WhatZ Next

[daring ginkgo]

also whats the thursdoid that talks about blacksmithing

[earnest cipher]

The AAA Rock is cooking

[finite turtle]

Uhh the connection is made I think

[limber idol]

[urban nova]

When build 45 coming ???

[daring ginkgo]

tomorrow i asked the devs and they said theyd release it then

[open vessel]

numerous Thursdoids have mention of blacksmithing. I found that this one goes considerably in depth about it: https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/10/cellar-door-doid/

[limber idol]

I know I've said it multiple times, but I'm wondering how basements (both static and rng) will effect base choosing

[floral quest]

Will unstable have multiplayer?

[open vessel]

probably later. We don't know when

[carmine dove]

something I find super exciting about this update is way back when all this was announced, I believe I remember them saying that they would start with animals as it would get most of the NPC coding in place, so Im excited that this means things can really start moving forward! Yay Thursdoids!

[floral quest]

oh sorry i read over it😭

[limber idol]

It's ok

[floral quest]

thanks tho

[limber idol]

First the animals, then the horses, then the human NPCs.
(this is just me speculating, but to me it makes the msot sense progression wise)

[frank yoke]

this!

[limber idol]

Tired of the blackpilled doomers as well?

[carmine dove]

absolutely, makes sense, but with animals in place it means the code is there to put in people, Time range wise I would even speculate Human's in another year or so after MP and bug fixes come out, but as a long time player, thats right around the corner!

[frank yoke]

so tired, yes

[limber idol]

Eh, I'd say humans are a bit further down the line than a year. There's still so much other stuff they have planned that I doubt something that complex would be high priority after B42 enters stable.

[carmine dove]

year or so AFTER the bug fixes and MP update! But I definitely hear you, I'm mostly a solo player so I have my hopeful blinders on 😂

[late jackal]

Moths can truly be disgusting, yet beautiful creatures.

[fleet flame]

Doubtful tbh, think about how much more complex it'd be to program smart human AI

[quartz plume]

it's actually kind of the other way around, they've talked about how animals are mostly reusing code they've been working on for human npcs for years

[carmine dove]

(this exerpt is from the 2022 and on Thursdoid is why I say what I said)

Build 43

Worked on concurrently to the balancing and crafting update, as well as discussed and shown within our blogs going forward, will be the first version of NPCs. We’re still deciding what should, could and would be present in the first NPC build. It could include autonomous NPCs that the player can group with, it could primarily include the reintroduction of the story mode, it could have NPC animals, or that could come later.

[sharp garden]

Bet you another year before MP

[limber idol]

Nah not a whole year. A few months sure but not a whole year.

[teal summit]

just like humans

[limber idol]

They already have most of B42 coming out in Unstable, it's just those last few and something secret they'll be pushing in 2025.

[fleet flame]

It's the Riddler, I'm telling you dude

He was behind the outbreak

[indigo bane]

i think they won't push 100% of the blacksmithing into the release of December

like the forge

[frank yoke]

all good, just want the cows

[limber idol]

Probably since the expanded crafting/skills/professions are going to be later

[daring ginkgo]

so what do we know about b43

have the devs released any info on b43

[limber idol]

You need to finish your B42 before you can have any B43

[indigo bane]

what bout b46

[limber idol]

We're getting gta6 before b46

[frank yoke]

gta6 is t r a s h , in comparison of b42

[carmine dove]

as far as I know only what was announced in the 2022 and Beyond thursdoid with the roadmap tells us anything beyond 42

[indigo bane]

we will be going to mars before B46

[limber idol]

No doubt about it.

[daring ginkgo]

gta6 is gonna suck

[weary crag]

project zomboid build 42 mentionned

[daring ginkgo]

wonder when we'll get it

[frank yoke]

build 43 to 48 is polish and NPC
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/content/uploads/2022/01/image-5-1024x585.png

[daring ginkgo]

theyre adding the Polish to project zomboid????? 🇵🇱

[carmine dove]

Well if you go over the history of smaller Builds like 30-40 Most of them were done in a year or two. Build 41 was a revamp of whole systems that took 3 years, build 42 has taken two years, so I really don't think its so much of a stretch to say a year or 2 for build42 and beyond as most of the 40 builds seem to be set up for NPCs and their polishing

[frank yoke]

2030 pz will be finished? wow, that is really fast , much earlier than I expected

[daring ginkgo]

are you sure b42 has only been 2 years

pretty sure its been like 5

[frank yoke]

with stable version, will be 4 years in totall right?

[fleet flame]

They'd be counting it from when b41 stopped getting patches

Cause for a while after stable, it was still getting sizable updates

[daring ginkgo]

when did they remove npcs

[quartz plume]

keep in mind that (theoretically) no build should ever take this long again

[limber idol]

Last PZ update was on 10/4/22

[frank yoke]

right

[carmine dove]

yes correct im counting from when they moved on from B41

[fleet flame]

NPCs got taken out super early on, cause they weren't good

[frank yoke]

b42 stable will be on 2026?

[quartz plume]

multiple builds are now developed in parallel by multiple teams, so the gap between them should be a lot shorter

[daring ginkgo]

unless they lose their laptop with all the NPCs coding on it again

[quartz plume]

they're not starting b43 after b42, they're finishing it

[carmine dove]

exactly!

[limber idol]

Well hopefully there won't be a repeat of that incident

[long ore]

I'm calling it. The week before Christmas we will get B42.

[daring ginkgo]

nah its coming out tomorrow

[fleet flame]

There wouldn't be, there's that many Devs now and that was super early on back when it was a tiny handful of people

They'd have backups

[limber idol]

I'd hope so, it'd be a bit hard for a thief to carry multiple desktops out in a wheelbarrow lmao

[fleet flame]

The thing is the thief would need plane tickets, cause a lot of the devs are in different countries and continents from eachother

Better be a well funded thief

[limber idol]

Yeah I'm being a smartass

[quartz plume]

that's not the kind of mistake you make twice, especially after the public response

[daring ginkgo]

i wonder what b43 is gonna be like

[frank yoke]

NPC

[daring ginkgo]

dont call me an npc

[old flint]

Hopefully done the line we get the food and a medical overhaul

[frank yoke]

??? the update is about NPC

[ebon wind]

I can't believe you called Ben an NPC like that

[carmine dove]

A medical overhaul would be exciting

[daring ginkgo]

can we kill this guy

[eager wyvern]

Oh god, maybe I shouldn't have read Reddit comments about the upcoming Build 42 and sheeps.

They are hoping for craftable tampons so that players playing as females will have to handle menstrual cycles every helicopter events, creating an additional difficulty on top of the existing Apocalypse difficulty.

[daring ginkgo]

omg omg devs please give me gambeson please

[limber idol]

Why would we need a food overhaul?

[fleet flame]

One of these is not like the others lmao

[limber idol]

reddit moment

[ebon wind]

I've definitely seen stuff as unhinged as that said by plungers tbf

[daring ginkgo]

redditors trying not to be freaks for 5 minutes (dont go on reddit"

[carmine dove]

food..?

[quartz plume]

we just had one lol

[frank yoke]

i kill u first gg lol , as defense confirmed

[limber idol]

Sorry I had a brain fart and thought the thing you were replying to was yours

[frank yoke]

didnt know this

[daring ginkgo]

jokes on you i have thick skin >:3

[old flint]

Pretty sure a food overhaul is going to happen at some point. More ingredients and recipes etc and probably use of tables or other cooking equipment for preparation.

[daring ginkgo]

I want medieval zomboid and i want it NOW!

[quartz plume]

the ingredient based cooking stuff is a build 41 future

[daring ginkgo]

i want knight armor!

[eager wyvern]

Why do we need food overhaul? We have quite a lot of food.

Like, I can't remember all those recipes

[quartz plume]

before that it wasn't much more involved than opening tins and cooking meat

[fleet flame]

Listen man, all I want is to raise a rat army and begin turf wars against other rat clans and survivor groups, take over Knox Country

[daring ginkgo]

I want halberds and spears and swords!

although swords wouldnt be terribly useful against zombies

[carmine dove]

I feel like a medical update would be better for after the NPCs though, give more reason to have extra supplies lying around. For right now I just want to be in a highrise with my cat :>

[fleet flame]

Probably wouldn't be that great, yeah

[indigo bane]

What should we expect in the pottery tech tree ?

[fleet flame]

Pots

[ebon wind]

Pots

[eager wyvern]

kiln, vase, adobe walls, a mud hut, Primitive Technology.

