42.2.0 UNSTABLE Released

[spare sparrow]

ahhh maybe I’m just blind in that case

I need my lighting bolt for the generators I find!

[velvet kelp]

I didnt see it forever lol i was like wheres my star symbol

[spare sparrow]

so many good ones are hidden!

[elder shadow]

[spare sparrow]

omg yeah I’m blind

that’s great though I love how it looks

[dense warren]

ay so uh ik this takes place before 2001 but like...

[lucid gate]

do any of you have horde night?

debating what settings to choose

[fair vault]

Rn im running horde night with it starting on day 5 with a starting count of 10 zombies, it happens again every 5 days with two additional zombies

The default settings will make you die like immediately lol

[chrome python]

Everything for the lore and authenticity of Kentuky 1993.

[toxic tundra]

just found out about these. Very neat!

[sand remnant]

multiplayer is on ?

[dense lodge]

nah

[sand remnant]

sad

[hollow fox]

errors where made

[tacit arrow]

I hope we get mp sometime in the next 3 months

[hasty edge]

unlucky, hahahahahaha

water turned off 6 hours into a playthrough

[tender pewter]

gotta say losing electric is a much bigger bummer

[hasty edge]

I mean, yeah, but electric has a preset minimum day limit

[tender pewter]

have to read outside during the day til you can use a generator

[hasty edge]

water can turn off at any point

[tender pewter]

doesn't water? thought they were both 14-30 days or something

[hasty edge]

I mean 6 literal in-game hours, not 6 irl hours, it's like 5 minutes lol

[tender pewter]

yeah that doesn't sound right, the default is the same for both

[hasty edge]

I have the screenshots to prove it

[tender pewter]

yeah i believe you but apocolypse settings are atleast a week or something

[hasty edge]

probably a bug, idk

I'm playing default apoc, vanilla

[tender pewter]

unlucky but hell a free challenge

[fair vault]

Water can shut off immediately i think

[velvet kelp]

lol i had that happen next day i was like whyyy lol

id rather have water than elec go out though

[fair vault]

Yeah water has never really been an issue

They really should make it so sinks and stuff DONT have residual water to make it more of a threat

I still like to bottle up as much water as possible before it goes out but its kinda unnecessary

[hasty edge]

wish they'd change the hearing radius ngl, I can almost 99% assure you that if someone was getting clobbered you wouldn't hear it 6 kilometers away

and yet it seems there's homing missile zombies every now and then lol

[exotic yew]

i can only imagine what sky scraper fighting is like now
spawning at the top of one in b41 meant an endless stream of zombies from down stairs attacked you, and back then they only had normal hearing

[hasty edge]

trash can zombie

it tried to commando leap from the top, got stuck in the trash dump

[upbeat shore]

Has anyone found recipes for hot dog or hamburger buns?

[zinc hatch]

I take it most recent patches need a lenghty loading screen to convert saves from few weeks ago?

[spare sparrow]

is there anyway to fill a sink back up currently in b42?

Ik plumbing doesn’t work right?

[sick pawn]

You haven't done that a while back?

[sick pawn]

Yeah, there will be a new plumbing system that will replace this.

[sick pawn]

Nope. For the time being, make a campfire and boil your water from natural water sources, like rainwater or river.

[spare sparrow]

how do i go about cleaning clothes

[zinc hatch]

I just spent 2 weeks without a PC

[toxic tundra]

hand wash in the sink/bathtub or put the clothing in the washer

[lucid gate]

does anyone get this weird animation bug with shooting ground zombies?

this happens with all guns and they get lagged to hit and take 0 damage

unless you let them get back up

[slow silo]

zombie falling when pushed without animation. anyone having the same issue ?

[sick pawn]

Report that. I don't think the devs are done with the animations.

[lucid gate]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/79861-4220-rev26060-shooting-at-knocked-down-zombies-not-crawlers-causes-animation-bug-on-zombie-on-all-gun-types/

[slow silo]

It's linked to some sandbox preset i think, because when I change the defaults, the bug disappears.

[quartz talon]

i cant click craft button???

[elder shadow]

Lmao, f

[tender pewter]

YO is that tile layout in the base game??

[hollow fox]

I feel strangly American for a German Guy ^^

Police Station in West Point was barrikated and chuck full of zombies... and soooo much looooot

[elder shadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1160784514633715744/1312620361237528667/attachment.gif

[spiral tinsel]

first survivor home of b42

[pine gull]

Yes

[elder shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-gif-5105344

[spiral tinsel]

No good weapons but i found beta blockers and canned food

[elder shadow]

Well

[spiral tinsel]

Bread knife or a machete

[velvet kelp]

bread stick

[sand remnant]

bread pole

[velvet kelp]

lol please pass the bread pole

i need to butter my bread pole

[elder shadow]

Lmao

[fallow pawn]

Indie Stone, can you change the idle stance for the long blades? is kind of cringe watching a guy grabbing a sword like that

[pale storm]

those bread knives always get me every time thinking that weapon is a machete.

[lucid gate]

15 days till horde night

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[sacred frigate]

water from wells is safe to drink right? I thought I heard it wasnt anymore but I just filled up a dispenser bottle from a well at a farm I found nd it doesnt say its tainted

[hasty edge]

le fische: 161 cm; 45 encumbrance

https://youtu.be/NjgFKUooYHY

aquariums when

[velvet kelp]

haha i want aquarium!!

[hasty edge]

how do i even cook this fish up

I literally cannot cut it up

340!?

omg, it's a recipe you actually have to look for instead of just right clicking the fish? amazing...

[lucid gate]

they patched this for it to be clean

[lucid gate]

https://tenor.com/view/peixe-dormindo-gif-11243001346420037237

[sacred frigate]

ahh okay I wondered that! thank you for the info

[hasty edge]

it's actually really good music just to chill with ngl

music changes the vibe entirely

imagine playing that during a horde fight

[sacred frigate]

one more question about animals if anybody knows, do they have to be able to pathfind to the feeding troughs? or do the troughs just have to be within their farm zone. curious about barn setups where I could use one trough to feed all animals that are in separate fenced areas or if each specific area needs its own trough so the animal can pathfind to food/water

[hasty edge]

well, I managed to fillet it but yeah lmfao, each one is like 10kgs each.

[sacred frigate]

holy crap. fishing sounds op

[lucid gate]

i found an annotated map ive never seen before

[hasty edge]

.

that's UNCOOKED

imagine adding herbs, condiments and other things on top

2 pork + 2 beef + 1 other thing in a pan + condiments + herbs = 60

[velvet kelp]

thats cool

[hasty edge]

1 fish therefore gave me the equivalent of likeee 5-6 meals

[inland star]

That’s sick

[hardy cradle]

Recipes that require a table or other surface are not displayed through right click

[hasty edge]

That is silly. Could it be remedied to appear / work when you're near the required object?

[hardy cradle]

We dont have plans for that

[hasty edge]

Fair enough 🙂

[fallow pawn]

do you plan to buff spears? at least the highest level ones

[fair vault]

Arent spears already great

[velvet kelp]

i think theyre good , especially if you knock a zomber down and stabby

[elder shadow]

keep askin questions like that, i like it

[fallow pawn]

Also, ALICE belts don't show over jackets

[quaint wing]

what mod r u using

[vivid hollow]

Not at the moment due to animation bugs

I dont like the nerf to jaw stabbing for spears, they should have kept it as it was

The main reason people used the spear is the insane crit chance on them which meant even when exhausted you could still kill zs

Plus the low exhaustion gain from using them. Imo thats all that needed to be adressed

In fact I'd rather they just remove standing jaw stab because of how the animation COMPLETELY locks you in place

Because atm when you jaw stab most of the time they become crawlers, which just isnt realistic or fun

[elder shadow]

Not because now is more complicated to craft em lmao

[maiden matrix]

stab them in the head and magically it breaks their legs

makes total sense

[lucid gate]

OOP WRONG CHANNEL

[hollow fox]

vanilla firearm extendet

[hollow fox]

If they wanna keep it nerfed they should just make it that your crit chance plummets with exhaustion. Or drop the jaw stab since the frame locking is quite dangerous while fighting. now even more since it dosn't even kill the guy

or atleast let the crit do proper damage. I use dmg numbers and health bars and a jaw stab does sometimes measly 0.8 dmg -.-

[fallow pawn]

Indie Stone, after the last changes to occupations (+1 maint. to already strong ones), the trait Handy has been thrown to the ground, specially compared against the other 2 traits that also give +1 maint., I think its price should go down to 6, same as blacksmith knowledge.

