Build 42 Unstable Out Now

[turbid gorge]

can't hear you

[queen shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-walking-dead-rick-grimes-atlanta-gif-22116117

[storm monolith]

[queen shadow]

I want this ^^^

[ornate parcel]

TIS act as if vehicles in the 90s US weren't primarily made out of steel 😭

feels like they're made out of cheap plastic

[turbid gorge]

90s vehicles were way more durable and solid lol

they were made outta quarter inch steel and shit

human bones and muscle might as well be tissue paper to that

[storm monolith]

[turbid gorge]

unless you ramming zombies at 60+ they aint gonna do much

a true tank would literally not give a single shit nor would a bulldozer

https://tenor.com/view/tank-gif-5855095177660882310

[ornate parcel]

definitely, but the issue with that is how all the energy is transferred to the soft passengers inside during collisions 💀

[turbid gorge]

seatbelts + massive weight of car = zombie goes flying

[ornate parcel]

so they could make cars more durable but make players take more damage from hard impacts

[glacial cape]

I might be wrong but I thought armored cars were in the plans for b42?

[turbid gorge]

thats one thing i wish this game had, zombies going ragdoll and flying when you hit them

[glacial cape]

we got scrap armor&weapons so armored cars wouldn't be too far fetched no?

[turbid gorge]

instead of instantly falling under it actually going physics mode and getting knocked far away

[turbid gorge]

they once showed a prototype for vehicle up-armoring but they really would need to do it like standardized vehicle upgrades does it

armor should soak up ALL the damage for that part until the armor breaks off, none of this percentage shit

[ornate parcel]

90s US pickup trucks with tall bumpers wouldn't give a fuck either

but I do see why they still take a lotta damage, balance

prolly to avoid cheese tactics with backup up in circles etc.

[turbid gorge]

just have zombie bodies make wheels start losing traction

like your car can get stuck spinning loosely in guts and stuff

for some vehicles esp tall trucks zombies just would not be able to get at you

the zombies would not know how to climb up the step with the handles and they def arent clawing through the steel panels of doors and body frame

[cunning turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-driver-movie-baby-driver-baby-driver-gi-fs-action-driving-gif-8501728

[turbid gorge]

driving back from louisville shelter with 30 dogs and cats in your car

and trunk piled full of kibble

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[turbid gorge]

cats would be rather safe from zombies really unless they're old and sick

zombies ain't catching no damned cat lmao

fast sprinting humans can largely not catch them

https://tenor.com/view/figgy-stairs-figaro-fig-cat-gif-6100616626027355064

bring back authentic z already

[glacial cape]

I know LV is bad but how bad is the population in march ridge and west point?

[turbid gorge]

i needs the provocative outfit drip

[glacial cape]

I need em backpack upgrades pronto!

[wet timber]

They're not compatible with Fili's animation update 😭

[turbid gorge]

thats why i didnt bother with that shit

ill take car armor over animations on them every day of week

which is why i really hope they add car armoring to vanilla... Hell. go all out

let us build new vehicles from salvaged scrap lol, half life 2 buggy ass type hsit

horse drawn carriages

the original self driving car lmao

slap its ass and itll pull you home

[raw parcel]

exploring buildings after electricity shutoff is almost impossible as sunlight improperly penetrates buildings

[turbid gorge]

no but like horses in general tho

[raw parcel]

any way to mod this?

[turbid gorge]

the flashlight necessity is def way overblown

like sure for deep interior rooms and such and big buildings they will be dark however for places with windows and stuff youll be able to navigate inside fine irl

[raw parcel]

sunlight shouldnt stop 20 feet after meeting a window yes

i cant find any setting that changes this in sandbox though

is there a way to mod this in the game files?

[flat phoenix]

I think at some point they will add it, but if they do I want it to be really costly, not easy to do.

[raw parcel]

i dont see how slapping a chunk of metal on your car will make it less vulnerable to collisions

you would have to replace the actual bodywork with less deformable material

but then you would suffer more injuries in the event of a collision

[turbid gorge]

90s cars had extremely thick solid heavy frames

its the outer paneling that would be taking the most of it and you could shield that with thicker plates and bars

human bodies... are not very durable in machine terms

something like a snow plow would shove zombies out of the way pretty handily tho it wouldnt kill them

MOVE BITCH GET OUT THE WAY

[raw parcel]

cars in the 90s were already pretty crumpable but i guess rural kentucky had a lot 1970s and 1980s models on the road

[turbid gorge]

there would def be more solid cars on road also how much frame damage do you expect a weakened rotting human body to do esp at lower speeds

[raw parcel]

irregardless colliding with objects weighing between 70 - 100 kg will do damage

either to the car or to whats inside it

[turbid gorge]

at 30 mph and below with armor i wouldnt expect a zombie not make noticable differience

also seatbelts would def come in clutch

the real godsend tho would be real military vehicles and tanks

[raw parcel]

30mph is enough to die in "sturdy" cars though

[turbid gorge]

fort knox is a tank base

[raw parcel]

thats the flip side of the coin, medical handbooks are filled with stories of ppl dying at 35mph

[turbid gorge]

by all logic there would be tanks around knox county because they are even mentioned in the radio as being present

[raw parcel]

because cars were so sturdy

[turbid gorge]

and a tank would not noticably change speed at all hitting a human

we'd be like a tiny bump in dirt if anything

[raw parcel]

M1A1 abrams need helicopter fuel, would there be other models deployed that can use conventional gas?

[turbid gorge]

m1abrams is flex fuel what

abrams can run off gasoline disel and even moonshine

[raw parcel]

ah my bad, its just some trivia some dude told me

[turbid gorge]

thing about abrams engine is its literally a jet engine

so Fixing it would stump most car mechanics

[raw parcel]

right

tbh a tank is impractical enough to be in game, if everything is modeled correctly

[turbid gorge]

so id have real tanks like that need a lot of matinence notably changing air filters and shit

its not something you will want to drive long distances but to kill a bunch of zombies and stuff

[raw parcel]

i assume the noise is also substantially higher than even the loudest car

[turbid gorge]

there are lighter miltiary vehicles that ar emore practical

honestly not super an abrams is about as loud as a big semi truck

not quiet by any means but not heard for miles

the noise being high pitched jet roar muffled inside a steel box helps with that

high pitched noises dont travel as far

[raw parcel]

yeah and are less detectable to the human ear

[turbid gorge]

now some things to keep in mind about weaponry... Tanks usually carry legitimate thousands of rounds for their machine guns. T H O U S A ND S.

a military base would quite literally have millions of bullets in stockpile

more than your survivor could ever use

i do really think some places should have much more loot than seen ingame

[raw parcel]

would tanks deployed for riot control have a full complement of ammo?

[turbid gorge]

oh by the end they weren't there for riot control...

the military knew, they shot a bunch of people already from what we're told, they knew the infected were hostile

[raw parcel]

yeah sure but the response to the knox incident would likely be very ad hoc

[turbid gorge]

well perhaps the ones out on patrol migth be mostly out of ammo

[raw parcel]

its not like theyre invading iraq

[turbid gorge]

hell, if you got there soon enough you'd probably find tanks surrounded by zombies with still-living crew trapped inside

if you managed to rescue them and add them to your npc group they'd know how to fix and operate the tank

sounds like some baller characters to me

[raw parcel]

but like you said long term usage would be difficult, theres parts like the treads than cant exactly be fixed with autozone loot

[fierce mountain]

Seems like it might be Build 43 for them as it will likely require behaviour trees which is the backbone for human NPCs to get added.