[old flint]

Treading climbing the stairs up though 😅

[ebon wind]

😡

[fleet flame]

Early bird gets the worm bud

[old flint]

I’d hate to climb up 32 flights of stairs. Begging the lift works

[carmine dove]

I wonder how populated the skyscraper buildings are going to be and how that will affect the surrounding population limits

[fleet flame]

Lol mate that sounds horrendous, you use the lift and the power shutoff occurs, trapping you

[indigo bane]

uhm ok....

[eager wyvern]

I am more interested in Build 42 new single-player survival strategies.

The end goal is to survive the winter, what will your strategies be when you start the game starting on July 7, 1993?

[indigo bane]

poop

[ebon wind]

I think I will avoid getting hit or bitten by zombies

[eager wyvern]

I don't even see anyone talking about how to navigate at night.

[limber idol]

"Who the hell puts an evac station up 30 flights of God damn stairs?" -Coach L4D2

[eager wyvern]

Night time while you're stuck in your starter home is the most difficult thing to do in an apocalypse right now.

[quartz plume]

make some pots

[indigo bane]

i would love to be able to dig tunnels now that they added underground spaces

[limber idol]

The PZ version of waiting it out in a dirt shack in MC

[fleet flame]

My strategy is to instantly book it and find John Zomboid, he'll protect me

[daring ginkgo]

I feel like in b42 you could have medieval RP servers

with blacksmiths and miners and farmers and knights and stuff

you could have wheelbarrows

[ebon wind]

PZ has got to be one of the only games for which players are excited for wheelbarrows

[limber idol]

When B42 multiplayer drops I'll be dwarfmaxxing. Catch me in a basement brewing beer and smithing weapons.

[fleet flame]

Pfft, medieval RP is kinda cringe, Caveman RP is where it's at

[limber idol]

I prefer primordial soup rp

[daring ginkgo]

ooh ooh aah ahh

stabs you with a spear

[fleet flame]

The Rock Reapers vs the Spear Soldiers, a major caveman faction war RP server

[edgy hawk]

Silly monkeys, give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down

[daring ginkgo]

ooga ooga

[limber idol]

Berry pickers vs mammoth hunters

[daring ginkgo]

Caveman LARP in zomboid sounds awesome

Imagine running into louisville with fur pelts wrapped around your waist and spears, sprinting and yelling as loud as you can while spearing zombies

[limber idol]

Well they are adding bone and animal pelt clothing

Can't wait to spook city slicker survivors by running around just in the tree line while wearing deer bones all over.

[late jackal]

Regarding this graphic, I'm kinda surprised that we're not getting those breakable fences on unstable launch. I figured that what they showed us that day was all there was to it.

I'M ALSO VERY HAPPY THAT OUR CHARACTERS CAN FINALLY SIT ON CHAIRS

[obtuse cipher]

lol the sheep being picked up noise is so funny

[limber idol]

I'm sure there's something more to it than we realize, probably the crowding mechanic or whatever. Also yeah it'll be nice to use furniture without a mod.

[daring ginkgo]

so called "free thinkers" when i stab them in the chest with a spear

[fleet flame]

So called "free thinkers" when I pull out the chair from underneath their character, breaking their leg

[limber idol]

So called "free thinkers" when I add muscle strain to the game

Yeah that's gonna be an interesting new mechanic

[late jackal]

Also, I think "improved agriculture/crops" is a MAJOR understatement! Like, they didn't even mention contextual tool use, where we could use buttons usually for combat to tend to crops if we have corresponding tools in hand.

[limber idol]

They did in a ocuple of Thursdoids awhile back, along with mentioning a handful of new seeds. No names, just new seeds.

[late jackal]

The mod couldn't even handle sitting when the chair is faced away from the screen. Now it can...

[limber idol]

Hopefully they also include lying in bed.

I've noticed they've incorporated a few mods into the new update, 99% sure it's because they've been hiring some of the better mod devs on the workshop lol

[daring ginkgo]

dont the new crops take 9 months to harvest

[limber idol]

They said realistic growing times, so it varies

[daring ginkgo]

does anyone even play zomboid for 9 months

[edgy hawk]

Not likely. Probably they are all features they always wanted to add. Aint gotta hire the modder that modded features in in order to do that

[quartz plume]

there's no way realistic growing times are a good idea

[late jackal]

Also probably because optimizations have allowed more complex stuff to be implemented with less breakage

[late jackal]

💯

[daring ginkgo]

yeah whats next realistic animal growing times

[limber idol]

I doubt they'd have something SUPER long to grow but from my understanding (or misunderstanding) crops will take a little longer to grow and you'll have to do more than check them for disease once a week

[candid sparrow]

love how they blatantly announced the ability to sit on chairs at the end of the building system video

[limber idol]

Yeah they just stared at her for like 10 seconds lmao

[covert ibex]

Just make them straight up kill you if you take too much lol

[limber idol]

Kek

[mild meadow]

i mean don't they already do that with sleeping pills

[covert ibex]

You need to drink alcohol

They won’t kill you otherwise

[limber idol]

But yeah muscle fatigue has me a little concerned. I'm just glad they indirectly said it could be changed and disabled in sandbox

[mild meadow]

i thought you had to OD on them

[daring ginkgo]

was muscle fatigue announced in this thursdoid or a different one

[mild meadow]

i think it makes sense for lower strength/ fitness characters and should go away with use

[limber idol]

Previous and this one

Hollodoid it was mentioned in passing while quoting a tester, this one they talked about it for a couple of sentences.

My (mis)understanding is that you can't go full terminator and whack down 100 zombies in one sitting anymore.

[daring ginkgo]

good

i like the idea of having to choose which zombies you fight

[noble steppe]

Thoid

[daring ginkgo]

melee nerf was needed

[limber idol]

I'm just waiting to see how big of a game changer it is

[covert ibex]

Yeah you drink alcohol and take sleeping pills to Od

[mild meadow]

i thought you just had to have a shit ton of thrm

[covert ibex]

Yeah it was because being able to kill hundreds of zombies in a day is kinda absurd lol

[quartz plume]

iirc both work, alcohol makes it faster

[covert ibex]

I’m pretty sure you only die if you also drink alcohol

[late jackal]

Micro-Survey: what range of growing times do you think would be best for crops in the game?

[mild meadow]

i jhst looked it up yeah alcohol makes it go faster

it halves it

[late jackal]

For me, it'd be 2-4.5 months

[daring ginkgo]

1-2 month

[quartz plume]

both are pretty lenient lol

[limber idol]

"NOOOOOOO you don't udnerstand I NEED to be able to clear out half the town in one day I NEED to be able to bulldoze through piles of zombies with a single crowbar IndieStone is literally killing the game!!!!11!!"

[mild meadow]

6 tablets a little strong

[mild meadow]

yeah but that's fun

[covert ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-confused-gif-25579397

[daring ginkgo]

does muscle strain get easier to handle at higher fitness levels

[limber idol]

Yeah it's fun but I'm just making fun of the people who are going to have meltdowns when this is added lol

[limber idol]

Don't look at me like that Mr. Ice Cream

[daring ginkgo]

so the meta of the ultra-killer 10 fitness 10 strength is still alive

[quartz plume]

b41 made similar changes by disabling multihit and making swinging weapons slow you, and pretty much everyone plays with those settings now

[covert ibex]

Most people play with multi hit what lol

[quartz plume]

if the trait rebalance goes as well as intended, hopefully not

[limber idol]

I don't get why people play with multihit, seems a bit too cheesy to me

[quartz plume]

multihit is still a bit divisive yeah

[limber idol]

(Granted this is probably influenced by the bit in the Walking Dead show that made me stop watching it)

[quartz plume]

it's a bit of a shame because it makes weapon variety more interesting but feels much too strong for me to really consider using

[daring ginkgo]

spears are overpowered

[limber idol]

No?

[daring ginkgo]

i don't need any weapons except a spear and a hunting knife

[quartz plume]

spears are crazy overpowered

[covert ibex]

The game becomes much more tedious without it

[quartz plume]

they're competitive with high skill guns

[livid iris]

I think the muscle soreness will fix that

I just hope that can make you level up strenght and endurance faster

[eager zephyr]

i just like using it, i don't want games to be hard. only if i feel like it

[livid iris]

I would have them have scaling properties instead of just suddenly being stronger after leveling up

[limber idol]

It's a survival game, things will be tedious.