Honestly, I don't see any reason to pick it

[vivid hollow]

This.

I hope they redo the traits more

And occupations

[brave badger]

I have many reasons to pick that, it all comes down to how you want to play

[brave badger]

that's Guns of 93 but it's beta for b42

[quick notch]

you can still do the jaw stab what

[vivid hollow]

jaw stab with spears doesnt instantly kill them

[quick notch]

yeah it does

[vivid hollow]

it plays the animation and they fall to the ground

[quick notch]

I was using the garden fork for 1400+ kills and it killed them consistently in one shot

[vivid hollow]

have you tried this current patch?

[quick notch]

YES

lmfao

[vivid hollow]

idk how you got 1400 kills because of the spear bug

which is in current patch

but b42 introduced jaw stabs for spears not always instantly killing zs

[severe urchin]

do y'all think rope is a little overpriced?

there should be some less expensive grass rope

[fair vault]

...overpriced?

[hasty edge]

basement reading room / library haul be like

and some magazines as well

[sand remnant]

multiplayer is on ??

[turbid zinc]

#pz_b42_chat

[elder shadow]

Lmao

[velvet kelp]

noooOo

[fallow pawn]

Why are there books for long blade but not for the other weapon types?

[vivid hollow]

Good point lol

[ornate thicket]

I think at this point because (other than spear) you can can pick a profession or trait with a bonus to all the other ones

[sick pawn]

Maybe it's just as rare as the Long Blade books?

Can anyone disassemble the code to verify this?

[spiral tinsel]

Because there’s like. Only a few long blades In the game. And most of them can’t be repaired and are hella rare

[hasty edge]

@coarse mulch

[coarse mulch]

I would have believed you if you said you had an aircraft carrier in the pool... 😉

[hasty edge]

the loot from what I found is p good, the gun club itself wasn't all too special, just guns, some attachments and loads of ammo, but I've found like 7 military survivor zombies

their backpacks are FULL of books, they have guns of their own and of course, military / swat equipment

example :PP

[elder shadow]

Flexin

[hasty edge]

originally I went down to irvington for the vhs + storage areas but then it was taking way too long and I just gave up and came here lol

guess I found the people that looted the places before me... yeah...

[zinc hatch]

is boredom gain when indoors still a thing? curious, watching series where you entirely play indoors and no boredom in sight

[hasty edge]

yes

[zinc hatch]

so still when you take LV mall all for yourself with all the loot for the gods to get their split, you get bored looting the hell out of the place

[lucid gate]

they likely disabled bordem via sandbox

[zinc hatch]

probably, perhaps later taking actions will counteract boredom even indoors

[lucid gate]

hmmm wait

not a thing, but there is a mod that does this

[zinc hatch]

it was a thing in b41 at least, just haven't played a lot of indoors in b42

[lucid gate]

bordem exist but no option to tweak or disable it

[sick pawn]

boredom*

[velvet kelp]

boardum

[elder shadow]

boardum

[lucid gate]

debug testing some stuff before my run

[fallow pawn]

settings?

[elder shadow]

What are u testing

[lucid gate]

weather

and zombies, im doing cryogenic winter run

but not the challange run , a mod that lets me run cryo but allows me to sandbox too

[zinc hatch]

winter so comfy, lacking real winters IRL for some years now

[lucid gate]

THIS IS A FUCKING THING?!?!?!?!? LOL

[zinc hatch]

dont think it actually works

it is a setting, but the setting itself doesn't work. I believe TIS member confirmed this long while ago

[hasty edge]

Only thing that changes with time is zombie appearance iirc

I.e. they look dirtier / bloodier

[fallow pawn]

winter is kind if easy, tbh

[lucid gate]

also apperently in b42

[fallow pawn]

lots of clothes avialable

[lucid gate]

grass tiles make you very slow in cold weather/rain/heat

[fallow pawn]

and the ones with most insulation are the same that protect you more

[lucid gate]

mostly noted in my testing with rain and cold weather tho

so warmth is fine. SPEED tho, might be something to look into

[fallow pawn]

The real threat is the hell hot summer

[zinc hatch]

Kentucky needs some chill so cold is an actual thing. I see news from across the world when surprise winter conditions kill people, meanwhile in Finland, we start wearing a shirt when water starts freezing. But suppose we're metagaming and we know to just crapshoot the insulation value so we're always dressed for the weather...

a setting to have extreme climate changes, since just cryogenic or pyrogenic is just swinging the pendulum to one extreme, not both according to the season

[quick sapphire]

It's not a KY winter without a random ice storm

[sick pawn]

Whoa... that's realistic

[elder shadow]

woah

[spiral tinsel]

How come I can die of hypothermia but a zomboid wearing a damn t shirt and shorts can’t 😡😡 grrr

[hasty edge]

They're dead

[spiral tinsel]

True…

Wish they were affected by weather more though

[zinc hatch]

icicle zeds who, upon spring, start thawing more because you thought they're gone

[inland star]

It would be cool if we got an option to have them move slower in winter

Seasonal zombies or something

[fallow pawn]

we need special zeds on vanilla

besides sprinters

maybe, after mont 5, the virus mutates zombies into new forms (aka, new kind of zombies spawn after 5 months)

a witch like zombie would be kind of nice

[spiral tinsel]

Eh tbh I don’t like the idea of it mutating. Why would it need to?

I mean sure the virus might evolve but that would take a while

[fallow pawn]

that screams its lungs out and lure all the other zombies

[spiral tinsel]

I guess. But I don’t think it would make a lot of sense

[zinc hatch]

the last thing I want from this zombie game is to make zombies start becoming more annoying as I get more established, let me play my Stardew Valley

[lucid gate]

do yall have any preventive measures to prevent fast breeding animals from duplicating to all hell

just eat the fuckers?

[spiral tinsel]

Eat them idk

[spiral tinsel]

Yurp

[elder shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-them-all-kill-them-duck-he-knows-what-happened-he-knoews-waht-hapen-gif-26082925

[zinc hatch]

some animals give unrealistically low amount of calories that their bursting population is a welcome balance thing

[spiral tinsel]

How many calories do rabbits have?

[lucid gate]

weirdly alot i forgot how much tho

[spiral tinsel]

I’ve gotten to the point that I don’t need to use margarine to get calories

Wasn’t it like 600?

Idk. I’m glad they added animals and stuff though

Makes surviving past 2 months much better

[velvet kelp]

i can barely stay alive for 3 days with just normal ones lol

[hasty edge]

How

[velvet kelp]

i have the iq of a bran muffin and get overconfident

[hasty edge]

Watch this

Molotov cheese => virus forces propagation as a last ditch attempt => zombie becomes sprinter on fire

https://tenor.com/view/muhehehehehe-evil-laugh-evil-evil-smile-cat-gif-5649987450226411254

You try clearing guns unlimited with fire and now you've made 2k sprinters

[wild frigate]

Where i can read the patch notes??

[ornate thicket]

There’s a channel called patch notes above this one

[simple mauve]

#patchnotes message

[stuck flint]

is anyone else unable to move big items? it seems there is a limit now to how much you can carry even in your open hands, i want to move a 40 units statue out of my truck but cant

[quick sapphire]

That's always been a thing hasn't it? You can't exceed a certain limit. Have you tried being butt-ass naked

[stuck flint]

good idea

[zinc hatch]

50 units is the cap, it can be exceeded in special case like I managed to somehow hold 200 units worth of stuff somehow I do not remember how...

[hasty edge]

only if it's a single item

[elder shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/glorpleave-glorp-leave-cat-ufo-gif-18232033818824651195

[zinc hatch]

dont think there's an item weighing this much, but it was small while ago in a thread where I posted a screenshot of it

probably me filling 17 sacks with dirt/tons of buckets with water

[hasty edge]

take a rain collector, fill it with water, you get 400 liters of pure water in your inv

[zinc hatch]

stronk

[hasty edge]

the rain collector has to be empty before anyhow

[remote urchin]

B42.3 when? 😓☹️

[sand remnant]

Multiplayer Pls

[hollow fox]

All your cows belong to me 😄

[tender pewter]

Lvl 0 Agriculture vs Level 3

[sweet tundra]

Vertical farming is the dream

[elder shadow]

Is that vanilla lmao

[fallow pawn]

42.3 when?

[ornate thicket]

Does level 3 make a big difference?

[sick pawn]

Congratulations, Timberborn Update 7 released with vertical farming.

Today.

