Build 42 Unstable Out Now

[chilly atlas]

ig it just gets my goat when ppl see art techniques they cant immediately grok & start throwing insults. im very passionate abt stuff like that

[dire tapir]

genuinely, what are you concerned about? I dont think anyone's going to go and do something drastic to this guy, if the artist faces any consequences and gets less jobs for using ai that's just a natural consequence of leveraging wide scale content theft from other artists

[dim venture]

again if its AI then no art technique was even used in the first place and we were right?

[limpid crest]

In my opinion, It could be less saturated.

[chilly atlas]

the artist doesnt want to be known bc it could affect his day job, & someone mentioned outing the guy earlier. so yeah it could cost someone their livelihood outside of art

[inland egret]

Now we wait for multiplayer

[remote bear]

Yeah, it kinda threw me off at first. It must be the new moodles and the clock interface being bigger.

[dire tapir]

To be fair a consensus I've seen is that it was ai + artist editing to fix it, so there's no doubt some real art in the slop

[chilly atlas]

braindead. completely fucking braindead. the art technique is emulated even if it wasnt used. ai doesnt have intention but the artists its mimicing do

[blazing coral]

you can change moodle sizes in the options. I settled at 48

[limpid crest]

I guess they will grow to me with time, they are not that bad to be honest. You can make the clock being smaller again on the settings tho.

[gray chasm]

So uh what does this mean? Just really unhappy?

[gentle bolt]

you can hover over a moodle and it will tell you about it

[blazing coral]

=

[lament star]

In my opinion the new moodles are indicative of the TIS teams move from the previous low-rez pixel style to a new sleeker style, all the parts of the game just aren’t there yet

[limpid crest]

put your mouse over it and find out :3

[remote bear]

I'll check when it ain't too late. @blazing coral, thank you both for lmk

[chilly atlas]

so we're just not "respecting artists" now

[buoyant nymph]

Are we liking the new Moodles?

Yes = green emoji
No = red emoji

[gray chasm]

I forgot I played w/ a mod that told me exactly what moodles meant, but yeah stress makes sense

[dim venture]

@chilly atlas genuine question since this is a very clear feature, but why does it show 6 openings in the microphone grille on one side but 5 on the other. not making any claims just asking?

[remote bear]

Does anyone else think the direction for the weather moodles to be a bit weird?... or like hard to understand. For example, Getting Hot was a little weird to read.

[dire tapir]

The little led lights on the mic are super weird too

[dim venture]

bit clearer now

[forest shore]

The artist TIS uses for this art is the same they've had for several other pieces in the past. Lemmy did comment on this on Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1hgn14t/comment/m2klwqu/?context=3&share_id=JkYjCziMs-8qzsAHXAycb&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

[pallid hinge]

I don't mind the moodles themselves, but these little edges bother me

[gleaming perch]

hol on u right

[buoyant nymph]

SAME feel like the moodles are HD but the stuff around it isn’t

[solid lotus]

AI USED IN THE MOODLES??!?! /s
:^)

[limpid crest]

this one somehow is funny to me in a way i can't put on

[dire tapir]

Some of the moodles are really cute but some of them I don't really vibe with, maybe just because it's new

[pallid hinge]

Exactly! It just doesn't seem fit well with what they are going for, it the edge was smoothed out it would be a non-issue

[forest shore]

Probably the mic design they used for reference. This is a real product one.

[hardy fox]

can i make animal feed

[thick laurel]

Bark

[buoyant nymph]

Devs were worried we’d not like the gameplay, while like the biggest gripe is potential ai art and some little details bout moodles. They must be proud lmao, nervous over nothing. Update is solid

[dire tapir]

You're the goat, can you work your magic and find whatever amplifier/output box they were using as a reference or is your expertise in microphones?

[chilly atlas]

idk, if it absolutely couldnt be ai then i would assume they made a mistake tracing a 3 model. maybe its a mistake? maybe the entire image was fabricated by a machine

[remote bear]

Aren't there actual microphones designed like this though?

[lament star]

I think something to give credit towards it not being AI is the mesh over the microphone is absolutely perfect

[chilly atlas]

i was wondering if this might be the case but i couldnt find a pic online lol. the mic in the img generally looks kinda funny to me

[blazing coral]

confirmation bias is one helluva drug

[forest shore]

That's a ham radio - can be pretty hard to track down for sure, but if you look up ham radio you'll see a ton of examples.

[limpid crest]

Nah, doubt.

[remote bear]

Check the Crafting Menu, you may be able too search up "animal feed" or something like that

[tawny musk]

amazing thank you devs

[solid lotus]

Im joking, I doubt it too

[dire tapir]

The window continuity is bad though lol

[chilly atlas]

i said "artists have intention" & u said "no they dont" why dont u read what ur responding to sometime

[forest shore]

I doubt the images are AI - a lot of the things people have pointed out are just.. Mistakes.

[thick laurel]

It could just be both

[rich cove]

fished this -4 hunger fecker and then broke my rod on the next one

[chilly atlas]

the red line u drew doesnt even exist in the picture

[solid lotus]

Another thing is the headphone cable merging into her pen btw ; )

[limpid crest]

I could say that it is 30% AI and 70% edited by hand

[remote bear]

Artists can draw mistakes into their own art... whaaat

[civic drum]

Ma'iq is pleased to find many calipers.

[inland egret]

Christmas came early

[blazing coral]

the idea is set on their minds. no use in fueling the discussion

[chilly atlas]

literally every artist whose art is used to train ai models. either u rly rly rly dont read or ur trying to assert that real art isnt used to train ai

[thick laurel]

Does this really bother the gameplay

[dire tapir]

Hey man I feel like you're spending a lot of time telling people they're misinterpreting you and not reading what you're saying without considering that maybe you need to consider your own approach and consider things from their perspective. Also red line is the inside of the window which exists between bottom planks but disappears for no reason (continuity errors with ai beloathed)

[solid lotus]

Gotto say these aren't mistakes experienced artists make ^^"

[remote bear]

That could literally shading mistakes with the artist???

[pallid hinge]

we need a pig symbol, we have a lot of the other animals

[lament star]

Why is there a radiation symbol

[forest shore]

On the note of the art - I want to set it as my background. Where can I find it in the files

[dire tapir]

Oh, y'know

[pallid hinge]

There was in B41 as well

[chilly atlas]

u ask too many concessions in order to FEEL like ur perspective is respected and considered. it doesnt deserve that tho

[oak beacon]

How do I make the stone hammer (Without looted items other than nature stuffs)

[blazing coral]

was it ever the case that you drop the plastic bag from your hand when jumping windows?

[forest shore]

Omg guys respirators do things now too btw! Also! Setting to have living zombies make you sick too 😄

[dire tapir]

I believe everyone here is acting in good faith, even you

[severe egret]

Hmmm.. still possible to recieve a hole and a wound in a single attack

[remote bear]

Probably with the new primitive crafting system, B42 is relatively new. Gotta experiment for yourself.

[pallid hinge]

That is new, and you will drop your backpack on those tiny windows in trailers - Unless you are talking about tall fences, then yea you drop your bag or whatever is in your secondary slot

[chilly atlas]

u get no brownie points from me for being malicious & disrespectful toward a craft i care abt even if u end up being correct on one point

[forest shore]

Weird I can't get the mods I'm downloading for B42 to showup in my mod list?

[blazing coral]

oh damn. I don't know how I feel about it... kinda annoying and there would be ways to jump a window without dropping what you are holding

[chilly atlas]

yes, there had to be art to begin with in order for it to be plagiarized.

[cunning turtle]

Green emoji

[hollow sonnet]

Ai art bad

[dire tapir]

Genuinely, if you feel I'm discrediting all artists by pointing out possible issues with ai, let me know. I say these things because I love art and have a lot of respect for artists, but if you have valid criticism then you should tell me what I'm doing that's a disservice to art in specific terms—not just casting a wide net and saying vagueries. I also really think you should evaluate and be critical of your own position here, because I genuinely don't think the people you're talking to mean any ill will towards artists and you're coming in way too hot

[solid lotus]

ai art isnt art
thanks

[pallid hinge]

I emptied the fuel pump

[forest shore]

Has anyone had luck with mods yet? I can't get any to show up in the mod menu

[chilly atlas]

see ur gonna use slick rhetoric like that & pretend u have anyones best interest in mind. no ill will, cos insults & threats arent ill will? i talked abt the techniques i saw & why grading art on points to see if its ai is bad but u didnt read that bc u had to wait til i was more apparently fed up

[pallid hinge]

If they are old mods the mod dev needs to update it with the new filepathing system

[oak beacon]

Why is the lonely cabin surrounded by 300 zombies.....

[forest shore]

I'm just an idiot .-. Saw the Cell Optimizer mod thought it was for 42

[pallid hinge]

this happens

[dire tapir]

1. I genuinely don't think I ever insulted or threatened you at any point in this discussion, but feel free to point me towards any responses I said that gave that impression
2. I wasn't talking about grading based on 'points', I was looking at specific bits that to me flag as ai tells that regular artists wouldn't do because the logic behind how that image gets built up is just not how art is made
3. genuine question because I'd like to know your relation to this: are you an artist, and/or do you use ai art?

[magic dagger]

what do u guys think about new moodles icons

[blazing coral]

sheet sling backpack my beloved

[sterile silo]

hate them

[wet timber]

0/10

[clever imp]

haven't seen them

[magic dagger]

dang i prefer old moodles

[chilly atlas]

what is it that u want then? bc if u care abt the integrity of the art, tis is investigating & thats all we'll get. but all harping on it here has done has emboldened ppl to express dangerous sentiments like tracking down the artist & harassing developers.

it is RLY fucking boldm incorrect, outright direspectful of u to assume artists dont make those mistakes. bc the msg ur sending is that making mistakes in art devalues it to the degreee that it might as well not even BE art. i do technical art as a hobby, i like making diagrams & such. i make a lot of those mistakes. frankly it feels like shit to see. uve invented an abstract "artists" to respect, but ur disrespecting real artists right in front of u

[wet timber]

took the words right out of my mouth. bravo

[steep palm]

Oh yes, I'm looking forward to try build 42, even unstable 🙂

[astral brook]

Maybe a bit of ai but added real art to it

[wet timber]

not even, that is real human made art

[pallid hinge]

I found a road that does not exist on the map

[clever imp]

Honestly I feel like the hate for AI art is overrated.
Yeah, AI art is not art per the definition of art, it's more like a tool to help you visualise without having to try to draw yourself or hire an artist.
Sure, it'll take away the paid aspect for lower quality artists, but it's not like people will stop liking actual art or anything.
We're certainly not getting rid of AI art, so might as well embrace it and work with it.
Obviously, I'm not an artist, so my take is kind of meh.

That being said, I do feel like IndieStone can actually afford to pay an artist, so if they paid an artist, expecting actual art, and got AI art in return then I'd expect them to complain.
The new loading screen's don't look 100% AI imho, even if they are, they've been heavily touched up to be more coherent/consistent.

V Hate to say it, but that's the future, it is what it is.
Plenty of industries have gone through the same shtick, it sucks but you can't exactly stop it.
Stopping it is literally akin to halting progression, which is a no bueno in my book.

[chilly atlas]

nah ai is predatory & theyre going to pull moves on the art industry that push freelancers out like adobe did

[blazing finch]

if you're talking about the loading screens, it's not ai art.

