Black Screen on Launch

[shy lark]

All i see on launch is a black screen. I do hear the menu music

[ornate spear]

I have the same exact problem

[prime wharf]

seconded. deleting cache (all the user settings) yielded nothing

[shy lark]

i already tried restarting steam, pz, and my computer

also debug mode has nothing to do with it, and alternate launch doesnt fix it

[ornate spear]

I tried validating, deleting all workshop stuff like nothing wokrs

its some sort of bug

I hope they fix it soon

[cinder remnant]

Same problem here

haven't tried unsubbing to all my workshop mods yet but otherwise idk what to do

[hybrid hinge]

I tried to unsub and nothing

[idle trellis]

Same here

[cinder remnant]

well shit

[hybrid hinge]

However at first I didn't hear the music but after unsubbing and launching the b41 I do. Still black screen though

[idle trellis]

I messed with fullscreen/windowed and same result

[cinder remnant]

Yea fullscreen shows, cursor shows, and steam overlay works as normal

[merry condor]

Me too

[cinder remnant]

black screen though

[idle trellis]

I can hear the UI in the background I just cant see anything

[cinder remnant]

idk might have something to do with graphics cards?

[idle trellis]

like when I move my cursor

[hybrid hinge]

Could be? What do you guys have

RX6600

[ornate spear]

i have AMD graphics

[cinder remnant]

same here

AMD card as well

[ornate spear]

I doubt its that

[cinder remnant]

Could well be

M290X in any case

quite old so not helping things there XD

[idle trellis]

Same

[hybrid hinge]

Huh

[merry condor]

Amd here too

[cinder remnant]

If I had to hedge my bets probably something to do with AMD cards

[merry condor]

:(

[idle trellis]

Possible

Ima go back to b41 and see if the settings can be tweaked into the beta

[cinder remnant]

I mean sample size of a couple of people but so far I'm seeing a pattern here

[idle trellis]

Or unstable

[hybrid hinge]

What do you mean?

[cinder remnant]

I might just wait until tomorrow and see if anything changes

[idle trellis]

Like lowering graphics

[hushed zealot]

I have a similar issue and also have an amd card fwiw

[cinder remnant]

Probably easier to go into the settings ini in the zomboid folder

[idle trellis]

Yeah true lol 💀

Just thoughtabout that

[hushed zealot]

the main menu works fine but loading into the game causes issues

[cinder remnant]

Huh

[latent pine]

i got a pretty old amd card

does this have anything to do with it?

[cinder remnant]

Ah yes I forgot logs exist XD

[shy lark]

yeah i also am using an amd card

[latent pine]

i got an rx 570 4gb

so this things drivers are pretty outdated and i got the same identical issue

[ornate spear]

i am updating my drivers

right now

[latent pine]

just on alternate launch it's giving me that warning and i'm wondering if it's got anything to do with that

[ornate spear]

I have 570 4gb too

580*

[cinder remnant]

yea same error in my logs

[hybrid hinge]

same error too

[cinder remnant]

I'll probably leave it for a few days since I feel like there are a shitload of bugs coming out of the woodwork now

[idle trellis]

Yep same

[cinder remnant]

How recent are everyone's cards here?

[latent pine]

rx 570 4gb

driver updates for this thing stopped a while ago if i recall correctly

but the guy with the 6600 should still be getting updates

[cinder remnant]

For me same but yea the guy with the 6600 should be fine

[hybrid hinge]

rx6600, 2021

[cinder remnant]

I feel like it might just be a general problem with AMD cards having issues

[latent pine]

if he ain't it could just be a bug in general

[hybrid hinge]

i did update a few days ago

[latent pine]

fresh install of the game and everything but yeah no same blackscreen with menu music

[cinder remnant]

My setup is particularly scuffed but considering the similar errors I feel like this is a specific AMD problem

[hybrid hinge]

It has to be, good night guys

[cinder remnant]

Good night

Hopefully this will get acknowledged before the devs go off on break XD

[latent pine]

pray to god

[merry condor]

🙏

[latent pine]

i'll see one more hail mary and then i'll head off

[cinder remnant]

Good luck with that

Have a nice evening people

[merry condor]

You too

[latent pine]

nevermind i got a guy with an rx 6600 who's getting the same warning but his game is launching perfectly

[cinder remnant]

So it’s not that

[crimson condor]

leaving a message incase it gets fixed

[cinder remnant]

The hell could it be then?