[hasty edge]

11 minutes

https://tenor.com/view/steam-happy-steam-happy-gif-17596967000560819819

[sick pawn]

Valve added a new update, to denote early access games that haven't been updated in a long time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/1ii81g4/valve_recently_added_a_small_note_to_early_access/

This will impact Project Zomboid in some fashion.

[elder shadow]

22 minutes

https://tenor.com/view/steam-happy-steam-happy-gif-17596967000560819819

[leaden fjord]

I see it live for BattleBit Remastered, but our "Unstable" is public, so it seems to rely on that information so PZ isn't affected. It will stop the threads of "when was the last time the game updated" hopefully. It won't really stop developers from having an incentive of just doing minor updates every now and then so this doesn't show. Still, good thing for a glance at EA games I think.

[hollow fox]

Nope W900 Semi-Truck [B42] Mod. Best Car Mod

Adds big Rigs and Trailers for them

[velvet kelp]

Lmao ehat in moo factory

The art is so cute, mootastic anooazing

[hasty edge]

actually shows louisville map like a boss

[fallow pawn]

we need this, Indie Stone

make it happen

[hasty edge]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Annotated_Map_(World)#Substation_(WorldStashMap15)

[chrome python]

I want pipe bombs to deal damage to zombies

Like, knock them out, break legs, kill point blank.

more explosive types for an engineer. Like breach charges, to destroy walls

Also, when the pipe bomb damages a player, add shrapnel sticking in like glass and make shrapnel being able to break bones.

It would be so good

Especially for pvp

And make bullets break bones too

[toxic tundra]

MadDan got promoted and now has the Indie Stone role? Cool

[velvet kelp]

[sick pawn]

Yeah. Good to know.

[hasty edge]

@crisp python circle of death

250 handles right there

[crisp python]

thats a big ol pile of handles

[hasty edge]

I have like 8 more piles like that and it's lagging my game when I zoom out LOL

[elder shadow]

Epic

[crisp python]

if youre looking for carving xp they can be further processed

[hasty edge]

yup, logs, planks, medium, small

[crisp python]

small, stakes

[hasty edge]

small actually gives more xp than stakes iirc

[crisp python]

idk but that wouldnt surprise me

[hasty edge]

wiki says it gives double the xp of making a stake

[velvet kelp]

Looks like you got a handle on things

[hasty edge]

https://tenor.com/view/yusuf-grimes-rick-grimes-cowboy-rick-grime-twd-towl-gif-10250436800165258526

[finite gust]

guys, is possible i take these lights?

[elder shadow]

Good question

[velvet kelp]

Nopers

[finite gust]

[fair vault]

Not yet (i will sue the indie stone if they dont let me put fairy lights in my base 😤)

[velvet kelp]

Hahha

Tis plis

[lucid gate]

does anyone know where double sized textures is at? i can't seem to find it in settings

[frigid spindle]

b42 doesnt have it

[lucid gate]

Super weird

[frigid spindle]

the non double sized texture option was ancient and almost nobody used it so they just removed it because it'd be too much work to update the old sprites for the new rendering system i guess

[tender pewter]

they need an option to turn off TAA

[sick pawn]

Report a feature suggestion.

[tender pewter]

likely get buried before its seen

[velvet kelp]

nopers

[frank moon]

nah they check everything in there

[velvet kelp]

lol what i ate a rotten pizza and it killed me

[stuck flint]

weak stomach or just unlucky?

[velvet kelp]

just unlucky lol

[stuck flint]

slice fish fillet recipe is broken, it says theres no fish fillet in your inventory when there is

[hardy cradle]

It does not accept every kind of fish fillet, I don't remember if it is size or another stat

[lucid gate]

Does anyone experience an issue where some animals can be pet and some can't ( outside of certain angles prohibiting that which is normal )

[ornate thicket]

Some of the small ones say ‘too small to filet’ if you mouse over them too maybe it was that?

[stuck flint]

i am yet to try these, but they were not fishing fish, i just found them on a fridge

[vivid hollow]

Definitely was aimed at games like Battlebit, a shame that game became abandonware

[brave badger]

some filles are flagged wrong

tis a bug

[brave badger]

it can be mitigated using your own AA setting in the GPU driver's page

like Nvidia control panel > anisotropic filtering 16x and MFAA turned on also the setting should be something like override any application setting

[sand remnant]

I think the "veteran" profession is very unrealistic and with the updated firearm system it's just broken. I suggest replacing the "desensitized" skill with PTSD so the character will have a panic attack every time

every time there's a loud noise. It would made "veteran" more realistic/balanced and it'll piss off firearm mains which is even better

[tender pewter]

The majority of people were complaining before the last patch veteran wasn't good enough

imo it's a balanced profession, it's still worthwhile to choose the police officer instead as you naturally become 'densensitized' later on in the game

[sand remnant]

And here I am, complaining that it's too good

[tender pewter]

Yeah they'd rather appeal to the majority

I'm with you on the new aiming tho, i preferred the missing but we're given the option to switch to the old aiming system

[fallow pawn]

thursday, boys

today we might see 42.3

[tender pewter]

need that controller compatibililty (building and rubberbanding problems) 🙏

[hasty edge]

11 minutes

[chilly tartan]

Today is Thursday so that means.....

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-gif-24482312

[fallow pawn]

yeah

[chilly tartan]

(Nothing)

[fallow pawn]

2 weeks have passed since B42.2

there has not been any update

[chilly tartan]

And in 24 hours, it will be Friday in California

[fallow pawn]

no 42.2.1

[zinc hatch]

After 60 seconds, a minute has passed

[chilly tartan]

No.....

[fallow pawn]

I assume 42.3 is gonna be the next update

[chilly tartan]

I beg the devs to please name the next build 42.4

It would be so fucking funny

[hardy cradle]

Ahhh right, those can't be turned into fillets, they lack the size info

[ornate thicket]

I just found an ALICE belt so I assume 42.3 will drop in 2 minutes and invalidate old saves lmao

[chilly tartan]

This is the way

[velvet kelp]

lol

[fallow pawn]

can you make an alice belt skin for desert camo?

[velvet kelp]

i want military backpack patch backpack pak

[inland star]

They said we weren’t getting one I believe

[fallow pawn]

green camo has its own alice belt

[chilly tartan]

It's a Kung Foo Panda reference, the character in this gif says "nothing"

[fallow pawn]

we could get a desert one

is not that hard

[inland star]

Oh I see

[sick pawn]

bugfix imcoming? 😄

[ornate thicket]

Imagine being able to add patches to packs! haha and collect the different patches!

[velvet kelp]

ooo yah lol

another collectible haha

[ornate thicket]

I dont think its a bug, they are bait fish i.e. so tiny they basically are already a filet

[sick pawn]

Speaking of the word, "patches", it reminded me of acne patches. Now I'm wondering if our characters can have acne on the face?

oh...

[ornate thicket]

eat them whole on toast mmmmm

[velvet kelp]

like a smoked oyster

[ornate thicket]

I assume they are going to add other food preserving things like smoking one day!

[hollow fox]

I might have killed some amount of zombies to enter luisville

[hasty edge]

:<

Why, let them be

Natural habitat

[velvet kelp]

cheesus christ

[hollow fox]

around 2000 9mm bullets where lost but the military base is nearly free. M16 here i come

... there might be more zombies... gosh dammit are there a lot of zombies in b42 luisville

[fallow pawn]

wtf

42 suspenders?

[hollow fox]

make it 55 after looting the straglers ^^"

[fallow pawn]

did you kill them with fire?

[hollow fox]

Nope

M9 Pistol and Axe

My trusty foldable chair was a life safer ^^ Far faster to rest and get up again compared to the floor

[velvet kelp]

lol oh nice

[ripe patio]

in build 41 I had the brita gun mod and it added a sawed off shot gun that could be attached to a holster

it was my favorite weapon

[hollow fox]

some... zombies left...

i killed another 500. it dosn't end...

[elder shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/sh2-silent-hill-2-fog-gif-1321460155140227201

[boreal hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/binge-watching-binge-bunny-bunny-after-easter-vegetables-gif-25430143

[fallow pawn]

so..

[elder shadow]

Epic

[zinc hatch]

Bunnies are epic but have less braincells than zeds

[elder shadow]

Lmao

[zinc hatch]

one of mine ate the rubber off anti-sag bracket for my GPU within 5 seconds I put my gaze away from it

[velvet kelp]

lol , when i had rats i had one chew through a pink razer mouse cable in blink of an eye

[zinc hatch]

for the record the bracket was not installed yet so no bunny inside a PC

[zinc hatch]

me wife lost her right joystick off her Switch, or the rubber, she just took a pee and left Switch on a bed

[velvet kelp]

lmao , now add that type of behavior to pz. rabbits chewing generator cables !!

