Build 42 Unstable Out Now

[frozen wyvern]

I mean, there are so many things you can smelt down i dont think youll run out anytime soon

[red hazel]

Killed some bandits and then got jumped by normal people. Cops came after me. Feels like Im the only bad guy there lmao

[gleaming perch]

Truth but isn't there meant to be a way where (in the wilderness) you are able to smelt and live a life without having to touch a town/house?

Or is that stuff coming out when stable comes around..

[frozen wyvern]

Thats not in quite yet, itll be added down the line for 42 unstable

[cunning turtle]

Gta san andreas pov

[gleaming perch]

You are right

[dusty zephyr]

you know multi will be on in like 3 to 6 month lmao ?

[lucid ginkgo]

Little do they know, 100 of us Kentuckians die to iron-outcropping-related accidents each year 😔

[gleaming perch]

Truth Nuke

[glad canyon]

Well... I didn't know . I just thought it will be the same path like b41. 👍 Thanks.... Now I have no more excuses to skip studying 🙂

[lost merlin]

Hey does anyone know if there's like some meds I could take to stop food poisoning possibly? I accidentally started eating some raw meat and I didn't mean to, not sure if I was able to but wanted to know if there's some kind of remedy?

[lucid ginkgo]

You could probably go into debug and activate the god mode cheat which I believe cures you of anything negative

[pallid hinge]

Or if you have lemon grass you can use that.

[velvet egret]

[keen gorge]

You can survive some food poisoning now

[cunning turtle]

[keen gorge]

I don't know the exact numbers but you can eat some burnt food before poisoning sets in so i'm assuming you can eat rotten food so long as its on tiny amounts

[cunning turtle]

Do your character still alive

[lost merlin]

It got nausia so I killed her to start over.

Thanks peeps for the help. I'll try lemon grass next time.

[cunning turtle]

Sadness

[lost merlin]

[glacial cape]

Most be some really deadly burnt food to kill you

There should be some meds or herbal remedy to remove it though hopefully when the updated medical system comes about we'll see what TIS plans to do with that unless that is possibly a b43 feature

[glacial cape]

Anyone else noticing that turning to sharply or going over bodies causes cars to flip easily in b42?

Even going over bodies slowly I feel like my car is flipping easier

[keen gorge]

Been a thing since B41 though B42 seems to have worsened it somewhat

[lyric plaza]

Has a generator rework been promised for build 42? I want to make a mod related to the new generator types so I need to know if I should wait

[cunning turtle]

Don't wait, the moment is now

[royal heron]

Pz is a game where I play for a week and then go “I’m bored” then play another game and return a week later like “MAN I MISSED THIS. I FORGOT YOU COULD DO X”

[glacial cape]

Think there's already some slight differences in the new generators some drain condition/fuel quicker than others

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1hn2ykw/is_there_a_difference_in_generator_types/

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[silk nova]

Ehy did anyone got a problem with maintenance not going over the 3rd level?

[desert sphinx]

You can mash E while swinging your weapon for increased swing speed, i'm just going to assume that's a bug

[keen gorge]

Ah swing speed bugs

Attack push delay still works too

[glacial cape]

Spacebar works as well

[desert sphinx]

Maybe you can stack it

xD

[keen gorge]

Webbing's bugged as well

Devs missed a 0 on the attack speed penalty

Instead of it being 0.98 in the code, its 98

Maximum attack speed

[desert sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/rapid-punch-twinzero-northstar-anime-gif-19957738

[glacial cape]

That's why I thought my swings were quicker at level 5 short blunt

[cunning turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/project-zomboid-project-z-zomboid-zomb-dance-zomboid-gif-24670810

[royal heron]

https://tenor.com/view/the-orville-project-zomboid-project-zomboid-cigarettes-gif-13058619799702940334

[glacial cape]

https://tenor.com/view/project-zomboid-carpentry-lv-0-project-zomboid-carpentry-lv-0-project-zomboid-carpentry-gif-10928555988991086967

[lethal wolf]

Do not disassemble wooden floors on an island. This bug can pretty much ruin and kill my run because I have to get everything right on the first try, and removing wooden floors results in a void...

[cunning turtle]

[lethal wolf]

Can at least somewhat mend the visual side by emptying dirt from a sack to the spot after I re-build the wooden floor xD

[desert sphinx]

Why does Sewer cost 4 points btw

That seems kinda silly

[forest shore]

Sewing is incredibly useful though.

[desert sphinx]

Kind of a shit trait if it costs 4 tbh

Don't think i have room for it on any of my builds

For 2 you can get cats eyes and dextrous lol

[cunning turtle]

Cat eyes is very important ngl

[desert sphinx]

Well we also just don't get as many points anymore in general

So what perks are you going to say no to

Your strength and fitness perks?

Having +1 in a non combat skill at the start is more of a luxury

[forest shore]

The only change really is that you can't do min-max builds as easily.

[desert sphinx]

Yes you can

There will always be a meta no matter how many times you change it

[cunning turtle]

Wargoat have a point

[desert sphinx]

I'm minmaxing in build 42

If there's any degree of choice there will be minmaxing

[sturdy sequoia]

late reply here but they did go into their plans for the depth of random NPCs in a previous blog, before they were pretty much only talking about plans for b42. stuff about tracking the movement of NPCs as just dots on the map and then manifesting into a physical NPC with a generated story based on what they've done and been through, like what did during the outbreak, if they have family or what happened to them, what their goal is. the kinda stuff you can chat with them about over a campfire

I don't remember which blog it was, I'll try to find it when I have some time. but idk that sounded like a really solid amount of depth if they're going so far as to have individually generated stories for every NPCs with potentially real ties to other real things and NPCs based on the story

it was one of the most exciting blogs for me personally bc I love that narrative stuff lol

[dusty zephyr]

i think they doing a strike

[cunning turtle]

That sounds so interesting

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[dusty zephyr]

Event of a school shoothing lmao there was a dude killing peoples and stole pantie

[desert sphinx]

Looks like a gas discount

[glacial cape]

Minmaxing is arguably more important now with expanded recipes & new skills to learn

atm though half of them don't even feel worth it to level past a certain point

like carving for example do you really need anymore carving besides level 3?

[desert sphinx]

Idk why anyone would choose a +1 in a non combat skill over permanent passives or strength/fitness

[dusty zephyr]

they say they didnt release the full crafting recipes

[glacial cape]

ik I get that its unstable beta and their not finished yet but in their present state

[desert sphinx]

4 points for a non combat +1 is crazy tbh

[dusty zephyr]

but yeah i feel the same some stuff are missing and you can see it but pretty sure we will se a patch this week of fix like all the propane,c02,ect getting drain

[glacial cape]

so its less of a pain to level? If you're interested in going a crafting route but yeah strength/fitness are definitely a priority over them but maybe in the future when there's more to do with the crafting skills that might change

[glacial cape]

the propane/battery bug, & needing a magazine to forge a small blade to get started in blacksmithing is criminal though ngl lol

[desert sphinx]

Weren't they going to put affinities into the game or something, that help you level up faster

[glacial cape]

yes it was talked about on their blog but I might be wrong about this but Idk if every feature mentioned on a blog comes into the final release as this is the second unstable build I've played by time I was playing build 41 unstable it was for the multiplayer so most features had already been fleshed out

[dusty zephyr]

im still looking for the gen mag in my world lmao lucky i got a fire pit in my house

need to go fast since loot start to despawn more the days going

[glacial cape]

Honestly I just gave up looking for one when I needed it and went for electrical 3 instead, I have not found a single sledgehammer thou either

[glacial cape]

Part of the reason why I'm struggling to find a single magazine or a generator is because of the loot decay I am 4 months in lol

[dusty zephyr]

yeah same for me be 1month now and start to feel it x)(

[desert sphinx]

Idk man, you can have various permanent passives instead that will help you for the rest of the game, i don't think i can imagine a single scenario why starting with 1 extra level in tailoring is more valuable than transfering items faster or seeing better at night forever

[dusty zephyr]

i think to add bandit to spice thing up

[dusty zephyr]

since you talk about tailoring do you know how to lvl it up now lmao ?

