Build 42 Unstable Out Now

[lament star]

There are ways to distract now, firecrackers

[pallid hinge]

I haven't found any firecrackers yet 😱

[vapid trail]

they spawn at gas stations

[pallid hinge]

I am living above the gas station in Echo Creek! I will keep looking though, thanks for the heads up.

[sly pivot]

Better because no TAA

[vapid trail]

same! btw theres a bigass gunstore just up the road

[hallow sail]

which way up the road...

[pallid hinge]

The shooting range? I have been trying to clear it out, but I fear it keeps getting over run

[vapid trail]

yea, theres like bazillion zeds, its practically impossible in early-middle game

[pallid hinge]

I gathered up the majority of the zombies via shouting and luring but migration happened and they all rushed back lol

[vapid trail]

oh, i didnt account for the luring tactic. I think i should try it

[hallow sail]

getting electrical skill is harder than ever

[pallid hinge]

it's been my main tactic for getting into really populated areas so far, seems to work pretty well

[sly pivot]

I wonder what topic I'll bring up in my next message

[wild oak]

im so excited for build 4 to release in september of 2013, cant wait!!!

[hallow sail]

what is TAA?

[pallid hinge]

Temporal AntiAliasing

[glacial haven]

is this the one with two pumps outfront? damn thing was out of gas when I got there 😭

[sly pivot]

Hey you said it for me and so did ecn, anyway. It would be awesome if we could disable this TAA right? (you have to say yes) (good job, and yes)

[hallow sail]

i think i heard someone else talk about it. is it like a blurring? also yes

[pallid hinge]

Yea that is the one! One of the pumps was pretty close to empty for me, the other is still going strong (I still have power so I have been filling every empty can I get with fuel because I have yet to find How To Generators Mag)

[opaque schooner]

We got anti aliasing now?

[sly pivot]

yeah it isnt awful or anything, i just much prefer it off. Should definitely have a toggle as im sure some people like it

[glacial haven]

oh cool. It's a pretty good spot ngl. There's a massive chicken farm to the east/south down the main road

[pallid hinge]

I think @sly pivot has a before and after photo somewhere?

[opaque schooner]

I’m really not a fan of it either, is there anyway to hard disable it in the client files?

[hallow sail]

I FOUND COWS

[sly pivot]

unfortunately not, but its super obvious
i went back to b41 and it was soo crisp compared to 42

[pallid hinge]

I swear I saw someone post one yesterday, must have been someone else Edit: found it #1318684957526458450 message

[opaque schooner]

I’m gonna go into the game files later today and see if I can disable it

[sly pivot]

Ive looked around, theres no easy way to turn it off probably something the devs would have to do

[pallid hinge]

left is 41, right is 42

[pallid hinge]

Been doing a lot of driving around checking things out 😄

[wild oak]

am i stupidity or something

[sly pivot]

doesnt look quite as extreme here, I play on a 1440p monitor its super obvious there (on my laptop rn) edit: also compression, you really need to see it ingame

[subtle tendon]

mac support :(

[glacial haven]

wew

[jade haven]

Is this the abandoned orphanage? Where is it on the map?

[sly pivot]

the blur also gets worse as you zoom out pretty drastically, like the guy said it feels awfully plastic

[subtle tendon]

im going to play mac anyway >:)

[cedar nest]

Man of Mystery

[sly pivot]

I shall now slumber, I will speak of TAA again tomorrow, and the next day, probably the day after that

[vague trench]

lmao

[dim venture]

first thing i looked at right as i sapwned into a new world nice

[pallid hinge]

lucky! 🥹

[dim venture]

ayo the car outside with gas

[vocal sentinel]

Anyone found the western town yet?

[bleak gyro]

is plumbing broken

[peak spear]

Is it possible to put dead zombies into vehicles? If not, this very much needs to be added so that we can load up a bunch of bodies into a truck to drop them all off at one place.

[pallid hinge]

which one, there is three

[tired hill]

imagine you're on a multiplayer server and you see a truck drive by with like 30 corpses in the back :o

[vague trench]

no

[vocal sentinel]

I found one of them the one they showed in the dev blogs

[subtle tendon]

i just cooked bacon in mac edition

[peak spear]

Yeah? What's that got to do with multiplayer?

[vague trench]

wtf lmao

[opaque schooner]

Are you becoming John zomboid

[autumn pier]

One small step for nonexistant ram, one giant leap for slop devices

[subtle tendon]

i used the "pick up" gui to see what tiles im on/ near, so i found white tiles and saw a fridge with bacon, then i found a oven and put bacon in

im just getting started 😈

[pallid hinge]

Ohhh Wood Saw and Hack Saw are different now? It makes sense, but just wild to me lol.

[neat saffron]

Which honestly kinda sucks, because of how much more important it is now for... literally any and everything

[pallid hinge]

yarr

[wild oak]

isnt it possible to modify specific skill xp gain

[pallid hinge]

I am doing an apoc run so I can give feedback on what they consider default settings, rather than changing things

[wild oak]

no i mean like is there, been on apoc too so i havent had time to check the settings

[wet timber]

i wonder when there'll be a wilderness map mod for b42

[pallid hinge]

ahh yea fair, first thing I did when it went live was was look at the custom sandbox settings. But yes custom XP rates per skill is available

[velvet egret]

probably no need. They either have or will implement an all-wilderness map soon

[pallid hinge]

hopefully they release the new mapping tools soon - I want to mess with them, one of the things I want to do is make a wilderness map

[neat saffron]

Same here

One thing i found, personally, idk if youd agree but

The default loot settings of rare are... too rare in some parts?

Specifically, Tools, Materials and Books IMO

There are ALOT of those in the game now.
With the default settings having to contend only being able to fish maybe 2-5 max out of this huge pool of options, so you end up with... very little of any actual use

Speaking on Books- Most Recipes i find to be very superfluous and if anything, just a nuissance. Improvised Armors, Improvised weaponry, Improvised etc etc.

And you cant make any of them, because they need recipes which are hard and rare to find- in part because of what i mentioned above

So you cannot make these really cool and creative items, and by the time you CAN?

You got better items and means to fix them, so they become very redundant.

[velvet egret]

I’ve found tools, materials, and recipe magazines in garbage bags (trash cans and bins + dumpsters) so that probably influences their rarity in other loot tables

[pallid hinge]

SO I am a little torn by it because in B41 I was a extreamly rare loot player so this still feels like a lot of loot, however I know a lot of people don't like that and aren't used to finding nothing. There is a lot more items in the game now so it kind of makes sense things we used to find all the time would be rarer.

I was looking at the crafting and yea on one hand it seems like you maybe shouldn't be able to see all these things that you can't craft yet due to not having the recipe. But on the otherhand (I run a server for friends who are new to the game so I get asked a lot of questions) it is nice letting newer players be able to see possibilities of things they might want to do in the future.

I feel like yea they might seem redundant but a lot of it is for the future when things start breaking down, or if you are doing a run that is as an example wilderness based it would makes sense to be able to fix them. Options are always good, but you can overwhelm a player (especially new) with too many.

[neat saffron]

Alot of options i find to be on the opposite.
Various types of armor that are great on day 1 but the moment you get set up and find armor in the wild, become wasteful dreg.

And by the time said future comes, i got a house stocked up with 10 machetes, Axes, a dozen guns and a pile of ammo, a huge variety of armor i found while looting, etc

So at that point, its just useless.

Its also things that are... Very simple to make? Like wrapping a baseball bat with barbed wire or picking out a stone to whet with.

[velvet marsh]

I do like playing with extremely rare loot too, but i also welcome the change of the game meta. Yeah, most people packing up their stuff and leaving will leave little behind. They'd probably leave "non-essential" like books and misc things. And yeah, killing zombies who were once human with varying levels of strength, memory, and stages of rot is going to be really hard and take the wind out of your sails pretty quickly.

[forest shore]

The devs are planning on adding a years later start iirc so in that case those improvised weapons will likely play a bigger role.

[neat saffron]

And you will come to find, im sure, that by then you have no use for them.

[vague trench]

see i have a hard time living past a couple weeks lol so leveling skills is a issue for me so ill probably have to tinkle with those xp things or play on a lower difficulty

[pallid hinge]

Unless they changed the way bite/scratch protection works then armour is all about the drip imo, I want to roll around in that bone armor, seems sick as heck

[ember elbow]

change nothing but muscle strain accumulation + weapon multi-hit being turned on and play with that for a while, makes a massive difference

[neat saffron]

why would i bother making a gas mask when a respirator is found after scrounging through a few garages

why would i bother finding recipes for making an axe, when i can just find one after looking for an hour or so

especially because by the time i find either recipe, i have a dozen of said items that are better than the craftable equivalent.

The Recipes just withhold creativity and starting options that are good for getting a foot into the apocalypse IMO.

[pallid hinge]

A lot of it is for MP servers, they want servers to idealy last for around 80ish years without wipes (that is their end goal) - so at some point you won't be finding things and have to rely on crafting things. eventually we will have human NPCs that will take loot too, and that means there will be less things for you to horde (or make you more of a target). it is future proofing their builds so they don't have to redo things later on I think

[lament star]

It’s also for b43. Eventually, with npcs, loot will be a lot rarer, so you gotta make your own. You could maybe also have npcs make some parts for you

[pallid hinge]

exactly

[vague trench]

its just me being a dingleberry and putting myself in silly situations completely a me issue not the game lol.. and im playing default apoc for unstable feedback stuffs other than some other changes, usually i use multihit but i like the way combat feels now so i have been keeping it off .

[ember elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-skill-issue-gif-21690747

[vague trench]

I think it also dependent on where im living too, i noticed i live longer in the country but right now im in muldrag being bullied and pushed into the forest by zombers

[ember elbow]

yeah, muldraugh + west point are tough towns

[pallid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/slam-uga-uga-caveman-forest-metal-gif-16077726

[vague trench]

theyre not gonna win this time me my rat turds and 4 chicken corpses gonna take it back

[low wharf]

fucking love how every single track has low-mid-high systems now

[neat saffron]

I believe removing the need for recipes would very very much help with that alot more

More people could build necessary items and as is a very common theme for multiplayer servers, people hoard things. Especially recipes like these.

So they will grow rare and needlessly so, making longevity alot harder for new players. Thinking on those points alone, i am firmly pro recipe-requirement removal

[glad pawn]

muldraugh Pd was a 8 hour long battle

[turbid gorge]

what the fuck is blocked formatting

[pallid hinge]

mmm possibly - the problem I have seen in other games like Rust as an example, they did away with the recipe system (blueprints) and you would see people in the highest tier gear within the first hour blasting new players away on the first day of a wipe. They ended up bringing it back because of that reason, though modified quite a bit. Granted this isn't a pvp game at it's core (even though there seems to be quite a few servers that run pvp), but it has some parallel's I think.

I am not against it, but maybe there is a better way of doing it (they already have it so if you are a high enough level the recipe is moot as you will know how to make it just based through knowledge/skill)

They also want to make it so not every player is a jack of all trades type, and have people really specialize and recipes help do that.

[ember elbow]

you can forage for all recipes in b41 already, the point isn't to make as few obstacles as possible to becoming a god, the point is that you have to actually try

[neat saffron]

... You can?

