world?

[lethal rover]

dangit i want a slling

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don't be disappointed

[lethal rover]

did you miss the part where i said wilderness playthrough? unless you get lucky and forage a gun and some ammo

[viral elk]

Only hunting aficionados and Bow enjoyers use Bows to hunt specifically.
Most just sit in a blind and shoot with a rifle.

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by the time stable will hit you will be able to throw rocks I believe

[viral elk]

Yea I missed that part

[lethal rover]

sorry i said that in a really snarky way... but yea lol. slings and bows 🙂

[visual hemlock]

chill, we don't even know how animals will spawn in an all wilderness map, I'm talking about domestic

[viral elk]

I just want a dog tbh

Games basically complete in my eyes.
Dog would just be a nice addition so it doesn't feel as lonely

[lethal rover]

i need cats! all of the cats to hunt the rats!!!

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that's on their website as well but I don't know when they will add dogs

[viral elk]

Sure I could do with some cats to skin and eat in the game

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TIS likes dogs

[lethal rover]

im going to eat your dogs

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that's just horrible and cruel

and a little pathological as well

[stone oak]

Well when you’re in an apocalypse. A man’s gotta eat something

[viral elk]

Ok 👍

[viral elk]

Pay no attention.
Obviously overtly sensitive. 😂

[digital tree]

Guys, no time to watch the patch, is multiplayer ready?

[lethal rover]

yes it was ready a month ago

[dense valley]

luckily you can just watch the name of the B42 channel to know your answer

it be that easy!

[digital tree]

killjoy

[dense valley]

connoisseur of the third meowch

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[dim nest]

Bro actually

wild

[hybrid kiln]

indeed

[shut solar]

Any one have this? 🥹🥹

[pine vessel]

amogus

[patent pelican]

happened to me after aiming down on a crawling and knocked down zombie

iirc pistol and shotgun unaffected

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this should be fixed by now, strange it still happens

[west anvil]

No 42.7? Game has been abandoned

[clear aurora]

after around 4 weeks of survival

[stone oak]

On that grind

Wait how do you have an xp boost for nimble..

[dense valley]

a mod is probable cause

[stone oak]

Perhaps

[dense valley]

any gamebreaking bugs in this 42.6 version?

[sharp bobcat]

Fr, the devs just abandoned ship and took the money smh my head

[grim basalt]

"the day before" tier scam

[dry fiber]

Lmao bro zombie behaviour has been a half baked door stop for like 2 stable builds

[lost shell]

Feel pretty stable for an unstable TBH

[dense valley]

good to know, thought of testing a build, need approx 30 days in-game for it

[trail otter]

where is multiplayer version?

[lost shell]

We just don't know. There's no hints for a based speculation on that.

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in the works

basically on their internal builds

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no, plays out smoothly apart from the zombies freezing animation if you kill them while crawling through a window

[visual hemlock]

eh, some of them were working on old C and stuff that's mostly being abandoned and they thought it will never come to that so...choose your career carefully

[onyx sky]

Wait guys you know what I just realized? Is that 41 came in multiple parts up to 41.77. Could that be the same for stable, just halfway to that number?

[hybrid kiln]

we dont know

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different numbering back then

[dense valley]

the UI is colossal sized now...? settings don't seem to change anything, moodles are giant, left side menu buttons too, the fonts, everything is

[visual hemlock]

hmm, they work ok for me

[dense valley]

Managed to fix after few restarts, some settings didnt seem to apply without a restart

[dense valley]

interestingly, the oven broke after I swapped from F to C, cannot use it anymore

[strong bobcat]

Sorry haven't looked for a while, has multiplayer for build 42 been released yet?

[dense valley]

no

[strong bobcat]

👍🏻

[dense valley]

likely wont be for a long while

[strong bobcat]

Okiiii, already waited 2 years. I guess I can wait another ^^

[dense valley]

B42 has been unstable for 3 months, but yeah, if you wait for a future build to have MP, you'll be waiting for a while

[strong bobcat]

Yeah yeah, I just meant since we last played build 41, that was a while ago now.

[dense valley]

2 "gamebreaking" bugs already on my fresh save, oven stopped working entirely and I cannot move propane grills because the tanks become empty when removed, no cooking for me

better luck next patch, at least the latter bug has been reported

[visual hemlock]

I've taken out the tanks for welding torch refills and seem to work as normal

some were empty from the start but some were full and remained full

[dense valley]

Every propane tank I removed from grills became empty, before removal the tooltip said they had near full amounts (19 hours 55 mins) or similar

[desert sparrow]

They also had a smaller team back then. TIS has really evolved into a flourishing indie studio over the last 4 years. But it's just conjecture on my part, they might continue to push out larger updates like they have been with similar frequency, but they also may hit a roadblock that'll take them - I dunno - 3 months to jump from 42.6 to 42.7.

All we can do is wait.

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very weird, I'm on apocalypse and seems to be ok

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it's not gonna be that long, Q3-Q4 2025 is most likely

[cold sky]

I hold out for some faint hope that I will be able to load my 42.5.1 save in 42.7 and it will update in a less broken way.

One of my better characters ever 😦

[dense valley]

I use several mods so of course blame may lie on them, but I don't know if the ones reporting this bug on forums are pure vanilla (they should be!)

[visual hemlock]

they should but I've never experienced anything like that and I'm running pure vanilla

[crimson isle]

They know about the oven bug, it happens when you open the settings. The workaround atm is to use the timer apparently or just never open the settings (I dont anyway so never encountered the bug)

[dense valley]

its been my natural reaction to just set the oven to highest C setting to cook faster, gonna see if theres a mod to fix this

[visual hemlock]

lol

what's this new sprite ? cement mixer?

maaan that would be so freakin cool

[solemn ferry]

can i ask ? its Multiplayer or still not :/

[crimson isle]

I think it’s a tilting crucible furnace

• The cylindrical container is the crucible where the metal is melted.
• The gearwheel and handle mechanism on the side suggests it can be tilted to pour molten metal out.
• The angled support frame keeps it stable during the tilting process.

[visual hemlock]

seems plausible

[crimson isle]

For pouring on zombies of course

https://tenor.com/view/viserys-death-viserys-burn-game-of-thrones-burn-burn-level-viserys-crown-for-king-gif-13565656

[visual hemlock]

I believe that is an arch furnace

also that electrical box and pipe valve both hint at something very very interesting once b42 stable gets here

[visual hemlock]

fire cannot hurt a dragon....

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there is no MP now

[solemn ferry]

still ? 😦 😦 😦

https://tenor.com/view/waluigi-sad-super-smash-bros-ultimate-wah-gif-11605196823861176959

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No MP for B42

[solemn ferry]

ooh 😦

[visual hemlock]

later

[cobalt apex]

Is it true that the server image flips when their is about to be a patch

[visual hemlock]

where did you heard that?

