42.4.1 UNSTABLE Released

[upbeat summit]

right click an object on the ground #1346615291429392384 message

[tranquil ginkgo]

Can we smelt down jewelry, to make weapons out of these soft materials?

[jolly sparrow]

No

[tranquil ginkgo]

Awww.

[jolly sparrow]

You can make other jewelry however iirc

[tranquil ginkgo]

Then I have no use for these gold and silver bars

No, literally no use.

[final portal]

you can make almost everything just like with usual iron

[tranquil ginkgo]

Hmmm. Really?

Then I just wanted to craft/smelt golden weapons.

[final portal]

i have used a bar to barricade a window

from jewelry

[tranquil ginkgo]

That's not what I wanted to do. :/

[final portal]

a golden katana

[tranquil ginkgo]

I would love to make some golden daggers

Katana cannot be smelted from.

If I recalled.

[maiden epoch]

I dont think i can stress how awful a golden blade would be haha

They would break and bend immediately, theyre very malleable

[tranquil ginkgo]

I just wanted to make them

Swing the blade, gift the blade

Makes multiplayer roleplaying more honorable.

[final portal]

a golden longsword then

[dreamy lantern]

s-so minecraftr was right all this tijme...

[fallow pewter]

Is the new trait "Inventive" as good as it seems?

[dreamy lantern]

yes!!! literally +1 to all the crafting stuff

[fleet onyx]

Anyone know the closest military area to riverside?

[fallow pewter]

So it's incredible and is gonna get mega nerfed? Nice

[queen drum]

I did get the option to melt it down using propane torch, but a lot of jewelry to do so

[echo drift]

i wish there was a renewable way to weld in this game

[tranquil ginkgo]

That's what the Blacksmithing is used for.

Eventually, you wane off of welding, and you go straight to Blacksmithing.

[echo drift]

Oh

[tranquil ginkgo]

That's why you don't get unlimited propane tanks.

But blacksmithing is renewable and unlimited.

[patent eagle]

is plumbing back?

[fleet onyx]

In theory you could run out of
Metal lol but I guess you can smelt weapons zombies spawn stabbed with

[tranquil ginkgo]

I believed you can also forage for scrap metals

[full jacinth]

there will be ore nodes as well, they showed a picture of one a while back

[fleet onyx]

Oh yes that’s right cool

[tranquil ginkgo]

Check last patch note. #patchnotes

Oh wow, this is a big PSA. https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1j3w6lh/424_psa_do_not_drink_from_water_pumps_they_are/

[candid cloak]

yup, they are also already in the tiles file

just not implemented in the game

[mint canyon]

they said there would be infinite procedurally generated forest, right? Is that implemented?

[full jacinth]

not yet

[slate dagger]

I thought it is

Maybe not in a final state but it is

[slate dagger]

In the context of the game, welding is a thing of the past, as it is a modern technology bound line of work. Blacksmithing was added to slowly replace welding as you progress further into the save

[fleet onyx]

Is the angle headed light the only one that can clip on the alice belt?

[viscid egret]

anyone else unable to make clay cement bucket?

this was fixed before

[dreamy lantern]

but isnt welding really hard to develop?

like skill wise

[viscid egret]

Found a fix for this issue temporarily:

remove "-fluid 10.0 [Water;TaintedWater]," from all recipes in recipe_buckets.txt. This enables the recipe to function

[slate dagger]

the welding skill? Its definitely a bit limited,i think, but so are some other skills, such as knapping

the less options there is for a 0 skill character to earn xp for that specific skill, the harder and more tedious it'll be

skills such as electronics aren't too bad though cuz you can earn xp just through disassembling everything electronic you come across

clocks, radios, walkie talkies, calculators, other junk

from a realistic point of view though i can def see welding being much more difficult to become adept at when starting from scratch as opposed to more primitive stuff like wood carving

certified welders, doctors, engineers, mechanics, all these would be considered very valuable people in a post apocalypse

[ivory moat]

Eh, they are still annoying. Each skill should have an actual use from level 0 so it's more fun to grind since we can actually do stuff with it

[slate dagger]

realistically doesnt make sense to know how to construct a makeshift electronic device when being completely unknowledgeable though

[ivory moat]

Mhm sure but I can learn it by dismanteling stuff...

Or how I perfectly know every single car part and their exact condition

Again this game is not 100% realistic there are many unrealistic elements

[jolly sparrow]

UPDATE for the water trough fix

Seems like if you add food then add water it fixes the values.

works every time

Furthermore, the water taint seems to be specifically a tarp construction issue.

I replaced my tarp barrel collector with a garbage barrel collector in debug and the water is fine now.

https://tenor.com/view/starman-superman-hero-starman-superman-gif-5670562936153558097

[ivory moat]

Interesting, thanks for the info

Now my chicken don't need to dehydrate

[torpid relic]

for welding you do need a torch, mask and maybe copious amounts of propane but to get started all you need to do is disassemble car wrecks

[slate dagger]

what are you trying to say

[midnight phoenix]

Barbed wire baseball bat when?

We can put barbed wire in a broom but why we can't put it on a baseball bat?

Who tf puts barbed wire in a broom?

[echo drift]

do you know if animals can drink from rain collectors

I had a cow dying of thirst and i think he drank from it

not sure though

[jolly sparrow]

Possibly?

Probably not.

[slate dagger]

this is the same thought i had earlier

If we can wrap barbed wire around a broom, we can definitely wrap it around a bat item too

atleast now you can also reinforce it with tin cans which increases durability and damage slightly

[fleet onyx]

My running theory is AMC trademarked barbed wire baseball bats through the walking dead lmao

[slate dagger]

nah thats stupid

you cant trademark something like that

very vague

indiestone just for some reason decined not to add it (yet)

even though a baseball bat is probably the first thing someone would put barbed wire on

[fleet onyx]

should have said /s lol

[ivory moat]

Thats what throughs are for

[fleet onyx]

After tin cans you can learn the sheet metal baseball bat which is the best long blunt weapon in the game atm, but I use the long mace cause its drippier lol

[echo drift]

yeah but rain collectors hold 4x the amount of Welded Troughs

[ivory moat]

Rain collector are unreachable for animals. It wouldn't make sense if they could drink from it

[echo drift]

Aw

[ivory moat]

Then just build more or just take the water from the raincollector and fill the throughs up

[slate dagger]

o yeah, i actually meet the skill requirement for that and i have all the necessary components (including an extra wooden baseball bat) so i'll do that after i return from my (hopefully) fruitful raid to the local gas station

carpenter profession my beloved

[jolly sparrow]

Bro doesn't know about game copyrights xdddd

Behold, patented dialogue wheel.

Anyhow, this is irrelevant to the patch chat, so won't bring it up in here.. . . ||(any more)||

[ruby fox]

I woke up at 11.10 this morning

[ruby fox]

Chads

[midnight phoenix]

Not exactly. There's barbed wire bats in Dead Island too

[midnight phoenix]

I remember PUBG tried to sue another game because the frying pan used as a weapon

But Team Fortress 2 did it first

[fleet onyx]

It was 100% a joke haha but I wouldn't put it past them to try. I feel like barbed wire bat has been a weapon for so long

[midnight phoenix]

I have one in my house myself to deal with robbers

[mint canyon]

the "need surface" requirement is really crippling if you live in the woods. I know you can use boulders as surfaces, but it's still unreasonably difficult to do something simple like assemble a stone axe

[fleet onyx]

Hey if you are the magic writing man who writes things for the game, I like the things that you write!

[midnight phoenix]

Would be cool if you could crouch and the floor becaming the surface required

[midnight phoenix]

You're one fr

[midnight phoenix]

Oblivion was released in 2006... And this game have that Dialogue Wheel mechanic...

This smells Bethesda for me

[slate dagger]

I can make a barbed wire bat at home. Does that make it a copyright infringement, even when it looks completely different to one from a specific movie/game?

[midnight phoenix]

I can name my child "Mario" and Nintendo will sue me?

[tranquil ginkgo]

Undead deer, hooray!

Project Zomboid is now a horror game.

[mint canyon]

you should be able to sit on the ground and maybe just make it take twice as long to use the floor

[jolly sparrow]

Yeah

Nintendo sent lawyers to some Brazilian dude's house

[tranquil ginkgo]

Did you not hear the legendary Luigi?