[turbid gorge]

i mainly think best bet would be going to fort knox where they are undoubtably tanks still there and spare parts

besides that you could cannibalize the other tanks for parts to just keep one or 2 running, if you roll up to an enemy survivors base and point the turret at them i think they'll surrender

if not immediately certainly after the first 120mm HEAT round blows up one of their houses

[raw parcel]

russian ukrainian war rp

[turbid gorge]

abrams don't have normal HE only APFSDS HEAT and Canister

CANISTER WOULD BE SO GODLY IN THIS GAME giant tank shotgun shell with insanely high velocity swarm of bullets

normal 12 gague BBs clock in at like.. 800 feet per second, mmkay? Abrams BBs which are bigger and heavier and much more numerous clock in at 5000 FPS

one or 2 shots of that will eradicate entire hordes

[raw parcel]

well the cannon is much longer than a shotgun's lol

[turbid gorge]

and it has 30 pounds of gunpowder behind it

[raw parcel]

a tank summed up as a giant shotgun on tracks is a funny image

[turbid gorge]

also keep in mind one person cannot run the whole thing at once

if you were doing it solo your best bet would just be running zombies over and using it like a bulldozer

[raw parcel]

yeah 3 man crew?

commander gun and pilot

[turbid gorge]

4 man gunner loader commander driver

[raw parcel]

the mp desync would be funny

[turbid gorge]

abrams does not have an autoloader it's hand loaded

but overall if you wanted just a good armored vehicle that ignores zombies

[raw parcel]

bradley

[turbid gorge]

an APC would be great, papa chad's m113 apc mod was fantastic

yeah lighter armored stuff like that has a small fraction the wear and tear of heavy mbts

they can drive almost as long as a car can because of that

and even still we're talking like inch thick metal armor

[raw parcel]

good thing the gas is free

[turbid gorge]

indeed

tho it does seem like they reduced the default gas station amounts further (id just raise it back up lol)

or better yet? let us grow corn and brew moonshine to fuel our vehicles

its literally what ethanol is aside they add a bit of gasoline to make it poisonous cuz people kept drinking it

[raw parcel]

E85, 30 years ahead of time

[turbid gorge]

nah ethanol cars have existed since the first cars in 1890s

im serious tho they need to fix calorie usage the amount of calories you burn running and walking around are insane

100 calories gets you walking 1 whole mile to burn... you burn that ingame with like 100 feet lmao

junk food has the calorie counts of healthy salads with dressing

[raw parcel]

yes the nutrition is off by a wide margin

[turbid gorge]

something is very off here

avoiding losing weight forces you to gorge yourself on dozens of junk food items

so all this junk food cant get me fat... but a big fish has 5000 calories

okay TIS lmao

the worse part is theres no sandbox option to tweak metabolism rate

i'd reduce it by a factor of 3 or 4

id also remove hunger system's starvation mechanic

[raw parcel]

tbh the whole weight system doesnt add much

[turbid gorge]

even at max hunger you shouldn't just start dying

[raw parcel]

you are considered unhealthy at 74kg or something

most adults are fine weighing that much

[turbid gorge]

that shit is dumb as fuck that there's 2 seperate starvation systems and one of them takes less than 2 days to starve to death

humans can live for months without food esp fat people

water is a far bigger concern than food in a survival situation

for a game wanting to be realistic this is very artificial difficulty

[neat saffron]

I understand this is literally just an animation glitch but i love it and i wish we could actually run around like this.

[turbid gorge]

actually firearm trained people can run like that and do so

[raw parcel]

the problem if you want good nutrition in the game is that most doctors dont even know that much about it, so forget about laymen

in most countries you dont get much education during either residency or external

[sharp lava]

It would be nice to put corpses in a trailer or in the back of a car.

[forest shore]

You can't?

[sharp lava]

Can`t figure out how to do it...

[neat saffron]

And instead all we get ingame is the silly goober walk with the gun at our side like a stick

[forest shore]

Let me test real quick

I know you can open the door and shove a generator in a seat that way

[turbid gorge]

most people dont understand that weight gain largely boils down to calories in vs calories out

[raw parcel]

i honestly doubt your months figure

[turbid gorge]

no its absolutely true

[neat saffron]

Weeks, yes, months, no

[severe prawn]

"It's begging to look a lot like a Christmas"~

[raw parcel]

but im not finding much definite stuff in recent literature on human trials

[sharp lava]

Yeah i figured that one out

[neat saffron]

You can go months on very little food, but not none

[raw parcel]

i dont doubt that some people could survive some months without eating but i do doubt that most could

[turbid gorge]

certainly over 1 month generally

you def wouldnt die a week without food

but ingame you have to eat basically every day or you will die which is dumb

[neat saffron]

youd feel miserable, exhausted, chronically tired, everything would feel 4x harder

[raw parcel]

there are a number of proteins you need to ingest that are crucial to endocrinal functions necessary to maintain activity

[neat saffron]

but youd be alive ig

[raw parcel]

and you would suffer from lack of crucial micronutrients too

[forest shore]

The problem is there hasn't exactly been case studies on starvation to that extent. Most people don't volunteer to starve to death so it's all based off survivor information in survival situations.

[turbid gorge]

the amount of calories you need to eat to maintain rate is insane

[raw parcel]

if you are perfectly healthy yes, but just one minor issue could end up decompensated

[neat saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[forest shore]

It's generally considered that a healthy, average adult can survive about 2 months without food.

[turbid gorge]

we got a lot of information from the holocaust

the worst part was they found that if you start giving a starving person unlimited food they will eat themselves to death

[raw parcel]

the holocaust didnt exactly involve standard procedure

and scientific advancement was never its purpose, even if some people pretended it did, like Mengele

[turbid gorge]

these victims who just gorged themselves on military rations had their livers basically explode because the sudden surge of blood sugar and nutrients

[neat saffron]

no that wasnt the issue. The issue was that their gut flora straight up didnt exist anymore. So it didnt matter what they ate. Their bodies could literally not digest any of it.

[forest shore]

Take McCandless for example - he died from eating berries that generally wouldn't be an issue because he was so weak from starvation.

[raw parcel]

it's true that refeeding someone starving too quickly will kill them

[turbid gorge]

you still can digest things with zero gut bacteria

[raw parcel]

but it's multifactorial and also related to insulin oversensitivity

[turbid gorge]

otherwise antibiotics would kill you because you starve

[neat saffron]

and gain absolutely no nutrients from it causing you to simply keep starving

[turbid gorge]

the bacteria just make it more efficient and give you more out of it

[raw parcel]

yeah pretty much what bomba said

[turbid gorge]

itll basically be like eating raw stuff in terms of lost out nutrients

[raw parcel]

ppl often overstate gut microflora because it's a recent field of studies with lots of wowzers

[turbid gorge]

you wont get none but youll get way lower than healthy person

[raw parcel]

and as with any recent field, things get overblown

[neat saffron]

okay internet armchair doctor council its not like i studied these things or something nooo

[forest shore]

Uhhhh my entire mod list just disappeared?

[raw parcel]

im a md

[neat saffron]

yall keep yappin

and i am the god emperor, right

[raw parcel]

its not exactly a momentous achievement

[turbid gorge]

ive met very dumb as fuck doctors im shocked got a degree tbf but i dont think arrdef is wrong

[raw parcel]

i admittedly do not know much about nutrition

[turbid gorge]

for babies i do know gut microbiome is very important but for fully established adults its not just gonna raw kill you either

[raw parcel]

but i wouldnt be wrong in advising against "not eating for months" to 99% of people

[turbid gorge]

you will however be sickly and have deficiencies

[raw parcel]

if you need such radical measures in your life for your health, youre beyond discussing it on discord anyway

[forest shore]

You're not my real mom - you can't tell me what to do.

Uh guys I may be honey roasted. My mod list is totally empty and I can't get it to show up anything 😦

Oop i'm getting an error - now to find where the erorr is saved

omfg I figured it out. I made an empty mod - just a file structure - but I didn't include mod info or anything and that was causing it

Vanilla Vehicles Animated is updated for B42! 😄

[turbid gorge]

what???? you can't pick these up anymore???

what the fuck TIS

[cunning turtle]

TIS

[sharp lava]

Never could.... That was a mod

[turbid gorge]

yes you could you could always pick up the dispenser and they added taking the bottles off from the mod

originally you could only take whole thing and not bottle seperate

ok so you need to put bottle back on to take it? that... doesn't make sense but ok

[remote bear]

Those errors making me feeling scared lmao

[raw parcel]

does anyone know of a mod that makes buildings less dark during the day

[turbid gorge]

welcome to b42

[past spear]

holy shit they thought of everything, it seems like you cant read the nutritional information of food in the dark

[turbid gorge]

YEEEEES

they added cases of food thank the fuckin lord

i hope they added boxes of teabags and stuff, cuz who tf buys individual teabags

the boxes they come in have like... 30 at least lmao

one tub of coffee makes like dozens of cups

game was always extremely stingy with what you get out of stuff and not realistic at all

[lethal wolf]

how many cans in a box?

[turbid gorge]

no idea

[cunning turtle]

[turbid gorge]

judging by weight probably 4

[lethal wolf]

gotta keep that in mind, my woodsman character might not survive super long without some supplies

[blazing coral]

I think you can also pack the boxes yourself and books can be boxed too

[turbid gorge]

i just increased non persishable foods to 1.5

still unrealistically low but a bit less stingy

[blazing coral]

doesn't even require a cardboard box to pack lol

[scenic gazelle]

little detail that's neat
you cannot dump stuff on the ground while inside the car if the windows are closed
it's an obvious thing but it wasn't a thing in B41

[cunning turtle]

[blazing coral]

I'm sure I tried with the windows open and it also didn't work. Have to try again now...