[cobalt apex]

Someone told me one time idk who

[dense valley]

I think patches have been every 2 weeks few times now

may or may not continue the trend

or thats the copium at least

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we had 5 patches I think this month, some smaller ones but 2-3 were regular updates

[dense valley]

like kids waiting for christmas except it comes far more often

[visual hemlock]

they have the manpower now

we shouldn't be surprised if a stable drops in the second half of 2025

[dense valley]

what is missing from b42 anyway? Archery and bows, primitive food preservation

[visual hemlock]

first half for beta and second half for stable, at least that was the plan for 2024

[dense valley]

dunno if farming overhaul is here in any form, like planting different stuff next to each other to boost growth, ward off pests, like with chickens eating pests

[visual hemlock]

archery, brewing, those machines I have screen-shoted are just sprites as of now, the challenge maps

crafting stations are missing animations and SFX

[dense valley]

so at least 2 major systems

of which we have nothing of, yet

[visual hemlock]

seems so

at least the metal bandsaw is working

[dense valley]

don't think we'll get stable at 42.78 😄

[visual hemlock]

but the rest of the machines are not

some electrical rework I think

those electrical boxes will have some functions

and I think also those pipes with valves are also intended to have some functions

[dense valley]

I saw pipes as crafting recipes, as in proper piping, not sure where they fit in all this

[visual hemlock]

I think 4 major systems including the ones we mentioned and who knows what more

plumbing rework

[dense valley]

makes sense

[visual hemlock]

I believe plumbing will be reworked with functioning pipes and boilers / pumps

like installing a steam boiler and pipes around your house to have functioning water supply and heat

also maybe, and this is only my opinion, same will happen to the generator, adding wires to hook it up to that electrical box

[vocal radish]

My body is ready to move water around via pipes

[visual hemlock]

I think it will come to that

[vocal radish]

I imagine it will be similar to the way it works in Terraria

[visual hemlock]

when some user asked around here what happened to plumbing, Pat mentioned it was being reworked with all the crafting stuff

in the first B42 thread December 2024

and later when it was brought back in recent patches, Spiffo referred to it as B41 plumbing

[dense valley]

can't wait to store large amounts of foodstuff for a lenghty period of time, hopefully without gasoline usage...

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brewing

some fermentation barrels were teased in a vid from last year

[dense valley]

sounds weird to store every spoilable food item in a such thing

[visual hemlock]

you use them to make vinegar

[dense valley]

that just sounds like such a complicated, long time investment thing just to refridgerate food in a primitive manner

vs digging an earth cellar

I mean storing meat, fish, everything in vinegar?

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or salting

[dense valley]

curing meat would be damn nice

at least assuming it saves the proper calories, not turn everything into basic beef jerky

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smoking food also

I mean for a primitive run, you won't have access to fridges

[dense valley]

solo life is hard, have to keep the homestead going, but also have a chance to travel a bit for whatever reasons

has not to be a primitive run to forget food preservation existed pre-vinegar, also to not have to rely on gasoline for electricity to store food

[visual hemlock]

get used to this, they are aiming for more long term stuff

[vocal radish]

Yeeee

They said they want worlds to last like 85ish years so makes sense to have long term stuff going in

[visual hemlock]

longer playruns will be required if servers will run realistic growing seasons and no loot etc

[vocal radish]

Will be wild when NPCs are in and you will be able to see communities rise and fall

[visual hemlock]

so surviving less than 1 year will be kinda useless

[dense valley]

would suck to me if an actual primitive run would involve having to hunt food every day since without storage, it spoils

but perhaps salting and curing will happen

[vocal radish]

That would be ideal

[visual hemlock]

there is a mod already to solve that issue

[dense valley]

I want things in base game of course, would be silly if we have all this talk of primitive features added in B42 but leaving it incomplete entirely to force modders fixing em

[visual hemlock]

no I don't think that will happen

[vocal radish]

[visual hemlock]

these mechanics already exist in their internal builds

[dense valley]

especially adding complex industrial machinery and systems around that but digging a hole for food storing is "meh, wont happen"

[visual hemlock]

if we're talking about the vanilla map

you have fridges

[dense valley]

nothing says you have to either entirely play primitive in deep forest, or embrace modernity

but gasoline will be spoiled, in reality at very least, or run out

post-apocalyptic nu-medieval communities were mentioned before regarding how to design the end-game in PZ

that alone conflicts with the "if you play normal map, use fridges, or play deep forest map without any cities"

[visual hemlock]

imagine making fuel from bioethanol

fridges were given as an example there

[dense valley]

I need to see overgrown cities eventually, while living homestead life in my hybrid modernity and primitive community

embracing older technologies of living as necessity as a world without civilization forces survivors to adapt to post-production world where everything was a matter of getting things ordered and served on a plate

suppose TWD, Last of Us and such TV shows/games have been part of the design inspiration for Indie Stone

You don't entirely retire to live in the woods, you utilize old infrastructure to build a community, you don't give up all modern tech but you use the good and old reliable survival skills from hundreds of years past to hybridize and adapt

I suppose I am the antithesis of "it is what it is" - if you cannot have electricity via gasoline anymore, you don't just give up and ignore all the other ways that could work to get power - human adaptability is why homo sapiens is the apex species

same for other mechanics, I can't be an armchair dev here but I would believe the developers are not that short-sighted that lack of one thing in the long-term survival means you cannot find workarounds

[visual hemlock]

well I don't believe you can get electricity any other way

[dense valley]

if solar energy was not a viable tech in 1994, so be it - but you can't just tie your existence around electricity - alternative solutions did exist for many things pre-electricity

[visual hemlock]

it's not viable today

[dense valley]

I'm pretty sure it is for small communities

not the entire planet...

you no longer have a need or use for power-hungry devices in post-apocalyptic world

[visual hemlock]

like powering maybe some community buildings or services

[dense valley]

simple things like lights, at best, a freezer (if not viable, find an alternative method that even VERY primitive humans used)

[visual hemlock]

but powering everything from houses to services is not viable today you need a huge field of solar panels to achieve that

[dense valley]

well I am glad this is PZ we talk about, single player is a single human, who probably doesn't need Las Vegas powered to survive 😄

imagine windmill to automate a quern, to grind flour

hell, maybe some sort of ye olde wooden watermill, for mechanical power

[visual hemlock]

that is something I can see added to the base game

windmill and watermill

[dense valley]

I am not american, but you who are can imagine how you got things done around year 1700-1900 whatever

[visual hemlock]

nobody wants to be american these days :))

I'm from the EU

[dense valley]

thats probably why my PZ character is a norwegian immigrant

or something like that

[visual hemlock]

no sleep tonight is on the dev menu I'm guessing

[dense valley]

tomorrow: b42 MP

April's Fools!

[visual hemlock]

seriously, internal build got updated

[dense valley]

perhaps bug fixes...which I would welcome

[dim nest]

????😭 what the hell

[thick hound]

Can we please get custom melee animations for guns. “Buttstroke” for rifles and shotguns and for pistols using it to crack their skull with the handle

[vocal radish]

hmmm? 😮

[sharp bobcat]

Probably more like muzzle jab

[thick hound]

Muzzle jab would do less damage due to the weight being much less.

The handle with bullets in it would be heavier and do more damage

[sharp bobcat]

Yeah but a buttstroke would just damage your gun

[thick hound]

Muzzle jab damages your gun much more the muzzle isn’t meant to be used like a spear

A buttstroke is a blunt force attack and some guns have stocks designed to do so

[sharp bobcat]

The muzzle is prolly more durable than the delicate mechanics in your gun

Spec ops do muzzle jabs so I strongly doubt it's the worse option

[thick hound]

The stock isn’t where delicate mechanics are kept in most guns.