[idle trellis]

This is confusing bruh

Ive launched it and the last like 3 times I didnt get the message but the screen is still black

Anyway hope a dev sees this or smth

[haughty scroll]

Same issue here, AMD card

[jolly ingot]

also having this issue 🥲

AMD as well

[modest mantle]

are u guys experiencing black screen on menu?

[jolly ingot]

yup

[idle trellis]

Yrd

Yup

[jolly ingot]

i can hear the sound of the menu buttons if i move my mouse, and the music

but black screen

[modest mantle]

same here

[idle trellis]

Yeah same problem

[modest mantle]

ill check if on b41 is normal

[jolly ingot]

ive been able to play b41

[modest mantle]

and its normal?

[idle trellis]

Yes

[jolly ingot]

Seemed to be, yeah

[ornate spear]

FOUND A SOLUTION: Update your drivers for GPU by downloading correct file on AMD site here is the link

https://www.amd.com/en/support/download/drivers.html

Manually search for your card at the bottom

Their auto launcher thing does not work

[prime wharf]

ye, lemme kick amd real quick so they release an update for me legacy card

👍

[ornate spear]

I have 580 and this worked

[prime wharf]

yours legacy too i reckon?

[ornate spear]

What is legacy in gpu terms

i dont understand

Nothing is legacy as long as it is supported

[fiery fog]

it's this a AMD only problem ?

[ornate spear]

Yes

Seems to be

[prime wharf]

to longer maintained card. that no longer recieves driver updates

[ornate spear]

Then you need to go to the store and spend 300$

[prime wharf]

genius

[barren heart]

To check for any settings issues just in case, I would suggest going to “C:\Users\YourUserName\Zomboid” and deleting everything there except the “Saves” folder.

[prime wharf]

already did. nothing.

[barren heart]

Can you share your logs.zip file found in C:\Users\YourUserName\Zomboid?

[cinder remnant]

Gotta hope this is fixable since my GPU definitely doesn’t get new drivers anymore

[prime wharf]

lmao

[cinder remnant]

XDDDDD

Wish I had disposable income lol

[fiery fog]

Thank you very much, it worked to delete the files

[barren heart]

If you have similar issues, I would suggest making your own thread about it

[prime wharf]

im in the middle of creating a topic on the forum. do i need to post it, or should we stick to discord?

[cinder remnant]

Do you need to verify files and all that after that’s done or will the game auto regenerate them?

[barren heart]

You can specifically stick around since you are the only one posting the logs at this moment

[barren heart]

Just starting the game would regenerate them

[cinder remnant]

Cheers

[barren heart]

Can you also share the latest “hs_err_pid” file found in your main game folder “Steam\steamapps\common\ProjectZomboid”?

[prime wharf]

i can do both. just say so

[prime wharf]

it is 22.12.2023 for some reason

[barren heart]

Yeah that does not seem right, is there no more recent log there?

If there is not, can you check the Windows Reliability monitor for any ProjectZomboid application crashes there? If you do find any, can you share a screenshot of the Technical Details section so we can check the errors that show up there?

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3575353/troubleshooting-windows-10-with-reliability-monitor.html
https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/sk-sk/000178177/how-to-use-windows-reliability-monitor-to-identify-software-issues

[prime wharf]

no, sorted by name, nothing newer, unfortunately

[prime wharf]

this might take some time...

[idle trellis]

Trying it now

[prime wharf]

all clear, nothing for 18.12.2024
to clarify, the game doesnt crash, it is missing the UI. i can hear the music, audio feedback when i try to navigate menu blindly, cursor is visible, steam overlay can be opened, but thats it, a black screen.

so im forced to alt+f4 it

[barren heart]

My mistake, I must have assumed a crash.
In that case, I would suggest going to the C:\Users\YourUserName\Zomboid folder and edit the options.ini file with a text editor.
In that file, edit the fullscreen=true line to fullscreen=false
Then try launching the game again.