[desert sphinx]

Ye

Get book read book and put rags on a burlap longjohns

There are some tailoring stores now where you can find a bunch of threads

[dusty zephyr]

thanks i try the old faction dont work anymore siccor and rag

[glacial cape]

Maybe not in sp but in mp having a tailorer in your group now is more invaluable than before especially when comboed with welding skill & a blacksmith they can make you all sorts of armor to protect the upper body as well as patch clothes, make new clothes or winter gear and even backpacks

[dusty zephyr]

in pvp server its legit a must

[desert sphinx]

You can be a tailorer without picking a trait that gives you 1 level for 4 points 😛

[glacial cape]

I was thinking more pve but good point

[glacial cape]

I do see that, maybe a tailoring or armorer profession which starts with some levels in tailoring & welding would be ideal

[desert sphinx]

I'd consider it if sewer gives you an extra

Like maybe you can repair clothes from the start or your patches are slightly better idk

A +1 and a little bit more xp isn't really enough i think

[glacial cape]

+3 tailoring and +1 welding as an armorer profession maybe, also hear me out but I think both the blacksmith & welder profession should have some boosts in metalworking and welding exclusively idk why their professions have to be mutually tied to one skill they should be able to work with metal or weld but at separate skill levels compared to their main thing because at the end of the day it does sort of link to each other the working sith metals part at least just differently

[dusty zephyr]

give you bullet rest i dont know if its the same in b42

for me i start animal care job just to test it and be a farmer lmao

[glacial cape]

Yeah no idea if the new armor does give you bullet res

[glacial cape]

That's another point the carpenter profession starts with +3 carpentry and +1 carving which makes sense as well as the animal carer which is I think +3 animal care and +2 butchering and +1 agriculture

So it confuses me why a welder can't have some metalworking knowledge/skill or a blacksmith can't have some welding knowledge/skill

[dusty zephyr]

yes i guest its a must job in a groupe if you do a server where loot dont respawn and you need to take care of animal

[glacial cape]

Yeah it's probably to encourage group play maybe this'll change with the affinity system

[sturdy sequoia]

it's funny, while looking for that blog about the npcs I came across that blog that mentions affinities and immediately came here to share it since I forgot it had ever been mentioned

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/02/holy-cow/

[dusty zephyr]

the funny part its the mode 1 week before use the npc stuff that are in the file so that mean npc are closer that we think

and its crazy that blog its from 2022 we waited so long lmoa

[sturdy sequoia]

is patching clothes something that's currently viable? I always thought once your clothing gets a hole in it, it's useless bc that spot won't be protected if you get hit there again

[dusty zephyr]

yes 100%

[glacial cape]

Yes for the drip

[dusty zephyr]

when you fix hole that give you back the rest

[sturdy sequoia]

oh that's sick

[glacial cape]

You need an insane level of tailoring though which I hope gets changed

[sturdy sequoia]

I gotta patch the hole in the hoodie I've been wearing then, I've just kept it bc I liked the color it was

[glacial cape]

I think it's at level 7 or 8 tailoring

[dusty zephyr]

need to be lvl 8 to fix cloth

[sturdy sequoia]

oh damb

[glacial cape]

Yeah... tailoring might be easier to level now though it's just a matter of skill books I would say

[visual sand]

In this world it's drip or drown

[sturdy sequoia]

fucking preach

[dusty zephyr]

best way to lvl it up was to take the 1 piece cloth that have like 12 sloths and patch and unpatch

[glacial cape]

Is there no other methods in b42? With the new tailoring stuff

[sturdy sequoia]

if I'm not playing dressup simsboid style then I'm dead

[dusty zephyr]

maybe i didnt try yet

[glacial cape]

Like maybe crafting tailored clothes or spinning wool into thread is good xp?

[dusty zephyr]

im still trying to find out where to hook the dead animal to take better meat

[desert sphinx]

Also is it a bug that outdoorsman no longer prevents trees from tearing up your clothes or did it get changed?

[glacial cape]

Real plus mobility > protection although I might change my mind with the armor to protect my upper limbs whilst fighting hordes but after I'm done it's back to drip for base tasks

[dusty zephyr]

he change if found out to and you less resit to temp tp

[sturdy sequoia]

yeah I'm planning the same thing, just armor up my arms and maybe neck for stressful situations up against a lot of zombies and otherwise I'm all about mobility and comfort, dressing for the weather, slaying, etc

[desert sphinx]

I was just going to use poncho's if it doesn't protect your clothes from trees

[gleaming perch]

Can you boil water with an antique stove

[desert sphinx]

Kinda funny that poncho's fit in the fanny pack

[desert sphinx]

Yeah

[glacial cape]

Oh really? Guess it's going in there with my respirator

[desert sphinx]

Grab a cooking pot with water and put that bad boy in the stove

[desert sphinx]

And you can craft them with garbage bags now

[glacial cape]

Garbage bag drip is real

[desert sphinx]

So it's a very early game solution to rain if you don't want to run outdoorsman

[glacial cape]

Now we can truly be the trash bandits

[gleaming perch]

I think antique stoves are bugged, won't boil water

im gonna report this

[desert sphinx]

Oh? Hmm, i know i've boiled water in them in build 41

I guess you could always make a campfire or something

I think they removed plumbing in build 42 for the time being though

[lethal wolf]

I am very strong with 4 strenght

[mossy tangle]

Is there a flashlight I can put on my belt

[elder flax]

Bro's knees bout to snap

[mossy tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/carrying-bags-oops-too-heavy-fail-aw-man-gif-15240933

[sturdy sequoia]

Atlas type beat

[dusty zephyr]

i found last night a green metal jerry in farmer building can carry double

anyone know a good cheat/admin tools for b42 like teleport ect

[glacial cape]

Debug mode?

[dusty zephyr]

yes how to use it ?

[silk nova]

Here u have one!! XD XD i never used cat's eyes and i prefer tailoring cause i can reinforce clothes, never gone out in the night, and probably i will never go

[glacial cape]

Steam > Project Zomboid > Properties > Under the general tab type -debug

[dusty zephyr]

Thanks

[glacial cape]

np

could you test if there's other methods of getting tailoring xp other than adding sheets/removing sheets & ripping thread from clothing

[cunning turtle]

Dana what's your favorite build

[sturdy sequoia]

like in the current build or?

[cunning turtle]

yeah in the current

[sturdy sequoia]

I've been using the usual weak stomach, prone to illness, slow healer, thin-skinned combo since they're basically free. I always use smoker and I still do bc I'm still working out whether it's worth it in 42, haven't decided for sure yet. I also take high thirst bc although it's only one point, it's really not that fast of a dehydration rate anyway and I can just carry a second water bottle. I think I've started taking conspicuous too since I heard in that Retanaru video that it's pretty much free points now, and I'm taking fast metabolism bc I always took underweight before

it's harder for me to remember my positive traits bc those change more regularly but I know I've been using cat's eyes, dexterous, wilderness knowledge, wakeful, speed demon, organized, baseball player, maybe stout? there's probably others I just don't remember rn

oh and I've been using lumberjack to try out axes more

[cunning turtle]

thats nice, i used to use the strait smoker too, do u know if tin this build can the character get lung cancer because of smoke? lmao

[sturdy sequoia]

I highly doubt it lol

you mean bc of prone to illness and whatnot? I've never noticed any interaction between the two of them

even if you did get lung cancer you'd probably die to something else before it affects you

[cunning turtle]

Makes sense, I asked that because I've seen people saying that, but idk if it is true lol

[sturdy sequoia]

yeah if that's a real thing I've never seen it

[glacial cape]

This part of this video is the funniest shit I've seen today its what I am going to do if I get bit
https://youtu.be/BUAoiq7-MXo?t=31

[cunning turtle]

Have you tried the famous mod, one week later, or something like that with npcs

[sturdy sequoia]

week one? I have not, it looks fun though

[obsidian fiber]

Its alright but needs work

[cunning turtle]

Lmao, which one are u

[cunning turtle]

Yeah fr

[glacial cape]

Not on here but I am the start a new save guy

I don't see a need to continue a new character unless its mp but I rarely touch mp, when I do get bit in MP I just continue on with what I was last doing making the most of my skills before death

[hallow adder]

I wished we can pick up foldable chairs and use them WWF style against zombies.

https://tenor.com/view/wrestlers-chair-gif-5011392

[cunning turtle]

I'm making my build, if it's true that the character doesn't get lung cancer for smoke too much lmao, I think I'll pick that trait fr

[cunning turtle]

Yeah same

[cunning turtle]

WWE type shi

[sturdy sequoia]

which one?

[hallow adder]

When furnitures become weapons..... Build 42. The answer to all.

[glacial cape]

We can already use a table leg I guess 🙃

[cunning turtle]

The trait smoker, but I have to test it first, I used to use smoker trait in B41 tho

[glacial cape]

Is smoker worth when you now lose atheletic, only get +2 point & cigarettes are rarer now?

[sturdy sequoia]

ohh yeah it's not as good for sure since they cut the points it gives in half and made cigarettes a lot harder to find but there are enough ways to reduce stress otherwise that it's not been too bad for me personally, I'm still enjoying it

[sturdy sequoia]

I never use athletic to begin with but it's a good point, I'm still using it mostly to experiment and decide for myself whether I think it's worth it. for a lot of people it probably isn't but I like the added side quest of needing cigarettes

[glacial cape]

I never picked smoker anyways because Irl I'm not one, short sighted however :)

plus I didn't like microing smokes

[sturdy sequoia]

lol yeah I can't smoke irl bc w my medication it would make my blood clot or something idr. but I've dropped short sighted from my build since it affects firearms now and I want to try them out normally before I see how short sighted affects it

plus I care a lot about character aesthetic and I don't necessarily always want to wear glasses

[gusty spruce]

does the people in the store restock shelfves?

[cunning turtle]

it even affect the firearms using glasses?

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[sturdy sequoia]

based on the new description of the trait yeah, I'm pretty sure it does. I'm at work and can't check rn but I think so

[cunning turtle]

Let me see your drip

[sturdy sequoia]

no offense to the Velmas out there I just don't always want that vibe lol

[cunning turtle]

Do you smoke vape now or what

[sturdy sequoia]

nah my current save is day 3, da a WIP. I'll post when I loot for better drip

[sturdy sequoia]

no I never smoked, just saying like if we're comparing our character traits in pz to real life

[cunning turtle]

Ahh lmao

[sturdy sequoia]

I'm very short sighted irl but I wear contacts sooo

[cunning turtle]

I do care about the drip in mp no cap

[cunning turtle]

Same, but I don't wear anything lol

[sturdy sequoia]

I care about it in every mode, every save

a lot of the time in video games it's like my primary motivation, I'm just playing so I can look good

[glacial cape]

I am too scared to wear contacts :D

what if I poke my eye out

[sturdy sequoia]

they're not bad once you get over the touching your eyes thing!

