Build 42 Unstable Out Now

[ornate laurel]

better to slaughter newborn males i'd say

[humble sail]

Yeah but if you wanted more eggs you could have multiple pens with 1 rooster in pen (with hutches in)

[spare breach]

i agree, it shouldnt be made with long sticks

[ornate laurel]

they'll take up valuable resources

[humble sail]

Im so excited to be able to have all sorts of different animals at my base 😄

[frozen wyvern]

Because as a smart and professional farmer i just shoved a bajillion chicks into 4 hutches in one pen without checking

[visual trail]

careful, if you have 2 hutches in the same animal zone, the chickens will use only one for roosting

[silk nova]

ill'make a suggestion post on the website

[visual trail]

if the hutch is full they will lay eggs on the ground not in the other hutch

[frozen wyvern]

Hmmmm

[visual trail]

and this is a bug

because I've closed door on the other and they still sleep outside

they don't recognize the other structure as a hutch I guess

[frozen wyvern]

Theyre very particular

[visual trail]

I've reported this

[ornate laurel]

i feel Chickens+Sheep are the best farming combo

sheep give Wool for tailoring and Milk which can become butter
while Chickens give Eggs for constant Hunger moodle management

[visual trail]

Also if hutch dirtiness > 50 % chickens get sick and the rate that dirtiness grows is unrealistic atm

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah gotta clean hutches like every day lol

[visual trail]

I have reported this as well, can't leave the house for 1-2 days because of this

[tired hill]

Dude we have like 40+ chickens IRL and we wait months between cleanings. Even then we just use like a shovel and pitchfork, not a mop and bucket xp

[visual trail]

all animals are meta and much needed now

with chickens I keep my crops healthy and free from slugs

[ornate laurel]

oooh Chickens eat slugs?

[visual trail]

they don't stomp on them, the droppings are good for fertilizers and same goes for all dungs cows, sheep, pigs

[ornate laurel]

do they also take care of flies or nah?

[visual trail]

no, you need treatment

[ornate laurel]

AKA, colelct cigarettes

Smoker mains keep taking Ls lmao

[gleaming perch]

same with crude stone axes

[visual trail]

ah another bug to report

[gleaming perch]

Yeah

[ornate laurel]

i think chopping trees staright up doesn't reduce axe condition?

[gleaming perch]

Yeah thats what I meant

I would report it myself but im currently only on my phone

[visual trail]

no, I have chopped a huge forest with one hatchet

just like new after that

[forest shore]

Here's hoping we can make gunpowder from chicken poop.

[drifting shell]

Basement expansion mod just released. Hell yeah

[spare breach]

basements just released officially and these mfs already want more

[edgy blade]

Does anyone have any tips for how to deal with 5 zombies early game before I just quit and turn muscle strain off

[rich shuttle]

Correct

[rich shuttle]

Spam Q, circle around them and lead them away

[edgy blade]

They don't un-lock from me

[rich shuttle]

Or pick em off one by one, 5 isn’t a ton

[edgy blade]

I lead them around buildings, trees, everything just like in b41 and it's just not working

Their randomized memory is so annoying

[gleaming perch]

link?

[rich shuttle]

Have you been breaking LOS and stuff?

[edgy blade]

what is LOS?

[gleaming perch]

line if sight

[rich shuttle]

Line of sight, also yeah I somewhat agree on the memory thing

[edgy blade]

yes around multiple corners

But that's not really my biggest concern
How do you ever train your weapon if you can never use a weapon because of muscle strain

[ornate laurel]

You need to stand still for a couple seconds to drop aggro

Unintuitive but it'll work

[rich shuttle]

If they keep chasing, the best solution would be to bait them over a fence or through a window to get hopefully a one stomp/shot kill to minimize exhaustion

[edgy blade]

I know, and I do that, and it doesn't work

[edgy blade]

That tends to be really glitchy from my b41 experience
Also if that's the method when multiplayer comes back it will be impossible with high ping

[spare breach]

its not that bad calm down
theyve already buffed it
and if that is not enough, go to sandbox settings and make the multiplier even lower. Mine's at like 0.5

[rich shuttle]

I usually alternate stomping and hitting with a weapon to spread it out. I’ve been able to kill like 30+ zombies in a day with fence and window baiting

[edgy blade]

The issue is I'm trying to learn how to play with all of this new stuff because I'm gonna need to know in the far future whenever multiplayer is added back

[rich shuttle]

I’ve found that waiting a split second after they hit the ground to swing makes the hit connect most of the time. Swinging immediately makes you potentially not register the hit

[edgy blade]

So I usually have 500 ping on a good server
Normally you don't notice high ping in Zomboid, because well, it's zomboid... But fenses were always very inconsistent with high ping. I'll literally be 5+ tiles away from a fence on my screen and I'll randomly trip because a zombie that JUST vaulted over registered me as being beside it even though I wasn't, etc. It's worse the more zombies there are

[rich shuttle]

Ohh you’re playing on multiplayer?

[edgy blade]

I did still used to use fenses anyway, but that's how a lot of my 5K day+ runs ended sadly

No, I'm talking about the future. Relying on fenses isn't that great

[rich shuttle]

I see

If fighting truly isn’t an option, kiting is king if there’s a lot of zombies

[edgy blade]

So

[rich shuttle]

Even with shamblers or some sprinters, it works fairly well

[drifting shell]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3392001801

[edgy blade]

Earlier yesterday I got grabbed through my pushing animation twice in a row, so kiting is bad now too lmao

[drifting shell]

I haven't tested it yet but I'm looking forward to it

[rich shuttle]

You don’t need to push the zombies back to kite them, just walk in circle around em usually works

Unless they lag grab you though

[edgy blade]

Won't that clump them up and make it more dangerous though? I don't think i get what u mean

[glacial haven]

Surprised I haven't seen any new animal mods or ports of the dog/horses to the new system

[rich shuttle]

Clumping em up is the goal, cause then you can lead the horde away into an unimportant location and you can loot whatever you need to freely. Leading em through a lot of trees and behind fences usually does the trick

[ornate laurel]

Clumps them up so easier to dodge/lose them

[edgy blade]

that's not what kiting means
Kiting is hitting the enemy, then running away to dodge their attacks, repeat

[rich shuttle]

Nvm I mixed up the definitions then lol

[edgy blade]

lol

[drifting shell]

I think they'll arrive eventually but it'll probably be a few months. Plus people might be waiting for Stable to arrive first

[rich shuttle]

But ye, like in Muldraugh I spawned in the two story house area, spammed Q, walked down the street and looped through the woods back and a ton of the zombies got cleared

[edgy blade]

b42 just dropped a couple days ago yknow
Most mods haven't even updated yet. only the simple ones

[rich shuttle]

They trickled back enough that even with 5 strength 4 fitness I could deal with exhaustion fairly nicely

[rich shuttle]

I’m hoping someone can mod predators so that living in the woods could be a lot more dangerous

[vague trench]

1 month char dying to a copperhead

[glacial haven]

oh really? here I was thinking it dropped today

[edgy blade]

🤔

[glacial haven]

yea that'd be cool, seems to be a pretty common request

[turbid gorge]

rosewood school was literally basically empty of zombies thank god

[edgy blade]

I know a bit about mod development, and adding proper dog and animal mods would be one of the harder ones. That is, if they actually wanted to make it decent

[turbid gorge]

tho an unfortunate thing is now skill books are WAY HARDER TO GET because of all the novels and bullshit

[spare breach]

i wouldnt want to be at school in the middle of a outbreak either

makes sense you have zombie hordes at gun stores or gas stations but not schools

atleast i didnt

[turbid gorge]

ngl id expect the towns to have like

not a lot of zombies because so many people tried running away. like significantly less zombies than their original population

as zombies first started going around killing people there'd be an exodus

[spare breach]

its already much better than in B41 i think

you have tons of zombies on the main road or in large places of interest

[turbid gorge]

def at least the zombies arent uniformly smattered about everywhere

[edgy blade]

Bro it's not just skill books that're more rare. I've been to 3 fire departments now and there were 0 axes total

[spare breach]

but for example in the residential areas there isnt a whole lot

[turbid gorge]

is muldraughs main road still crowded for literally no reason

[turbid gorge]

YES ROSEWOOD FIRE STATION HAD 0 AXES it had fucking jewlery where the axes should have been

what in tarnation did they do

[edgy blade]

Yeah it's kinda trash
I'm just out here tryna figure out how to play all over again and I can't even get a decent weapon to help

[spare breach]

brooo mine had 2 axes and a few crowbars

inconsistent ahh loot

[edgy blade]

How the hell are NEW PLAYERS gonna get into this game when new players were already struggling before b42

[spare breach]

no one's saying it will stay like this on release

[turbid gorge]

like the loot at least needs to make sense

you know how many axes would REALLY be at a fire station? Easily dozens to like 30-50

[spare breach]

too easy

[edgy blade]

Well my issue is the muscle strain. I don't think it should be a thing at all, but the very fact that it's being tested right now at all means it will stay

[spare breach]

I like the idea

[turbid gorge]

i turned it off

[edgy blade]

Like, game devs never remove features like that even if they're bad

[turbid gorge]

muscle strain should be delayed like it is with exercise

[edgy blade]

Yeah but there's gotta be a lotta people who keep it on, so joining multiplayer works is gonna be annoying af

[turbid gorge]

it should kick in hours later not mid-combat

[spare breach]

I like the idea of muscle strain but it's not involved/doesnt work that well with other mechanics yet, such as fitness/strenght/weapon skills

and by default it may be too high, but thats why we have the multiplier setting for it

[turbid gorge]

you get the power to deal with like 8 zombies, and the game sends 50 at you

also decent weapons are sparse af

[edgy blade]

yeah i agree

[spare breach]

strenght 7 fitness 5 character, muscle strain multiplier is at 0.5 and i can deal with 1-2 dozen

i worry more about the exhaustion moodle than muscle strain

[turbid gorge]

oh

im doing fine now

[spare breach]

but i do get very sore leggies after doing squats for 20 mins every evening

[turbid gorge]

how tf am i gonna get feed for these things tho

[spare breach]

a scythe

[turbid gorge]

how do you get grass clippings or whatever? i only have what i found at farm

[ancient dagger]

Imagine if they later on add mountains to the game.