Just to check if it would be resolution related

[prime wharf]

the result.

also it seems everyone here has radeon gpus

[modest mantle]

same here

[barren heart]

Yes that seems to be the one commonality

We will likely have to look into the issue further to check for any driver limitations

But if you want to try an experimental fix to try and get the game to run

I would suggest installing this:
https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nqpsl29bfff?hl=en-US&gl=US

[modest mantle]

ik since the game is a unstable build that this might occur

[barren heart]

Restart your PC after installing as well

[prime wharf]

will give it a shot right now

[barren heart]

Let me know if it helps run it, since that would give us a clue

[prime wharf]

uh.. is there an offline installer?

[modest mantle]

im trying rn the this one Beard

[barren heart]

Offline in what way?

[prime wharf]

im getting an error from the 1mb .exe "unable to download". id attach a screenshot, but its in cyrillic

[barren heart]

Can you make sure that your Windows Store is up to date?

You will need to go to the Store app and check for updates

[prime wharf]

funny enough whenever i manually find the pack, store crashes.

aight, will do.

[modest mantle]

uhhh, so, no good here too

i might wait until the bugs are fixed

[prime wharf]

so. i never before used MS store.
if i open its settings - it crashes
if i open the compatibility pack page - it crashes.
other pages load fine
there's nothing to search for to update in my ms store library

i wish someone else here was active too

[barren heart]

In theory, there is a third way to basically force opengl compatibility

[prime wharf]

all ears

[barren heart]

https://github.com/pal1000/mesa-dist-win/releases

Download mesa3d-24.3.1-release-msvc.7z

Open the file, then extract the stuff inside the x64 folder to the main game folder

That is all, I do not suggest touching anything else as you could break your drivers

I also suggest either tracking the files, or making sure you clean reinstall the game in the future

[prime wharf]

there's nothing about pz that im bothered to preserve, so i dont mind just nuking it all

[barren heart]

Its more so for the future, in case it fails to work

[prime wharf]

aight.

x64 contents
to
pz root folder

i already can see difference. the loading text

[idle trellis]

It worked

🙂

[prime wharf]

BOOM, WE'RE GOLDEN

[barren heart]

Try loading in first, what the driver basically does is translate opengl to dx

[prime wharf]

holy shit that was an intricate solution

[barren heart]

Which can cause some weirdness, which is why I consider it an experimental fix

[prime wharf]

booting tutorial level

[barren heart]

Nobody should do this basically

If possible, I would suggest making a bug report with your graphics card, so we can look into the driver issues, since if the game works using that workaround it would point to it being a driver problem:
https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/43261-read-here-first-bug-reporting-guideformatting

[prime wharf]

i've hd7950. its drivers are in legacy for at least 4 years now, i might be not the best person for that

[barren heart]

No you would be perfect actually

Those drivers should in theory still run the game just fine

We are not deprecating 4 year old gpus / drivers

The latest ones that are deprecated are 8 year old ones

[prime wharf]

UV map on the char went apeshit

also i notice some occasional window-wide flickering

[barren heart]

Yes that will happen with the experimental fix

[prime wharf]

im glad you think that way. i was able to play cp2077 and bg3 on that card, not without fsr, but still.
it'd be very frustrating to hear that i need a fresh gpu for an indie game with low requirements

[prime wharf]

thought about discarding the post i was writing, do i need to attack dxdiag to it or...?
what kind of logs should i include.

edit: just to be thorough i'll reinstall my gpu drivers via DDU now

[barren heart]

The old console + err pid mainly

[prime wharf]

the 2023 one is still the oldest though

oh shit. what a blind idiot i am

user error, user error, you saw nothing

[prime wharf]

i'll duplicate it on the forum

[prime wharf]

btw

did a clean driver reinstall via DDU - no effect

[barren heart]

Yeah it looks like other AMD cards have similar issues, we will need to look into it, I wont be able to help further probably

Best to check for any future Unstable updates / news

[merry condor]

As long as I don't end up needing to get a new setup

[prime wharf]

aye, figures there wont be an immediate fix.

do i monitor my topic on the forum. or should i expect to see a mention of amd drivers fix in future patchnotes?

[barren heart]

Likely the latter, since we might not be able to respond to every single report

I am grouping them up so we know the priorities + similarities though

[prime wharf]

i wont be needed there with any additional logs or fix solutions then. cool.
thank you a ton for the help

[hybrid hinge]

Thank you. It worked for me

[uneven yacht]

Same problem, and fixed with that. Thanks!