[midnight phoenix]

#FreeLuigi

[slate dagger]

yeah but thats reaching the extremes of the paranoia and greed that companies can get to

[midnight phoenix]

I would show them our famous "trezoitão"

[slate dagger]

even still, imagine if nintendo tried to sue every guy called mario in existence, or patented the name 💀
they'd probably do that if they had the money

[jolly sparrow]

Rule of thumb, a corporation never has the consumers interest in mind.

They must be dragged screaming and kicking by law.

[slate dagger]

still dont see how a barbed wire bat would be copyright infringement on anything

maybe if you make it look exactly like that one iconic bat from the walking dead

but that would be obviously deliberate

[midnight phoenix]

I just want to wear a leather jacket, a red scarf and blow some zombos heads

[jolly sparrow]

Mcdonalds tried to sue macdonalds in the UK iirc which is where the name originates from

[slate dagger]

just because you can sue dont mean its immediately copyright infringement

its just people being greedy idiots

[jolly sparrow]

They sued on copyright lol

[slate dagger]

no idea what your point is

[jolly sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-smiling-kitten-kawaii-gif-2742547656233150604

Lucille ™️ is copyrighted

It's over for u, vro...

They're sending hitmen to ur house to silence u

[mystic leaf]

this pops up on my screen when i try to drink water form o sink, any fix?

[tranquil ginkgo]

Send your save file to the devs on the forum. ZIP it up nicely.

Sounds like your bug is unique to your game save.

[gusty hound]

What's in your inventory? How many bottles and what they're holding? Looks similar to one we already identified

[mystic leaf]

2 bottles, one bottle with soda and one with water

both in inventory not in the backpack

[gusty hound]

Not the same case, that error seems related to items that can be washed actually

[mystic leaf]

you are right

[gusty hound]

Are you using amod to wash clothes or something like that? The file in your screenshot isn't from the game. My suggestion is to turn that off if that's the case, you no longer need it

[mystic leaf]

i took down my clothes and now i can acces the sink

il put on the clothes piece by piece and see wich one of them gives the error

thats the only loot that i have in my inventory and it gives me the error

[tranquil ginkgo]

Is it a modded loot?

[mystic leaf]

@gusty hound the leather gloves give the error

[mystic leaf]

no

i only equiped the leather gloves and right clicked the sink

[tranquil ginkgo]

Have you made sure you disabled all mods, and the leather glove still triggers the error?

[mystic leaf]

and it gives me the error

[tranquil ginkgo]

Once we excluded any mods, then yeah it is a legitimate bug.

[mystic leaf]

only have the lifestyle mod

[tranquil ginkgo]

You gotta disable that mod

[mystic leaf]

il try on a fresh save

[tranquil ginkgo]

Ok

[mystic leaf]

looks like it was because of the mod, ty

didnt think it has anything to do with clothes

it only does animations

[tranquil ginkgo]

This is why we don't trust mods. Bugs will occur.

In unexpected places, too.

[mint canyon]

living in the woods is decently enjoyable, but there's still a lot to be desired.

My biggest two problems are the "surface required" and "needs light" requirements. You should be able to craft on the ground and in the dark, just slower and maybe a higher chance of failing

im just saying i could definitely bundle 4 logs or assemble an axe in pitch black darkness

[fleet onyx]

Anyone know what counts as roofed area for animals? This doesn't seem to cut it

[jolly sparrow]

for the surface you can take a log and turn it into a trunk-surface iirc

or something along those lines

[ivory moat]

pretty sure "roofed" doesn't even exist in game. It's either inside or outside

so what you want is a actual room

[tranquil ginkgo]

A pre-built building with a roof or a patio.

Anything else cannot be used as a roof to make the zone marked as a roofed area.

[fleet onyx]

Well poop, player made ones wont work eh

[tranquil ginkgo]

Send feedback to devs

[fleet onyx]

yeah I will for sure

[tranquil ginkgo]

We can request for them to make it work

[fleet onyx]

does it uh... matter anyway? Will they get sick in the rain?

[tranquil ginkgo]

It might...

We don't know if the animals will get sick / ill.

And the animal husbandry system isn't complete yet.

Devs are just focused on something else.

[tranquil ginkgo]

What if you de-zone it, then re-zone it?

If it still doesn't detect it, then yeah, I guess the game hasn't had support for player-made objects.

[jolly sparrow]

not true

it needs support + an actual roof on top

I have a 'room' / barn missing 2/4 walls but since it's fully covered up it means it's roofed

[ivory moat]

Ah, I just heard that roofs don't actually do anything since only "inside" areas block rain and stuff

[slate dagger]

the system's a tad outdated

same with plumbing / electricity

[upbeat summit]

Don't you need a saw? Can't make a flint saw without a surface. You have to start with one of the big boulders.

[tranquil ginkgo]

Flint saws don't cut logs

No point in doing so

I don't know what that item does.

[upbeat summit]

You need a saw to build the chopping block surface Almahr was talking about, a flint saw works for that

hmm, you can use a flint saw to turn a copper saucepan into scraps, but not saw a log?

Looks like it's limited to some bone carving, making traps, wooden armor, a few other wooden items, sawing large branches and scrapping copper

[fleet onyx]

is there a bonesaw?

[haughty latch]

I know you might not like this answer so much but for a temporary fix. I do believe the tile at the top of the staircase counts as a roof tile so which means you need many staircases. I know its stupid but the only fix I know.

[haughty latch]

I just checked it and it does work

[fleet onyx]

Lmao wow

[midnight marsh]

Two story buildings. Tested it out one of my runs, built a two story and it counted as all roofed

[fleet onyx]

Oh ok these are good tips. Did anyone find out if it actually matters for the animal?

[balmy sable]

animals still immortal?

[haughty latch]

certain animals get stressed without shelter like cows and I think sheep. Which can lead to animals attacking you or spilling your milk that you get from them. But they only gain stress without shelter while during a storm.

[tranquil ginkgo]

Ohhh, I get why now. Your stairs are put outside of the zoned area (your fenced-in area). From there, if your ceilings don't have any support underneath it, it's not a "roof".

You have to put the stairs inside the zoned area.

[modest flame]

I ran some rabbits over earlier

They haven’t gotten back up yet

[balmy sable]

i mean the animals around the map they still surviving for months?

my last run in 42 i played for months and the animals in the farms around survived without diyng for starvation

[modest flame]

I assume the animals aren’t technically “there” until you load the chunk they’re in if that’s what you mean

[tranquil ginkgo]

Probably not without the latest update.

[balmy sable]

no no they were in a farm near where i had my base and so they were in the same cell and they survived for month even without food

[balmy sable]

so that mean they die now?

[fleet onyx]

Oh really? But the floors had support with the wall and the posts there doesn't that count

I can try to rebuild but put the stairs inside this time?

[upbeat summit]

were they not just eating grass?

[balmy sable]

nope it was a field of only dirt and i took out all the food to see if they die or not

[tranquil ginkgo]

Yes, put the stairs inside.

[tranquil ginkgo]

Probably. I don't know.

[worldly slate]

Is there a way to select 42.3.1 instead of 42.4.1? The newest update brickedmy mods

[sinful raven]

cope

[mint canyon]

wait. you cant cut logs with a flint saw?

isnt that the entire point of having a saw?

[woven pike]

You can use a flint saw to disassemble furniture

[mint canyon]

what furniture

i live in the freaking woods

[woven pike]

Sounds like a you problem :þ

[worldly slate]

Unmodded, tried uninstalling and reinstalling. Not sure whats causing error count to climb infinitely / having a glitched out health box.

[tranquil ginkgo]

Yeah, unfortunately. Flint saws are just small paring knife-sized saws.

[tranquil ginkgo]

Set yourself to Debug Mode, and then check to see if you have any info properties where you get a NaN.

[lone iris]

how's the controller support with fishing??

[final portal]

yes it's purpose is for wilderness survivals

[solid kindle]

Change the sidebar thing in ui settings

[surreal hawk]

in some rows world just start working after 3 unsucsessful attempts of launching. How? idk

[stray hollow]

bUCKET BROKEN

[balmy sable]

I am sorry for my ignorance, someone can explain to me what is this rmc 3d for precise positioning?

[wary ember]

Right click on a placed item , u will get an option to change the item precisely

[balmy sable]

U mean rhe small ui for xyz axis?

[wary ember]

Yes

[balmy sable]

Ahhhh ok thank u!

I tried is amazing but a bit annoying cause everytime u use that object reset to the original position they should allow the item to keep the new stance

[wary ember]

Yeah maybe its a wip , hope that gets added too

[balmy sable]

It will be fire to have standing objects or for keep weapons and tools on the rack

[wary ember]

Yeah its already a very cool addition but maybe not fully complete or implemented

[hoary warren]

rabies from the raccoons

[wary ember]

Does anybody else also have the ISHealthPanel.lua spam error ?