[glacial cape]

I look good with my glasses though 😎

Does anybody know if loot degrading exists in CDDA?

like if its already degraded or if the setting is turned on

[cunning turtle]

Lmao same, flexin my drip rq, that's was b41

[glacial cape]

Nice cars!

[cunning turtle]

No cap

[glacial cape]

Yes sir!

[sturdy sequoia]

well you just have to try it and learn how to do it properly. you shouldn't be going into your eyes that hard, it's really more of a pinch to get the contact off your eye. but yeah contact lenses are not for everyone

[sturdy sequoia]

it's giving local plug tbh

[cunning turtle]

Envy

[sturdy sequoia]

envy? lol

[glacial cape]

I feel envious of the people who find a sledgehammer 1 week in whilst I'm struggling 4 months into a run

[sturdy sequoia]

I have such bad luck with finding sledgehammers that I basically just don't bother looking until I'm several months in

[keen gorge]

I mean, just look for road events

[round current]

In my latest save I’ve somehow been unable to find any kind of hammer

[keen gorge]

If I'm actively looking, I get one in less than a day just by driving around

[worthy elbow]

Guys, are there books on B42 to raise your maintenance level?

[glacial cape]

No

only aiming, reloading & long blade by the looks of it and I think long blade one is bugged

[worthy elbow]

how do I level up quickly in maintenance?

[glacial cape]

Spears are apparently your best bet because its based of conditon loss now and since spears lose condition the quickest

other than that I think repairing & sharpening a weapon sare other ways

[worthy elbow]

Tks 🙂

[sturdy sequoia]

I heard using a file to sharpen weapons damages them a lot, does the basic whetstone you can make with a few rocks damage weapons when sharpening at all?

[storm barn]

This update is good

[round current]

I have a very controversial take on the update: ||It’s good, but also things need to be fixed.|| I know it can be hard to see where I’m coming from, but after weeks of pondering I have come to this conclusion

[neat saffron]

Gas-2-Go sucks
They've gone totally woke with their lead free gasoline! It's what the plants crave man!!! Those Gas-2-Go hippies will never get MY hard earned Dollars.

Lead free gasoline... What's next- are we going to allow gay people to marry and be happy so I don't have to hide my affair with the poolboy behind my wife's back anymore??? Don't be absurd. This kind of woke thinking is what's RUINING AMERICA people!!!

[cunning turtle]

What is blud yappin about

[neat saffron]

#tweets

[lethal wolf]

think he is RPing to immerse himself

[unkempt atlas]

It's 1993. "Woke" isn't the term. Complain about "liberals" instead.

[vague trench]

they really didnt do that either lol

[sturdy sequoia]

sarge cars lookin ass

[daring rover]

been away from zomboid for a month hows b42 looking post unstable release

[cunning turtle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1160784514633715744/1312620361237528667/attachment.gif

[vague trench]

im enjoying it

[storm barn]

same, but i dont like the fact my mod list doesn't work

[sturdy sequoia]

I just noticed that yesterday, is it just me or are a lot of mods not showing up in there?

[storm barn]

i cant find the ones i want either

[sturdy sequoia]

are they mods that were updated to b42?

[storm barn]

idk

thats why im looking XD

[daring rover]

i played on release it seems amazing just bums me i cant play with my squad.

[sturdy sequoia]

lol felt, I had a bunch I looked in to yesterday that hadn't updated yet and just unsubbed and favorited them for now. I'll add them back in later on, if they're updated

I miss weapon condition indicator the most

[storm barn]

i miss the amputation mod idk what its called tho

[sturdy sequoia]

only cure?

[storm barn]

yeah

[sturdy sequoia]

I love that one sm, especially with brutal handiwork and fancy handiwork

[storm barn]

ugh fr!

[sturdy sequoia]

on saves when I do lose a limb with that though, I can never find a prosthetic for it

[daring rover]

fire stations always have one for me

[sturdy sequoia]

the only one I know of is in Rosewood though, I'm sure there's more in LV but do Muldraugh or West Point have them? I know Riverside doesn't

[daring rover]

LV has one ik for a fact not sure about Myldraugh

[sturdy sequoia]

yeah ik LV had a small one down by the big fenced in houses to the east but tbh I'm not going all the way to LV for the possibility of a new arm lol

not until much later in a playthrough anyway. I'd just have to hope Rosewood had one, and not be unlucky enough to live in Riverside

[daring rover]

im sure you can up the spawn rate in config too if thats an option

[sturdy sequoia]

oh true I didn't think of that

what would be ideal is if you could at least craft a more primitive version to hold you over until you find a good one

[daring rover]

that would be a great idea look around there might be an existing mod for that already

[sturdy sequoia]

maybe yeah, either way though it's a moot point until only cure is updated to b42

[daring rover]

true

[glacial cape]

Sorry for the low visibility powers out but I found this really cool poker bar setup :) in a basement

I will 100% be coming back here to steal some decorations

[cunning turtle]

Nice poker

[fierce mountain]

Ah yes the house on the southeast edge of Echo Creek by the field

[hardy fox]

if anyones playing with week one, does anyone know what tasks to do for each job to get moneyy

[glacial cape]

Rob people's homes

[hardy fox]

nooooooo..

[glacial cape]

That won't go badly trust

[fierce mountain]

Steal money, Clean Trash, Take specufic professions and experiment.

[hardy fox]

alr i got dr simpson

i dont see how this one could work exactly tho cuz you cant heal npcs

what does this green astericks looking symbol mean?

ohhh i see i found a guide

[hardy fox]

me when i find out 12 gauge (song) was released a year after knoxx virus so its not lore accurate :(

[vast girder]

at 3am i killed people at their houses and stealing their money

i couldnt do anything else since my character doesnt have a profession :(

[glacial cape]

I could be imagining this but do you move slower now the more exhausted you are in b42 or has that always been a thing? (forgot to say during combat stance :P)

[hardy fox]

alright mechanic making big bucks 300$

now im gonna go have my lunch at the diner

[mossy tangle]

I guess no hotfixes this week eh

[glacial cape]

They've only just gotten back on the 6th give it another week or possibly 2

Unless they're releasing hotfixes inline with thursdoids

Honestly might prefer that, cause it also means we might seem some more stuff about b42, and it gives the devs an opportunity to talk a bit more about the development and current problems

[mossy tangle]

Yeah I just thought a couple of the small annoying tweaks, like not being able to used wood charcoal to make an anvil because it isn’t base.charcoal so you have to search high and low for real charcoal lol. Presumably that would just be a matter of adding wood charcoal to a list somewhere

[glacial cape]

My favourite is not being able to start blacksmithing because you need a magazine to make small bladed weapons

Literally have all the other ones i know of except that one magazine lol

[mossy tangle]

Lmao yeah

[foggy valley]

eventually you can actually craft slegehammers

surprisingly you can make most tools in the game from scratch with a high enough metalworking skill

[glacial cape]

That's what I wanna do but no recipe for a small blade which seems to be the entry level item to make for xp

[foggy valley]

ah

I think there is even more basic items to get started with the metalworking stuff

[foggy valley]

a lot of recipes only become visible on higher tier crafting benches

cause I know for a fact you can make like a ton of different blades including a full sized sword with the proper equipment

[glacial cape]

Guess I'll mess around in debug to see what I can use for metalworking xp because as far as I know you need to craft stuff yet I've not found anything I can craft in the primitive forge

[foggy valley]

I think rn the absolute most basic stuff involves purely scrapping things at a basic forge or something

[cunning turtle]

Lv when

[royal heron]

HRGHG

LET ME MAKE COFFEE

[cunning turtle]

Coffee addicted pov ^

[glad pawn]

Weapons that spawn on zombies

[real fox]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3400515378&searchtext=recipe+fix

beware tho : This mod overrides the recipes_baking.txt and the recipes_cooking.txt and the entity_coffeemachine.txt and recipes_jarring.txt scripts, as it doesn't seems like there is a clean way to override a specific recipes at the moment, with the new craft system.
Any mods that also modifies them, will cause compatibility issues

as long as you dont use anything that overides this dirty edit you should be fine :)

dirty fix this author published till devs patch

[royal heron]

I'm sure I have this mod enabled on this playthrough

[real fox]

double check you dont have any mods interfering with it

or that its enabled

[dusty zephyr]

What the hell and its vanilla lmao

[jade haven]

Where is this??

[dusty zephyr]

the underground bunker in the secret base in the wood Be carefull i never see so many zed in 1 place lmao there is like 20 lvl underground

found this one to

[cunning turtle]

[jade haven]

Oh. That makes perfect sense, then.

[steep phoenix]

What is this?😅

[jade haven]

It's a "❤️ Brian." Can't you read?

[cunning turtle]

[steep phoenix]

I know, but what is it doing there?

[jade haven]

Easter Egg

[cunning turtle]

Confessing love I think lmao

[obtuse moon]

Brian look out!

[vague trench]

yah glorious jars of face skins and bits

[dusty zephyr]

I try to find the military base but no luck hidden somewhwre

[unkempt atlas]

Nothing has supposedly changed about the helicopter right? Somehow it summoned a huge horde at my base even though I couldn't possibly have been visible.