Alot of stocks in the military are fitted with metal serrated caps

So if you slam it into their head or jaw it’ll do extra damage and not damage the wood as much.

Even a plastic cap will do alot of damage

Now a solid pure wood stock will be like getting hit with a baseball bat so it can do high damage too and not break for a few good swings or slams

Some guns have replaceable stocks for a reason.

[thick hound]

Splintering is something to consider too.

If you’re a good enough carpenter making a new stock for a gun isn’t hard

[visual hemlock]

they missed our late night show

late night talk show

[crimson isle]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-5132983713244395301

[dry fiber]

Hope not, im not nearly far enough in my 6 months later test

[crimson isle]

Jk I’d guess next week, they seem to be on a 2-3 week mon/tues cadence but they did have some 1 week release but usually hot fixes. It’s possible they do a quicker one with some fixes though cause the oven thing

[visual hemlock]

also hope not, apart from fixes I want it to be packed with new stuff

they have been pushing huge fixes within the last patches, I think more content would be nicer to have

[prime ledge]

Give us weighed regional/profession vehicle spawns!

Fr they should do some weighing, at least for police cars - a city police car having the rarity of a state police car while you're literally in the city center doesn't make much sense

[crimson isle]

Have you guys noticed a lot of a profession step vans completely empty?

[visual hemlock]

diminished loot chance multiplier ?

[prime ledge]

Maybe the loot is just not defined, thus nothing can spawn in them

[visual hemlock]

no, because I've found items in those vans

some are empty indeed

[prime ledge]

In that case, probably the default loot multipliers are just not enough for stuff to consistently spawn inside

[visual hemlock]

that's why I asked about that diminishing loot stuff

[crimson isle]

Ah yeah. So far the tradewinds forge one and rosewood blooms just totally empty

[visual hemlock]

If you choose Apocalypse straight up, those multipliers are almost at max, like the looted building is at 90%

[granite bloom]

I have been tinkering with b41 multiplayer for a bit but might revisit build 42 soon, it’s been about maybe 2 1/2 months since I’ve last played. Anything new you all like with the recent update with the build?

[crimson isle]

There are a couple new features like better foraging biomes, reverse engineering recipes, more complete crafting tree (shoutout craftable bats) but for the most part everything is just more stable and balanced

Some things still missing like bowyery etc

also there are racoons!

Obviously no MP yet either

Places like this make me hope they are going to sneaky add horses too haha

[modest orbit]

still waiting for a purpose to use this tech tree.......but we have also breakable fences now...at least the metal ones

[thick hound]

Biggest bit of a feedback for this patch i can give is that nightmares and nightterrors happen too often i dont know what changed but they just happen TOO OFTEN now

[thick hound]

Horses are coming and dogs are too just we don't know when

dogs will be used for hunting and alerting you/guarding you at night while you sleep

they will retrieve stuff you shoot/follow them when they are injured

horses will be the late game alternative and wilderness alternative to cars as they will also have functionality with carts and farming

[thick hound]

dogs will most likely come before NPCS are fully implemented because they will be used by npc's and players

[wary vigil]

my guess is dogs in b43, given the chart for build progression they showed a while back? they'd make sense for stage 1 of npcs- more complicated than livestock but not human-level

[modest orbit]

where they said that??? i miss it!

[sinful escarp]

I’m pretty sure they made the second part up

[visual hemlock]

they didn't, dogs are on the list but nobody knows when, it's a speculation

[hoary crystal]

Predatory animals are going to be really neat

[grim basalt]

there's not that many in Kentucky, I think. like, coyotes and bears? that's it, if I'm not wrong

[hoary crystal]

Bears would be nice to run into, another threat out in the wilderness.

[crimson isle]

Wild boars too right?

[modest orbit]

lynx and bears

[visual hemlock]

no information on the rest besides dogs

[modest orbit]

about cats and dogs i was aware....

[sinful escarp]

I’m talking about npcs using dogs

[visual hemlock]

I saw that but I was stating that there is no info if dogs will come before npcs or with

[vocal radish]

I think dogs and other animals (like cats, and horses etc) will probably use the behavioral tech tree AI that they have been working on for many many moons

Most predator animals as well tbh

[dense valley]

any further internal build updates?

[radiant dust]

April Fool’s joke: devs say they released MP

[vocal radish]

They hid the dev branches on steamdb?

guess we were being too nosy

[radiant dust]

https://tenor.com/view/smellcheck-gif-8689350725985057678

[vocal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[visual hemlock]

MP is today

[visual hemlock]

si

[hybrid kiln]

MP is FAKE!!!

[visual hemlock]

you can still check the changenumber and last updates to it

after that chaos in December, I'm not surprised

[vocal radish]

MP is canceled

[visual hemlock]

it's releasing today

[hybrid kiln]

[visual hemlock]

forever, only LAN and Co-op parties from now on

[vocal radish]

[hybrid kiln]

good, that'll teach them

[dry fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-okay-with-this-rick-rick-and-morty-i'm-fine-with-this-i'm-alright-with-this-gif-13369490372890804949

[visual hemlock]

just like old times

[granite bloom]

has anyone noticed you can hit windows from far away?

esp with long weapons

[wary vigil]

yeah, b42 bug

not totally sure how it happens

[granite bloom]

shieeet

its like that open door from 20 feet bug we had in one release haha

[wary vigil]

actually i should crosspost my ramble on vanilla occupations in here so it doesn't get lost in the flood of the other chat; would love to hear other opinions if anyone's up to read through a text wall

• unemployed: balanced enough i suppose? could give another two points or so given the opportunity cost of not taking a profession.
• cop: relatively balanced; could do with being a biiiit cheaper but the nimble is a really nice bonus on top of the gun stuff
• park ranger: it's ffffine? really needs to get the new skills added to it though; foraging is busted so that's a nice boost
• construction worker: literally just carpenter but worse because who is powerlevelling masonry
• security guard: too expensive for what it is, but night owl is underrated for singleplayer runs. if you're willing to manage your watch alarms and whatnot you can get by with practically no sleep especially with wakeful. would be nice to toss an aiming level or something their way
• carpenter: super good right now; wide spread of useful skills and still starts you off with +1 point
• burglar: wildly overrated actually. hotwiring is good but not remotely worth taking this profession for; the 2 nimble points are the only good part
• chef: what if burger flipper cost six additional points for practically zero benefit
• diy expert: it's... okay. i don't consider it worth five points for the extra maintenance level vs carpenter, also losing out on the carpentry levels
• livestock farmer: just sucks; all of the given skills suck. partially because butchering is broken forever and ever but also just not anything immediately useful, especially for being a -2 start
• crop farmer: it's a +2 just like burger flipper is and has vastly inferior skills. enough said.
• angler: way too expensive; the foraging level is nice but fishing levels aren't hard to level or even particularly necessary to jumpstart the skill
• doctor: worse burger flipper; you're getting short blade for the same cost but trading maintenance for first aid
• veteran: also overrated; panic gone is nice but not even remotely worth the insane point cost. it's okay though, i suppose.
  (cont'd)