[zinc hatch]

only if we can tame wolves to hunt those rabbits

or otherwise genocide their population

[velvet kelp]

raccoon snackers

[hollow fox]

My cat had learned that i will pay real attention to her when she "chews" on my pc cables... she used it anytime dinner, play or pet time was late...

[velvet kelp]

ahaha , i love how they figure things out like that

[elder shadow]

F

[hollow fox]

she also quickly figured out that i would only get angry if she actually chewed the cable...

[velvet kelp]

so she just pretends?

[hollow fox]

or she disliked the shock from the usb ^^

[velvet kelp]

lol

[hollow fox]

yup just put it in her tiny mouth and started staring at me.

[zinc hatch]

I was once amazed licking a battery gave you a zap and tasted like...salmiakki

[velvet kelp]

😆

[hasty edge]

this place got de-atomized violently

[hollow fox]

fire found the watercollector filled with gasoline

https://tenor.com/view/incident-gif-2747499635347300991

[velvet kelp]

LOl what the hell happened hahaha

[hasty edge]

idk

[hasty edge]

I'm guessing it was a fire meta-event

but the tiles are glitching the hell out

[ornate thicket]

Quantum flames

[elder shadow]

Lmao

[fallow pawn]

so...

no 42.3?

[hasty edge]

11. Minutes.

[fallow pawn]

don't you know another joke?

[elder shadow]

22. Minutes.

Lmfao

[hasty edge]

33 minutes.

be nice, enjoy your life 🥰

[ornate thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[elder shadow]

More time = much better

[ornate thicket]

This is true

They are certainly cooking

[elder shadow]

[stuck flint]

proximity inventory? thats so unrealistic and overpowered

anyways, does anyone know why my character can only grow an honest abe its so annoying and ugly it always just grows that no moustache

also what is going on with that elementary school bunker in rosewood lol it feels so sketchy why is it locked up and a whole room full of nothing but benches

[severe urchin]

Did they add jacked zombies yet

[elder shadow]

Did they add obese zombies yet

[severe urchin]

Did they add hunger, thirst, boredom, unhappiness, and stress to zombies yet

[prisma estuary]

did they add zombies yet

[elder shadow]

Did they add yet

[frigid spindle]

its the only medium length beard i think so it just defaults to that

[spiral tinsel]

Did they

[outer pawn]

they did

[elder shadow]

Lmfao

[fallow pawn]

Indie Stone... this chicken bug has been in the game since B42 launch...

when are you going to fix it?

[elder shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/link-zelda-cuckoo-illestzz-run-gif-16788331

[minor wigeon]

i hope that you can read the little notes people leave in the future that would be cool

[elder shadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1092213297765429350/1302112171500638229/him.gif

[elder shadow]

The chicken apocalypse

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-running-away-running-chicken-attack-gif-21856545

[vivid hollow]

Buff veteran

[sand remnant]

Nerf veteran

[vivid hollow]

Buff veteran and then nerf it before buffing it again back to where it is now

[elder shadow]

Nerf and buff

[elder shadow]

Did they fix the

[hasty edge]

the when the it happened just like that

[vivid hollow]

the

[leaden fjord]

Lots of checks were added to stop this from occurring, unfortunately, it's still occurring. It's not a matter of ignoring it. We don't have solid reproduction steps as to why it's still occurring in some places. Then we have people using mods that may have an effect on top of that making bug reports invalid.

If you do have any known reproduction steps that cause this to occur, that would certainly help get it fixed.

[upbeat shore]

Are concrete floors possible? I remember doing it in B41 with bags of concrete and buckets, but I can't remember if that was vanilla or soulfilcher's masonry mod.

[hollow fox]

Is that a new save from B42.2 or from before?

SInce my chicken are behaiving

[elder shadow]

They know...

[hasty edge]

The chicken-pocalypse...

In 10 years of in-game time the first neolithic chicken civilizations will arise. Mark my words.

[quick notch]

I thik there should just be a hard cap on how many new chickens can be born in a set time limit, like maybe 3-4 within a week?

that could probably counter the chickenpocolypse completely

[hollow fox]

that is a stopgab solution that would break the second mp is added. maybe make it so that eggs only have a chance to be fertilized eggs (and make it people with high skill can tell which is what) and make it so that only part of them hatch unless they are in a breeder (nice self made building that would give electronics skill atleast one use 😉 )

[nimble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-attack-gif-22611179

[ornate thicket]

Yeah they need to fix it and people need to give them the time to do so, it will get fixed!

[hollow fox]

How can an Film look so cheap but have so smooth animations? 😄

Well tiny Gif Frames can be helpfull

[nimble meadow]

Idk but it’s the most amazing thing ever XD

[hasty edge]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-smoking-cigarette-gif-11562614

smoker trait or smth idk

[slow silo]

In b42, are there any plans to return with the possiliby of knowing when the character has completely rested after fighting ? And also it seems that resting in a chair is no longer faster than resting on the ground.

[hollow fox]

End Tally of clearing the check point of luisville: Around 4500 Zombies killed (Population set to High) No Car no Fire. Shooting wen't from 3 to 9, axe from 2 to 8 and long blunt from 5 to 7. Also i leveled butchering twice from all the rats and mice i used to get food in the two weeks of non stop fighting xD

[hollow fox]

.... the new "lootet" buildings SUCK for special places like the check point. it had barely anything. I will turn that option off until it gets changed or we can exclude important pois...

[velvet kelp]

i love them lol i put them on insane and from the start

[hollow fox]

you do you but i dislike killing nearly 5k zombies to get no loot

[velvet kelp]

i feel like gun stores and important stores would end up being looted eventually especialy once npcs get added

[sharp knot]

too many updates at once have me expecting one every day now, this long a wait for the next one has to mean MP

[hollow fox]

more likely the next batch of crafting recipes and stations

[hasty edge]

I like it.

Makes places more desolate looking.

[hollow fox]

maybe a new type of work station (drying racks that take time insteat of instant in example)

[hasty edge]

I wish we could move the workstations we have now lol

[hollow fox]

yes... also the bandsaw should be moveable (prop in some places that allows quick metal working for pipes and plates)

[spiral tinsel]

DAMN

I was looking at the picture like “what’s the bug?” Then I get jumpscared as soon as I look to the right 😭

I thought it was a gui bug

[ornate thicket]

Yeah I don’t think they are going to put MP out until all the features are rolled in and pretty bug free

[spiral tinsel]

I think they should add mp when b42 is fully done tbh

Everything will be done and it would probably work a lot smoother.

They said it’s gonna come out in unstable though.

[hollow fox]

Atleast my drip is complete

[fallow pawn]

I noticed this happens when you you fast forward (x6, I was exercising and reading skill books). Also, I had a male chicken, the coop was already built, also, something that I did is putting food in a crate, I don't usually do it but I did in that specific save.

I didn't use any big mods, just some quality of life like simple moodles, combat text, weapon durability showing, weapon info, and simple status

nothing that would change the gameplay

[boreal hollow]

Don’t ever buy no weed from Muldraugh

[sick pawn]

We need to really try and reproduce the chicken apocalypse without using any single mod and then try whatever we can to get this nailed down for the devs.

Even simple mods out there can indirectly affect the chicken populations

[velvet kelp]

yeah i have no idea what causes it i have never come across it but i havent been using hutches?

[ornate thicket]

Happened to me without any mods at all and I posted on the forums - I found a farm with chickens and tried to take one out of the hutch, and I got it but a copy also stayed in the hutch. When I put that chicken in my hutch and it tried to leave in the morning multiple copies just kept walking out lol

So its almost like the first chicken was corrupt or something

Notably it hasn't happend at all since, I just don't take chickens out of prebuilt hutches, only off the map walkingh

[sick pawn]

It definitely feels like it has to do with the chicken hutches.

[velvet kelp]

whats in there!! we must go inside and see

[sick pawn]

Eggs. Eggs everywhere.

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-woody-everywhere-toy-toystory-gif-10833476

[fallow pawn]

incorrect

[ornate thicket]

To me lol

[fallow pawn]

I took a cockerel out of a crashed trailer

and it was that cockerel that cloned itself

It definately has something to do with fast forward

I have a theory

chickens enter the hutch and then they go out

is when the chickens are exiting the hutch when this problem occurs

When using the fast forward button, the game doesn't read well the action of the chicken going out of the hutch, resulting in one chicken exiting the hutch while the hutch itself can't read the command (due to fast forward) and still reads that a chicken is still inside

therefore, endless identical chickens appear out of the hutch, because the game reads said chicken to have never left the hutch

[fallow pawn]

thats my theory, idk if you can check this

[ornate thicket]

Has anyone tested if exercise regularity reduces muscle strain from it?\

[sick pawn]

No, it doesn't really reduce it.