[turbid gorge]

they need to add a lawnmower

[spare breach]

good luck with that haha,

[vague trench]

i think someone made some elevated map but i think it looks weird lol

[spare breach]

i dont care much for mountains and other terrain stuff like that, it seems very incompatible with the isometric nature of the game

[turbid gorge]

highly impossible

[spare breach]

even if it is possible, why would i want mountains? All it's gonna be is extra obstacles i have to consider

[vague trench]

the land generation or whatever how some of the woods look with the different styles of coloration and stuff look great though

[turbid gorge]

this game already runs on a decades worth of JAVA spaghetti code

[vague trench]

like i think over by ekron it was

[ancient dagger]

Would make the environment more realistic and perhaps add skies / winter survival challanges to the game.

But just an idea/suggesiton after all.

[turbid gorge]

remember they turned THIS GAME into THIS GAME

zomboid literally became its own sequel

[blazing coral]

unless it's a factorio/AoE2 like illusion

[edgy blade]

I just hope they don't ruin my favorite game when this unstable officially released 😔

[rich shuttle]

The 23th of February 🥰

First build looked like a weird mobile game honestly

[vague trench]

does anyone know if cows will respawn in fields you have seen dead ones in?

i only find bullshits lol

[turbid gorge]

ive been playing the game since those days

i first played zomboid when it was in kate and baldspot days in 2012

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[steep phoenix]

How to attach a barrel to a sink in 42 b?

[bleak gyro]

its broken right now

[edgy blade]

Oh my god even herding zombies is a CHORE because of how slow they are
This is so unplayable in every single aspect 😭

[steep phoenix]

I understand, thanks for the help.

[bleak gyro]

not unplayable, just requires some adaptation

[edgy blade]

I don't wanna spend 20 minutes trying to lead all these zombies out of an area if half of them aren't even gonna follow me

[bleak gyro]

and if u dont like the shamblers, turn it off. its a sandbox game

and if u wanna change them in the middle of a run, launch the game in debug

[edgy blade]

but why are we relying on settings so much
there weren't any annoying features that required u to turn them off in b41

that's not a good thing. period

In b41 people would just turn on or off multi-hit, or zombie respawns

both of which i didnt care either way

[bleak gyro]

its a sandbox, they have a entire preset called "custom sandbox" where u can tweak every setting. indie stone didnt make apocalypse and survivor presets to be the most relied on, they just gave a few already made presets for the people who didnt wanna modify settings

sorry if im yapping a bit, trying to get back on indie stone's good side

[edgy blade]

i dont wanna play the custom sandbox though
and most people dont usually play that ether sadly

[turbid gorge]

sooo we cant wash clothes and body from rain collectors anymore?

[bleak gyro]

everyone plays sandbox (mostly)

sandbox lets u adjust to ur liking, want less zombies? easy. want more loot? easy. turn on multihit? easy

[static heart]

there are no annoying features, there are just players who don't want to change their habits

[vague trench]

think the only skies we getting is the reflection in the dinwos lol

windows lol wth

[edgy blade]

Every multiplayer server or group ive played with literally only every touched 3 settings: loot spawns (to make things more rare), multi-hit for convenience, and respawn, like i said

and ive literally played with hundreds of people

[bleak gyro]

agreed. im not a huge fan of the randomized zombies in apocalypse preset cuz in b41 i liked apocalypse a bit cuz it felt like the "right way" to play zomboid, but after b42 i realized it doesnt rly matter and its a sandbox and i can play however tf i want

[static heart]

exactly

[bleak gyro]

changing the zombies to be more randomized in apocalypse felt a little unneccessary, but so what lol, just adjust it in sandbox

[edgy blade]

I'm trying to right now
Someone suggested just lead zombies away instead of killing them in b41 because you can't do that in b42 anymore
But leading zombies away is wrose now too, so there aren't really any options. there are no other ways to deal with things aside from maybe a car????

[static heart]

Apocalypse is apocalypse, the way tis want it to be, if you want to change the settings they offered you the opportunity

[edgy blade]

Cars are actually more deadly in b42 for some reason. they 1 tap zombies easily rn

[bleak gyro]

pretty sure its glitched right now

[turbid gorge]

i shit a brick when i first saw it was random because i thought that meant there'd be sprinters

[vague trench]

the chevelair fart is so fast lol

[bleak gyro]

lol thankfully they made sprinter chance its own setting

[static heart]

You can sneak, rush a store and get out quickly

[vague trench]

its scary i have to like use cruise control so i dont crash

[turbid gorge]

it shouldn't be a glitch tbh a car will fuck a human up and make them inoperable very easily

[bleak gyro]

yeah but at 10mph?

[turbid gorge]

just because your brain might not be anihilated doesnt mean the zombie will be functional anymore

[edgy blade]

sneaking is inconsistent now thanks to randomized zombies. they can see you from across the screen (sometimes farther than I can see fully zoomed out) even while you're crouching next to a wall, so no LOL

[turbid gorge]

if its neck breaks the zombie is gonna uselessly be laying in the road staring up at the sun forever

[bleak gyro]

immobile zombies would be cool

[turbid gorge]

yeah id kinda dig that

[edgy blade]

yeah slow moving cars shouldn't be insta-killing zombies unless you're running over their head or something crazy

[turbid gorge]

i wish the shooting system actually went the direction they had planned with locational damage, as in like your crosshair pointer would literally determine where your bullet landed on a body

[edgy blade]

Once again though I don't wanna be forced into a playstyle that forces me to use cars anyway, so that's also bad
Where is the varity :(

[turbid gorge]

so like clicking on zombies heads headshots them and bodies body shot, you could shoot their legs for isntance to cripple them

[bleak gyro]

im trying to find a good balance of zeds between normal and low, normal felt unneccesarrily high in towns, and with low ive only killed 200 zeds in 12 days

[turbid gorge]

id also generally kinda both nerf shotguns but therefore buff the rest of guns with that accuracy system

shotguns should only be multi-killing tightly bunched zombies in a row

[bleak gyro]

is randomized wilderness in b42 yet? i havent seen it just yet

[edgy blade]

Actually fun fact, usually people don't die when they're hit by a fast moving car because of the way the hood is shaped. All that force usually hits their legs, which isn't deadly on its own. But if we were talking about something bigger, like a truck, all that hood force is higher up and would strike them in the torso, which is very deadly

[turbid gorge]

which is why car companies are making all these gigantic monster trucks that make children literally explode when impacted

[edgy blade]

mhm

[quasi dawn]

During the New Year holidays, I really wanted to play in the PZ with my friends (for 8 people), but we do not know when the stable version will be released, do you have any guesses about the release date?

[turbid gorge]

they had to pump up their rookie numbers of children murdered to keep up with the firearm manufacturers

[hasty dagger]

probably six months or so

[edgy blade]

But no, the reason people buy trucks and stuff is because "people feel unsafe driving a normal, small car" because if they crash they're move likely to get killed themselves. So they buy trucks.

[bleak gyro]

few months, like b41

[quasi dawn]

ohhh

[bleak gyro]

i do hope multiplayer is out somewhat soon though, before summer break is over for my friends

[edgy blade]

nah there's too many bugs and inbalances rn

Even holding books while sitting in a chair is glitched. Lots of work to do

[soft viper]

It should be faster than it was in B41

For multiplayer unstable*

[edgy blade]

I dunno. I'd like to think they'd focus on balancing things before they add multiplayer?

[stiff finch]

oi sorry, i cannot find the lab or new place, could you pehaps guide me? :<

[bleak gyro]

WOAH THE WHISTLES WORK IN B42

[soft viper]

It's mostly just bugs rn and some tweaks

[quasi dawn]

There will be an unstable multiplayer?

[bleak gyro]

if u equip a whistle as ur primary and press q, u actually use the whistle. thats sick

[soft viper]

Granted some of these bugs are game breaking

[edgy blade]

there's a lot of people upset with muscle strain (not just me i swear lmao)

[bleak gyro]

possible, i dont remember if b41 had unstable mp or not

i dont think so, though.

[soft viper]

That's been patched by a reduction to 0.6 of its original value, no?

[quasi dawn]

thanks for the answer

[edgy blade]

I have no idea
I haven't noticed any difference playing tbh

[left kindle]

how long did b41 take to get out of unstable?