• nurse: again, competing with burger flipper at a +2. first aid sucks and lightfooted is barely worth mentioning. bad. cool youtuber though
• lumberjack: very good; weirdly cheap for what it is and every single stat it gives is super handy. plus a speed boost to axes; it's probably top 3 with the only downside being you're basically only going to use axes
• fitness instructor: it's... i mean it's fine. it's definitely too expensive for what it is, but 3 fitness is super good and running's okay too. nutritionist is only useful because calorie values are still really silly for basically everything.
• burger flipper: genuinely insaneo good. you can take unemployed and blacksmith perk for a +1 maintenance and +2 smithing, or you can take this and get a +1 maintenance and +1 short blade. really just depends on if you like short blades or not? honestly the main issue is just maintenance being super good and most everything else being really expensive for no reason; it's not that overpowered it's just that most everything else is underpowered.
• electrician: worthless. -4 for a skill that means nothing after level 1. nothing more to say.
• engineer: same as electrical because improvised bombs suck. technically still better than electrical because one level of carpentry.
• welder: probably the most comedically overpriced career on this list, -6 for +3 welding is... i mean there's just no world in which that's worth it. you can get scrap weapons reasonably quickly if you also start with a junkyard and a lot of propane and welding stuff i guess but this should be a 0-point start at the most expensive
• blacksmith: worse than the blacksmith trait and also comedically overpriced.
• mechanic: why doesn't this have a maintenance level again? anyways it sucks, take carpenter or construction worker instead

i think the big issue with so many of these is just that you can take unemployed or burger flipper and a trait instead for a superior result

ie, fitness instructor:
you could start with -6 points, taking fitness instructor for +3 fitness and +2 running
-OR-
you could start with -6, taking burger flipper for +1 maintenance, +2 cooking, +1 short blade, and also taking the athletic trait for +4 fitness which also gives you the crazy-good bonuses that the athletic trait provides

you lose out on the running, sure, but a few running levels is more than a worthy sacrifice for getting athletic, maintenance, and the short blade is really nice if you like them how i do

[granite bloom]

👁️

[wary vigil]

there's a lot of them like that, where you're just better taking the trait versions of the professions

[visual hemlock]

I'm afraid there is still much balancing ahead with the skills and occupations

[wary vigil]

oh absolutely, i do question the tiny little changes they keep doing to random professions like giving masonry to construction worker when... i mean honestly the whole system needs to be totally rebalanced from the ground up

[visual hemlock]

some of them are indeed a bit hard to balance out

[wary vigil]

am i allowed to make fun of welder again

welder is a -6 and it doesn't even start off with the welded scrap weapon recipes.

[visual hemlock]

I don't agree with welder either

too much to balance out

Blacksmith is ok

[wary vigil]

blacksmith the profession? it is not; the trait for blacksmithing is way cheaper for essentially the same buffs

plus no opportunity cost of other professions

[visual hemlock]

no

the occupation has +3 metalworking and +1 or +2 in maintenance

[wary vigil]

occupation has a +4 metalworking and +1 maintenance, plus smithing recipes

[visual hemlock]

the trait only has +2

[wary vigil]

the perk is a +2 metalworking and +1 maintenance, plus smithing recipes

as someone who just finished a metalworking centric run: i levelled up metalworking within four crafts every single time with only the two starting levels; it is absolutely not worth eight additional points for two more levels in metalworking

because remember, unemployed + blacksmith trait is a +2. blacksmith profession alone is a -6.

gotta consider things vs the other options instead of in a vacuum; that's why i rate burger flipper so high

[clear aurora]

its not about the points

its about the xp multiplier

[wary vigil]

yes and i'm saying that the multiplier from 2 levels of metalworking is more than adequate- more than that is beyond overkill, ergo, those eight extra points are better spent elsewhere

[clear aurora]

xp multipliers are infinitely better than raw skill points imo

[wary vigil]

oh no i mean perk points

not skill points, sorry, should've clarified that

but 100% blacksmith profession is worse than blacksmith trait

eight points is a ton; that gets you a high-level thing like athletic or hunter

[crimson isle]

I agree with @wary vigil, when I took the trait and got the books I basically made like 20 pairs of scissors and was level 8 lol

[visual hemlock]

I'm gonna get weird responses with this but here it goes, maybe you won't find the books eh? maybe there will be no books to be found you know ? ever thought of it this way?

[sharp bobcat]

Books should be reworked anyway

Leveling is too fast with them and too slow without

[crimson isle]

Although I don't usually have a problem getting most of the books by the first month, I agree on that. Levelling with them is simple, and levelling without them is pain. I almost feel like it would be better if the books were gone completely and it was just recipes for more complex things you had to find. Like some things it makes sense to learn automatically, but nobody is going to automatically learn to make a sword or a perfect brick wall without some kind of reference.

[solid nebula]

The next patch was delayed so we can add hair physics

[prime ledge]

OMG April's Fools joke from the devs!

[sharp bobcat]

Eh, it's still a game. Besides our character doesn't even know how to cook or how to bind a knife to a long stick

However he DOES know every single car component, where it is, what tools to use and it's EXACT condition

[crimson isle]

Haha, and im sure everyone has different ideas on how to do things so its all good! Impossible to satisfy everyone haha

[sharp bobcat]

Thats true

[crimson isle]

https://tenor.com/view/long-hair-wink-handsome-gif-5673926

[sharp bobcat]

But IMO schematics should either be removed or hesvily reworked. They are EVERYWHERE and there are like 100 different types

Just a few schematics for very specific high end things and then a new research mechanic would make far more sense where you basically try out random things to hopefully figure out how to build a new thing

[crimson isle]

Im not sure it would translate but I liked the system in Kenshi, to get the really advanced things you needed 'ancient science books' which were in incredibly dangerous places but if you got one you could choose what project to apply it to

[crimson isle]

Yeah I agree, like I could blunder together a crude sword today probably if I had the tools just from knowing what it should look like and sharpening it, but maybe there is a schematic for a true well made sword etc

[sharp bobcat]

Yeah basically. Just a better way to get low-medium end things and then less schematics for high end stuff like armour and better versions of some things

[crimson isle]

Yeah, and I am sure they are working on that stuff! The research thing was a great step I think

[sharp bobcat]

Yeah same that was certainly a step in the right direction

[round shore]

For April fools, the moodles should be changed to true emojis

[cobalt apex]

I heard they will be announcing build 43 release today

[mystic fog]

You should suffer

[mystic fog]

You too

😂

[cobalt apex]

I heard spiffo mode was being added today

[willow prawn]

nose hair too

[solid nebula]

Nose hair is very important, it helps blocking smells from rotting corpses

[sinful escarp]

To be more inclusive, can we add more bald hair colors please?

[hybrid kiln]

add more lgtv

[solid nebula]

Balls hair color? That will wait for the d**k size slider

[crimson isle]

You will need a new recipe for a magnum codpiece!

[sinful escarp]

Can’t wait!!!

[turbid rose]

understandable, thank you.

[crimson isle]

@willow prawn This bug finally happened again, I knew I wasn't crazy! No mods, new 42.6.0 save

[willow prawn]

can you send the console txt file?

