Heat of the Night

[native wagon]

find a cute puppy to take home to your base

[inland mica]

^^there’s our 5000th message

🎉

[crisp quail]

lol

gj ghost lol

[twilit bloom]

And if its not day one, well you're gonna have a very depressing visit to the pet store 😅

So i guess when animals attract zeds they all just.. hang out? Then what? Something else grabs their attention before the cow moos and brings them back creating and endless loop? I wonder how they handle these issues

[crude blade]

animals would just run away i think

[opaque jewel]

probably, tbh

since zombies won't eat animals, they might just have zombie attraction as a downside

also, I'm curious if butchering animals will have any radius to attract zombies based on smell

[inland mica]

yeah unless they're in a pen then the zombie would just hang out

curious if zombies sticking around in the animal pens would pose problems, such as tainting the grass so your livestock would then get sick and die

or if hitting a zombie and the blood splattering into their water supply would also result in disease

--
outside of an animal pen tho: the likelihood of finding animals and zombies grouped up throughout the map pretty sure would be very low since (1) animals would likely out run zeds if followed + idt typical animal sounds would be louder than maybe 20 tiles or something (I'm just guessing here) and (2) "random empty spaces will have less zombies, and places of interest and choke points will have far more" according to this Thursdoid. I assume those random empty spaces are mainly referring to forests and the outskirts of towns where animals will likely reside

[twilit bloom]

True, though even with a low chance things could still get weird over time. I guess they could implement something to tell zeds "you've already approached/investigated this cow, its not interesting to you anymore". Or perhaps if they can simply see the source of the sound they only go after it if it's a player, otherwise they'll navigate towards it until it becomes visible

These threads always start out as news discussion, but it quickly turns into a place for speculation

[inland mica]

or “release date when?”

[twilit bloom]

A real copium house

[inland mica]

then there’s a bit of shitposting and considerable mentions of previous Thursdoid content

[sage stump]

Oh yeah, good find. This is specifically talking about squeals from slaughter though, which are particularly loud so idk if we can say with certainty that it applies to the “idle” sounds

I'd if does it'd certainly be a smaller radius, but I could also see them not having the sounds attract zombies at all. Personally I hope they do though

[sage stump]

Yeah, that was referring to the older ones with way fewer messages

[tight magnet]

nice reached 5k messages

[tight magnet]

does GhostR get early b42 now

[inland mica]

yeah! GhostR getting it at 11:59 AM and the rest of us will play at 12:00 PM

[fallow dove]

so true

[toxic dragon]

6000 when?

[visual haven]

slightly less than a week to getter done

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-jam-nod-pet-kitty-gif-17932554

[inland mica]

^let’s see if we can get 900+ no-spam messages before Halloween

6000th message gets B42 unstable even earlier at 11:58 AM

[toxic dragon]

I can contribute to the total, no sweat.

Just give me a GIF showcasing some new features, or old ones, and we can debate about the interesting lore in Project Zomboid because of that GIF.

[vast nexus]

Next thursdoid title guesses?

[inland mica]

“No Release DateZ in Thursdoids”

[visual haven]

[crisp quail]

Lol ratball hair puff

[viscid dirge]

this

golden rule for thursdoids

just hope to see the Building UI teased and you'll know it's very close

that's a hint

[sly vault]

Btw, is build 42 still planned for this year?

[strange steppe]

No one knows, but considering they didn't say nothing until now make sense suppose that it's confirmed.

We will get more info on Halloween anyway

[viscid dirge]

stable no

unstable was stated to be out this year

and it's in closed testing as of last month or so

[cyan quartz]

They haven't suggested the unstable won't be out this year as far as I'm aware

[sly vault]

I know this post, but it is so old that I don’t think it’s a good source for estimates 😔

[sly vault]

I don’t remember where the message was but I remember a dev stating that „for now, things are looking good for a release this year“

[inland mica]

it’s the only official post in terms of a release date

[sly vault]

Well, that’s right

[frozen sphinx]

the wait is painful now

[inland mica]

idt one dev would put that out after the “first half of the year” situation. Perhaps you read it in a Thursdoid?

or was it an official tweet or post from TI||G||S?