[soft viper]

It's much less now

[edgy blade]

i still cant fight 5 zombies without getting max muscle strain :(

like that dude said earlier "gives me the capability to deal with 5 zombies, sends 50 at me"

[soft viper]

You get like at worst normal muscle strain from that

Are you just pushing zombies infinitely

[edgy blade]

are you just relying on fences?

[wet timber]

Lab is under military facility in the upper left corner of your screenshot, and the new place is not added yet

[bleak gyro]

hate to be that guy but i hope sling sheet bags are nerfed, far too easy to get a bag with 12 capacity literally everytime

[soft viper]

Weapons

[edgy blade]

i cant use any weapons that's what's killing me every time

[soft viper]

Fences are good but straight up pipes and bats

[edgy blade]

I got a pipe and it'll have my character exhausted and strained in less than a minute

[soft viper]

I get minor muscle strain from fighting 5 zombies at once, then you rest for like 30 seconds irl and suddenly you're good

[bleak gyro]

[soft viper]

That's a skill issue at that point

[edgy blade]

I don't even understand how it's possible

[soft viper]

Do you start with 1 fitness and strength or sumn

[bleak gyro]

is the not getting xp from woodcraft above lvl 3 a feature or a glitch

[left kindle]

have you ever swung a pipe around? it's a quite heavy sir

[edgy blade]

some runs yes, other runs no
I'm trying a lot of things. I just randomize traits and stuff, so every run is different

But even with high fitness and strenth it's not going well, even with a weapon

[soft viper]

Found it pretty light irl tbh

[quasi dawn]

йоу

[left kindle]

depends on the pipe

[edgy blade]

lead pipes r light

[left kindle]

the game is set in 1993, so they were probably a lot denser back then

[edgy blade]

Also is it just me, or is climbing out windows insanely inconsistent now too? Or janky, I guess
I know this is gonna get me killed someday

[wet timber]

Sooo, is it possible to have animal zones on the roof or underground?

[edgy blade]

Oh my god a character with low strength can't climb over a double fence 😭

[left kindle]

fences. zombies climb over fences, but they teleport back behind the fence

[edgy blade]

no im talking about the player jumping through windows, not zombies

im holding E and it does nothing

[chilly hawk]

any news about multiplayer in beta guys?

[left kindle]

yeah, the player is bugged too

[edgy blade]

breh

[gleaming perch]

true

[edgy blade]

me: trying literally every tip and method possible

[soft viper]

14cm in diameter so ig it should be light

It wasn't too long

[static heart]

I went to irvington, a lot of zombies, i get the items i wanted and i escaped

[gleaming perch]

No

[edgy blade]

yeah i just tried to get into the police station. not to get anything specific, i was just trying to lose the zombies like in b41, cuz they suck at following through buildings usually

let's just say it didn't go well
Imagine entering a building and you don't know where the exit is

[gleaming perch]

lol

[edgy blade]

im alive i just wish they'd stop following me for 2 seconds so i can actually go somewhere

[lethal wolf]

Wilderness life is harsh. Can't get fish easily and when I do, they're "too tiny to be sliced" and at best -7 hunger. At this point hunger is destroying me, and foraging barely yields any food...even roadkill rabbits are only -1 hunger because "poor cut" xD

[edgy blade]

I can think of a lot of buildings you could enter to try and "quickly loot", only to get trapped inside because they have no back exit or windows

[vivid kestrel]

I say zombie pop in general is making things interesting but I would understand zombies swarm some buildings for a reason but Rosewood's court... jeez. I thought I already cleared it 3 times (well, never bothered to confirm it by going inside but there are like 80 hordes or something)

[edgy blade]

Another issue is how loud using weapons is now too
You hit a zombie once and you'll get like 20 more trickling in after even if you weren't spotted

I'm in the middle of a GRASSY FIELD IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. WHERE DID THESE ZOMBIES COME FROM. THEY ONLY APPEARED WHEN I ATTACTED ONE 😭
I have a wife and kids please just leave me alone holy

[vivid kestrel]

I was already used to that by a certain mod that made even slight pistol sound spawn more zombies albeit limited thankfully. However, b42 concentration of zombies sometimes but not rarely definitely can top that.

[static heart]

Go in countryside dude @edgy blade

[edgy blade]

I AM

I just wanted to find a chicken farm and try some things out smh

I hope my surviver gets corpse sickness and dies for being so useless
Can't hit a couple zombies for gods sake it's not that hard

Vet my ass

[gleaming perch]

He has ptsd dont be mean

[edgy blade]

deserved the ptsd >:(

mission complete
zombies slain

time to shamble my way to a house and run into even more zombies along the way

[turbid gorge]

he deseres PRE traumatic stress disorder, The trauma is only getting started you little bitch

[edgy blade]

exactly

[vague trench]

guns are amazing!!!!

[edgy blade]

yeah i feel like guns might b the meta

[vague trench]

also rpetty cool how interior is like a mini silencer lol , sounds so cool

[vague trench]

yah , i never use them but this makes me want to get more

[edgy blade]

WHERE?!??!?!?!? I looked away for 2 seconds and this zombie appeared
This field was clear a second ago I dont understand smh

omg i stand up and it sees me im going mental rn. leave me alone 😭

[hallow adder]

If you have "no respawns" turned off, then it's likely a migration.

Or it just walked out of the trees nearby.

[vivid kestrel]

Migration isn't that fast. I think it is in order of half a day.

[hallow adder]

Yeah, so maybe the player didn't see it because of the new line of sight cones.

[edgy blade]

it's an open field and the only trees are up above me
and if i walked close enough to trees to drag that zombie out it would've followed me like the others I killed

On the bright side I think smoker isn't the meta trait anymore because you'll just randomly cough after smoking. I actually think that's a good change even though it lead to a lot of trouble

[normal python]

me when I finally start having fun then I get bit:

[vivid kestrel]

Nah, screw this court. Even if it is just a tiny fraction of what is alive. The fact there were hordes of all corpses you can see in the screenshot (heck even more, it felt like whole hallway was cramped by zombies, every time I step here), like 4 times the same size. Nah, I will just burn this court to the ground. It took so long to get rid of them every time...

[hallow adder]

Honestly, the true fun is turning off zombies, and just trying to survive with rare loots. I am still dying. It is that hard....

[soft viper]

Are you playing on normal settings?

[edgy blade]

yes

[soft viper]

Current default settings (apocalypse) has zombie hearing set to random

[edgy blade]

I know. All zombies r random

[soft viper]

Sometimes zombies can't hear for shit, other times they can hear you crumching a can of beans 3 miles away

[edgy blade]

I think im just insanely unlucky cuz most zombies have maxed senses for me

[soft viper]

But yeah guns aren't that loud

[hallow adder]

Only if you are firing in a rural area.

[edgy blade]

famous last words "guns aren't that loud"

[vivid kestrel]

Bats are also not that loud. somehow triggers all zombies in street

[hallow adder]

Your grunts aren't that loud as well. triggers zombies nearby

[soft viper]

Nah, surprisingly firing a handgun in the middle of the crossroad in rosewood only attracted those within the main street and the houses close to said crossroad

[unkempt atlas]

How do I refill the welding torch

[soft viper]

It's not too different from what we had in B41

[edgy blade]

Holding E now automatically sits you down on a chair????????
No wonder climbing out windows and stuff is so wonky now

[humble sail]

Im trying to make a roofed area for my rabbit pen, ive built some support rod things how do i add the roof?

[ornate laurel]

Need stairs to up a Z level

[gleaming perch]

propane tank

or propane bottle

[unkempt atlas]

The one from the BBQ doesn't seem to give the option

[humble sail]

I need level 6 carpentry just to stop my rabbits getting wet and soaked?? 😭

[gleaming perch]

propane bottle

[humble sail]

Wish i could make a rabbit hutch for them to sleep in or something

[ornate laurel]

Depending on how close you are to a nearby 2 story house you can make a "bridge" from it

[soft viper]

It moistens them for future cooking, what's so bad about that

[spare breach]

m o i s t

such a sloppy word

[stable pilot]

sloppy moist bolognaise

[vivid kestrel]

Is rain water a good sauce though?

[visual trail]

2 years

[soft viper]

We just need mp unstable

[humble sail]

I thought it was a requirement for keeping animals that they needed a roofed area

[spare breach]

I have a question about blacksmithing. Is there anyone who has already tried it that i could inquire to?

[soft viper]

You could also just...idk... unalive them

[humble sail]

Yeah the pens basically just outside it but ive no sledge yet

[humble sail]

I want to have them as a longer term food source

[soft viper]

Fridge

[humble sail]

Like a breeding line

[soft viper]

Freeze them

[humble sail]

I plan to, when i breed more of them

[soft viper]

Stuff them into little cryogenic chambers that you can fry when hungy

[edgy blade]

Finally, cat treats and a scratch ticket!!! what more could u ever ask for

[soft viper]

a cat

[edgy blade]

nahhhhhh that's too much work
I can barely survive myself

[soft viper]

Yeah but if you die the cat will eat you instead of the zombies, all part of the plan

[edgy blade]

im eating these my character is already depressive anyway

[spare breach]

if the disease doesnt affect animals then it wouldnt be out of the question to find a stray cat or dog in the streets

[vague trench]

can we give cat treat to chicken

[edgy blade]

yeah but pets arent being added for eons

I wish this was multiplayer rn so i could get some help in my struggles

[spare breach]

has anyone here tried some blacksmithing yet?