[crimson isle]

Sure. If it helps, both times it happened I poured untainted water into the barrel, and it worked, but once it rained into same barrel it became tainted. @willow prawn

[vocal radish]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/akpb8yar4NY

Rofl

[crimson isle]

Lol that was well edited

[willow prawn]

looks like your game crashed? does this happen if your save doesn't get corrupted?

[crimson isle]

It didnt crash? Been playing the whole time

also once I empty the barrel completely and it fills with pure rain water it works fine

[willow prawn]

can you create a new save and record a video from the point you create a new world and then how you get it bugged?

[crimson isle]

Sure but does it matter if I use debug for that? Might take a while to get a barrel and plumb it haha. Also is my save corrupt? I didn't notice anything weird other than this

[willow prawn]

without debug

or it happens with debug only?

[crimson isle]

I haven't used debug at all this save

Both my last two saves, 42.6.0, I've built a barrel and put some fresh water in myself before it filled with rainwater. Both those times after it rained the water became tainted, and if I empty it and let it fill only with rainwater it is fresh again.

no mods, no debug mode on thoise

no crashes or anything else fishy going on

It also ran fresh from the water I filled if I used the sink before it had rained

It also shows this in the drink menu

[visual hemlock]

this is nice

very well edited I might say :))

[crimson isle]

@willow prawn my guess without knowing anything about programming is that when you specifically pour untainted water in its marked that way, and when the rain water gets added (which is tainted unless run through pipes) it retains the tainted status through the pipes in a way that doesn't happen if that 'tainted' water is the only kind in the barrel

Or if there is some kind of process that happens to turn the tainted water in a rain barrel into untainted when it comes out the other end of plumbing, maybe that process doesn't run if there is untainted water in the barrel (even if its mixed with tainted) and the result is tainted water because any mix of tainted and untainted, is tainted?

[teal mortar]

finally a reason to be a male character

[round shore]

Finally I can look at butts

[dense valley]

the hair and beard growth is the only reason I keep making male characters, gives me some progress data how long I have suffered

[visual hemlock]

finally I can play naked and hit zombies with my 3rd foot

[teal mortar]

need me some ballhair leg

err ball hair length

[dense valley]

help is what you need!

or a new patch hopium

[willow prawn]

it was designed that way so players can input alco for example and get drunk drinking from toilets. Plumbing will be reworked in the future, but i'll check with the team if we want to make an exception for adding tainted water manually.

[visual hemlock]

best part to read was that sentence with plumbing will be reworked in the future, knew it, didn't make any sense to have those pipes around houses without function

[stone oak]

How are y’all finding large bags. I’ve only gotten regular mil bags

I mean they’re better but I like the plain green one

[dim nest]

does running a generator indoors kill you?

[desert sparrow]

yes

[teal mortar]

lol next we will need nuts , bolts, washers, plumbing tape

[crimson isle]

That sounds cool! Just to be clear, I was adding untainted water, which worked fine, but once it rained it all became tainted even through the plumbing.

So

1. Untainted water in barrel = untainted water in plumbed sink
2. Untainted water in barrel + rain = tainted water in plumbed sink

[visual hemlock]

same will be I believe with those electrical boxes, some functions, wires, power bars will be needed to extend range I guess

[crimson isle]

I get that bag reliably at the brandenburg checkpoint, but its a military bag with 36 slots same as the camo ones

maybe that changed since b41

[teal mortar]

i found a military bag in my garage that i spawned in

[stone oak]

In b41 it was like one slot less

[stone oak]

I've never been to the brandenburg checkpoint so i wouldn't know.

I heard it was too overpopulated

[teal mortar]

its not too bad

[stone oak]

They might've changed it

[teal mortar]

better than the lv one

[stone oak]

idk i've just gone straight to the rosewood military base for the backpacks

[teal mortar]

i used shotgun for first time and got carton of shells and was fun clearing the place

[solid nebula]

Rain will make it tainted, if you want to keep it fresh you have to place it indoors

[crimson isle]

Right I get it. If you pour fresh water in a barrel you are commiting to creating a storage of fresh water only, but (currently though subject to change) if you want to plumb rain water into fresh water you have to use rain water only barrel

So not really a bug but rather a feature of how in depth the new liquid system is

[vocal radish]

people are wild

[crimson isle]

Last time I got two M16s! And a fancy military hat

[teal mortar]

oo yah i found a m16 for 2nd time ever at that place in westpoint on the floor lol

was awesome i dont use guns hardly

[thick hound]

guys b42 releases today

[dense valley]

April's Fools, it was given to us in December 2024 already!

[radiant dust]

B42 is real?

[wary vigil]

sorry guys they have to start b42 over again i got hungry 😔

[bleak bobcat]

Strapping a timed bomb to my head and every time they drop a patch i set back the timer by 2 weeks, your move indie stone...

[crimson isle]

How long is it set for now

[dense valley]

Thankfully your genius ensures Indie Stone can only fail you once. The rest of us are not so lucky!

[granite bloom]

[granite bloom]

has anyone noticed that propane tanks when removed from bbqs they are ALWAYS empty despite them saying they have certain hours left before removing from bbq?

[visual hemlock]

it is a known bug

[granite bloom]

shieeeeet

are all empty or just bbq stuff rn

[timid sigil]

i saw an upate on april 1st and winced that it was gonna be a fake mp release

[visual hemlock]

I've found empty as well as full in both bbq and containers didn't encounter it in this save

but it was discussed here

[crimson isle]

Dang I tried to plumb an antique bar tap to a barrel of beer and no luck, and not even a sink can do it! haha

[lyric kayak]

the amount of beer in that barrel would make an alcoholic

tremble

[crude rapids]

B42 MP WILL release this month 🙏

[vocal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-gif-23611950

[visual hemlock]

I'm gonna save that GIF in case more situations like that pop up

[viral dock]

Devs missed out on a good april fools joke

[prime ledge]

Randomly found on survivor zombies, or on desert military zombies

[toxic viper]

Make wounds get the knox infection if you got scratched in bloody clothing.

Would be so real.

Maybe a little too much

But wash yourself for God's sake

[dim nest]

Does bloody clothing even do anything

[stone oak]

Never seen a large bag on a survivor zombie. At least in b42

B41 i used to see them all the time

[lethal rover]

anyone else feel like tires exploding is bugged? or overtuned? I don't get it, i keep having tires explode when their pressure is fine and condition is around/above 50%. am imissing something

[sinful escarp]

Yes, if you have fear of blood

[lethal rover]

honestly imo aiming still needs some serious work. at aiming 5 an msr788 can't consistantly kill zombies with less than 3/4 bullets at point blank range, despite the tooltip saying it's got amazing range and good damage lol. gun damage and chance to damage and everything needs a serious buff across the board methinks. it's seriously shit XD we're given a pistol on spawn to test out the new system and even a police officer can't kill a zombie at point blank range with an entire magazine. it feels awful

[pine vessel]

you're probably not aiming correctly

I could 1-2 tap zombies at close range with a pistol with a random survivor char at 0 aim.

[lethal rover]

define "aiming correctly"

that wasn't a hypothetical question 😭 because if i'm doing something really wrong i'd kinda like to know

but i kinda don't think i am. perfectly rested, no panic moodles, point blank range, aiming at the head.... takes like 3 shots with the 788 to kill a zombie at 4 aiming.