[sly vault]

I think it was the last one, might have also been the one before

[viscid dirge]

he is referring to Lemmy's comments on Reddit, but that tweet is the official source confirming the release and if that didn't change over time, it means it still stands valid

[viscid dirge]

the wait had gotten a lot shorter we have like 2 more months left so what seemed as a long wait is coming to an end imo

[frozen sphinx]

😭

[viscid dirge]

?

thought that would cheer up the mood

[gloomy fjord]

No

[strange steppe]

Lol

When than? What is the new year of release?

[viscid dirge]

I believe it's time to move on from this subject because it's pointless, untill no further info is given by the devs on this matter, the tweet remains valid with "this year" being the target

for B42 Unstable

Any other information outside the official channel should be treated with skepticism and precaution because most is conspiracy or misleading

[viscid dirge]

don't know if it's a trolling thing, but irritating is all I can say

[strange steppe]

Yeah I think he is joking

[viscid dirge]

troll / joke

troll + joke

[strange steppe]

Well considering the madness this topic is giving.. yeah I would avoid to troll about it.

As you said let see what Halloween will bring... The window is closing anyway..

[gloomy fjord]

stable won’t release this year, which is disappointing. But disappointment is just another human emotion, don’t take it too seriously

[gloomy fjord]

December at the earliest but 2025 definitely

Expect stable to release February

[tight magnet]

literally no one cares about stable

[gloomy fjord]

The Devs do and I do

[tight magnet]

people just wanna play

yeah but everyone rn is talking about unstable

that’s b42 being out for them

which will be this year

[gloomy fjord]

Some features won’t be in unstable plus no multiplayer. All fine but you won’t be getting the hole package yet

[twilit bloom]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gloomy fjord]

yeah, I said unstable prob releasing December

[tight magnet]

thought ur talking about stable

stable is easily 2026

[gloomy fjord]

💀

If stable takes another year, I’d die

we’re getting GTA 6 before stable B42 lmao

[tight magnet]

b42 stable seems like it’s more work than b41 stable imo

[hollow pecan]

guys, when news about pz?

[gloomy fjord]

I guess it’s because it probably is.

To be fair, they are adding in a end game phase, which is like a new 1/3 of the game now

Dev diary definitely dropping on Halloween

[strange steppe]

Yeah I was talking about unstable... I fear stable will requires three months or so after stable release..

I hope AnimZed will be released with unstable...

That and unstable would be a great update already...

[nocturne arrow]

i dont give a single heck about stable

[strange steppe]

At least people could starting to play with animation mod before stable

[nocturne arrow]

give me unstable so i can play XD

[tight magnet]

i agree stable should have some fleshed out mods by then

Also twitter has been hella inactive bruh

[viscid dirge]

I think more updates will get rolled out to the unstable branch before you'll see a stable release, they need to fill some gaps in the crafting and probably more features or improvements , bug fixing and such, so I believe this will take way more than 3 months

[strange steppe]

Yeah I think you are probably right.

But if they add missed features time to time than it's perfectly ok

[viscid dirge]

I think that's the intention

after all, the first beta will not feature all of the stuff

[strange steppe]

Yep, also random basaments Will come probably after, the fixed one should be already on the unstable instead

[viscid dirge]

don't think so

they have teased some of them in plan in new town.

[tight magnet]

random is coming

all basement stuff coming

[viscid dirge]

crafting system won't be finished 100%

i.e bowery

[strange steppe]

Ah oki

[strange steppe]

Yeah

[viscid dirge]

laters

[strange steppe]

I'm very curious about it, but we have several new items with playing so...

[viscid dirge]

tailoring also

not 100% from the start

[tight magnet]

it’s not a small update we’re getting most things off the bat

[strange steppe]

Yes, I'm particularly interested to animals that will add a lot of immersion and life to environment

Animals should be on unstable

[tight magnet]

they are

we only don’t have a couple things that we were told about

who knows what we weren’t told about that’s being delayed but that doesn’t matter

atleast we know a huge chunk

[crisp quail]

i think people also forget that there is a lot of things they dont showcase in the blogs too

[tight magnet]

people always ask for small updates in small time frames so really this should be exciting for them 😂

[crisp quail]

lol

haha theres your small updates ! LOL

[tight magnet]

yeah exactly that why i’m like from what we do know it’s not much being delayed compared to what’s coming