Someone already reported it and mentioned a solution by changing a context in ISHealth.lua file , but his solution didn’t work for me

[celest edge]

Speaking of the advanced placement, is it meant that the Z value is the y axis? Or is it some weird isometric thing I don’t understand lol

[celest edge]

Not sure what that is

Can’t open the health panel? Any mods? New or old save?

[wary ember]

I found that the only way to stop the errors from popping up is that when starting a save or a world u should not have the health panel open , only the health panel being open starts the errors to occur and changing the panel to info , protection and other panels stops the errors , so the only way to stop the errors is when starting or entering a save change the health panel to other panels and then re-enter the save

[wary ember]

No mods

[celest edge]

🤔 weird. Will likely get fixed in the next patch

Part of the fun of unstable lol

[wary ember]

u can check the forums for bug report , someone else also mentioned it

[celest edge]

I’ll try that later, not home rn

[wary ember]

Yeah i think it will be another hotfix hopefully

[slate dagger]

Hello, is there currently any way to create makeshift lighting that can light up the inside of a built structure?

i remember trying it with a lantern a few patches ago but it didnt work

[slate dagger]

I'll take that as a no

[low scarab]

I would be so skibidi sigma to get that rizzing MP patch

[slate dagger]

maybe in a few months

[tranquil ginkgo]

We'll see you skibideeing around December 31 2025. ™️

[low scarab]

I cant wait that slaying long

[tranquil ginkgo]

That's the neat part. You do.

[hasty ingot]

use error magnifier mod so see what's causing the error

[fleet onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/npc-gif-26556764

[ivory flume]

Dear developers, How many times have I written about you changing the color or quality in your game title! It burns out pixels on my monitor and the game title on the left then stays on my monitor screen for a while.The same problem will occur if you keep the game paused for more than 10 minutes by pressing the button "ESC" Because of this problem, I can't enjoy the game properly.

[slate dagger]

what are you talking about

seems like your pc issue

[ivory flume]

Recently I started to notice that the game name when in the menu becomes brighter and brighter with every minute and after some time (about 5-10 minutes) on a black background when I am not in the game I see the game name Which was reflected on the monitor matrix

[mint crypt]

Std lib

[solid kindle]

thats a monitor issue

[ivory flume]

But I haven't seen anything like this in any other programs or games.

[tranquil ginkgo]

White on black static images will do that.

Especially in the game menu where the screen refreshes at max FPSs.

You need to limit them to 60 FPS, or less.

[ivory flume]

I already have everything at 60 fps.

[tranquil ginkgo]

hmmm

Time for a screen monitor upgrade.

[solid kindle]

look up your model / troubleshoot and see if there is any similarities from people that use the same model as you

my monitor has pixel refresh which helps with that, maybe yours has something similar?

[ivory flume]

I don't really understand this so it would be hard for me to say.

[ivory flume]

I don't think there's any point in changing something because of such a small thing.

[solid kindle]

oh shit that was for oled monitor too btw lol , if you don have a oled i dunno

[tranquil ginkgo]

Then you will have to live with the issue.

[ivory flume]

The inscription disappears after a while. The problem is not critical but it adds discomfort.

Thank you for your help.

[blissful patio]

b42 mp gameplay would be amazing fr

https://tenor.com/view/angai313-spongebob-sad-spongebob-crying-gif-21679826

[haughty brook]

Anyone tested how exactly newest patch balanced butchering?

[ivory moat]

I hope they didn't butcher it

[lavish sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-981722498045184172

[haughty brook]

I just wanna know if butchering was balanced for the better, more meat and/or calories 😄

minus roadkill that got nerfed hard

[ivory moat]

As if it obliterating my engine wasn't enough of a nerf already

[haughty brook]

I loved hunting deer with a car, a full family of deer is plenty of meat even if it cannot sustain my weight, but now if proper hunting gives you quality meat with the calories that'd be nice

[ivory moat]

Roadkill got nerfed not normal hunting buffed

[haughty brook]

that would be odd given butchering balance was mentioned twice in separate occasion and road kill part was entirely elsewhere in the notes

[ivory moat]

I could be wrong but iirc roadkill was the only note mentioning meat quality

[haughty brook]

balance can refer to other things too, but guess someone will come by the revelation of the truth

[ivory moat]

Hopefully

[haughty brook]

also time since death affects the quality and state, too

[hearty coral]

The newest console update for 42 breaks being able to split screen with controllers, very sad..

[tranquil ginkgo]

Anyone gave it a go?

I only saw Retanaru doing it, and said butchering is worse than the previous patch.

[night radish]

Is the stubble option in character selection broken for anyone else?

[sonic cedar]

Carved buckets of cement are somehow broken again after being fixed

[ionic vale]

I was planning on playing this long weekend but my game keeps crashing and zombies are spawning inside my house. Anyone else having this happen?

[night radish]

I hate eagle eyed zombies being possible in apocalypse

It’s so frustrating when you get spotted from miles away and get swarmed as soon as you exit a building

[outer marten]

“Man i hate having zombies have good vision which i toggled on purposely”

[slate dagger]

So true

Meanwhile i have zombie toughness, navigation, memory and vision set to random

Paranoia simulator

[midnight marsh]

It's not supported. Still have to use m/KB to fish and farm

[final portal]

roadkills dont weild same amount of meat as butchered animals on the hook

if the animal has been dead for some time, the meat will be poorly cut and low in weight

beside some line saying balanced butchering further

we don't know

and that line was thrown in for laughts I believe cauz it doesn't tell us anything to be honest

and butchering an animal on the hook will grant better cuts and high weight meats

always butcher them on a hook

at butchering 7 and above, you will.get some great results

[earnest turtle]

I want Project Zomboid to survive as long as possible

This marvel of a game

Shouldn't end up forgotten

[final portal]

why would it end up forgotten ? the game has been in EA since the birth of time and the player base keeps increasing as they push out builds so I don't see that happening in the near future

[slate dagger]

yeah there isnt really quite anything like PZ lol

as tortuous the waiting is for new patches, it is always worth it

[fleet onyx]

Theres actually still a bug with the hook that causes some animals to yield less. Seems to be if the animal is very big because it gets resize to fit the ui of the hook and the meat reduced. look at this side by side of the exact same cow in a copy of a save butchered on the ground vs hook :

[ivory moat]

That doesn't keep it from getting forgotten

[steady fjord]

Bro I need multiplayer so me and my gf can steal raccoons from the woods and keep them as pets

[haughty brook]

treat your gf well so she'll be there in 6 months when MP gets here

[tropic dove]

maybe bait them or some sort?

[tropic dove]

what? He literally said in apocalypse. they're random either almost blind or eagle eyed. (or just normal)

[tropic dove]

6 months😭

[haughty brook]

better set expectations low for less disappointment, it took a year to bring B41 MP since unstable, so 9 months in total for B42 is an improvement

[tropic dove]

i started playing when b41 already had multiplayer and i gotta tell you that b42 is just hard. I'm only a beginner but amount of zombies seems like way too high

not even amount of zombies, the time when you get exhausted is (with max strength and 8 fitness)

[haughty brook]

the zeds sure are a proper horde especially at any location with guns. Muscle strain at lower weapon skill and strenght makes sure you are not the Doom Slayer at the start

I could kill plenty of zeds at weapon skill 5 (with just 4 strenght, fitness affects exhaustion, not muscle strain)

[tropic dove]

but i still wish they'd buff stamina our character has.

[haughty brook]

at that point I'd be more afraid of massive weight loss than stamina, more zeds you kill, the more calories you burn and more food and butter/fish/rabbit you need

[tropic dove]

don't really think that's a problem

[haughty brook]

I get tired after playing football with wife's lil sis for 5 mins, I sure as fuck can't swing a big weapon at humans for hours

[tropic dove]

like actually i REALLY like this game but the default difficulty makes me sad as a beginner

[haughty brook]

sandbox is what I play always, so you can ensure your experience is per your expectations

[tropic dove]

game is realistic but there should be fun since overrealistic games are just obnoxious

[tropic dove]

I play sandbox, too but with minor changes

so i'm basically playing apocalypse

[haughty brook]

suppose the "intended experience" is bit hard for beginners, especially in b42

but then at least there's options to disagree with the intended gameplay

[tropic dove]

yeah but i like it more if default setting is kind of friendly to guys who wants to chill or beginners.

i mean pretty hard but not like real hardcore

[haughty brook]

I find sandbox more realistic because I can pretend to be a scientist and try to imagine a far more realistic zombie apocalypse, to a degree. Real zombie apocalypse as per Knox Virus is just not possible so there's always limits 😄

[tropic dove]

i mean even when there were only teasers of b42 we could already see that in unpopular locations the amount of zombies doubled or tripled

[haughty brook]

just go to Guns Unlimited and you'll find out the zombies are unlimited there too

on 1x population...