[covert ibex]

I hope we one day get weapon proficiencies like axe man is

What if one day every class has a perk that acts like axe man for their class

[livid iris]

Weapon mastery?

What about each individual weapon having a leveling up thingy

[limber idol]

Nah ,weapon categories are fine as is

[covert ibex]

I just want more skills like axe man for each class

[quartz plume]

more unique effects from traits is a wishlist item of mine

[livid iris]

They are bunched up at their own weapon skill, but what if you use more a sword than a katana, so when you use a katana its kinda weird to swing? i dont know what im saying btw

Its just not the same so it would feel weird

[limber idol]

I get what you're saying, but with the way weapon categories are and the sheer amount of new weapons and combo weapons we're getting in B42 that simply wouldn't be practical.

[fleet flame]

That'd just be a pain in the ass tbh, it'd make the game even more of a grind

You master a weapon and it breaks and is hard to replace, you're fucked and wasted all that time mastering it

[limber idol]

This as well

[ebon wind]

I could see it being neat with a "global" skill that's general proficiency with a weapon class (which applies to all subclasses) & then more specific experience with subclasses of those weapons building up, but personally I'd rather just have it as it is

[livid iris]

I think pain in the ass is the name of the game

[fleet flame]

Yeah but the grind is a big issue rn, the current system of mastering a weapon type works just fine.

[limber idol]

Fine line between being in depth and being a slog.

[livid iris]

I want a meta character i have to fuck my strenght endurance and weight to afford all the OP traits and try to stay alive the first two weeks until i get a decent weight and level 3 STR and END

Yeah alright i guess you are right

[tawny quarry]

well, atleast we have sandbox options.

[livid iris]

Normal people dont like griding

[latent storm]

Bold of you to assume we're normal

[limber idol]

Yeah I'm glad they indriectly said that as well

[latent storm]

I'm OK with combat becoming harder

[tawny quarry]

imagine if it wasn't in the options

that would suck

[latent storm]

If would be more realistic to an actual combat scenario with average joe

[livid iris]

I guess me or someone will mod it

[limber idol]

Yeah normal people don't play zomboid for hundreds of hours lol
(this is not a tee hee I'm so quirky comment, you seriously need to be a little different to enjoy this game after a certain extent)

[livid iris]

Or maybe better is adding a sandbox option to disable it

[edgy timber]

i cant wait to be a rancher

[latent storm]

Because average office worker Joe most likely wouldn't be able to kill an entire town with an umbrella or so.ething in his first week

[livid iris]

Yeah

Its like resource management

If you keep your moodles good you can kill the whole city in less than a week

[latent storm]

Yeah I feel like the update will punish moodle horders more

[livid iris]

It makes sense though right?

[limber idol]

Moodle horders?

[latent storm]

I was never one so it doesn't bother me but some content creators just pile them up

Having like 6 negative noodles at once

[limber idol]

Oh that

[latent storm]

Constantly

[limber idol]

Yeah man just take care of your character

[livid iris]

I just feel like, after a week or two of straineous exercise killing zombies and traversing the city, the character gets into a survival state slowly and becomes more physically capable

[latent storm]

Yeah

[livid iris]

So it should have a tough start that gets slowly easier

[latent storm]

That's kind of simulated through the level system

[livid iris]

I dont know about the outrunning zombies part, because even walking without being tired, you will outpace them

Maybe they should make zombies a little more lethal, if you are good and playing solo you never die unless you get cornered by a horde

Oh they can grab you now i remember

The grapple thing

[limber idol]

Seems like something that belongs in sandbox settings

[tender mortar]

Does the "reworked combat" entitle you will get muscle fatigue from fighting?

[livid iris]

Yes

[oak barn]

i really hope it works just like exercising and you'll eventually get more used to it and stronger, too

theres no reason for it to not work that way

[livid iris]

What about charged attacks and blocking? do you think that could fit into this game? or small dodges (for multiplayer combat)

So its more skill based instead of who has more levels

Or who can stunlock the other first

[covert loom]

no more going out like a mad man and focusing on small amounts of zombies at a time

[limber idol]

Charged attacks wouldn't fit, this isn't Smash Bros

[oak barn]

blocking/dodging i could see being added eventually, maybe
charged melee attacks dont seem like they'd do much though

[livid iris]

Also unconscious state, so melee fights arent lethal unless they smash your head in

[covert loom]

I wonder if some pain killers will be more useful now.

[limber idol]

I think that'll still be possible. Small groups should be fine, not bulldozing through half the town in one day

[fleet flame]

If you get knocked out in a melee fight against someone else, you're fucked anyway

[livid iris]

Imagine catching someone off guard and hitting them behind the head, stunning them and taking them hostage against their group

Imagine such good pvp encounters you could have with something like this

It makes so you arent so fragile too

[fleet flame]

Nah I'm just going to cave their skull in the moment they get knocked out, save myself the trouble

[quartz plume]

the game does actually have a kind of 'charge' mechanic, it's just not communicated

[livid iris]

Also blunt force trauma could work as a temporal inhibitor, like when your arm is injured and you swing slower? it goes away naturally instead of you fixing it

[livid iris]

when you sprint with a spear right

[quartz plume]

staying in the aimed stance for up to two seconds before attacking scales up your crit chance and push force

[livid iris]

oh i didnt know that

[limber idol]

True, but I think Juanse is talking about something a bit more powerful than that

[livid iris]

but instead of it being automatic wouldnt it be better to let the player control it? charging the attack makes you slower thus vulnerable thus you really have to either calculate it or something to use in the last zombie from the horde?

[oak barn]

it'd take time to perform the charged attack either way, and an implementation of an actually separate move for that wouldnt be worth it

[livid iris]

i think its just something cool so the combat doesnt feel remedial and analog

[oak barn]

certainly less of an impact than, say, adding dodging

[quartz plume]

i do think communicating it to the player might make combat more interesting

most players can't play around it because they don't even know it's a thing

iirc it's not a massive deal either way but it can be helpful

[livid iris]

its just too much 1 or 0

[oak barn]

I'm against minmaxxing and i dont think this is a huge deal imo

[livid iris]

its like you can do it or you cant. no tools for combat only running back and hitting the horde until you kill them

[oak barn]

correct, but thats just the combat in general

[fleet flame]

People are going to find a way to min max anyways

[livid iris]

and guns but those kinda suck and are boring in 41

[oak barn]

i think they could focus on other parts of it first

its certainly ver ybasic

[fleet flame]

Shotguns dominate in 41

[livid iris]

yeah exactly

[quartz plume]

it's not really min maxing, it's just making combat more engaging by communicating an extra mechanic 😭

i'd have to double check how significant it actually is though, if it's not a big deal it's probably not worth the game making a big deal of

[livid iris]

i always talk about manhunt melee combat when i talk about this

[limber idol]

Oh so not normal gameplay

[livid iris]

idk its just fun and cool

but in that game melee hits are fast and you are also fast so you can kinda dodge them

[limber idol]

See this whole time I thought you were talking about tweaking melee combat in general and not just for a specific situation

[livid iris]

right, for multiplayer

the only thing that would change fights against zombies would be the charged attack to do extra damage if you wanted

and when you are low dexterity you are slow and a dodge would be cool to kite them better, but thats just me

when the zombies lunge at you

[rancid kiln]

"see yall in a month ig" 🚬 🐺

[swift gulch]

Are we looking at a November or December reelease?

[devout valley]

What di you think

[rancid kiln]

there's like 2 days left in the month man i don't think it'll be november 😭 they said they're aiming for before christmas

[devout valley]

Lol

[swift gulch]

oops meant december release

[livid iris]

december or december

[swift gulch]

felt like it was oct for some reason

[rancid kiln]

yea that's what i woulda did

[swift gulch]

Hopefully early december, maybe in 2 weeks

[livid iris]

i mean they said they have things nearly done

i dont think they need to delay

[swift gulch]

can't imagine they want to work on this over the holidays

[limber idol]

From what they've said in the Thursdoid, unless something major happens or a huge bunch of patches need to be worked on, we should get it before Christmas

[latent storm]

From what it sounds like it's pretty much ready to go, just some last minute improvements

[livid iris]

yippie goated ass game

[empty summit]

Build 49 releases tomorrow 🥳

[oak barn]

literally yeah
and unstable is meant to be, well, somewhat unstable

[swift gulch]

I just want to freeze myself like Cartman

[livid iris]

build 130 next decade yeeeah

[empty summit]

build 1000 in 8 billion years

[swift gulch]

Every Thursdoid is such a fucking tease

I just want to make blacksmithing spears already

and make my epic basement base

[latent storm]

Can you not wait a month

[oak barn]

i want to be a rock knapper

[swift gulch]

no

[oak barn]

rocks are such a common resource that i could make so many spears easily

and since its rock weaponry it will be decent too

rather than just carving wood and hardening it under a fire

[swift gulch]

I hope the Muldraugh house gets a basement

[limber idol]

Which house lmao

[swift gulch]

The famous one with the walls

[limber idol]

[swift gulch]

northeast muldraugh

[limber idol]

There will be some static basements and there will be some randomized

[swift gulch]

next to trailer park

[limber idol]

Oh you mean the isolated house on the side of the road?