[crisp quail]

yah like lol this is just the build thingies from that update

to this .. i wanna explore and see all the thigns they arent showing

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-keep-your-secrets-alright-then-lotr-gif-12907121

[nocturne arrow]

what does this represent

[tight magnet]

i think when they update the build on steam

[crisp quail]

that stuff

[tight magnet]

for their testing build

[nocturne arrow]

idk what a builds heatmap is

[tight magnet]

a build is a version of the game

[nocturne arrow]

what do the numbers mean

[tight magnet]

so when they update their version in their testing world, meaning adding an update, it adds 1

[crisp quail]

yah l;iek this example

[nocturne arrow]

ok so its the number of updates published to their build

in other words, they've been updating it like hell this year

[tight magnet]

yeah but a lot of times it’s like 1 code change lol

[granite karma]

it's the number of updates published to a private steam branch

updates can be pushed to builds that aren't on steam

[nocturne arrow]

yep, thats what i figured

[crisp quail]

yay more shtuff

[tight magnet]

yay

[granite karma]

an "update" to the branch doesn't mean "new stuff" mind

[crisp quail]

lol yay

[tight magnet]

yayay

[crisp quail]

its still something! lol

[nocturne arrow]

it still means progress is being made, and its cool to see the total number in comparison to the other years

[tight magnet]

yeah a bug fix is a reason to update the build

[crisp quail]

awh but i wanna see funny chicken bugs

[regal blade]

Where do you see this?

[visual haven]

Steamdb.info

This one always makes me laugh

[crisp quail]

lol where is that

[regal blade]

yea i just saw that!

[visual haven]

depots and then it is listed under branches

[visual haven]

🎉

[crisp quail]

sekrits

[visual haven]

spiffos secret sauce

[crisp quail]

lol the sekrit spiffo sauce build

[toxic dragon]

Doesn't really matter that much. It is still the current release window officially given to us. And it is implicitly subject to any changes during development, so there is nothing wrong with it.

[fading burrow]

I don't see the logic here given that it has not been a year yet

[native wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/crack-futurama-crackhead-crackers-addicted-gif-14091188971538157168

how people feel waiting for build 42

[nocturne arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

[viscid dirge]

work in progress

[crisp quail]

snicklefritz

[viscid dirge]

it's funny how people search for clues in all places 😉

[crisp quail]

who doesnt like a good murder mystery

[tiny parcel]

The murderer.

[crisp quail]

[cyan quartz]

I imagine the murderer would quite like to keep the murder a mystery

The victim however...

[crisp quail]

if we kill zombers are we murderers?

[cyan quartz]

That is a mystery

[nocturne arrow]

are we the bad guys

[crisp quail]

[viscid dirge]

If the murderer is insane he will like a good story

[crisp quail]

time to become a zombie sympathizer

[viscid dirge]

insane killers usually like history to remember them so they devise a complex killing habit until they are caught

don't ask why and how I know this

it's work related stuff

[inland mica]

there he is! That’s the murderer

[crisp quail]

lol

its jaquez the beaver

[visual haven]

be like

[crisp quail]

anxious monkey lol

[viscid dirge]

We all do, but discussion about stable version of b42 is way prematurely.
Fist the unstable must land, after that, there will be a time with more updates but to the unstable and maybe, maybe sometime next year we get the first stable, this is so subjectable to change that it's not worth mentioning anymore

:)))))

caught me

[crisp quail]

A lot of people dont keep up with the blogs and stuff so some questions will be asked.. a lot.

[viscid dirge]

Yes but I believe you must be up to date somewhat before engaging in threads like this

Just writing stuff out of boredom seems childish

[inland mica]

if blogs don’t have a release date, we ain’t reading them

[viscid dirge]

that seems to be the general approach, yes very true

[crisp quail]

never happens like since i started using discord and steamforums what back in 2020 or 2021 lol so if it bothers you the only thing i can suggest is you block people or just help them

[viscid dirge]

I had ;))

some of them are blocked

I only see "blocked message" ;))

don't bother clicking it

[crisp quail]

has the lightswitch always had whatever that is on it lol

[viscid dirge]

nope don't remember that

maybe

[inland mica]

pretty sure it’ll be new, so that players aren’t stumbling around in the dark trying to find a light switch in a pitch black basement

and if zombies aren’t alive, can they be murdered?