[pallid hinge]

Yea that too, my brother recently foraged a How To Generators mag in B41

[ember elbow]

you can literally just find all the recipe magazines through foraging, i've found generator mag, herbalist, bunch of the recipes, even some modded mags like solar when i added them in. unironically a skill issue

[neat saffron]

You could always find those.
Im referring to the schematics for stuff like barbed wire weapons and improvised gas masks, etc.

[ember elbow]

yeah they'll likely either just do that with schematics or make it so there's trial-and-error creation mechanics for figuring out how to make recipes lol. it is literally day 2 of an unstable build with the largest crafting overhaul the game has ever had and you're just demanding they quit all of it because it annoys you personally

[neat saffron]

No?
what the hell are you actually strawmaning about
I'm giving feedback to the system they asked us to specifically give feedback on.
I'm bringing up something i find to be a problem with balancing with a detailed explanation on how and why i find it to be an issue. Just as we should.

[severe egret]

Just picturing a caveman RP on a wilderness map foraging a bush and finding a manual on repairing and operating diesel generators

[wet timber]

LOL

[normal python]

Guys where can I find camping equipment? I’ve been looking for hours

[vague trench]

Happen to know where you are? I just found some tents around muldrag

[pallid hinge]

Recipes build scarcity which could add to the economy and social aspects of a server, as an example in classic world of Warcraft on a fresh realm if you are a blacksmith and you are able to get the lionheart helm recipe, everyone is coming to you to craft it - this allows you to either do it for tips or do it for a fee, adds social dynamics. And the thing they seem to be basing their crafting system on is Star Wars Galaxies which has a similar parts system - this allowed (for example) certain folks to build the best blaster or speeder and you had to go to them to be able to get it.

In SP I could see you being able to talk to NPCs and then telling you that you gotta visit this blacksmith at this location (marking on your map maybe?) the be able to get your highest quality claw hammers, and then you make journey l, which adds story to your game.

[neat saffron]

From someone thats spent 3 years playing MP:

No it absolutely does not noone trades this stuff theyd rather kill someone than do that.

SEVERE Loot goblin issues in this community.

[normal python]

I was in Ekron, and I knew about the campsites that were already there, but I was just wondering what buildings have a decent chance of tents spawning in.

[pallid hinge]

When people are pushed to specialize it is more likely - plus not ever server is pvp as I said. Most of the servers I have played on were pve, most of them were community driven (especially the permadeath ones)

[neat saffron]

I played alot of RP

People are severe fiends for their recipes and will not share them.

Also still, im not talking about schematics for a sword, im talking about schematics for welding an orange soda bottle to your face with glue and a respirator filter or banging a can to your stick.

[opaque schooner]

Do yk any good rp servers that might potentially last into the so called alexandria years?

[heady field]

has anyone found the blacksmith cabin location? I stumble upon it on apocalypse mode so Idk where its exact location (maps arent known from start)

what I remember is that I entered several fence door before seeing the cabin, like 3 fence iirc

[pallid hinge]

You could always try the army surplus store if it is still there, it always used to have tents and other camping stuff

[heady field]

I died after dealing low dmg due to the muscles giving up when I try to kill the horde xD

[frozen wyvern]

Had my first proper death to a zombie fence lunge lol

Mt character took literal ages to get up and got bit, which feels different than 41 haha

[neat saffron]

Hmmm youre gonna have to wait for that until B42s mp releases im afraid

Which im sure will lead to a huge quasi renaissance

[quick temple]

Might wanna check Deadline, if ya havent.

[keen gorge]

Anybody know of static forge/furnace locations?

[pallid hinge]

Apparently McCoy Estate has one

[keen gorge]

Great. I get off work in an hour. Pretty pumped to try out blacksmithing

[vocal sentinel]

One thing I’ve learned from the release of b42 is now if you go to some town or just go out with your car and say I’ll loot whatever I find. Is how you die every time. If you don’t have a plan you are going to die it’s very interesting to see

[pallid hinge]

I've been trying to clean up this shooting range for days with no success no matter how many I kill or lure away there is always a ton more

[cosmic yoke]

praying 4 someone to update the only cure to b42 🙏🙏 my character just got bit on the handdddd

[frozen wyvern]

Hehe mine did too. He died like a man 🧟‍♂️

[mild atlas]

happy emoji i made in the old moodle artstyle

[severe egret]

Legacy moodle mod inbound already lol

[pallid hinge]

There is like 3 or 4 of them already lol xD

[dusk echo]

Can you lose smoker?

[severe egret]

But of course 😆.. man 60 sec slowmode is rough

[mild atlas]

im making my own new textures for b42 moodles. the most popular moodle mod just has the current moodles in the old artstyle, but the new moodles reactions are just fundamentally flawed

[severe egret]

Im still yet to understand how this new panic stuff works. From what i could tell panic is basically split across two new moodles right?

[pallid hinge]

@mild atlas that is awesome 🙂 keep it up! @severe egret yea it is actually pretty frustrating, hoping they make slowmode less aggressive soon.

[mild atlas]

wait the mod updated nvm, all the textures are done in that mod and they look good

[ember elbow]

is anyone aware if there's a b42 mod to revert keys to weightless? kind of awful having them have weight when there's still no way to know specifically which ones you want to keep

[pallid hinge]

I haven't seen one - but if I do I will let you know - in the mean time you can name keys

[wet timber]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3386513545

[ember elbow]

thanks - the naming is nice, but it just takes one instance of forgetting which key it is and then i'm sitting there for ten minutes manually binary searching a keyring to figure out which key i want and then have to figure out which key i want to drop and it's just so much tedium
e: god bless you, hopefully that will just work

[pallid hinge]

Awesome, good catch! meme_amazed.jpg - lol

[dim venture]

btw muscle strain at .3 seems to be a sweet spot

should be around like 50 swings

[regal spindle]

you can name keys now by the way, and probably should if you ever want to keep track of that mess

[pallid hinge]

Found a bench anvil in a basement

[dim venture]

lucky, i swear finding stones is like diamonds it feels

[umbral gate]

Is there some official place for us to leave feedback on B42?

[ebon maple]

Personal opinion, old moodle icons was better

[pallid hinge]

The forums I believe

[hybrid frost]

Is the workshop getting a 42 tag anytime soon?

[ember elbow]

if previous betas are anything to go by, when it's past the heavy bug-fixing phase and when MP gets re-enabled

[pallid hinge]

technically has one already https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=108600&browsesort=toprated&section=readytouseitems&requiredtags[]=build 42

[hybrid frost]

That's rad. How did you do that?

[pallid hinge]

Found something recently updated, example being Common Sense mod, and clicked the Build 42 tag

[dim venture]

people are faster than i thought especially big mods

[pallid hinge]

Doesn't take much to get them up and running, it is just changing a filepath. And if they are active mod devs (like Braven) they will be on the ball with it

[dim venture]

yeah true some dont need any changes. but also some seem redundant especially "I dont need a lighter" being updated but its already in vanilla now

[ember elbow]

TIS was adamant that the 41>42 transition would be less painful than the 40>41 transition, and that turned out to be basically true, modders just had to check if their mod got broken by the update and otherwise just put it in the respective folder
the real test will be when multiplayer gets re-enabled and everyone has to double check if their shit works in MP properly

[pallid hinge]

cats confirmed?

[severe egret]

Kinda nutty that picking smoker still dont start you with any smokes

[sturdy wren]

Been for a while

[hybrid frost]

I'm not seeing mods that have been updated in game

[dim venture]

cuz u have to resubscribe

[sturdy wren]

Also allegedly for some reason we start with a gun? Is this true?

[flat phoenix]

I’m glad the aiming system got changed

[ember elbow]

you get an m9, 5 mags, and a box of ammo to play around with the new aiming system. it's absolutely nicer than the old system but you're not going to get shit-all done without starter aiming levels on a pistol still

[pallid hinge]

correct, they want us to test the new gun system (there is a popup with a bunch of text at the start of your run/whenever you load in)

[dusk echo]

Took the bottle off a water dispenser, can't pick the base up now lol. Can pick up when I put it back on though...

[civic drum]

Bradenburg is a heck of a dive of a town.

[acoustic sail]

I like the update but man is the stealth unbearable

[pallid hinge]

!bugreport

[sacred bison]

Your report on Discord might end up being lost to the void. Please report bugs on our forums or Steam:

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/85-bug-reports/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/6/

[subtle tendon]

Anyone have any updates on the Mac bug fixes

[pallid hinge]

Even with wakeful it seems like I get drowsy really dang quick.

I haven't heard anything yet @subtle tendon

[fringe ravine]

Serious Vanilla seasons last up to 12 months

[heavy shadow]

when will we have multiplayer?

[glacial cape]

Really? I took wakeful and ignored restless sleeper or any negative sleeping perks, and it felt like I wasn't getting drowsy until midnight to 1am in zomboid

Btw anyone else noticed that some gas pumps at gas stations run out of fuel? I filled my flatbed and the tank no longer has gas in it and I can't fill my gas tanks

[pallid hinge]

A few days ago in game I woke up at like 2-3am so maybe my sleep schedule is just scuffed. I don't take any negative sleep traits though

And yea one of the pumps in my gas station (I am based above the gas station in echo creek) emptied out really quick

[glacial cape]

Yeah I've noticed I've been waking up late into the night maybe the devs have tweaked wakeful to take advantage of the new darkness, but I don't think I've noticed the getting tired quickly

[heavy crown]

Could be alcohol, poor temperature management, or not handling exertion well. I don't think muscle strain is tied to fatigue but it might be.

[velvet egret]

we don’t know. No ETA at this time

[pallid hinge]

haven't drank at all on this character,. could be over doing it on exertion but I am resting every chance I get, maybe more than I did in B41 even

[heavy crown]

What are you wearing? If you're getting the temperature moodles (and fatigue works the same way it does in B41, that's a toss into the air) then that might be giving a pretty big multiplier to your fatigue gain

[glacial cape]

Wonder if it's an issue with the new fluid system, can't view how much gas is in a pump but if it keeps happening I might look into a way of making gas infinite

I've also noticed batteries draining on their own I wonder if that's a bug or a intended change even if its intended the drain feels too quick

[pallid hinge]

Nothing out of the ordinary except for kneepads and magazine armor which don't seem to have high insulation.

[mild atlas]

they added a top down view to b42

[pallid hinge]

pretty sure it is intended (maybe not that quickly, donno), fuel consumption in cars also feels quicker (I am on apoc)

[glacial cape]

Top down pz isn't real it can't hurt you

Top down pz:

[civic drum]

Just visited that place, something about it gave me motion sickness

[mild atlas]

yeah its very uncanny

[visual orbit]

has anyone gotten to brandenburg yet

[glacial cape]

The gas or the batteries? Cause I feel like the gas shouldn't be intended to drain that quickly, I mean we live in the land of freedom and oil in pz

[civic drum]

Yes, the above screenshot several messages above you is from west of brandenburg. At the end of that road lies great treasure.