[pastel grove]

The chicken farm in echo is actually so broken. I found like 110+ cartons of eggs there. I just decided to live amongst the chickens.
Theres also conveniently 3 fridges for holding eggs as well.

[turbid gorge]

home

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[past spear]

clean your room

and cover the doors with sheets

[cunning turtle]

Clean your house*

[turbid gorge]

they do have sheets

[pastel grove]

Yeah. I think its called refeeding syndrome or smtg like that if you want to look up more info on it.

[turbid gorge]

i put them on the outside like a heathen

both sides of windows are 4 planks

[pastel grove]

Anyways i ended up running over a chicken and found a chick hovering over it so i gave it my room because i felt bad. Left after saying goodbye to my chickens and then died in a tunnel. My chickens think i left them for dead 100%

[past spear]

saw a screenshot of a piglet the other day that said it "cant find its mother"

[pastel grove]

Oh... oh no. Please put those inside, you're scaring the children.

[past spear]

so sad

[lethal wolf]

I had to butcher my 4 spawn house chickens when I realized they were like 14 units each, didnt fit to my car. Ball-peen hammer mercy kills. Then found out I can chew on their feetsies, and "slice" their heads to get skulls. And apparently brains.

[past spear]

not the hammer 😭

[hallow adder]

Zombies can tear the curtains down if the curtains are on the outside.

[turbid gorge]

i finally made something to fix my calorie deficit

[pastel grove]

Yeah, i tried that but idk what the brains and skulls are for.

[bold kelp]

Ball peen hammer and a nail, classic lobotomy tools

[lethal wolf]

Extremely rare loot (between rare and insanely rare setting), didn't have any other weapon...well ok, maybe the fillet knife but wanted to save its durability for butchering

[past spear]

you can mount the skulls on sticks

[keen gorge]

Just a preface

[lethal wolf]

Skulls are for ornaments, or maybe clothing since chicken skull is far smaller than a deer one...brains, no idea. I left them behind...

[pastel grove]

But then i guess the brains are useless

[keen gorge]

Those horse trailers are super sensitive to turning over. Turn your corners very slowly if you don't want them to tilt

[pastel grove]

Id expect to be able to cook them or something but.

[turbid gorge]

Execute order 66

[hallow adder]

Or we can report this to the devs so they can tune the tilting.

[pastel grove]

I guess my character refused because he knows theres still 1500+ eggs left. Picky bastard.

[keen gorge]

It's already reported

[hollow mica]

I just poured bottles of all sorts of drinks into a bucket and drank the whole thing. 10/10 best last drink before zombification

[hallow adder]

nice

[turbid gorge]

can you put chickens inside a car

you Shouldn't need a trailer for them certainly

[pastel grove]

Didnt try it but i was going to when i moved to waverly. But i kinda died in a tunnel underground before that

[turbid gorge]

if your big back ass can sit in a car seat you can fit at least 4 chickens there

sure they will probably shit inside your car but you probably pulled a dead guy out of it as well

[raw parcel]

Irl room with blinds during the day

what are the devs thinking exactly with this pitch dark thing

[turbid gorge]

ikr

[keen gorge]

Lighting just too literal right now.

[raw parcel]

not even the closet at the back is pitch dark

[pastel grove]

I just spawned in echo, theres a big chicken farm to the right of echo with hundreds of chickens. You could try finding it.

[turbid gorge]

the sun is... very fucking bright lmao

[neat saffron]

the B42 experience:

Look at car:

2 Zombies

Turn around for 2 seconds

Look at car again:

[keen gorge]

Like how sheets blank out the light instead of dimming it

[turbid gorge]

they def should tune up how that works so more light passes through

[raw parcel]

more light, spreading further

[turbid gorge]

add in blankets in addition to sheets, both used for covering up in bed for sleep boost as well as being blackout curtains

[hallow adder]

Because all curtains are blackout curtains.

[raw parcel]

in all directions

[turbid gorge]

blankets could be much thicker and actually block out the light

[raw parcel]

in zomboid i dont even get this light while opening the curtains

[keen gorge]

I dunno, you can double dip irl and light is still there

Really dim but workable light

[hallow adder]

Lighting calculations also saves CPU, making it more suited to pathfinding your Zombies to you.

[raw parcel]

then revert to old light system

[cunning turtle]

[past spear]

no

[hallow adder]

no

[raw parcel]

exploring in daytime without power is impossible rn

[turbid gorge]

well boys power went out over night

[raw parcel]

i dont think you tried the mall or the airport recently

[past spear]

okay, but those would get really fucking dark

[raw parcel]

not that much

[past spear]

they would, ask me how i know

[raw parcel]

look at the pic above, his damn house is pitch dark

[turbid gorge]

ikr it def should not be that black

[past spear]

the house, no, but large buildings like an airport, absolutely

[turbid gorge]

devs went way too far in name of 'difficulty' totally sprinting past realism

[raw parcel]

not as dark as they are rn

[turbid gorge]

have you seen how many windows airports have lmao

their walls are 80% glass

[raw parcel]

large public places function very well with few lights

[hallow adder]

In Zomboid?

[raw parcel]

it's actually very important in public health for indoors places to be lit via natural sunlight

[turbid gorge]

irl shrug im just saying if a building has a lot of windows it should be visible enough to move in daytime

[flat phoenix]

I mean you cant really see behind you irl...

[raw parcel]

??

you dont in zomboid either, whats your point

[flat phoenix]

idk why its really an issue

[raw parcel]

have you tried looting houses or stores in daytime

[flat phoenix]

Yes?

[past spear]

large rooms get pretty dark when its just natural light (this was with a wide open aperture)

[raw parcel]

it absolutely is an issue

[raw parcel]

you can literally see every surface on the pic

its not as dark as pz

[turbid gorge]

you can see in that pic a lot lmao

[raw parcel]

only place you cant discern is on top left

[turbid gorge]

you would be able to see a person standing in there

[raw parcel]

idk man, i certainly dont need to turn on the light in my office

im indoors in daytime rn

[flat phoenix]

So are you whining that its too dark?

[blazing coral]

just let some light through curtains OR revert the whole improved system back to 41. lol you guys are way too dramatic

[past spear]

definitely not the second one

[raw parcel]

its only dramatic because some people are being bad faith

if what you see in pz is what you see irl you absolutely need to consult an ophtalmologist

[past spear]

yeah, because id be seeing in isometric view

[raw parcel]

see this is the bad faith im talking about

[past spear]

i was making a joke

[raw parcel]

was the game designed by your dad or something

[flat phoenix]

What is this complaining even about?

[raw parcel]

lack of light propagation

[blazing coral]

rolf I had the same idea

[past spear]

whos rolf

[heady field]

tried cdda, its a pain to manage the muscle lol

[raw parcel]

light doesnt diffuse properly in indoors space

for instance, a window will only illuminate a small cone

[blazing coral]

brain fart. rofl

[raw parcel]

whereas any large window would illuminate pretty much the entire room in a 180° cone

[past spear]

bounce lighting and GI is hell to simulate even with simplistic graphics

[raw parcel]

it doesnt have to be modelled with physics accurate mechanisms

[forest shore]

Found a cool bug - if you get enough negative moodles stacked, then wear a gas mask that lowers your vision range into the negative you get 360 degree vision.

[raw parcel]

just widen the cone

and lengthen it

nobody is arguing for individual photons and their path and absorption to be modeled

[past spear]

werent you just talking about bad faith?

[hallow adder]

That felt a bit too OP

[flat phoenix]

I think the lighting is fine, its an unstable beta anyway. If you find something isnt right report it to the devs

[raw parcel]

you do not need to simulate photons bouncing off surfaces

in 99% of scenario, a surface will exist for light to bounce off

so pz, the computer program, can just widen the cone to 180° to reflect that

[blazing coral]

you are aware of everything but too tired and depressed and anxious to do anything about it

[raw parcel]

without needing to simulate bouncing light

its not exactly a revolutionary change

[ember tapir]

Piss

[raw parcel]

its not a bug to report, it is a mistake in design, and this discord server is appropriate to discuss it

[keen gorge]

I'm pretty sure animals inside trailers are immortal until you load the area

I'm 75 days in and I found some cows just chilling inside one

[past spear]

animals in general dont die until you load them in

[flat phoenix]

I personally think its fine, I dont expect RTX graphics from pz

[raw parcel]

i did not ask for rtx graphics

no structural change is needed in what i suggest

i.e widening the cone that starts at the light source

[past spear]

should be fairly easy to mod in? i wonder if anyone has done that

[raw parcel]

theres a couple night vision mods around so altering how light works is definitely in the bounds of the engine

but i couldnt like, find a single variable to modify

so its a bit beyond my technical proficiency to do so

[lost merlin]

Does anyone know if there's a way to make reading just a little faster..? Other than the trait.. 😛

[past spear]

the trait

[lost merlin]

Again.. other than the trait..