[solid lotus]

AI is litterally killing peoples livelyhood n passion
all for making a quick buck

[wet timber]

the loading screens arent AI those are genuine human mistakes + you can clearly see the brush strokes

[clever imp]

Making art shouldn't be about money to begin with (not saying AI art taking over mainstream is a good thing per se, but art should be more about passion, though I understand why some people make it their job in order to earn money)

[storm dagger]

i dont understand why people say that the new moodles icons are made with ai

[edgy kiln]

ai had to copy something to get the style it usually has

[chilly atlas]

no matter what excuses u can make for it its a wider issue than just "is it good or bad? is it human or not? do artists like it or not?" artists liked photoshop but now they have to pay out the ass to use it. ai is gonna embed itself in any industry that it can & regardless of whether it pushes anyone out in the process, once it makes itself necessary & jacks up the prices it certainly will

[solid lotus]

"that's the future"
Reject the future, fight it.

@wet timber This is AI for sure.

[wet timber]

lol no they arent

[dire tapir]

A little bit of it is that I find it really interesting to see artists deconstructing ai art and picking up on things that my untrained eye can't catch; I am genuinely sorry that you feel put out by people criticizing AI art and feel caught in the crossfire, but I want to be clear that like: yeah, artists make mistakes, and that doesn't make them not artists. As I said, I was discussing this with an artist friend and they picked up on some things I thought were really interesting that are mistakes (usually) unique to ai. I feel like I've been pretty receptive to people suggesting it's not ai (e.g. microphone find), I'm not going into this dogmatically as you suggest I am

It does feel disingenuous to suggest that making legitimate criticisms somehow makes someone complicit in people taking it too far though because like: if theyre using AI art, we SHOULD call them out on it. I never expressed harm towards the artist, nor do I feel like the way I have acted has been like FUCK THIS GUY RAUUUGH like man I'm just having a conversation. I think people have exhausted this sufficiently enough but like, I did try to end this conversation with you twice. I said 'hey I just don't think we're going to see eye to eye' but you kept belittling me, called someone else 'braindead' and were way more rude to me than I was to you at any point in this convo.

[solid lotus]

A lot of artists agree that it's AI thats been touched up. @wet timber

[unborn zealot]

You can notice that ia was used if you see the texts

[pallid hinge]

🤣 pretty much this

[clever imp]

Reject the future... Yikes.

Yeah no, obviously AI has to copy something to get the style it usually has, that's how a lot of artists go about art anyhow. The AI just takes (usually) publically available images and use those to learn, the only difference is it's a machine.

Ai doesn't exist in a vacuum.
Of course it doesn't, nothing ever does. I'm not (just woke up 😭) exactly oblivious to the ethical concern.

In the end this is just typical industrialisation, though admittedly in a sector that isn't inherently needed.

[thick laurel]

Racist, Asian intelligence has brought them to space before

[pallid hinge]

Serious question: What if you train an AI on your own backlog of art - does that make it more or less ethical?

[dire tapir]

Big issue is that all current models aren't trained ethically; they scrape art, including from IP protected sources, and then profit off that stolen work. Theoretically someone could make ethical llm/agis by paying people to make training art or words but right now it's just all stolen

[clever imp]

And that's not good, but it's gotten too far to be able to scrub that out, so we're better off just rolling with it

[dire tapir]

I think that's the only ethical way to do it but ai requires so so much art that I'm not sure it's feasible to get models that don't look like nightmare fuel purely on the output of one person, they'd have to get lots of artists to provide art

[clever imp]

"other people have standards" as if a persons standard isn't subjective.

[coral basin]

Or redo it and not steal art

[chilly atlas]

ur taking shots at something u perceive to be ai - when u pick the wrong target, be it the art itself or little details - other artists become collateral. thats disrespectful. if thats what u do with ur friends, fine, whatever. are u among friends rn? this is a public channel. artists u dont know have to see this shit

also ur not talking abt accountability. ur talking abt a witch hunt. tis is talking to the artist presumably, & thats ur accountability. "calling that out" is clearly not doing shit except riling ppl up. congrats on being sooooo polite abt all that!!!

[wild oak]

let alone this abomination

[dire tapir]

This is the kind of attitude that will help AI embed itself in our culture; it's easy not to care but we can absolutely push for legislation to prevent things getting worse/restrict profits based on if training data was stolen, it's inaccurate to say that it's better for us to just give up. It's more convenient individually, but it won't make the world better

[clever imp]

AI has already embedded itself in our culture, it's practically inevitable, we literally cannot stop it.
I for one think it has more benefits than downsides, though I have a pretty blank opinion on AI art and AI as a whole, I mostly just compare it to typical industrialisation

[gusty bronze]

this

[chilly atlas]

u should push back against things that will hurt ppl even if its hard or seems impossible

[blazing finch]

I want my pixelated moodles back

[unborn zealot]

Personally I have no problem with AI other than it looks corporate and lifeless

[opaque schooner]

We’re still going on about ai?

[velvet egret]

gonna report it on the forums?

[thick laurel]

[wet timber]

Get Out

[plush wigeon]

Ok, I might be stupid

But shouldn't they be svg ?

Because that was a point right ?
Make them better on all res ?

[solid lotus]

Yessir.

[dire tapir]

I agree with your first paragraph, I don't agree with your second. You feel far more riled up than I've seen anyone else be and I think this has gotten past the point of being productive. Best of luck man

[pallid hinge]

I did ❤️ 💪

[wild oak]

the entire pz community is losing braincells because of ai and that loss of braincells is creating a very very very stupid argument that has been slowly getting dumber by the hour

[thick laurel]

Woah the skull emoji looks pretty cool here

[topaz sorrel]

omg go out there and touch zombies

[dire tapir]

I'm sorry but I don't think your opinion is as blank as you think it is

[solid lotus]

and get muscle strain? no way!

[heavy crown]

Melee combat feels pretty rough starting out I think, I don't know if it gets much better after a couple days or with strength levels. I'll go try a strong/fit build even though it seems a lot harder to pull that off with current trait point balance.

[spark gyro]

strength does nothing for it

[wild oak]

my beloved exhausted moodle

[unborn zealot]

What do you classify as art in the first place?

[velvet egret]

I just made a forum account lol might report a bug or two I found

[blazing finch]

I hope they buff melee ngl

[topaz sorrel]

why thee id's tho?, I dont know what purpose you would have unless you are a serial killer in MP

[clever imp]

I mean, per the definition of art, AI art is not art, there's no denying that.

[civic drum]

Ok, where do you actually find the growing season of a crop after you've learned it?

[wet timber]

go argue with the wall

[chilly atlas]

the problem with like 99% of ai criticism is literally this, starting & ending with "does it look appealing to me?" i have seen some good-looking ai art but we will never get to see art made by artists who never got to try it or never got to put themselves out there cos they were gatekept by tools like ai

[wild oak]

AI itself is only half the problem, the other half of the issue is (mostly but not only) laziness and the willingness to take the easiest route possible

[wet timber]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-reaction-gif-14299170783828046819

[solid lotus]

Enjoying new content =/= feedback lol

[crisp flicker]

Try resizing them in the options, theres different sizes to suit different setups/resolutions

[pallid hinge]

❤️ TY I shall take a peep at the options

[hearty pond]

could you please move the ai discussion to general chat that people can use this chat to actually discuss the darn update?

[chilly atlas]

i was gonna complain im getting tired too fast but i forgot i put the game on half hour days so i could see da pretty lights

[unborn zealot]

You don't even bother to have an argument

[wild oak]

stupidity is a force that cant be stopped (and also people just naturally like to complain about anything they can)

[wet timber]

because there is no point arguing with you 💔

[solid lotus]

Cause you can't google, I'll help ❤️
the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.

[unborn zealot]

They're only illustrations made by artificial intelligence. Art will remain inherently human

[wild oak]

screw it can we just revert back to being fish

[hearty pond]

I found a chicken trailer earlier, that seem to have space in the back for eggs and feed, are those actually mobile animal home trailers?

[heavy crown]

Does it do nothing right now to that end yet? The skill description does mention it should.

[chilly atlas]

i love making arguments & then ppl dont read them & act like nobody made an argument

[solid lotus]

The internet™️

[unborn zealot]

By that definition AI isn't even creating art, there's no reason to argue then

[gusty bronze]

0 strength 10 fitness is hilarious btw
kill one zombie and you're strained

[thick laurel]

I asked an AI to draw the UK

[crisp flicker]

Aye lets switch it up please folks, I think we've all heard enough backing and forthing about AI
Its already been noted its being looked over

[clever imp]

^ Sure 👍
I agree with this.
Like, I can see the downsides, but I feel like the upsides outweigh the downsides, but maybe that's just a shit take

[wild oak]

haters will say glorbus drew this

[spark gyro]

it seems to be more focused on weapon skill level

[solid lotus]

it is a shit take, you got that right

move on to the moodles being shit next instead of the ai art :^)

[buoyant nymph]

zwho replaced Greater Ireland with "Great Britain" what does that mean

[wild oak]

if humanity could be defined in two words itd be ignorance and stubbornness

[thick laurel]

What Ireland

[hearty pond]

i assume its a bit of both, as in the weapon skill and the strength skill have a influence

[fickle timber]

They should replace muscle strain with fatigue and have it gain slower with high strength and fade faster with high fitness, and it should only cause pain when excerising the fatigued muscles

[clever imp]

Fyi we were just asked to stop this discussion and I feel like that response was uneccesary, just saying 🤓

V Mf you're the one bringing it up again 😭

[wet timber]

can we please mute people who keep talking about the AI

[unborn zealot]

Bruh

[wild oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1160784514633715744/1312620361237528667/attachment.gif

[keen gorge]

AI is love AI is life

[clever imp]

💀

[hearty pond]

also, the garden fork is fun, once you did enough beating up with it as spear it becomes a short blunt
literally just beating things up with the grip

[glad plume]

Why is everyone talking about AI

[fickle timber]

I absolutely agree with the inclusion of the mechanic but it makes early game very very difficult. Adrenaline should also be modded in, one of my favourite mods made it so panic overrides sleep to a certain degree allowing you to escape unwanted fights. This should be added + high panic reduces felt pain

[keen gorge]

Something something AI generated artwork

[chilly atlas]

i dont have a forum acct so note to self for later or if someone else wants to report: 2 mailboxes

[clever imp]

(If you want to know why people are yapping about AI, just scroll up, don't ask)
Anyhow, moving on;
The old moodles had way more character, they should put them back.
The new moodles aren't inherently shit, but the old ones have grown too much on me.

[hearty pond]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3386409674 there you go

[unborn zealot]

Now about the update, multiplayer is going to be freaking awesome with all the new features

[chilly atlas]

the ui at this point looks disjointed, maybe its just growing pains but i dont think the newer style fits

[clever imp]

Been waiting for basements for a very long time
Can't wait for MP

[wet timber]

these are the better moodles imo
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3386486141

im in love with basements

[thick laurel]

This update is going to bankrupt Farming simulator 25

[gusty bronze]

the new moodles are... yeah...

[cosmic yoke]

anyone else unable to open canned sardines or is my character just especially stupid

[chilly atlas]

also if ur not a fan of time controls to begin with (hiii) the fact that theyre huge now sucks lol

[clever imp]

Eh, maybe I'm tweaking but I prefer the OG ones

[wet timber]

i mean, they are not bad but some of them need serious improvements

[unborn zealot]

Can't wait to have my egg company

[buoyant nymph]

last thing I’ll say bout it

[chilly atlas]

I FORGOT TO TURN THE MUSIC BACK ON

[clever imp]

The new moodles work, but they feel like generic corpo simplification/smoothing.
The old ones had way more character (Muh pixlr armt)

Tbf the reason they seem out of place is because we've had the old ones for so long, I'm sure we wouldn't care as much if we had the new ones first

[unborn zealot]

I like the pixelated style of the old ones better, the new ones seem out of place

[blazing coral]

IT'S GREAT

[keen gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-wrestling-boss-of-this-gym-босскачалки-gif-19291437

[buoyant nymph]

B42 is a great update

[chilly atlas]

we neeeeeeed b42 tag on the workshop or im gonna start biting ppl

[blazing coral]

cut myself 3 times trying to throw a corpse out the window and now I can't sleep yay

[cosmic yoke]

literally i just tried looking at b42 on the workshop and started crying. horrific in there

[hearty pond]

already there

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=108600&browsesort=toprated&section=readytouseitems&requiredtags[]=build 42

[keen gorge]

Project Zomboid battle pass update when?