I believe you cannot find iron naturally as of now but you should still be able to smelt stuff

[scenic gazelle]

Exactly and the soul is still there
It didn't lose its identity

[gaunt zodiac]

Do I got to make shelter for animals without one? I think they got pretty stressed during a thunder storm and I'm assuming winter will also stress them out

[visual trail]

I have

And it's kinda showstopping atm because the furnace isn't smelting like how you'd expect it to do

[edgy blade]

Oh my god night time is so insanely dark i cannot see a zombie in front of me wtf
I can't for the life of me get the zombies to stop following me, and then night time set before I could get away, and I just automatically die because I cannot see

i been trying to lose these zombies the entire day and they just will not leave me alone no matter how many houses i duck around

[spare breach]

explain

[spare breach]

pro tip: reduce zombie pop

sorry but a lot of players play on insanely BS numbers lmao

[visual trail]

The primitive furnace has some items flagged as metal to be used as the source but when I add a spoon for instance it does not smelt it

[edgy blade]

how would that help
im on normal settings

[spare breach]

i play on lower than default zombie pop
i believe ive given them bad eyesight aswell

[spare breach]

that sucks, are there other items you can find that you can smelt though?

What im asking is whether blacksmithing is completely unusable rn or not

[edgy blade]

does every single player here not play on default settings lmao
is it really that bad

[visual trail]

yes but sometimes they work sometimes they disappear

[static heart]

i'm playing default settings

[spare breach]

no infact i see plenty of people playing on higher than default because theyre masochists

i remember my first time playing PZ, i had normal settings on everything and i spawned in muldraugh

it was nigh impossible to lose zombies chasing you there so almost ever since that moment, i play on lower bs settings

[edgy blade]

i can't even do the most basic things rn
im trying so hard to at least get started and it's not going well at all

I thought I nailed herding these janky randomized zombies away because I managed to clear out a huge area, but the 2nd time I tried it it didn't work

[spare breach]

darn thats terrible

atleast its not completely broken though. Can still smelt something. Do you have a growing list of what can and cannot be smelted?

[vague trench]

i play on default just vision changes , low respawn and saliva

their pinpoint hearing was flusterating lol let me hit this window in peace dambit

[static heart]

@spare breach

[edgy blade]

that's not default then lmao

[spare breach]

default isnt the most fair experience tbf

not that PZ is meant to be fair to begin with, but sometimes its way too frustrating when it doesnt have to be

[spare breach]

@static heart oky thats tons, thanks dude you're a godsend

[edgy blade]

idk why the unstable released if it's so unfair though
like i just dont think it's ready at all

[spare breach]

if at least 40% of those items can be smelted fine, i'll be alright

[static heart]

there a lot more @spare breach

[visual trail]

they can all be smelted

[vague trench]

because in b41 apocalypse is easy it needs testing thats the point of unstable

[spare breach]

its unstable, it will play unstably

[visual trail]

the problem is sometimes they work sometimes they don't at least that's what I noticed

[spare breach]

im not mad, its good to have released in untable so they can work on it

[vague trench]

you can only test soo much with closed and qa testers , more people brings more issues

[edgy blade]

but even just a few attempts to play it by the devs would've been more than good to realize "yo maybe we should tone this down a bit first"

[spare breach]

often i ask myself how come the devs didnt fix a specific issue already when it seems so very much obvious, but whatever

[edgy blade]

exactly

they're like "nah let's not test this ourselves before we ship. we'll make the players do it for us!!!!"

[spare breach]

moody af blacksmithing recipes 😂

thanks for telling me though, in the case that it behaves weird for me too, atleast i wont be caught offguard

easily my biggest problem with B42 is the animals (forced me to delete a game folder to reset my ingame animals and as a result killed my chickens (but otherwise my save wouldve been bricked because everytime i loaded it up, my game froze)
AND the not-very-flexible recipe requirements

[static heart]

@visual trail did you figure out where to craft this ****

[spare breach]

i.e. needing a SPADE for a recipe but not being able to use a shovel or a trowel in its place. What? Why?

[ornate laurel]

need to use a pottery wheel then fire it in a kiln

[vague trench]

do you mean like apoc default settings?

[static heart]

this one @ornate laurel

[edgy blade]

ye. that's just like what everyone uses. I mean, used to use

[spare breach]

how do you lvl up pottery from 0

[visual trail]

with carpentry you can craft a mold

[spare breach]

i havent looked my bad

[visual trail]

after that you need clay and pottery wheel

also a hand operated press to press clay into mold

advanced kiln > Fire !!

;))

[static heart]

the sandbag is a big problem imo

[spare breach]

find a sack, get a shovel, go find a sand tile

[vague trench]

Apocalypse is supposed to be their vision of how the game is to be played and that is why we get sandbox settings. I don't think that apoc is supposed to be easy whatsoever. Sure it can and will be balanced over time. But in 41 it was so easy that people just opted to use sandbox settings to make it harder because loot was so abundant and a bunch of other things.

[static heart]

the problem is, in a multiplayer server it will be like this wherever you go

[visual trail]

Pottery can be level up from 0 really easy I found, the workstations are easy to build and don't require too much mats

[spare breach]

correct

[static heart]

also you have to loot a sandbag...

[visual trail]

the clay is the problem

[edgy blade]

I think the issue is just how unplayable it's gonna be for new players.
Have u ever joined a server with new players in b41? They're already struggling to figure out how to play b41 even though it's not difficult, and most of them just quit the game because it's not obvious or they don't get it. But b42 makes this issue a milion times worse atm

[static heart]

well the clay is renewable at least

[edgy blade]

People noooormally quit games if they can't figure them out

[vague trench]

new players should NOT be playing apocalypse whatsoever lol

[visual trail]

yeah but you need to forage for it

[spare breach]

oh right, its a bag, not a sack
but i believe ive looted it empty and only had to fill it up

[edgy blade]

but they always do because the game presents it to you first. bad game design maybe?

[static heart]

bag, sandbag, whatever

[heavy crown]

So, I did a play using Fear of Blood.

I still didn't like how it ended up affecting some looting runs when I was aggressively clearing out an area.

H O W E V E R, In looking around for a new build setup, I found this from a moodle/trait explainer mod that updated to Build 42:

[static heart]

the point of crafting is to not have to depend on loot @spare breach

[heavy crown]

Fear of Blood + Brave seems veeeerrry workable if that actually does what's stated

[spare breach]

it turns into a bag of sand once its filled up, a "sandbag"

[vague trench]

thats on them then there is clear descriptions on difficulties in the gameplay choices you can pick from and humans in nature are curious and i think they will pick whatever and learn from those first experiences what gameplay scenario they should pick or not

[static heart]

yep but you still have to get the bag @spare breach

it's not that easy, particulary in multiplayer

[spare breach]

that's my biggest gripe with the current crafting. Too many recipes depend on very few specific tools and things you wouldnt be able to make from scratch

[visual trail]

You can use the sheet to craft a bag and use it to collect sand

[static heart]

that's why sand is a bottleneck imo

[spare breach]

have you tested this

will the recipe work?

[flat phoenix]

We gotta remember that the crafting isn’t finished yet. They’ll update it, add more and fix any recipes that need it.

[visual trail]

I got a sandbag in the inventory

[spare breach]

they better work very hard on it in the following few months then

[visual trail]

but I hope the stations recognize it

[edgy blade]

No that's like, most players in every game ever. To make a game u need some understanding of how players will perceive your game. That's just 1 aspect of game design. Take, for example, how most players will understand that the green/red bar in games usually means their health. That's game design. if you made a health bar purple or something random most players might not understand that it means "health" because of the way players understand "health" from most other games

[spare breach]

when i first started playing i knew apocalypse is harder. It tells you

[static heart]

really, i tried, it didn't work

[edgy blade]

I sure didn't

[visual trail]

Well that sucks

[edgy blade]

It just says it's the basic survival experience

[visual trail]

wait what ? gathering the sand ?

[edgy blade]

what the game is meant to be, etc

[vague trench]

I dunno , i want apoc to be hard and a challenge and right now in 41 its not. I have to change loot rarity to insane and on apoc right now i dont have to do that

[honest nexus]

yeah apoc blatantly says that death is frequent and hard to avoid

[static heart]

ye

[visual trail]

I have succeeded lmao

[spare breach]

yeah, and the base game is meant to be hard

[flat phoenix]

I’m sure they will, but I’d like them to not rush it. They’ll fix a lot of the existing issues before they release mp

[static heart]

are u talking about this one ? @visual trail

[edgy blade]

It also doesn't tell you that Rosewood is the easiest town to spawn in, so people would just randomly pick a spawn and end up somewhere way harder in b41

[visual trail]

?

[humble sail]

Fortified base 🙂

[spare breach]

Not a fan of games creating metas so im kinda glad they didnt. I had to find out on my own

[edgy blade]

like b41 isn't even hard if u spawn somewhere chill. but a lot of first time players spawned in mauldraugh or West point and regretted it lmao

[spare breach]

Then again everyones different

[visual trail]

yes lol

[humble sail]

So apparently lacerations infect you, didnt know that

[heavy crown]

They can, if from zombies, under default settings

[static heart]

i can just pick up dung

[honest nexus]

25% chance laceration, 7% scratch from zeds. (correct me if wrong)

[humble sail]

Survived near death after a neck deep scratch just to die the next day 🥲

[heavy crown]

Those sound right

[visual trail]

do you have a shovel in the inventory ?