[past spear]

and speeding up time

[hallow adder]

Fast-forward time.

[flat phoenix]

Sandbox settings?

[blazing coral]

@raw parcel my suggestion: gather some screenshots and write out what you think should be improved specifically in those cases. structure this in a single message so it's easier for the devs to see and understand.

[raw parcel]

how long it takes to read stuff depends on number of pages, those can be modified trivially in files

[lost merlin]

was hoping for a setting, I'll take a look again.

[forest shore]

So new car meta - use a livestock trailer to run the zombies over. Hit them once, then hit them again as they begin to stand and it's an insta-kill.

[blazing coral]

pretty sure there's a sandbox setting like time to read a page or something

[raw parcel]

ill just wait for a mod tbh, or just try to make my own

[keen gorge]

Fuck me I have to make liberal use of debug so that these new trailers stay upright

I turn 1 degree more than it wants and its either it tilts or I get launched to the stratosphere

[lost merlin]

I had seen it before in 41 just not seeing it this time around. I probably overlooked it or something.

[soft viper]

you cant make campfires in the dark?

[frozen wyvern]

I don't think you can craft much of anything in the dark

[blazing coral]

under character. still looking for a setting for other literature

[cunning turtle]

[frozen wyvern]

Darkness is now omega spooky

[soft viper]

yeah and that screwed me over

insanely rare run and no flashlight got me cooked to death

[frozen wyvern]

Peak zomboid

That's why we love it

[blazing coral]

apparently, this is the only setting. I wonder if non-skill book speed derives from it too, then

[forest shore]

Yes

Every book has a page count and that one settings controls the reading speed per page so by default if a book has 220 pages (most level 1 skill books) it takes 440 minutes to read.

[soft viper]

If I set zombie respawn to 0 but population peak to 5, will it peak the zombie pop first or will the pop stay at its initial?

[turbid gorge]

it will gradually reach that at peak day

[soft viper]

epic

[turbid gorge]

default peak day is 28, note that even with all this off you will still get zombie spawns indoors

[idle aspen]

build forty two

[soft viper]

built footytoo

[turbid gorge]

byild fouuteeee tooow

[forest shore]

No clue where this road goes but there were a ton of zombies here. Going to see if I can make my way thru

[blazing coral]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thousand-yard-stare-thousand-yard-stare-cat-ptsd-cat-soldier-cat-war-gif-9110270742088459827

[turbid gorge]

bro why the fuck does this game think TV dinners make you want to stuff a sawed off in your mouth and pull the trigger

did one of the devs get traumatized by a TV dinner

tv dinners have higher unhappiness than eating dead rotting rats whole

[blazing coral]

lol

[forest shore]

Ok need to come back with an axe.

||The road is totally washed out, i'll have to cut my way through||

[cunning turtle]

Cause tv dinners tastes bad

[turbid gorge]

this might be being peasant brained

but i would prefer eating a tv dinner to a dead rat

id certainly be happier eating it than a raw fucking potato

raw potatoes should have an unhappiness factor

[rich cove]

OH SO THE BRAZILIAN EASTER EGG SOUL FILCHER ADDED WAS THE OVO CAR?

"Look at the Ovo Car coming down your street, 10 Ovos for only 5 Dollars. Loooook at the Ovo Car coming down your street"

[turbid gorge]

they should add foxes as visible predators to chickens and stuff

[rich cove]

love this

[turbid gorge]

i will kill the fox and hang up its dead flayed corpse for the other foxes to see as an example

[rich cove]

They will definelly add soon since they're already ingame as Meta-Predators

[raw parcel]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/75229-light-system-feedback/
here you go

[turbid gorge]

we should be able to do this with wildlife in zomboid

https://youtube.com/shorts/zX0UicnhIhg?si=K5xn-GqFxyGE2II_

[blazing coral]

very good criticism

[heady field]

'wilderness knowledge' trait is a must have now

[neat saffron]

Dinnertime.

[raw parcel]

wow

[raw parcel]

is this the full trait desc mod?

[heady field]

yes, they got an update

gonna explore more stuffs, im also using debug mode rn

[scenic gazelle]

are workbenches craftable?
or I gotta find one in the world?

[glacial cape]

Is this a mod which is showing you all of this? Because if so can it show occupations as well I wanna know what else the livestock farmer occupation gives

[cunning turtle]

Pov

[glacial cape]

Hunting with guns ❌
Hunting with cars ✅

[mossy tangle]

Wow you can remove bottles from water dispensers haha

Best farm watering tool

[forest shore]

Just bagged 4 rabbits

You can only transport one cow at a time - this will be a pain in the butt.

[spare breach]

Not the paring knife, thats for sure

But i found a machete and have been constantly sharpening it as i go, and it's still only has gotten to like 60% condition so far

I uave a feeling that if you let a blade get too dull, it receives damage more quickly

[winged coral]

how do you make your own long axe? not stone? i can't find anything in the crafting menu.

[heady field]

mb I'll send it here later and tag u, already in a game exploring map xD

[digital cloud]

anyone noticed some zombies just don’t make noise 💀

i had my pc and zomboid volume at max and got vigorous back shots twice in a row

[elder flax]

And? disapointing right?

[forest shore]

Yeaaaa. I didn't go get my axe to make it all the way down but it just... A lot of zombies for no real reason it seems...

[cunning turtle]

...

[cunning turtle]

[elder flax]

Yeah, its a flooded road, i like to think that the zombies where the ones that tried crossing but got bitten.

[turbid gorge]

generators really need a rework ngl

most generators have instructions literally printed on them.... and they just have sockets to plug stuff in, like even without the magazine you should be able to fill it up and turn it on and like connect a fridge or plug in a light to it

see all that writing

[neat saffron]

Venus devouring his Son

( When will devs finally add that being covered completely in blood and eating infects you, lol )

[hallow sail]

Anyone know if there is such thing as like a miners helmet or something so you can see in the dark without having to hold a flashlight in one of your hands

[turbid gorge]

the better flashlights mod from b41 let you stuff any flashlight onto your belt, hoping it gets updated soon

[keen gorge]

There's a vanilla option now

Get a webbing and one of those angled flashlights

[wraith rune]

Think you can add a flashlight to your helmet?

[hallow sail]

Webbing?

[keen gorge]

Leaves your hands free

[hallow sail]

Yeah cuz like im tired of having to one hand my bat

[keen gorge]

Army webbing

[turbid gorge]

where

[keen gorge]

There's a chance for it to spawn at the gunstores

[turbid gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-life-a-bugs-life-bruh-not-smiling-ants-not-smiling-gif-8815283262918161887

[keen gorge]

Or kill army zeds

[turbid gorge]

of course gaijin be like 'ohhh bro this useful item can only be found extremely rarely and super uniqueeee

nobody civillian and normal EVER WANTS a hands free light brooooo

[winged coral]

Ok can you put an axe head on a wooden long handle???

[turbid gorge]

doesnt exist bro

[winged coral]

Or small wooden handle

[vague trench]

Lol i love this

[keen gorge]

You ask where and I pointed. Go complain somewhere else

[hallow sail]

Is there anywhere military around brandenburg?

[opaque schooner]

Yes

[hallow sail]

All ive seen so far for like places of interest that amuse me are a book store, ammo store, police department, middle school, gigamart, and fire station

[opaque schooner]

There’s a small refugee camp by a farm south of brandenberg and brandenberg has a military checkpoint

[hallow sail]

Military checkpoint? Which direction?

[opaque schooner]

By the bridge

North

[hallow sail]

North brandenburg?

I’ve already been to the on-water restaurant and thats like the most northern you can get

[opaque schooner]

Yeah

[hallow sail]

Is it like east or west of that restaurant

[opaque schooner]

Go explore man

[hallow sail]

Bruh im just trying to find a head flashlight

[keen gorge]

There's none

Vanilla wise there's nothing like that

[opaque schooner]

I think you can find military flashlights and attach them to a belt or something

[hallow sail]

Or the webbing thing u were referring to

[keen gorge]

But no lighted headware. Closest thing is the webbing and the angled flashlight

[hallow sail]

Yeah sorry. I meant just anything that would let me see and use a two handed

[keen gorge]

But the good news is with all that gear you can now military larp vanilla style

[regal spindle]

When it comes to lighitng there appears to be lanterns now? so there might be something there

[neat saffron]

and get aggravatingly uncomfortable and severe aim penalties as punishment!