[swift gulch]

I hope they add a bunch of small things too, to flesh out thee gam

[swift gulch]

yeah

[limber idol]

Oh alright

Yeah when you said Muldraugh house I thought you were trying to be funny

[swift gulch]

Still no npcs though, so when the base is ready there is nothing to do

[rancid kiln]

everytime i think about npcs i wonder how they're even going to implement them

[swift gulch]

they'll sell the game to Koreans before then

[limber idol]

What?

[swift gulch]

just kidding

[rancid kiln]

it'll be difficult to make them feel anything like a person i feel (was gonna say "player" but it's not like most players act like people)

[latent storm]

The hell is that supposed to mean

[rancid kiln]

and as the game currently is in singleplayer it gives the image that immune people (or at least immune that have survived) are extremely rare so i wonder if they'll preserve that

[rancid kiln]

i dunno what he was babblin about

[grim flare]

For real. NPCs will feel stupid as fuck or will be a revolution for the entire videogame industry. There's no in between

[daring ginkgo]

i think they could work like npcs in Kenshi

[rancid kiln]

there really isn't. i wonder if you'll be able to "talk" to them at all, maybe get some background info on them. it'd be neat if what they tell you would change depending on the actual journey they've taken

[ebon wind]

Wouldn't the in between be them being smart enough to be passable but not revolutionary

[grim flare]

I think it'll be a pain. Rimworld has npcs that feel alive, but the game looks like it came out in the 90s and the entire game revolves around managing their behaviour, giving them tasks and stuff. I don't know what TIS's plans are for npcs, but I can't imagine npcs being satisfactory

[grim flare]

The expectations are too high. Passable is a revolution lol

[ebon wind]

I think they'll be useful in any case

Whether they'll be engaging is a different story (which is not yet written)

[latent storm]

I'm excited for prewritten ones in the campaign

[quartz plume]

i honestly have never been able to get a good hold on what the actual scope and idea for them really is

[rancid kiln]

useful, sure, but i feel like the point is less if they're useful or not and more so if they're "immersive" and lifelike in any degree

[latent storm]

But I believe it will be more along the lines of like Crusader Kings 3

[ebon wind]

The info on them has been scattered over a pretty significant period of time, so that's fair

[rancid kiln]

me neither to be honest

[quartz plume]

i think (or hope) most people are overestimating them being massively important, a lot of people seem to think it's going to become dwarf fortress when they drop

[latent storm]

It's not impossible

[ebon wind]

They're certainly not going to be groundbreaking in their initial release but with the time put into them I'd hope they're at least interesting enough to add an additional degree of motivation for survival

[latent storm]

But it's difficult

Yes in their initial release I assume they'll be quite basic

[rancid kiln]

superb survivors level of basic?

i know their roadmap is like three stages of NPC

[latent storm]

No probably better than that

[rancid kiln]

i'd hope so

regardless they're a while away and honestly i don't think even the devs really have a set in stone idea for what they're gonna be like considering it's years away

maybe broad strokes at most

[latent storm]

But yes I do believe people should temper their initial expectations

[ebon wind]

People should expect them to be AGI I think

[rancid kiln]

yeah but good luck trying to get the greater pz community to be reasonable

[ebon wind]

We should be expect to be able to have full, detailed, spoken conversations with every NPC and their entire brain is emulated down to the individual neurons for it

(5000 upvotes)

[latent storm]

So true

[rancid kiln]

if i can't do a detailed psychological examination on each and everyone of my crew, ION WANT IT

[latent storm]

Project Zomboid will become commonplace in laboratories for neuroscience

The NPCs will be more human than actual humans

[open vessel]

NPCs will replace all devs

[ebon wind]

Ethical concerns are mounting after players discover project zomboid NPCs are actually trapped players

[rancid kiln]

project zomboid will truly go down in history for this one

[rancid kiln]

[ebon wind]

Obv not detailed but I hope there is some form of psychology beyond basic traits. I've imagined NPCs with the RimWorld psychology mod, essentially

I'd rather have something like that than the more Sims-esque “hot headed”

[latent storm]

I want to be able to give a survivor 100 cabbages after meeting her then marrying her 5 seconds afterwards

[rancid kiln]

i definitely want them to have some sort of personality between them and the ability for events to alter them. like imagine one of your crew just shutting down after their close friend dies or something. a survivor goes from able to go with you to gun down a hundred zombies will fall into nervous breakdowns frequently type thing

[ebon wind]

If I can't trade a gun with ammo for one high quality piece of cheese I refund

[ebon wind]

That sort of thing would be great, yeah

[rancid kiln]

needed NOW!

i just hope they act somewhat believably. having some survivors be better at like work tasks over combat and being able to recognize that difference between them whether through some form of UI or just discussion with them or just visually would be really cool

every thursdoid blog HAS to have NPC discussion regardless of whether it's brought up in the blog or not

[quartz plume]

it must be maddening for the devs to hear this nonstop for over a decade

[rancid kiln]

"that's cool but what about npcs"

[ebon wind]

Once we're into b43 blog territory I wonder what the graph will look like for NPC discussion frequency

Like of course initially it'll be NPC-centric but typically these threads end up on topics that aren't related to the blog

[rancid kiln]

at least 100fold

[ebon wind]

They confirm the NPCs will have individual neuron emulation and the blog thread will be full of people asking if their blood vessels will also be emulated

[rancid kiln]

this is true i asked them myself

[latent storm]

Aren't blood vessels actually calculated rn tho lol

In the health tab

[ebon wind]

For the thermoregulation it's considered, but not emulated lol

[rancid kiln]

are they?? for what purpose

oh right

[ebon wind]

Full emulation of blood flowing throughout the cardiovascular system in build 98 🫵 😯

[rancid kiln]

yep. that's awesome sauce

[quartz plume]

i uninstall after dying of a random blood clot

[ebon wind]

Simply couldn't handle the pro gameplay

Zombie jumpscare heart attack? Skill issue

[rancid kiln]

they add an age for your character in and if you're old or whatever you just have sudden heart attacks

[latent storm]

The jumpscare noise it plays now might as well already kill me

Gets me every goddamn time

[rancid kiln]

eat 10 spiffos burgers in succession and get a blood clot and die

[limber idol]

The true American way

[quartz plume]

don't even think about sitting in a car for too long

get out there and move those legs

[latent storm]

The European mind is unable to comprehend the amount of burgers a kentucky resident consumes

[rancid kiln]

it's horrifying when i open a bathroom door and twenty of them all come for me with that sound effect 😭 i have a trait mod that adds panic attacks which play the sound when it occurs too so i always think they're sneaking up on me

[rancid kiln]

that actually made me realize that there's not really a way to lose fitness and strength in vanilla, right? or am i mistaken

[limber idol]

You should get the mod that makes it so every bathroom tile has a 50% chance to spawn zombies

[rancid kiln]

i'd sooner electric shock my balls

[limber idol]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-baka-to-test-to-shoukanjuu-electric-shock-glowing-eyes-taser-gif-16870118

Get over here

[rancid kiln]

bro 😭 NOO

[limber idol]

Lmao

[rancid kiln]

i said sooner not will

[limber idol]

I'm just being a goofy goober

[quartz plume]

it goes down passively but not fast enough to counteract the experience you get from just doing anything

[latent storm]

Does it go down?

I've never heard of anyone leveling down

[rancid kiln]

that's why i never noticed it then i mean when it comes to strength don't you gain xp just from carrying like 60% or more of your carry weight or somethin like that

[quartz plume]

yeah, and from attacking and stuff

[rancid kiln]

it's harder to level down then level up to 10 i guess

[quartz plume]

if you gain a weight trait you can't gain strength/fitness xp past certain levels anymore so i guess in that situation you wouldn't be able to counteract it anymore but i don't think it goes down very quickly either way

[rancid kiln]

aren't they making exertion more drastic in b42 so imagine how painful obese will be then

[limber idol]

Finally I can play as a Redditor

[orchid eagle]

love the thanksgiving video !!