16x would be hilarious

[slate dagger]

you can make it more fun for yourself if needed. Theres tons of sandbox settings

[tropic dove]

like who in their right mind will go to the closed store in zombie apocalypse with nothing but watches on their hand

[slate dagger]

Personally i turn off zombie respawns and only make the infection transfer through bites

[haughty brook]

I heard americans really love their 2nd amendment

[tropic dove]

I know, but i want the default to be easier than now, even though they wanted to make it harder

[slate dagger]

a fair request, but it might stay that way

[haughty brook]

Devs probably have no intention to make it easier since everyone will just point at Sandbox mode, some games are "meant" to be hard

[tropic dove]

but as we can see no one got inside so what's the purpose to go into a horde of zombie with literally nothing and die there

[haughty brook]

Dark Souls won't be made easier because some people can't handle it, why should PZ

[slate dagger]

It is my belief that there probably isnt much incentive to really dig into it and tweak the "gamemode" presets because the game relies so heavily on its sandbox aspect

Though it'd be nice if some attention was diverted to that

[haughty brook]

no one sane will judge anyone playing on whatever settings after all, fun triumphs over prestige of doing something harder

[tropic dove]

bad comparison. Dark souls IS a hardcore game while PZ is a REALISTIC game.

[slate dagger]

its a hardcore realistic game, but not full-on realistic, it's not all black & white like that

[haughty brook]

but PZ Is still early access, ergo devs can decide to make PZ a hardcore game. And we DO have permadeath...Dark Souls does not 😄

[tropic dove]

that's what i was saying a lot

[slate dagger]

nothing ever is

[tropic dove]

yeah cuz if they'd make it over realistic no one would ever play it

[haughty brook]

realistically a Knox Virus infection would not reanimate the dead at all, and even if, zeds would die in few weeks to starvation (no energy, not possible to move and have functional muscles) or would just wither to bones by time or animal predation (humans without intelligence are not an apex predator once wildlife realizes they're pretty simple snack that does not predate on non-humans)

but thats a discussion that is pointless because PZ is a game

Realism is a fun word, but no game can fully be realistic!

[slate dagger]

I always thought project zomboid's preset gamemodes are bullshit-levels of unfair so i tweaked the settings to be more fair

[echo drift]

skill issue

[slate dagger]

I lowered the muscle strain multiplier slightly, turned off respawns (it makes no sense for zombies to magically spawn out of thin air + zombie migration was improved, so zombies gradually accumulate into large hordes overtime and those hordes move places)

[tropic dove]

I mean b41 apocalypse was perfect. even like that people still died no matter how pro they were🤷‍♂️

[slate dagger]

not perfect to me

[haughty brook]

But would respawn just mean zeds migrate to Kentucky from other states, as you have a magical barrier preventing you from going out of Kentucky?

[slate dagger]

in B41 i lowered the starting and peak population as well, it just wasnt great to play

in B42 its much better as zombie distribution is an actual thing, so i didnt change that, i think

[slate dagger]

I dont like the idea of it because i want to feel the satisfaction as i slowly but surely clear the areas of any zeds, one block at a time

[haughty brook]

sometimes zeds feel like the wind, the moment a zedless vacuum appears, they start pinpoint-migrating to the vacuum to fill it again, which usually is my base 😄

[tropic dove]

uhh it's actually pretty great since if you're playing in summer just 2-3 mollies and there you got -300, -400 zombies if not more

but a downside is that fire can destroy stuff you wanted

[slate dagger]

if youre talking about B41 that doesnt change the fact that zombies were all over the place

[haughty brook]

I think someone made it work by constructing massive walls out of render/chunk/cell whatever and zeds could not ever respawn-populate a big area because once out of sight, they cannot destroy a wall

[slate dagger]

i am very much thankful that in B42 you dont have random hordes living in the forest

[tropic dove]

b42

[haughty brook]

funnily enough I'm waiting for stable B42 more than MP, MP means friends wanna play with me, but I wanna save a specific playthrough for solo

[slate dagger]

thats a cheesy way to do it

[haughty brook]

and I wanna play PZ when I feel like it, not when friends can

[slate dagger]

just turn down the settings

does anyone main the rosewood map spawn when playing?

there's this court building next to the police station on the edge of the town and its actually crazy how many zeds are near/in there

[haughty brook]

spawn near fire station, sneak in, find 0 axes, vacate the premises, go school for books, find car, leave Rosewood

[slate dagger]

on normal zombie population settings ive definitely had a few dozen zombies near the police station and the fire station but the mf rosewood bank and

the large building, they had so many zeds

they just kept coming, i definitely spent a whole ingame day or two trying to clear it all out

still am

[tropic dove]

what's your time ratio

[slate dagger]

ok to be fair my day is twice as long as it is normally

theres not that many settings i change but the day lenght is one of them

since it wasnt still a huge-enough horde of zombies that i were engaging, the two molotovs i made (for the first time ever!!) didnt actually work all that well, they probably killed a dozen or two but the rest of the fires consumed the police station LMAO

thankfully i've already looted its insides so nothing was lost

[slate dagger]

i found around 10 axes/hatchets total, a few crowbars and a lot of other tools

but i generally play the game on day-one, with 2 weeks left before electricity and water stopping
and the loot tables remain unchanged

still, the zombie population here is relatively tame (?)

I've gone through 80% of rosewood and i only have like 700 kills

it'll likely be around 1200 once i'm fully done. i'm not being too pessimistic

[haughty brook]

b42 has been very axe-poor for me, no fire station ever had a single axe (extremely rare loot setting)

I often end up using a hatchet/crude axe to cut trees

[slate dagger]

okay well when you have it set to extremely rare, no wonder
I havent really ever touched loot settings so i dont know what the chances of finding this stuff are in practice, especially when set to extremely rare

[haughty brook]

insanely rare is the lowest (bar none)

I am a loot goblin, if you give me abundant loot, I will never stop hoarding

[slate dagger]

Thats what i do every time i play lmfao

you shouldve seen my current base

[haughty brook]

the loot pile will become big enough to tank FPS and performance

[slate dagger]

only if you let the loot become a pile on the ground

[haughty brook]

of course I do, organizing shit is not my forte

[slate dagger]

i had the problem earlier, but i started sorting all the stuff into their distinct containers + making some extra ones

[haughty brook]

I scavenge the pile like a feral beast to find anything

[slate dagger]

Ive been using this bat almost since day one, its crazy how long they last when can-reinforced

ive only had to repair it once so far

[haughty brook]

wish my metal bat with screws would last as long

but for some reason it lasts less than expected

suppose sheet metal reinforced metal bat would be top tier durability

[slate dagger]

I think with that specific recipe youre sacrificing longevity for extra damage

some recipes are bound to be like that

[slate dagger]

correct, someone else confirmed it and i looked it up too

[haughty brook]

now with carving letting you make baseball bats, can reinforcing might be very nice...

[slate dagger]

I do have the needed materials to make one. Luckily for me, i also have an extra wooden bat

So i'll go do that once this one gives out, but probably not anytime soon

[slate dagger]

have you found it somewhere? I also have a maintenance 4 skill, would explain why my condition of the weapon goes down so crazy slow

but can-reinforced and sheet metal-reinforced weaponry generally has high durability

[haughty brook]

I found an intact metal bat and put screws to it myself, 4 maintenance skill, too

[slate dagger]

gotcha

[haughty brook]

it sure did kill zeds hard

[slate dagger]

in that case its just the unfortunate nature of the crafting recipe

[haughty brook]

but I prefer durability

[slate dagger]

indeed, it kills very nicely, i used the weapon in a different B42 save before

[haughty brook]

5 long blunt skill is pretty nice

[slate dagger]

Actually can make it again too. I have a metal bat thats been collecting dust in my garage

The benefits of having abundant loot on day one

[haughty brook]

you can have gradual loot quantity instead of static?