[mild atlas]

dark corner (indirect light does not exist)

[dusk echo]

Only mod I have installed is one of the moodle replacers, otherwise clean install

[pallid hinge]

Both it seems - just looking at the Apoc settings in the Custom Sandbox Mode. It is rng as heck (and I kind of dig that). I think alarm battery decay is like normal batteries but I am unsure at all, it could be house alarm batteries tbh.

[velvet egret]

how’d you get that view? Debug mode?

[glacial cape]

Just a quick fyi I don't mind what they're going for especially since I know that rideable animals like horses are in the way, but if there are limits on gas and battery drain it feels strange to have it implemented this early on maybe wait until there's alternate light sources like a torch and alternate travel options e.g: horses or even a bicycle

[mild atlas]

it was a joke, the road is just perfectly straight on the screen so it looks weird with isometric perrspective

[pallid hinge]

The idea, at least for gas, is to push you to new locations I think. Having a lack of lightsource with this new lighting is a bit sketch though

[velvet egret]

I thought it had something to do with the way the top right of the screen is. Ig I don’t understand the joke

[glacial cape]

I might be the only one on this opinion but I'd love it if cars, gas and batteries etc has decay obv there'll be people upset about that especially the car nuts in the community, but when these things might be considered or added in the future it'll just add way more to the already immersive experience pz offers

[civic drum]

That's why you should just live at the gas station.

[flat phoenix]

So happy we have sandbox settings for pump station fuel amount

[pallid hinge]

I am - but one of my pumps is already empty, same with Boutansha, that is how we got onto this convo

[glacial cape]

Yeah, but without other travel options in the vanilla game it feels strange to have that be a thing now

[mild atlas]

did they even make it so that gas goes bad over a long period of time? also did devs nerf generators? Generators and that rain collector bug are the main things making end game boring, not the fact that we arent yet able to weld spoons

[civic drum]

Wow, wait, how long were you living there/gas usage? That really surprises me. I remember my first 2 year playthrough in 41 was at the Fallas Lake gas station and I never ran out of gas.

[glacial cape]

No but gas drain seems higher and pumps can empty, dunno about generators or water collectors

[glacial cape]

Literally 2 days the first pump I siphoned from to fill my car tank emptied on 1 car alone fair enough it was heavy duty with a high gas tank but still

[pallid hinge]

@glacial cape yea I agree! need more alternatives.
@mild atlas gas doesn't go bad yet, that won't be implemented till later.
@civic drum Uh I am on like day 11 on this character, and basically since I started. I fueled 2-3 cars worth + 4 gas cans before it ran out. Check my picture above it shows the new gas settings, there is a chance it can have very little gas in it on apoc settings.
PS I hate how aggressive the slowmode is in this channel

[eager burrow]

Absolutely cannot wait for the MP patch of the unstable branch, gonna play it a lot

[glacial cape]

Damn you got lucky 1 pump emptied on 1 car tank XD and another pump had no gas with a sign!

[chrome fable]

This is avant garde

[mild atlas]

i have an entire list of things you could improve about generators

[civic drum]

Huh, interesting. My longest B42 play has been 30 days, and in that one, never ran out of gas in my one car. DIdn't even gas back up after the Day 1 gassing. I was using a mod car, however.

[hybrid frost]

Has anyone found any caves yet? I'm curious as to where on the map they are

[glacial cape]

There's caves?

[hybrid frost]

The blog posts said as much

[civic drum]

If there are any, have to be in the south I bet

[glacial cape]

Ah checked the recent blog post it mentions that Batteries can behave oddly, also addresses the issue with the new ballistics systems which will apparently be addressed in the new year if any gun nuts were concerned about that

[velvet egret]

apparently, there’s a cave system near or in the military outpost west of Rosewood according to an earlier discussion (https://discord.com/channels/136501320340209664/1318769570731003936). Haven’t seen it myself or if it varies per world so I can’t help verify it

[pallid hinge]

@civic drum maybe my car's tank is just crap I'd have to checkI did a lot of driving the first few days to explore and had to fuel up atleast twice now (two of those were from the other pump) @glacial cape Ahhh good to know!

[civic drum]

I too have done much driving and have so far just used up just under a quarter of a tankish on the heavy duty with large tank

[pallid hinge]

Apoc settings?

[civic drum]

As a base, yes. Didn't change the vehicle settings.

[pallid hinge]

🤷 Donno then - I am doing straight apoc, not custom sandbox at all

[glacial cape]

I've hardly noticed my tank draining at all and I've been using a heavy duty flatbed, although it did seem to drain quicker on a standard vehicle but I think that's just due to a small gas tank have you checked your vehicles gas tank at all? - also standard apoc settings

[civic drum]

I don't suppose anyone has found the Western town yet?

[pallid hinge]

Irvington? You were basically on top of it in your screenshot there

[civic drum]

What? Really? I just drove around in a big circle and never saw it.

[glacial cape]

Didn't know there was one I haven't done much exploration yet wanna get a nice base to come back to first

[velvet egret]

||north of Echo Creek||

[pallid hinge]

yea this area

[civic drum]

For the western reenactment town?

[pallid hinge]

OH I missread lol - I thought you were looking for the most western town, not the reenactment

[glacial cape]

Oh that's close to fallas lake where I've based up

[civic drum]

I'm considering Fallas Lake, it's where my most successful zomboid town was, and I'm having ah ard time finding somewhere that aligns with the Guide in the new areas.

[glacial cape]

I want to explore it so bad, but I got my ranch and crops to care for damn decisions decisions

[pallid hinge]

yeaaaa I realize this now, its 1am and I am sleepy

[civic drum]

I wonder if the Megaphone item will be useful in multiplayer.

[glacial cape]

Honestly that and muldraugh will probably be popular locations once mp releases due to them being daily central locations(also can yous please mark stuff with the spoiler tag for others ty)

[pallid hinge]

if not someone will make it work with mods lol - either way it will be hilarious

[civic drum]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-road-warrior-humungus-gif-25413105

[wild oak]

the police station in muldraugh looks like itd be such a good base, but then again its muldraugh so youd best keep up with the fences

[pallid hinge]

🤣

[glacial cape]

Agreed that and Courtmen medical looked so cool when I passed them on my escape from the helicopter

[civic drum]

The chicken farm is the best multiplayer base to come. I promise it.

[wild oak]

ill prob base at that one diner down in the echo creek side of the map just because it seems quiet and nice that or go full cabin and self sufficient

[glacial cape]

Farms in general will probably be in high demand, I myself have picked livestock farmer and claimed a farm with chickens, sheep's and pigs

[velvet egret]

a mod that makes VOIP/mic detection from Echo Creek be heard all the way to LV

[austere birch]

is there interactive map for 42 build?

[glacial cape]

Can't wait to have to trade a blacksmithed sledgehammer for a pair of piggies lol

[civic drum]

My 30 day playthrough before I starved to death (because I left the game running while I stepped away), I based at the radio tower southwest of Riverside. Ended up with dozens of turkeys.

[pallid hinge]

it hasn't been updated yet - but you can use the spawn selector map from the game files

[austere birch]

thx

[glacial cape]

I think radios can already do that

[glacial cape]

Nice, I spotted a scrapyard in muldraugh as well just near where the trailer parks are seemed like a very big area for people who like to custom build

[velvet egret]

fs but from a megaphone would be funny lol

[bright glade]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-echo-gif-9158162

[wet timber]

Hear me out guys, "fast metabolism" and " always hungry" (or whatever the name is) is a super legit combo. One makes your char need to eat more and the other reminds you to do so. Second one literally becomes advantageous trait and still gives you free trait points

[glacial cape]

Oh lol, that range might be too far but town wide/street wide in LV it would be very funny

[civic drum]

Yeah, that looked good. In the new areas, I did find a perfect place, a mansion with a two car garage, fences, and a lot of open space and trees. Then it went and had a house alarm.

[glacial cape]

Idk, ive had issues with keeping my characters weight up even after downing high calorie foods without that trait and only hearty appetite which btw I feel like is way too overtuned in b42 I'm constantly hungry

[wet timber]

Thought about it because that's how my body works irl

[pallid hinge]

SOMEONE TRIED TO THROW AWAY PERFECTLY GOOD NACHO CHEESE. Shame on them.

[glacial cape]

I found a trash cookie before why would anyone do these things D: such wasters they're better off being zombies lol

[pallid hinge]

[turbid gorge]

bro thats 4 hunger and only 150 calories you are licking the inside of a mostly used jar

[glacial cape]

Haha typical, find a place you might wanna base and a house alarm hits

[wet timber]

Hi, I've updated the game but when I load in it hasn't got the new map, have I updated correctly?

[pallid hinge]

@glacial cape I forgot to ask, what time do you usually wake up in game?
@turbid gorge It's the Apocalypse, you gotta do what you gotta do - I also have a garbage bag full of Dry and Wet dogfood

[civic drum]

At the moment I'm turn between that one pump gas station between Brandenburg and Riverside, the rest area gas station on the same highway, or a farmhouse I found that's near nothing at all and would be a pain in the ass to live at, but has a really nice layout.

[quick temple]

I hope craft helper going to get updated soon. Its too hard with the current hud.
Finding something and telling wheter its usefull or not going to be headache

[glacial cape]

I myself picked a farmhouse by fallas lake, because its got a chicken coop, 2 animal fields and room for a 3rd one to be built as well as a storage shed and an well.

Also @pallid hinge I usually get tired around midnight to 1am in game and wake up at 2-3am on standard apoc

[glacial cape]

I think it's fine and removes the pain of the whole right click menu functionality which is an improvement, but I do agree it can still be fleshed out further and some form of guide like craft helper would go miles to better helping to explain the new recipes and crafting chains

[pallid hinge]

hmm interesting - in B41 (basically the same trait build I am now) I would go to bed around midnight and wakeup at 6am. In B42 it seems all over the place. I have been fighting zombies since about 7am and am currently drowsy and it is 7pm

[quick temple]

I was expecting b42 to remove requirement for craft helper, turns out it triples it. Ofc not fully released yet but still.

[glacial cape]

Build 42 does feel pretty intrusive right now with the new crafting and building but I've not had time to explore it yet

[turbid gorge]

ikr they def should add a craft helper to vanilla. right click and see what recipies a part goes inot

[glacial cape]

If you've ever seen the game vintage story it's got an amazing handbook, which helps a ton to explain its crafting mechanics and has recipes for every item etc feels like pz or b42 needs something similar to that

[quick temple]

I just believe tracking required items properly using craft helper is plenty enough.
Plus cleaning rags and ripping clothing is another level of pain now, slightly upsetting

[pallid hinge]

Vintage Story is on my list of eventual games to play, looks neat and everything I basically wanted from Minecraft

[glacial cape]

Strange I'm usually fine after high muscle pain and exhaustion but I do take regular rest stops once I reach those points

[glacial cape]

Can't even clean all rags/use a sink or rip all clothing anymore but I think that's just a problem with menus well have to see

[pallid hinge]

yea lots of ground/chair breaks for me too

[glacial cape]

Weird, idk if fitness levels or traits impacts sleep?