On a side note, I really wished we can toss or throw zombies over the fences, much like how zombies can be tossed through windows.

[fallow pawn]

I've been testing the chickens without mods, it happens specially with huge fast forward (x1000, in debug mode)

[fallow pawn]

I hope you get a read of this, it took me half an hour testing it with already existing chickens, spawned chickens from the debug menu, chickens in abandoned trailers, naturally generated hutches and built hutches

days passed normally and they never cloned, is when you use fast forward that the thing happens

@leaden fjord

[leaden fjord]

I have, thanks. We'll look into it

[sick pawn]

Nice. Have a Sapporo day. Hopefully the bug gets fixed

[leaden fjord]

This hurts my soul deeply
Since we know this in general is a bug we're trying to track down, not the biggest deal but any mod of any kind can affect any part of the game 😄

I always see this when someone is surprised how they got a mod just for something like adding a new weapon and then they can't drive cars anymore or something

[sick pawn]

I stan unmodded gameplay all the way.

[velvet kelp]

lol i had a backpack mod add flashing lights once

was so weird

[sick pawn]

Yeah, never trust any mods.

[velvet kelp]

ok but my ratpak

[sick pawn]

Request to add them into the base game. 😄

[velvet kelp]

LOL

id get barred from suggestions

[sick pawn]

That's the best way. The best outcome.

[velvet kelp]

turning rats into hand clutches

[fallow pawn]

check out the last comment, I tested it without mods

[leaden fjord]

I just meant in general 😄
"Don't have any mods affecting (relevant issue)" always hurts my soul

[ornate thicket]

Not sure if it has anything to do with it, but when this happened to me I'd built my coop right in the corner such that there was fence directly along its north and west edges

[elder shadow]

Flexin

[sand remnant]

irl, In order to get chickens, the hen needs to sit on the eggs for a certain amount of time. In the game, you can make the maximum number of hatched chickens depend on the number of hens. For example,

One hen can produce up to 4 chicks, for this you need to leave the eggs in the henhouse for a week. So if a player has 3 hens, he can get a maximum of 12 chicks per week. In fact, there will be fewer because not all

The eggs are fertilized, and some hens will hatch fewer eggs than 4 at a time

Also it can be made that some of little ones would never reach adulthood due to sickness

[sand remnant]

So there's can be a calculated hard limit of how much chickens one animal zone can produce

[sick pawn]

Basically, the Minecraft entity limit in a single block space?

[fallow pawn]

I hope the chicken bug is fixed in B42.3, eggs are the most reliable food source right now

[elder shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/war-cat-kill-em-all-gif-27308674

[fair vault]

Well from what was just said it seems a likely cause for the problem is fast forwarding

So likee maybe when the game is going too fast it pumps out like 7 chickens instead of 1 because it couldnt update the values fast enough or something

[lucid gate]

I have better meme

https://youtu.be/kiv8CUnQjpo?si=Rn9RWJVv73Rs7mLW Russian cat meme

[elder shadow]

Lmao

[fallow pawn]

yeah

It took me 1 hour to find out

[chrome python]

Im literally addicted to a release of dophamine after pach notes

and i want... no, i need more

[elder shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rainbow-addicted-gif-18093721

[fallow pawn]

there is new patch notes?

[chrome python]

No, and that is the issue.

[fallow pawn]

2 weeks since the last update, we need at least some patch notes

[outer pawn]

Let them have some time cooking, there's gonna be a patch when a new set of changes is ready for the wider audience, they still do internal testing before pushing to unstable

[elder shadow]

More time = better

[balmy citrus]

sometimes if it’s a major thing they can’t simply implement then send it out, gotta fix all the bugs it causes

[hasty edge]

Is the "miss" chance supposed to be that high with maxed out aiming?

[undone finch]

On my run double wooden gate bugged, I tried to build 3 times: resources used (and lost)without gate being constructed (but Exp in carpentry gained). Just for test I tried to build a wooden crate and that is ok. Only double gate for vehicles is bugged (tried also to reboot the game)

[remote urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/kogama-new-update-when-gif-21405861

[elder shadow]

Lmao

[remote urchin]

The only thing that keeps me from not playing this version is just the weird melee and push range to zombies

thats why i cant wait for the update and hope they fix that bug

[hasty edge]

@wet heart

That right there is a prone zombie p sure

[wet heart]

so aim is just nonexistant and guns should be ignored until there is absolute definitive proven evidence that the devs have actually managed to make the gun point at the aimed direction

[hasty edge]

Some weapons work better than others but shotguns are the worst offenders.

As in you have to physically point the model of the shotgun at the skull of the zombie.

[wet heart]

but even then the bullets dont go that way as your image shows

feels like they stuck a top-down 2D aim system over an isometric image and said "good enough"

those bullets clearly originate from the characters balls in that screenshot

because that's centre screen

[hasty edge]

There's a muzzle flash originating in the barrel but then the 3d bullets seem to tp to the red line

[wet heart]

the muzzle flash is physically attached to the shotgun model, but if we trace the trajectory through the middle of the shot cluster back to the character, it was clearly fired from the balls

because by default the character's balls are the centre of the screen, and its a flat top-down circle they're using for the bullet trajectory, starting from centre screen

[hasty edge]

What's strange is that apparently the 'aim detect' radius is essentially two rectangles glued together going out from the barrel of the gun (distance from character depends on the length of the barrel and seemingly this is why you can't kill prone zombies with shotguns)

As in, you won't be able to trigger the character to aim at them.

Right here he was aiming at some off screen zombie lol, iirc.

[wet heart]

it mostly boils down to "feature not yet implemented thoroughly enough for testing"

[hasty edge]

Wouldn't it have been easier for the gun itself to literally follow the crosshair.

And then when it touches an object / entity like a car or a zombie to then 'detect'

[wet heart]

probably yeah, that's what i hope the end goal is, because otherwise its just the green outline system but worse

[hasty edge]

. Xd

Max aim, no moodles, time to aim, still decent chance to 'miss'

[wet heart]

the guns should just point at and directly fire towards the crosshair, the bullets should always, without fail, be fired in the exact direction of the crosshair (with randomisation for low skill/moodles ofc)

[hasty edge]

Assuming they have bones (they likely do for anims), they could probably do a code input that actually physically jitters the characters aim / arms in relation to moodle values

[wet heart]

it should not be a weird combo of rng and aim, either you have green outline RNG system, or you put it all entirely on player skill with pointing the crosshair, but don't do both because then you end up with garbage that noone can use

[hasty edge]

It'd both be visual feedback and since the bullets are 3d, they could miss

https://tenor.com/view/freeze-shocked-stunned-point-gun-nervous-gif-15272534

Like this, if that makes sense.

[wet heart]

yes, as a visual indicator of widened aim cone, but you still dont use green outline RNG while also asking the player to precisely position a crosshair, if you have a crosshair you remove the green outline RNG and you leave it to the player to place the crosshair and therefore the aim cone in the correct location and honour it when they get it right, you do not under any circumstances make the player position the crosshair and aim cone properly and then just roll a dice and say "lol 0 damage get fucked boi"

[hasty edge]

The aim values need to be readjusted heavily. That's literally 10 or so meters in the screenshot and you can see how big the cone is.

10 is generous, actually.

It's around 7.

If I need to hug a zombie to reliably hit shots then whats the point of guns, lol.

[wet heart]

here's an example of what i mean demonstrated using barotrauma: the gun always points at the crosshair and fires towards the crosshair, and if a bullet collides with a target it always does the damage it is supposed to, and if you aim at a greater distance, the aim cone is wider, but the bullets you fire will still function as bullets if they hit something, it does not randomly decide that you missed for no reason, and it does not randomly decide that a landed shot does 0 damage because it wasn't the target you directly aimed at

[hasty edge]

Yup, fair.

[sick pawn]

Can you draw where the mouse cursor was at at the time of the firing?

Maybe the mouse cursor has to do with the aiming and the path.

[wet heart]

the centre of this is the exact mouse position

[hasty edge]

.

[sick pawn]

In the picture, where?