[keen gorge]

Nah it still needs to be held

[neat saffron]

this is not a complaint. i prefer it this way.

[regal spindle]

Those can't be placed on the ground or at least hung off your belt? bit strange

[neat saffron]

I want people out of Military Gear and to look like People again.

[keen gorge]

I tried it no option for me to attach it

[regal spindle]

what about the big hiking pack? that seems to have a slot

[neat saffron]

Very much looking forward to B42 Roleplaying now that you get punished for running around in jarring garish armors and gear for any longer than is required

[keen gorge]

Backpack bottom only accepts packed tents and sleeping bags

[regal spindle]

I mean you already were by how hot that stuff was to wear

[hallow sail]

I want a damn solar panel attached to my backpack that charges the spotlight i’ll probe out of my forehead so i can blind all zombies in my trace with the heat and brightness of the sun

[regal spindle]

true veterans of the game knew that armour was borderline useless most the time anyways and just wore clothes for fashion, the true newb armour was all the firefighter gear

[keen gorge]

Armor seems to work now

For the zombies at least

[regal spindle]

zombies don't catch the human virus if they get a single wound from you

that was always the problem with relying on armour, only one attack needs to get through to doom your run

[keen gorge]

Best armor is fishnets and military boots

[hallow sail]

Yes

[neat saffron]

Thats not my concern, youre right, ofc, but what im concerned about were the John Zomboids in Multiplayer servers who think that wearing a bunch of military gear and a gasmask the entire time makes them "cool and mysterious" rather than edgy and cringe inducing

Now they get punished for running around in stuffy, hot, cumbersome gear

[regal spindle]

I guess, I mean I think it's equally silly if wearing military gear makes it harder to use guns

[opaque schooner]

Why complain about people having fun

[regal spindle]

but I don't even know what uncomfortable even actually does

[neat saffron]

Because they tended to regularly ruin mine.

[opaque schooner]

Because they wore military gear in a zombie game?

[neat saffron]

Because they would be edgy assholes to me

[regal spindle]

I don't think thats terribly relevant to game balance dude

play on better servers

[neat saffron]

so seeing their garish choices get a kick in the shin is satisfying on a personal level. Also- i just plain love the immersion.

[keen gorge]

As far as I noted, it makes your character unhappy faster

[opaque schooner]

Whatever makes you happy man

[neat saffron]

From what ive seen it causes some minor damage, causes unhappiness and stress builds up faster

[keen gorge]

Then again my characters are always depressed so nothing changed

[opaque schooner]

Really, minor damage?

[regal spindle]

Health is wierd in zomboid, the health bar is basically inconsequential unless your bleeding or feverish

it's always the bites that actually kill you

But then the health system is kinda one of those things I think they intend to do a big overhaul on someday

[keen gorge]

Anyone getting any lag spikes from horse trailers if you tow them for too long?

[neat saffron]

Not sure on that one, i try to avoid it personally

[keen gorge]

I got a trailer filled with sheep from Rosewood and brought it all the way to my base near Ekron and around halfway through the journey game would freeze for a few seconds

[opaque schooner]

Fair enough

[keen gorge]

Reproducible, at least from my end

[visual trail]

that's chunks loading

[keen gorge]

Even if you're driving slow?

[visual trail]

if you are for the first time, it's possible

also take into account the RAM issue has not been fully solved

[keen gorge]

I don't seem to experience it if I'm not towing trailers irregardless of the speed

Anyways, more tests needed

[visual trail]

it just freezes?

[past spear]

real chads play with saliva only transmission and never clean off the blood

[visual trail]

the animal trailers behave oddly

[neat saffron]

ill toast to that

[visual trail]

in the way that when you attach them they kinda like damage the trunk and they flip almost instantly

[keen gorge]

They're too sensitive

They can't stand corners

They tilt over if you turn 1 degree more than they're used to

[visual trail]

the part that I've damaged my trunk while attaching it....

they tilt too much and they get too easy flipped on sides

[blazing finch]

Tv dinners aren't even non-perishable anymore

[turbid gorge]

ikr and they make you even more unhappy

tfw eating tv dinner

https://tenor.com/view/hank-shoot-me-king-of-the-hill-hose-gun-gif-9222714

[blazing finch]

Eating actual tvs would be better for your mood

[turbid gorge]

im convinced a dev got a tv dinner took it out of the box and it had mold or something and traumatized them

[raw parcel]

TV dinners in the 90s were notoriously shit

[turbid gorge]

i dont get why

[neat saffron]

The sheer volume of stuff oh my lord

[turbid gorge]

the early tv dinners from the 1950s didnt really look bad, im sure it looked worse than the packaging but

[blazing finch]

Was there a thurd in most tv dinners in the 90's?

[neat saffron]

A Mineral- Specimen Case.
How very oddly specific a thing to add...

[true smelt]

Guys, how do I activate this in Debug mode?

[drifting shell]

Weird. Idk why mine won't calm down then

[heavy crown]

https://www.twitch.tv/retanaru/clip/SmellyDependableKuduYouWHY-b2Ypxux_E6crWh-M there may have been a slight overcorrection to risk-reward in point of interest balance.

[hallow sail]

Wtf

[drifting shell]

All those zombies for a medium handle and a wrench

[vague trench]

lol

maybe the guards ran away with the loot and left the prisoners!!

[forest shore]

...Unpopular but I always turn ammo at least up to abundant

[turbid gorge]

bro shoes breaking so quickly and just falling off is annoying

theres no notification or noise or anything that it happens so you only notice when suddenly your feet are bleeding and your walking is crippled

[regal spindle]

I think part of it is people are doing a lot more stomping now to mitigate the muscle strain

[wooden acorn]

nice... very cool...

[forest shore]

I only had that issue with shoes. Boots haven't broken on me yet.

[blazing finch]

They didn't before?

[heavy crown]

It isn’t about muscle strain tbqh especially after the nerf to the buildup.

The main reason to do it early days is to keep the condition on the 1-2 weapons you find for the first couple of days

[spare breach]

b-b-b-but that'd be too easy...!

seriously speaking though, you're right

some of the things in PZ are gatekept for little reason

[turbid gorge]

i dislike artificial unrealistic difficulty buffing

the hard part of a generator should be powering an entire house, easy part would be plugging a couple appliances in

so like powering a few lamps and stuff with extension cord and powerstrip

[blazing coral]

McDonald's menu also looks pretty in the pictures

[turbid gorge]

like i said im sure its worse than the photos but how mind-breakingly bad can they really be

people probs wouldnt buy them if they were so unpallatable you'd rather eat buckshot

[raw parcel]

they are bad also because the microwave ovens were bad

[turbid gorge]

early tv dinners you couldn't microwave they were on metal trays so you had to bake them in oven

[raw parcel]

unless your microwave oven had a grill function, any heating was horribly inconsistent

[turbid gorge]

most people in this game cook them in the oven too

[raw parcel]

idk i wasnt alive in the 50s, neither were my parents

[turbid gorge]

i wasnt either lmao

[raw parcel]

but in the 90s there were definitely some microwave ovens

tbh the depression thing as it relates to food is really overstated

i can eat things that qualify more as cattle feed than human consumption meals

without them tanking my well being

[blazing coral]

I mean, they shouldn't be worse than a rotting rat like you pointed earlier. But frozen dinners were kind of a staple of a depressing life in media

[turbid gorge]

sure but this is a zombie apocalypse im sure the death of billions of men women and children literally eaten alive would be a more prescient thing to be upset about

[raw parcel]

i agree

ultimately, the loss of all your loved ones would far overshadow any psychic consequence of food tasting bad

[turbid gorge]

pretty much

your life is basically over, everything is over

[raw parcel]

i typically run mods that disable depression for that reason

[turbid gorge]

you would probably be happy you get to eat old-world food at all

[blazing coral]

Kind of agree. Army food is known to affect morale. Maybe add a stoic trait to not get upset by minor stuff?