[halcyon echo]

Will separate blog posts be posted when it releases on Mac??

[blazing coral]

reminder that they TIS won't accept bug reports for modded games

[pallid hinge]

no battlepass, ever please.

[thick laurel]

They should turn this game into a turn based mmorpg

[chilly atlas]

weirdly that is showing up for me nowhere not even in the link. like i can see that its filtering but i dont see a checkbox or any indicator that the filter exists anywhere

[cyan blaze]

anyone found a way to fix black screen in menu?

[hearty pond]

you can see it when you are on mods that are tagged, steamworkshop is probably a lil slow in updating their sidebar

[chilly atlas]

ye i'll deffo try to reproduce glitches without mods where i find them

emoji react would make using this channel sm easier. 👍 sry for the biting threats

[coral basin]

You could like push back though

[topaz sorrel]

I restarted and it worked

[clever imp]

Ok what part of stop talking about AI do you mfs not get 😭

[coral basin]

What does stop mean

[topaz sorrel]

I want AI to come to my house and put me to shame like a dom mommy

I just named my new character in 42 Ai

[hazy seal]

Arthur Ingram

[pseudo temple]

b43 will have AI in it guys

[upbeat frost]

Loot tables seem very wack right now, did 3 short runs to try some things out and had to check like 5+ houses in each run to find a weapon or even a basic knife

[cyan blaze]

I've already tried that

[solid lotus]

Look, it is 100% AI (w/ editing), go on reddit if u want to discuss it or find more proof
focus on the other stuff plz thx

[unborn zealot]

Ive found 3 needles in one sewing kit, it was glorious

[thick laurel]

Try those rarity settings in sandbox

[cyan blaze]

tenho a leve impressão de q tu é brasileiro

[wet timber]

mods mute this guy

[cyan blaze]

whats happend?

[wet timber]

not you babygirl youre perfect

[cyan blaze]

I dont like girls, I like project zomboid 👎

[fickle timber]

I'd have liked to join the conversation about the new art but it appears that not everyone is being level headed about it

[wet timber]

😭

[upbeat frost]

Also, is the whole thing with starting with a pistol and loads of ammo just a permanent change or is it a temporary thing so that we can test the new aiming system?

[unborn zealot]

Temporary id say

[hazy seal]

[pallid hinge]

there was a quicktip in the popup window said they wanted us to test it

[fickle timber]

It's stated to be temp

Also mods can we please reduce the slow mode? Even a little to like 30-45 seconds would be better

[dusky hamlet]

what about AI?

[clever imp]

😭

[thick laurel]

The next person to mention AI

[chilly atlas]

me

[unborn zealot]

AI this nuts

[opaque schooner]

Guys the chickens are powered by chat gpt

[dusky hamlet]

i did this for the funny

[clever imp]

chat can we turn chatgpt into a nuclear reactor

[pallid hinge]

Now THAT is mood lighting

[upbeat frost]

Ok but the zombie's AI actually seem to be dumber than usual, they keep just walking into cars and ignoring me screaming and shooting in the other direction even when I'm like 10 tiles away

[unborn zealot]

I fucking love the new lighting it really adds to the atmosphere

[clever imp]

sex!!!

[dusky hamlet]

SEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cyan blaze]

[hazy seal]

[pallid hinge]

🥵

[dusky hamlet]

Your next.

[snow anchor]

Wait, I haven't played yet, Did they remove the text from the loading screens?

[cyan blaze]

[pallid hinge]

I love it, it is really amazing what they have done with it!

[dusky hamlet]

mfw you give me head

[thick laurel]

When is this getting renewed https://map.projectzomboid.com

[upbeat frost]

Having magazines and books have a bar of enjoyment and stress reduction instead of just giving the exact values seems very weird to me considering food still gives the exact value

[pallid hinge]

Looks like water just went out in my run.

[hearty pond]

I had a suicide event with a deagle, a pumpgun and one of the hunting rifles, the dude really made sure

[frosty flame]

gonna test b42 finally

[azure moat]

they added so, so much

[unborn zealot]

It felt like playing project zomboid 2

[dusk echo]

Find house keys on zombie
Open front door using them
House alarm
h u h

[pallid hinge]

I have been playing since 2011, so it feels like Project Zomboid 42 to me

[unborn zealot]

I want to keep chickens as pets

[chilly atlas]

d'oh! forgot to turn that off

[hearty pond]

there's a farm close to the new spawn point!

[hearty pond]

probably going to take a few days, there's a lot new

[blazing coral]

I got jump scared by the 2 dudes in a room wearing thongs event

[thick laurel]

K

[hearty pond]

"status sedated", "status wired" uuuuh, what

[blazing coral]

I feel like sneaking isn't that much better and/or zombies are seeing me when it doesn't seem like they should. Like sneaking on the second floor but they somehow see me through a window that I'm far away from.

Anyone else trying the rat route and having the same experience?

[cyan wharf]

I’m enjoying the game like the first time I played, oh boy

[gentle bolt]

probably in reference to stimulants and depressants

[hearty pond]

havent seen any yet, didnt even knew they were included

[blazing coral]

Egg. 🥚

[pallid hinge]

Gosh I am so excited for my friends to play this

[severe prawn]

Hmmm. What happy moodle does?

[austere pewter]

I like the new update. It feels in my opinion a little bit more realistic.

[cyan wharf]

On that note, I unsubscribed to all my mods and verified game files just to get a fresh start, just cause I’m in the +1,000 mod gang

Recommended 👍

[vernal scroll]

what is improved hunting/expanded crafting going to include?

[pallid hinge]

I can dig it, just so you know game auto disabled mods when you launch it for the first time

[severe prawn]

I honestly like that one more than brocken bones

[cyan wharf]

I figured it would, but I unsubscribed just to remove the anxiety of enabling mods again heh

[pallid hinge]

Haha fair 🙂

[cyan wharf]

Anyway, everyone enjoy 🙏 gn to everyone (or day)

[hearty pond]

Item condition indicator has been updated, my life is saved

[umbral gate]

Hey is anyone else not seeing all of the spawn location options? My brother is playing and he's telling me there are like 9 spawn options, but I'm only seeing 5 for some reason

[pallid hinge]

I only saw 5 as well - Riverside, Rosewood, Echo Creek, Muldraugh, and Westpoint

[hearty pond]

There are just 5, probably modified his files

[umbral gate]

Ok lol, I thought it was on my end - thanks for the quick reply

[astral brook]

So is anyone not getting specific magazines, relating to the new weapons? The magazines shown in the teaser images, for some reason I can't find them, I've tried riverside 2 times, both in the library and the post office, so far nothing.

[nova wharf]

Honestly thought the new map was gonna be like lv but bigger, turns out thats not the case

[chilly atlas]

isnt the new map... a huge extension around the entire area of the old map?

[forest shore]

I find it funny that empty beer bottles have to be opened with a bottle opener before they can be filled with water.

[forest shore]

Yes and no. The map extensions is mainly to the west. But there's procedural forest around the map now making it practically infinite.

[forest shore]

There's a mod on the workshop already that adds more spawns.

[pallid hinge]

I LOVE this is a thing

[spring bane]

bro how do i scale down this ui?? is it just me or is it massive now?

[nova wharf]

I was expecting something like an rc replacement but its just towns scattered around

[velvet egret]

reference to Blair Algol

[spark vine]

you are

[pallid hinge]

I noticed this too, but I didn't make the connection 😄

[alpine helm]

can someone see where I am? lol

[wind tide]

what are shingles for?

[velvet egret]

short-sighted and no flashlight? Yikes lol

[chilly atlas]

ig i was expecting towns scattered around. trying to go off the map rn tho

[alpine helm]

yes lol i think I'm going to die
looks very scary

[crimson ruin]

holy crap!! got 1 notification in the server and this was it!! 😍 😍 😍 😍 😍 so excited!

[tender elm]

i guess we have a tarkov easter egg somewhere else in the game

[pallid hinge]

🤣

muscle strain is going to make heli event so much worse lol

[velvet egret]

every time my character groans due to muscle strain/aches, I keep thinking there’s a zed nearby

[pallid hinge]

That caught me too earlier! When I was huffing and puffing cause I was exerted, went into my safe house to rest and I was like what the heck!

[fickle timber]

If I decided to make a map mod fo B41, would it be easy to port over to B42?

[frosty flame]

honestly, i really like a lot of the new icons. the ones i prefer the old ones to are pained, panicked, and angry.

[velvet egret]

imagine an MP server where everyone’s exhausted. Some players gonna think a horde is approaching 😆

[pallid hinge]

🤣 Trueee

[severe prawn]

I think we can get used to new art style

[flat phoenix]

As far as we know all you need to do is re export your map mod to make it work for b42. But you’re best joining the mapping community and wait for further details just in case.

[frosty flame]

oh definitely, i think they're both great even though the pixel style was a very appealing choice

[pallid hinge]

oh my gosh, bringing up the crafting menu is so smooth now

[hybrid frost]

Has anyone found any caves yet?

[fickle timber]

Ah okay thanks. Btw quick question but how easy is it to get into Zomboid map modding as a complete noob no experience. I only really want to make one store for an inside joke kinda thing

[pallid hinge]

It takes a bit of getting used to, but once you understand the production flow it isn't that bad. I highly recommend you check out this youtube series by a former TIS employee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKMrQsxyXTQ&list=PLc7_sQ-Tb6e3siC4Cwu4JfxuqJZkGO6sy

[fickle timber]

Will do, cheers

[flat phoenix]

Yeah as tcn its take a bit of effort and patience to learn but once you know how it all works its fun and becomes easier once you know the process. Watching the video series they linked is recommended.

[austere pewter]

[fickle timber]

All things worth it require effort, I'll give it a look

[frozen wyvern]

What's really exciting now is that we'll be getting constant updates to the beta to play along with 😄

[flat phoenix]

Overall I’m very satisfied with the build, it’s been so worth the wait.

[pallid hinge]

yea it is excellent!

[frozen wyvern]

I haven't been able to explore much yet since it's hard to secure a car with the muscle strain lol

[pallid hinge]

lure and lead away is your best bet to start

[frozen wyvern]

See I've always played a lot more aggressively so it's a big learning curve lol

[meager zephyr]

lol there was an update that removed new art from the game

[pallid hinge]

100% feel this haha 😄

[frozen wyvern]

Wait huh? Really?

[pallid hinge]

Air Activity Detected

[ocean reef]

build 41 when?

[round current]

I can’t be the only one who thought the over-encumbered moodle was a lamp at first glance

[severe prawn]

Wha

[velvet egret]

[ocean reef]

its like a countdown to the real zombie apocalypse

[cyan blaze]

was found a way to fix the black screen at start the game?

[frozen wyvern]

Prob just restart the game

[wet timber]

Dealing with some texture flickering. I use Intel Graphics 630 with pretty low settings in game

[cyan blaze]

I've been doing this since 8pm

[frozen wyvern]

Hmmmm, what device r u running it on

[orchid violet]

rest animations need their orientation reset during other actions while resting. Muscle fatigue is brutal

[cyan blaze]

Windows 10, 16gb ram

[frozen wyvern]

I've heard there might be issues with integrated graphics cards, do u have one of those?