I know about the cursor

[wet heart]

oh, sorry wrong image

[sick pawn]

No, I meant in the picture where the projectiles are shooting out from the groin.

[hasty edge]

I replied to myself lol

Leads to where the img is

[wet heart]

the same image,

its not my screenshot

[sick pawn]

Ah, it was in the other picture. That's so off from what I thought is where the bullets are heading to.

I thought the cursor would be where the blue and the white lines intersect.

This new aiming system doesn't make sense.

[hasty edge]

Prone zombie in front. Aim detection sees zombie off screen and aims there with the gun. Bullets try to go to the crosshair I'm assuming.

Shotguns 99.95% of the time don't detect prone zombies.

[wet heart]

at close range its just completely fucking off from direction of gun and direction of fire

[sick pawn]

No, what should have been is the bullets should be flying towards where the cursor is.

At the very least, if the point of origin is from the groins, then the blue line should have intersected towards where the cursor is located.

But looking at the white bullet projectile paths, they do not intersect with the cursor.

Or that the mouse cursor needs to go back to using the 3D cursor.

[hasty edge]

Pretty sure it is 3d, we just don't see the iso circle

[wet heart]

yep, thats the issue i've been complaining about, it's just doing whatever the fuck it likes despite giving you a crosshair and expecting you to position it

[sick pawn]

Cursor that points downwards to the ground.

[hasty edge]

Ah.

Personally I think shotguns should be buffed to be insta kills on hit, not just 'miss' lol. At worst 2 hits to kill.

They'd blow off massive chunks of meat with each connect.

[wet heart]

guns should just have a flat damage per bullet and leave it entirely to player skill to send the bullets in a useful direction

no RNG on the damage, no "miss" RNG to randomly nullify bullets

if you keep damage RNG and miss RNG, then you need to go back to the green outline aiming system

[hardy cradle]

That would make an aiming skill pointless

[wet heart]

no it would not, aiming skill shrinks the aim cone around centre of crosshair

[hardy cradle]

And what would that do if you always have the crosshair where you want it?

[wet heart]

think of it like a first person shooter with a hipfire crosshair that changes size to indicate an area in which the bullet will land, the bullet may go off from the centre but if it does happen to hit something then the bullet will function as a bullet and simply do the damage it is supposed to do

if you have low skill or moodles that is a large crosshair, if you are calm and high skill then its a small crosshair

but when it is a small crosshair, that means it is now up to player skill not RNG

[hasty edge]

Personally I think if you put in the work to level up from 0 to 10 in however much time it'd take (realistically months to years), you should be rewarded with the ability to consistently get kills with your weapon of choice, lol.

And because the 'advice' would be to zoom in your pov (so as to put the crosshair more accurately), you'd still immerse yourself in actually tunnel-visioning.

Which in turn means you're not omniscient and can still be put in a lot of danger by hordes converging on your position.

I need to be this close to get headshot kills consistently with 10 aim?

Nothing actually changed between doing that at lvl 0 and at lvl 10.

[wet heart]

here's an example of what i mean (pretend that is a living zombie standing there)

the bullet's trajectory will garaunteed pass somewhere through the white circle, higher skill makes that circle smaller so the bullet is more predictable, if the bullet intersects with the head of a zombie anywhere along its path then it applies its damage to that zombie

and that includes zombies nearer to and further from the player than the circle, if the bullet crosses path with a zombie's head at any point during the bullet's existence it should just apply the damage to whatever zombie it hit

this would also mean spraying into a crowd has a much higher likelyhood of hitting something, instead of the current system which hits nothing a majority of the time

and it should not have any RNG beyond the random offset within the white circle and the slight randomness of damage (that i assume the guns still have?)

[hardy cradle]

This is not a first person shooter, those are about player skill purely. What works for a game may not work for other games, specially of a different genre

[wet heart]

look past the example of FPS, of course this isn't an FPS, but that doesn't mean you are excluded from at least drawing inspiration from some of their features

[hardy cradle]

Consistently doesn't mean always. Yes, there's probably a lot of balancing to do still, but taking RNG out of the equation is probably overkill.

[wet heart]

my intention with these ideas is to have an intuitive shooting mechanic, one that a new player can figure out after just a couple shots, and the simple fact is that FPS games got that right, so adapting their methods to fit into zomboid would yield intuitive results

[hasty edge]

No, I do agree with you, but from my experience even at aim 10 you still don't get good headshots as often as you should. Lets assume aiming at level 0 is someone who has never held a gun, who hasn't shot once, perfectly fine. And a person at level 10 lets say they're extremely proficient, someone who could pass for an olympic shooter.

The amount of times from my experience that medium-range hits haven't ended in a kill is more than it should realistically be. It's not 100 meters, it's not 200 meters, 10-25-50 meters at most.

[wet heart]

i must insist you do read the updated example below the mention of FPS, the one with the zomboid example images, as i feel it does a better job of explaining my intentions

[fallow pawn]

this is not true

remember that any item that gives you vision imparment

significatevly decreases your aim

[elder shadow]

[hasty edge]

[fallow pawn]

I have aim 8 in my character and I always take off my bone mask and military helmet for shooting. It gets consistent headshots

[hasty edge]

How does having a helmet realistically impair your ability to aim?

[fallow pawn]

The aim system is fine

[fallow pawn]

is a game, dude

[velvet kelp]

probably depends on type i guess

[hasty edge]

Well he said military helmet, so I'm guessing gulf war type which it would probably have none? lol

[fallow pawn]

M14, aiming 8, x4 scope and eagle eyed

[hasty edge]

seems like it, matches shape

[fallow pawn]

the crosshair becomes small and one shots any zombie I fire

so, the aiming system is fine, the difference with aiming 0 is huge

[hasty edge]

m16, laser sight, red dot sight

[fallow pawn]

I fire from one border of the screen to the other

[velvet kelp]

i would just take it off if im using guns since theyre pretty strong weapon in general and if i am using them its because i dont want to be near the little bitey thingies

[hasty edge]

that's one of the weapons I tested it with

[fallow pawn]

M16 is not a precision rifle

you are comparing apples with oranges

M16 is the rifle with less precision in the game

[hasty edge]

I tested it with double barrel, js, m1911, 9mm, de, 1 revolver

[fallow pawn]

Is like trying to eat soup with a fork and complaining is not efficient

[craggy panther]

does anyone know when multiplayer is coming out for build 42?

[velvet kelp]

nopers , no eta probably once basic things get balanced, bugged free

[craggy panther]

so like 4 years

[hardy cradle]

Keep in mind that I posted my opinion on the matter, it may not reflect TIS' design choices and should not count as an official comment. I'm not the dev working on that part of the game and I trust they'll do a great job given enough time

[velvet kelp]

i dont know how long it will take, this build is way bigger than 41, its not something i think about

[hardy cradle]

The challenge here is to not punish new players too much while still making it clear that character skill, moodles, weather and so on really matter when firing

[fallow pawn]

nothing will be bigger than B41

[hasty edge]

I agree.

[craggy panther]

fairs any posibility that a modder will release a scuffed version or does that not happen

never played before mulitplayer was on build 41

[velvet kelp]

i dont know i dont play with mods and i dont even know if that is allowed if its a feature that is disable for a reason

[fallow pawn]

The game is taking good choices

but please, fix the chicken bug

[fallow pawn]

and a question, why do you hate spears?

they suck

[velvet kelp]

i have never gotten that dang bug lol but once and it was like rooster farts on a road

[fallow pawn]

and are in dire need of a buff

[hasty edge]

Akshually, if it was up to accuracy 'stats' -- the m16 at the ranges most players shoot at would effectively be on-the-dot.

Apparently it has an accuracy of 11 cm @ 100 meters; in-game, we obviously don't shoot at that range.

But yes, the m14 is more accurate than the m16.

[fallow pawn]

is funny how all your tests were done with short ranged weapons

and you complain about having to be at short range to shoot them

[hasty edge]

So in your view a medium ranged assault rifle is meant to be used at a distance of 5 meters or less?

[fallow pawn]

I'll just end this discusion with this:

Stop trying to eat soup with a fork.

[hasty edge]

Sure thing, appreciate your input. ❤️

I personally don't agree with it, but you like it and it's your right.

[velvet kelp]

i eat cereal with a fork

[lucid gate]

Jail

[velvet kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/hellraiser-pinhead-what-coolstorybro-head-gif-4593768

[hardy cradle]

We are working on it

[hardy cradle]

I don't hate spears, I simply wasn't a fan so I didn't buy a single album

[velvet kelp]

lol

[fallow pawn]

hhh

hahaha

[hollow coral]

[quaint wing]

finally

[hasty edge]

Awesome, congrats.