[violet knot]

please it would be so cool, especially with the new addition of new tracks
came searching to see if it was already in the new build because of the new additions

[pallid hinge]

Oh yea I was gonna comment on that too - PLEASE make that train mod, would be so cool to have a mobile base on tracks

[violet knot]

it could be faster than using cars, safer ideally since you cant hit things as often and carry far more things, would be the ideal way to go to louisville

[glacial cape]

I do remember seeing in one of the blog posts about crafting, is to use the old rails for crafting and making makeshift weaponry as well wonder if they'll expand on that and bring back the idea of a tech tree

[fallen sphinx]

yea im currently in debug so i can plan the areas that the train will stop at then i have the big task of runing the whole track to get the X & Y cords for the spile path to follow

[pallid hinge]

😍

[ornate cosmos]

Skibidi

[violet knot]

its amazing that you're doing this and i wish you luck

[glacial cape]

Build 42 really opening up so many modding potential and opportunities that sounds awesome!

[civic drum]

||Just FYI, there's an area of train track in the new map that has a wreck on it. May want to factor that in.||

[turbid gorge]

Apperantly they have implemented the API for agressive animals that attack you, you know what that means? a whole new WORLD of enemy mods, including things like monsters, mutants, and zombified animals, think like resident evil monsters, special infected, and lots more

[violet knot]

could make it destructible with a sledgehammer, adds progression to unlocking more of the map

[turbid gorge]

trains are notoriously loud as shit is an issue plus you'd be announcing yourself to almost the entire map by moving around even without the horn, plus there are car crashes and stuff on the tracks

[glacial cape]

Maybe not mutants, monsters and special infected in a game like pz with the new combat changes lmao but predatory animals? Definitely!

[fallen sphinx]

thanks yea i seen that i have a few ideas to fix that

[pallid hinge]

perfect

[turbid gorge]

i def want those things as mods

[glacial cape]

I've never played mods with special infected but I could see the appeal of them, especially if you wanna challenge

[keen gorge]

Can't wait to be eaten alive by ̶z̶e̶d̶s̶ a bear

[turbid gorge]

imagine seeing a fucking zombie bear lmao THE HORROR

[civic drum]

I'm pretty sure at least wolves will be vanilla eventually.

[fallen sphinx]

thats kinda of the point willmake zombies move more often cuz the idea i have is to have the train horn at the places it stops at and for the car crashes i ahave a couple of ideas to work around things blocking the train

[glacial cape]

See what behaviours they add to Bears and wolves like maybe making wolves scared of fire, and maybe they'll be more feral in the winter or something territorial etc

[pallid hinge]

I could see myself enjoying an arcade style server with a linear map with special infected on an MP server, kinda Left4Dead style - I think it would be a lot of fun. nothing long term though, just a fun server to mess around in

[civic drum]

Some of the aid text already references foxes at the very least.

[glacial cape]

Oh yea, agreed as a server scenario or what not it would be cool but in a regular playthrough I much prefer standard zomboid

[pallid hinge]

100%

[glacial cape]

Saw a post on reddit about a guy dying to a cow today, it made me laugh lmao

[fallen sphinx]

thats funny

[civic drum]

I saw that too, he quite literally messed with the bull and got the horns.

[pallid hinge]

That is amazing, I love it

[glacial cape]

Yeah XD the new potential deaths, including animals are too good - can already imagine a dumb ways to die parody about it

[civic drum]

The rest area turned out to be amazing. There's a perfect fenced off house, with an immediately adjacent farming plot that's already fenced off. Also, a basement loaded with crates full of tools and crafting materials.

[glacial cape]

Oh nice! Out of curiosity what occupation did you go with? I went with the rancher one forgot the name of it

[civic drum]

Unemployed with Cat Eyes, Organized, and Dextrous. Started in the bar in southwest Riverside, which has also been given a nice little facelift.

[glacial cape]

Nice, gonna have to explore these locations at some point but I wanna get a nice homestead ready to go back to first

[pallid hinge]

we survivin'

[glacial cape]

Very nice, I would share my traits but I'm at work lol wish I was playing pz right now maybe later :)

[civic drum]

Honestly, all I need to not be worried this run is the generator magazine.

[velvet egret]

level Electrical to 3 or 4 and no need for the generator magazine unless there’s some change I’m unaware about

[glacial cape]

I'm more concerned about finding axes, since I made loot extremely rare might have to do foraging and make stone ones

[civic drum]

I do not have loot extremely rare, and I have not encountered a single axe.

[pallid hinge]

Found two hatchets and one fireaxe so far but that is it 😦

[glacial cape]

There's a good reason I go short blunt lol, very common weapon type

[sturdy wren]

favourite weapon bare hands? goodness gracious

[pallid hinge]

To cut down on muscle strain I rotate through smashing and stomping

[sage pike]

I’d agree. It’s savage at the moment.

[sturdy wren]

smashing with melee and stomping with foot to finish of

[pallid hinge]

Yes melee weapon until I get muscle strain, then stomp

[civic drum]

Same, not great if you need to build a wall though.

[sturdy wren]

When does strain even appear? after like 10 zombie kills?

[pallid hinge]

pretty sure it is less than 10, more like 2-3 is where you get minor. at least to start if you are low weapon skill

[glacial cape]

I think it's lower than that

But yeah I also alternate, ive also gone back to fence cheese ive noticed some people lowering or outright disabling it in the settings to make it more manageable which I might do next playthrough but for now I wanna experiment with it and play around it with the new combat system

[sturdy wren]

oh god, that is horrible

[glacial cape]

Only at level 3 short blunt I couldn't imagine 2 handed weapons at a lower level

Have yet to test spears or knives yet or any 2 handed weapon

[pallid hinge]

gotta test so I can give feedback

[heady field]

what item is that on the right hand?

[pallid hinge]

magazine armour - I found it while looting

[heady field]

oo nice we got more protection for the arm

[subtle tendon]

still no updates on the mac version yet?

[glacial cape]

Yeah there's scrap armor, and plate armor you can even make bulletproof armor along with leg and arm protection etc

[glacial cape]

Think they mentioned that it might be fixed Into the new year on their blog post

[quick temple]

Wont be around for a month or 2 i think.

[woven beacon]

Irritable Bowel Syndrome trait when?

[glacial cape]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1hhpi8r/about_muscle_strain/ really great point about muscle strain in this post, thoughts?

[remote bear]

good morning boys, i posted about it before, but I'm maintaining a lite-mod collection for people and myself (obviously).
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3386956442

gonna drop it again for people, to spare them the headache of looking for decent mods out for B42.

[flat phoenix]

Muscle strain is a good mechanic, it just needs lowered in sandbox to not be severe. I set mine to around 0.5-0.6

[quick temple]

Well weapon masteries meaning something good is nice, problem starts at getting better taking a life time. Grinding it without xp buff is just rough

[remote bear]

The good thing about the muscle-strain mechanic is that you can scale it down. I have mine at around 0.75ish

[quick temple]

Good thing about it is pushing and stomping is kinda backdoor of it.

[severe egret]

👀

[cunning turtle]

[flat phoenix]

I like this too, punishment to not taking care of your wounds

[severe egret]

Im sure itll become much deeper than just damage after the eventual medical system overhaul. But aye, a good start

[remote bear]

I'm literally having the worst time trying to find duct tape.

[glacial cape]

@icy raft Yeah I agree it makes engaging much more tactical, it feels immersive and makes it so you don't just speedrun in the first week, plus it slows down pace however I do feel like it does need to be adjusted and balanced especially for newer players

[flat phoenix]

Yeah the default setting needs to be changed to something like 0.5. I think more people will start to like it the more they try it out and adjust it to their liking.

[arctic tiger]

Has anyone else just seemingly phased through walls when leaving basements?

[glacial cape]

Agreed feels too oppressive in its current state and idk I'd strength levels do anything for it

[cunning turtle]

Holy

[versed dagger]

your skill level with the type of melee weapon affects how much muscle strain you build, dunno if strength does though

[wet timber]

Cool events thanks indie stone they add immersion

[cunning turtle]

Exactly

[remote bear]

top tier shitpost, missed oppurtunity to add in the exhausted moodle in there lmfao

[wet timber]

When i see this i hear NDotz - Embrace it in my head

Lemmy was a little bit… Spicy at the development process for sure

[turbid gorge]

dayum lmaoooo

[subtle lotus]

Have you died?

[turbid gorge]

i def like the outside remaining rendered

[glacial cape]

Heard strength or fitness have no effect on muscle strain also feels like I'm getting exhausted too quickly could just be a side effect of muscle strain but come on I'm using short blunt

[turbid gorge]

does anyone else push a zombie over, walk forward to stomp their head, and the zombie flips around phasing through you to your rear and you have to turn around to stomp it? very annoying

[glacial cape]

Yes I've had that too

[soft viper]

Yeap

[turbid gorge]

hello baby

[neat saffron]

Irvington is a vile and evil place.

I hate this town.

[wild oak]

it cant be that bad right

[glacial cape]

Rosewood would like to know your location(not been there yet just heard it was pretty bad as well)

[neat saffron]

I will try to make a screenshot of how the streets look like AFTER I lured half the population away...

[whole tundra]

Anyone know what to do with a large stone?

[rich cove]

Stone wheels I think

[neat saffron]

oh yeah, by the way, PSA: You can pick stones up off of the ground.

[rich cove]

yesss stones and twigs
wish they would add an option to remove branches from trees too since they're a bit hard to find

[turbid gorge]

are berry bushes that are visible pickable yet? that def needs to come in

[static heart]

Do they respawn you think ?

[latent night]

Hey look a rabbit is following me

[turbid gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-so-afraid-gif-24701712

i hate how they broke 2x fast forward click-walking, now every time you click a new location it stops the time acceleration

[wise snow]

yeah i had this issue as well

[whole tundra]

Anyone else not able to craft Crude Whetstone? Just doesnt work for me

[cunning turtle]

Playboy rabbit

[past spear]

can you wash dirty rags yet or has that not been patched

[whole tundra]

You can

[neat saffron]

they removed dismantling furniture giving carpentry xp

that just plain sucks.
what an awful and unfun change

[past spear]

praise be!

[whole tundra]

it was for multiplayer mostly, but can be disabled in world settings apparently

[past spear]

i think this was done mostly to encourage people to use the new building menu (and because dismantling was kind of meta)

[neat saffron]

... i dont exactly know whats supposed to be the alternative way now

[rain owl]

Build stuff. Wanna learn carpentry? Just build a house, it’s not that hard

[neat saffron]

Thats really really annoying and cripplingly slow + expensive

[quick temple]

Someone did i think. Talking about them being illusions instead actual underground. Not sure if i readed that in discord.

[quick temple]

I still got no clue about where to find thread now. Like- if i had high level tailoring i would just take it off of clothes, but i dont have it and i cant get high lv without thread

[cunning turtle]

What about ripping clothes to earn tailoring xp?

[rain owl]

Skill issue

[quick temple]

Its gone. You need thread.

[cunning turtle]

Well

[quick temple]

Where to acquire reliable source of thread without high tailoring aka thread and fabric?

[whole tundra]

Ripping zombie clothes i believe with a needle and pulling the thread out of that

[cunning turtle]

Well in b41 I used to ripped a lot of clothes to get threads

[whole tundra]

i havent dabbled in it myself but yeah

[quick temple]

HUUUUUUHH- you say.