[slate dagger]

But the first two weeks arent a big challenge, its the longterm thati deem the most fun, especially in B42

[slate dagger]

Nah dont think so, i think you can make it so loot "refreshes" in buildings after a while (or is that a server setting only?), i worded it poorly my bad

just saying that as i generally play day-one runs (not starting when the water/electricity has already run out and most of the civilisation is ruined, basically), it doesnt bother me much that loot is so abundant, because in a way, it's meant to be

I just hoard stuff and prepare for the longterm in the meantime

skillbooks, exercising, building improvised weapons and expanding the base

getting gas, a generator, and then just slowly clearing out areas of zombies

eventually get into farming too while i improve my existing skills

but truth be told, the more PZ develops as a game, the more there is to do

Now i've been really excited to get waist-deep into blacksmithing, but that is a very end-game activity

for now i dont have the materials/tools/character skills to do it

only improvised carpentry/maintenance weaponry and maybe welding for now

Carpenter profession the goat

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-mvp-the-goat-gif-27042870

damn

[tropic dove]

guys how do y'all play the b42 in the first month? I'm a player to rush things so i die in first 3 days all the time. Not used to b42 pace

[slate dagger]

i often use a character that has high strenght, makes fighting zombies much more bearable

try to establish a base somewhere on the outskirts of a town, or perhaps in a building of high importance (fire station in rosewood, a underground, vast bunker, etc)

dont make noise when you dont need to (that means no unnecessary running)

when estbalishing a base, always make sure you have multiple routes to go incase you get invaded by zeds out of nowhere

But i really dont know how exactly i go about playing B42, generally i try to find a spot for a base ASAP so i can settle down and start storing my loot somewhere

[tropic dove]

yeah i got 10 strength and 8 fitness. 10 zombies and i'm out of breath😭 . i'm NOT used to it AT ALL

[tropic dove]

i guess in b42 i'll always be spawning in west point or muldraugh since mccoy estate is nearby. that's a perfect base for sure

[slate dagger]

something's wrong. 10 strenght, 8 fitness? But strenght that high would reduce muscle strain significantly. Next time try reducing muscle strain multiplier in the sandbox settings, maybe from 1 to 0.6

I believe mine is at that

[tropic dove]

yeah actually strength 10. Lumberjack + strong

[slate dagger]

Though I barely ever experience muscle strain anymore, so maybe ive nerfed it too much

mostly only get it when i clear hordes with melee all day or exercise a lot

[tropic dove]

what strength you got?

[tropic dove]

hell nah whaaat

[slate dagger]

oops, many corpses

but i havent done all this at once so dont fret too much

[final portal]

lol what a shame also a bug

[tropic dove]

normal strength 6 fitness 4 character with frying pan kill in b41 in 1 day

[slate dagger]

it might be because of your default muscle strain multiplier + the fact youre using an axe as a weapon (i'm guessing you are? Since you are a lumberjack), those are heavy so they will increase muscle strain faster

[final portal]

at what butchering level was this done ? low levels or above 7 ? Bug seems to persist at low levels, rn I'm testing with all stages and at 7 is significantly better, more than exponential

[tropic dove]

nah i wish i could. I die in first few days since i actually really really used to b41 where you could just go inside of the fire station in rosewood, get few axes and clear a horde in there in less than a day

[final portal]

Maybe some dev will clarify if it's intended to be a significant growth more than double compared to low levels

[slate dagger]

THEN dont do that - clear a few normal houses first, you can definitely handle like 1-3 maybe 4 zombies all at once and stomp them to death with your strenght

get a knife, a hammer, anything that will last you for a while

[tropic dove]

i kill much more at once. like you'll never find 4 in any city. at least like 8

[final portal]

Of course it does, rising player numbers means people are interested in it and like it, otherwise it will just drop, look at PoE 2 and Starfield, big AAA title from Bethesda, lost almost its entire player count from 300k at launch, it barely reaches 8000 now... that's a game that will be forgotten

[slate dagger]

there wasnt many of them for me in rosewood day one

[tropic dove]

and after killing them more will get over to you and you'll already be out of breath

[slate dagger]

rosewood is a easy town though

[tropic dove]

maybe because i rush towards POI in first days🤷‍♂️

[ivory moat]

It's rare fot stuff to be actually be unforgettable. It's simply a matter of time

[slate dagger]

THEN DONT

[tropic dove]

but i can't

i play like that

[slate dagger]

then dont complain you keep dying lmfao

its your strategy that you adopted, you have the choice to change it and adapt

[haughty brook]

I'm so utterly over-careful especially when looting interior locations that I simply don't know how I wouldn't survive at least 3 months (until I get bored or a patch for b42 forces a new save)

loot will be there regardless of zombie population, but your life won't be if you rush in

[tropic dove]

i'm not that type of a player. i always play risk and loot instead of safety and chill

[slate dagger]

yes, i usually take a few days prepping myself up before visiting any improtant area

[slate dagger]

risking so often in a game like this will get you killed

I dont think theres anything i can help you with there

[final portal]

it's in EA for a decade and still people are playing it, I have always voiced against buying and playing games in EA to all my friends, but PZ proved otherwise, even though the devs are "slow" I still recommend it to everyone

[haughty brook]

you have no other players trying to loot places first, until NPCs possibly. You don't survive an apocalypse by playing an action hero, PZ is about you being the weak and fragile victim more often than not

[slate dagger]

@tropic dove psst, toggle multi-hit on

i always play with multi-hit

[haughty brook]

in B41 you may have been a Doom Slayer, in B42 you will be the fat guy pointing at the movie screen "thats me!" instead

[tropic dove]

it is on💀

[slate dagger]

what is blud doing

[haughty brook]

hell Apocalypse flavour text says it too, Combat best avoided

you have whistles now in b42, they are great non-car noise lures

[slate dagger]

and megaphones

[tropic dove]

well you're right but that's just simply not my playstyle.

[haughty brook]

megaphones do not work other than the loud equip noise

[tropic dove]

🤯

[haughty brook]

I mean fair enough, but then PZ is going to feel harder

[slate dagger]

Lockeray we're hitting a brick wall here, you say you die like 3 days into the save every time, but you're very firm on your own way of playing and unwilling to play differently. What options does that leave us?

[final portal]

the week one mod makes sure you won't find any loot after the NPCs just loot every store they can find ;))

[haughty brook]

I can't play football (european!) by picking up the ball and carrying it to the goal, so its only normal that PZ is intended for more careful approached gameplay, unless sandbox is used to make it Doom Slayer style

[haughty brook]

week one mod is the mod that makes me embrace violence enough to get on a FBI watch list

[tropic dove]

well i was expecting if any of you have similiar playstyle

[final portal]

that's what PZ will need in b43 a somewhat perfect and natural behavior for NPCs not just placeholders

[final portal]

I always play like a psychopath

[haughty brook]

I sure as hell go in reaping and slaughtering...but not in PZ, in games where its a viable playstyle on pre-defined difficulty settings 😄

[final portal]

looting robbing killing everyone

[slate dagger]

i never rushed important buildings like that, not even in B41, once youre surrounded/overwhelmed by the zombies its basically game over since you get ripped apart

my strategy is to slowly pick zombies off one by one when it is possible, and then take on more difficult targets/places once i have better gear and more skills

[final portal]

always resort to violence with that mod seems the perfect brutal way to do things

[tropic dove]

sad i can't play the way i want on defaults

[tropic dove]

uhhh i did in b41. pretty easily killed everyone and just kept on going

[haughty brook]

its just an illusion, you said you are playing sandbox with minor changes to how Apocalypse would be. Don't let the illusion to define your fun

[slate dagger]

You can, give yourself godmode

type "-debug" into the steam game startup bar

😂

[tropic dove]

well yeah i know but i mean fairly

[final portal]

also be careful that many mods now are broken with the new taintedwater parameter

[haughty brook]

unfortunately PZ is not intended to be a game like that on dev-defined difficulties, not much else to be said

[slate dagger]

good for you but that never occured to me as a strategy, i just palyed the way i thought it'd be the most enjoyable to me

[tropic dove]

your words are right but i need to completely change where i go, where i loot and what i do compared to b41

[slate dagger]

mess around witrh your sandbox settings

you could lower the total zombie population, or lower the starting zombie population slightly and make it so it hits its peak after many, many days from the start, so you have time to loot buildings and get good weapons, if you so desire

[final portal]

yeah those difficulties are just a short-cut to save you from going through the tedious amount of sandbox settings

[haughty brook]

wait until b42 is fully done, then you can play a primitive playthrough living in the woods in log cabins, eating animals without butchering them like a savage, then crafting yourself war hatchets and clubs out of bone, leather clothing and then going full feral mode to cities (possibly overgrown with 10 years later mod)