[limber idol]

Yeah it looked pretty cool

I like the new raccoon hat and the bullet tracers

[rancid kiln]

raccoon hat before raccoon is added

[limber idol]

I am genuinely curious as to why raccoons are separate from the rest of the wildlife

Like look at it

[rancid kiln]

idk i guess they're just a lil special

very ominous "Raccoons"

[limber idol]

Right above the mystery addition

[finite turtle]

spiffo easter egg must need a lot of work

if there isnt a very small chance of a raccoon being orange

there will be problems

[limber idol]

Spiff-0 Bot at theb ottom level of the secret military base!!!11!

[finite turtle]

[finite turtle]

im surprised fire rewokr isnt anywhere here

[rancid kiln]

man will fear the day that Raccoons enter the game and terrorize the survivors. The Raccoon Coalition, upon first launching the world, will target a large urban center and begin constructing homes and defenses, their HQ being the nearest Spiffo's restaurant.

[finite turtle]

we got one post abt it and never again, then half a year later one small bluesky post saying discontinued/later into b42 but its not even on here

[limber idol]

You know I completely forgot about that. All I remember is that they updated the visuals. Did they even say anything about changing how it worked?

[rancid kiln]

it's all very secretive you see they're worried what the player reception for the Raccoon Coalition will be

[finite turtle]

yeah, it would change temperature and explode gas cans for example

[grim flare]

I don't see bows and crossbows

[finite turtle]

it was a good idea but i dont think they followed along with it

[ebon wind]

It's right there in the ???

[limber idol]

It might fall under the "Imrpoved Hunting" category in Later but it's not a guarantee

[rancid kiln]

it's too bad. maybe it'll come in one of the 42.xx versions

[finite turtle]

yeah thats what i thought but it wasnt on the unstable plan so

[grim flare]

I just wanna be Daryl 😔

[jade mist]

Bows and crossbows would be a great addition

Silent and renewable

[quartz plume]

i really hope the fire rework is in there, the way it works now really bugs me

[finite turtle]

maybe its a mandela effect

and it never happened

[ebon wind]

Now that I think about it, I imagine bows fall under “Expanded crafting / skills / professions,” since we know bowyer had a crafting tree but won't be in the initial unstable

[rancid kiln]

the devs lurking in chat are gonna really quickly scrub all trace of it from the blogs and channel

[bronze cedar]

I scrolled twice and still have no idea what feature you guys are talking about

Oh I replied to something on accident, sorry cesariou

Ah fire

Fire was worked on by someone who is on MP

MP just wins priority there

[zinc sphinx]

What later means? 🤔 How long it will take to have mp in the unstable or does it release when game comes out of unstable? Would like to go play the new map with friends ☹️

[grim flare]

I just want to set the world on fire with good visuals smh

[finite turtle]

wait, will we get directional audio in zomboid? i dont think its a thing yet. like if something happens on the left side of ur screen the audio will play on the left headphone ear

[finite turtle]

makes sense, i thought i remembered a bluesky post on it

[bronze cedar]

best I can do is basically the only remaining graphic from the tech demo days lol

[grim flare]

Isn't this a thing already???

[finite turtle]

i dont think so

[quartz plume]

it is already a thing and very noticeable because it is way too polarised 😭

[grim flare]

Maybe I'm going crazy

[finite turtle]

wait now i gotta go ingame and see

[rancid kiln]

it is very much a thing

[quartz plume]

most of it sounds good honestly but sometimes you have something just to the left of you playing exclusively out of the left ear

[rancid kiln]

do you somehow have your zomboid js set to mono?

[finite turtle]

maybe i turned it off or something by mistake

[fleet flame]

Directional audio not being a thing in PZ? My friend, are we playing the same game?

[finite turtle]

let me see

[limber idol]

Yeah directional audio is very much a thing

[ebon wind]

I'm so confused too, like how do y'all not get bitten by zombies behind you without noticing their directions

[finite turtle]

btw what does the music library do? im guessing adds/removes music tracks right

[quartz plume]

if i remember correctly it doesn't actually do anything

[rancid kiln]

i thiiiink it's not functional right now

it's supposed to use the old soundtrack before they remastered it but it doesnt do anything

[loud shell]

Але

[finite turtle]

damn

[loud shell]

кода 41 билд

[finite turtle]

i made out one part of that message

[quartz plume]

the switch to disable dynamic music also does not work

[rancid kiln]

it doesn't? i swear it worked for me a couple months back when i tried it

[quartz plume]

i could be mixing it up with the library option which i know definitely doesn't work

it's been probably a couple years since i tried it so i won't say anything with confidence lol

[rancid kiln]

i'm like as sure as you can be without being sure

[finite turtle]

i wonder who made the "this cake is a lie" easter egg in zomboid

(for those who dont know if u add blueberries and oranges to cake batter it will automatically change the name of the cake to "this cake is a lie)

[rancid kiln]

i never knew that probably because i never made cake in this game

i WANT to but i get too busy being chomped on

[grim flare]

I don't live long enough to cook

[quartz plume]

there's supposed to be one for tomato soup too but it's programmed wrong lol

[rancid kiln]

what's it meant to do

[finite turtle]

ok after i tested directional audio it is very much a thing sorry fellers

[rancid kiln]

silly goose

[quartz plume]

if you make a soup with four tomatoes it's supposed to get a bonus to unhappiness and boredom reduction (and get renamed to Tomato Soup, but i think the game would've named it that automatically anyway?)

[ebon wind]

I'll find it in my heart to forgive you someday, Miles. But not today. Spreading misinformation on the internet is truly diabolical and I would NEVER do that

[rancid kiln]

that's neat

[ebon wind]

Shame on you. Shame

[finite turtle]

im sorry omar

please find it in ur heart to forgive me king

[ebon wind]

Okay only because you asked nicely

[finite turtle]

dude i forgot abt the mall music event

its so eerie , the echo throughout the building is crazy well done props to whoever made it

[rancid kiln]

wait what? mall music event?? i've never been to the mall it does that?

is it all major malls or like a specific one

[finite turtle]

yeah, i'll find a v ideo

[finite turtle]

i think its the two

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA1r5iis7g8&ab_channel=ExiledCaptain

heres a soundtrack, not ingame tho, its kinda rare to happen

[rancid kiln]

does it still occur after power outage or no (and thanks for sending)

[finite turtle]

not sure

[rancid kiln]

that's so cool i never knew that was in the game

[open vessel]

were you muted? lol

[limber idol]

https://tenor.com/view/the-orville-project-zomboid-project-zomboid-cigarettes-gif-13058619799702940334

I just remembered in the last Thursdoid there was a quote from a tester that said smoking is no longer op

[open vessel]

it means we are finally getting lung cancer

[finite turtle]

im guessing it'll either make it so cigarattes spawn less, more side effects from smoking, or more negatives when u dont smoke as a smoker

[limber idol]

Probably the last two

[finite turtle]

its silly how cigarattes always spawn 20 or more

i get thats prob how many are in a pack but like not all packs are full

[limber idol]

I mean if you go to a gas station or behind the counter at a grocery store...

[grim flare]

My server wanted to use cigarettes as a currency, but by the end of the month we had so many that they basically had no value lmao

[limber idol]

Lol

[orchid eagle]

nopers holiday stuff going on lol

[limber idol]

Should've gone the Metro route and use bullets

[open vessel]

🦃

[orchid eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/love-you-guys-gif-27090324

[rancid kiln]

am i deciding between eating a spiffo or a turkey here

[open vessel]

we shall eat both

the feast is ready

[livid iris]

STOP EDGING ME

[sour dove]

I hope the first patch after the unstable release is destructable metal fences

[open vessel]

it will actually be “???”

[snow nimbus]

you mean like the ones they have already shown? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB-EFFMhS-c

[sour dove]

yeah I know

that's literally what i'm talking about

they said that's coming later, and I'm hoping that is one of the first updates, not the last

[orchid eagle]

the snacky dugout table!