And slow mode decreased, thank god

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[whole tundra]

yeah jsut realised the the slow mode was changed

[cunning turtle]

Same

[quick temple]

It just got changed

[whole tundra]

the 1minute was way too excessive
\

[quick temple]

While we're talking.

[cunning turtle]

I was going insane

[rich cove]

has anyone found out how to get tailoring XP?

[neat saffron]

Nothing like the Skill Issue you got with touching grass.

[rich cove]

all the recipes for the basic tailoring require some unholy materials that are hard to find, couldn't find any way to get XP on it

[quick temple]

Dude said we can get thread with ripping clothing using a needle. Then you add and remove patches

It gives enough xp with %75 buff and fast learner. Im sure its quite impossible without a atleast book buff now.

[rich cove]

oooh

[quick temple]

Yup that was my reaction lol. Craft helper needs immediate update

[rich cove]

YEAH I'm desperate for it
só many itens that I have no clue if they're just junk or useful

[quick temple]

And many weird icons that i dont know wheter i got the alternate tool or not.

[rich cove]

Yeah that too
It's hella fun BUT GOD THERE ARE SO MANY TOOLS

[quick temple]

I wonder what will my mp toolbag will look like once the time comes.

[wet timber]

Don’t be p00sy and use new mechanics to level it up and not just ripping planks off

[rich cove]

more like a tool car, gotta have a whole trunk for those

[past spear]

mfw when the update changes things

[wet timber]

Or add new main menu

[quick temple]

Yeeeaaaah-

[cunning turtle]

[latent night]

I play at 200 fps but when I drive, it drops to 3 fps frequently. Is there a solution for this?

[chrome fable]

Beard said that the crashes are being caused by a RAM issue on the game's side and that they're investigating it and working on a fix

Hopefully they'll bring a fix soon

[cunning turtle]

Don't drive

[latent night]

From where?

[glacial cape]

Building & crafting stuff with carpentry gives xp, I believe that misc activities like sawing logs down gives xp as well, it's meant to discourage mass dismantling for servers and give more meaningful ways of gaining the xp cause just dismantling every house on a street is boring and eventually you'd run out of stuff to dismantle so nobody can gain xp at that point especially on mp servers

Like someone said before you can disable it in the sandbox settings

[bright jackal]

Any chance muscle strain intensity will be added to sandbox settings? It feels way too punitive by default

[glacial cape]

Yes you can disable it or adjust the muscle strain setting

[bright jackal]

Oh it already is, I missed that

[cunning turtle]

Just take painkillers tho

[bright jackal]

Yeah the fact that you can nullify the mechanic with copious amounts of painkillers doesn't make it better

[glacial cape]

I believe its in character menu in the sandbox settings

[cunning turtle]

Well it's unstable version for now

[tawny orbit]

its normal

i have happend it

[lethal wolf]

I need the car's momentum to disappear while trying to pass a sapling/short metal poles so my car doesn't launch like a rocket in a second after getting past em, killing or breaking my legs over 1-2 meter distance

[cunning turtle]

Lmaooo

[lethal wolf]

that happened in stable B41, but I don't know whether that is more amazing or the fact that Louisville mall short metal poles bend like a sapling when driving over them

[cunning turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/kitkaig-zomboid-project-zomboid-car-crash-gif-1453344752877011693

[lethal wolf]

Of course, I have broken my legs RANDOMLY while driving in b41 MP without hitting anything on an empty road

I don't mind the 30 day suffering arc in multiplayer, can always yell curses from a rooftop and sitting there with legs broken, sniping at zeds with a rifle but when you are seconds from death without having a splint on hand because you did not expect to break your limbs on a sunday drive

[past spear]

i never seem to run into these problems

[cunning turtle]

Sunday drive?, that's hilarious

[past spear]

i used to think sunday driver was free points until i played without it and realized how fast cars can actually go

[lethal wolf]

eh, desync issue in my case probably

[past spear]

oh yeah i didnt play much multiplayer because whenever i did it was with people from across the pond and it didnt work super well (duh)

[lethal wolf]

but it was 30 days of reading skill books on a rooftop sniping any zed coming close a friend who was around nearby

my desync happened with a friend who lives rather nearby xD

[past spear]

reading skill books in multiplayer sounds like torture

[lethal wolf]

slow reader in MP!

[past spear]

if it werent for the generator mag id genuinely play illiterate

[eternal stump]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO they already did it

please indiestone do something

[past spear]

inb4 a billion bug reports from this mod

[lethal wolf]

if it was that easy to just toggle MP on, Indie Stone would have done so...

[eternal stump]

they did it

by utilizing b41 mp

[lethal wolf]

Why do you think MP is not enabled already by default then if it didnt have something to work on?

[eternal stump]

because they will make it better

[past spear]

because its gonna work like shit for the time being

[chilly atlas]

or read the description? "This mod simply restores the multiplayer menu options, and no additional changes or fixes have been made to ensure compatibility or stability."

mp features arent implemented. theres nothing there to enable

[eternal stump]

yeah thats what i meant

[chilly atlas]

also mod author disabled comments cos ppl said it didnt actually do anything lmao.... actually fucking trolling

[eternal stump]

ye ik

i love troll mods!

i was being sarcastic

[chilly atlas]

mods that troll players r fun. mods that troll developers tho...

[eternal stump]

wait this mod might troll the devs?

[forest shore]

...someone made a multiplayer mod for B42 😂

[latent night]

How do I open this place, which button?

[forest shore]

Oop that's what you guys are talking about now

[mental laurel]

Unfortunately not, any crafts that take a long time aren't in yet

[whole tundra]

Is there a place where we can see what has been left in and left out?

I am trying to see what the max progression in each crafting category is at the moment.

[forest shore]

I imagine that list is going to be fluid for the next few weeks.

[mental laurel]

No, but you can use my message there as a good rule

[whole tundra]

Ok sweet.

[lethal wolf]

I wonder if any of you are Vintage Story enjoyers, b42 has introduced a lot of new crafting stations and it starts to feel like you are focusing on crafting styles that really can take some time and the mental reward is huge when you make something from very scratch

[mental laurel]

I have played some of it but don't think it's an inspiration, but we might get similar vibes

[glacial cape]

Could you guys look into using a similar system to vintage story's handbook which works as both a guide and recipe book to the crafting? It would be a huge help for newcomers and for people to understand the crafting system cause right now it feels very unintrusive

[quasi carbon]

how play with friend in beta?

[spark gyro]

you dont atleast not on b42 unstable

[glacial cape]

You can play with steam remote play splitscreen but it's terrible you both need a extremely good Internet connection and 1 of you needs a controller

[lethal wolf]

Definitely getting vibes like that...but we'll see if PZ will have processes that take multiple in-game days to advance, with extra layers to make it turbo realistic. But keep up the good work, I have not played b42 unstable personally yet but the mere knowledge that it is out has made me wake up each day after with more joy than someone "mentally less joyful" usually does. So thank ye (plural) for your hard work, extremely happy to wait for more refinement for B42 and what other great things it shall bring.

[remote bear]

Hey guys, I'm sure mods won't have a problem with this, anyway I've re-written my guide for Build 42, so I invite ya'll to take a look at it! If there is something I should add or I have missed in the current chapters, please lmk!
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=635586966

the thumbnail is a placeholder from way back in 2016 lol

[past spear]

can't wait for modders to sink their teeth into what build 42 can do now

[quick temple]

What it can do i think will be requiring frequent updates so, ill just be glad if we see more mod updates from existing ones

[past spear]

i mean updates will slow down once a lot of the glaring issues are patched

[wet cargo]

farm finished

[lethal wolf]

Any sightings of vehicles with more inventory space than b41?

[glacial cape]

Oh nice love the log fencing I imagine they were a lot more expansive than regular old planks?, are they sturdier at least

[forest shore]

Has anyone done a wilderness run yet? Just try to start with nothing?

[forest shore]

You can store things in the seat you sit in now apparently.

[wet cargo]

no

[wet cargo]

i tried to live a farm life this time i havent really went to big citys

[lethal wolf]

Alrighty, I just can't help but notice lack of actually big vehicles, I like looting a lot in a trip

[wet cargo]

they are easier to build, i didnt have many nails so i build them like this

[sturdy sequoia]

I'm too spoiled by car mods, vanilla cars are so underwhelming by comparison

[amber rover]

I look forward to those semi truck and RV mods being updated to B42 just so I can run around as a trucker nomad with 1k storage

[wet cargo]

i found some big cars at some farms but they were broken af

[glacial cape]

Oh really? Thought they'd be more expensive since 1 log = 3 planks how many logs they'd take per fence?

[wet cargo]

2

[lethal wolf]

the map getting big enough that making a road trip to Louisville from the new spawn town is gonna suck if you don't have big storage ^^

[glacial cape]

So you're trading potentially more fences for style? Love it

[wet cargo]

allways

btw guys if you dont have a safehouse this one is amazing, it even has a well

[glacial cape]

I wonder what their health is compared to regular plank fencing and does that scale with the quality of the wall/material

So would a log fence be worse quality than a wooden one due to the material being different and one being reinforced with nails

Cause I do remember them talking about making better quality items and objects the higher your skill level

[peak yew]

There's so much with B42 I absolutely am loving.
I'm so curious if small fishing boats are planned in the distant future with one of the huge lakes and wee islands doted about, def a n interesting place to set up a base if you can access it.
Even though there's obvious kinks to be ironed out, the new lighting is so good and atmospheric and the music is also A++
This update has seriously erased my need for gameplay mods; the only ones I'm waiting for now are mainly just ✨ aesthetic ✨ ones like extra clothing and more hairstyles :D I'm so excited to see the updates that roll out next year.

Does anyone know if fruit trees were addressed at any point though? Mainly wondering about certain fruits like apples (though if I remember correctly, there's a chance to find fruit during foraging?)

[stray badger]

Cat's Eyes is definitely worth its weight in gold now, night fighting/navigation outside without a light source is a death sentence without that trait

[clever imp]

you mean terrafirmacraft

[stray badger]

Better terrafirmacraft*

[lethal wolf]

I mean the now standalone game that made me never touch Minecraft again

[wet timber]

I remember caves being mentioned in Thursdoids, is there any on the updated map?

[unique pulsar]

I’m going to crash out if this crashes one more time

[stray badger]

Has anyone noticed that random zombie stats are now natively supported in sandbox settings, including random sprinters ?

[unique pulsar]

[edgy kiln]

apocalypse now has slow shamblers by default now which is cool

[stray badger]

It has random speed (except sprinters), toughness, hearing and sight by default

Which explains why zombies felt inconsistent in my first playthrough

With/without Cat Eyes comparison, and it also slightly widens your cone of vision at night as well, it seems

[remote bear]

Ye, 0.65 is also a native pop now

Having Zombies random by default is pretty cool tbh, I'm just waiting for 25% sprinter mods

[jaunty gyro]

It is.

[stray badger]

You don't need to, if you tick advanced at the bottom you can set your own sprinter percentage, it's 6% by default

[remote bear]

wait hold the phone

For real??? Holy shit that gotta play with it in my next playthrough.