[slate dagger]

NOOOO my can-reinforced bat broke

[haughty brook]

that might not be Doom Slayer run but it sure as hell lets you embrace the wild zug zug

[slate dagger]

thats it, i am going to make a metal-reinforced bat now, the zombies stand no chance

[tropic dove]

I'll always live in the woods in PZ. I don't need no danger in my safe place so those are my prioritized houses

[final portal]

;))) I always fight the police and fbi, it's the military that's godlike

[slate dagger]

i bet you that the environmental "decay" isnt finalised either, so things may get more fleshed out later

[tropic dove]

there'll be 10 years later as an official challenge

[final portal]

yes

[final portal]

can't wait for that

also The Forest map

[haughty brook]

yes I need erosion and growth be far harsher so the nature truly takes over, so I can feel the despair of never getting my lazy 90s american life back

[final portal]

with random wilderness and biomes perfect to try out the crafting system

[slate dagger]

If there's one thing i absolutely dislike about B42 and B41, its the calories/weight system

unless i keep myself stuffing my mouth with buttloads of icecream/butter, i will eventually start losing weight

and inevitably die if i let it get too bad

[final portal]

10 years laters mod by Dane that generates tree and there is also Project Seasons and Rust

combined will offer you the best "years later into the apocalypse" vibe

[haughty brook]

I wish the visibility in deep forests would feel better, isometric nature of the game ensures every treetop will cover your screen even if you can see in the forest

probably badly explained, but games like Valheim I have no problem obviously to enjoy a forest scenery because its not isometric, I can see between trees and canopies are not invading my screen as the camera is firmly on my character

[slate dagger]

might be something thats improved on later, you never know. The ingame trees look pretty dated, all things considered

just compare them to the new stuff like the grass

[final portal]

also if anyone says he is truly a zomboid player, try that setting with more vehicle options mod and set all the cars to be totally destroyed and missing parts

or try PZ without vehicles 😉 that will be a challenge you'll never forget :p

[haughty brook]

usually starting with 3 strenght and 8 fitness myself, cus STR is far easier to level up. And every early level up actually feels good - Organized trait means I cannot fill my bags before encumbrance hits me

[tropic dove]

3 backpacks full of loot ahhhh walking after long weeks of looting something

[haughty brook]

now playing without cars working...yeah I'd need such minimal loot abundance to enjoy that

[final portal]

out of boredom I've recently downloaded and played B38

[slate dagger]

i just want post-apocalyptic vehicle tuning to be a thing already, LET ME WELD METAL SHEETS AND RODS ONTO MY VEHICLE SO IT ACTUALLY DOESNT LOSE 50% OF ITS CONDITION WHEN SLIGHTLY PUSHING INTO A HORDE

[haughty brook]

but the damn skill books are too important still to have meaningful leveling progress for many skills

carving? can go to 10 from 0 np, good luck with welding and skills like that

[final portal]

man what a build that was.....

[final portal]

Standardized Vehicles Upgrades mod

[haughty brook]

think I got PZ when b38 was current

[slate dagger]

yeah i'm aware but i'm just not a mod guy most of the time, i'm weird like that

id rather if it was a official feature so i'll patiently wait

[final portal]

I'm offering solutions and workarounds don't have a direct hotline with the devs to tell them this stuff

[slate dagger]

i'm not shutting you down, nor do i expect you to contact the devs

I feel like vehicle tuning is a big-enough deal to a point where they wont ignore it forever, so maybe we'll see it in next builds, you never know

[final portal]

I was gonna make a joke saying I have but the phone wrang

[final portal]

yeah I know there are still plenty mods out there that should be vanilla features

[slate dagger]

definitely

alas, Indiestone is a bit slow, but they do not fail to deliver

[final portal]

like making fertilizer from dung

[slate dagger]

Good things come to those who wait

[slate dagger]

😂 yeah you're right

[final portal]

this is such a basic and all known primitive way of fertilizing crops even in the wild

rn you need a mod for that

[haughty brook]

hey its same for food preservation

[slate dagger]

if animals can shit on the floor, why cant i

[final portal]

let's hope someone reads this and they hear us ;))

[final portal]

such a good question

[slate dagger]

Killing a horde of zombies with melee and then piling the corpses up on eachother and shitting on it afterwards would be such a power move

[final portal]

ahh as of now it is but not when 42 hits stable, food preservation will be taken care of using vinegar from the brewing process

they have teased ferment barrels that produce either alcohol or vinegar

[slate dagger]

atleast we have basic pickling

ive found some tomatoes in a jar in a house before

two of them in fact

[final portal]

yes but getting the fresh tomatoes jared without vinegar is impossible

there was a mod called Food Preservation Plus in 41, it's so damn good and it's enough if they just port that mechanic to 42

[slate dagger]

they'll do it justice dw

i am SO stacked on vinegar by the way, found a few bottles in total so far

it'll last me a bit

[final portal]

yes but in wild where no loot is to be found, brewing will be the only way

[slate dagger]

yep

[final portal]

and I'm all for wilderness survival, but the true wilderness without any towns or loot spots, just nature

[slate dagger]

the game will probably need until B43 before living off the grid is entirely viable, the way i see it

[final portal]

right now the crafting is insuficient for that

[slate dagger]

on another note
it is here

horde killer 2 electric boogaloo

this is pretty good dmg for a blunt item id say

one that has an insanely high durability

[final portal]

The Forest map will make sure that crafting systems work as intended

[final portal]

mhm that damage.....

can you add spikes after reinforcing it ?

[slate dagger]

with my strenght + long blunt skills i was already 2-shotting most zombies

though i have set zombie toughness to random

nah

i wasnt expecting it to be able to do that anyway

[final portal]

crap

[tranquil ginkgo]

Add nails to it.

[slate dagger]

BUDDY WHAT DID I JUST SEND

[tranquil ginkgo]

Do they not allow you to add nails to reinforced steel bats anymore?

[final portal]

that was my question

cauz I think you can't as of 42.4

[tranquil ginkgo]

dang

I thought it can be done.

[final portal]

seems illogical but so be it

[slate dagger]

it was possible in prior builds?

[final portal]

maybe a bug ? missing surface ?

[slate dagger]

did it even have the physical model for it?

because i played when 42 first released too

[tranquil ginkgo]

If it is gone, what's the point 😫?

oh well

[final portal]

I can't remember in 41 I think I was able to do it but I was running a lot of mods at that time

[slate dagger]

once you insert mods into the equation then it all falls apart

B41 didnt even have any of this crafting to begin with, it was very basic weaponry-wise

[final portal]

modded 41

[slate dagger]

yes but im in B42

[final portal]

41 vanilla was..... let's just say unpleasant

[slate dagger]

it think it was alright, definitely not as good as B42 though, they added a lot of features here

[final portal]

in earlier versions of 42 that was possible

[slate dagger]

and was there a model for the reinforced and spiked bat?

[final portal]

addid nails to a reinforced weapon at leats in my save it was possible, not modded ofc

[slate dagger]

if not then my guess is that it wasnt intended

[final portal]

I believe it was not as of now

no it had the same icon

as the spiked one

[slate dagger]

yeah

it most likely wasnt

i forgot i actually have some tea and coffee in my loot stashes

maybe i will treat my character to a refreshing warm drink for once

got a fancy copper kettle

[final portal]

that was the best part of this update

being able to smelt jewelry and other metal items and label them as silver copper and gold

and scrap the respective categories to create useful items

[slate dagger]

well i found that kettle

i'm not really at the stage where i'm smelting/scrapping anything

[final portal]

It's moving in the right direction

[slate dagger]

though i plan to salvage car wrecks once i find any

[final portal]

i believe that's the only way to earn welding xp from dismantling

there is a mod that recycles parts that you would normally use

[ivory moat]

That does not make it unforgettable

[slate dagger]

nothing is ever truly unforgettable, after sufficient time, everything fades away

but PZ has a long way to go before it's out of the picture

so i feel its pointless to discuss a topic like this

[final portal]

Dude I'm not having this conversation anymore without arguments I've told you that is wrong and illogical to think that a game who is increasing it's player count monthly will end up forgotten as long as it keeps on delivering I don't see any reasonable explanation to counter that fact

After all this time in EA if PZ was struggling to maintain it's player count and after all the builds and updates pushed out, then yes I would have agreed that it will end up forgotten

But it's simply not the case as of now or the near future

[ivory moat]

Thats my point

[slate dagger]

i think the other guy misunderstood

yeah this metal-reinforced bat is shredding them

somehow its better than, well, a metal bat, LMAO

my character is a pussy apparently, having muscle strain makes him ache so much that it gives me the severe pain moodle

i'm expecting "Agony" any moment now

[maiden epoch]

You try swinging a heavy baseball bat 300 times in quick succession lol

[slate dagger]

if he wants to live he better grow tf up

or i'll make a molotov and light myself on fire in protest

wait

i can just OD him on painkillers

no more pain

reminds me of the "rappin for jesus" video on yt

[fleet onyx]

Lvl 6!