[crisp quail]

yah cause they shuffle

[inland mica]

https://tenor.com/view/zombie-walking-dead-rwar-help-me-gif-16843207

[twilit bloom]

How did you get this footage of me

[native wagon]

zombie decay after months and years seeing them looking more decomposed and moving more slower

zombies that spawn as crawlers and their body missing their legs would be a nice touch to zombie variants and easy to kill with a stomp

[twilit bloom]

Fr

[native wagon]

Sprinter zombies should decay over time resulting in them being slower.

[twilit bloom]

Something id love is deeper day/night activity systems, maybe even with a hot/cold activity set

Id love all my zeds to huddle into shade on hot days, then fill the streets in the cool air of night/colder overcast days

Would be interesting cause it would make you generally wanna loot buildings at night

[native wagon]

I never loot buildings at night due to risks of getting killed by zombies

[twilit bloom]

Gotta risk it for the biscuit

But yeah rn all those settings really do is downgrade zed stats. Would be great to see some more reactive behaviours to environmental conditions is all

[native wagon]

zombies moving slower in the winters

maybe cars having dead batteries during the winter seasons

[crude blade]

this is a thing already

they dont get slower but they have less heslth i think

[native wagon]

sprinter zombies dont even get slower when they age

Sprinter zombies should only be faster when they are fresh and not aged.

[twilit bloom]

Yeah id love a global setting that keeps zed stats relative to their age but that sounds hefty on memory or whatever

And you'd need ways of consistently introducing fresh turns separately to respawning. Probably just using more scripted events

[opaque jewel]

dying light actually posed this question

if i remember right, the government tells you not to kill zombies outside of self defense

presumably for in case a cure is found

[nocturne arrow]

aint no way we finding a cure for that

also imo the infected are a little bit too far gone

a cure would probably kill them

[visual haven]

Tire pressure should drop too when it gets cold

[opaque jewel]

I agree with both of these, i feel like vehicles need to be more reactive to the weather and environment

[visual haven]

💯

[gaunt cloak]

This chat feels a lot livelier these last few days.

[inland vine]

Might be because thursdoid is in a few days, so people are excited for news

[inland mica]

and each day we are closer and closer to the end of 2024 and we all know what that (likely) will entail

[visual haven]

It is likely to entail

[inland mica]

also, it’s an interesting year for Thursdoids. We got one on a leap day (Feb. 29) and we will get the rest on Halloween (Oct. 31), Thanksgiving (Nov. 28), and one right after Christmas (Dec. 26)

[opaque jewel]

crazy people will call it a sign

[inland mica]

[crisp quail]

https://tenor.com/view/yas-cotton-candy-girl-sugar-rush-hyper-kid-excited-gif-11758657

[visual haven]

https://tenor.com/view/perfetto-yes-gif-26163077

[inland mica]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-excited-woo-shocked-surprised-gif-15991873

[quiet spear]

still huffing hopium that we will get a shadow drop on the 31st

[native wagon]

5 more days of waiting until the Halloween thursdoid.

[still marlin]

Halloween approaches

[viscid dirge]

this thread > The History of Unstable 42 release

[inland mica]

—
alright, I’ll throw something out there to try to get to that 6000 message mark. It’s not a GIF tho and idk how much can be extracted lore-wise, but here goes: sometime 8 years ago (yup I know), there was a mention of the possibility of the insanity system returning (not specified if or when) upon accumulating too much boredom, unhappiness, and/or stress: https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2016/01/survival-impact/

I've read that in past builds, the insanity feature would include hallucinations of zombies and audio files containing whispers and other creepy sounds. Some are probably recognizable from certain (in)sanity mods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNfBX8YC6IY

what are our thoughts on our characters going cuckoo for Coco Puffs? Would this be something anybody here would want brought back or anything our seasoned players/historians can add to this?

[viscid dirge]

my God, build 33....