All my base are belong to zeds

[dusty zephyr]

Yes same crap

[vague trench]

no mods or anything? i havent come across that even when i based in lv

[frozen wyvern]

Pinpoint hearing zeds are the difference

[unkempt atlas]

No relevant mods no

[frozen wyvern]

Because they randomly exist now more zombies will be attracted

[jade haven]

Does anyone know why there's a bunch of inaccuracies on https://b42map.com ? Like, it literally labels AMZ Steel as a "Lumber Mill."

[frozen wyvern]

B42 just came out, dont expect perfection

[opaque schooner]

Just report them if you see an issue

[frozen wyvern]

The map is absoljtely massive and there arent a ton of people making that map

[opaque schooner]

Seriously

[vague trench]

Is that even the official url?

[velvet egret]

they’ll update the Project Map later this month hopefully

[jade haven]

No, but the official map won't be updated until some time this month. This also happened when B41's map expansions happened and we were using https://map.six.ph

[delicate rover]

do we know if rabbits need to use a hutch at night to be protected from foxes? I saw theres a mechanic where foxes willgo after chickens that are out after dark, but I recently found a small rabbit farm where they are loose in a pen with no protection. worried for the little buggers

[vocal sentinel]

Foxes? I haven’t heard anything about that yet

[frozen wyvern]

Foxes are just a 'meta' event right now, they're simulated

Not actually in the game (yet?)

[delicate rover]

correct but they can still kill your smaller animals. I am wondering if the rabbits are subject to this meta event

[frozen wyvern]

I think just chickens right now

[delicate rover]

ah aight good to know thanks, imo it would be nice to have a rabbit hutch one day too. similar to the chicken hutch but minus the egg trays or somethin

[forest shore]

You also have to turn on the meta predator first btw

[keen gorge]

We should be getting more animals soon

Hell, there's also the likelihood someone will just mod it in, the codebase for the other animals are already there

[subtle tendon]

When Mac patch

[left kindle]

I'm really hoping we get ducks, geese, domesticated Turkeys and Boars soon

[pallid hinge]

I want advanced amphibian intelligence

[forest shore]

Domesticated turkeys are already in

They're pretty uncommon, but you can find them at farms like other animals.

[fleet loom]

Personally I would like dogs and horses to get in the mix

[stone nacelle]

i'd just like a hotfix for the more pressing issues with systems in game tbh, dogs no thanks, horses would be very cool

[left kindle]

those would require animations and their own models, etc. but ducks and geese and hens act very similar, and are more or less the same size and Boars are just Bigger pigs with tusks so that should be very easy too

[waxen spade]

Probably boars should have different behaviour though.

Something like act like deers but attacking you if you are to near and they have baby.

This is more difficult to do I suppose...

[fleet loom]

That might be true but does not stop me wanting dogs and horses either.. Horses for when the fuel vanishes.. Oh do foxes go for all poultry or just chickens? I have kept rabbits for ages and they not got eaten by meta fox yet.

[waxen spade]

May be you must active it on sandbox, I think is deactivated by default

Not completely sure

[cunning turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/project-zomboid-project-z-zomboid-zomb-dance-zomboid-gif-24670810

[waxen spade]

Do we known if TIS is considering something like this for future builds?

I think is a very smart approach to make mountains like environment, and it could be a special biome to use on "random procedural wilderness".

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2898065560&searchtext=Mountain

[severe egret]

Wow someone did this shit already? Is it like, navigable?

[waxen spade]

It's still B41 so you can't use vehicle I think

But with 42 they showed us vehicle on multilevel buildings

So may be that if updated on B42 is possible use vehicle there

Yes anyway you can go up. You don't climbs but there are some passage.

[royal heron]

MAVIS FROM HOTEL TRANSLVANIA?!

[left kindle]

how is this not in the game already?

[severe egret]

Likely the sheer amount of work required to add terrain depth to the entire map

[cunning turtle]

Good question

[waxen spade]

I hope this will be taken into account for "wilderness generation as a special biome", may be will be considered in future builds.

I would be curious to know what Pat think, hope the answer will not be something like: "this is not project Skyrim" or something like that 😄

[silk nova]

which tool i need to obtain fur or leather from rabbits?

[glacial cape]

fleshling tool?

[silk nova]

i have it but still i can only butcher the dead rabbit

[glacial cape]

hmm maybe its too small of animal to go onto the butcher's hook? Idk if you've tried that yet or if there is rabbit leather item

[silk nova]

there is a rabbit leather item and it cannot go on the hook i'll try to raise the butchering level

[ionic barn]

this house is missing half of its upper floor?

[cunning turtle]

sus

[real fox]

Is this riverside? There’s a house in the gated community that does this, same with West Point

[ionic barn]

yep

thats the one you're probably referring to

[real fox]

Yeeeee

It’s a known thing rn sadly

[ionic barn]

i got so excited because it was working up to be an amazing safehouse and then.. that

[real fox]

I usually do the bar in riverside or one of the houses in the gated community with a old stove if it has one

There’s some farms nearby too

[forest shore]

Apparently if you tick 'all clothing unlocked' in sandbox settings you can start with a backpack??

Decided I wanted a challenge - I start knowing every crafting recipe but with a broken leg. Lets see if I die.

[cunning turtle]

Let's see.

[dusty zephyr]

Anyone found the military base already ? its hidden really hard

[forest shore]

I need new pants

I forgot I have sprinters set to like 2%

[cunning turtle]

[forest shore]

and I have a broken leg. RIP. I almost died.

...Wellp. That was a short run.

[cunning turtle]

F

[forest shore]

I forget how long it takes a broken bone to heal. I want to say a month with slow healer? I can't recall.

[cunning turtle]

A lot of time

[forest shore]

I must hate myself

I set zombie navigation to random - including being able to open doors and windows. I just had a zombie open a freaking window.

[cunning turtle]

That's scary ngl

[vague trench]

😆

would be scary at night

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[umbral raven]

Does anyone know if, in debug mode, there's a way to edit the structure of buildings? (I.E. i want to take out some walls with windows and replace them with walls with no windows, but they must match the existing walls)

[forest shore]

Peak day is tomorrow - I set it to day 2. But I should be able to survive a month here, until my leg is healed. Hopefully I can find a chicken or two - that'll help a lot.

[forest shore]

Should be doable even without debug mode

[opaque schooner]

If debug mode has copy tile then yes

Can’t remember if there’s a mod for it or not

[warm ocean]

Yes you can do it in debug
alternatively you can find a Sledgehammer so you can deconstruct pre-built walls yourself.

[cunning turtle]

Good luck

[forest shore]

[warm ocean]

Just 3 construction to build a water containr from tarp/garbage bags and you are already SET

[forest shore]

Better yet - I found TWO cars with keys. No gas, but I just managed to siphon some from a wreck...

[wooden ravine]

how do I place a two part fridge?

[forest shore]

One will be sacrificed. I want that pack that zombie has.

[forest shore]

Both parts on the ground where you want to place it or in your inventory.

[wooden ravine]

thanks it worked

[warm ocean]

chances are big thats a survivor zombie.

If one bag is standing between 16-20 zeds.
Its a goodiebag

[forest shore]

I did tweak the group sizes. So there can be groups up to 60 zombies

[warm ocean]

Does it affect story spawns aswel?

Its a story spawn- i think - since they can spawn randomly on abandoned highways too

[vague trench]

nothing like a side of murder for a packing pack

[forest shore]

I'm not sure

It's only Day 2 - I didnt think survivor zeds sapwned until like day 7.

[warm ocean]

its exactly precisely 16 zeds in ur pic its a goodiebag im certain

[forest shore]

My current zombie settings are fun though. Peak day is day 2, zombies are fully random on senses, memory, and navigation so some can open doors and windows. There's also 2% sprinters. Although I did turn off bite infection (rage at me for it, I don't play with sprinters and infection though)

[warm ocean]

Youre more man than i am, i will not turn sprinters on.

[forest shore]

There was an alarm there at the house, so it may or may not be. Either way I need the bag itself. We'll see in just a moment.

[warm ocean]

Im excited, post updates 😄

[forest shore]

Absolutely Once I get all my stuff I gathered together I'm going to haul butt to a farm somewhere. Not sure where. (someone pick for me, I'm in Muldraugh but I want to base near the new area of map to explore)

[warm ocean]

Muldraugh hmm

You could leave south to the Construction site to get a great base, a little down you can get a car at the Open air cinema only to fill it up at the gasstation across and stock up on
Icecream and an icecream freezer

[forest shore]

Target down - but I also want that trailer. I may be getting greedy.

[warm ocean]

o wait thats rosewood

ye o'le classic

[forest shore]

I'm not sure about staying in Muldraugh with a broken leg though

Oh also helicopter is set to 'sometimes' and animals attract zeds. So that's worth considering.

[warm ocean]

hmm, so youd want to settle somewhere far from hotspots

Are those military quarters in the middle northmost?
Might be able to pick up some goodies

that one singular house without a bleu dot

[vague trench]

no its camping stuff

really good spot to get sleeping bags and stuff and hardly any zombies i think maybe i come across like 1-3 sometimes on winter is coming challenge

[forest shore]

Wellp - the back just had insect repellant and a water bottle. Well worth it though to have a hiking bag.