[whole tundra]

!bugreport

[sacred bison]

Your report on Discord might end up being lost to the void. Please report bugs on our forums or Steam:

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/85-bug-reports/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/6/

[vague trench]

Lol

[raw parcel]

fixed 😇

put the value at -0.05 instead of -5 (tiredness goes from 0 to 1 ingame)

i can send the new file to anyone interested but it's a trivial fix

it seems the devs forgot how their own lua values scale

[glacial cape]

@pallid hinge maybe that is why I am never tired, I've been downing gas station soda like nobodies business 💀

[raw parcel]

they likely intended a 5% decrease of tiredness when implementing this

which is what 0.05 of 1 is

[fluid panther]

where is it?

[blazing coral]

Caffeine pills give -4 fatigue only 💀

[raw parcel]

its all in this file

[glacial cape]

also @pallid hinge here are my traits and occupations I said I'd send earlier

[raw parcel]

solids do not abide by the same rules as liquids since 42

[past spear]

make build 43 the kudzu update

[raw parcel]

im not clear on the details of that yet

[cunning turtle]

Like irl

[raw parcel]

frankly im surprised they didnt spot this in closed beta or just hotfix it because it is game breaking

[past spear]

how

[raw parcel]

1000mL of soda and diet soda is enough to fully rest you, five times over

thats how

[past spear]

did you try that?

[raw parcel]

yes

[hard hamlet]

Unstable buil is actually very stable lmao

[raw parcel]

fatigue goes from 0 to 1 ingame

if you reduce it by 5, then you get back to 0 as negative values are not allowed, unlike calories count

0 being no fatigue, 1 being ridiculously tired

smallest increment is 0.001

[past spear]

i don't think when an item says -5 fatigue it actually reduces fatigue by -5

[raw parcel]

for liquids it does, values are stated "per 1000mL"

so yes if you drink less than 1000mL, logic dictates you get a prorata of the value in the lua file

but i havent bothered to test this logic as i am not a professional game tester contracted with indiestone

[past spear]

oh, gotcha. you said it's been fixed?

[raw parcel]

no, i fixed it in my own little modded file

i can send it over to you, and tell you where to put it

[past spear]

did you file a bug report?

[raw parcel]

bug report was filed by someone else

[vague trench]

Kinda the point of unstable when you get more people to test things and give feedbacks

[raw parcel]

not disputing that, but it's trivial enough to fix that you dont need to wait for a patch

single can of soda fully resting your character warrants this imo but it's your game copy

[past spear]

i might just exploit that as long as i can

[vague trench]

Same lol

[past spear]

is it just soda or does coffee also have this problem?

[raw parcel]

fwiw, eating a full box of coffee grounds fully rests you up, or close enough

[vague trench]

Gives me chance to dick around n test other things

[flat phoenix]

Yum

[raw parcel]

but that is intended behavior

[past spear]

you can brew coffee though which seems like it would make it infinitely more potent

[raw parcel]

coffee also has that problem, it reduces by 10, i divided it by 100 so it reduces by 0.1 in my game version

per 1000mL of coffee liquid, mind you

ingame, the values that dictate your character's moodle are set on various scales. Calories go up to 3000 point and down to -800, afaik. Some values go up to 50, others 10 etc

devs just operated on wrong scale when defining fatigue (tiredness) changes

i only looked at liquids here, solids dont behave unexpectedly so i havent bothered

you can see all those values and how they behave in game for yourself through debug mode

hope my explanations are clear

as for my personal opinion, coffee doesnt actually give you any rest IRL. It just shunts the effects of fatigue partly, and temporarily, by influencing the secretion of hormones, and by blocking some neuroreceptors

i think itd be cool if coffee in the game modeled that by counteracting the debuffs of fatigue instead of actually changing that value

so that after approx 1h youre just as tired as you were before your cup

[glacial cape]

Has mixing of liquids decreasing fatigue been tested? Like could you get away with mixing cola into your water bottle by pouring in 100ml worth into your water bottle to see if it has the same -fatigue values as it does in the full bottle

[raw parcel]

give me 10 minutes ill try that out

[glacial cape]

sorry kinda botched that up lol

[eternal stump]

I AM STEVE

[raw parcel]

mixing soda and water, yeah?

[glacial cape]

yea

[eternal stump]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-movie-minecraft-a-minecraft-movie-jack-black-i-am-steve-gif-13691645871022200802

[raw parcel]

ok hold on

[glacial cape]

:P

[raw parcel]

mixed water with diet cola.

properties get averaged out exactly as youd expect, with values rounded down

expected -0.025, value rounded up to -0.03

pretty neat

[forest shore]

Yep, typos like that happen.. A lot. Especially when you're crunching to release an update lol

[glacial cape]

Alright now mix in gasoline for super energy

[raw parcel]

actually only the displayed value is averaged !!!!!!

[forest shore]

This is how I realized I can make actual alcohol mixed drinks in PZ now.

[raw parcel]

the actual, ingame value is not rounded

[forest shore]

Rum and coke?

[raw parcel]

went from 1 to .975 fatigue

so -.025

[glacial cape]

omg that is so busted lol, esepcially since you could autodrink that

[raw parcel]

perfect

[glacial cape]

dunno how autodrinking would function wwith a mixed concoction but you basically have water, and a energy drink in 1

[raw parcel]

yes with the current vanilla value, you get 1L bottle of half soda half water, on auto drink

you will not sleep for several days

[glacial cape]

a empty soda bottle is 2L's as well

pour 1500ml of water and 500ml of diet coke

you're set or do a 50/50 split

[forest shore]

That's actually a good idea to autofeed an alcoholic - just have a constant supply of mixed drinks you can autodrink

Too bad alcoholic trait isn't in the game anymore, as far as I know.

[glacial cape]

perfect build 42 concoction - spirits, water, coke and gasoline :D

Gas is fuel so it must mean its fuel for my body right? Right?

[stray badger]

Nice, I can see the future in newspapers

[hasty dagger]

anyone else can't make pasta in sauce pan? I have recipe available. not greyed out. but clicking craft button does nothing.

[glacial cape]

I've noticed some of the cooking recipes are not working or just non existent

[hasty dagger]

I also could not make tea

[glacial cape]

like I can open up mac and cheese, get the macaroni and the powdered cheese from it but I can't actually use it to make mac and cheese :(

[eternal stump]

OMG YOU ARE AN TIMETRAVELLER

[opaque schooner]

Real

[glacial cape]

Do you have a list of pops/drinks which reduce fatigue or is it just diet coke

[delicate rover]

new pasttime in b42: collecting photos to fill photo albums

[raw parcel]

Coke, coffee and diet coke

[lament crow]

have any of you guys tried slaying animals yet? i have a knife but it says i dont have a weapon

[winged coral]

I actually saw a car crash with trailer in which a cow was

let the poor animal out as it was stressed, and killed it on the spot for meat.

[raw parcel]

@glacial cape its in the beverages_fluid lua file

Everything you need is there

[glacial cape]

sweet thanks I wonder if there's a way to have them dispalyed in game it would be nice to see these values

[raw parcel]

Debug mode displays all item properties on mouseover

Ill test that autodrink stuff later, if it accepts mixed drinks

[vague trench]

lol the poor cow kills it

[ornate parcel]

Hey, how do I place a sleeping bag inside a tent? Can't get it to work

[bleak gyro]

Damn, that sucks . I spent an hour yesterday questioning my zomboid skills when I couldn’t plumb my sink lol

[glacial cape]

Looks like we'll have to boil our water

in lighter news you can now take bottles from water coolers in office buildings!

and gas cans can store 10k mL of water

[vague trench]

thats awesome!

[hardy fox]

Is there farmland in rosewood?

[glacial cape]

yeah I was very happy about that, so I decided to drive back to where I found the cooler, steal it and tak eone of the many rats which were all inside of those buildings as a pet

[wet cargo]

for some reason you cant wash yourself from a rain barrel and if you cant plumb, the second the water goes off you cant wash anywhere

[forest shore]

Entire school and not a single lighter 0/10 most unrealistic game ever.

On a serious note why are lighters like hens teeth in this version? I can't find one to save my life (literally, day 3 and my smoker is about to flip out)

[glacial cape]

What about lakes, rivers and during a rainstorm?

also you can wash yourself from wells

[forest shore]

If you have a well why have a rain barrel

[glacial cape]

cause the well water is tainted now(ik I was shocked too also I don't believe its infinite anymore just has an extremely high water capacity)

[past spear]

can i just say that i REALLY appreciate light switches glowing in the dark

[glacial cape]

^ so many great QOL of mods apart of the base game now

only one missing for me was weapon condition indicator I hate having to open my inventory just to check my weapons condition

[past spear]

it's kinda necessary with the new darkness but im glad they thought of that

[astral brook]

That's the orphanage

[ornate parcel]

you can wash yourself during rainstorms

[ornate parcel]

have you checked bars/pubs?

or gas stations

[past spear]

ive had no problems finding them. i think they're sometimes in wallets, too

[glacial cape]

I've found matches & disposable lighters unless they're the new lighters? On a side note has anyone checked if you can refill disposable lighters and propane tanks at gas stations

[wet cargo]

you cant i tried

[glacial cape]

you can I've done it before?

[past spear]

in b42?

[wet cargo]

whatt i have a well next to my house and it doesnt let me

[glacial cape]

yea

[vague trench]

yah i love it, i liked that mod and its really useful for filling the chicken water thingies

[forest shore]

Not yet, I jsut spawned in Rosewood. I'll have to work my way up to the gas station and try to find one.. But last gas station I saw in B42 makes me not amped for it.

Also basements are freaking cool AND creepy.

[spiral lake]

I can see thrue walls

[forest shore]

Both are true of real life wells, so that makes sense.

[glacial cape]

there's the wash prompt, and interacting with it and washing works

[glacial cape]

yeah I don't mind it, its a welcome change I was just a bit surprised when I first noticed it

[ornate parcel]

can we talk about how ass the MSR788 rifle is? even at high aiming level it's unusable 😭

[autumn pier]

This is how small it used to be

In B41

[dawn elm]

I am glad the police station got a bigger in build 42 and looks more detail with less bland roofs

[autumn pier]

I’m just glad my favourite town has been improved 🥳

[stray badger]

The Echo Creek dinner looks like a great base

It's even claustrophobia compatible

[verbal sky]

I can’t even play Build 42.

[past spear]

does stomping cause muscle strain?

[strong gull]

There are too many zombies uphead

I mean like, hundreds 😆

[ornate parcel]

on the legs yeah

[ornate parcel]

how come?

[verbal sky]

I’m tryna play and while choosing my spawn point, it freezes

Been like this since yesterday

[ornate parcel]

running any mods at all?

[autumn pier]

Also people on Mac or steam deck can’t play btw

[verbal sky]

No, playing vanilla.

[verbal sky]

I’m playing on my computer, isn’t 8 GB enough ?

[glacial cape]

I agree the tops and sides of every building looks a lot more detailed and has actual life to it instead of being box, or box with a railing fence at the top

[ornate parcel]

honestly I get that, mac/linux and steam deck are such small demographics in the gaming industry

[autumn pier]

I think so, the opt-in is 4gb

[ornate parcel]

8GB RAM? you on a laptop or desktop?