[quartz plume]

i didn't remember it looking this rough, i guess that's why it's still in the oven

definitely an exciting feature though

[open vessel]

no more indestructible gun store windows (probably)

[sour dove]

I doubt that's included in the feature

[snow nimbus]

it was posted in march so I imagine they have done a bunch of work to it since

[sharp vault]

so we play unstable next thursday?

since the last update ive sold a house married owned a dog divorced raised 3 kids went to college sold 3 cars robbed a bank

[slow sentinel]

,

[unreal junco]

Just out here excited screaming at all my non-PZ friends. 😂 I think they're getting sick of getting updates on whatever I'm most excited about each month.

[acoustic heron]

I got a question regarding darker nights, what about moonlight? No more moonlight? :(

[candid sparrow]

We don't know yet, but probably will not come. But i think it will be somenthing with brigther ou darker night cicle.

[bronze kiln]

What does more Romero like zombie spawns mean?

[eager wyvern]

Watch more John Romero's zombie movies and you will understand.

[bronze kiln]

Not familiar with the movies

[eager wyvern]

Hence. ^^^

[earnest cipher]

That's not very helpful

[open vessel]

“Romero-like zombie spawns”? Where’s that located? Idt that’s a concept

you’re probably referring to rebalanced zombie spawns? Just means there will be a greater zed presence in high-value areas and it’s gonna be more like Project Zomvoid in rural areas and remote locations

[bronze hull]

is there no multiplayer for this or are they referring to server usage

[ebon wind]

No multiplayer in the initial unstable release

[quartz plume]

they spoke about the heatmap changes a couple thursdoids ago if you want more detail about it

[outer token]

initial unstables never have MP tbh

[devout valley]

In other words they gonna make it even harder to live in certain places

[tawdry gull]

How do you get farm animals? They just around? In paddocks?

And do you lure them Minecraft style by holding food in your hand or something

I know you can pick up lambs

[open vessel]

pretty sure some animals will roam the forests and I speculate that farm animals will be found chilling in remote farms on the map such as https://map.projectzomboid.com/#14824x3716x8775

I don’t think it would be unreasonable to assume that there will have to be a minimum acceptance score (feeding and petting them first, etc..) before we are able to attach a rope onto the livestock and lure them into a trailer to take them wherever we’d like

[tawdry gull]

I specifically meant farm animals

[umbral rune]

As someone who likes to live in the woods, the new zombie spawning is gonna be great. it's always so stressful worrying about those handful of stragglers hanging around in the thick woods because they always get you when your guard is down

[tawdry gull]

So true

[open vessel]

yeah, that’s what I was referring to

[umbral rune]

I wonder what's going to happen to farm animals months in? I'm guessing if you don't manage to get them safe quickly, zombies are going to eat them all in a matter of time

fortifying is gonna be more important than ever

I suppose it only takes 1 zombie to wander into the farm and start devouring while you're gone

[open vessel]

iirc it’s been mentioned before that zeds won’t eat animals

zeds will be attracted to animal noises tho

[umbral rune]

what a relief

they only crave long pig

[latent storm]

I'm sure there will be mods for them to attack animals because there has been interest for it

[rapid hawk]

Or maybe a sandbox option

[proud atlas]

Tech tree....

[dreamy quail]

I wonder how much customization the new weapon crafting system has. Can I attach a carpentry hammer to the end of a pole to make a polehammer, or break off a shovel head and turn it sideways to make an axe?

[warm pecan]

👍

[tawdry gull]

Yeah I know just wanted to specify

[grizzled plank]

I doubt itll get Zelda amount, but we shall see.

[pulsar tinsel]

also return of the encumbered moodle lol but that was alr shown

[grizzled plank]

Where?

[pulsar tinsel]

build menu vid for this one

other one was a whileee back after moodles shown

[open vessel]

couple of months back when showing off the gun rework

[mortal kernel]

told ya, when we will see it teased, the build is ready

all features for launch are finished so it's any day now

[orchid rover]

in the next month at least

[mortal kernel]

the next weeks

[orchid rover]

hoepfullu

I'm dying to play zomboid again

I'm actually so hyped it's not funny

I've been holding off on a single player run for my whole entire zomboid career until b42 came around

my 800 hours are pure multilayer but with all the new stuff I'm gonna take a break and finally play some singleplayer

[mortal kernel]

Also the build UI is nice and slick I am confident it will be a huge improvement over the right click context menu

good job guys !

[orchid rover]

100%

taking thr building off right click is good for clutter and all that aswell

plus just making it more intuitive for new players aswell

[rancid kestrel]

honestly the most hype bit is that b42 is releasing in time for the christmas holiday

[orchid rover]

YESS

I just went on holidays so I'm just counting down the days

[edgy hawk]

To be able to search for a specific recipe, and filter by category 🤌

[orchid rover]

honestly best Christmas present might be b42

[mortal kernel]

maybe later

[orchid rover]

and not have it crash or freeze every time you open it

[mortal kernel]

bc it's not integrated with recipes example you don't know what mats are required

[edgy hawk]

Its right there in the clip of it lol

[mortal kernel]

it needs more integration

I know that

it's close to the craft helper continued mod

[mortal kernel]

then you are in for a treat

[orchid rover]

most thing I'm excited for is lighting system and animations

some reason I am just obsessed with lighting in most games

[snow nimbus]

O P T I M I Z A T I O N S

I am hoping that when MP comes out they give us easier ways to do scheduled restarts on dedicated servers

Cause it is such a pain at the moment

[grizzled plank]

Im just craving for that smooth map and view cone

[ember crane]

No

[drifting moth]

hoe lee she it

[grizzled plank]

Is something like fully animated vehicles possible in forseen future?

[outer token]

That might be mod territory

[drifting moth]

best thursdoid this year imo

[outer token]

someones already been doing that for all teh vanilla vehicles

[grizzled plank]

Yeah but vanilla itself is very smooth now, it would fit awesome into the vanilla game

[open vessel]

curious about lockpicking too. Maybe it’s part of the “???”

[proven agate]

I think the code is there for the animations of vehicles and will probs be picked up again in future and put into future update of some sort. Well I read this on a car mod so that's where I got this info.

[dim silo]

you know is possible to mod the game ?

[balmy fulcrum]

A nice surprise that the date is still before christmas!

I read the blogpost, but did wonder about a few things. On the list of Launch and Later. a fair few things aren't mentioned. Like the 'cleaning' feature we've been shown, and the brewing of alchohol, pickling and such.

Are those under the "initial crafting"? Or do we not get those until after the unstable?

[ancient raft]

this thursdoid has me salivating for the update even more than i already was

i'm so excited 😭

[mortal kernel]

Curious and maybe a dev will answer this > did "machines" make it in the first Unstable?

[warm tendon]

it's confirmed boys, 12/31/24 11:59PM

[mortal kernel]

;)) vaguely phrased but much needed nonetheless

[proud atlas]

I want to see the new clothes

[edgy hawk]

Just a friendly reminder to always maintain tempered expectations, just in case 😉

[peak socket]

can’t expect much from them anyway

[edgy hawk]

And here's your unfriendly reminder ^^^

[slow sentinel]

where

[fallow igloo]

What to you think about modapocalypse that will start with this new build?

[sonic wolf]

That you shouldn't even care about mods on release

You're literally getting twice the current content of B41, you'll have things to do

The modapocalypse mostly involves a restructuration of how us modders need to organize files. Then there's core things changing which will truly break some mods for sure but overall we suppose it's mostly a need to repost the mod

And some of these might need one or two tweaks, and then there's the big mods that involve a lot of big stuff which will need to be rewrote on some parts possibly. There are mostly suppositions tho, it's not like they are rewriting the entire game

[open vessel]

this is how your mods died

[magic wraith]

Hey - what's known about the b42 expanded fishing mechanics? I actually like how it is XD

[quartz plume]

fishing minigame

[fallow igloo]

I think this is the end for fishing strategy in cdda

[magic wraith]

actually or?

if its an AC style minigame ima blow my brains out

[quartz plume]

if i remember right, the thursdoid about it was at least a year ago so i don't remember the details

[magic wraith]

damn, thanks anyways

recent blog would indicate that its went down well so here's hoping it don't stink ahah

[fallow igloo]

Its more like SW

You throw you wait

You try not to break the thread

[proud atlas]

I think there will be some minor annoying bugs

But that's about it when it comes to negatives

Oh also you won't be able to see shit at night now

[fallow igloo]

I wish they make flashlight last longer

[ember crane]

Not my concern

[earnest stirrup]

What this mean? (Zombie apocalypse that start with this new build)

[outer token]

He's just talking about how every mod is going to need updating to work with b42

It's neither surprising or really that big a concern, this happened when b41 came out too

[fallow igloo]

I say not really b41 was is unstable branch for some years so it was WAY smoothed

[outer token]

If anything that made it worse because the mods all needed pretty frequent updates but shrug

[elfin charm]

do i understand it right? multiplayer wont be a thing on realease of the patch

[fallow igloo]

Yer we have 2 opposite problems: either live with bug untill new build releases or wait for mods to update

[fallow igloo]

Not really

I think its a question of a few month

This time i don't think dev will be remaking MP foundation

I only wish that they'll make mp radios more anonymous

[elfin charm]

i just hope it will work whenever its coming out

the multiplayer

[earnest stirrup]

Ah ok thanks.