[spare breach]

look at the screenshot

[static heart]

thanks

[static heart]

yep

[vague trench]

I think that is one of the funnest parts about this game is that it doesnt hold your hand like a lot of games do. And now a days with discord a lot of new players seem to join it and ask for help which i think is smarter than using any online guide or wiki. Like in b42 right now its been an experience going to old places like riverside and just getting wrecked in some areas lol but its been really FUN because those places never had any zombies there and it was quite boring

[ornate laurel]

got a goddamned M16 from the (old) westernmost gun store (using 1.0 ranged weapons and ammo loot settings tho)

[spare breach]

mf i want those smithing magazines

gimme, they're mine now

[ornate laurel]

also have Litature and Bags to 1.0

[visual trail]

I don't know what's wrong then

any errors in the console window ?

[static heart]

no

[visual trail]

very strange

[humble sail]

Ok getting tired of echo, any beginner location suggestions 🙂

[static heart]

maybe you had a bag for sandbags in your inventory lul @visual trail

[visual trail]

I'm gonna check this out cauz it's weird

I clearly remember using that bag

cauz I didn't find any sacks when I was checking out pottery

[spare breach]

rosewood :)
i usually never go for anything else

old but gold, cozy location

[humble sail]

I see rosewood has a gated comunity, im using an online map to scout potential base locations, is that quite an infested area orrr?

[heavy crown]

Tbqh I think most gripes about B42 on standard Apocalypse settings so far tie back to the skill system. That needs a ground-level rework with traits/occupations and other factors to make everything more enjoyable.

[humble sail]

Love having tall fenced surrounded homes makes me feel a lot safer lol, im just not great at fighting big groups yet

Other than molotoving them ofc, but i have bad luck at finding liqour xd

[spare breach]

my run in B42 hasnt lead me to there yet, but im nearby. Planning to go there soon. I have lower zombie population but its mainly the big road in the middle thats infested, the gated community itself didnt seem to have many

[ornate laurel]

it's honestly one of the worst Gated Communities because it has 2 entrances not 1, and also lacks a lot of space to keep out of sight and out of earshot of the zombies

[humble sail]

Ahh okay thank you both ❤️

[ornate laurel]

i tried making a base there once but got overrun one day and swore off it

[spare breach]

(i know this because i was taking my black van down the main road as i was going on a 1-2 day long trip to the historical coalfield near brandenburg

(found a lot of cool stuff there but sadly no blacksmithing apparatuses)

[humble sail]

[ornate laurel]

granted i don't know what B42 did to the zombie population there

[spare breach]

my base is here, on the outskrits

i've cleared 80% of rosewood by now, its mostly the places near the main road i havent visited

[ornate laurel]

so it might be better but B41 those woods were infested with the dead and they could come out to play at a moments notice

[spare breach]

the gas station is swarmed so i had to go for the one at the bottom

that one was considerably less dangerous to go to

the fire station had like 100 zombies for me

low population so it couldve been much worse, but i killed them in the span of a few days

[ornate parcel]

Do we know when MP

[spare breach]

its nice how zombies are mostly concentrated around popular and important areas though

[velvet egret]

no

[spare breach]

No.

[ornate parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-fast-speed-meme-caption-dank-meme-gif-21054216

[humble sail]

Ive been trying out apocalypse settings lol its not quite for me so i might go sandbox, turn pop to low and disable respawns as well as decrease the muscle strain a lil bit

[spare breach]

i always have respawns off, it feels rewarding to finally have a entire area cleared for good

[humble sail]

Im debating riverside, that gated comunity is also tall fenced and i can actually see past them lol

[spare breach]

my population is slightly lower than default and also infection only travels through bites

[humble sail]

Frrrr, like migration ontop of respawns feels a lil bit much for me imo

[humble sail]

After my most recent death, debating that too

[spare breach]

The medical system (as weird as it is) is pretty much pointless if you die from a single scratch

[humble sail]

Yup

[spare breach]

besides, i do like some small room for having mistakes happen

[humble sail]

Yeah same here

[spare breach]

got scratched and lacerated a few times

it can cripple you real bad in terms of combat performance

[humble sail]

Is it cheesy if i enable zombies crawling under cars to crawlers only 😅 cba with carpentry sometimes i can never find nails

Yeah i got a shoulder/arm laceration it slows you a good honest bit

[velvet egret]

no right or wrong sandbox settings as long as it’s fun and fair to you

[spare breach]

you wont often have functional cars you can move to be used as barricades to begin with

[humble sail]

good point

[spare breach]

but its your preference
i think my setting for it is that normal zombs can crawl under, but very rarely

[humble sail]

Still debating seeing the carpentry requirements for a tall double fence gate 😅

[humble sail]

❤️

[spare breach]

Id pick carpentry anyway because its such a good skill to have

i have the DIY specialist profession with a blacksmithing knowledge perk

DIY specialist gives +2 to carpentry and 1 to maintenance, both of which you will need a lot

especially now, when a lot of improvised weaponry requires maintenance and carpentry

but the skill level requirements for it can be a bit crazy + you will need to read a magzine for lots of the recipes

it's not in a balanced state right now

[humble sail]

I think i might actually base up at this farm house, pleanty of room for animals, no big zombie amount and a short drive into riverside

[dry scaffold]

Just curious, is not being able to wash bandages in a sink intentional?

[humble sail]

Different pens which make my organisation side smile

Is roofed areas required for animal keeping? like ill probably try and incorporate it anyway else ill feel bad lol

[humble sail]

I hope not

[visual trail]

don't know but you can clean them with regular water bottles

[spare breach]

i recommend using a large container, the bigger the better

allows you to clean more bandages at once before having to manually refill the container

[visual trail]

for breeding

[spare breach]

because most likely you'll be washing a lot more than just 3 rags

[humble sail]

Gotcha, tyy

[spare breach]

animals need their privacy, literally 1984 smh

[visual trail]

also if the meta predator is enabled in sandbox you need a fenced area to protect them and roofed hangar or something

[spare breach]

yes

i think its only the fences thats required

[visual trail]

don't forget to close the hutch door as well

[dry scaffold]

How do I even start with animals, it seems so daunting

[visual trail]

for defense yes, but you will need to breed them sometime

[humble sail]

Thats only if i specifically enable it in sandbox right??

[visual trail]

try to find a working car and a animal trailer > go to farms > sheep and cows are easy upkeeps atm

[humble sail]

Is it safe to mix species in the same animal area, ie pigs and cows

[visual trail]

just build some feeding throughs

[visual trail]

yes they don't fight

[spare breach]

my dumbass thought that if i left the eggs inside the hutch for some time, then a chicken would hatch

[visual trail]

They didn't ?

[humble sail]

tyy

[spare breach]

idk how long it takes anyway
but my chickens all died soon after acquiring them due to a workaround i was doing to unbrick my save

so i never found out for sure

[visual trail]

ahh the chickens died...

[spare breach]

due to a workaround i was doing to unbrick my save
key part

[visual trail]

they need to roost in the hutch

I understand

[visual trail]

oh ok

[visual trail]

also on the top.left of the screen there is an icon, last I believe, that one opens up the animal zone

[edgy blade]

I would tell u all the nail locations if it was at all possible to GO to those locations in b42

[visual trail]

you will need to manually draw a zone for the animals to flag as their home

[gentle ravine]

Is there a way to rotate or disassemble chicken hutches?

[visual trail]

I have tried it but it seems to be stucked

can't move it can't rotate it

[desert citrus]

this is pretty funny i already reported it on the forums

[gentle ravine]

I built it thinking I could maybe rotate it with the furniture menu and now I think it's gonna be permanently stuck with the entrance against a wall

[visual trail]

you can open up the egg doors

they will use it as an entry point

[vague trench]

i keep thinking these are stirpper poles lol

[visual trail]

the sexy part of Zomboid, I like 😉

[gentle ravine]

@visual trail Do you think this is still usable?

I guess I can just leave it open and find out

[forest shore]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3392001801

Oh shoot my bad. Didn't realize I was reading old chat

[forest shore]

Near as I can tell chickens don't use the door they just kind of poof in and out of existance.

[gentle ravine]

Thats good to know. It hurts me to look at placed incorrectly, but if it still functions I won't bother building a second one.

It is a little unfortunate that my character has to walk outside of the fence to interact with it though

[forest shore]

On this - I always tow junk cars to act as barricades. Often ones I stripped/plan to strip for parts.

[vague trench]

can i copter see us in here lol?