[sturdy wren]

they should add a freaky perk that disables mood negative from eating cockroaches

[regal spindle]

how happy you are about food is relative,y if your cold wet and miserable anything hot will be amazing

[hallow sail]

I say they should add lactose intolerance

[spare breach]

i dont mind the happiness debuffs some food gives. It makes sense to a degree, and food morale is a thing. I still remember eating really shitty meals back at school and it certainly didnt make me feel better lol

[sturdy wren]

it will be another one of them "literally free" perks

[raw parcel]

the difference is that army being a totalitarian institution, you don't necessarily choose what you eat; this element of choice is still present for zomboid survivors, albeit constrained by the apocalypse

[heavy crown]

I have never really hard problems managing unhappiness in zomboid

The penalties for it aren’t even that bad and it’s trivial to clear even with B42 loot tables

[sturdy wren]

i would be glad to eat army food

[raw parcel]

so i think the morale impact of food is lesser in our case

[regal spindle]

Rations are kinda designed to at least be familier to the troops, the most infamous rations were kindof outliers

[sturdy wren]

it genuinely sounds good to have the same food routine every day idk what people say about meal variety

[spare breach]

just read a book or cook one good meal and you're good

unhappiness is really only a problem if youre dealing with longterm stress ingame imo

[sturdy wren]

what was the cooking skill even for? what did it affect?

[spare breach]

wait, does stress impact unhappiness same with boredom?

[raw parcel]

cooking skill is nice because it creates calories and nutrients out of thin air

so it preserves your stores

[sturdy wren]

just eat zombies!!!!!

[raw parcel]

the reasoning being that a skilled cook can prepare food with much less waste than a complete beginner

[blazing coral]

Yeah, if you take the smoker trait and become stressed you get depressed really quickly

[raw parcel]

and depression makes your timed actions slower

but tbh in the apocalypse most of the effects of depression on one's own life are kind of moot

[heavy crown]

Yes. Smokers and Blood Fearers get depressed a lot more easily when the moodles aren’t being managed

[spare breach]

yep, hence why i asked. I dont take the smoker trait anymore because i deem it to be too much of a pain in the ass, especially now, when cigarettes are somehow even harder to find

[sturdy wren]

stress reduces damage and gives unhappiness when high enough i think

[raw parcel]

like, depressed people are less likely to enjoy a romantic relationship properly or to advance in their career

but in a zombie apocalypse theres few career prospects at all

only thing is suicide but i doubt that spontaneous self harm would be appreciated

[shell crystal]

hii, how can I made Stone Block?

[sturdy wren]

is there like literally any source of stress than being about to die, or being covered in blood/not smoking for 5 seconds with respective traits

[spare breach]

depressed people are less likely to keep going when it comes to anything honestly

say you've got your daily routine of things to do while surviving in the apocalypse; if you're feeling like there's no point in existing anymore, keeping up with those responsibilities is going to be a whole lot harder

[raw parcel]

yes exactly but the issue is that it's the character who is depressed, and, i assume, not the player
but the industriousness etc is entirely dependent on decisions made out of character, so to speak

thats why i dont think theres a satisfying way to implement and gamify depression to a meaningful degree

[spare breach]

definitely, but then it does make sense that the character is sort of more "sluggish" with their actions once that depression sets in

anyways yes it cant be perfected to 100%, as most mechanics

[raw parcel]

yeah the problem lies in the metric implemented to decide how well should a character feel

not all people feel the same way about the importance of good food

like, straight up burned or foul tasting food will revulse anyone

but sloppy food doesnt bother some people

[spare breach]

once subjectivity comes in play, all this falls apart, So while these mechanics need to be designed in a more objective way, and it may not be perfect, it is the best option we have

[fierce mountain]

Try transfering it when you grabbed it into your boot via the item at the bottom of your inventory called corpse. (Sorry for the late response if ya found a way already)

[raw parcel]

im just brainstorming here

i read somewhere that depression had an impact on physical performance

theres an idea that'll be real popular, your character can carry less when depressed

[blazing coral]

I think subjectivity would perfectly fit in traits

[raw parcel]

also i know for sure that depressed people report more illness

so if your char is depressed they get sick more easily

[spare breach]

the mental state of one's being can 100% affect them physically as well (in some way), but i wouldnt say you straight up get muscle atrophy from being depressed or anything even close to being that drastic of an effect

[raw parcel]

yeah but as you pointed out, the psychic element is very important, obviously not as much as somatic

[spare breach]

this i agree with

[spare breach]

the problem is that no matter what traits you pick, the "baseline" of your character is still more or less the same

[raw parcel]

depressed people also have worse sleep routines

theres really a number of game systems to play with if you really want to hit close to home

i wish i had time to mod

[spare breach]

I think the trait system we have is good enough, at most some traits will need to get buffed/nerfed + more traits should be added

what i deem problematic right now is the medical system because at times it makes zero sense

[raw parcel]

i dont know how to feel about the athletic smoker incompatibility

[spare breach]

ah yes, my character is in agony after getting 3 small scratches that were disinfected

[raw parcel]

ive certainly met smokers with above average lung capacity

[spare breach]

ah yes, i am about to bleed out from having my head scratched once

[raw parcel]

though i dont know if they qualify as "athletic"

[spare breach]

Scratch wounds in PZ should only be a minor inconvenience that barely gives you any pain but runs the risk of infection if not paid enough attention to, and infections themselves should be reworked

[raw parcel]

the pure randomness of scratch wounds is infuriating

[regal spindle]

Well, in zomboid terms I think when they say scratch they mean something that actually breaks skin, we're not talking about your cat accidentally scratchin you here

[spare breach]

a deep scratch wound is just a laceration

a scratch is a scratch. Its not life threatening, and it certainly doesnt bleed that hecking much as it does in pz

[regal spindle]

The wound and health system is one of those things that needs an overhaul one of these days anyways

[raw parcel]

their wording is off yeah

[spare breach]

It really does. I hope they will rework it in B43

[raw parcel]

a scratch to me evokes the image of a simple abrasion

[spare breach]

The way i see it, they could keep the existing wounds, but expand on the system by adding more tiers of the same wound, if that makes sense

[raw parcel]

i would start with adding wounds when you fall on pavement

[blazing coral]

what I mean is like the baseline would be like "an average person" or the cultural norm for the time and place and traits would let you deviate from that.

[raw parcel]

abrasions and contusions are a common result of falls

and they can feel very painful

they can infect though its pretty unlikely compared to open wounds

[blazing coral]

Once I tried to mod soap as a disinfectant and found the existing system really limited. Maybe they want to rework it first

[spare breach]

oh definitely but if you want traits like "not as picky when it comes to food, less vulnerable to unhappiness debuffs from eating" and other specific stuff like that, we'll need like 10-20 more traits anyway

so there's work to be done either way

[spare breach]

whats a contusion

[raw parcel]

bruising

[spare breach]

ohh right

[regal spindle]

One of the issues is that when playing on intended settings any wound from a zombie is a potential run ender, so the first aid system doesn't get a lot of play, and yanno, first aid barely actually does anything

[echo aurora]

🥲

[spare breach]

heence why i make it so only a bite can infect my char

[vague trench]

yoga

[raw parcel]

it can infect, some regions are more susceptible to that, overall it's unlikely but it's a zombie apoc

[blazing coral]

definetly. My point was that the trait system would be the perfect place to put this instead of trying to balance the game to a point where nobody finds something that doesn't make sense to them (which is impossible)

[regal spindle]

a start but the potential for that random zombie related injury to be a bite still makes it so you'll never level up first aid

[raw parcel]

what it very often does though is limit movement

[spare breach]

first aid is lackluster anyway and needs to be made into a more useful skill, probably something that could come with the rework of the medical system

[raw parcel]

with our character doing carpentry, fixing up cars, and running all over the place, theres definitely room to implement these injuries

you could snag your finger with some machinery, bruise your hand making fire

[turbid gorge]

why is rosewood fire station full of like... zombie loot or some shit instead of like... firefighter stuff

[spare breach]

lmfao wtf

[raw parcel]

fuck they killed the best loot table in the game

[heavy crown]

Loot's just fucked

[regal spindle]

I found like, 1 dull fireaxe in there once, it feels a little targeted since tahts the traditional noobie loot spot

[spare breach]

wrong, ive found loads of crowbars, axes and mechanical stuff there

[blazing coral]

28 days later is a zombie movie with infection by bodily fluids and the idea is damn terrifying

[turbid gorge]

i wanted an axe or something

[spare breach]

the loot pools are a bit too unpredictable rn, possibly

[regal spindle]

I did find myself breaking into police armories and finding sweet FA

[raw parcel]

maybe they tried modeling large scale looting but this doesn't explain jewelry in a fire station's tool cabinet

[turbid gorge]

look at this shit bro???

[quick acorn]

gas mask and respirator filters are werid and knee pads don't go to the right knee, where would i send that?