[solid nebula]

Aim for the head

[lethal rover]

i'll admit the first bit I wasn't aiming at the head. Still felt awful. But with the 788 i was aiming at the head to the best of my ability.

And. personal opinion here, why have an aiming skill when the player skill has such a large impact? are we evaluating my characters ability to aim, or mine?

do stress or unhappiness impact aiming/damage/guns at all?

what exactly am i doing wrong here :/

am i at skill 4? yea. am i also at point blank range? yea. imo anyone above skill 0 should be able to one shot a zombie by aiming at the head when they're literally in lunging distance.

[charred anvil]

Is there any natural clay deposits around Muldraugh? I checked the lake nearby, but couldn't find anything.

[crimson isle]

I am reasonably sure its that sadness moodle, try again with no negative moodles

Your char is one step away from turning the gun on themselves lol, in my experience negative moodles hugely impact guns

[lethal rover]

XD lol aight i'll give that a shot

[crimson isle]

My go to is a JS2000 with a full choke and a x2 scope, it one shots almost every zombie from mid range reliably even at 3-4 aiming

plus you can hit more if they bunch up

[lethal rover]

ye the shotguns preform fantastic. but I would like to use something that isn't a shotgun at some point lol

sadness doesn't seem to have an effect, it's still taking 2/3 shots within lunging distance, in the head, to kill zombies. that's with no moodles at all except bad smell

aiming 5 now btw

[sharp bobcat]

eh it's a game. Characters also lack the most basic skills and are more like unpaid interns in term of skill instead of actual professionals

[lethal rover]

games should be balanced though

[sharp bobcat]

that I agree with

[lethal rover]

pretty much my point (at this point) is guns aren't balanced. I shouldn't need to be level 5+ to use any gun that isn't a shotgun outside of melee range

and i'm sorry for sounding so annoyed. but imo a gun should basically always one shot a zombie in melee range with no moodles.

1. because ammo is finite, unlike melee weapons, so guns should be strong at any level
2. they're incredibly loud. if they preform worse than melee weapons in melee range, why bother using a gun at all. it's a literal waste of finite ammo

[sharp bobcat]

yeah I agree. The whole point of guns (and crosbows) is that they were able to be used by practically anyone without having to train them for 10 years.

The current hitchance would be more fitting for a bow than a gun

[lethal rover]

okay nah something's up. aiming 10, no moodles, 788 still struggles at any range. literally took 3 shots to kill a prone zombie while aiming at the head lmfao

[sharp bobcat]

I feel like a good way of balancing would be to give debuffs for weapons if you are below the required skill. So for example if I find a semi auto or even full auto weapon then the recoil would be uncontrolable for me and the gun practically unusable for me so there could be a debuff for precision for that gun and a chance of injury till I hit level 5 for example

[lethal rover]

okay look i'm a lot dumb. it's foggy.

I am stupid

[solid nebula]

There is a recoil penalty and you can counter it with strength levels

or by waiting a little longer before shooting again

[sharp bobcat]

the hell? I think that should be made a bit more obvious

oh that kinda recoil penalty... nvm then

[solid nebula]

Well, it is obvious that right after shooting crosshairs expand, suggesting there's a higher chance to miss

[sharp bobcat]

ik ik I thought you talked about like some kind of hidden mechanic or something

eitherway I think aiming should be a bit more balanced too

[lethal rover]

Okay

1. I am stupid
2. I think the threshold for effectivly using weapons should be lowered. 5 skill is pretty dang good and it's a shame that non shotgun weapons still kinda suck at that level

[sharp bobcat]

Also another thing. I think it would be pretty cool to have targets to be able to somewhat train aiming. Like sure I could search for some zombies but just using a target would be convenient. Would also be great for bows in the future

A target could even show you the points you got so you can do target shooting with friends

[lethal rover]

please :3

[limber grove]

Still no news abt mp huh? 😭

[solid nebula]

1- Place bottles on a table 2- Shoot them 3- ??? 4- Profit 😉

[sharp bobcat]

I mean it works but a actual target would be great. Maybe a little active minigame or somethin

[crimson isle]

Does this actually give aim skill?

[sharp bobcat]

even if, it would still be a huge waste of bottles

[teal mortar]

nuh uh theres so many

[dry fiber]

Its a pretty substantial trade, 1 potential molotov for 1 bullets worth of aiming xp

[dim nest]

Bottles can’t be that rare

[lethal rover]

shooting already is an active mingame tho

[sharp bobcat]

eh, not really. It's just pointing and clicking on a stationary object there is no skill involved

[sharp bobcat]

this is zomboid my friend...

[lethal rover]

a minigame wouldn't make any sense imo. i mean, yea you're just shooting bottles. could do an "x number shot in y time" sort of challanges rather thansome kind of... arbitrariy minigame

Same feelings towards fishing minigames, if pz had a stardew style fishing minigame i would hate the fuck out of it because it feels like a game, it doesn't feel like fishing.
Same thing with shooting bottles imo

[sharp bobcat]

well this is a game it doesn't have to make sense. And it would btws since shooting a rifle isn't that easy you still gotta stabilize and keep it under control after firing

I mean the hell you want? Click on that target 5 times? oooooh how fun

[lethal rover]

well there's already that mechanic ingame with shooting. Just compete on speed rather than just accuracy and it adds more challange. If chance to damage doesn't succeed, then you failed to shoot the bottle. shrug
tbh, what do you think of the fishing minigame? I love it personally, but it is very simple and probably boring for a lot of people. we could just have different opinions on what's good XD

sure setting up a single target and shooting it would be boring, but setting up 5 targets and testing both speed and accuracy? much better imo

like, if you set up a bunch of maniquinss and practiced getting all headshots in x ammount of time

[sharp bobcat]

accuracy? This is a isometric game there is no accuracy in there. Thats like saying a point and click adventure needs skill

[lethal rover]

there is accuracy. shooting zombies requires player accuracy now

see all my complaining above XD

[sharp bobcat]

you would either have to have parkinson or some other kinda sickness for it to be hard for you

[lethal rover]

dude. come on. i keep saying accuracy and speedy

[sharp bobcat]

it's literally pointing your mouse at a target itÄs literally the same thing you do when navigating a website

[lethal rover]

speed

[sharp bobcat]

well you can do that right now if you find it so interesting. I personally would like a small craftable target stand with some basic minigames like maybe a quick time event thingy

[lethal rover]

difference of opinion then. i fucking hate quicktime events that don't relate to other ingame mechanics

[sharp bobcat]

it is yeah, I find them fun tho.

For example in WWE, hitting those quick time events just felt insanely good

[lethal rover]

🤷‍♂️ I just don't find them as immersive as just using like... the same mechanics that you use to play the rest of the game. idk if i'm explaing it well

[sharp bobcat]

I know what you mean, but if I wanted a point and click adventure I'd play tone in titanfall 2

[lethal rover]

like the difference between fishing in rdr2, and stardew valley. one feels like fishing, and the other feels like a minigame

[sharp bobcat]

or like those really old balloon popper games which were fun for like 2 minutes

[lethal rover]

alas we'll never agree 😛 i'd like my shooting to feel consistant with shooting in the rest of the game, rather than it feeling like a minigame if you get me

[sharp bobcat]

well you can do that already thats why I said a dedicated target

[lethal rover]

yea and that's why i would be against a quicktime minigame

[sharp bobcat]

it is optional like pretty much all other things

[lethal rover]

......so? I'm just saying what i would prefer, same as you.