Well mods will benefit a lot from the new code, so it's ok... And anyway is inevitable so...

[fallow igloo]

I just want anon radios so i dont need to constantly change my nickname

(Im a rp guy)

[outer token]

I think most mods that just want to update to work with b42 won't take long, a bunch of mod authors have been waiting for b42 though so I think a bunch of them will be scrapping the old versions of their mods and doing a big fancypants new version

[earnest stirrup]

Can we have info about animZed?
If I'm right it isn't mentioned on the table of the last thursoid.

I wonder if is possible that it will be released alongside with the unstable, or make more sense think it will come during the unstable fixing.

Would be a nice toy to play during the unstable to experimenting with some new mods.

[ember crane]

Sorry, don't know

[earnest stirrup]

Ok no problem 🙂

[fallow igloo]

Will Inconspicuous trait be more... useful? (50% chance of angro just dont work)

[outer token]

Probably since stealth is getting overhauled to actually function

was just in this thursdoid didn't you see it

[fallow igloo]

Stealth overhauled but theyay forgor about traits

*may

[outer token]

previously it was kinda useless because zombies would look in your direction for 1 second, make about 50 spot checks in that second, and then instantly see you after succeeding any of them

[edgy hawk]

Only relative to changes in light and weather though. No word on wether zed vision checks are still gatling fast or not

[outer token]

I think traits are getting some work done but they haven't said much

[fallow igloo]

Still Inconspicuous trait is just not worth it in any way

Same goes tp eagle eye...

[edgy hawk]

Unless its been mentioned in a previous doid

[fallow igloo]

Its better that Inconspicuous but too expensive for its effects

[outer token]

if nothing else I know point costs were getting looked at? cos that was real unbalanced before

[fallow igloo]

cough farmer cough

No real benefits but it somehow exist

I dont care if it gets more expensive give it unique trait!

[ebon wind]

It is possible to mod the game

[edgy hawk]

What is a "mod"?

[fallow igloo]

Its useless even if you specialize in farming

Give it aome foraging

At least

Btw corn?

Corn seeds?

[floral venture]

er

You got everything wrong

Late game food

if you don’t know how to farm you can’t trap can’t eat and more in the late game

[fallow igloo]

As a skill farmimg isn't that of a dealbreaker is you want to farm

Yes its inconvinient but its not like metalworking or carpentry

You get same yeld on lvl 1 and lvl 10 or farming

• the sick ones wich just removes <5% of the yeld

[fallow igloo]

Dont forget trapping is a different skill

btw its way to easy to cap farming

Even with no books

Even at halved exp rate

As a part-time gardener i say the farmer needs to have foraging because it is one of the skill that develops when you farm

[late jackal]

There is literally a still screenshot in the blogpost with higher quality than your image:

lol

[late jackal]

Also, given all the statements from the blogpost, if they manage to make the Unstable Build (with time for initial patches) before Christmas, then the latest I can expect for B42 is around December 16th, that way they have a week to make major patches before everyone leaves for the holidays. A day later, and I'll 100% expect it to be the first or second week of January.
Earliest I expect is probably December 11th.

In any case, I just don't expect B42 to drop next week.

[vague tangle]

imagine it will

[grizzled plank]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-bye-thanks-smile-gif-17171896

[vague tangle]

i wonder in what time frame later features will be released

like 6 months or a year

[vapid delta]

genuine question will the resting animations for sitting on chairs also allow you to lay down on beds or will you just sit on beds too?

[vague tangle]

stand on beds

[ebon wind]

I don't think laying on beds has been confirmed

I hope it's included, later in unstable if not initially

[vapid delta]

if they have implemented sitting I am sure they can implement laying down at some point durning unstable

[mild orchid]

do you think the developers of project zomboid replace the letter S wit Z?

[grizzled plank]

If not, what exactly happening?

[grizzled plank]

I readed someplace above laying anims comes along sitting? From somr players, no proof or source though

[ember crane]

Lying down is a bit more complicated so isn't in yet

[grizzled plank]

Yet? Sounds fine enough

[vapid delta]

keyword

yet

[grizzled plank]

That sleep action finally gonna have anim, yey

[vague tangle]

i think we will get a lot of features during unstable

[ebon wind]

Like a second axis of rotation for placed items, perhaps

(I didn't forget. I was biding my time)

[mild orchid]

Such sinister words, Omar(Evil)

[willow hollow]

Hello, it would be nice if modders could add dogs as animals, like German shepherds to accompany us.

Like, if we could breed German shepherds for the multiplayer mode, that would be great.

[mild orchid]

I am not ready to grow attached to a dog on a screen, only to watch it get mauled.

[willow hollow]

I hadn't thought about it

It would also be a good idea to add a power station for each town, which could be refueled with a tanker truck so that the new lighting system could be used.

[peak dawn]

B42 WILL be next month

[indigo bane]

the next month start in two days

so B42 will be on monday

[fallow igloo]

Btw are you (as a team or someone from the team) going to remaster farmer occupation?

Because it useless (skillwise)

[sonic wolf]

They are most likely reworking every occupations tbf

[fallow igloo]

I know but... they didnt say directly about em

[orchid eagle]

Noo!!!!

[empty summit]

yoo dogs and horses would be so cool

sad it isnt a feature of the animal update

they should add selective breeding for the animal husbandry fr

get the fattest plumpest meaty sheep to breed

u get the most meat

and for dogs and horses u can get certain patterns or breeds this way

[devout valley]

Idk i think they should just do it the rimworld way

Inbreeding animals

[ebon wind]

Great, he jinxed it

[mild orchid]

everytime someone states the release date, it is increased by 1 year

[fossil ivy]

Will we have a crawling animation? Would be cool to have your characters foot so badly answer he has to crawl

Use the surroundings to help move. Would take a lot of work would further cement pz as the most aesthetically pleasing zombies game ever

[latent storm]

I mean I believe they've said amputation will be a thing in the future

And I assume that'll be a part of that

[peak dawn]

I have to be correct one time

[fossil ivy]

That would also be aswome

[sharp garden]

that guy that laughed at me back in early spring for saying that the beta wouldn't come until right before Christmas

[ebon wind]

“But who's laughing now?” Gassenger cackled, the edges of his lips curled into a sinister grin

[deep wing]

What happened to working vending machines and industrial machines by the way

I firmly remember seeing them in a blog post about b42

[bronze cedar]

One for later

[gleaming ivy]

I bet BUILD 42 will be released on a Thursday, can it be Nasko? I'm sure it's on the 12-16th or 19th.

If I'm right, I agree to volunteer for the testing of Build 42. lol 😳

[mild orchid]

i hate release dates

just drop it in the middle of a weekday at 3pm

[oblique blade]

[ebon wind]

I'm sure this came up when high rises were discussed but I'm curious as to whether zombie perception will take height into account. I imagine so since it'd be odd for a zombie 32 floors up to hear a shout

[deep wing]

How much later? B43? I want to make a post apocalyptic logging company

[sonic wolf]

If you read the blogs, you'll understand quite easily that those will come out during updates of B42......

[deep wing]

I do read the blogs, no need to be an arsewipe

[daring ginkgo]

can you believe it guys? b42 is in a week!

woohoo! i am so happy about this information!

[latent storm]

Can you believe it guys? Wow!

[daring ginkgo]

b42! just a week away!

[latent storm]

Someone get on that with the PZ models in Blender

If nobody does I will take up the mantle

[indigo bane]

B42 tonight, can you believe that guys

[fallow igloo]

Me stuck in a metro

Imagine the worst place during z apocalypce

[latent storm]

Tokyo

[fallow igloo]

Any metro during rush hour

India

Any major city?