[quick patrol]

No

[viscid dirge]

Car batteries should drain faster in cold conditions and also gas consumption should increase in hot conditions

[viscid dirge]

Tire friction coefficient should be near 0 on snow or wet surfaces

making steering and handling difficult in harsh weather

also visibility should be reduced in heavy rain / snow

also I remember those car mods in b39 ;))) all good jokes compared to the real deal

[strange steppe]

As as great fan of Lovecraft universe and atmosphere, I literally died waiting anomaly dlc for RW simply because I love that atmosphere... So I would very happy to se an insanity mehcanic on PZ.

As you see also on TWD people that live something like that probably would adapt after some time, because this is how we are, the evolution selected our capacity di adapt to new threats and contest.. something that initially is unacceptable become normal after some times ..

But make sense that sometimes, on particular stressing situations when you risk your life you lose control and mind go crazy, so I think it could be very interesting bring a sort if allucinations stuff to the game.

This would be interesting both for players that for NPC.

Probably could be nice add new traits, some people could be more or less subscet to "mind break".
Or a gas weapons that could be used by players on multiplayer or by Npc.

I also think this is a very low priority, probably something they should start to take in to account when human NPC will be a mature project with the psychological part already done.
This because also if it will be very nice addition for players, it would benefit a lot on npc.

.... To be honest after B43 and beyond I would also very happy to see cultists in the game.
I'm not talking to make ritual a functional thing obviously but simple make so that returning to medieval time some people start to do this things (like in lord of the flies).

[cyan quartz]

Cultists? Are zombies not difficult enough for you?

[twilit bloom]

Bro that could have been at least 5 extra messages for the post count

[twilit bloom]

If NPCs dont come with dead rising psychos what are we even hyping it for?

[strange steppe]

Well they would simply Npc that want kill you, but interacting with other normal NPC could open to interesting stories about these crazy people

[strange steppe]

You are right 😂

[cyan quartz]

That's true

[twilit bloom]

A fireman turned pyromaniac, a nurse trying to look after chained up zeds.. i love the room for these kinds of twisted stories in zombie scenarios

[strange steppe]

Yeah would be amazing, also if pyromaniac would be easy to do I think, the second one would be very difficult instead, it would probably be more a scripted thing that I suppose we could find on the story mode.

[twilit bloom]

They could just be random scripted events tied to relevant locations. Like a doctors office or fire station

[strange steppe]

Well the metaverse can handle also complicated scripted things I suppose

[strange steppe]

Yeah thinking on it should be possible, they could associate several scripted things to metaverse

[twilit bloom]

But it would be way cooler to have some literature leading up to those kind of encounters too. Clues that lead you to these wackos

[crude blade]

im like 90% sure insanity wasnt in older builds

the sound files have just been in there for a while

[urban lantern]

can you make wooden stakes in b42 than can be used to impale zombies? Not like vladislav but as traps that they can walk into

[mystic dagger]

oh well they said they were gonna release it in 2024, and seems like use all of 2024.

[fading burrow]

It is still not even november

They said 2024
It is still 2024

[muted plinth]

We need to wait a little more..and more..and more....

Any info when this month blog gonna come up?

[fading burrow]

Should be on Thursday

[viscid dirge]

Guys, please feel free to scroll back 300+ messages and you will find the answers you seek

[fiery socket]

Thank you pat, atleast i'l have a source to base my defense on this halloween

[gloomy fjord]

For someone like me who works on weekends and fridays because work hates me it’s a blessing

[crisp quail]

Darn

[nocturne arrow]

kill all ther zombs

[crisp quail]

can we have titmouse in pz

or the bird noise!!

[vast nexus]

5300 comments, can we make it to 6k by next thursdoid?

[strange steppe]

We must!

Pat, if we will reach 6000 than is unstable granted for Halloween?

Or we will only get ligma interation?

[crisp quail]

lol the "ligma interation"

[visual haven]

All of this would be awesome! I also would love for snow to have layers or thickness, so it isn't so static, like there is a big difference between 5cm of snow vs a metre of snow

should make getting around in a car more difficult, but also on foot

[nocturne arrow]

unfortunately guys, all the indie stone devs got ligma so B42 is getting delayed (real)

[visual haven]

They just need to press Q for the cure

[viscid dirge]

If I recall "mechanics" isn't receiving updates ?

as well as cooking

didn't see anything related to mechanics in recent posts

[visual haven]