[warm ocean]

yeah its the same loot as

right?

[warm ocean]

sadge no snac 😦

[forest shore]

Well worth my effort to go there - I already have a high quality sleeping bag, but I think it'll be worth the trip. At least to base temporarily.

It is a unique skin pack I haven't seen though

Oooo and he has a passport! Interesting.

[vague trench]

yah anytime i start in muldrag i always go there now , really nice clothing for scratch resist too

[warm ocean]

You -could- go to the lakehouse too

it requires some clearign bvut you'd have everything

[warm ocean]

You're now him.

[forest shore]

Done that once - no way I can do that with a broken leg though.

[vague trench]

lol

[warm ocean]

I havent been there ill be honest, i have no idea how bad it will be haha

[forest shore]

I just had a fricken heart attack. Sprinter came up and tried to chomp me.

[vague trench]

need motion tracker lol

[wet timber]

has this happened to anypne?

[forest shore]

That would actually be cool af. Have motion trackers to alert when zombies are near like perimeter alarms on my base

[forest shore]

Uh... No.. Did you roll back or update to unstable?

[wet timber]

i haven't changed versions, that save was in unstable and im playing in unstable

[forest shore]

Check your mods list, then verify files is what I would do.

[wet timber]

i did, no mods appear from all that i had, its like it all dissappeared

[vague trench]

https://tenor.com/view/aliens-motion-tracker-gif-24281577

[forest shore]

Crap - I got corpse sickness.

[forest shore]

Restart steam then verify files again just to be sure.

[cunning turtle]

[wet timber]

seems to be working, i uninstalled and installed

[forest shore]

Oh if none of you have tried playing where living zombies can also give you corpse sickness you totally should. Adds a whole new layer of gameplay.

[vague trench]

i tried the looted buildings on insane and i found a lot of magazines i havent seen before , gotta play more with that setting it was really fun on 12 months laters

[vague trench]

thats really neat , gives gas masks lot of purpose

[wet timber]

the performance upgrade is great but when adding a ton of zombies it kinda misses the point as it drops performance on low pc

[cunning turtle]

F

[wet timber]

it worked, it seemed like all my mods were uniinstalled all of a sudden, ty man

[forest shore]

I made it to the North Farm guys. But I need gas for my truck.

Going to try and do some scouting - hopefully I don't have to backtrack to Muldraugh and siphon more gas.

[cunning turtle]

Blud got luck

[forest shore]

It's Both terrifying and hilarious seeing a zombie naruto run out of the woods when driving by

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[frozen wyvern]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3405499207

I made another dumb thing

[vague trench]

😆 that is amazing haha

[cunning turtle]

Blud is creative

[lethal wolf]

hmm is engine repair supposed to be just 1% per spare parts, feels...pointless

[cunning turtle]

pointless

[lethal wolf]

so cars will become unusable at one point then, unless I find pristine cars with pristine engine (I assume you need a heavy duty engine for heavy duty vehicle?)

at least an engine hunt beats hauling 17 sacks of gravel 10+ times to build a road system to my island(s)

[unkempt atlas]

How do you secure stairs like this? If I do the usual thing of removing the stairs and dropping a rope, I'm going to fall into the basement...

[lethal wolf]

remove both stairs, build a wooden floor to ensure your rope won't go below the ground level

if you cannot destroy the basement stairs from higher level, then its gonna get harder

[unkempt atlas]

I'd love to be able to tell you, if I could find a gd sledgehammer

So for now I guess it is a theoretical question only

[lethal wolf]

if you cannot destroy the basement stairs from above, you need to sledge another floor tile to create a hole to basement, add sheet rope to rappel down to basement, destroy the stairs, climb the sheet rope, plug hole in the floor while removing the sheet rope system

[glacial cape]

Is there any possibility of this being a thing https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Jar with the ceramic jar you can make with pottery lol

[frozen wyvern]

There is ALWAYS a possibility

[stray reef]

How to obtain charcoal for the blacksmith anvil? (wood charcoal doesn't work)

[fringe barn]

you have to loot it lmao

I dont think blacksmithing is worth it without modding it for now

[silk nova]

if there is no conditon lose from the tools is only good for spears swords and armours no more

anyone of u guys was able to obtain fur from rabbits or still nbot implemented

[forest shore]

Gotta love these random groups

That one has magazine armor!

[vague trench]

i always stope and loot for those guys now , pretty cool they added them

[forest shore]

Survivor zombies have been in for quite a while - they're just easier to spot with the new armor.

Was so worth it - an AK that's wore tf out, but a 12 gauge shotgun and a lot of ammo (using guns of 93)

[hallow adder]

Don't even expect this until in February.

[forest shore]

This was a great recommendation - the entire complex was clear save for a accident on the road that only had two zombies. It also has two fridges, so plenty of food storage to store the raided produce from the nearby warehouse.

[warm ocean]

nice 😄

[warm ocean]

currently watching moonmoon play that 7 days before mod... but i dont think he realises what happens on the 7th day ._.''

[forest shore]

I fricken forgot AGAIN that zombies can open windows in my game

[forest shore]

I actually found animal trailers without animals

So I found one of those fabled 45lb fish - should I slice it or cook it and eat it whole

[lethal wolf]

try fitting it into a campfire or a stove first

[forest shore]

Will I lose some mass when I slice it is the real question

[lethal wolf]

it will, and even with organized, you cannot fit it to a stove or campfire anymore, they have like 15 unit limit (19 with organized)

have to use it in meals in order to utilize

[forest shore]

...I'm going to eat it raw.

[lethal wolf]

is it 340 hunger?

[sturdy sequoia]

now this is the drip i've been missing out on

also, unrelated, has anyone figured out how to build walls with carpentry that aren't all shoddy with the gaps between the boards? I can't figure out how to upgrade it in the building menu like i could before with the right click menu

[forest shore]

Huh - interesting. It's the 15th and my broken leg is already healed

[forest shore]

Is it known if the Public Access TV Station is on the current map?

[dusty zephyr]

Im so sad i drive to my farm to drop out my cow and the moment i take it out he die ..... 😦

[vague trench]

Lol

https://tenor.com/view/myself-gif-22349538

Thats not the guf i wanted

[dusty zephyr]

Look at what they make me do now ...

ok no more playing i butcher it and a baby fall off

[vague trench]

Lnao what

[mossy tangle]

I found a small building marked restricted area that has a ridiculously long underground tunnel lol

still not at the end

[glacial cape]

For anyone who needs a fix for farming
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3402458927

[real fox]

You only need the bottom one not both :)

The top one is irrelevant now as the bottom mod actually fixes it the first mod was a quick dirty fix

[glacial cape]

Good point I missed that

[mossy tangle]

Farming mode engage

[glacial cape]

Haven't added a fix for farming yet though im thinking of it since I already have one for drain & empty propane torches

[mossy tangle]

Based on reading it, it seems like he just actually figured out the oversight and fixed it lol

[glacial cape]

Still vanilla in my eyes when the only mods I have are fixes

[sturdy sequoia]

the lack of skill books on normal loot settings is killing me, I feel so slowed down by not having the books to start leveling the skills I want to start using/grinding

[mossy tangle]

Some of these issues are funny, like did none of the 30 people they had testing before the unstable release try farming at all?

[forest shore]

At what age do cows become aggressive to each other? I have a Angus Calf and I'd rather he not get murked by the Holstein Bull I have.

[mossy tangle]

I think it says juvenile?

[forest shore]

I suppose I should seperate the mother and calf from the rest of the herd for now.

Or maybe just move the bull away for now.

[keen gorge]

Absolutely heinous crimes commited by TIS

[mossy tangle]

Multplication

[dusty zephyr]

God damn i just die after surviving 2months ... i raided a house there was way more bandit that i think like 20 and when i thing the house was clear 1 of them was hidding and give me a machete hit direct to the throat lmao

[unkempt atlas]

Let us pour one out for Cori Fritz, who survived her vehicle dying in the middle of nowhere on day 2 and her base being overrun with zeds during the helicopter visit on day 8, only to randomly get lacerated & infected by a zombie hiding in a random shed somewhere. 12 days * 4 hr days.

[frozen wyvern]

🍻

[forest shore]

Turns out Angus cows are horrible for milk. Which I expected.

[frozen wyvern]

You only hear that name in relation to beef anyway haha

[forest shore]

First time I have ever had a car with 100 Engine Quality. Definitely swapping my pickup for this beauty.

Crap it has a blown tire

[forest shore]

Think I'm going to try and clear Fallas Lake. I need to clear a gas station

[dawn elm]

noice

[forest shore]

The random sprinter screeching at me out of nowhere freaks me out.

With a high sprinter chance you expect it - but I have it set to 2% so I know it can occur, but it's really uncommon.

[forest shore]

....Why the f is my tire falling off lol

Ah.... So that's why... Apparently when you uninstall a tire it loses all air pressure.

[sturdy wren]

no patches yet ?

[forest shore]

Not yet.

[granite tusk]

thought it'd be worse

[cunning turtle]

[cunning turtle]

How's the run going

[cunning turtle]

What were you looking for in there lmao

[gusty spruce]

bruh the npc's entered my house like nothing happened and then killed me

and how do i prevent car wrecks from spawning

[waxen spade]

May be in sandbox, you should find something like "vehicle stories" or something like that I don't remember.

If you low that you should get less car wrecks.