[slate dagger]

i shouldnt have fully drank the 500ml flash of Gin

[lusty harbor]

b42 moodles

[slate dagger]

i dont mind them

[fleet onyx]

So you are seeing a big benefit to using the hook after lvl 7 especially?

[upbeat summit]

It being level 7 will apply to the getPartChance function which uses skill/70
function ButcheringUtil.getPartChance(baseChance, size, meatRatio, player) local skill = player:getPerkLevel(Perks.Butchering); local skillMod = (skill / 70) * 10; if not baseChance then return 100; end return baseChance * size * meatRatio * skillMod; end

Which is then used here:
local chance = ButcheringUtil.getPartChance(partDef.baseChance, carcass:getAnimalSize(), meatRatio, player); local nbToGive = roundButcher(nb * (chance / 100)); nb = nb - nbToGive; percRest = percRest - chance;

Level 7 doesn't do anything for the meat ratio, it floors so skill/2, so 6 and 7 skill are equal, both equal 3 when divided by 2 and floored
-- every 2 pts in butchering gives * 1.1 max meat ratio local skillIndex = (math.floor(skill/2) / 10) + 1; maxNb = maxNb * skillIndex;

Level 7 is where skillMod becomes 1, but I don't think there's anything particularly special about that.

[mystic leaf]

is the bug that didnt let you wash clothes or wash yourself in the rain colector fixed?

[final portal]

when I tested butchering at low levels was absolutely horrible but after 7 last time I've tried almost every animal I had seemed to yeld way better cuts and quality almost 2x than lvl 2-3 for example

I'm gonna check that save version tonight

[woven pike]

Stakes don't say they don't give maintainence XP when used as weapons, I kinda thought the system to make items say that was automated

[wicked pier]

I hope we get a butcher occupation with like a short blade skill increase

[tranquil ginkgo]

At what point will the character die from alcohol poisoning?

Next update? 42.5.0?

[slate dagger]

I have no idea, probably not a mechanic yet

[hazy wind]

I think brick barricades would be a nice addition to the masonry skill

Something like this

[slate dagger]

lvl 100 mafia boss of barricades:

[final portal]

I was testing that butchering hook on 42.2.1

I've checked last night the save version

[upper shard]

My rain barrels keep breaking everytime I unload the chunk they're in.

I can build new ones that work fine but anytime I travel away they break again.

[slate dagger]

holy fack this is cool, im playing singleplayer and a car nearby suddenly started howling its alarm

now theres a hundred zombies around it

[meager flower]

everytime I see your pfp I think its that picture of twinkjak getting his back blown out

[slate dagger]

what the fuck

[final portal]

if it's related to the nutrition & food overhaul they have planned, then it's post B42 stable

[woven pike]

I didn't know it was dangerous to eat chicken feet and died of food poisoning :(

[slate dagger]

bruh

[woven pike]

That's how I feel!

[haughty brook]

fresh chicken feet killed you? I've been snacking on them en masse with Weak Stomach to no effect

[woven pike]

Well, unless I put a poisoned chocolate bar on my ice cream or I got poisoned by cooked eggs

[haughty brook]

could be the new patch did something, I haven't played PZ in 42.4.1

[ivory moat]

What is lvl 1 thug?

A glass barricade?

[slate dagger]

thats called a window

yeah probably lvl 1 is that

lvl 5 goon would be a single plank barricade

[fleet onyx]

I’ve been eating chicken feet no problem, even since last patch. I’d bet one went rotten on your or something.

[molten raven]

It would be cool if you could make unbreakable walls but balance them by making them insanely resource and level intensive

[woven pike]

They were fresh as can be

[lusty harbor]

or just use metal walls and repair them

tbh a brick wall would be pretty much invincible so long as its built correctly. walk up to a school house and start smacking the wall. see how long it takes to break in

[burnt hornet]

I was thinking medieval castle style walls that are 1 tile thick for unbreakable walls

[blissful patio]

i verified my game files and now my game is stuck on validating

i reinstalled the game, reset my pc and steam

idk what to do :(

[fleet onyx]

I wonder if they have a chance to poison even fresh cause they are kinda gross lmao

[sinful raven]

echo creek?

i spawned there and there was no tools to carpentize with

[mint canyon]

Spawned in maldraugh and wandered into the woods

[sinful raven]

ah

thats a lil bit better

just walk towards fallon lake

[tranquil ginkgo]

What does the HOME key do? It seems it toggle full map visibility or something.

No mods in my game. Zero mods.

[tranquil ginkgo]

Lies, new patch update did not give coffee alongside coffee machine.

Hmm, Build 42.4.1 has strange graphical artifacts.

Check yellow tree.

[slate dagger]

You sure it isnt just you?

I see people have odd visuals all the time, yet my own game is fine

I only ever have these transparent 'lines' appear in places when the texture is being 'moved', sort of, for example when a zombie is trying to tear down a door

But thats been consistent across all B42 patches for me and i dont really mind it

[tranquil ginkgo]

That's why I was asking.

[lavish sandal]

Man looting certain containers like wardrobes is fucking pain rn. Gott be standing right fuckin in front of each side

[slate dagger]

i think its fine

[final portal]

I've seen a lot of that rendering problem since first versions

[haughty brook]

Don't get me started on artifacts, right now filing an RMA yet again, this time for my GPU since I get different looking artifacts in PZ and other games, especially for lighting effects...

[earnest turtle]

I still don't get it

Does muscle strain from swinging weapons and stuff help leveling strength?

[slate dagger]

no, muscle strain is there to prevent players from wiping a whole horde with a meta melee weapon within a single day

[earnest turtle]

I mean

[slate dagger]

it gives pain and makes your swings weaker i think

just rest for it to go away

higher strenght means you accumulate muscle strain slower

[earnest turtle]

If push-ups give quite some strength exp and muscle strain, then should any other activities that give muscle strain.

Or maybe im tripping

[slate dagger]

but exercises gave xp even when muscle strain didnt exist

[earnest turtle]

Ye ye

[slate dagger]

its just an additional mechanic to make the player more 'grounded' in certain scenarios, its not there as another way to get stronger

[earnest turtle]

But causing muscle strain is another kind of training, i would say.

But meh, who im to know.

[slate dagger]

you already get strenght xp by fighting zombies with melee

muscle strain is a consequence of swinging too much

[earnest turtle]

Hmm

I guess exp from swinging and shi like that could be increased

Also, there is a regularity bar when doing exercises

That can massively slow down the building of muscle strain from exercising

There should be something similar for non exercising activities

[slate dagger]

sounds very complex to implement, doubt its going to ever be like that

but you can always suggest it

[earnest turtle]

Complex? Im not into coding, but counting how many times you get a muscle strain and how often, should be pretty easy.

So in the end

[slate dagger]

tweaking it for every single non-exercise physical activity and making sure its not too low or too shittily much will not be easy

[earnest turtle]

Im not talking about giving every activity a certain value of increasing "regularity bar" but about just counting how many times and how often does your muscles get a strain effect. No matter how that effect was achieved.

[ivory moat]

I'm pretty sure the muscle strain from training and other things are different tho. But I'm not 100% sure

[earnest turtle]

I mean

Maybe, but at the end the debuffs are the same

[ivory moat]

Sure but if those are two different things then you can't just do one thing to help against the problem from the other thing

Just because the symptom is the same doesn't mean the cause is

[earnest turtle]

You are straining the same muscles during fighting, that you do during push ups or some shi.

[upper shard]

best strategy to avoid muscle strain is to take a lot of traits that give weapon skill, as it helps more than strength to avoid muscle strain.

Also stomp whenever possible to use leg muscle

[ivory moat]

I don't think it works like that. But I'm also not a medical professional

[earnest turtle]

If it doesn't, how would doing push-ups help you with damage in fighting like it does now?