[sharp bobcat]

theres nothing to prefer tho, what you are describing is perfectly possible already afaik

[lethal rover]

it's not perfectly possible, there is no points system. And just because it's possible doesn't mean i can't oppose the addition of a quicktime minigame

[sharp bobcat]

why would anyone ever oppose a optional system?

[lethal rover]

would you oppose adding rainboww sparkle fairies into zomboid if they're optional?

[sharp bobcat]

And also who needs a points system? You have your brain and 2 (hopefully) functioning eyes. Take glass bottles those should be destroyed when shot

[sharp bobcat]

nope, if I can turn em off I have absoloutely no problem with it

also a terrible example btw

[lethal rover]

well there comes our disagreement then.

[thick hound]

add the ability to wear a backpack on your front instead of your back (takes away front fanny pack slot and back slot) only benifit being you can take things out of the backpack quicker then if it was on your back

[sharp bobcat]

immediate +100 bite/scratch and bullet protection

[solid nebula]

That is very, very unlikely as it would clip with a whole lot of animations

[sharp bobcat]

just treat it like power armor and let us only walk and do nothing else

[thick hound]

backpack armor

[sharp bobcat]

two backpacks and two duffel bags that is maximum mule energy

[sharp bobcat]

put a metal weight inside and you got the ribcage destroyer 9000

[lethal rover]

two backpacks, two duffel bags, an alice harness and a fanny pack between your teeth XD

[stone oak]

Can we add the ability to like roll up your sleeves with the lumberjack shirts and such 🥺

[burnt adder]

unbutton jackets

[dry fiber]

There are spongies clothing mods for that, sort of. Just doesnt seem to work on vanilla clothing, only the versions added by the mod

[prime ledge]

Rolling up sleeves is so easy to add (but very time consuming). IMO vanilla should have it some day, same as many other "cosmetic" things like that. F.e.: tucking pants into butts, untucking shirts from trousers, removing helmet covers from... well, helmets (so that you can wear a solid-color helmet without having to find one that specifically has no cover attached - this would allow for f.e. adding helmet covers as separate items more common than helmets themselves, so that rare helmets (f.e. the old army helmet/M1 helmet) could have more common helmet covers to personalize the item you find), etc. All this is 100% doable, but it does take a significant amount of time.

[hybrid kiln]

one day perhaps

it's a lot of fine details

[prime ledge]

That's the thing, it's all just details - no actual gameplay benefit. In case of the helmet covers I mentioned, it'd require (at least if the devs wanted to do a proper implementation for it) a whole new minisystem that they'd have to balance (f.e. where to spawn helmet covers, their spawn chances, etc.), as well as models for helmet covers in the world (specifically the item on the ground model) - at least implementing attachment of helmet covers can be abstracted into some craft recipe (f.e. "detach helmet cover" -> remove old helmet, give helmet + its cover, "attach helmet cover" -> remove helmet and helmet cover items, give helmet with camo cover attached), and helmets don't take damage so there's little room for bugs here.

[lost shell]

As much of all of that would be awesome, I'd rather know Devs adding mechanics and depth to the gameplay, and spending time in balancing. I'm more than happy to "leave" this cosmetics addition (which are of course very valuable as they add to immersion), to modders.

[teal mortar]

ok but when can my cow wear a summer hat

[dense valley]

poke it with love and a knife, Place Item summer hat on it when it goes to lie down permanently

[teal mortar]

does hitting them with my trailer count as love taps

[dense valley]

like a beloved aunt/grandma who has not seen her grandchildren for a while

a big smooch

[vocal radish]

❤️

[crimson isle]

https://tenor.com/view/any-updates-dave-updates-dave-chappelle-updates-got-anymore-of-them-updates-got-any-updates-gif-10385857936391678287

[granite bloom]

[visual hemlock]

too fast, more cooking time

[lethal rover]

I never knew how much i wanted to dress up my cows in silly hats until now. I want this so bad XD

[modest orbit]

lads is know bug, that i cannot use the sink to make pancakes?

[thick hound]

Allow you to reattach axe heads using a stick and carpentry 1 (turns it into a crude version) “crude fireaxe”

You can use carpentry 1 and a mallet to take axe heads off (handaxe isn’t detachable like a normal axe head so this wouldn’t work on handaxe)

This allows you to use better handles for more durability on the axe and by sharpening the axe head works the same as always depending on the materials used for the handle it will be classified as “crude fireaxe” “Fireaxe” “DIY fireaxe” etc (also add a chance for axeheads to spawn inside of a zomboid without the handle or with a broken handle texture)

Would also allow for improved woodaxes

A woodaxe with a shorter handle would be faster and do less damage to the tree a slightly longer handle would be slower but do more damage and exhaust you quicker

[stone oak]

tbh i wish they buffed the axe head durability in general. I'll have a lumberjack character with level 4+ maintenance and it wears down pretty badly after a couple zomboids 😭

[thick hound]

Axes went from meta to “okay” in b42

[stone oak]

Yeah

They destroyed them 😔

[thick hound]

Add the function of slipping when having the soaking wet moodle + wearing shoes and running (higher chance when sprinting). Inside of a building (minus concrete tiles and tiles with high grip irl)

If i slip and fall and lose it alll will you laugh at meee

[sharp bobcat]

I honestly just use a mod for realistic durability F those playdough ahhhh weapons

[stone oak]

😭

This is fire

[thick hound]

eerie easteregg in westpoint

[timid sigil]

not really an 'easter egg', the initial panic probably had lots of people suffer paranoid hysteria

[manic plume]

Have they added destructible fences yet?

[dry fiber]

Yeah its only chainwire so far though. And takes 50 zombies before it even starts

I set it to 10

[toxic viper]

Never in my life have i tried to continue my survival playthrough after losing my first character

There is just no point spawning a second dude after 2 mouths or something

[strange ridge]

[charred anvil]

Is it worth it to construct the blast furnace? The simple one seems to smelt iron and steel just fine.

[hybrid kiln]

has anyone tested the stone maces yet

how good are they

[visual hemlock]

I only build the simple furnace but the advanced forge is needed to craft the most important stuff

[nimble hollow]

why did my generator disappear? :(

[viral dock]

Probably broke

[hybrid kiln]

it would sooner explode than actually break

[granite bloom]

Yes this

[vocal radish]

😆

[visual hemlock]

updated the new save maybe?

[vocal radish]

Zombie slaying section has all the essentials today

[granite bloom]

Shinies

[vocal radish]

😍

[keen creek]

https://tenor.com/view/update-is-maybe-today-gif-10280981816589226009

Hopium™️

[lethal rover]

I hope the update improves performance 😔 literally just crashed into a pole in LV because of lag/ input delay lol. i'm not coping well.

[willow prawn]

Does your pc meet requirements and you play without any mods?

[keen creek]

I think the stutters and lags will hopefully get fixed once they add back the uncapping fps option

[blazing belfry]

je l'attends avec impatiente cette update

[dusky locust]

this, there is a mod out there to uncap it for now though, I've had no issues using it and it smoothed out my game a lot

and the same for others

[inland parrot]

mp?