[raw parcel]

especially since that building has several locker rooms and a washroom for these wares

[turbid gorge]

this looks like zombie loot table

[spare breach]

i think abrasions and scratches could be dangerous due to their potential to give you a infection if youre generally dirty, bruises would increase your pain moodle, (more than abrasions at least), and the more major injuries such as burns/lacerations should have multiple tiers of severity

blood loss needs to be seriously tweaked, etc

[regal spindle]

blood loss is super location dependent

[raw parcel]

infection is only a real risk if theres large hematomas or it's some region that sees a lot of contact like hands, face etc

[halcyon hollow]

Does anyone else have the same problem:
When first loading (first time after world creation), character can perform all animations (search upper/middle/lower container)
But after loading an existing save (the same world) these animations are no longer playing anymore and the only one left is search middle container. Forever, bc the world isn't new anymore. (Build 41 is affected too)

Idk why it bothers me. I just like different animations when interacting with fridge or freezer or desk and so on

[spare breach]

correct but dont tell me you'd bleed out from a minor scratch to your head or neck unless you have blood coagulation problems lol

[regal spindle]

I don't know if infection is still toothless, I think I saw a sandbox option to make it damage you at least

[raw parcel]

just implement a human immunodeficiency virus trait that makes zombification 100% on any zombie contact

and leave the rest of us alone

[spare breach]

"Former reddit admin" trait

gives 5 in electrical, 4 strenght 3 fitness

[fierce mountain]

Sounds like the survivors houses are where you will need to hit now.

If those are empty then yeah it needs a reconsideration

[spare breach]

it also depends when did H Bomba start their PZ run

i usually start day one

[vague trench]

i been finding lots of good loot in survivior houses mainly like recipes for stuff

[regal spindle]

Survivor houses if they still exist have some false positives, I poked through some boarded up houses, one looked like a meth lab and had fuck all in it

[raw parcel]

not even cans of soda?

[keen gorge]

There are some false positives mixed in yeah

[vague trench]

last two i have found and thats just on apoc settings

[spare breach]

ive found only liek 1 survivor house (and no annotated maps) and all it had was one blacksmithing schematic

[vague trench]

which is nice because in 41 they were butt i never bothered going into those houses lol

[regal spindle]

what kind of font is that

[spare breach]

are annotated maps gone?

[vague trench]

the one in accessibility lol

[regal spindle]

thats supposed to be more readable?

[keen gorge]

Pretty hard to read

[vague trench]

on my monitor with the font size its fine

[turbid gorge]

where do i find a generator mag in rosewood

[spare breach]

ive yet to find an annotated map so im assuming that they removed them

[raw parcel]

school, library, lawyer office

[keen gorge]

Survivor zeds have them

[raw parcel]

anywhere that has a bookshelf

[vague trench]

yah i find them on survivior ones

more incentive when you see specific zomber to go murder them now

[raw parcel]

theres like 3 or 4 bookshelves in the law offices on the main street, ppl sleep on it

[spare breach]

me: proceeds to dismantle every electrical device in rosewood to get to lvl 3 electrical instead like a boss

[keen gorge]

Anything you think might be valuable are more likely to spawn in on those survivor homes/zombies

So schematics, recipes, annonated maps, magazines, etc

[visual trail]

cell to cell, before it was in-cell

redistribute hours, now you have that + cell-to-cell

[brazen jetty]

what does "si" on steamdb depots stands for?

[forest shore]

I have a much easier time reading it. There's some weird voodoo science behind it. But I don't like how it looks so I don't use it lol

[raw parcel]

is there an ophtalmologist in knox country? my char has cataract

[spare breach]

am i the only one who really likes the idea of post-apocalyptic vehicle tuning? i.e. welding metal sheets on your vehicle to make it more durable, sacrificing mobility

[keen gorge]

That's supposedly coming out vanilla

[forest shore]

No - I love that idea and it's planned for us to armor vehicles in Vanilla in the future. Who knows when though.

[spare breach]

hell yeah

[raw parcel]

i just dont hit things with my car

[forest shore]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle#Planned_vehicles

[keen gorge]

Main mechanics and hit everything

[spare breach]

its really temping, i already shredded through one of my heavy duty hoods and had to steal another from a different vehicle

[forest shore]

Just hit everything with the livestock trailer instead.

[spare breach]

the rosewood highway has so many zombs its almost impossible not to hit one

[raw parcel]

years of driving in top-down gta etched my brain with the muscle memory requisite for pz driving

[spare breach]

besides, i need to go rob that gas station

[turbid gorge]

yeah, standardized vehicle upgrades will be out in a few days probs

the creator was showing it off in b42 on his discord

[forest shore]

Finally

[spare breach]

i meant vanilla. I'm willing to wait till like B44 for that stuff

[raw parcel]

theres a wonderful mod called filibuster's rhyme used cars

[forest shore]

I wonder if he changed the crafting to use the vanilla crafting mechanics.

[raw parcel]

he has an alpha version of the mod going for B42, cant really divulge details but go find out more on his discord

[turbid gorge]

the lengths some people go to avoid mods are madness to me

[fierce mountain]

they are about

[spare breach]

:C why

[sturdy wren]

They were kinda useless

[raw parcel]

especially when the vehicles in vanilla look so soviet

[spare breach]

It is difficult to fully explain. I simply try to avoid unofficial stuff, it makes the game experience less special if the mechanics are implemented by a third party

[turbid gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-gif-9201553

people avoiding mods be like

[keen gorge]

Have too many mods and troubleshooting becomes a nightmare

[raw parcel]

i mostly mod because of aesthetics

so theres few if any mechanics changes

[sturdy wren]

Lots of zombies here doesn't quite tell anything when everything has a lots of zombies

[fierce mountain]

Like others said survivor zombies Change the settings in your next run via sandbox custom.

[edgy kiln]

i had like 200 mods in b41 and didnt get any errors

[sturdy wren]

Mods absolutely nuke fps for some reason

[spare breach]

I dont get it, what do you mean?

[sturdy wren]

I tried to play modded with a friend it was unplayable

[fierce mountain]

next world instead of apocalypse do a custom sandbox to change world settings. Remember to maybe test a few to get a feel of what you prefer

[spare breach]

? Are you saying they nuked the default spawn settings for the annotated maps?

[forest shore]

Longest run in a long time and I still have a ton of stuff I want to do 😄

[fierce mountain]

new build new stuff not the same as build 41

[keen gorge]

He probably means to tune up your sandbox settings so survivor zeds spawn more. Annotated maps, as far as I can see, seem to only spawn in either on survivor zeds or within survivor homes

No more hunting them in bookshelves

[sturdy wren]

I would love to play b42 but the game doesn't work and even then apparently optimisation has been nuked

[spare breach]

ah ok, wish i woudlve known that earlier. I cant really change the loot spawns for my ongoing run if ive already started it, huh?

[opaque schooner]

Wdym the game doesn’t work

[keen gorge]

I'm pretty sure you can debug then mess with your sandbox settings on an ongoing game

[sturdy wren]

Black screen on boot

[turbid gorge]

the game runs much better for me esp when driving fast

[opaque schooner]

Try going into the settings file and turning off full screen

[spare breach]

i'm scared i'll mess something up with my world lmao
Probably a good idea to keep this in mind for the next time im making a character

[turbid gorge]

if you wanted b41 to buttchugg drive fast at night time in a populated city's roads with heavy rainfall

[spare breach]

guess i didnt look in the sandbox settings hard enough

[sturdy wren]

unrelated, old amd card

[turbid gorge]

your game will turn into a slideshow

[opaque schooner]

Why not try at least

[sturdy wren]

Because i did

[opaque schooner]

Oh man

[sturdy wren]

I've reset fiddled with and removed my user/zomboid

[fierce mountain]

known bug you have to wait it was a unexpected issue

if ya have a old amd gpu

[sturdy wren]

and my friend who had the game run at 60 in b41 reports single digit fps when zoomed out

[keen gorge]

There's a lot of infinite glitches going around

Seems like there's an infinite watch disassembly fresh out of the oven too

[opaque schooner]

The game runs pretty much the same

[fierce mountain]

In what area of the world?

[sturdy wren]

muldraugh multiple spawn points

[opaque schooner]

I could imagine some lag with the 360 degree vision mod

[true smelt]

Mod?

[turbid gorge]

universal vehicle upgrades but its not out yet for 42

its great tho you can run over zombies without your car breaking down

[sturdy wren]

Isn't it not nearly as good considering roads are supposed to be way less populated

[fierce mountain]

Mauldraugh has a lot more condensed zombies now. They are likely rendering a lot more zombies now. It is more optimised but there are also a larger amount of zombies in areas. Tell them to turn off some of the graphics settings and largest zoom distance to see if that helps.