[velvet kelp]

[pale storm]

finding those abandoned vans on the road in good shape is very rewarding.

[signal lava]

I don't know if u ever been in the army but i did and yes helmets are really a problem, today maybe less cause the new generations of helmet much more smaller than 28 years ago, example if u read mark bowden's black hawk down u can read that the delta forces were using the hockey helmets cause they weren't give so much troubles than the pasgt

[hasty edge]

Appreciate the insight. How much would you say having a helmet would impact your ability to aim -- and at what distances (by that I mean if you were to shoot at say 25 meters how much would that impact vs for 100-150 meters)?

[pale storm]

wearing glasses with short sighted should help with firearm accuracy and aiming.

[signal lava]

so by my personal experience, depend by the position, the prone one is the most uncomfortable ever, the helmet even when it well fasten sometimes it can move make you adjusted a bit sometimes when u turn your head also it move a bit, is very uncomfortable and gave me discomfort to wear it, u sweat a lot so u must clean your eyes,and the side view is pretty blocked causing you to turn your head. if u have to aim in front of u and it did't move it's okay, but if even for a bit it move cause it-s to big u are constantly adjust it, i think in terms of the game should't be a factor for the aim but mostyly the discomfort and the cone of view, i would say more discomfort u are wearing more your aim should have a malus

in a zombie apocalypse i will never wear an helmet, it just useless, it doesn't protect you from being bitten, at all, but this is my personal point of view

[hasty edge]

Lol. True -- but in PZ the military helmet offers 100% head protection.

[signal lava]

i know this is a terrible thing, shoul be only gave protection by bullets

today-s helmets are different cause they are smaller and more head' shaped, u feel less discomfort and more stability

[hasty edge]

Equipment will be more important in the future.

With the advent of human npcs in b43, you will be facing both melee and ranged weapons (guns).

[signal lava]

with the firefight with the npc will have avalue if they change it with bulletproof

but still i think the debuff the character should have should come from the discomfort

[hasty edge]

I'm guessing the protection value will be the same for both zombies and guns. If it says 100% it means it'll eat up the first headshot.

Which is good.

[signal lava]

i'll guess how it is fighting zombies with all those protections we are used to wear in pz, i think is very uncomfortable

[hasty edge]

Alrighty, would it be possible for the muzzle flash light origin to come from the muzzle itself and not center-point on the player?

during / after shooting

before shooting

the idea is that it'd illuminate the front of the character and leave a shadow behind the character

[hardy cradle]

Characters don't have a "real" shadow

[hasty edge]

Could it be implemented in some form? Too much hassle I'm assuming.

The light looks a bit neutral toned, maybe something stronger + warmer would look better?

Just ideas, I guess, wondering how it'd look in a fully dark room and relying on muzzle flash lighting alone to see here and there.

[fallow pawn]

is there a date for B42.3?

[zinc hatch]

"when its ready" or alternatively "ask him yourself, I don't know about his love life"

[sick pawn]

I think someone else is looking into that (MadDan)

[sick pawn]

Of course not. If they do have a date, we would've already known it by now.

We're pretty hardcore when it comes to ETAs.

[zinc hatch]

Ya'll got any more of that...Build 42?

[sick pawn]

About the aiming and shooting issue, I would like to request for an accessibility feature where you can see the previous bullet trajectories until you fire your next one.

Maybe that's a debug feature?

But I really really wanted to watch bullets fly in the game.

I wanted to see the entrails and the white clouds of thin lines spewing out from the bullets and hitting the zombies.

And maybe have the game do some "Bullet Time" when shooting at zombies. John Romero movies have some slow-motion moments. 😄

[fair vault]

Ah yes, the most realiatic feature: bullet time

[frail tiger]

Facts

[elder shadow]

Xdn't

[teal drum]

what month do cows breed? I cant seem to breed my cows

[red bison]

hey guys im having some issue with pushing with bare hands and it is far like i can push a zombie which is far from me about 3 zombies

version 42.2.0

[brave badger]

!bugreport

[graceful dragon]

Your report on Discord might end up being lost to the void. Please report bugs on our forums or Steam:

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/85-bug-reports/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/6/

[ornate thicket]

This is a known issue 🙂

[fair vault]

All zomboid characters are Jedi now, its a feature

[fathom burrow]

guys, do u have problems with doubling of the loot containers? Or some furniture? I've come accross double bookcase (like, there was one visible bookcase, but there were TWO in the loot menu), double electric forge, and double campfire (i could make 2 campfires separately).

[fallow pawn]

no 42.3 yet?

[hasty edge]

https://tenor.com/view/sahnap-cat-cat-meme-eye-shy-gif-13190993575020735089

[small linden]

not yet but they must be cooking something big for the past 2 weeks

[primal dock]

its prob/ I hope its mp but ill be sad if its just "we fixed a window break 0.5ms delay sound"

[velvet kelp]

think if it was just one thing they would wait until there is more lol

[quick notch]

is it a known bug that all annotated maps are just LV?

[elder shadow]

I've found annotated maps that are not just lv

[inland star]

It’s a message

[fallow pawn]

TIS, are you aware that ALICE belts become invisible when you put a sweater or a jacket on?

is this intended or are you planing to fix it?

[fair vault]

The copium from some of the members here is immense

Mp is not releasing soon lol

[elder shadow]

Copium

[ornate thicket]

Right lol

[small linden]

Mp is gonna be like the last thing they bring into the game and for the best

[elder shadow]

🗣️

The copium

[small linden]

much copium we all have but it gonna be best results in the end

[elder shadow]

More time = better

[small linden]

Agreed

[velvet kelp]

people that say they want mp i feel havent run into the bugs and balancing issues there currently are are are

[elder shadow]

Lmao

[hardy cradle]

Probably to avoid clipping of those models, so I'd say intended.

[outer pawn]

yeah, a uneducated guess would be after the new crafting system is fully implemented

[sinful marsh]

When new build release

[ornate thicket]

Maybe this week?

[sick pawn]

Soon™️

[elder shadow]

Soon™️

[small linden]

Soon™️

[quick sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-cat-peeking-gif-8420673

[ornate thicket]

Zune™️

[toxic tundra]

Soon™️

[small linden]

Well if they stick to any schedule they gonna release B42.3.0 in a day or 2 because they are letting some streamers like Drunkonlife play the new patch early. From his first stream to when B42.1.0 unstable releases it was a about day or two so Soon™️

[hasty edge]

https://tenor.com/view/explain-cat-confused-gif-7427957627644190403

[small linden]

Im just saying

[velvet kelp]

lol pz players finding one crumb of pattern and mapping out a mapper map

[small linden]

Soon™️

[minor wigeon]

Soon™️

[toxic tundra]

Soon™️

[ornate thicket]

If I was forced to guess i'd say tomorrow

[ornate thicket]

Every time I open discord and see a notification I hope it’s pz hahaha

[small linden]

hopefully tomorrow it will be the day but you might have cursed it and it comes out later

[ornate thicket]

I threw salt over my shoulder just now all good

[hasty edge]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-5132983713244395301

[velvet kelp]

[small linden]

I might be on that Hopium don't take me on it

[brave badger]

The procedural generation at the map borders is wild atm, it keeps filling up RAM and then dumps the cached immediately which I don't think is normal behaviour from the engine

[small linden]

nvm it's gonna be like 5 or 6 days until we see next patch I completely missed some of Drunkonlife videos that showed him playing a patch before it came out for all

I just love destroying everyone's hope

[velvet kelp]

lol

[brave badger]

maybe more depending on the amount of fixes they want to push

or content, if it's ready of course

[sick pawn]

Every time I see this, I can't stop myself from seeing someone wearing red socks is getting swallowed.

[velvet kelp]

lol stop

[sick pawn]

Stop what? You can't unsee.

[velvet kelp]

haha

i dontw anan unsee

err i want to

[sharp knot]

Does it contain MP?

[small linden]

were not going to see Mp for a long time

[hollow coral]

why?

do you know something the rest of us peasants dont?

start talking!

[upbeat shore]

I think I've solved the chickenpocalypse problem. The solution is clear. Predators must be introduced to cull the numbers of the chickens. B42 needs to add bears to eat the chickens. Also feral dogs or wolves.

All Indie Stone has to do is recreate the entire ecological process, that can't be too hard right?

[velvet kelp]

there is a sanbox option for a meta event of it , not sure how well it works

[upbeat shore]

I've had it on, doesn't seem to do anything as far as I've seen. Maybe it doesn't affect me because I have tall walls up around my chickens?