You can also rise the "general vehicle condition"

[gusty spruce]

ok thx ill try that

[granite tusk]

Alice rig

[cunning turtle]

Lmao that's why, it's worth it fr

[red hazel]

oh man, not again. Bat ghosted through a zed and got bitten

[cunning turtle]

Sadness

[red hazel]

The annoying thing is that it happens pretty often lol

as in like one every 400 zeds? Which isnt a lot tbh

[cunning turtle]

You need to practice more ur fighting skills, it doesn't happens to me

[red hazel]

What do you mean? Rather than gambling first strike with a weapon, you push first or what? lol

[cunning turtle]

When you're fighting hit em backing away, let them come closer to you, you'll get it playing more hours

[gusty spruce]

it would be cool to have an option to just not have a zombie apocalypse

[red hazel]

but that's what I've been doing all along? "Kiting" lol

[glacial cape]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OxClEnV-UVI

[real fox]

Polish cow my beloved

[granite tusk]

are you playing with outlines?

[red hazel]

nah

[cunning turtle]

Play with it lol

[granite tusk]

I usually try to align them into a line with tall fences or building nearly everytime I'm getting overwhelmed

Never felt anything like that happening

Especially when it seems like weapon hit cones are same as previous builds

[cunning turtle]

cool, what i do when im getting overwhelemd is rest in a car, i always try to control the situation, not the situation controls me lol

[red hazel]

numbers wasnt the issue. There was just one in front of me. I swung and watch my bat flew through it like a ghost and got bit. That's about it lol

[real fox]

i had that weird map reset bug happen again

again im playing moded so i cant really verify whats causing it, but im thinking it might be because a mod auto updates that changes possibly something with map data (maybe???) idk

[cunning turtle]

just use the outline melee lmao

[red hazel]

Ill see if I miss again with it on lol

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[cunning turtle]

Unstable version

[real fox]

i tbh think its user error on my part

because more people would have reported it by now, im thinking its a mod thing that could be contributing to the issue

[cunning turtle]

I thought u played just vanilla

[real fox]

90 percent of the mods are mostly bug fixes and the rest are QOL mods like generator time left

[cunning turtle]

Makes sense

[glacial cape]

My only mods are fixes atm but I miss my QOL, sticking to vanilla in the meantime until I feel safe wtih using QOL :P

anyone else noticed that antique stoves aren't 50 weight anymore either have all the cooking appliances/campfires had their storage capacity reduced?

[cunning turtle]

Are u using illiterate trait in this?

[granite tusk]

🥵

[left kindle]

it's named "can't read" now.... so stupid

[spark cosmos]

That was reverted in 42.0.1. See #patchnotes message

Also seems like a total non-issue & it's very odd to call it "so stupid", but that's neither here nor there

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[cunning turtle]

[granite tusk]

[stone nacelle]

Yes that is it, even on lowest settings you'll find a fair number of them. The middle setting had literally hundreds of cars spawning all over the place

[stone nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scream-crazy-crazy-cat-quote-gif-26708740

[left kindle]

the raging is hilarious

I like this game and respect TIS, but I was calling them out for an unnecessary downgrade that they went back on/ fixed. so I don't understand why you're all mad

[stone nacelle]

It's OK lil dude

[left kindle]

see? still mad over nothing

[stone nacelle]

It's OK lil guy

[left kindle]

OK then, good

[stone nacelle]

Now that you got it out do you feel better, perhaps it's time for a lil nap

[left kindle]

whatever you say, KIND SIR

[glacial cape]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/409018996780695559/1046789008899985498/Hyper_Dancing_AOL_Guy.gif

[sturdy sequoia]

the girls are fightinggg

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

It's just a game lmao

[granite tusk]

still don't get how that could make one stupid

[left kindle]

what? I was calling the change stupid/pointless(which was reverted, thankfully) and meant no offense to anyone, really.... maybe yall misunderstood?

[granite tusk]

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[cunning turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/bull-scared-bullrun-bearmarketrally-gif-26516693

[drifting thicket]

Animals that attack you while you sleep dont wake you up

Died to a cock scratched to death 5 months in

this is a fucking nighmare fuel im not letting animals in my house ever again

[cunning turtle]

Holy shit

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[glacial cape]

That's the best death I've heard of in a while haha

[cunning turtle]

Fr

[lethal wolf]

I have nearly emptied the giant lake area from gravel tiles to build my road

[cunning turtle]

[lethal wolf]

its like there never was a knox virus when I work as a landmass hauler

[cunning turtle]

What happened with the void

[lethal wolf]

the window to the shadow realm is covered by craftsman quality wood and dirt on top like it never existed

[hidden path]

workbenches don't count as surfaces?

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[lethal wolf]

or possibly I decided the square dirt looks unnatural vs the original look of the tile so I put lighthouse foundation on top

[cunning turtle]

Send a screenshot to see it

[lethal wolf]

its not very impressive to have a round-ish shape of wooden floor just covering the void

maybe I could abuse this bug to send the zombies to shadow realm

[cunning turtle]

Cool

[lethal wolf]

no corpses, no corpse sickness

[cunning turtle]

Makes sense

[lethal wolf]

March Ridge should be my target goal to build a wall of void holes to send them all to hell, quite literally deep underground

just remains to be seen if zombies treat void portals the same as they do with holes in a floor, if they try to avoid them as much as possible, or just try to go over and get sent to where they belong

[cunning turtle]

Let us know what's the zombies reaction to the holes lol

[lethal wolf]

might take a while since I'm still hauling gravel like it was a day job! I dont wanna haul loot by foot so the more road access my island(s) have the better. Also trained mechanics to 6 so I can steal engines

[cunning turtle]

[lethal wolf]

its a peaceful life to not see zombies for weeks, at least in any capacity to be a danger. PZ is very wholesome zombie game where I can play without encountering any

[cunning turtle]

Yeah like harvest moon for example

[lethal wolf]

PZ is truly doing something right when the game transcends its genre optionally if desired. Not just a Left 4 Dead endless zombie slaying simulator but american dream in a very fucked up world

Would almost call it like some seasons of the Walking Dead where zombies were very minor threat and focus was elsewhere, but then many really disliked that aspect of the show...but I find joy in simpler life in a zombie game 😄

[cunning turtle]

it would be alike to walking dead when the npcs comes out fr

[lethal wolf]

one of those games I would seriously consider as a prime candidate if I ever had to choose "the one game I could keep and forsaking the rest" in its 1.0 full game state

[fluid panther]

guys, who can recommend a base near water and forest, so that it is close to the city

[wet timber]

There's a lake close to muldraugh, or LV central park iirc

[warm ocean]

How do you go about 'smelting' these broken items? (ignore the hammer)

[twin warren]

[wet timber]

project zomboid old man back cramp emoji goes hard

[twin warren]

literally me after

[spark vine]

what happens

[twin warren]

Can anyone recall their experience of getting into guns unlimited? I want to know how the hell you did it

[cunning turtle]

[twin warren]

[cunning turtle]

[warm ocean]

you can read it on the mod page

[spark vine]

oh

kaboom

[cunning turtle]

[twin warren]

Anyone else feel like this game is much scarier now haha

[cunning turtle]

yeah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1160784514633715744/1312620361237528667/attachment.gif

[twin warren]

Just went to Ekron for the first time and peaked through a window in the community college, zombies don't stop piling out and it was pitch black inside

Some I Am Legend shit

There defo needs to be some more survivor zombies or abandoned vehicles that spawn to replace the deleted loot that happens overtime

Find that fucker who took all those useful books

[cunning turtle]

lmao

[forest shore]

I got an All Terrain SUV last night - had to use debug to put the air in the tire after swapping tires. Lesson learned that tires reset to 0 pressure when removed. Got plenty of fuel, for a while. But no generator yet. So far so good. Oh and leg is healed.

[cunning turtle]

Cool, if u leg is already healed youre good then

[glacial cape]

If anyone needs skill books or magazines check out storage lots cardboard boxes which have them

got more from them those lots then bookstores, schools etc

[cunning turtle]

what city

[glacial cape]

Doesn't matter the spawns should be the same so you should find the same stuff in any other storage lots, but fyi it was Riverside industrial area

[vague trench]

does anyone know what the default was?

[lethal wolf]

0.6?

[cunning turtle]

1.60 i think

[vague trench]

thanks

[lethal wolf]

ahh you mean pre-nerf?

[vague trench]

yah

[lethal wolf]

if unstable launch strain factor was 1.00 and now current 1.00 is old 0.6. So add 40% to current default

1.40 strain in hotfixed b42 would be same as pre-nerf strain

[cunning turtle]

yeah its 1.40

[vague trench]

awesome thanks so much yall

[forest shore]

Ah so you too are an enjoyer of the pre-nerf strain?

[cunning turtle]

Pro player

[forest shore]

I'm debating on moving base now - or waiting until power shuts off.

I could use the time to raise my strenght - which is only at level 2 right now

[cunning turtle]

Just level two? Damn

[vague trench]

i just wanna mess around with it and see the differences , i cant even tell with the nerf really

[lethal wolf]

lucky me I found dumbbells early on my run in a basement, made STR training to 4 relatively fast

[forest shore]

Started with the puny trait - which starts with 0 strenght I think

[lethal wolf]

ah great, one cannot uninstall engines at all

just repair...with 1% repair effect per part...

never mind for some reason I can infinitely repair engine now with 3-5% per repair, without using engine parts at all as long as they are in my bag

[vague trench]

lol

just like butchering?