[boreal oyster]

i did get it to work until actually spawning in with that

then the game crashes

[lone mason]

it dont worked for me

[barren heart]

That fix is really experimental, just so you know

If you use it, you will not get support and cannot post any issues with it

Because you are using custom drivers at that point

Its more of a band aid to allow you to play while we fix the actual issue

[lone mason]

okay

so i gonna wait for it

have a good christmas beard

oh my god it worked now

LOL

thanks beard

[uneven yacht]

Understable, thanks so much.

[barren heart]

Since the experimental fix is getting a bit more traction than I expected, there should be a way to improve the weird graphical issues, I will write a guide here since it is slightly complex:

zink. This driver introduced in MinGW package in 21.0.0 and MSVC package in 21.2.0 it's available for both x86 and x64 as part of Mesa3D Desktop OpenGL bundle opengl32.dll or libgallium_wgl.dll if the latter is available. Similarly to GLonD3D12, it operates as wrapper returning Vulkan API calls. Due to this nature it uses GPU acceleration by default but it supports software rendering too. Select it via GALLIUM_DRIVER=zink environment variable, but note that it requires at least 1 Vulkan device and Vulkan loader/runtime to initialize. zink ignored Vulkan CPU type devices by default until 22.1.0. Nowdays it uses a priority system that automatically selects a Vulkan CPU type device if no higher priority Vulkan type device exists. You can test zink with Vulkan CPU type devices only by setting LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 (Mesa 22.1.0 and newer) or ZINK_USE_LAVAPIPE=true (deprecated in Mesa 22.1.0).

The zink driver can improve the issues, you will have to enable it by adding the GALLIUM_DRIVER=zink in your Environment Variables

You can access them by going to your System Properties, also called 'Advanced system settings'

System Variables > New Variable

Press OK > Apply > Start game

[barren heart]

As mentioned again, this is not an official fix, this is only something I found to force the game to run on the AMD cards that have issues at this moment, we will be working on finding a fix to make the game run without doing all of this extra nonsense. I have to make that extra clear

[dim violet]

The problem is not only with amd cards, but also with nvidia/intel. It my log.

[barren heart]

Your log shows that you use an unsupported Intel card

Do you have the Nvidia card connected to this PC?

It is also very much unrelated to the issue in this thread

[dim violet]

I have a laptop with an integrated intel graphics card and a discrete nvidia 920m, I was also confused that the 920m graphics card does not appear anywhere in the logs, but only intel. I will check if it is used when working with other graphics programs, any other games, as well as in build 41. Everything worked fine in build 41 (i.e. even if we assume that it didn't work, then everything worked on the construction site, it turns out that it was supported by older versions of the game?).

[acoustic saddle]

didn't work for me

[barren heart]

Did you install the Nvidia driver in your Linux distro? Since that card needs a specific legacy driver to be installed

The x390 one if I remember correctly

[dim violet]

Yes, the nvidia proprietary driver for my graphics card has been compiled, assembled, and installed on my system.

[barren heart]

Which one? Just to confirm it is the correct one

Because new cards require the latest 500+ driver

While your specific one requires the legacy one, they are basically two different packages

You could likely run the game if we manage to make it use the Nvidia card

[uneven yacht]

Game wont load with that, at least on my PC, so I disabled it back.

[dim violet]

Nvidia driver version 470.256.02 is installed on my system. Build41 starts and works correctly for me, unstable 42 also starts and works, but like many, I just have a black screen, the game does not seem to draw the contents of its window, but at the same time plays music.

[barren heart]

You can share B41 logs in that case if you want to check if the card is used there

[empty gale]

Zomboid is freezing after few seconds on the main menu, btw any "hs_err_pid" file are being created

It's not a black screen, i can see the main menu, but freezes

[barren heart]

If your issue is unrelated to the OP, then you make your own thread

[dim violet]

Unfortunately, B41 does not create a log with the same content as unstable creates it. I.e., there is no information in the B41 logs, not only about the video card, but even about the processor, about the OS, and so on, there is generally some nonsense. Here is an example of what kind of log B41 creates.