[sturdy wren]

I'll see for myself when the hotfix comes out

[true smelt]

Is it a MOD then? sorry I don't understand yet haha

[keen gorge]

The rabbits and rats are deadly

At least to your car's condition

[fierce mountain]

It wont be until Janurary for the AMD fix at least I presume. Its for unsupported AMD gpus (as in they didnt get recent AMD updates)

[sturdy wren]

I will honestly never think of zomboid the same now that animals sre a thing

[sturdy wren]

Yes my amd card is legacy for 4 years

[fierce mountain]

When was your card released originally?

[sturdy wren]

2013 I believe

[fierce mountain]

I suggest you try to upgrade next year. Lots has changed since 2013.

[forest shore]

Doesn't seem we can make ice cream. Chop chop modders

[sturdy wren]

Sorry just woke up from a coma last week

[turbid gorge]

yes its a mod its just not updated yet to b42

[turbid gorge]

still you can use your car as an offensive weapon lol

[sturdy wren]

I don't get how people keep upgrading their pc setups constantly but it genuinely just does the job for 90% of the stuff

[true smelt]

Thank you dude 🫡

[turbid gorge]

i dont like that horde over there, ill run them all over

https://tenor.com/view/video-game-gif-4576512

i wish zombies had ragdoll physics with cars

[sturdy wren]

I've only upgraded my computer when the HDD and ram died

[fierce mountain]

I only upgraded after 8 years this year. My machine was starting to fail I had to upgrade.

[sturdy wren]

yeah, mine isn't failing a bit just yet

hopefully will last until silksong

[fierce mountain]

It might need retiring from gaming though sadly.

[turbid gorge]

can these be used with masonry?

[sturdy wren]

no, not really

It runs most fun games well

[fierce mountain]

Alright its your choice either way. Processing power and how games are done has changed a lot in 11 years. Anyhow best to move back to zomboid talk.

[sturdy wren]

I'm hyped for the fix i suppose

[ember elbow]

afaik those are still just furniture props

[turbid gorge]

i hope they change that

so you can loot building materiels from construction sites and hardware stores and stuff, a home depot type place would be fantastic for this game

[ember elbow]

yeah, wooden pallet is already in so you can just make a crafting recipe for removing/adding bricks to a pallet

[turbid gorge]

that stuff would massively speed up masonry

god i hope dogs come in quick that will def be fun

they did show us dogs before actually they just never made it into the release

https://tenor.com/view/zomboid-dog-gif-15735278909360391194

skinwalker dogs lmao

[ember elbow]

i love my dog Dogmeat and his ability to withstand a direct nuclear fission impact

[turbid gorge]

the main thing id hope for them is being able to participate in combat AT ALL

grab zombies leg and yank them over or something, or at least run around distracting them

[spare breach]

is there a limit on how many times you can sharpen a blade on a specific weapon? seems it is not giving me a prompt anymore despite my machete being dull...

[sturdy wren]

The Knox disease doesn't affect animals, yes?

[opaque schooner]

I hope we get a mod for it, but no

[turbid gorge]

same

[raw parcel]

military rounded up and killed dogs

[turbid gorge]

it seems they did implement framework for animals being violent as bulls can attack you

[raw parcel]

and a deer attacked a hunter

so it seems zoonosis is afoot

[turbid gorge]

i for one would actually like zombie animals

so i do hope it's a mod

imagine encountering a fucking zombie bear

[forest shore]

I almost died because I didn't realize my dude ran out of water lmfao

[raw parcel]

a zombie bear seems barely more dangerous than a regular bear

[turbid gorge]

a bear that doesn't bleed to death

[raw parcel]

youre in the forest alone, as a female survivor, would you rather

[turbid gorge]

so you either have to pierce its 8 inch thick skull or be eaten alive

[raw parcel]

a zombie bear or a male zombie

[latent zinc]

Is leveling maintenance 0-1 impossible in b42? Any tips

[turbid gorge]

the human easily lmao

a zombie bear will probably be able to run and climb trees still

[ember elbow]

hit stuff with stuff that doesn't break. don't have slow learner

[raw parcel]

but the human zombie may be misogynistic

[turbid gorge]

that shit is so weird to me like the bear has 50 50 shot of eating you the dude has like a 2% chance of being malevolent lmao

it could be a forest ranger looking for poachers

[raw parcel]

2% is probably an order of magnitude off

unless i missed an epidemics of sexual assault on trails

tbh

[frozen wyvern]

What the hell are we talking about

[raw parcel]

as far as research is concerned, zombie animals would be a boon

as the ethics of experimenting on animals are far less complicated than (former) humans

so we'd be able to get a cure out faster

[forest shore]

I think it's affected by your skill level and the whetstone itself

[spare breach]

my maintenance level?

makes sense though

[raw parcel]

there was no hope for sunlight, this is how you taped a flashlight to your head

[forest shore]

I was joking about the gas can of milk but... It's actually the most effecient container for it I own lmfao

[forest shore]

Yep that one. But I'm not positive.

[digital cloud]

anyone know why i spawned with 12 slots but after reconnecting only have 8?? i have 0 moodles

[brazen jetty]

what does "si" on steamdb depots stands for?

[hallow adder]

Need more context. What do you mean by spawning with 12 slots? And reconnecting?

[hallow adder]

standard integration?

[vague trench]

i cant wait for steamdeckers

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah zomboid on the Deck is awesome

[forest shore]

No clue but it's the devs internal build that they update most.

[real fox]

has anyone fiddled with increasing lighting updates in graphics?

[forest shore]

For some reason it never occured to me until now.. To just cook my food in bulk

[pallid hinge]

That what we started doing on my B41 server, and had a little cafeteria area that had ready made meals so people could just pull them out of the freezer

Pop em in a microwave and enjoy

[keen gorge]

Combat maintenance is slow now. Crafting is where the real gains for maintenance are at

[forest shore]

Crap I need sand..

[latent zinc]

But you can’t really craft anything until level 1 yeah?

[pallid hinge]

Yea it took me roughly 731 zombies to get level 1 maintenance skill

[hallow adder]

I need to find lots of booze, so I can be like this dude.

https://tenor.com/view/falling-down-stairs-bruh-drunk-gif-21485526

[autumn pier]

I’m taking all containers I can find

Tin cans, glass bottles, pots, etc

Putting water in them

[forest shore]

Where the heck am I supposed to find sand specifically.

[autumn pier]

Got 32 L of fresh water reserves (not counting my sinks and other stuff)

But it comes around 180 L of water

Plenty to last me so that I can then build my own collectors

[keen gorge]

Tool shops

I actually never wondered. Can you dig up sand?

[autumn pier]

Probably

Or at least you should be able to

[pallid hinge]

You could in B41

[forest shore]

You can dig sand, but I can't find any sand tiles.

[turbid gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-gif-21644488

[autumn pier]

No muscle strain? 🤨

[viral oak]

I'm using mods, but a question is this reference officially in build 42 or is it from a mod I'm using that I don't know.

[digital cloud]

12 pounds if storage in my main inv

and after i left and rejoined my solo

[autumn pier]

You should check what the mod adds first

[woven beacon]

Check gas stations, go around the whole map looting them all

[hallow adder]

Report a bug if you can.

[woven beacon]

Not a garuntee but the loot table is less diluted with useless books

[pallid hinge]

Pretty much!

[keen gorge]

Keep in mind that they only accept vanilla bug reports rn

[real fox]

https://tenor.com/view/been-through-war-gif-14804550298263605778

[woven beacon]

While you do that check every electrical maintanence location too

[autumn pier]

I believe you can use generators at level 3 electrical btw

[woven beacon]

They're little cube buildings with a fence around them

[autumn pier]

Or connect them at least

[real fox]

or if you find a skill magazine that teaches you

[pallid hinge]

The relay stations?

[real fox]

i got sooo lucky finding one

[pallid hinge]

Never considered those

[keen gorge]

Survivor zeds

[woven beacon]

Nah they're 9x9 or 7x7 tile buildings with a barbed chain link fence and a pole gate

[keen gorge]

Honestly all of my generator mags at 42 are coming from them

[woven beacon]

You find them occasionally on the roads that have power lines

And in towns

[vague trench]

yah i been finding them in vehicles that would have that kind of stuff

[pallid hinge]

Yea pretty sure those are power relay stations

[woven beacon]

They really need to increase its spawn rate tho

Its pretty essential, and with the loot table diluted its almost impossible to find before the power runs out