[forest shore]

According to the wiki it can't see you in the forest. Just stay there for a few hours

[vague trench]

ok lol

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-mochimons-mochimon-kawaii-cute-gif-12056310807631487717

[edgy blade]

WHO SAID GUNS AREN'T LOUD
You're actually delusional I just tested it

[desert citrus]

roleplaying the vietnamese lmao

[forest shore]

https://tenor.com/view/lorax-mil-yardas-guerra-mirada-gif-13888453674091285794

[visual trail]

yeah nice setup there

[ornate laurel]

Adding on, if you do decide to go full "Grand Theft Livestock"

Be sure to get 1 Male and 2 Females. And ideally 1 of those females should be pregnant or have a baby (in which case also nab the baby)

Taking Sheep and Cow milk and turning it into Butter is the best way to secure long term Calories

Even better than B41 Fishing

[visual trail]

or you could use -debug, delete it and then spawn it a tile away from the fence

[visual trail]

yup but try leaving the egg doors open just for testing

[visual trail]

if the main door is closed chickens won't get out if they are inside

[forest shore]

That is correct - but I don't know if it matters if it is blocked

[keen gorge]

Aside from the new chokers for neck protection, I don't dig the new armor

[vague trench]

why for not?

[keen gorge]

Too heavy, too hot, and they slow you way down

Don't get hit is still the best strategy for B42

[visual trail]

that's what I was trying to find out with his situation

and that's why I've told him about the egg hatch doors

[gentle ravine]

This is a save I'm actually playing on so I'm not trying too hard to test, but I have opened both doors and played 2 in-game days. Still no eggs. Found one of my roosters dead (probably killed by the other).

Looks like none of the chickens have entered so far.

[frozen wyvern]

I have a feeling heavy armor would be better for pvp

[keen gorge]

I could see a case use for it for preplanned horde clearings

But eh, naked choker with military boots it is

[frozen wyvern]

Hell yeah

[edgy blade]

i love finding a safe house with no weapons inside :)
B42 is so fun

[vague trench]

imagine just making a base in the middle of a cornfield lol its SO SLOW

[spare breach]

you'd need to be clinically insane to do that

[vague trench]

lmao totttally going to try it when mp comes out , lets see my friends come in my sector then haha

[elder flax]

actually genius defense against z'ds tbh

[spare breach]

they'll still hear you

and you won't see them coming

[ornate parcel]

Fill it with traps

[spare breach]

what traps

[ornate laurel]

M*ds

[static heart]

@visual trail hey, have you tried the bag ?

[velvet egret]

[desert citrus]

top seller lesgoo

[vague trench]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pikachu-clap-clapping-clapping-gif-gif-3962014923707235210

[spare breach]

hell yeah

[visual trail]

nope not at computer atm

was researching this

XP gains boosted in B42 on all skills

and wanted to see if this stands so Im comparing b41 and 42 at the same time on two instances of the game to see if it holds up

[visual trail]

ooo nice dem sales ;)) next time we need to keep an eye out for future sales to predict the next major updates

[edgy blade]

I'm kinda depressed to think my best survivor so far is this red haired anime girl

[frozen wyvern]

Just found a magazine called 'Shorts Illustrated' lol

[slate sentinel]

You should let me know if it’s true

[vague trench]

lmao thats great

[frozen wyvern]

Im liking the direction of being able to loot a lot of what was previously considered 'junk' to melt into usable materials

[severe egret]

I doubled engine loudness in sandbox and even with normal hearing, zeds wont hear me driving past more than 8 tiles away at 30mph

Gonna have to play with this. What i really want is for zeds miles away to be able to hear it, but be less pinpoint about the position the further away they are

[frozen wyvern]

What hearing do you have zombies on?

[severe egret]

Normal

Other problem is memory. I want zeds to remember louder distant noises for longer than they remember seeing my character

[drifting thicket]

does the prision have anything new in b42? im clearing it out, just to see there is no gun spawn in the armory

[keen gorge]

My main gripe is scrap metal

I don't think there's a way to craft them

And there definitely should be. They're core to a lot of recipes

[frozen wyvern]

What uses scrap metal again?

[keen gorge]

Almost all the good welding stuff

[severe egret]

Anyone know if there is a mod that just disables Zeds ability to cheat and know where you are? I want them to have long memories and great hearing, but to only be able to navigate to where i was last seen or heard, and not be able to see me through walls

[frozen wyvern]

So you want them to have good hearing but also bad hearing?

[edgy blade]

why are there deer in my chicken coop bruh

[frozen wyvern]

I can't say zombies 'cheat', at least in my experience

[severe egret]

No i want them to have good hearing and no xray vision 😂

[frozen wyvern]

Then do that in the settings lul

[severe egret]

Its been proven. They do

[edgy blade]

zombies shouldn't be able to hear u through a solid brick wall obviously

[frozen wyvern]

Ohhh that haha

[keen gorge]

That's for B41

[edgy blade]

even humands cant do that unless you're loud

[severe egret]

There is no setting to turn off xray vision lul

[frozen wyvern]

Thats just kinda a problem with zombies entirely atm...

[keen gorge]

It seems like they're fairer at B42

[severe egret]

Sooo, where did they say this changed in b42?. Afaik it hasnt

[keen gorge]

Or maybe that's a consequence of functional stealth

[edgy blade]

definitely not if they can hear me when they're outside and im inside a sealed building eating chips

[frozen wyvern]

I agree that walls need to be way more soundproofed

But as of now I just think thats something we have to deal with before more substantial fixes come in

[severe egret]

https://youtu.be/9SPu-Ki3vPI?si=b9mIad0C28QOLG8y

This video shows how they essentially cheat

[frozen wyvern]

I just clear the perimeter of a house before looting it to deal with that

Never ever loot a house before checking the sides of it

[edgy blade]

u can't just go around killing every zombie around the house in b42 u dingus

[keen gorge]

Yeah I knew that. I just noticed they're easier to lose now than back then so maybe it needs a second look

[frozen wyvern]

Depends on where u are

In Muldraugh, yeah. In Lousiville, no

[edgy blade]

Echo Creek is easy mode though. so u could do that there. Any other town though? no

[frozen wyvern]

Well im doing it in Muld rn

[edgy kiln]

apocalypse has random zombie stats which is probably why

[frozen wyvern]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen gorge]

I'm thinking its a combo of random zeds and functioning stealth

[edgy blade]

max strength build goes sooooo craaaazy and soooooo fun to play over and over

[frozen wyvern]

Its almost like the game is built for a variety of different playstyles

[edgy blade]

yeah, playstyles that aren't urs

Anyway, cars are the meta now it seems
Let's go full weak traits and VROOM VROOM!!!! WHEEEEEE

[frozen wyvern]

Im just saying how I do it lol

[vague trench]

they have sonic hearing lol

[edgy blade]

me when i drop a cig on the floor and the whole neighborhood comes to kill me

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah default apoc settings are pretty rough

[vague trench]

yah i consider apoc default like challenge mode lol

[frozen wyvern]

Dropped a generator at a gas station after clearing it and turning it on had them coming from the woods

[edgy blade]

default settings disallow differing playstyles

[vague trench]

which is cool , i just changed their hearing to normal-poor to try that and see how it is for me .. so far its kind of easy but i think i like it for me personally

[keen gorge]

Sandbox with 10% sprinters

[edgy blade]

the game now really punishes you for suceeding now too. you kill like 20 zombies and your character is gonna get sick really quickly around all those bodies

[frozen wyvern]

I did the same, its certainly easier but I feel its more fair

[vague trench]

i dont mind the vision one but the hearing one was so annoying lol

i think i hit a door on accident once and a zomber from like 2 houses down heard it or something

like stahp im doing stuff n scrounge

[edgy blade]

i dont think zombies should be able to see you outside of your own sight range

[frozen wyvern]

No lol

[edgy blade]

when im fully zoomed out (not panning camera) zombies from OUTSIDE my screen's range can sometimes see me depending on their randomized sight

[vague trench]

well right now i have them on normal to poor for vision and i had one stand like pretty close to me and they couldnt see my and i was kind of annoyed they didnt see me lol and forgot i changed the setting

[keen gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-jones-morgan-twd-ftwd-walker-gif-19948483

[frozen wyvern]

Oh I thought you meant zombies you can't see in ur view cone shouldnt be able to see you haha

[vague trench]

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-going-to-die-desperate-harrison-ford-temple-of-doom-gif-17831980

[severe egret]

I want to be able to set it to pinpoint but i know that if i do that will make their xray vision intolerable

[frozen wyvern]

I mean I feel like thats the point of pinpoint hearing, its a challenge

[severe egret]

It would be a fair challenge.. if zeds couldnt also see through walls

[frozen wyvern]

Thats why it felt silly to have some zombies have it by default

[vague trench]

ya it is nice having the different walking speeds though , really helps with prioritizing certain zombers

[frozen wyvern]

They cant see thru walls they hear thru walls

Which is admittedly silly

[severe egret]

No mate. Watch the video i posted before

[keen gorge]

Maybe they go around house to house doing this

https://tenor.com/view/spying-scott-robinson-neighbours-glass-to-wall-gif-20992624

[edgy blade]

it literally just makes herding them a chore that takes 20mins+

[frozen wyvern]

I mean the design of the game is more slow paced, this update is contributing to that

[vague trench]

i like it gives me time to manage pain levels and fatigue

[edgy blade]

complete waste of my time
I like to play games when I actually play games, yknow

[severe egret]

While in pursuit, they just magically know where you are, regardless of sight and sound

[edgy blade]

im taking a car to every location to mow them down from now on

[frozen wyvern]

Then change the settings back to normal

The beauty of the sandbox

[edgy blade]

the settings are, in fact, on "normal"

[severe egret]

no setting turns this off

[frozen wyvern]

Im talking about movement speed

[edgy blade]

this guy kinda dumb fr

[vague trench]

???