[barren heart]

You may need to clear the Zomboid folder after switching between versions

Since log creation is not compatible between versions without doing that

[crimson flax]

please someone can tell where i download the executable? i am lost in this site rsrsrsrs

[barren heart]

You might not want to download it if you have issues finding it, since as said it is fairly advanced "hack" more or less

But you can try simply scrolling down

[prime wharf]

beard warned you though

[crimson flax]

i donwloaded the first option and i will see if its ok, i can play the game but with 8 12 fps with radeon rx570 :S, the game is eating all my 16gb ram and all my 4 gb gpu ram 😦

[crimson flax]

i think wait the sup fix is the best

[barren heart]

Could you share a screenshot of your task manager when that happens? Specifically the Performance section

Would be very helpful since I am gathering data of the severity and when the issue happens

[crimson flax]

yes .. here?

before open the game:

now i will open the game

int the menu screen:

playing:

now with zoom out:

[prime wharf]

do you have by any chance an idea why would the window close automatically whenever i attempt to open sys properties?
tried executing via cmd Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth and sfc /scannow - didnt help.

[barren heart]

Perfect, appreciate it

[barren heart]

Which window exactly?

The variables?

[prime wharf]

sys properties winsow. or even from here

[sly cairn]

Good afternoon, I wanted to know if someone could help me with the problem I have.
It happens that when I enter the pz I get stuck on a black screen and it doesn't load, but when I move the cursor I can click on the buttons.

[barren heart]

What is your graphics card?

[barren heart]

What happens when you go to your search > advanced system settings

[sly cairn]

i play on laptop

[prime wharf]

opens up alright. thx.
if nothing goes wrong again, going to try that fix you pinned

[minor surge]

is normal when I load the solution, all textures start to bug?

[barren heart]

What is your graphics card

[barren heart]

Yes it is very normal

Because it is not really a solution

think of it more as placing a bandaid on an amputated leg

[minor surge]

got it

there's nothing we can do for now I guess

[sly cairn]

AMD A8-7410 APU with AMD Radeon R5 Graphics

[south hornet]

So you just extract everything from that zip file into "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\ProjectZomboid"?

[barren heart]

This is currently a known problem with some older dedicated and newer integrated AMD cards, such as yours, we are aware of the issue and are working on a fix.

[barren heart]

No, re-read what I said, and read it carefully or you can basically break your drivers

[sly cairn]

so can't play for now? Right?

[barren heart]

Correct, the issue will need to be fixed on our side

[south hornet]

Right I won't mess with it then just incase i miss understand I was just wondering if it'd even work for me at all because I have an R9 380

[sly cairn]

thxs for all

[prime wharf]

so. when i do that, the game just doesnt boot up.
i hit play on steam lib page, it thinks for a short period then the button turns "play" again.
win reliability monitor shows no events around that time.
if i delete that sys variable, pz starts up with mesa files as usual

[south hornet]

Only thing I found weird is when I first started the game I got the first problem being main menu would load but no text

Then after trying again it went to the black screen and is always that now

[barren heart]

It might work on some GPUs and not on others, since it basically switches from DirectX translation to Vulkan

And not all graphics cards have the best Vulkan support, so it is a lottery at that point

But Vulkan would fix the graphics issues

[prime wharf]

well, i recall having some games with most recent vulkan version having issues, a bit older games worked fine though, even better compared to dx11. screen capture though was a pita

[ornate kite]

So basically, there's no solution until the devs fix it?

[frigid thunder]

From what I've read so far it seems the all the amd GPUs using legacy drivers are affected right? So basically the entirety of the HD series, older RX GPUs (2xx to 5xx)

[ornate kite]

i need a clarification. This problem happens only to people that has an AMD? or anyone that has an Intel too?

[frigid thunder]

The RX 480 and the RX 580 shouldn't be affected by this though

[frigid thunder]

It seems to be affecting people with cards that can't render "newer" versions of OpenGL

[ornate kite]

Dang it, and how i can solve it? I suppose we need to wait for a fix, if there's any, right?

[frigid thunder]

Newer being tricky because the odds of a 2016+ card having the same capabilities of a 2011 HD 6520g are low

[ornate kite]

i have a CPU that is kinda old, almost 10 years, so yeah, i guess it won't work at all

not even with 16 GB of ram

[jolly ingot]

I also have an R9 380, didnt work for me

[frigid thunder]

If your card is new enough to support Vulkan and you're just being fucked by obsolete drivers (for a GPU that no longer received updates) do the fix from here #1318697278747185284 message

[south hornet]

I never had issues doin Vulkan before but idk

[frigid thunder]

It's complicated, there's 2011 GPUs that have support for Vulkan, and wouldn't be able to run anything on Vulkan beyond 3 fps if you get what I mean 😂

We probably won't get a decent solution until the devs give us an option to fallback to the previous renderer

[south hornet]

Makes sense but would the R9 380 have an issue with Vulkan?