All else fails, verify the integrity of the game files

[astral brook]

Did someone update the pz map to build 42? Because I really want to see of that skyscraper made it in.

[fickle timber]

How does one back up their save

[pallid hinge]

it's not updated yet

[cyan blaze]

integrated graphics is in cpu, alright? I have a gpu, amd

[cyan blaze]

I can only hear the sound effects, but i cant see the menu

[astral brook]

Alright, but has anyone found the new recipe magazines from the teasers? I haven't found any of them except for one of the metalsmithing magazine.

[mild atlas]

it looks like an image you would find on a boardgame card

[frozen wyvern]

I'm also really enjoying the music, even though it's kind of a slight tonal shift towards being way more ambient. Not a bad thing at all, but quite different

[silent thicket]

thank you for making text readable!

[pallid hinge]

This heli needs to go away

[rich cove]

I found one for wrap barbed Wire around stuff

[hollow sonnet]

What are the new occupations if someone could list em out. I’m at work unfortunately

[fickle timber]

Blacksmithing is all I can remember off the top of my head

[hollow sonnet]

I think there’s forest dweller? Was wondering what stats it gave

[hard jolt]

On the left is build 41 and on the right is build 42. How to turn off antialiasing? Textures look “plasticine”....

[frozen wyvern]

I don't think you can turn it off atm but I would guess it should be an option soon

[pallid hinge]

Fire Officer, Police Officer, Park Ranger, Construction Worker, Security Guard, Carpenter, Burglar, Chef, Repairer, Livestock Farmer, Crop Farmer, Fisher, Doctor, Veteran, Nurse, Lumberjack, Fitness Instructor, Burger Flipper, Electrician, Engineer, Welder, Blacksmith, Mechanic - these are the ones at launch of Apoc

[past spear]

is it just me or does this loading screen look ai generated

[mild atlas]

the reactions are just way too cartoony

[frozen wyvern]

It has been discussed already 😥

[pallid hinge]

Not this again... It has already been discussed to death, just scroll up. Moderator said if you want to talk about it go to #general_chat - TIS is looking into it as the art was comissioned.

[past spear]

sorry, i was sleeping

[subtle tendon]

it is partly ai generated

[hard jolt]

This is the generation) There above guys discounted screenshots with errors...5 fingers and more

[pallid hinge]

it's no worries, it was just taking over for a while there while we were trying to discuss the new content

[mild atlas]

ai generated art confirmed

[frozen wyvern]

We get it can we stop talking about it now

[pallid hinge]

[subtle tendon]

yeah can we talk about the mac bugs

[past spear]

only a matter of time until they replace the moodle emojis

[frozen wyvern]

What bugs?

[royal heron]

Other games using AI songs. AI art. AI scripts.

Six fingers on a zombie art

[pallid hinge]

already several mods out to replace the moodles 🤣

[subtle tendon]

the game freezes at the character creation menu, if you play with compatibility mode then the game doesnt start

[hard jolt]

The optimization is, of course, extremely frustrating. My FPS from 500+ to 30 drops occasionally

[frozen wyvern]

Ah, that's a shame. It should hopefully be worked on soon but that's the reality of a beta

[subtle tendon]

also the game looks like this if you click really fast and avoid loading the character creation screen.

[pallid hinge]

wild, the lowest I have gotten is 90 (I have mine capped at 165)

[royal heron]

The Red room

[gusty bronze]

i've never been below my 60 cap, but i get microstutters

[subtle tendon]

playing project zomboid in abstract mode fr.

[pallid hinge]

I believe they said that the mac issues are known and they are working on a fix

[subtle tendon]

they said very possibly falling into new year.

[pallid hinge]

yup

[swift willow]

I can't seem to get cars to work, I just get an error popup on the side when I try to do anything with them

[subtle tendon]

im hoping that the errors are just caused by a dumb mistake 🙏

[swift willow]

nvm I got it to work, however theres no gauges, and I can't open the mechanics menu

[wet pivot]

any fixes?

[cyan blaze]

nothing

[wet pivot]

same problem here black screen at the start, integrated graphics

[subtle tendon]

im currently trying to beat the tutorial in abstract mode

[frozen wyvern]

I believe in you. Spiffo does too

[subtle tendon]

i imagine this is what its like to be blind and deaf navigating the world

[pallid hinge]

So far weapons that have head and handle condition ect seem to break far faster than things that only have the one condition (IE wrenches and pipes)

[past spear]

i mean they would irl too, right?

[pallid hinge]

yea, but something like a hammer even with having two conditions (head and handle) should last a pretty long time

[lethal wolf]

It is a dawn of a new, beautiful day. Like waking up to a dream where we never waited at all.

[frozen wyvern]

Can u go out in ur irl neighborhood and bash a bunch of heads in and let us know how long ur hammer lasts

[pallid hinge]

[shadow nebula]

UNSTABLE IS OUTTT?!!!

[past spear]

from my limited testing, it seems that guns are no longer completely useless early game

[spark gyro]

yes

[lethal wolf]

Was it ever not out?

[frozen wyvern]

Apparently guns are just completely reworked, haven't been able to use em much yet but it's interesting

[subtle tendon]

its not possible to complete the tut on mac, you cant right click the sink to fill up the jar

[flat phoenix]

Shooting them attracts a hell of a lot of zeds now too

[shadow nebula]

IM NOT LEAVING MY HOUSE IN WEEKS

[past spear]

i mean you start with one

[pallid hinge]

I shot a shotgun off earlier in a rural area and it attracted a ton of zombies and it felt pretty good to use - new reticle is nice. Seems like they went with ATRO style shooting which people should enjoy

[frozen wyvern]

I missed all my shots

[visual trail]

Dude for a moment last night I said wtf is this b41 ? didn't find any animals

[flat phoenix]

I found chickens in like 2 minute of starting

[pallid hinge]

🤣 Took me a while!

[past spear]

was zombie migration a toggle in b41? i feel like this is new

[lethal wolf]

My friend initially didn't find animals at a farm, but Muldraugh somehow had a fenced area in the city which had a lot of chickens you could just grab and run with

[pallid hinge]

it was a number (hour) that you could set

[neat saffron]

excuse me devs but why cant i poison myself with an extremely sketchy ethanol drink?

This is outrageous. /j

[visual trail]

I found two sheep later on but I didn't saw any wild ones

[pallid hinge]

Did you see my video?

[visual trail]

yes, instead I found a fucking nice hydration pack basically a backpack with camelback in it

[tender cave]

why i cant wash dirty bandages and rags

[past spear]

i think these are new

[neat saffron]

did anyone find out how to get clay yet

[subtle tendon]

is there any guess for how long a fix of mac version will be?

[pallid hinge]

I'd imagine next to river banks? I haven't looked yet tbh

[storm dagger]

i found some on the ground while doing foraging around riverside

[past spear]

is anyone else glitching out a little when running?

[shell chasm]

im guessing its an issue with the unstable release and fluid system. you can still clean bandages with a water container in your inventory

[spark vine]

bruh what is even happening with the microphone cord pen thing

[tender cave]

where do u get these loading screens

[idle grail]

Someone tell lemmy to tell the artist to use a texture brush to break up the shininess on the skin. If you do that the complaints over the art will drop.

[visual trail]

did the ore outcroppings make in the vanilla map? anybody spot them ?

[spark vine]

what artist lol

[pallid hinge]

There was an update that removed them

[tender cave]

oh

[wintry shale]

anyone knows why i cant craft molotov? i have a glass bottle with gas and rags and recipe doesnt appear

[velvet egret]

start up a game/save. Exit the save. Load back in and you’ll get some of the new loading screens

[spark vine]

thank god

[lethal wolf]

I have little faith there'd be actual outcroppings in the vanilla map, it was so Pat_Bren no'd to have natural source of metal of any kind (rip foraging for trace amounts of metallic stones)

[errant glen]

No way

[visual trail]

I think maybe they will drop later with the wilderness map

[crisp fulcrum]

Nah I go playing build 38

[pallid hinge]

Way. This is the title screen now, note the Build number bottom right hand side

[flat phoenix]

It’s a shame about the art, I personally really liked seeing it

[errant glen]

Dude, wtf is wrong with people, that was one of my favorite things about the build

[clever imp]

When they say MP is disabled, does that include co-op 😭

[errant glen]

No

[covert stone]

Well hold on, they are investigating the issue with the artwork - maybe it will come back

[visual trail]

lol went to sleep, woke up to Lemmy commenting on Reddit and the art removed....

[vestal shard]

@formal mango thank you on behalf of the pz community for not selling the ip and finishing ur work, we all appreciate it. the new builds great

[fluid cave]

Legal issues apparently are why they may have removed them [speculation from me and reddit, not any devs]

[errant glen]

@formal mango bring back the new menu art work 🙏

[hushed valley]

I mean it seemed increasingly likely the loading screens were AI, so it makes sense to remove them and investigate. Dunno about the main menu though, I didn't see it included in the AI talk much

[past spear]

can single story houses have basements?

[sly pivot]

Anyone know how to disable TAA? (anti aliasing)

[peak steppe]

the new art is bad. Doesn't fit the mood of the game at all

[fluid cave]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/s/8KJzLynxFk

[astral brook]

OOH, found the skyscraper from the teaser and video

[visual trail]

doesn't matter, they were better than the stupid black screen

[pallid hinge]

lemmy didn't say anything about legal issues in his post

[errant glen]

I mean I knew about the actual loading screens possibly being AI, I was one of the first people to bring it up. But I thought the menu screen looked fire

[velvet egret]

yeah. Saw one or two in my current playthrough

[visual trail]

he didn't, I didn't even read that comment until now

[hushed valley]

fair, not sure why they removed that one

[spark vine]

woaaaah

[fluid cave]

You never know. Anyways in my personal opinion they dodged a bullet with getting rid of the new art, they were way too controversial for a holy build 42 release

[spark vine]

i immediately suspected it too tbh.

once one piece of art "from an artist" is ai generated none of it can really be trusted anymore

[hushed valley]

hot take but the black loading screen with intro sentences was kinda a vibe

[sly pivot]

I love b42 thank you Indie

[errant glen]

Makes sense

[covert stone]

oooh, is the "there was no hope of survival" gone?

[past spear]

nah thats back

[vivid kestrel]

Ngl, the whole backlash is weird. Nonsensical even, speaking as an artist who doesn't use diffusion in projects -- though I do use a lot of VFX software even in pixel art. It truly smells by the screech of people scared for their livelihood and their ignorant blind followers. However, I kind of would liked if the artwork was more inline with older style lot more, perhaps with better composition.

Seriously the reaction is just over the top.

[pallid hinge]

You're right I don't know. And you are right, it is better to remove it and figured stuff out before bringing it back (if ever). But I don't think that a person looking down can be copyrighted tbh. As the person in the comments section says Photobashing is a common thing these days and likely this falls under fair use.

[visual trail]

where is that comment Ecn? can't find the post / thread

[spark vine]

was only on the initial loading

[lethal wolf]

the day of the b42 prophecy arrived, an outrage was created, things reverted. The usual cycle that cannot be broken, can people now consume the product they spent months, years asking for?

[past spear]

boxed mac n cheese now actually needs to be cooked, 10/10 update

[errant glen]

Why risk it?

[pallid hinge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1hgvi10/comment/m2mmge2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[visual trail]

also first comment...gold !!