Also, I really want bears before multiplayer comes around, because it'd be hilarious to spawn bears on people as a server owner.

[ornate thicket]

Wolves too! They already howl

[solemn escarp]

when coop?

[velvet kelp]

no eta

[elder shadow]

eta no

[sacred frigate]

how long y'all think before we see the rest of the crafting content? its wicked how much they added already. currently in my longest run for b42 (just got into sept) and just started digging into the weapon crafting stuff. its wicked how much we can make now

[fallow pawn]

B42.3 will have: Plumbing back and raccoons

maybe the rest of the recipes

[sacred frigate]

fr raccoons?

I thought that wasnt till b43

[fallow pawn]

yeah, I saw raccoons on a tester's stream

[fair vault]

Racoons are already fairly feature complete on a surface level, you can spawn them in now with debug mode

[sacred frigate]

do they serve a purpose to the player like deer for hunting? or are they just there for abience like the rats

would be cool if like, garbage left out at bases could attract them or somethin. have them directly interact with the player that way as opposed to just seeing them running around while driving thru town like the rats

[toxic tundra]

chicken coops are in the game already

[velvet kelp]

lol

[toxic tundra]

there’s no PZ without raccoons or Spiffo

[fair vault]

Animals at the moment are using basic AI so while the racoons could do that in the future probably not now

[ornate thicket]

Plumbing thank goodness. Any idea if liquids like milk have calories and go rotten?

[fair vault]

Not sure where they got that info

[tender pewter]

tracking skill should merge with foraging imo too much bloat in the skills ui

[upbeat shore]

I can't wait to execute raccoons, those furry little rodent bastards are constantly getting into my trashcans and knocking them over IRL, and digital revenge sounds good.

[velvet kelp]

lol i put out some cat food for this wild cat that was trying to eat birds i feed and i went to check today if it ate it and i couldnt find the plate and the plate its in the middle of my driveway

[upbeat shore]

Raccoons are awful, and I hate how so many people give them a pass because of their alleged cuteness.

[velvet kelp]

yea they can be pretty nuisance lol

[fallow pawn]

a tester answered me on his stream

[toxic tundra]

“there they are, officer. Arrest them!”

[upbeat shore]

For that, when I start my campaign of killing raccoons, I'm going to ping you with a picture of a dead one each time I get 'em.

[toxic tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/jwycat-gif-27153335

[upbeat shore]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pathetic-principal-skinner-gif-13486077408184960752

Two questions:
-Do droppings/dung contribute to composting?
-Is having covered space important for animals?

[sacred frigate]

I am in no way an expert but I wanna say yes and no

the composter looks full when filled with cow shit, but I have yet to figure out how to actually turn it into fertilizer

nd im currently in september, and have animals both inside and outside

so far they seem fine but idk about winter

[upbeat shore]

Which types of animals?

I just have chickens so far, and I assume they'll be fine with the hutch

[sacred frigate]

I currently have cows, pigs, sheep, chickens, and rabbits all outdoor

as well as some cows, sheep, and a deer fawn indoors in my barn

[velvet kelp]

can you tame the deer?

[sacred frigate]

periodically I have moved animals into the barn temporarily to help with breeding

[velvet kelp]

DID YOU tame bamber?!

[sacred frigate]

im in the process of finding out

[velvet kelp]

lol i want a bamber

[sacred frigate]

that being said, it doesnt spook as often when I walk near it now

[velvet kelp]

haha awesome

[sacred frigate]

its still young and labelled as "wild" so maybe things will change when it grows up

but ive been hand feeding it water from time to time figuring thatll help? honestly idk this is all new territory

im surprised I was able to pick up the fawn to begin with. I got incredibly lucky

tbh I hope that taming the deer is a thing, would be cool if it was able to lose the "wild" label one day nd become accustomed to me

would be sweet to try nd start a deer farm for long term use in servers

imo tracking/hunting is tedius, but that being said I was able to track and shoot my first doe today

[sacred frigate]

pic from just after I snatched it in the wild and stashed into my livestock trailer

[velvet kelp]

haha look at that little dumb face

[sacred frigate]

once I log on next ill take a pic in the barn

[fallow pawn]

You can't tame them

[velvet kelp]

ahahha you just stoled it

[fallow pawn]

you just steal them

[sacred frigate]

before when I would walk into the barn, it would start uncontrollably running everywhere. its been about a week in game and now sometimes when I walk in it doesnt just start tryna run away from me, that being said tho animal info says its looking for its mom. animal may remain stressed for a while cuz of that

idk how long it takes in game for them to grow up but im hoping it becomes more docile once fully raised

[elder shadow]

The chicken apocalypse

[sacred frigate]

either way tho, free food in the end

[sacred frigate]

all my chickens died so I had to go steal some from a nearby farm

anybody got tips on tryna breed chickens? I keep tossing my eggs on the ground hoping they will hatch

[elder shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/war-cat-kill-em-all-gif-27308674

[ornate thicket]

Dung turns into compost in 2 weeks

[sacred frigate]

@velvet kelp bambi nd their new home

[fallow pawn]

it will die

baby deer need their mother to be fed

[elder shadow]

F

[sacred frigate]

its been in the barn over a week nd still says well fed

is it confirmed from devs to die? cuz it doesnt seem to be dying in my game

[velvet kelp]

I dont like that way bullwinkle is staring lmao

[sacred frigate]

hes just upset hes in the barn instead of the big pen outside

got too many bulls i gotta keep them separated

[velvet kelp]

Will they fight lol

[sacred frigate]

yeah males of the same species will fight

tbh I could just butcher my extra bulls but im keeping them alive for now

[velvet kelp]

I need to have another cock fight but use a boxing ring

[velvet kelp]

Lol walking meatsticks

[sacred frigate]

easier to keep the meat fresher for longer if its alive yeah

freezer is still full of food plus ive killed 2 deer now and still have a good amount of venison

prolly have to kill the bulls in winter if I live that long. imagine ill run out of meat by then

[velvet kelp]

Does the meats do well keeping your weight up n stuff? I keep getting myself killed to soon to get started in farming animals

[sacred frigate]

honestly I struggle at keeping my weight up. ive been using meat heavy dishes to keep myself from starving and then supplementing weight by eating sticks of butter \

my john zomboid leroy jenkins is depressed af by eating butter by the stick but like, hes not underweight

[elder shadow]

What about try carbs food someday

[sacred frigate]

like bread? I havent done any farming yet tbh

its sept anyway i dont think I have time to farm before winter. if my dude survives the winter the plan is to focus on farming in the new year

goals for the ZA rn are to survive winter with my animals

got a couple cows nd a few pigs pregnant rn so hoping I can expand the animal farms into the new year

[velvet kelp]

lol is that his name haha

the 3rd of februgary

[spiral tinsel]

Just make rabbit stew with venison

I have 3 things of margarine and i haven't needed to use ANY of it.

Because of the calories i'm getting from the rabbit

[sacred frigate]

I could but then id have to kill my rabbits

animals seem to breed so slowly it isnt rlly worth actually killing farm animals

also hey how does fishing work? ive never fished before

i got my rod, im at a lake, using a minow lure

when I cast, do I have to wait for like a prompt to reel in?

[velvet kelp]

i just tried chasing an adult around in this house lol couldnt catch the turd

[velvet kelp]

yah basically

[sacred frigate]

the first thing i caught was an empty tin can

[spiral tinsel]

Go for the ones on the side of the road

[sacred frigate]

tbh i havent seen much for wild rabbits

currently hole'd up in the farm west of muldraugh nd south of mccoy logging

[sacred frigate]

also yea all my characters names are leroy jenkins

[velvet kelp]

LOL

leeeeroyyy jenkinss

amazing

[sacred frigate]

so my first time fishing I did manage to catch 3 fish

all are small, less than 15cm each

do i have to be rlly high level fishing to catch the big ones I hear about on reddit?

[velvet kelp]

im not sure i used bait and different lures and it seemed to work fine , but i have no idea if time or seasons matter

[elder shadow]

[upbeat shore]

Do Sheep need tha too?

[brave badger]

Nobody knows, depends on the amount of crafting left which is a lot, what you have in 42.2.0 is just taste of what's to come

I've seen people talking about plumbing and stating that it's bugged right now cause you can't plumb sinks

it's not bugged, it won't be like B41 plumbing, you will get boilers and pipes and other worstations required to bring back heat water and power to a house, it will be reworked now with all the new mechanics they have going on