[prime wharf]

i've hd7950, and it was able to run doom eternal at 55-60fps, as well as bg3 (latter patches, first couple of versions wouldnt boot up and spit out an error)

[frigid thunder]

Yeeah, but the issues is not the hardware capabilities of the GPU in this case

I've had a similar issue before on renpy games, and changing the renderer solved the issue, the options is called literally "Force ANGLE renderer"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANGLE_(software) when you check what it does it's pretty much the fix from beard

[frigid thunder]

I can't tell, but if the fix didn't work, maybe using dXVK could help

[south hornet]

How to do that?

[frigid thunder]

Don't know if it'll work with zomboid on windows like this, but procedure in theory should be the same as the previous fix https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk/releases

[prime wharf]

dxvk-2.5.1.tar.gz does nothing for me
the second one doesnt even look like it is applicable for win os

[frigid thunder]

Do not use all the DLL's btw

There's also another thing called voodoo which is meant for even older GPUs

[south hornet]

Which dlls should I use?

[frigid thunder]

Try with d3d9 first, if that doesn't work to for d3d11 together with dxgi

[south hornet]

and you said it should be the same just drop into the Win64 folder?

[frigid thunder]

The DLLs from win64 folder into the root of zomboid

[south hornet]

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\ProjectZomboid\win64 so here right lol?

[frigid thunder]

No, into the root

[mighty mountain]

What does tracking the files mean?

[frigid thunder]

Where the game executable is

[south hornet]

Uhm game just sits in the background with d3d11 and dxgi

[frigid thunder]

Black screen? Right

[south hornet]

Nah just sitting the background

Not open

[boreal oyster]

it's shy

insert a treat in your disk or usb drives

[frigid thunder]

Give it a min, and if it doesn't start eating more ram just close it

[fallen tendon]

wait i dont get it do i just put all the files in to the root folder of zomboid?

[south hornet]

Yeah nah not doing anything

[fallen tendon]

im gonna try as well

[frigid thunder]

My man you downloaded the source, not the compiled files

[frigid thunder]

Weird thing, it does open for me, but I still get the black screen, granted the other fix didn't work either on this laptop due it running a prehistoric GPU, but I had hopes it'd work for your r9 380, let's try something else

[south hornet]

yeah just tried the others just to see but nothing on any of them

I would have thought the R9 380 would have been fine theres only been a few games I haven't been able to play that i can even think of lol

[frigid thunder]

Im reading this currently https://dege.freeweb.hu/dgVoodoo2/ReadmeGeneral/

But i feel that if this even worked to begin with for this particular case, it'd do more harm than good lol

[south hornet]

Idk what I should even specifically read in all of this lol

[modest mantle]

Hey @barren heart sorry about the ping, but can u tell me whats the main game folder? is it on C: ?

[prime wharf]

bruv

[modest mantle]

uhh i maybe have some serious mental disorder

[frigid thunder]

Forget it, this thing in particular is cursed

[south hornet]

Fair enough lol

[frigid thunder]

I wonder if these issues can be avoided altogether in linux

[prime wharf]

a shame mesa causes so much flickering, i wont mind to play with messed up uv maps, but i do mind earning a seizure

[frigid thunder]

Did you try out the zink thing beard mentioned?

[prime wharf]

#1318697278747185284 message

[frigid thunder]

F

Well, completely unrelated, but a phone with mobox could theorically run project zomboid better than our computers as things are right now 😂

[south hornet]

Insane

[barren heart]

Yes actually that seems to be the case

[prime wharf]

i thought about dual booting linux to try if anything improves, but im not that desperate, even though i plan to move to linux alltogether eventually

[sonic fulcrum]

windows defender blocks this as a trojan

[prime wharf]

shit, now that beard said, i wonder. will live usb environment be enough for a test

[frigid thunder]

I have an HDD laying around somewhere with arch, i could swap to linux to test

[frigid thunder]

Try something like CachyOS

[prime wharf]

all my drives are occupied with various stuff

[prime wharf]

nah, i've mint iso

[barren heart]