[verbal sky]

Playing on laptop, What’s wrong with my damn laptop 🙏

[stray badger]

In what direction ? I cleared the trailer park I spawned in, but I haven't seen that many zeds around

[strong gull]

if you follow the road upwards, there is this festival thing with the houses. extremely many zombies

[autumn pier]

Taking the fire station (rosewood) was so easy in B41, now I need to take multiple trips between wiping each pocket of zeds I lead out.

And with 5% sprinters? Ik it’s a custom setting but it makes every zed encounter either really easy or definitive

[verbal sky]

I think it’s because of -debug, what do y’all think about this theory ?

[stray badger]

Yeah, that's where I spawned, with little flags everywhere

[ornate parcel]

which CPU does it have? Zomboid is particularly CPU heavy compared to other more "modern" games, I notice it reaching up to 20% on my CPU when it barely hits 10% in much more demanding games

[vague trench]

how are you liking sprinters?

[strong gull]

I may be bullshitting but maybe you have decreased zombie spawns because you spawned there

[stray badger]

That'd make sense

[autumn pier]

Additionally, I got muscle strain enabled, so no old cheese tactics

[ornate parcel]

you have that enabled? first step of trouble shooting is trying that 🤷‍♂️

[verbal sky]

AMD Ryzen 5 3500U, maybe it’s not enough ?

[verbal sky]

I’ve removed it.

[ornate parcel]

Honestly that should be fine, you should at the very least be able to play the game haha

[lethal wolf]

Is it broken by intention to not allow magic purification or will it be "fixed" to previous functionality? I now get the whole plumbing is broken, but I think you once said it purifies water, for now - so once fixed to work, will it still purify water?

[verbal sky]

Yeah, I agree !

[autumn pier]

I can deal with one or two if they’re by themselves, I can identify them by their pig-like screeching so I know I need to change my fighting strategy.

If I see 3 or more, I’m sprinting! 😂

[ornate parcel]

sprinters screech now? 💀

[autumn pier]

Not in the way you’re thinking

It’s just a different zed moan, it’s useful though

[ornate parcel]

in B41 I liked to play with 2% sprinters but haven't tried something like that in B42 yet

[autumn pier]

Helps you know when you found one

[forest shore]

me on steam deck rn:

[vague trench]

lmao i saw someeone post a video of them and their screeching was scary rofl i noped out of that

[autumn pier]

#1318684957526458450 message

[heady field]

[autumn pier]

I’m glad burn tactics still work, not that it matters since sprinters are involved

At least, in my save

[stray badger]

Either way, my foraging/blacksmithing oriented character will have a great time there, it's nice and isolated, and next to a river

[autumn pier]

Would water sources be included in the wilderness outside of the map though? That’s where I’m heading towards anyways

I’m hoping there are little to no zeds there

[ornate parcel]

that's horrifying 😭

[autumn pier]

Thinking about setting base on rosewood lab in time

[lament crow]

Yo guys do you think its humane to let farm animals out of their cages to run free? its not like you can horde every animal on kentucky

[autumn pier]

Once I can make my own katanas preferably

[ornate parcel]

anyone else feel like cars take more damage now btw?

[autumn pier]

Haven’t gotten on one yet so idk

They got new sounds which is nice

[stray badger]

Don't know about car damage, but gas stations were nerfed hard

[glacial cape]

No I don't think so my car being an absolute wreck after roadkilling every dear I see

[strong gull]

How can you burn them if you can't make molotovs?

[ornate parcel]

I swear my car almost got totaled by hitting rabbits on the road

[ornate parcel]

campfire?

[strong gull]

oh

[raw parcel]

echo creek is far away from everything and those pumps may be empty

[bleak gyro]

can we make biofuel

[autumn pier]

I used fire bombs

[lament crow]

Actually speaking on animals, has anyone actually followed them after opening their cage?

[stray badger]

Yeah, but that character is built to live off the land

[jaunty gyro]

Plumbing needs to be a way more complex thing now with the crafting system and it hasn't been finished yet

[keen gorge]

They die after a few days if there's no rain or water troughs

[autumn pier]

@strong gull I should clarify I was using debug to see if the burn tactics still work.

And if nothing else can be made, a burning campfire can still burn them!

[strong gull]

it's slightly funny that the devs removed everything that doesn't work lol

[vague trench]

will we need plumbers outfits n cracks

[drifting thicket]

Can you currently build a campfire? there is no option on craft menu even with 3 stones.

[keen gorge]

It's in the build menu, not the craft menu

[drifting thicket]

I feel dumb thanks

[elder flax]

anyone else feels like b42 is way harder, or?

feel like duping z'ds isnt as efective as it was in b41

[lethal wolf]

Fair, can agree its very magical when you can just will it to work, through any material, and also have it magically be disease-free. With industrial machines being usable, I could see some industrial level water purification in the future, and even makeshift ones via those camping tricks to filter water

[vague trench]

dont be mean to yourself lol gosh were all learning

[keen gorge]

Default now seems to be random zeds so it definitely is more of a pain to keep them aggroed to you

[autumn pier]

Sometimes the zeds flop around like fish out of water too

[glacial cape]

has anyone figured out how to seperate heads and handles of weapons?

[elder flax]

Yeah, i noticed, fist time playing with these slower zeds too, theyre anoying to lead away tbh

[drifting thicket]

Im constantly forgetting there are two menus, btw, any good ways to level up welding? im currently building metal floors, seems the only way since cutting and saw metal stuff doesnt give exp neither diassambling

[glacial cape]

I wanna make a sledgehammer

[forest shore]

They do automatically when they break, but check the crafting menu I think there is a way to do it there.

[glacial cape]

this recipe here

[fallen inlet]

idk but probably I can't load that save again lol

[vague trench]

lol yea same i was like wait how where, im not sure maybe someone in here knows i havent got around to much crafting other than making butter lo

[autumn pier]

🤑

[glacial cape]

oh nvm the recipe to pull heads off weapons is in the same menu lol

check the assembly tab its huge you can straight up make a sledgehammer

[forest shore]

That's to assemble, you want to disassemble right?

[chrome fable]

nothing wrong with your laptop, it's a RAM issue on the game's side, they're working on fixing it, I have a similar problem too and a lot of other ppl as well

[keen gorge]

Crude whetstones are currently uncraftable btw so the only options for sharpening right now are on looted whetstones and grindstones

[glacial cape]

you can do both in the assenbly crafting menu

[autumn pier]

Feels like maintainance and tailoring are even more important now ngl

[glacial cape]

you need level 1 maintenance though, and that seems to level extremely slow through melee

[forest shore]

Why is it uncraftable

[chrome fable]

because the unstable build is unstable

[keen gorge]

It just doesn't work. The option to craft is there but its not pushing through

I'm asking about it in the forums rn

[calm kelp]

Hello guys, i am unable to play the game for a while, but i want to know how it runs?Is it better than 41?

[glacial cape]

do you have the recipe for it?(probably a dumb question just wondering)

[strong gull]

I would say it runs better, especially with many zombies.

[chrome fable]

not really unless you have a beefy pc

[grand kelp]

For me yes it feel so fluid

[forest shore]

A lot of players report a significant fps increase - but there is a current stuttering issue where the game hangs for a second occasionally.

[chrome fable]

its also crashes and freezes all the time

[keen gorge]

Recipes there. You only need 1 maintenance to craft it

[strong gull]

this is true but keep in mind that there aren't really many mods, so the FPS increase comes from that mostly

[drifting thicket]

I have mixed feelings, overall, yes, way better, but i am also feeling a lot more FPS stuttering, wich didnt happen before, but in big zombie amount scenarios or zooming out it doesnt drop the fps so drastically like b4

[grand kelp]

I always had this issue with my potato pc

[glacial cape]

yeah but I have 1 maintenace and it says recipe not learned

[calm kelp]

So now the game doesnt explode if you have 25 zombies on screen and you are zoomed out?

[drifting thicket]

I have a 4070s btw

[calm kelp]

Nice,thank you guys.

[drifting thicket]

And still experience the stuttering

[glacial cape]

maybe maintenace needs to be higher or you need the recipe from a magazine

[keen gorge]

No, seems to be a known issue, a lot of people are currently asking about it in the forums rn

[forest shore]

Stuttering (from what I can gather) may be a memory leak issue

[glacial cape]

Weird guessing you can't make a grindstone either?

[lament crow]

So uhhhh i just got timed out

[drifting thicket]

Does my PC config impact that? because it runs other games flawlessly

[lament crow]

I forgor about the whole situation and saying words, tho i was trying to say something else entirely

[grand kelp]

How can you get baby animals ? You just need to let time pass or you need to do an active thing ? Also is the grass that has been cut by à scythe able to respawn ?

[drifting thicket]

It's 4070s, 32gb ram 4400mhz, ryzen 3600 overclocked to 4.3ghz

[keen gorge]

Grindstone seems to only be lootable but I haven't really messed with the build menu so I might have missed it there

[autumn pier]

I wonder if putting rotten food next to fresh food would cause it to rot as well? I hope not

[glacial cape]

you can make a grindstone you need level 2 knapping though for the chisel or you find a masons chisel

[lament crow]

@keen gorge Ok back to what i was saying before i forgot about the silencer,

So do farm animals have brains? (i cant say the word describing computer name) like if i let them out of a pen will they find water and food? will they stay in the pen or will they run off and die?

[autumn pier]

No, they run away if possible

So if there’s an opening, they’ll leave

[keen gorge]

I don't think they would run if you have a zone setup unless there's no food or water

[forest shore]

Well .. that sucks... Game crashed and all zombies are gone in my area at least (whatever right?) but my bag I had placed down (and seemingly all loot I've found so far) has reset?

[autumn pier]

Oh, I read that wrong.
Yes they will stay if you provide them with food, water, and safety from zeds

By safety from zeds I mean more as in the stress they cause

[lament crow]

Im talking about animals you find in pens already, so is the safest bet to just leave them be? i dont let them be free or anything? i dont plan on coming back to this area anytime soon

Wont they just eventually starve and dehydrate cuz nobody's refilling their stocks?

[autumn pier]

Make sure to have a good amount of food and water for them or you might return to them starving and such

[keen gorge]

In that case yes they do run but I'm pretty sure they unload if you go far enough

[autumn pier]

I haven’t tested those mechanics btw, I’m only guessing that such a thing would happen naturally

Better safe than sorry

[hot grail]

I'd love a sandbox setting to change the amount of zombies that spawn inside buildings. I'm playing with low population but buildings are absolutely filled with them

[lament crow]

Well ig i need to provide some more context, no im not keeping or moving these animals there just some pigs i found in a fenced off yard i thought it'd be more humane to open the gate and let them run free, but your saying there just gonna be fine if i move far enough away?

[glacial cape]

Ik build 42 saws have condition now, but am I the only one who still looks out and keeps the regular saw on me over the woodsaw cause I like the look of it better?