[spark vine]

even then, its still obviously ai due to the number of other artifacts. theres far too much wrong with it for it to have any chance of not being at least majority ai generated

the PEN becomes the HEADPHONE CABLE

[covert stone]

Poland mentioned

[pallid hinge]

Not saying they should, I figure if they do plan on risking it they would probably get a strong lawyer to take a look first

[visual trail]

aww he starts with we need to talk..;)) gonna enjoy that

[errant glen]

I'm guessing it was the AI that caused the possibility for copy right? I don't think anyone at indie stone asked the ai to make a photo based off the chick from the last of us

[fickle oasis]

Man i thought ai would lead to an ubundance of artwork. I guess we will never get new art ever again lol

[wet timber]

there was no ai used jesus christ. you can obviously see the brush strokes

[past spear]

did you actually look at the artwork? it was obviously ai

[fluid cave]

It was all probably much effort, like the dev said the new art is probably never going to come back

[neat saffron]

hot take: I dont care if it was AI art or not, because its better than what we had.

[wet timber]

yeah and im an artist too, this is not ai

[errant glen]

https://tenor.com/view/ahhh-yes-yes-gif-24225701

[visual trail]

let the fucking art go, enjoy the build and everything new with it

[wild oak]

could i see the full message? not doubting you i just wanna see what they said in its entirety

[idle grail]

If they had more texture on it, it wouldnt look like AI. The problem is it has similar shininess and weird lighting as AI so if you break that up people wont notice.

[pallid hinge]

The art was comissioned by someone they trusted and have worked with previously - they are looking into it. End of Story. Back to my playing B42 like you all should instead of worrying about art.

[past spear]

one of the loading screens had a 6 fingered zombie, weird ai lighting and shininess aside

[neat saffron]

Its almost like the AI's learned from someplace to do that... like... other art commonly doing it... weird...

[cyan blaze]

Has the black screen been fixed yet?

[wet timber]

if you actually looked at the "6 fingered" zombie its just the lighting on one of the fingers that makes it look like six

[vivid kestrel]

Thing is, a lot of diffusion models actually are trained on human art, it is not an inherent trait of diffusion, but of the art the DL algo picks up on. It is an abundance of not following patterns that are clear signs of it being used to the end.

[dusk echo]

I feel like it's touched-up AI art. The zombies don't even seem consistent between the loading screens.
AI for concept art is all fine and dandy, but just drawing over AI art has its problems.

[fluid cave]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/s/Rfmi6ocHfI

[idle grail]

Yeah, and ive seen tons that mimic other styles that doesnt look like AI at all. Its just the main one people see and reallly dont like is the one I just talked about.

[fickle oasis]

Ay ay no discrimination. 4 out of 12,000 people have extra fingers

[past spear]

im just glad theyre adressing it

[pallid hinge]

Me too!

[wild oak]

stubborn ignorant and always finding some way to hate are three things that can sum up humanity pretty well

[main fable]

POLSKA GUROM🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[past spear]

imma be honest if they didnt remove them i wouldve just installed a mod that removes them. its zomboid, after all

[lethal wolf]

my dudes, it is build 42 wednesday

[sly pivot]

Chat is 3 hours of sleep enough i gotta play b42

[past spear]

considering the build came out yesterday, i suppose you could say it was build forty-tuesday

[covert stone]

I have an exam at uni tommorrow, i need to study, but the build 42 is calling to me...

[pallid hinge]

ohhhhh you need to cook potato now before you turn it into salad, wild

[dusk echo]

3 hours of sleep is too much for B42, running over a horde of rabbits on a consecutive 24 hours of wakefulness is absolutely necessary to the gameplay feel

[neat saffron]

Poeple will rather put everything to the torch on a witchhunt over something being MAYBE POTENTIALLY made with AI rather than accept that, thats the way the cookie crumbles, not everythings AI, move on, youre hating on stuff without any actual reason because of your insecurities.

[lethal wolf]

but now, it is the first wednesday of build 42, and the tradition set upon many an image uploading site, to announce wednesdays

[vivid kestrel]

Well, the hatred here is not unfounded. Though some people have an actual sheep mentality and if they follow whatever some random twitter artist says, then as an "expert in field" it just must be true. So, view of it whenever it is brought up skewed in the first place. And it's threat is everywhere, but a lot of people are just schizo seeing things where there are none.

[wild oak]

yeah this certainly sums up just about everything thats happening, people are completely ignoring all of build 42's features and just directing a huge train of hate harassment and anger towards images that have no effect on the gameplay or any of the amazing things build 42 has to offer

[dusk echo]

The rest of B42 is clearly just good enough people are only talking about the AI art

[neat saffron]

Im going to back up my files while i have them to be used in a private mod, because i really like these splasharts and i do not want to lose them because of paranoid people's witchhunts.

[past spear]

who the hell puts onions in the fridge

[vivid kestrel]

Ngl, I have more problems with just that one hour I was playing of it than just some random splash screen artwork. Though to be fair, I am just awful critic - as in I enjoy tearing everything down despite it being just a nitpick at the end.

[covert stone]

You dont? I do

[pallid hinge]

I just wish this wasn't overshadowing the fact we HAVE B42. Sure as heck feels like it.

[errant glen]

Look at the placement of his fingers on the camera

[heavy crown]

Me, I wanted them to be nice and refreshing when I bite into them

[dusk echo]

Tbh, with a few minor tweaks like being able to use crowbars for their intended purpose and a bit less fatigue from swinging weapons, it'd be amazing. (Also, prybars when Indie Stone)

[fickle oasis]

I won't eat anything made or packed by machines either

[covert stone]

Is the new key system in the unstable?

[past spear]

lets just drop the ai issue, theyre looking into it and the loading screens have been removed in the meantime, what else is there to do

[neat saffron]

level up your weapon skill to drastically reduce the buildup amount, or turn down muscle strain via sandbox options, personally i like it as is

[visual trail]

People are more and more insane on Reddit as days passed by.
They now fixate on this art bullshit and no one talks about the new stuff like game mechanics and items, they have all been waiting for this now they fixate on some stupid loading screens

[wild oak]

if my apple didnt come from the beginning of time before anything could have tainted it then i dont want it.

[errant glen]

I'm just trying to settle the debate, things obviously kinda suspect

[past spear]

yes, which is why theyre looking into it

[vivid kestrel]

Well, the whole internet is getting insane. What's new? You don't even need chill pills, just relax, sit down and play. Be it with idiots or B42.

[wild oak]

ignorance and stubbornness yet again reign supreme

[pallid hinge]

Should have seen this channel earlier - it was being flooded with angry people talking about it, you'd think the channel didn't have a minute of slowmode on it lol... AMZ had to come in and tell people to knock it off

[dusk echo]

Why fixate on reddit when you could be enjoying B42, honestly

[neat saffron]

Are these "suspect" things in the room with us right now?

[split drift]

What happened to the new title screen?

[fluid cave]

I think discord has been a bit worse than reddit as of lately, lots of drama

[visual trail]

We all have waited up to the point of dispair and instead of talking about what's inside we now judge the gift cards we got with the present instead of the actual present.....

[dusk echo]

I've already ran over at least 5 rabbits, I will run over more

[fickle oasis]

Lost to the wind

[mental fiber]

It's literally a loading screen.. you would think it was the end of the world

[neat saffron]

people threw a fit because they thought it had a 2% chance of there being AI art in it. The great AI Scare, basically.

Was removed because of them.

[visual trail]

yes because of the new goobers I will try to stamp out from now on

[split drift]

I liked all the new art execpt for the moodles being changed

[edgy kiln]

2% chance is extremely generous lol

[neat saffron]

same here and im reaaally bummed out about this

Im just glad i get told of this happening now before i got the update so i can simply copy my files and get the screen art back

[wild oak]

my honest mood_exhausted opinion

[pallid hinge]

man sometimes when you kill a zombie it sounds like a popcan that has been shook up lol

[mental fiber]

Sameee the moodles suck

[visual trail]

we were always discussing features, new ideas and opinion how the game works a d how could it be a better one in the past months, now it's just chaos and I don't agree with it

[fickle oasis]

Just say it's ai generated

[split drift]

Straight up

[fluid cave]

pixelate the moodles and people are back to being happy

[neat saffron]

its just temporary, outrage over nothing, then people being in outrage over outrage- it comes and goes... a few hours from now noones going to remember this ever happened.

[wet timber]

someone already did this and its awesome
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3386486141

[wild oak]

thats not the argument against the moodles mr instigator, the argument is that they just arent very well made

[mental fiber]

I thought the weighed down moodle was a lamp 💀

[dusk echo]

Dunno why they changed the style of the moodles honestly, the new ones look waaaay less like anything from the 90s.
The new loading screen art just doesn't really fit the feel of the game regardless of how good it is or how AI-gen it is IMO

[vivid kestrel]

downscale them into pixel art level yet slightly higher res than current moodles, edit heck out of the odd ones, clean them up, give it some AA and you have nicer moodles.

[hallow adder]

The pixelated moodles look so blurry when blown up on 4K screens. Hated the old ones. Loved the new ones.

[split drift]

I just feel the new moodles lack the charm the old ones had

They look to modern

[chilly atlas]

the carryweight moodles r never making it out of kentucky alive is2g, real difficult to convey

[velvet egret]

fast-forwarded rain and fog looks spectacular. I would share a vid but I got a potato for a PC

[wild oak]

can i keep my exhausted at the very least

[fluid cave]

Maybe 4K TVs, for my 4K it looked pretty fine, maybe on default settings it looked ugly

[wet timber]

me when

[dusk echo]

It sort of feels like they hired an NSFW artist to make some of them, lol

[hallow adder]

I can only say we have differing opinions on the art style, and it might be true.... don't know what else I can add to this.

[fluid cave]

:/

[pallid hinge]

on an entirely seperate note: checkout these kneepads that I found

[wet timber]

yoooo

[split drift]

The new armor bits are pretty damn cool

[noble nexus]

this is way harder than build 41 so far I love it

[tender cave]

i feel like im playing the game for the first time

[wild oak]

arguably worse 😭

[mental fiber]

you can't tell me that weighed down moodle doesnt look like a lamp

[noble nexus]

Real I can’t just rush rosewood firestation I have to sneak around it’s great

[tender cave]

and theres no more random hordes around ur spawn

[heavy crown]

Yeah I tried a standard cheese strat of just rushing fire department in Rosewood.

• Too many zeds to clear a path easily unarmed
• Hopping large fences isn't as foolproof
• They can break down the large fences as well iirc?

Amazing changes tbqh

[fluid cave]

do the guns suck for you and anyone else by the way? i cant aim for shit with the new system

[wild oak]

i tried going there on high pop and got obliterated 😭

[dusk echo]

The good ol' Reverse In Car strat is still 100% viable for wiping em out lmao

[tender cave]

stomping is no longer oneshots everything

[wild oak]

breakable metal fences will be added later on

[pallid hinge]

So far I have only shot the shotgun and it was fine - just make sure the reticle is zeroed as much as possible and you have a red dot in the center (it's pretty subtle colour change)

[heavy crown]

I tried blickying a few dudes and couldn't do anything with the starter m9, wasn't sure if it was just not having a shooting build as I was playing around with melee and strain.

[tender cave]

yea i still cant kill zeds with an m9 at point blank range

[dusk echo]

Honestly, it'd be nice to have books/magazines for shooting skills

[glacial cape]

We do

[tender cave]

yea its in the game now

[fluid cave]

M9 and shotgun cant really aim well right now for me, also jams alot for the M9. Also the issue of there being too many assholes, and not enough bullets, making clearing towns with guns basically impossible now.