Anyway

[ivory moat]

Training and straining are two seperate things

[earnest turtle]

Training causes straining.
Fighting causes straining.
Training increases strength exp.
Fighting (kinda) increases strength exp.
Training increases regularly bar, and thus, should fighting and any other activities.

[upper shard]

That in combat translates to higher weapon skill, which lowers strain considerably.

[ivory moat]

I don't think either of us are really qualified to say anything for certain

[upper shard]

Or you are suggesting that cutting grass should give some type of regularity as well?

[earnest turtle]

I guess

[earnest turtle]

Do you cut enough grass to get a muscle strain?

[upper shard]

Yeah it can easily make you red if you don't use a tool.

[earnest turtle]

In PZ, strain from different activities and strain from training are practically the same

But regularly bar slows down strain for training

And not for different activities

And mucle strain from different activities does not build up regularity bar

Which is kinda lame

[upper shard]

You can turn down strain on sandbox settings

[earnest turtle]

That would be kinda lame

I don't want to nerf strain to the ground

Strain should exist

But in a more realistic and more manageable form

[upper shard]

play a character with higher strength

and take weapon skill traits

[earnest turtle]

Ye ye, but the fact that this way of dealing with muscle strain exists shouldn't mean that the "regularity bar way" shouldn't exist.

Or maybe even go in giving de buffs to strength and shi for being inactive for too long

Make players loose not only regularly bar, but also strength exp and fitness exp for sitting still too long.

Muscles can deteriorate in real life

[slate dagger]

survivor zombie found, we winning

holy sigma

[jolly sparrow]

Shrigma

https://tenor.com/view/shroom-fungus-mushroom-sigma-sigma-male-gif-22224231

[tranquil ginkgo]

https://youtu.be/s6ZTrO_e00c

So many issues with this patch. Keep up the good work, devs. You got this!

[slate dagger]

holy fucking shit, march ridge is such a hellhole

im not going there again unless i bring 3 times the amount of noise makers and aerosol bombs/pipebombs

i had an annotation map pointing me towards the church there having some loot but there was nothing in it

my efforts were in vain

[woven pike]

So, I wouldn't know if I didn't see the error app up, but does anyone know why collecting eggs from a coop is causing me a couple thousand errors?

(World started in 42.4.0 if that matters)

[solid kindle]

what does it say in the console\

[woven pike]

Uh, I don't have the game in front of me right now but it was something about [a value] being assigned to an animal.

[sudden yacht]

Swinging a weapon would not increase the regularity bar. In real life I do so many push-ups that I do not get muscle strain from them, at least not enough to get any pain or discomfort whatsoever. But when I swing a weapon I quickly build up muscle strain since that I do not do all the time. PZ currently doesn't have any exercises that target the main muscles used when swinging

[woven pike]

They were suggesting the act of swinging a weapon gets its own bar, not that it shares it with an existing exercise

But also... I don't really care for the regularity mechanic and don't particularly wish it to be added to the act of using weapons, I think having the relevant weapon skill take that place is fine

[lavish sandal]

Can agree. Feels like another one of many unnecessary complications

[fleet onyx]

Is there like a brake on the white animal trailers? I can't make it move but I did on my last run

[earnest turtle]

Bruh, if doing push-ups does not affect muscles that you use during swinging, then by this logic, in PZ, leveling exp through push-ups shouldn't give buff damage. Also, it depends on your grip during push-ups. If you are doing a very wide push-up, then sure, mostly your back and chest will be affected. But the narrower your grip gets, the more your hands and arms get involved.

[slate dagger]

you think too black & white about it. Have you considered that maybe the regularity mechanic does not exist for melee because the intent isn't to make melee even more overpowered, but to put it down to a more balanced state? That is partly why muscle strain was even added, i imagine.

You've got the strenght skill and the weapon skills that reduce the muscle strain gained from swings

[ivory moat]

It really wouldn't make it overpowered. You'd need to either train or fight a ton to keep regularity up

[slate dagger]

bold of you to assume the average PZ player won't do one of those consistently

does anyone not remember at all how it was possible in B41 to just take a meta weapon and keep swinging at zombies until the whole horde was dead

there's the athletics skill but it is considerably less limiting compared to muscle strain

especially when you pick a character who starts with more of it

now in the latest B42 build i have a sheet metal reinforced bat with a long blunt skill of 4, strenght skill of 9, athletics 5, and i am still not able to wipe the entire street of zombies in one go, although i am getting close to it

i think at that point it's pretty reasonable to be able to go that far

Now the process of becoming stronger is more noticeable for sure

[ivory moat]

Okay and? You do something consistently and you get rewarded for it

The devs are starting to make the game too hard tl cater to the streamer. They should really look more into the average player who barely survives a few days

[woven pike]

There are 3 core difficulties, and it's on the player to pick the one they most want

[slate dagger]

yes, like exercising, swinging your weapon (and thus gaining xp for that weapon's category), leveling up your skills that contribute to the crafting of better improvised weaponry

you dont need another mechanic to further trivialize the muscle strain that was deliberately added to partially hold the player back from running around slaying a entire horde with a hammer

my opinion though, feel free to disagree, we'll see what direction the devs take next

[ivory moat]

Thats a dumb take. Most new player play apocalypse and most even assume builder is sandbox.

If you find the game too hard then increase the difficuilty and don't fuck with new player it aint that hard

Catering to streamer and veterans is a very good killer of a game

[slate dagger]

it hasnt occured to me that they'd be doing it to cater to those people

PZ has been hardcore for a long time, they're just making that more in-depth

[ivory moat]

Yeah because making the game harder was surely because of the casuals who barely survived anyway

[slate dagger]

i am a casual

[ivory moat]

It was hard doesn't mean it needs to be dark souls level

[slate dagger]

but i dont think a player who normally plays MC is who's this game made for to begin with

[ivory moat]

They should just make a hardcore difficuilty and throw all that stuff into there

[slate dagger]

This may be an issue of the game being beginner-unfriendly, as i've had a poor experience with it initially, myself

If that is something you think, then i would be inclined to agree

[ivory moat]

So why make it even more beginner unfriendly if a simple hardcore mode would do?

[slate dagger]

The logical solution would be for the game to introduce more tutorials and a little hand-holding for the easier preset difficulties

[ivory moat]

Or or hear me out... just add a harder difficuilty

[woven pike]

I don't think the premise that this muscle strain mechanic is beginner unfriendly even holds

[slate dagger]

apocalypse is meant to be the hard difficulty

[ivory moat]

Its literally the standard difficuilty tf are you on abt?

[woven pike]

After like, life 2 or 3, beginner players will learn to be scared of the zombies until they improve, rather than trying to be an action hero

[slate dagger]

that's called survivor

[woven pike]

It's the bade difficulty the game builds around and also the hardest default difficulty

[ivory moat]

Well if there won't be any new player y'all know why

[slate dagger]

there will be

[woven pike]

I don't know why

[slate dagger]

don't be so dramatic

PZ has a long way to go before everything is properly balanced, many systems are outdated, perhaps the game shall become more beginner friendly further down the line, or it will always stay this way, that is up to the game studio behind it and their vision for the game

That does not mean that suddenly there would be no new players to the genre, only that there would be a bit less as the game will have a narrower audience, which is not automatically a bad thing

[woven pike]

Oh, there is 1 balance issue I really want addressed with b42 though: weapons are a bit too rare.
Like, on survivor mode I've totally ran out of weapons - not just the decent ones like kitchen knives, but even the forks and the pens

[slate dagger]

how, i'm drowning in weapons

its been a long time since i played the preset difficulties so i wouldnt know the difference between your save's settings and mine

but i havent changed a whole ton, i believe the loot spawns specifically werent touched by me at all

How far into the outbreak have you started? Right on the first day?

oh given how apocalypse is the base setting preset for sandbox, my loot should be rarer than yours (or as rare)

ive no idea how that is possible

Seems to me you just got really unlucky

[sinful raven]

That's been a feature (?) since b41

[lavish sandal]

Nah i swear it was better back then. Rn its like you can't even see the tile infront of one side if you're standing in front of the other. It be blacked out like any other unseen area

Vision "hitboxes" or whatever the f dont really match the sprites in a lot of cases, like fuel bowsers

Some tall trees dont have low hanging branches and shouldnt block as much sight as they do

[lavish sandal]

Just noticed zombies get hung on them too and you can clearly see the vison cone bending around the whole tile and not accurately to the sprite

[earnest turtle]

Maybe

Just maybe

Zombies should be able to move cars with enough zombies pushing

Also

I know that zombies will break high fences at some point in B42