[lament crow]

Also on that note, do zombies see them as a thicc snack or do they only spook animals

[autumn pier]

Supposedly, they’ll make their own zone based on where the food and water is, otherwise, they’ll wander around

I can see what you’re trying to do, but personally, I wouldn’t recommended it. instead, I suggest making a really large pen so that they have lots of space to move around. You can try testing it yourself but I doubt open space will work

[keen gorge]

So I only did one test yesterday on that in debug. There's a chicken farm on Echo Creek that's filled with chickens. I opened the gates, went to Muldraugh, then just fast forwarded about 15 days. When I went back, most are already gone

[harsh gate]

Hey Guys.
In wonder why ladders are not climbable, is this a Bug?

I mean u can build ladders and also climb Sheet ropes.
Why shouldnt they add this mechanic to ladders already in Game World.

[autumn pier]

They might add it later on, but not as of now it seems

[vague trench]

zombers arent attracted to their noises unless you have that enabled , so for my farm because i wanted them to just roam around i just made a sector out of the add zone thingie and they should stay in there so just make sure the place doesnt have zombers in it if you want them to wander around an area

[keen gorge]

So it's either they died offscreen or they despawned once I was far enough away

[hot grail]

There's ladders everywhere now. I'm sure they are working on it

[lament crow]

Damn well i tried ig ill just leave them penned in and eventually they'll starve kinda sad but thats sorta realistic to what would happen to a lot of domesticated animals / pets in an apocalypse ig

[autumn pier]

I tried climbing one, either I didn’t press the right key or they don’t work

[wet cargo]

they dont despawn i was away form my farm for a week and they were still there when i came back

[vague trench]

you can stand in the zone and delete it and they will wander around freely that is what i did

cause i didnt want them to starve lol so i just let them go free!!

[wet cargo]

i just filled those things with food and water and everything was fine

[lament crow]

auggh puppsers u missed the context

they are some random piggies that i propbabbly wont be coming back to for awhile i plan on moving north and i saw these guys vibing in muld, so thats why i started this discussion i wanted to know if their "brains" (i dont think i can describe the computer word for brain still ill get timed out) would actually learn and adapt to survive in the wild or they'll just starve/dehydrate themselves outside of their pen and maybe its safer for a time to leave them there

[vague trench]

yeah i know what youre saying, im saying free them since that water and food will just run out eventually , zombies dont attack them

[lament crow]

right, well i suppose cuz b42 is so early people havent tried to "follow animals" right now so fingies crossed they survive

[elder pivot]

If they are thirsty they move to another area

So I guess the ones that eventually reach a zone with water will survive

[lament crow]

goodbye lil piggy, i hope you have a good life in the apocalypse 🫡

[vague trench]

theyre going to "meat" up and come back with a vengence and murder mitten us

[lament crow]

lol i thought its mother died and it was all alone, she came outta the hay im sure they'll find there way out eventually

Whew, anyway onto something else now guys, can you not use paint cans to fill of water anymore? i dont get an option when walking upto sinks

[autumn pier]

Btw, do animals die of old age?

[vague trench]

good question i would like to know too

[elder pivot]

Eh if the player doesn't they might also be immortal

[vague trench]

ill have to have one line of chickens all named francis the 1rd, 2st, and 5first

[elder pivot]

I call my lambs "food source" 2 and 3

Don't ask what happened to food source one

[vague trench]

lol nooo

[keen gorge]

1 day in and we're getting closer to Build 42, rule 34

[lament crow]

If TIS made it realistic enough then the animals probably wouldent straight "die" as in they'd proabbbly be suffering especially if its a bredthrough domesticated one im sure there would be clear signs a player would need to put down a friendly animal before it suffered too far but idk animals are very fresh so most likely not

[vague trench]

why lol

what the fuck lmao LOL

[keen gorge]

Don't ask me, I blame Reddit

[autumn pier]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-giant-green-gun-gif-25643576

[chrome fable]

https://tenor.com/view/nba-gif-15687325833433865178

[autumn pier]

Pretty sure they stop making milk at one point, so this is probable

[vague trench]

also some of the crust houses in muldrag are AMAZZING

[lament crow]

Yeah well i dont imagine TIS planned that far, theyve done a great job at a lot of other build 42 features but im sure they might have something planned for animals down the line

[elder pivot]

Btw will modders be able to make new animals with new behaviors in the new engine?

At least better than that one dog mod

[storm monolith]

[opaque schooner]

Yes but give it time

[autumn pier]

Yeah dog and cat mods will be way easier to make now

All I’m asking for is that we get lions and other animals from modders

[elder pivot]

The only thing better than the apocalypse is an apocalypse with a dogge

[stray badger]

I want a zombear

[elder pivot]

Or a horse

[autumn pier]

Hell, maybe even a dragon or two would be awesome

[elder pivot]

Oh yeah zombie animals would be DOPE

[rich cove]

-Spawn in Riverside
-City is too crowded so I run away through the roadway
-Find an accident of a farmer and a citizen, checks in the back and finds a bull stuck and crying for help
-Opens up the door and lets him out
-Bull immediately attacks me and pushes me away
-I smack him in the head with my bat, he smacks me back even harder making me retreat and having to rip away my own shirt for bandages
-Drinks 3 bottles of Rum one after the other to soothe the pain and run away to the field
-Dies to one zombie cause I missed the attack and they bit my arm
PEAK PZ, this is so good and fun

[elder pivot]

If I'm already getting mauled by a cow imagine by a zomboid cow

[vague trench]

ahahahaha

dude is just like

[lament crow]

to bad we cant emoji in this chat but damn ig your proabbly not ever gonna be nice to animals again 😅

[vague trench]

literally no regrets

[civic drum]

Not cow, not zomboid cow. Wait until there's wolves that relentless hunt you, the only untainted flesh around.

[rich cove]

Heck nah, can't wait to get a gun on my next game just to shoot the first bull I see running on a field

[autumn pier]

Bro really thought he could one-up a bull

[vague trench]

thats bull-shit lol

[lament crow]

OH GOD dude wolves are gonna be crazy there already batshit insane in dayz, imagine the iso view trying to run away from a full pack most people proabbly wont do a wilderness run then

Unless they change up the combat a bit so its not so stiff

[rich cove]

YEAH IT'S GONNA BE SO FREAKING CRAZY
Wolves and Bears and Idk, Snakes and all the things, it's gonna be awesome lol

[opaque schooner]

LOL

[autumn pier]

https://www.animalspot.net/animals-in-us/animals-in-kentucky

[lament crow]

i hope there common snakes and not venomus ones or atleast the cure for snake venom can be made easy, id rather not walk around and get bit in the toe

[vague trench]

rofl i heard assasin bug bites are pretty horrid

tit mouse!!! add tit mouses!!

[autumn pier]

It would make boots way more valuable

[lament crow]

oh bees aswell would be cool, make ur own hive and get stun by wild ones

[autumn pier]

Honey farming

[rich cove]

don't starve vibes lol
poke a hive of wild bees and runs away desperatly

OOH FROGS TOO frogs near lakes and stuff it'd be awesome

[autumn pier]

Frog legs

😋

[lament crow]

yum, in some b41 mods you could find frogs and "interact" with them to get legs

[elder pivot]

Packs of wild dogs that'd be interesting

[lament crow]

i mean im no geographer, but idk if KY has any swamps they'd probabbly be a breeding ground for frogs and other nasty swamp buggos

[autumn pier]

Not really

[queen shadow]

Does anyone know the breeding seasons of the animals?

[lament crow]

Also another thing can you use a paint can as a container for water? i dont get the option to

[slim merlin]

The more I play with the muscle fatigue the more I hate it

[keen gorge]

Here's a funny question, who is delivering the newspapers inside the exclusion zone

[autumn pier]

Actually, there are swamps in kentucky, but none in knox county from what I just searched

[civic drum]

I recommend turning it in settings to 0.1. It remains, but it's not as aggravating.

[autumn pier]

Local news stations until civilization collapsed ig

[vague trench]

the raccoons thats why theyre afk lol

[civic drum]

Pat is. He said so.

[hard hamlet]

Can't we cook freely anymore ? Cant make hamburgers

[turbid gorge]

GODS WORK

[slim merlin]

Yeah it definitely needs to be tuned down or make the strain go away faster. It’s impossible to do anything at lower strength levels

[ornate parcel]

How is slow metabolism not a positive trait? 💀

[autumn pier]

It makes you fat at the start iirc

[ornate parcel]

Right, but that's easily solvable, is there an actual catch to the trait?

[lament crow]

Ahah! i knew it wasnt just me (i tried stackin the glizzy with a hotdog bun combo it wouldent work)

[autumn pier]

It means you can become fat really fast if you’re not careful

[raw parcel]

Permanent -1 fitness

[lament crow]

someone told me thats a bug theve encounterd aswell, unfortunately me or them dont have a forum account, so we cant report the issue, i just hope someone else has

[raw parcel]

and fitness is notoriously difficult to level

[autumn pier]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-meme-memes-reads-letter-gif-20713760

Fast metabolism is bad too ig

Feels like hearty appetite 2

[hard hamlet]

Yeh it seems that we can't cook as we want anymore

[raw parcel]

they rly need to stop tying starting weight with fitness

and just add debuff to overweightness

[ornate parcel]

imagine running the two together lmao

[lament crow]

I belive that has to do with the whole "crafting isnt fully implemented" issue, that was planned for the unstable b42

What I thought that meant was the newer stuff just wasnt coded properly and needed more time in the oven what that actually means is that EVERYTHING isnt working properly, atleast not with the new systems properly

Tho again, some food options could be a mod cuz i know i had a couple in 41 which would allow for more recipies and items to be combined

[raw parcel]

Metabolism also doesnt work like that irl, you cant create calories out of thin air

[autumn pier]

“I am just a black hole of snacks. I am a snack hole.”

[hard hamlet]

Yeah saph's cooking was insane for that

[lament crow]

but yes plz can someone help me with this? why can i not use a paintcan for water?

[ornate parcel]

one must imagine breaking the laws of thermodynamics

[raw parcel]

bio assimilation is fascinating stuff too

[hard hamlet]

Just wish that we are gonna be able to fry peanut butter again

[autumn pier]

Who know, maybe TIS just happened to find the cure to entrophy

[raw parcel]

too bad pz is contributing to medical disinfo

[civic drum]

I don't know about entrophy, but I do enjoy conjuring empty bowls out of the void every time I make stew.

[raw parcel]

Reverse entropy is always possible in an open system

any computer program writing data decreases entropy, locally

so in a way tis does cure entropy

[heady field]

do we have bear in 42? havent explored much, planned to do so on weekend

[lament crow]

i think its only docile animals atm, well some animals can still attack but nothing like wolves that hunts you down

[ornate parcel]

Does thick/thin skinned still have the same stats as B41?

[lament crow]

also PLEAE AGAIN guys how do you use a paintcan as a water bottle?

or a water container it comes up in my context options as a container but i dont get the option clicking on a sink or anything

[echo aurora]

maybe they just don't work idk, havent seen a paintcan yet

[rich cove]

You need to be really close to the sink from what I noticed, else it doens't show up

[heady field]

I see, yeah I only been seeing small animals like chicken

[static heart]

Any hotfix today ?

[heady field]

Id base up there

[vague trench]

that looks cool have you been inside yet?

[forest shore]

You get a rest bonus from having a pillow now guys! Only a matter of time until we get blankets!