[tender cave]

i will wait for a month for patches before playing the game

[pallid hinge]

isn't that the point though? They want the combat to be hard and if they make it too easy with guns then the meta will be to just use guns... if they make melee to easy the meta will be slay all the things. From what I can tell the meta is to lure and loot and scoot, which is kinda what they always wanted

[magic dagger]

I often survived like 3 months in B41 and it became like 3 days in B42

[wet timber]

i am playing so i can run into and submit bug reports :]

[dusk echo]

Yeah, performance is a bit incosistent for me atm. Albeit, I'm running on an RX580, 5600X, and just 16gb of RAM

[formal lake]

People think the pz loading screens/title screen look "AI generated" whats yall take?

[visual trail]

yep, you also have elbow pads now found them last night

[pallid hinge]

Scroll up to find out, we are moving on from that topic (hopefully)

[glacial cape]

I didn't think it fit pz's orginial style especially when you compare it to the baldspot bob car imagine which they've been using for their cover for years, I also don't think the moodles fits with pz either but that's just my opinion

[tender cave]

the fps is like dancing especially while driving

[visual trail]

military elbow pads :p:p

[dusk echo]

While I'm in a building or standing still, it's smoother than before and feels great. Driving or walking anywhere, though, or seeing more than one zed onscreen...

[velvet egret]

try Task Manager -> set PZ to a higher priority in terms of resource allocation. That might help

[pallid hinge]

Heck yea, that is awesome 😄

[tender cave]

gas mask requiring a filter now is also cool, same with vision reducing while wearing masks

[wild oak]

you can also go full knight with a entire metal armorset and a full on longsword and a shortsword

[pallid hinge]

TIGS you so naughty

[visual trail]

full medievalish on their arsses !

[wild oak]

it all makes sense now

[glacial cape]

Project Freakboid

[pallid hinge]

🥵

[velvet egret]

I found a drawer with a HottieZ magazine and box of tissues earlier

[pallid hinge]

🤣

[umbral tide]

segs update ?

[fluid cave]

Less playstyles isnt really that fun i think, not everyone is going to want to play the game the same way

[glacial cape]

I think the new combat changes are a step in the right direction and I like the core concept, they just need to tweak it a little bit

[umbral tide]

same here i had to respawn 3 times to get past the mob and grab an axe on apocalypse diff

[glacial cape]

Because melee combat right now feels way too punishing, especially for returning or new players to project zomboid

[wet timber]

I love the new items, just wish I could stick the angled flashlights to a front pocket or backpack strap

[pallid hinge]

I don't disagree - but also balance needs to be a big thing to keep in mind. Plus we ARE talking about early game, I am sure that as we play it will get easier, just like it did in B41 example is if you hover over a melee weapon skill it tells you that muscle fatigue lowers as you level it. But in the end that is why Custom Sandbox mode is a thing.

[astral brook]

Maybe we can both agree that it used both ai for the base and real artist to work out the kinks from it?

[umbral tide]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocked-blue-emoji-emoji-blumoji-gif-15892774813361256198
new moodles be like

[past spear]

obviously

[tender cave]

rain still doesnt wash clothes and weapons and i can stay outside while raining for 2 hours and my character isnt getting wet

[heavy crown]

I feel like the muscle strain makes it too hard to not take Strong on melee-focused builds, and that crimps a lot of my builds that I want to do some useful stuff day 1. Might just be shaking the rust off since I've been taking a break for a while this year.

[glacial cape]

It would also help if fitness and strength affected combat fatigue and not just weapon level, because apparently tly according to thatguypredz who was a playtester said that strength and fitness have no impact on combat fatigue despite what the skills says

[subtle tendon]

Have the devs disclosed a time frame they are expecting to fix mac project zomboid or nah

[glacial cape]

They said before new years in the most recent blog post I think

[inland lance]

yeah i turned off the muscle fatigue so i can go back to playing around with the other features and looking for bugs, it sucks swinging twice and cramping up immediately. Having a lot of fun noticing the small mods being made baseline - i just submitted a bug report around vehicles and noticed that the fuel side indicator is now vanilla, very cool

[regal spindle]

at high strength you can swing a lot more but the muscle fatigue creeps up on you regardless, I think the idea behind it is to prevent infinity swinging your way through an entire conga line horde

[glacial cape]

Yeah I figured a lot of people would until the new mechanic gets properly balanced, I've kept it on just to see the way devs intended for the game to be played but at the same time I understand why

[pallid hinge]

I am keeping it on so I can submit a report of how I feel about it once it hit later game (hopefully)

so far it definitely slows down early game a ton, but I don't actually mind that tbh, being a killing machine from the get go always felt kind of weird to me

[glacial cape]

That too, giving feedback on how the mechanic works and the user experience of it will hopefully help it be a cool feature and not a crutch

[heavy crown]

I'm working to see what I can do to play around not going Strong+Athletic with it on

[pallid hinge]

exactly! if everyone turns it off then they have no feedback on how it is other than "muscle fatigue bad"

[astral brook]

That is a good way to make sure in rp servers for people to not endlessly kill zombies by just sitting down again and again.

[glacial cape]

I agree my issue with it is its not very beginner friendly, and it builds up way too quickly like after swinging 6 times? And it not being affected by strength or fitness is a negative to me

[pallid hinge]

to me it feels like the str/fit thing is just that they haven't hooked it up yet

[regal spindle]

well with stealth actually working now you presumably won't need to fight every zombie you see, the default probably needs tweaking, but it's a sandbox setting anyways so..

[umbral tide]

best would be to link muscle fatigue to strength/fitness or tune it down so my character doesnt feel like a noodle after killing 2 zeds

[glacial cape]

Yeah fair enough this is only day 1 or 2 for some people in the unstable build, but I have faith in the devs that they'll listen to our feedback and flesh things out

[visual trail]

muscle strain multiplier is at max my dude so nice being all the time in pain

[pallid hinge]

🤣

[velvet egret]

I’m at max regularity with exercises so let’s see how much muscle strain I get

[glacial cape]

Ah the dark souls run

[visual trail]

the normal way to play zomboid run

[regal spindle]

I'm on a 9 strength character and I can fight for a bit without the muscle pain hitting me

[inland lance]

theoretically (per the tooltips for the strength and weapon skills) the fatigue goes down with higher levels of both. But it's at the bottom of the things im' actually interested in looking at/stress testing about unstable so someone else will have to provide more substantive feedback on it.

unrelated other feedback, i don't mind the moodles actually, they're a bit jarring as a change of style but i'd rather focus on how you need a mod to figure out what the moodles actually mean mechanically. Might be a little too metagamey but i like to know that if i'm stressed/panicked how much it affects damage or physical coordination

[glacial cape]

Zero to hero challenge, cdda with max muscle strain the peak pz experience

[visual trail]

I'm testing out the new mechanics this one in particular

I want to give them highly detailed feedback on some mechanics

[glacial cape]

Moodles are a bit goofy, and I don't think they suit the bleak and isolated style of pz but I'll probably get used to them

[turbid gorge]

how did you turn it off

[wild oak]

sandbox settings

[inland lance]

in the sandbox settings, character tab, it's something like muscle strain multiplier. just set it to 0

[astral brook]

Ok I can say that there is one bug with build 42 unstable, it's the map loading distance. I noticed this when I got to the skyscraper in Louisville from the teasers. I looked north and all I could see was black squares. Then I realized, that the map could only load so far at once, and I saw beyond that limit.

[turbid gorge]

thank

[umbral raven]

God the subreddit is fucking awful

[tender cave]

always has been

[inland lance]

i think they're great in concept, it's in keeping with the minimalist theme for the UI. But it sort of clashes with the concept of it being a "game" by telling you it's important but not how

[astral brook]

Dude I know, was it them that caused the new loading and menu screens to be removed?

[pallid hinge]

Not just them, there was a ton of people coming in this channel and raging about it too. But ultimately it was lemmy's decision to make.

[regal spindle]

I really don't get why people care so much about a loading screen, I'm on an SSD it's like 2 seconds long anyways

[neat saffron]

I have successfully saved all the deleted files

Now i just need someone smarter than me to figure out how to actually make them play again

... i guess in the meantime ill just make an old fashioned splash screen mod

[hybrid frost]

I'm also on an SSD, but I've found the load time to be very long. Did you uninstall all your mods before 42 or something?

[regal spindle]

Nope, but then all my mods used to make it longer so maybe it's a comparative thing

[keen gorge]

Uninstall all your mods

[neat saffron]

unnecessary

you only need to DISABLE all your mods.
You do NOT have to Uninstall them.

[pallid hinge]

Mine are very quick, M.2 SSD - did not uninstall my mods, as I knew they would get auto disabled when B42 booted for the first time.

[regal spindle]

that'll happen anyways, the new mod manager only shows b42 mods as far as I can tell

[hybrid frost]

I didn't uninstall them either for the same reason, I was wondering if that might be it anyway. I guess not

[neat saffron]

Due to a minor oversight they sadly do not

You have to disable them

Personally i recommend going the C:/User route and simply deleting the modlist in your Zomboid Folder as thats alot faster than every other method

[regal spindle]

Really? my games completely vanilla and I didn't do that

[keen gorge]

I mean large swathes of them became redundant. Rather than the headache of trying to troubleshoot if X issue in the future is mod related, I'd rather go clean

[hybrid frost]

My game only shows one mod, a propane torch fix, and it isn't enabled

[pallid hinge]

Yet here I am with extremely short load times and no mods enabled

[neat saffron]

sorry im busy juggling how to possibly reenable the loading screen ... i thought this was about another issue, namely the one where the menu doesnt pop up

[pallid hinge]

Most of the mods won't work anyway because they use the old filepath system. So far these are the ones that have updated (since my last relaunch of the game)

[hybrid frost]

Is there a far-sighted trait that I'm looking past in the traits menu that makes the new reading glasses necessary to read?

[regal spindle]

new mod manager needs the ability to load modlist from a save

[keen gorge]

After some testing, it seems weapon skills are more important than strength/fitness when it comes to muscle fatigue. My toons with good weapon skills last longer than those with just high strength/fitness (This is on spears)

[regal spindle]

maybe it kinda works like maitinance but in reverse

[hybrid frost]

From what I've read, strength and fitness have no bearing whatsoever on muscle fatigue/strain. Personally, I'm not a fan at all. I took a high fitness/strength character so I wouldn't have to worry about it much, only to have it kick in after 5 swings.

[pallid hinge]

I feel like another part of the muscle fatigue thing is to try and get you to focus on your weapon affinity, and not be jack of all trades

[regal spindle]

Strength Explicitly states it does

[hybrid frost]

It also means pushing zombies always causes fatigue really quick. @regal spindle It certainly doesn't feel like it. I took an 8 strength character and got muscle strain midway through fighting my second zombie

[glacial cape]

Yes but one of the playtesters says it doesn't despite what the tool tip reads

So it might not be linked properly to strength

[keen gorge]

Also just confirmed there's some wackiness on shoves while we wait for the new ragdoll system to be fully implemented

[visual trail]

@pallid hinge finally some rabbit ran away from me :))

[mental laurel]

It's a combination of Strength and specific weapon skills

I think

[hybrid frost]

Are you sure it isn't broken right now? An 8 strength character should really be able to kill more than 2 zombies before strain kicks in

[novel grove]

Just wanna say you guys and gals have crushed B42

[pallid hinge]

💪 It feels good, just wait till you have rabbits on the road + zombies and you have to make a choice lol...

[glacial cape]

Absolutely loving the details on the fliers & newspapers, it does feel like muscle strain doesnt work properly as attend though cause I have 9 strength and I'm getting fatigued after 5 zombie kills

Is there a channel to submit feedback?