[edgy blade]

Pad, not u lol

[vague trench]

i know but dont call people dumb when theyre just having a discussion

[broken marsh]

is long handle with nails the best weapon now?

[frozen wyvern]

Its really not worth arguing with them

[edgy blade]

he's not discussing anything he's just saying "nuh-uh" to everyone's points as if they aren't valid

[broken marsh]

as in good damage/reliability

[severe egret]

True, but still, be nice

[frozen wyvern]

I appreciate it but I have enough self confidence to not be crushed when somebody on the funny zombie game forum calls me dum

[edgy blade]

Game's not in a good state as is atm. Unstable needs a lot of work

The fact that almost everyone here (except 1 guy ig) has to change the settings to make the game bearable isn't a great sign when nobody had to do that in b41

[unborn thorn]

I haven't changed the settings yet >:(

[edgy blade]

YOU'RE THE SECOND GUY!!! WOOOOOH LET'S GO

[unborn thorn]

Granted I am the odd one out in the community because I only ever play Apocalypse difficulty

[edgy blade]

I mean same
I'm getting the hang of it, but it's def not fun

[edgy kiln]

i havent had to either lol

[frozen wyvern]

I mean I feel like the default settings being bad is a common consensus. I changed them. Its all a part of the unstable process

[pallid hinge]

I am also doing apoc, no changed settings

[edgy blade]

YESSSS STAND TOGETHER MEN
APOC GAMERS ONLY

[pallid hinge]

been having a pretty good time

[edgy kiln]

the only setting i ever change is respawns off

[unborn thorn]

My only real complaint with the new zombies so far is that hitting one with a melee weapon draws in half the town

[edgy blade]

i guess i wont count that since that's common in b41

[edgy blade]

yeah i hate that too

[pallid hinge]

in the future I will probably start doing 8x-16x runs with respawns off

but I like being able to give feedback on apoc cause it is baseline for devs

[frozen wyvern]

Isn't the normal zombie base pop umultiplier like .65 now? I feel like x16 is going to be a fucking NIGHTMARE lol

[pallid hinge]

that is what I strive for 🙂

[frozen wyvern]

Hell yeah

[severe egret]

Seriously though, they should stop using cheap tricks to make things work. Instead of zeds just magically knowing where you are during a pursuit (which gets worse the longer their memory is) they should cause a chain reaction and follow each other. If a zed can see a zed in pursuit, they pursue that zed. That's how you keep their navigation going once they've reached your last known location. Not by just telling them where we actually are if their memory is still running

[edgy blade]

Eh just spawn in echo creek, get loaded on guns, then unload on a horde somewhere else. guns are easier to use now. op

[frozen wyvern]

I feel like that would cause every zombie in a chain to follow you which feels worse, but I do get where youre going at

Zombie aggro does need tuning

[broken marsh]

So like ants

[severe egret]

Until the chain breaks, which happens quite easy once you get out of eye and earshoy

[edgy blade]

i think just not telling them where the players are if they can't see the player is good enough to solve this

[frozen wyvern]

In Louisville that would cause a hivemind situation haha

[severe egret]

Not really though cause then zeds become too dumb. They need to stir each other up. "Oh this guy sees food!? Follow him"

[frozen wyvern]

So... get rid of hearing?

[edgy blade]

why dont u understand anything about this topic. no. second time we've said no

[severe egret]

Omfg dude you still do not understand the mechanic. For the second time: Go watch the video i posted if you want to understand the discussion

[vague trench]

i wouldnt really count that video since its for build 41

[severe egret]

Possibly, but nothing has changed as far as i can tell

Only detection radius and rates

[keen gorge]

You don't really need to do the same B41 shenanigans to lose them now

That's what I observed

[vague trench]

there is a sealth system now though

and i noticed some of the way zombie pathfind to people is different

[frozen wyvern]

It certainly feels different

[severe egret]

Thats all to do with getting spotted afaik. Not so much pursuit behaviour

[gleaming perch]

Zombies high dif humans, just that simple

[unborn thorn]

They certainly hear you halfway across town

[gleaming perch]

if you dont like it, DEAL WITH IT.

[vague trench]

lol

[unborn thorn]

I am dealing with it!

[severe egret]

Really? I got hearing on normal and they cant hear me driving past from 8 tiles away lol

[frozen wyvern]

Well yeah, you changed it to normal

[severe egret]

Its on normal by default?

[frozen wyvern]

Nope

[vague trench]

no

[frozen wyvern]

Random between bad hearing and pinpoint hearing

[unborn thorn]

I kill one zombie with a melee weapon and I have zombies from the opposite side if a house on the other side of the street swarming me

[keen gorge]

Apocalyse randomizes speed and senses

[severe egret]

Yeah and random is no good for testing things lol.

[frozen wyvern]

[vague trench]

they could be testing those settings along with the new stealth system stuffs

[tranquil ravine]

I really enjoy the random senses myself, I keep being able to thin a pretty good medium size horde by getting the sharper ones to come my way

[severe egret]

I got no issues with detection rn. Only tracking

[unborn thorn]

I just think pinpoint hearing zombies spawn too often. Other than that I'm fine with the randomized zombies

[vague trench]

yah , i wish i could turn at least vision back to random instead random to poor

[frozen wyvern]

I think the random senses are great, but I think the setting of them being between 'bad and normal' is the real sweet spot

[tranquil ravine]

yea that might be good

[gleaming perch]

I like the random senses, but the random movement speed I absolutely hate

Like fast shamblers are the perfect default movement speed

[frozen wyvern]

Haha I can see that

[gleaming perch]

Slow shamblers mixed in is kinda lame for me

[vague trench]

i like the randomized speeds but i can see how the slow shamblers might annoy people lol

[main jay]

I find the random movement more visually appealing

[frozen wyvern]

I personally like the slow shamblers mixed in but its definently a preference

[vague trench]

sometimes im like waitin for this shuffling turd to come to me

[gleaming perch]

Yeah i think its rlly just preference

[main jay]

Like every zombie moving the exact same speed takes me out of it

[frozen wyvern]

Again thats why I love sandbox

[vague trench]

yah i really love it ill never change it , i just adapt to the slower shufflers

[frozen wyvern]

I don't really get when people argue with others who change the game to best fit their liking, thats the point :-)

[tranquil ravine]

maybe when you select 'random' - it could pop a slider to let you select what's in random.

[frozen wyvern]

That would be cool. More UI improvements to the sandbox setting are always welcome

[edgy blade]

Got a timeout for calling a zed smart
So unreal

[main jay]

They've already done a similar thing for sprinters, just add the option for the two other speeds now

[edgy kiln]

i like slow shamblers for making stuff more complicated tbh

it makes it harder to pied piper a horde away from where you want

[edgy blade]

Sprinters were originally meant to be "normal base settings" but everyone hated them so much they just removed them and made them an option you could turn on for a challenge

[civic drum]

has anyone figured out a way to power a basement yet?

[edgy kiln]

wait seriously lol i dont remember that

[frozen wyvern]

Its not possible atm

[gleaming perch]

Patches will fix it

[main jay]

That doesn't sound right, they've always said they wanted to stay away from "fast zombies"

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah I heard random sprinters were in base hame when they were added initially

[edgy blade]

they gave it a lil test

[gleaming perch]

tested but they wanted to keep a “romero” zombie type

[keen gorge]

There's a mod that fixes it in a roundabout way

[edgy blade]

I'm hoping the same thing will happen to muscle strain. Or hoping they at least change it to make more sense in a realistic setting

[gleaming perch]

hence why they dont have sprinters in default settings whatsoever

[civic drum]

Which one?

[frozen wyvern]

I like that random sprinters are now an option tho

Not my style but certainly good for challenge runs

[vague trench]

yah

[keen gorge]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3392001801

Excavated tiles are not considered indoors

[gleaming perch]

wym

[edgy blade]

I only like sprinters if they're night sprinters. Yknow that mod that makes them all run at u during nighttime
Makes me not wanna be outside at night

[gleaming perch]

So you want nighttime muscle strain

[edgy blade]

I mean muscle strain doesn't just set in after swinging a bat like 10 times
It sets in the next day like excursive fatigue. it's gradual, not sudden

There's nothing realistic about Zomboid's current muscle strain, so idk why people r like "they added it to be realistic"

[vague trench]

i dunno i notice im clearing a little too fast for my liking so i need to tinker with muscle strain, its too easy for me right now

[edgy blade]

at least make muscle strain realistic instead of annoying

[main jay]

I'm in the same boat

[gleaming perch]

I think they added in muscle strain like that to stop people from killing hordes in 1 go

[main jay]

They really over nerfed muscle strain, I was starting to enjoy being forced into more stealth

[edgy blade]

they failed because cars exist

[vague trench]

ysah same

[frozen wyvern]

I feel they over course corrected because so many people were upset with the change, like the artwork as well

[gleaming perch]

Artwork was suspicious lets be real here

[frozen wyvern]

I kinda agree

[vague trench]

they might have turned it down to let people play more of the game while xmas n stuff and theyll fine tune it laters

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah, bad balance should be expected with a beta buuld

[main jay]

I would love the artwork to be 3d renders of player models, like the pictures ingame

[unborn thorn]

Especially with first release

[frozen wyvern]

Theyve said it multiple times too

[gleaming perch]

Would be cool yeah

[edgy blade]

they toned it down cuz the community is so split on it
50/50. u either dont mind it or hate it

[vague trench]

yah thats why i havent really done much crafting , gonna wait for a couple hot fixes , so just been doing other things first

[flat phoenix]

It was fine as it was, just needed to turn the value down to 0.5ish

People just too lazy to look at sandbox settings 🤷🏻‍♂️

[main jay]

Also there was so much misinformation going around

[frozen wyvern]

Crafting seems fun but i cannot do it because you need so much damn clay 😆

[edgy blade]

Stop relying on settings. that's not a good thing

[main jay]

Like YouTubers straight up fearmongering

[vague trench]

yeah its just im not even getting it after killing like a lot of zombies now

[frozen wyvern]

Its a sandbox game. Why not use them?