[prime ledge]

no

[inland parrot]

[prime ledge]

[visual hemlock]

I'll have some hatchets please, dual wielding

[modest orbit]

i'm curious if they gonna add any predator, those predators will hunt the animals around the map?

[lethal rover]

Unfortunately it didn’t help all that much/ at all for me

[dusky locust]

Ah that might be related to something else then, hopefully it smoothes things out for you then

[lethal rover]

fingers crossed!

[keen creek]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-evil-scheme-futurama-hmm-gif-12179860950666162212

[teal mortar]

i wish these had funny covers we could see like fliers

[lost shell]

modders will do that. B42 has added a lot of content, but more than content, it added framework for new crazy mods. Can't wait to see an underground system as modded map, for instance.

[sharp bobcat]

I wish there would be collectable poster likr subnautica

[lost shell]

B42 modding scene will be insane

[visual hemlock]

people are resting, it's Sunday, no updates to SI

but nonetheless I hope you prove me wrong 😛

[teal mortar]

awh yeah!! i loved collecting those

[visual hemlock]

I'm craving to start a new run also afraid if it will still work when the new update drops

[lost shell]

on the fence too. It's been a couple weeks since last update...not sure wrth investing time in a new run now

I'm using this time to mess with sandbox settings and make my next run exactly the way I want it to be (changes putting stuff upside down notwithstanding)

[prime ledge]

You do realize we can already make mods for B42, right? And that includes underground maps, with the right tools

For now the real issue is the lack of people working on mods, but the possibilities are 100% there

[supple moth]

yeah i messed around with adding new types of custom literature, its relatively easy to do

so i would really be surprised if noone is going to do it

[lost shell]

Mapping modding tools for B42 haven'e been released yet. Also, yes I do realise that, but I also realise that modders won't mess as much with mods in early stages of a new build development. Just look at the workshop. Only a fraction of *existing *B41 mods have been ported to B42. That says the story

All I'm saying is that B42 is opening up new modding possibilities (i.e. the flyers that have been mentioned above). But for vast majority of modders game is still a. too unstable to make worth the time investment or b. still lacks official modding tools (maps)

[prime ledge]

Are you suuure that there aren't mapping tools for B42? 😏

'Cause I know of a place to get them

[lost shell]

Pretty confident TIS haven't released them yet

[supple moth]

they are on github, they work but are experimental, there have been maps built with them already

[prime ledge]

That's right, but there is an unofficial version of the tools (which is plain out better than any standard/official version)

[prime ledge]

Yup

[supple moth]

but its also been like what, 3-4months, creating maps and large mods really takes time

[teal mortar]

just would be neat for vanilla, i dont use mods on unstable

[lost shell]

Yeah... Of all modding, mapping is one of the most time consuming aspects. If I were a mapper, I would not waste a moment playing with unofficial unstable tools for an unstable branch 😆

[prime ledge]

Indeed, any mapping project will take at the VERY least a couple of months if it's really a proper map

[teal mortar]

alot of the comic titles are so funny , would be neat to see their art for that

[prime ledge]

I literally have a project going with the unofficial tools right now 😂

[supple moth]

they are a fork of the original tools, just compiled and given extra functionality that are nice to have for mappers, but might not be needed for people that professionally work with these tools and have other solution internally

[prime ledge]

There aren't any truly significant changes to mapping in B42, so I'm doing stuff I'll 100% be able to reuse when B42 stable is released (things like buildings, base map image, etc.)

[lost shell]

Good! If you're doing it conscious of the fact that you may need to change quite a bit when official tols release, happy you wanna go for it 😉

[supple moth]

i could imagine that this is something that might come later when most of the build is finished as "nice to have"

[lost shell]

Probably not a whole lot if you're not planning a map on top of procedurally generated terrain, I guess 🙂

[visual hemlock]

no, not worth it, not until 7.0 drops it will most likely break the save or make some items vanish etc

[lost shell]

I agree. But hell, Im so ready for 42.7 😄

[prime ledge]

I'm doing a small, standalone map, so proc-gen terrain is really not a concern for me (+ I've no idea how the system works so yeah)

I'm practically ignoring that aspect at this moment

[lost shell]

Fair 🙂 as long as you're doing a B41 style map No tall buildings or deep underground system, you should be golden 😉

[visual hemlock]

did they say anything about the mapping tools?

[prime ledge]

I'm actually planning to have very tall buildings - I already have 1 "skeleton" building like that, which has about 15 aboveground and 2 underground floors (don't know what I'll use the underground floors for just yet, but they are there)

[supple moth]

nothing official yet, just the unofficial compiled forks floating around

[prime ledge]

Nothing official as of now, they'll come out when B42 goes stable

[supple moth]

...i do know that the ramp tiles are already in the game...

you just sadly wouldnt get vehicle spawning down there yet

[prime ledge]

Underground parking lot? Now that's a nice idea

[prime ledge]

... unfortunately, yes

[visual hemlock]

ahh the wait continues....

[prime ledge]

Also my map has an aboveground highway planned out, but I won't be including it until aboveground car spawning is in the game (so that I can add some traffic jams to it)

[visual hemlock]

I saw some maps for b42, new maps and I was thinking they're out but now that you mentioned the forked ones, that's what they have been using...

[supple moth]

maybe a fallen survivers shelter that used the underground garage as a place of storage and maybe a little mechanics shop? could be used as a tie in as to why there would be no cars down there

[prime ledge]

Indeed, all we can work with right now are unofficial forks

[visual hemlock]

can you update the RV interior mod with those?

[prime ledge]

I mean, the building is under construction in-lore (quite literally an eternal skeleton building), so no car spawns there just yet 100% makes sense. My biggest issue is with the highway I had in mind, which I won't include until aboveground car spawning is added.

[cobalt apex]

I think I asked nasko once and he said there will be more predator animals

[modest orbit]

Mostly because now i am 8 months in the apocalypse and i have storms of rabbits running around my base but like groups of 20/25😂😂😂

[stone oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1307067906625900614/1347524346570211391/fat_beautiful_rabbit.gif

[modest orbit]

i am the only one that hens doesn't produce eggs?

they are well feed, and looks like they don't eat or drink

but they are well feed and not thirsty

[hoary crystal]

Not likely. If it has mapping related stuff you’d need the original mapping files from the author.

[visual hemlock]

hmm, I'll check it out later anyway

[dim nest]

thats a new one!

[crimson isle]

https://tenor.com/view/body-be-ready-gif-26814220

[lethal rover]

well i'm glad i can pull the animal trailer at all but... it's like towing a balloon. take a corner at 30kmph and the thing flips lmao

[turbid rose]

that one mod that adds immersive electronic's hud?? holy moly banger mod.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3420581050

[lost shell]

Yes I am aware and it's part of my collection 😉

That's what I meant by B42 adding framework for modders. Video support wasn't a thing in B41

[visual hemlock]

very nice mod

a little unrealistic for the 90's but good overall

[cobalt apex]

This probably gonna be a big patch

[visual hemlock]

hope they hear you

fingers crossed

[crimson isle]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-happy-shaq-today-dance-gif-14652418