[latent storm]

Getting stuck in Shibuya when the zombies apocalypse breaks out would be a death sentence lol

[fallow igloo]

On other hand syberia would be chill place if z not airborn

And realisticly speaking 70% of z population would die withing 6-12 month since... well... cold...

[subtle spire]

there will be mini propane cans in build 42

I saw them in the construction video in this thursdoid

[late jackal]

Industrial machines are definitely later down the line

[late jackal]

They said that they need to get the Build out onto Unstable in time so that they'll be able to make patches before everyone goes on vacation for the holidays.

26th is definitely a no. I theorize the earliest that we can expect is like the 11th, and the latest is the 16th (possibly the 17th). News definitely did not indicate "next-week" release, but the 16th gives them time to make patches.

[gleaming ivy]

Yes

The multiplayer was released around the 9th, if I'm not mistaken, so it will probably come out around that range of the 12th-19th.

I forgot about this detail about the holidays.

[bitter kayak]

Just as the trees and grass tiles moves, isn't there any possibility of using the same tec to give a little movement to crafting stations?

[limber idol]

I'm sure if you're 4/5 floors up or higher it would be hard for them to detect you

[late jackal]

Beyond wiggling the tile sprite? Probably not

[ebon wind]

I hope so

[mortal kernel]

I agree, I also expect it somewhere between 9-16 December if it's before Christmas

[timber surge]

Random Q: Is B42 going to be single-player initially? My friend just saw that the thurzoid had multiple in the later category.

[mortal kernel]

also sad no machines from the start

[limber idol]

Yeah it will be singleplayer at first

[mortal kernel]

Is the wilderness only map on for first unstable or later?

[daring ginkgo]

yes

[candid sparrow]

is it true that with the new animation tools, that kinda of animation could be added with less effort ? like, wasting less time making then and see how it works ?

[supple geode]

https://tenor.com/view/fr-lie-gif-9063740662564569899

[cloud moon]

I think so, they are laying a lot of groundwork this update

[candid sparrow]

Yes. I think that b42 also is for give better tools to the devs work on it.

[tawny quarry]

They made b42 walk so b43 can run (it'll still take years)

[edgy hawk]

Game runs just fine idkwym

[ripe garden]

i WANT BUILD 42!
!

[tawny quarry]

Same, i wasnt around when b41 dropped idk how they release updates

[ripe garden]

i dont wanna play until it gets released

[tawny quarry]

Do they release it same time as thursdoid?

[ripe garden]

i dont know

i started playing last christmas

so im in the same boat as you kinda

[tawny quarry]

Yeah

We'll see anyhow

Worst case scenario it comes out 1/2 of january

[ripe garden]

they said before Christmas

unstable

i dont really care if its unstable i just wanna play it 😭

[tawny quarry]

Tbh same idc about how many bugs there are, aslong as they're not gamebreaking i'l still play it

[ripe garden]

animals might be the buggiest part

i wonder if its going to be really hard to take care of livestock

[jade mist]

It will

[tawny quarry]

Good question

[ripe garden]

cause you gotta feed them, protect them from walkers, and make sure they dont get sick.

[tawny quarry]

I'm usually bad at keeping things alive

[jade mist]

It can be hard to take care of yourself

[ripe garden]

not really

not when you have 390 hours

food isnt usually an issue ever

they should make canned food more rare

[tawny quarry]

Depends where you settle

[ripe garden]

canned food is too op

[jade mist]

Canned food is realistic tho

[tawny quarry]

I often go into secluded wooden areas so canned food doesnt spawn that much

[ripe garden]

it would go back after like 2 or 3 years

bad*

also one thing that gets pretty annoying in zomboid is just getting bored

for all my play time ive never got to winter

because it gets too boring and then i run out and do something stupid and die

or i just start a new save

[silk pasture]

b42 might improve that

[ripe garden]

yes

if food were more of a problem it would give players more time to collect food

having a full pantry of canned food prevents me from looting

[tawny quarry]

That's my exact problem after a month i start a new save because i want to try something else over and over

[ripe garden]

build 42 is awesome and its adding so many new things

[ripe garden]

yeah i really wanna make it to winter becuase it looks challenging and new but i just get too bored

im on a save rn and im about to hit october

[tawny quarry]

I must have like 4 characters with more than a month survived that i just dont continue their run

[tawny quarry]

Nice

[ripe garden]

also ive started to play a little with random zombies including sprinters since im getting really good at combat and i sweep through normal zombies on apocalypse

its hard to believe i used to struggle with multi hit

cant play with it on anymore

its way too easy

but sprinters make the game way way way harder

[tawny quarry]

Ive never turned it on to begin with

[ripe garden]

they lit tactical sprint at you

[tawny quarry]

Melee combat is easy when you get the hang of it and you play with shamblers

Sprinters would absolutely obliterate me though

[ripe garden]

if you run and decide to hit only one they will all lure you in

you gotta run if they run at you

you gotta plan a entire plan to kill just like 5 of them

[snow nimbus]

No they release it when it's ready they don't wait for Thursday/thursdoid

[mortal kernel]

yeah it can drop any day it's not related to thursdoids

just like b41 beta

[silk pasture]

i've always set canned goods to insanely rare in sandbox mode, makes sm of a difference like you say

i don't think most peoples cupboards are 90% canned food

[snow nimbus]

PZ taught me to keep a ton of cans stocked irl

just in case of disaster

I also have a bugout bag, but that is because of a very severe wildfire last year

[open vessel]

would probably be a part of the "randomised wilderness and biomes, new grass" under the Launch category

[mortal kernel]

I hope

I understand machines are pushed for later, so I assumed the same since there is no mention of if or the many years later part

[tawny quarry]

Good

[snow nimbus]

❤️

[open vessel]

Spiffo's Secret Sauce at launch?

[limber idol]

There will be a giant enemy Spiffo mech at the very bottom level of the secret military base

[eager wyvern]

New meta! /s

[ripe garden]

plus it would be looted by looters even tho there isnt any npcs in pz

[regal sphinx]

Did anyone else notice this?

I was hoping for wilderness survival we'd just be able to build a floor above us.

[edgy hawk]

Anyone recall if there's been any mention of traps? Like, not animal trapping.. More Kevin Mcallister level shit

[pulsar tinsel]

that's either for testing or a really shoddy staircase using a regular stair icon

tho no matter the quality i feel like stairs should be lvl 4 atleast

[edgy hawk]

Raises the question of how one learns new recipes in a wilderness map with no magazines or anything. I feel like they mentioned how they're handling that but cant for the life of me recall

[pulsar tinsel]

they said most things now get auto unlocked at a high level

or well certain levels

[edgy hawk]

Makes sense

[pulsar tinsel]

so a lvl 10 electrical dude not knowing how to handle generators is no more

[edgy hawk]

Riiight i feel like that might even be the example they gave haha

[pulsar tinsel]

yeah they talked about reducing bottlenecks

[mild bluff]

So i can't coop with my friends on this unstable build when released ?

[pulsar tinsel]

nope

[edgy hawk]

But yeah, shit. You'd think itd be easier to make ladders than stairs.

[pulsar tinsel]

yeah especially when you can barricade at any level lol

u simply barricade the walls and u have a ladder

[edgy hawk]

Mmm. And not only that, without any guidance its probably the first idea for vertical ascension one would have

[pulsar tinsel]

i would jump and place under me instead

[edgy hawk]

Lmao true. Just stack some shit

Thats why i want climbing tbh

[pulsar tinsel]

sadly no height system besides floors

[edgy hawk]

We can climb over fences but not onto cars or crates

Bit weird

[pulsar tinsel]

parkouring to some extent would be cool

[edgy hawk]

Yeah, nothing crazy. Just something like that humanitz

[pulsar tinsel]

god forbid theres a missing tile between you and the next building

[edgy hawk]

Yeah being able to jump a couple tiles would be pretty sweet. Could depend on fitness level i guess

[late jackal]

They're adding new animation tools, so maybe?

[edgy hawk]

TLOU style planks to bridge gaps would be lit

[indigo bane]

If you want to know when the B42 will be released just ask Chat GPT

[pulsar tinsel]

it could work by jumping automatically if ur holding alt (sprinting)

[edgy hawk]

Sure. Most ppl take ages to even discover sprinting so should be safe haha

[late jackal]

I'm kinda surprised we're not getting the new vending machines, but the industrial machines not being in yet makes sense.

They said that they're not going to be adding connected machines at the start. In fact, we might not get those until late B42, if we get it in B42 at all!

[late jackal]

Source?

[indigo bane]

Chat GPT