[visual trail]

I'm gonna say the zombies spawns are a little bugged

[keen gorge]

If its about bug reports, on the forums

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/85-bug-reports/

[static heart]

Hey @mental laurel Is it today ?

[severe egret]

God really? When i first spawned i fought a bunch of em by good old push n stomp methods (had no melee weapon) and got no muscle strain

[pallid hinge]

🤣

[azure moat]

tomorrow

[static heart]

But today is not tomorrow right @azure moat ?

[visual orbit]

whats today

[azure moat]

today is yesterday's tomorrow

[glacial cape]

That means pushing and stomping is the way to go I guess, those methods might not cause muscle strain?

[keen gorge]

Stomps unironically is still the early game combat king. 5/5 gets to kill like 15 before getting strained versus like 6-8 on 1 short blunt

[heavy crown]

Muscle strain does not affect big steppy, so yeah it is super strange how much you're encouraged not to use a weapon

[severe egret]

Lol weird

[pallid hinge]

you definitely get muscle strain on stomping, I have been doing weapon swings till I get minor, and then stomp till I get minor and then rest

[glacial cape]

New meta just dropped, stomp meta sidenote has anyone tested ranged weapons and if you get muscle strain using them?

[keen gorge]

Not as much as swinging a weapon though. The strain is there, just lesser

[mental laurel]

No

[pallid hinge]

seemed to be about the same for me, but I haven't found too many weapons for my affinity so far so I haven't been able to level my axe skill

[visual trail]

gonna try out short blade this run

[velvet egret]

I’ve also been using a mix of stomps and melee swings to stave off muscle strain

[glacial cape]

Back to good old reliable fence cheese and stomps it is

[static heart]

[pallid hinge]

Alright almost 2am, been playing nearly non-stop for 12-ish hours lol. Attempt to sleep I guess...

[regal spindle]

I feel like cats eyes doesn't help too much with dark interior rooms...

[wild oak]

hey pat will the and the or the release today

[sturdy ermine]

this version has CATASTROPHIC INSTABILITY

[turbid gorge]

how do you clean rags now

[pallid hinge]

what are your computer's specs? Been totally fine for me, no crashing very few frame drops

[static heart]

Maybe it's time to remind people this version is unstable

[severe egret]

Also how does one tear clothing for bandages now? And why cant i just use a dishcloth as a bandage as it is? Bit small i guess

[pallid hinge]

Ah yea well there ya go, they said the mac version was scuffed atm and they will fix it in the new year sadly

[mild atlas]

Why does this room turn pitch black when i close the curtain, wouldnt light bleed through from the curtain and door? also its a video game so youre not able to feel vibrations or anything to understand where a zombie is in relation to this room, so youre just gonna die. And your eyes should get adjusted to dark rooms as well. idk where to post this but this just seems like bad game design

[teal willow]

is it sort of a bug???

[velvet egret]

it’s a bug. They’ll address that later. Only way atm is to use the water in your inventory or washing machines

[severe egret]

Yeah i thought this was weird too

[remote bear]

Walls not being rendered?

[mental laurel]

Lighting system is overly literal right now

[teal willow]

yep, that's a warehouse in muldrauth

[pallid hinge]

Anyone know where the map from the spawn selection screen is located in the files? I want to take a look at that thing

[remote bear]

Probably a minor visual bug, worth noting in #1019767076094758924

[teal willow]

and i have a question.
are devs planning to add an animation for vaulting these guys?
edit: i mean new animation, because now char is vaulting like it is normal fence.

[mild atlas]

so it might change? i sort of forgot that things are still changing but i just assumed the lighting is almost final

[mental laurel]

I don't know but I consider it as being a bug, there should be generally a minimum daylight level that isn't darkness

Not a bug in the system itself, more, as I say, being overly literal

[mild atlas]

yeah

[lethal wolf]

It was pretty curious, but a friend whos stream I was watching, was going through thick forest area and the path he took remained lit as if the the character "remembered" the way back from where he came from, and rest of the forest on screen was pitch blackish as if you can't see through trees at all, like the trunks were far wider than normal

willing to guess that is one of the bugs with lighting, or Kentuckian forests are full with short trees with leafage covering your line of sight entirely

[late folio]

is the spawn location menu map going to be real ingame map?
when I saw it I instantly fell in love with the style of how the map looks
but in game it was just the normal map and I was disapointed

[soft tree]

is it easier to run louisville now that b42 is out or is it more difficult

[severe egret]

Pretty sure the fog of war always sort of worked like that

Ah but the pitch black being the difference yeah

[turbid gorge]

brooo

[honest nexus]

Your eyes dont adjust to a pitch black room because theres zero light to use. But yeah the curtain probably shouldnt totally block light, and the foot of the door should bleed a bit of light too

[silk nova]

I cannot understand how with all the new things in game people can create problems for the new loading screen arts and moodles.....maybe we really deserve a zombie apocalypse

[lethal wolf]

I wish I had taken a screenshot to display how it looked, but it felt weird at least. And generous that the non-fog of war area very much looked like the remembered path. I get fukken lost if I blink in a city.

[white knoll]

Thoughts on the new build? What are the best and worst parts? Is the unstable underwhelming?

[remote bear]

The fact that it gives you a tester M9, I kinda hate that.

[silk nova]

I gound it fantastic for me it's like a new game

[mild atlas]

Yeah i'm aware, even in a dark room if theres still a tiny amount of light you should be able to see still was my point

[pallid hinge]

It's a ton of fun, so many new things, love the lighting. Some bugs but nothing too terrible for me so far

[silk nova]

Found some bugs but it's an unstable i gonna write a feed back so they gonna check

[severe egret]

Yeah its like free automatic breadcrumbs

[tribal quartz]

anyone got the original main menu picture ?
mine didin't load the latest picture

[pallid hinge]

everyone who updated did.

[remote bear]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/43261-read-here-first-bug-reporting-guideformatting/

[white knoll]

What is the worst part of your experience?

[keen plume]

So no B41 mod works anymore?

[tribal quartz]

so the picture got taken down?

[mortal kiln]

the fog of war is a little weird sometimes, im not sure if i remember correctly but I could see room furniture through walls if i right click to aim

[severe egret]

Tell ya what though, stealth is as fucked as ever in broad daylight 😂

[stray badger]

I was told this was a safe haven where people actually talk about the gameplay

[heavy crown]

It's like 12 hours into the unstable test of a 2-3 year update, wait a little for mod authors to update

[pallid hinge]

yes removed for now (maybe forever) dependent on their investigation

[keen plume]

talking about that

[remote bear]

Did they remove the new main menu effects???

[grave bison]

my games keeps on crashing in character creator any one can help

[keen gorge]

Newspapers go hard

[umbral tide]

about muscle fatigue

[lethal wolf]

At the moment I am certain you can toggle off the muscle strain part in sandbox setting

[keen plume]

try to verify steam files, just in case

[stray badger]

They haven't fixed the phantom hits/pushing phasing through zombies, have they ?

[keen plume]

Until there is no B42 Stable version there is literally no reason to play it

[turbid gorge]

i do think since we have this new zoom we should probs get higher res and higher detail character textures / head models with actual faces noses lips etc

[severe egret]

Yikes dude..

[strange shadow]

I ran over some while going 120 mph and totaled a near perfect condition car

[remote bear]

I feel so bad for the Developers if they genuinely got shit on for the new main menu effects. I thought it was cool.

[pallid hinge]

Every time I see someone show a clip of this suggesting fowlplay I see their mouse positioned in the wrong spot. I think 99% of the time it is user error and not the games fault, so not a whole lot can be done about it

[stray badger]

It's an inherent flaw to isometric perspective, but there should probably be something put in place to ease it off

[keen gorge]

Well, shoving is kinda wacky right now but it's mostly on how they fall

[olive dragon]

Thanks indie stone for the gift^^

[grave bison]

thx

[pallid hinge]

If you are referring to the flipflopping zombies yea that is something that needs to be fixed, seen it way more in this build than in B41's whole existence https://youtu.be/8DOp42XQzfk

[fathom tulip]

does anyone else feel like the movement is a little wonky, like when transitioning from certain animations to other anims?

[stray badger]

I've had the occasional weirdness, especially when sitting on the ground

[keen gorge]

Supposedly it would be fixed once the new ragdoll system is implemented

[pallid hinge]

makes sense!

[stray badger]

I'm digging the new lighting system

[severe egret]

Hope daylight gets some love eventually though. Things mostly only look nice when you remove the daylight

[velvet egret]

had 38.5/18 in my inventory due to carrying a heavy load for a while. Got muscle strain in my upper and lower torso lol

[severe egret]

Wonder if muscle strain directly affects strength though. Like, if you eat a bunch of protien after getting muscle strain, are you gettings gains? Or does it all still rely specifically on the exercise mechanics?

[lost merlin]

Can we not clean dirty rags anymore..?

[keen gorge]

Currently bugged. Use water in your inventory or washing machines

[stray badger]

Muscle strain in combat isn't that bad imo, even on standard Apocalypse settings. You can stomp to ease off the strain on your arms

[lost merlin]

Ah okay thanks Hoodi.

[turbid gorge]

i hate how the fast forwards click-walking was ruined as it stops fast forwarding every time you click a new spot to walk to

[stray badger]

Is it just me though or is the maintenance skill gain slower now ? It seems to progress at a glacial pace even with fast learner and a crowbar

[pallid hinge]

totally slow now, I am also using fast learner

[autumn pier]

Yeah they’re too few symbols ngl

[visual trail]

lol you can acces the trunk while in the driver seat now, so good

[keen gorge]

They did mention tweaking XP gain

[pallid hinge]

and put stuff in the drivers seatt while sitting in it lol!

[vivid kestrel]

I dunno I don't like it, it feels like your control is taken for even engaging combat. Not saying it is bad, but in the current case, fact it causes pain, and pain is just a huge debuff is just... feels not thought through.

[visual trail]

you will sit on your shit

[stray badger]

It's a deliberate nerf to melee combat, which was very strong. But stealth seems viable now, zombies are definitely much more oblivious than before

[vivid kestrel]

With increased zombie concentration, it feels like a huge discouragement not to engage with zombies at all. Fact you can just live elsewhere in woods is seemingly just encouraged where fun is drained because there isn't much action going on.

[mild atlas]

with the muscle strain mechanic it feels like its the first time your character has ever used their arms in their entire life

[stray badger]

I don't know, I've chopped up wood with an axe before, it does get quite tiring after some time
Right now my unskilled, below average strength character still managed to kill 150 zombies with a crowbar by mid day 2

[keen gorge]

I like the muscle strain. Forces me to prepare more instead of just getting a hammer and going ham at zeds

[mild atlas]

it gets tiring in terms of exhaustion but its not like your arms just collapse from swinging an axe/pickaxe 5 times in a row

[static heart]

Did you ever have a fight with 3 guy in a row ?

[vivid kestrel]

Yeah... it just feels like it.

[stray badger]

Your arms eventually feel like jelly if you do it long enough, that's distinct from cardio

It's fairly manageable

[honest nexus]

brother i implore you to go outside and full strength swing a crowbar at a tree trunk and see how long you can do it

[keen gorge]

The crafted weapons are really strong btw

[novel grove]

I've just seen that there is a Sandbox option for Looted Building chance - That is fucking AWESOME as it will deplete the loot slowly from the world! That is so good!

[vivid kestrel]

I guess it goes for me into that weird threshold at this point, where realism just hurts and fun is being drained. You might see me complaining, but I am not saying I am not surviving in B42.