It would be a false positive

[frigid thunder]

Was saying because you probably wouldn't have to install much stuff on cachy to run games, but that works too

[sonic fulcrum]

still wont let any browser download it

[south hornet]

You gotta click the windows defender notification and allow it

[prime wharf]

iirc PZ runs as native on linux. even then, i dont need a lot of stuff. proton/bottles

[barren heart]

You are on AMD, you have drivers already installed by default on basically all distros

Nvidia would be a bit trickier

Meaning it should run off the USB

Asasuming there are no space issues

[south hornet]

My main question is are we gunna be able to play PZ eventually without having to do anything like these things, is it to early to tell, or is it just going to be a hardware problem that the players just gotta upgrade for?

[prime wharf]

ima flash 16gig drive, then let yall know how it turned out. would be hilarious if the new bandaid for that issue is for everyone to dualboot linux.
shit, i'd move to linux long ago if not for some software and gdpi stuff

[frigid thunder]

Fair enough, I wanted to use linux as daily driver too, but while everything runs better there, when it comes to games with a GPU as old as the one in this laptop, if the game doesn't run better than on windows, it runs horribly worse due to lack of vulkan support from this GPU

[frigid thunder]

I think it was somewhere mentioned that there was going to be an option to fallback to the previous renderer, or something related to make older hardware run with it, but don't quote me on this

[barren heart]

Yes

Unless you think we are just gonna let anyone with a 4+ year old GPU out to dry

Some of these are 2+ actually

[prime wharf]

mine's like 11 years old

[grim torrent]

same

[barren heart]

It looks like the issues are all related regardless of the GPU age, since the issue is the same on a 2021 card and a 2012 one

It is always AMD

[prime wharf]

and 4 years in legacy

[frigid thunder]

Change PZ minimum requirements in steam page to this when?

[barren heart]

Never gonna give AMD up

[south hornet]

That is fair was just wondering on the situation more

[frigid thunder]

13 years old gpu 😂

[barren heart]

The requirements on the page are actually "recommended" ones

[prime wharf]

man im glad i chose 7950 over 770 back in the time

[boreal oyster]

i think i have that one or a similar one

[modest mantle]

i used the method u gave us Beard, and rn it worked

have a R5 Graphic card

[grim torrent]

gg

[frosty dust]

I got lag too, i cannot zoom that much or my fps go from 60 to 2

amd rx550

[cinder remnant]

Good to hear that XD

[frosty dust]

oh i see tis a common problem with amd

sorry lmao

[cinder remnant]

At least you can get past the main menu XD

At least this issue is known in any case

[frosty dust]

Yeah, at first teh words didnt appear but i had to verify files and got it working

[cinder remnant]

Huh

You know I haven't actually tried doing that yet XD

But I'll wait for the first patches before I do anything drastic

[prime wharf]

Ok, I'm back. Live usb environment mint22. It is working perfectly. No artifscts, no nothing. Csnt jugde performance coz well, the entire system runs from an old 2.0 usb drive

Would post a pic but discord wont work from linux without block circumventions and setting those up on linux is atm overwhelming for me.

I didn't even have to install a new os. This is legit funny

It does look to be smoother compared to win10 with mesa patch

[latent blaze]

I installed the microsoft compatability pack + mesa3d as Beard said, and finally got into the main menu and even entered a game. Everything seems to technically work but the graphics are totally messed up. So I'm just gonna wait for an official patch, although I am hopeful to see the game is potentially functional. I have AMD r9 290x graphics card.

[prime wharf]

it is the same what i had with just mesa patch.
play a bit longer and you'll have 2d sprites flickering all over your screen and chunks 4x4 tiles blacking out.
outta curiousity, what your fps was? i had like 45-50 on win10 with HD7950. on linux i ended up with 200+. some occasional drops to 60ish were present though

[latent blaze]

Yep, I got those artifacts and flashes too pretty fast, but my FPS was higher than on B41.

[prime wharf]

if youre feeling like making an extra effort and is familiar with it - it works flawlessly on linux

[latent blaze]

good to know... that's very interesting

[crimson flax]

Beard, do you know if there would be any possible prediction of when this could be fixed

[ruby crystal]

hello fellow amd users

there an experiemental fix going on?