[vague trench]

lmfao , youtube and reddit are two places of the community i just avoid at all costs

[edgy blade]

what's ur strngeth?
I just made a max strength build and it doesn't exist anymore

[gleaming perch]

Thought it was redditors?

[flat phoenix]

YouTube, Reddit and the steam forums. 💀

[vague trench]

is that why lol i picked stout on this char

[unborn thorn]

Is getting clay a problem? I haven't tried a lot of crafting yet

[frozen wyvern]

Lota of YouTubers were calling this update like Jesus's next coming when it is just a basic good update haha

[edgy blade]

yes the scaling on strength is stupid

[gleaming perch]

Ive been foraging the woods behind my house in Rosewood and Ive found LOTS of clay

Reckon we just forage for the stuff and get it tbh

[vague trench]

ahh i always pick stout , i think i did test for like 5 mins a char with no traits and i could kill ike 6 zombers no issues. ill have to make a new one and do some wandering around and see

[frozen wyvern]

Thata the problem with communities overhyping themselves, reality is often much less sexy than what is in our heads

[vague trench]

thats steam forums to a T lol

[gleaming perch]

The potential for this game and what they’ve set it up to be is massive, hence the overhype tbh

[edgy blade]

make a weak or average character and you'll understand how bad it is. basically unplayable

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah this update is great but i feel people were treating the beta release like the final release

[vague trench]

ew i aint picking weak LOL

[edgy blade]

man never wants to just randomize their traits to have fun

[vague trench]

that doesnt even sound fun lmfao, i did notice that negative traits are finally more negative even high thirst is thirstier lol

[gleaming perch]

Thats why I just click ‘Ignore’ on their discord profile

[frozen wyvern]

Haha

[gleaming perch]

Complaining is good for this game to become balanced but i dont wanna see people complaining over and over lol

[vague trench]

lmao bro i been playing since 2014 and i die ALLL THE TIME i just wanna collect rat turd

[edgy blade]

The only traits I think are bad-bad that ruin the fun is something like...
All thumbs, or clumsy

[gleaming perch]

damn unc 😭😭😭😭

[vague trench]

clumsy is fun , doesnt that make you trip more? lol

[frozen wyvern]

I just hope TIS is able to ween out the constructive criticism from some of the less than helpful people

[vague trench]

someone go paly clumsy and short sighted lol

[edgy blade]

yeah but if u have bad ping it can get u randomly killed in b41 multiplayer. idk about b42 i haven't used it yet

[main jay]

We shouldn't HAVE to worry about their mental health, but I've been following them for 10 years...

[severe egret]

Feels a bit too random though. Like most things in PZ tbh haha

[edgy blade]

All thumbs makes me wanna punch my survivor in the face. like wdym u require 1 minute to pick up a cigarate off the floor??????

[main jay]

It's tough to not feel bad for them imo

[frozen wyvern]

I do feel a bit bad for them. Theyre doing a great job making a product and being way more transparwnt about it than most, yet they get more backlash

[main jay]

Agreed

[frozen wyvern]

Its an interesting case study

[real fox]

When my character is more taken care of than me irl

[unborn thorn]

You don't understand the game needs to be absolutely perfect they need to stop breaking and start perfecting bro!!!!!!!11!!11

[main jay]

I can't imagine being in the headspace of bullying a group that has so much passion

[frozen wyvern]

ur so right bro

[main jay]

Lol

[vague trench]

yah , i feel sorry for a lot of games in dev and have to see review bombs and stuff of todays toxic internet bullshit

[ornate laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/eliott-open-season-run-over-shaw-open-season-2006-gif-5396656016299781008

[edgy blade]

The one thing I like the most about the PZ devs is how they give us devlogs and updates about their game.

But that's dangerous.

Other games typically don't give updates or insight on their games because fanbases go feral over it. They start giving backlash and hating on features that aren't even released. Or they set unrealistic standards and lash out if certain features they saw in testing aren't added

[real fox]

Yall have any good recipes now that we have access to animals for cooking

[unborn thorn]

Bro you don't get it bro all devices have triple A funding bro

[vague trench]

LOL my animals ingame

[frozen wyvern]

Meanwhile Bethesda still gets praised like kings for doing jack shit lol

Game industry is weird

[real fox]

I love being cucked by god Howard

[gleaming perch]

to be fair people kept holding out hope on unofficial release dates by devs themselves

[unborn thorn]

Fan boys will fan

[real fox]

Love me my Bethesda slop

[vague trench]

its wierd though because you will see people who dont even read the blogs and make up weird fairy tails up lol its a win lose situation when it comes to community

[frozen wyvern]

Really this entire dev cycle is a big lesson in managing hype

[real fox]

[edgy blade]

I mean that goes for anything, not even games lol
People r dum

[vague trench]

lmao i love bethesda games idc , their glitches are so funny

[gleaming perch]

true

[frozen wyvern]

Its ok to like Bethesda games ~~but i personally despise them lol ~~

[vague trench]

yeah the internet really is a gift and a fucking curse lol

[keen gorge]

Bethesda needs to update their old ass engine

[edgy blade]

and most people dont even know these things cuz they dont make games 😭

[real fox]

https://tenor.com/view/elder-scrolls-stop-you-violated-the-law-gif-21698958

[unborn thorn]

Too much money and effort

[real fox]

Morrowind was peak lore

[keen gorge]

This is how you get Starfield having Oblivion bugs

[frozen wyvern]

[unborn thorn]

I know, I was being a smartass

[main jay]

If they make enough money from this next release, i wouldn't blame them for going completely dark until their next update

[frozen wyvern]

You are right tho even tho they have essentially unlimited money they wont fix it 😭

[vague trench]

LOL "have you seen arman christophe?!" and hes right there lol

[frozen wyvern]

I can't say Id blame them either, but it would make me sad

[unborn thorn]

As long as they don't guilt trip the community by threatening to sell the ip. I understand not wanting to deal with a toxic group but saying "if you don't behave we'll sell" was a bit of a low blow

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah didnt like that

[keen gorge]

Imagine PZ under Ubisoft

[frozen wyvern]

Especially since I feel the vast majority of people who play PZ love it and the devs, and the assholes were just the most vocal

[unborn thorn]

"But muh mental health made me post it"

I understand mental health is a serious issue, but don't hide behind it like it's an excuse

[vague trench]

apparently you dont because imagine dealing with that part of the ungrateful community for 10 years, like im a frequent visitor on steam forums and i have seen people say some shitty shit that doesnt include the other bullshit people do outside of other platforms

[edgy blade]

how do u even get mental health issues if you're 1 cog in a machine for game development
Any hate isn't going directly toward you. it goes toward the game you're making. there's a barrier there

[main jay]

I respect Lemmy a lot as a creative, but I cringe so hard at some of his posts

[vague trench]

The thing is the community frequently voices their opinion on slow dev times, and are very harsh with the things they say and they allow that. Yet the one time when a dev does it people are even more dickish about it

[unborn thorn]

Nah man I do. Mental health plays a role in a lot of things, but reflecting criticism by claiming mental health just seems like a cheap cop out. Because look at us, I say one thing about it and suddenly I'm the bad guy.

[edgy blade]

that makes sense
People don't realize it takes minimum of 4 years to make a normal game though

[cedar totem]

srry guys i really hate to ask but do we have any info on when b42 will come to main branch with multiplayer? just curious

[gleaming perch]

No

[vague trench]

probably not for a couple months im guessing

[cedar totem]

thanks

[main jay]

Do you know about split screen and remote desktop?

[frozen wyvern]

My guess is half a year, but theres no concrete answer

[vague trench]

they probably want to get crafting things more added

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah crafting has a lot of potential but its got a while to go

Please add arts supplies stores so I can find clay more lol

[keen gorge]

If I have to predict, second half of 2025 at the earliest

[vague trench]

yah i tried getting into pottery cause that sounded fun to me but i gave up trying to look for it lol , i heard that school storage things might carry some and foraging, i tried foraging by the lake in muldrag but didnt find anything maybe i have to level foraging up?

[frozen wyvern]

Im kinda to the point I might just cheat some clay in to test the new blacksmithing, its so hard to find

[keen gorge]

I like that thing in pottery that allows you to store liquids

I forgot what its called. Starts with an A

[frozen wyvern]

Amphorama something or other

Could be completely wrong

[edgy blade]