[lethal wolf]

PZ giveth bugs, and I taketh the exploits

[vague trench]

me with the sodies

[forest shore]

I want to setup rabbit and rat pens

I want unusual animals as my farm animals (and probably some sheep for milk instead of cows)

[vague trench]

do you guys free the ones you find in trailers? i feel bad leaving them

[vague trench]

can we breed rats?

[forest shore]

I haven't tried actually breeding them - but you can essentially tame them by putting them in a pasture zone

[vague trench]

i shall make bean city

[lethal wolf]

just found out that even if you manage to get renewable source of wire, to make them into barbed wire you need...another recipe. I guess any destructive animal is out of question in a normal playthrough anywhere where stress could be a thing

and without higher than ground floor level farming, I have to wonder how urban life becomes possible with this build

[wooden rose]

i free them and release them into a small room and then proceed to beat them to death with a pipe and eat them

[lethal wolf]

as in, can't fish in a town/city, can't farm easily without compromising the security, can't tend to animals easily if any passing zed makes them destroy your walls unless we start learning common sense recipes via skillups or by somehow experimenting

...I wonder if chickens can make you gain weight?

[forest shore]

That's a first! And I guess you can breed rabbits lol. Totally yoinking these fellas

[lethal wolf]

great, I can emulate my RL bunnies in game

since you can name them and all!

(do bunnies actually give decent hunger values now vs b41 trapping?)

[vague trench]

bun bun factory

[left kindle]

I heard butchering is currently broken and doesn't yield much meat, not sure though

[forest shore]

Butchering is skill based now

It seems that higher levels = better meat

Oh hey I accidently found Echo Creek! (I'm trying to find a new base without using the online map)

[left kindle]

I think having certain professions should give you additional buffs, like a butcher has been butchering most of his life, he should get more meat out of butchering animals(especially cows, sheep, hens) than anyone with a high level butchering skill

[forest shore]

That moment when you get out at the echo creek gas station to see a zombie SPRINTING AT YOU

Sprinters will never not freak me out. Idk who decided to give them their own sounds but it's both genius and terrifying.

[vague trench]

yah i just been using that fold out looking map for maps , its been way funner

[forest shore]

...I need to mass delete saves from my saves folder lol

[lethal wolf]

a roadkill bunny gave me -1 hunger meat, but yeah noticed some really big animals barely give meat worth their weight

[forest shore]

Okay yea - butcher level has a huge impact on meat returns.

Just tested it in debug mode, level 10 butcher is something like 200% more efficient. So I'd say meat returns aren't bugged - you just need to grind butchery.

Maybe zombie butchery mod so you can practice? 😛

To give an idea - I think it was something like 1000 calorie difference between level 0 and level 10 butchery.

[unkempt atlas]

The fact that so many game features are currently partially or totally broken makes me feel no guilt about exploiting the bugs to my advantage. Not getting much meat from butchering? Butcher the same rabbit 50 times, then you'll have lots of meat and also your butchery skill will be higher.

[forest shore]

Idfk what I just ran into to the west of echo creek but it almost killed me holy crap

[vague trench]

like in your car or somethin?

[forest shore]

It was a massive amount of zombies. I think it may of been the gun range. Idk though.

There were HUNDREDS it was insane.

[vague trench]

oh that gun place near it yah lol drove past that once and was like uhh nah

[summer hull]

no news of the next patch?

[light drift]

Im fiending for them to fix performance on my system

[forest shore]

The current build is stable enough I suspect they're doing some larger fixes for now. So we don't know when next patch will be.

[vague trench]

maybe theyll do soda last lol

[keen gorge]

Nah, they're waiting for more mods to update so once they release the patch, Reddit goes nuclear because everything broke

[vague trench]

diggin around in the trash cans is the best thing ever in 42 , so much snackery

[forest shore]

Pretty sure that's going to be fixed at next hotfix - the fix is literally moving a decimal.

[forest shore]

It doesn't matter what the devs do, Reddit will be angry 😂

[vague trench]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[vague trench]

dont forget reddit's brother steamforums

[delicate rover]

is the sleeping bag the only thing we can attach to the bottom of a hiking backpack?

[vague trench]

i tink so , i havent really seen if we can attach anything else though

[storm barn]

anyone know why the NPC mods dont work, like they do but after a while of playing i notice every single world i had made, stopped spawning them after playing for a while, and today i noticed it even earlier there was only the initial starting NPCs including the usual Police, military, survivors, firemen, lab professors, hazmat people etc. but they only spawned that one time and only in that part of the map i was in (riverside)

[delicate rover]

yeah I havent found anything else either. I hope theres more than just the bag though, would be nice to have options

[heady sentinel]

tents can be attached too, i believe

[digital cloud]

bros a raccoon

[dawn elm]

trash cans spawning with rotten food items rather than them always looking soo clean

glad the garbage bags are easier to find for making those rain collector barrels

[forest shore]

The box of garbage bags is so nice

[dawn elm]

finding items in packs rather than individuals

[pallid hinge]

You could always save the file in it's current form and then drop it in if they ever patch it

It's in the file called fluids_Beverages

[heady field]

are shotguns no longer has multi hit/ bullet spread?

it feels like im using a bolt action rifle lol

[pallid hinge]

They are still multihit just a lot less spread

[vague trench]

think one of the devs pinned a post in #pz_b42_chat regarding shotguns

[pallid hinge]

#pz_b42_chat message

[heady field]

I guess im gonna saw my shotgun for more spread

thanks guys, I like how shotgun seems to have better range now.. but its just weird the bullet didnt spread much even with the upgraded choke tube 😆

[vague trench]

how do i tell if under cover lol

found this crustball

[subtle tendon]

when mac patch

[forest shore]

Made it to the final base location for this run. I need to gether some more animals, I have two pigs and a bunch of rabbits.

[vague trench]

i just walked past there lol

was following some road and got lost

[forest shore]

It's a nice base location

I just had the zombie teleporting to standing up behind me while stomping on its brains

Got bit

I have infection off though. So it's a inconvenience. Mainly the fact its on my neck

[heady field]

cleared some of the horde, but they just keep coming x-x

[pine latch]

Your arms will be sore in the morning

[forest shore]

sigh I think I found another recipe where something was left out. To make tongs you need a heading tool. But you can use improvised tongs to make the tongs. But to make the heading tool you need tongs and you can't use improvised tongs.

So I basically need a full set of blacksmithing tools before I can make anything

Guess they threw an end of the world party. I doubt any loot here is going to be worth this much activity.. But we'll try anyway.

[forest shore]

Okay that took literally until now before I could even get into the mansion. Insane.

So far the kitchen is a bust. But it's a large place - maybe the loot will be worth it. (doubtful.)

[forest shore]

I think locations like that need a lot more balancing - why are there hundreds of zombies at a mansion in middle of the woods with next to no loot inside. It feels like there's less zombies in all of echo creek than there were in that one mansion.

[ornate jackal]

I think an actual realistic distribution of zombies would make it boring. I found the 41 distribution a lot more annoying tbh

[frozen wyvern]

I have thought about how it might be beneficial to add a third Zombie Distribution sandbox option that would be more realistic

Because the one we have now makes for a more interesting game but doesnt make much theoretical sense

If everybody was getting sick and dying, why would a resturaunt be full?

[forest shore]

I like the new distribution save for these types of places.

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah it absolutely needs more tuning

Id just like to know the design choices for the distribution, is it just that POIs have higher zombie counts?

[forest shore]

I think it's supposed to be that higher population areas have higher zombie counts - but it seems that for some reason any mildly interesting POI has a crap ton of zombies.

[frozen wyvern]

I heard theres an abandoned school in the middle of nowhere thats absolutely jam packed with zombies

Which is very funny

[forest shore]

It is so nice to be able to equip a canteen to your belt

[sturdy sequoia]

I didn't know we could do that, where do you get canteens from?

[severe egret]

I wouldnt assume they all stay where they turned. In the case of certain places like restaurants, I can see why zombies might flock to them over time. Colorful lights, commercial grade equipment still making noise etc.

But in the case of say the mansion, or guns unlimited.. it does seem a bit too much

[forest shore]

The chickenacolaypse strikes again.

[glacial cape]

Free weapon & butchering xp strikes again

[forest shore]

I really don't want to go through the stupid hassle of debugging htem away so... Yea... THat's what I'm going to do. Embrace the bugs.

[vague trench]

Cockockalypse

[forest shore]

This one I found on a survivor zed. But there's a few camping supply stores on the map, as well as some of the 'barracks' in remote areas of the map.

Going to enjoy the whopping 1 FPS while I knife all these stupid chickens.

They are actively duplicating???

I guess this proves the chicken came before the egg though.

[vague trench]

Lmao

[forest shore]

My poor steam deck

I'm surprised it hasn't started melting.

Cool so it appears they KEPT spawning until I relogged.

Now to cull. I do have a butcher book to read too 😄

the chickens started panicking. My fps got worse somehow.

oh no

I made a mistake. In the moment it took me to walk into the chicken run dozens escaped

So I learned chickens may scratch you when you try to slaughter them. No big deal. Until there's hundreds. I'm debugging myself a shotgun

[glacial cape]

Hahaha I heard that someone died to chickens so be careful with that 🙃

Literally would you take 1 giant chicken or 100 chickens in pz

[forest shore]

Weird - apparently this many chickens really stink

[glacial cape]

Usually takes a bit longer to get queasy from bodies compared to b41 but if you have a mask, respirator or gas mask it will help although the masks only give defense against it

[forest shore]

....Well... They broke the fence....