[mild atlas]

i think the character i used had feeble trait so maybe it was worse for me

also with guns, i dont get how none of these hit. I know its the panic or muscle strain pain making my aim bad but like how do my bullets just phase into nonexistence when shooting at a group of zombies? It should definitely hit still but just shouldnt do a lot of damage. Its pretty lame when this happens
The new gun system is definitely a big improvement though
https://medal.tv/games/project-zomboid/clips/jj8OmaW6K6QwBkqio?invite=cr-MSxNbjUsNTEwNzE3NDEs

[stray badger]

Oh, yeah, strength definitely affects how quickly muscle strain hits you. A minimum strength character gets hit hard by it

It makes puny much less of a free negative trait

[strong gull]

it appears that molotovs were removed..???

[vivid kestrel]

To be honest, if it was mostly affecting players with weaker stats, I think I would have accepted it. It would make more sense. I try to look at it from game design angle as well.

[stray badger]

I don't know what your experience is, but my current character has 4 strength and he's doing pretty fine. I do push and stomp a lot though, so it distributes the strain.

From a game design perspective, I feel combat definitely needed some kind of nerf, shamblers were trivial to fight before. And it's implemented sensibly compared to a game like CDDA, where "normal" characters have virtually no stamina

[static heart]

The idea of muscle strain is to prevent players from killing a whole horde in a day. With good stats or not.

[mild atlas]

muscle strain goes away somewhat fast so its not that super bad, I thought it was like working out where you get exercise fatigue the entire day

[heavy crown]

I wonder if exercise fatigue also changed

[vivid kestrel]

Combat needed nerf. I am not saying it didn't. Shamblers were literally a joke and fast ones as well. Though, I would think more coordination of hordes and zombies overall would be enough really.

[woven beacon]

Bruh b42 is so good

[velvet egret]

damn. Ran over some rabbits that were crossing the road. Couldn’t see that well with the rain. First encounter with B42 animals too

[mild atlas]

i bet those rabbits deserved it anyways

[autumn pier]

Btw, anyone else notice how you can’t delete self-made presets for sandbox settings? It’s pretty annoying cause I made a new preset named…“new”, and I just can’t delete it

[stray badger]

I think stomping has been nerfed as well, it seems to have a higher stamina use

[lunar dove]

Does anybody have the problem with the game lagging extremly hard

[static heart]

Also I really like the depth of the darkness, it makes the electricity and torch lamp more important. Cause what's the point of light if you can see zombie in the dark

[regal spindle]

"let me just look over to the ri- oh."

[autumn pier]

Seriously, the new darkness is way more realistic. I was very surprised seeing pitch black rooms whenever all light sources were covered/off.

I wonder if zombies will see us in the dark, and what that could imply if they do or not…🤔

[stray badger]

Darkness hides you from zombies, but it also narrows down your vision cone significantly. Basically both the zombies and you can sneak up on each other.

I just hope the battery life of lamps has been buffed...

[autumn pier]

Say, has anyone tried horde burning in this new update yet? I feel like it’s gonna be more incentivized with all the new game mechanics. (And yes, I know they can be turned off)

[flat phoenix]

If someone doesn’t like muscle strain, you can just disable it.
Me personally I like it, just needed a bit of adjustment in sandbox

[cunning turtle]

I didn't know that

[regal spindle]

Huh I just noticed, the new elbow pads seem to size themselves for the shirt or jacket you have on, thats neat

[static heart]

Players will just get used to the new update with the time.

[stray badger]

I'm just glad sneaking has been massively buffed

[flat phoenix]

Sneaking at night was very nice

[echo aurora]

seemingly only happens when i step over the wood thats for the motel

[hazy sonnet]

Did fire spread actually change in this build? I totally forgot about it until you mentioned it, and now I'm curious cause I haven't seen it mentioned in the changelog picture in the blog

[stray badger]

Inconspicuous/Conspicuous probably work normally now too

[strong gull]

is there even fire?

[outer raft]

Fps on intel arc is not great

[autumn pier]

Wouldn’t be surprised if it has, I’ll test it in an hour or two if nobody else has

[hazy sonnet]

I'd assume things can still catch on fire like they used to. Question is if how it spreads has been changed as they hinted in earlier blogs

[hidden path]

I agree but this just seems like one of those things the developers will let the community take care of instead

[autumn pier]

The least I’m hoping for is that they fixed microwaves and ovens causing never ending, world consuming fires 😂

As for horde burning, a possible tweak they may have implemented was for fire to not spread after a certain amount of time between zeds, but I’ll see how true this is once I get on

[vivid kestrel]

I wanted to ask this before, but is it just me or sounds are less spatial?

[cunning turtle]

Less spatial?

[strong gull]

the sounds are definitely less spatial

[hazy sonnet]

I def hope so too, I never used fire before because it just rampages the entire region indiscriminately

[severe egret]

Fire do be like dat

[ionic barn]

more spatial for me..?

[hazy sonnet]

yeah but I don't think fire can spread across asphalt roads lol

[stray badger]

Night makes it much easier to split hordes now, zeds lose track of you easily. Pretty neat

[strong gull]

It's way harder to recognize where the audio is coming from

[vivid kestrel]

Well you could tell based on sound volume how far zombies were from you and based on loudness from each handphone speaker from where.

[ionic barn]

I do have a problem with zombies sounding too close than they are, and only when I'm not looking at them, but it hasn't been happening lots

[hidden path]

Has anyone seen the basements or skyscrapers yet are they as amazing as we thought

[severe egret]

Obviously but like, it can jump buildings pretty easy once a blaze is big enough. But due to the restrictions of the game engine, that's very hard to depict. Whole towns can burn down if nothing intervenes

[autumn pier]

Also, I feel as though horde burning will be harder to control given the new sneak mechanics

[strong gull]

basements are insanely cool but mostly death traps lol

[ionic barn]

skyscrapers are awesome, yeah, Louisville feels a lot more like a real city

[autumn pier]

Only if zeds notice you, right? So as with most houses since the start of the game, the only difference being there’s no window to escape from now

[ionic barn]

is it true DLSS was added this update? I've been noticing blurry details my whole playthrough and it's real frustrating lol

[hazy sonnet]

I think it's about leaning into realism or gameplay, with me leaning more towards dialling it down as to not ruin half of a city due to one unfortunate fire. To me it just feels too punishing

[autumn pier]

Tbf, if realistic fire was a thing, half of the towns would be burnt to rubble, given there’s already a couple of burnt-up houses at the start of the game

[severe egret]

Im partial to a balance between the two. There's no disputing that it's pretty punishing though yeah haha. The balance aint there yet for sure

[digital chasm]

FINALLY

[cunning turtle]

Idk I can't relate, to me the game is so immersive now

[hazy sonnet]

I'd assume most of those either burn out on themselves or firefighters were able to put them out, then got swarmed by zombies (considering some trucks are left around with zombified firefighters)

[past spear]

has anyone else noticed the issues with running in b42?

[ionic barn]

Thoughts on the new (moodle) icons??

[vivid kestrel]

Dunno, playing it right now it feels a lot better but yesterday somehow sounds were more louder than they should be and that's not volume thing really as I am playing on lower volume, odd (though I had to increase it today irony).

[cunning turtle]

What issues

[past spear]

occasionally slowing down and/or running in place, overall just not feeling super smooth compared to b41

[remote bear]

Slight performance stuttering I've noticed myself.

[oak flare]

hey um...when the mods from b41 will become compatible?

[flat phoenix]

Can we be reminded it’s an unstable beta please 🙏🏼 issues will be fixed.

[past spear]

when the mods are updated

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[ionic barn]

when the modders update them?

[remote bear]

Remember to report all bugs here! - https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/43261-read-here-first-bug-reporting-guideformatting/

[oak flare]

i mean some of the modders are kinda inactive tho

[ionic barn]

ok..? It's still their job only

[cunning turtle]

Well idk about that I felt like it's the same running as b41, and I use to run a lot when I'm fighting zombies

[past spear]

nothing TIS can do about that

[hazy sonnet]

and it's not even been 24 hours since the beta came out

[past spear]

i only really notice it when i start running

[cunning turtle]

Well I'll pay attention next time then

[queen shadow]

This is how The Indie Stone saved Christmas

[autumn pier]

Word

[pallid hinge]

can't sleep, zomboid on the brain

[cunning turtle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1311774499712274452/1313579622050300045/9che9k.gif

[mild axle]

Never going back

[edgy heart]

so how are you guys liking the update?

[stark bolt]

The moodles are so ugly🤣🙏

[mental laurel]

I would like more variation in our low res faces but I think making them high res would look worse, like Goldeneye faces

[novel grove]

The QOL changes, the little things that every now and then just pop up amaze me, the noises, the ability to pull out a cigarette from the pack, turning on an oven the fucking HOBS turn on

[autumn pier]

There’s mod to change them btw.
And speaking of mods, some of them are already patched for B42, you should check them out

[deep tusk]

That’s my only complaint, they aren’t ugly, but they do not fit with the game, the game is pixelated, the moodles are not, if they were pixelated I would say they are good

[edgy heart]

I think its awesome, personally. I got to pet a cow!

[gritty pollen]

tbh the map and the little lore tidbits are nice. but the aiming is about as broken as my divorced parents marriage and the ui isnt very good either.

[broken jasper]

the new menu art is gone?

[novel grove]

I know this build is meant to be a stepping stone to the future but my god its a great stepping stone, I've talked a fair amount of smack about Zomboid and its returned and smacked me just as hard back - I really cannot wait to see the future of this game. Obviously going to enjoy this new build but the future is so bright!

[stark bolt]

That’s what I’m getting at I love the pixel ones

[autumn pier]

It’s been gone for a while, yes

[jovial sonnet]

What happened to it?

[deep tusk]

Same!! Weirdly get nostalgia even tho I only started playing this game this year lol

[broken jasper]

I hope it comes back at one point, it was really nice and moody.

[edgy heart]

they removed it because it was casuing so much controversy TIS was worried it was overshadowing the 42 launch

[autumn pier]

Removed for reasons I won’t be getting into. (loading screen arguments, you can see them in #pz_b42_chat)

[bleak gyro]

It really shows how fixated we get on one of the smallest things in b42

[ionic barn]

I've seen more convincing AI art allegations I'm not even going to lie

[deep tusk]

^ I don’t think it’s even AI lol, it’s got a 3D look to it too

[autumn pier]

Let’s not focus on those petty arguments. Would high-res bodies/face be good for PZ? or do yall prefer the lowres of today?

[cunning turtle]

PregnantMosquito is right

[edgy heart]

Yeah, it really shows some peoples priorities honestly. I was jsut thrilled to have some great mechanics to learn.

That said, can we please not make the discussion about the art? It is gone now. lets talk about the gameplay

[ionic barn]

The new moodles don't fit with the art style, even putting nostalgia aside

[stark bolt]

The pixel ones are just better

[cunning turtle]

I wonder what will they complain now

[ionic barn]

True. I'm also bothered over the changes to the timewarp buttons, they also look out of place now

[autumn pier]

The moodles came from a version where the world was pixelated, which is why I think they were redesigned.

Don’t get me wrong, I kind of liked them too, but I suppose TIS is modernizing now

[muted ravine]

i prefer some new moodles but i definitely dislike a few (e.g. the scared one, the hurt one)

[edgy kiln]

ive had a character customisation mod with different face options finished for a few months now but the vanilla textures are so simple that i've been totally stuck on how to make them look different lmao

[ionic barn]

I can see what people mean by the moodles being cute.. some of them definitely are, and it has helped warming up to them lol

That being said, if they wanted to do smooth-style moodle icons, it might be best to do the same with every other icon so that it is at least consistent