[prime wharf]

as of now you have 3 options:

1. wait for an official patch
2. download and copypaste this #1318697278747185284 message if you seek an epileptic trip
3. play on linux. personally tested on live usb mint 22 - runs perfectly

[ruby crystal]

bro it worked when i downloaded the thing

this is epic

[prime wharf]

mesa will launch pz, but once you load into the world, you'll see its far from playable

[dim violet]

It helped. This is what the B41 log creates. Nvidia is not visible in the logs. I do not know why the B41 and B42 do not use nvidia. And I also don't know why in these circumstances B41 works with intel and B42 doesn't.

[dusk dagger]

yea just loaded it up and got flashed like crazy lol

[crimson condor]

not worth doing the "fix". yeah it makes the game run but there are insane and unplayable visual glitches in the world

just wait for the regular fix patch that will hopefully drop tomorrow 🙏

[grim torrent]

I cant play with no visual bugs

Ill catch the screenshots

[grim torrent]

fr

[dusk dagger]

installed linux on usb im that desperate 🙏

[ruby crystal]

least we can experience some of the b42 features

[rare egret]

My pc stopped the download saying there was a virus in it?

[prime wharf]

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/27ff02963a02ea1a82de33dd25b4e0a8814120bada68d4db284a23bf9cb92a6e
see for yourself
beard said its a falst positive

[rare egret]

Ah thanks!

[prime wharf]

but in the end, this is what you'll end up with
#1318697278747185284 message
#1318697278747185284 message

[rare egret]

I'll just wait for a patch then

[prime wharf]

or install linux somewhere if you cant wait. just like he did

[dim violet]

In my system, the intel graphics card was an OpenGL processor. All OpenGL programs did not use nvidia. Nvidia was used only by vulkan programs. I managed to fix it, now B41 and B42 write in the logs that my video card is nvidia. However, this did not solve the black screen problem. The game does not draw anything in the window, only plays music and draws the cursor.

[charred oak]

I literally nuked my arch installation yesterday for space lmfao

[wraith sluice]

am i doing something wrong?

i loaded the game its still black screen

what am i gonna extract in the x64?

its a document?

[barren heart]

I think you might be more familiar with your own PC than I would since I am not too well versed in the graphics weirdness of Linux. This is a PC though right? Is your monintor connected to the main Nvidia display port?

[wraith sluice]

wait no i downloaded the wrong file sorry

[barren heart]

I cannot really provide further support for this "fix" than what I already wrote, you can read through the github information yourself on how it works, I would only recommend more advanced PC users to try it

[wraith sluice]

im now downloading the release one

does it have virus Beard?

just to be sure?

[barren heart]

No

[wraith sluice]

wait

look

[wraith sluice]

i think it has a virus

[barren heart]

It is a false positive

[barren heart]

As seen here

[wraith sluice]

ohhhhh

[boreal oyster]

it's not marked as official or anything, a lot of programs would be considered viruses if they weren't

[wraith sluice]

so basically my pc is seeing the file as a virus?

ohhh ok

beard

[wraith sluice]

beard

where do i put the fils?

files

in the main file of PZ?

[boreal oyster]

yes

[wraith sluice]

thanks

IT WORKED
THANKS

[ruby crystal]

just a reminder

there will be a bunch of graphical errors

[ashen haven]

Let me just summarise the solution

1. download the mesa3d-24.3.1-debug-info-msvc
2. Extract it
3. Copy the contents of x64
4. Paste it on the main game folder
5. We good?

Pls correct me if I'm wrong

[ruby crystal]

download the mesa3d-24.3.1-release-msvc.7z

also for some reason when i tested the game again it seems to work perfectly fine with no graphical errors

[ashen haven]

That's weird I've done this so many times still no joy

[ruby crystal]

i got it to work but now the fps is so bad

[dim violet]

I solved the problem with the fact that the game does not use nvidia. Now both versions use it, but nothing has changed, the B41 works with both video cards, and unstable does not work with either of them. I think it's not about the drivers at all, not about the hardware, not about anything else, but about the builds of the game themselves, which players download from steam. It only makes sense to notify the authors about this problem and wait for the authors to find and update the builds. Thank you.

[acoustic saddle]

please provide me a working method that works for AMD cards, otherwise I am confused here and don't understand what is true and what is false.

[barren heart]

Wait for a hotfix