[glacial cape]

Jesus, they've really messed that fence & you up

why're the chickens so deadly 💀

[forest shore]

They're everywhere

Up to 18 fps though! Getting there.

[glacial cape]

queue left 4 dead horde track

[glacial cape]

Not nearly the amount of chickens you have or compared to the chickenapocalypse you had but thats a lotta pigs

I do not have the freezer capacity for all that :D maybe I can build a meat shed and just fill it with butcher hooks & freezer boxes near my lifestock zones

I don't really know how to check for genes or if there's a level requirement

[forest shore]

Afaik we can't see genes currently without debug

[forest shore]

I did have the same issue as the chickens but with pigs previously

[glacial cape]

Dang that's unfortunate I have level 6 animal care I guess it makes sense and we just have to guess which genes animals have at an glance or its not fully implemented yet?

[fluid panther]

how you do that?

[frozen wyvern]

Oink

[rough kraken]

is reinforcing doors with furniture going to be removed until the devs find a way to make doors not open/shut when blocked or is it just going to be removed all together now

im curious if anyone knows at all because blocking doors with furniture was removed, likely due to the animation associated with opening doors now

[karmic hedge]

Remove all furniture

Simple

[heady field]

run ended after I left the place, got swarmed in the middle of the road

[heady field]

what possibly caused this? my pc would crash lol

[obtuse moon]

I would if it leveled carpentry

[real fox]

when babies grow up they duplicate i think

[forest shore]

Yea it's a bug with animals turning into adults. There's a chance they just duplicate like crazy. It's pretty uncommon but it does happen sometimes.

[austere pewter]

I really like b42. It's pretty fun. The only thing that really annoys me about it is that the dragdowns are really delayed sometimes. Like my character will be a zombie and then he'll start screaming 😭

But i'm having a lot of fun

[vague trench]

what has been your favorites things about 42?

[austere pewter]

Personally i like the combat changes. It feels a lot more balanced in my eyes

I cant just clear out the whole town by day 2.

I also really like that they revamped the zombie spawn locations.

no more country side hordes!!

I swear i'd visit the military base and i'll have a Louisville horde sitting in the trees waiting for me lol

I also like the addition of animals. Along with more armor!!

[vague trench]

yah same here i love that i feel like we have to really pick our fights now

[austere pewter]

Glad they added basements. I snagged like 4 baseball bats from the rosewood basement

[austere pewter]

It makes you feel a lot less powerful

Knowing that you cant just rip and tear through hordes, Rather you have to pick your fights and be carful

[vague trench]

yar for sure

eggactly!

[austere pewter]

in b41 i used to demolish hordes of over like 30 with the fire axe 😭

Since i had athletic i didn't get tired that much

[vague trench]

lmao jeeze , butter slicer

[austere pewter]

i have a save where i have like

i think 58 bags of chips

let me find it

[vague trench]

lol , that is a lot of chip

[proud moth]

People need to realise this is a survival game, not a zombie hunting game, i mean you can do that but its very risky, just wait until stealth gets fixed and avoid combat

[mossy tangle]

Most especially if you play on apocalypse, which literally says avoid combat lol

[austere pewter]

EXACTLYYYY!!

You aren't the main character. You're the zeds lunch people!!! You cant just kill all of them in two seconds

[mossy tangle]

They have a problem with not picking the hardest difficulty, because they are 1337, but then get annoyed that its hard. Just pick a lower one... or play DOOM?

[vague trench]

yah i recently had to turn muscle strain up a bit cause i play with stout and im trying to find like a middle ground because i felt like im like clearing too fast or something

[proud moth]

I would say muscle strain is a bit annoying, but in theory it works for making people play stealthily, that is except people turn it off on purpose.. and proceed to play recklessly

[lethal wolf]

zombies are ruining my zombie game homestead life, so I'm gonna kill every single fucking last one of them

[frozen wyvern]

Whats great about Zomboid is you can still be a zombie killing badass but it takes a lot of preperation and awareness

[vague trench]

yeah thats how i usually die just run and gunning it

[frozen wyvern]

Well i mean there are people who like playing as the Doom Slayer in Zomboid, thats why those options exisy

[native spear]

can you not refuel an empty propane torch in b42?

it wont let me

[lethal wolf]

need a mod for it if torch is completely empty

[proud moth]

For me its the crawling zombies, hate them, absolutely hate them especially on fences, you can melee directly at them and somehow your character misses the hit, next thing you know youre on the ground and the zomboids are eating you

[mossy tangle]

Yeah honestly I haven't even found it that hard even now. I started with 1 strength and fitness and now at 3 strength and 2 fitness and a sheet metal baseball bat im wrecking, just gotta take breaks time to time and keep weight down

[native spear]

okay thank you

[lethal wolf]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3388082481

[proud moth]

But why play project zomboid? Go play doom, thats the entire point of zomboid, its supposed to be a hardcore zombie survival game

[frozen wyvern]

Because they like playing project zomboid

Dont gatekeep

[lethal wolf]

Can you see your bunnies die from stress or via indirect violence and swear to avenge them by burning down Louisville in Doom?

[proud moth]

project zomboid isnt a niche nor an unpopular game, more than half of my steam friends have it, and i have all kinds of people from all parts of the world

[vague trench]

yah crawlers are scarier now or something i swear lol, i got bit by one and now i run if i see them and theres a group i have to kill

[frozen wyvern]

When the sandbox players change the sandbox settings to play the game the way they want:

[proud moth]

always been like that for me, those bastards just drag you down instantly, you have no chance to fight back, also their hit range is massive for some reason

[vague trench]

[mossy tangle]

I think its great how it is and all the difficulty settings are valid, people just have a hard time admitting that the hardest setting isn't what they want haha

[vague trench]

yea lol , theres some people that some of us will argue with on steam forums, i dont know why it makes them so mad but they get really upset if you tell them to use sandbox. I love sandbox its one of the best parts of teh game

[mighty cave]

when we will have the stable version

[vague trench]

like just change soemthing until a hotfix comes out or try different settings

[proud moth]

i dont even know what preset i use, i just use the default one and adjust the settings accordingly

[vague trench]

same i been trying to keep everything just default for unstable playing but i have like growing seasons off on this save cause i wanted to see the other crops

[vague trench]

prolly not for a while

[frozen wyvern]

In 3 days

[velvet egret]

sandbox settings? How dare you, Puppers!

[vague trench]

lol i wanted to see how putting that prelooted areas on insane would be if loot was on default

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah, you only get to play the game the way I decided it should be played!

[proud moth]

i think the only settings i adjust are reading speed, xp multiplier and vehicle condition, i put loot on insanely rare for the first time i launched b42, easy to say it was the most depressing run

[vague trench]

lol pz turns us into masochists

[proud moth]

the longer you play, the easier it gets so you have to change the settings in order to compensate for that

people who play sprinters only are truly insane though i remember i tried it lasted only like a week

[vague trench]

yeah i used to play with night sprinters , it was fun to try for a while, but i do a lot of standing in the middle of my base n stuff outside and endup getting bit ... tried it with them being able to open doors too and that was a no

[proud moth]

sprinters that can open doors is pure nightmare fuel

basically the only thing that saves you from sprinter is doors and walls

[vague trench]

yea lol i remember loading into my game and one ran in and opened the door and bit me and i turned it off after that lol

[flat phoenix]

Zeds that open doors are always fun.

[vague trench]

yah its fun playthroughs

definitely spicy lol

[proud moth]

regular zeds yes sprinters no thats just pure torture

reminds me of i am legend

having to close and lock all doors

[flat phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

How it be when sprinters open your doors

[proud moth]

i wonder what kind of modding potential grapple tech adds

[forest shore]

I have random navigation and sprinters. It is a lot of fun when a sprinter opens doors 😂

[vague trench]

no solicitors!!

wouldnt take it past that the bull is the one that murderd these moomers !!!

i opened it and it turned into that lol

[forest shore]

Oops lol

[vague trench]

it is now my emotional support can and ill carry it everywhere

[forest shore]

I found the recipe inthe files (recipes_cannedFood.txt for anyone curious) and the spacing makes me think it's a placeholder and was meant to be removed.

I literally mean the spacing in the code btw. You can see how the formatting is on the top recipe (for opening water ration cans) vs the unlabled can recipe.

Ohhhh there's a remove result item. I bet a bit of lua was supposed to kick in, remove the unlabled can, and replace it with a random actual food item. Are you using any mods?

[frozen wyvern]

I think its a vanilla issur

[forest shore]

Very likely is - I haven't tried opening mystery cans myself.

Okay side track for a moment - the fact there's a folder labled NPCs in the Lua directory has me so excited. Like I know it's just the basic AI for animals - but that has me SO EXCITED

[frozen wyvern]

Its pretty exciting for the future!

I just hope we can create a streamlined way to add entities to the game...

[fierce mountain]

Yeah its in vanilla

[vague trench]

these have things worth lookuing in now?

[forest shore]

Usually tools or materials

[vague trench]

noice

[opaque schooner]

Yes