I do not believe they have said anything about it

[nocturne arrow]

cooking seems fairly fine atm

idk about mechanics

[tight magnet]

cooking is basic

[viscid dirge]

very

[tight magnet]

u can craft a lot which makes it seem complex but the system is pretty basic

[viscid dirge]

mechanics also needs some rework, I feel it's too much grind in it

[nocturne arrow]

yeah it is fairly basic but i dont see it as much of a problem

t could be better but its not basic to the point its boring imo

theres worse skills out there

like tailoring, or first aid

[viscid dirge]

?

tailoring is receiving updates in b42

the medical system also I believe got some attention

[nocturne arrow]

i dont think the med system got any attention

i only know of tailoring

[inland mica]

they’ll plan to address food/cooking later on btw

[crisp quail]

yay

[nocturne arrow]

im glad taoiloring is being expanded upon a little, it needs it

but cooking is in a waaay better place than, say, first aid is

or the healing/injury system as a whole

[native wagon]

Vegan trait and being punished for eating meat, dairy and even honey.

[nocturne arrow]

Thats way too punishing isnt it

how about vegetarian

[crisp quail]

what would the punishment be? unhappinees cause thats pretty easy to avoid

as a rotten food enjoyer

[native wagon]

Ovo Vegetarians for example wont eat dairy and meat products except for eggs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovo_vegetarianism

[viscid dirge]

yeah no info about the medical system

my bad

maybe later like cooking

[inland mica]

hopefully

[viscid dirge]

yeah for tailoring you will have workstations

[native wagon]

Medical overhaul would be a nice touch so far injuring yourself is the only way to farm first aid skills

[crisp quail]

i dunno i feel like you would need it to be more punishing if its going to be a "negative" trait

[viscid dirge]

and fibers will come from agriculture

[inland mica]

not really. We use a lot of vinegar, so I’d argue cooking is acidic

[native wagon]

Vegan trait would be punishing for winter survival runs but make the only punishment being upset and unhappiness.

[viscid dirge]

but tailoring won't be 100% finished at the beginning

[native wagon]

bee allergy trait would be punishing .

[viscid dirge]

some levels will require grinding

[crisp quail]

i dont think i have ever made it to winter , so if it was just unhappiness/depression you could just read books to balance which would just be a free trait and i tihnk that would be too easy of a trait

[native wagon]

anti depressants

[crisp quail]

oh yeah thats too lol

[inland mica]

ice cream

[native wagon]

I am surprised we cant overdose on painkillers , Beta blockers, anti depressants.

[crisp quail]

me eating rotten cake and trash to get fat and reading a magazine to negate the sadness

[native wagon]

Only sleeping pills can have overdoses.

[knotty saffron]

where is the new thursdoid

[inland mica]

check back on Halloween

[nocturne arrow]

sadge

[knotty saffron]

oh right, seems fitting

[inland mica]

[vast nexus]

I think there was a mention of a food overhaul as a comment somewhere but not in a dev blog, that will probably coming later down the line.

Ah nvm someone already attached the tweet

[viscid dirge]

y

cleared that out

way later in the line since it stated post 42

probably same for mechanics

I'm glad for tailoring because clothing is vital especially in wilderness survival if you reach the winter

[flint adder]

I'd think that the crafting overhaul is a Jumpstart for overhauling cooking and mechanics and stuff

For instance, maybe being able to more intricately use kitchen appliances and stuff

[tight magnet]

and make seasoning more useful

[inland mica]

^iirc we’ll get butchering and brewing too, which has ties with cooking preparation

[tight magnet]

i remember they made pickled eggs

[crisp quail]

yah earlier someone said we could use wine for soup so i went n tried and infact you cannot unless its pasta , even tried frying pan with mushrooms and butter!

[tight magnet]

problem with cooking is that irl the only difference between eating the ingredients alone and eating what it makes is how much you enjoy it. So you can’t be asking for the food to give you buffs or make it extra healthy because that’s game-y

so as much as i want more complex cooking i can’t really see an incentive except rp

[crisp quail]

ok but eating a raw onion and then taking a bite of sausage makes me like

super happy

[twilit bloom]

I guess you could have an overarching "relief" system. Anytime your character is relieved of a neagtive ailment, they get a small happiness boost

[tight magnet]

whatever the case is, i’d much rather a medical overhaul or mechanics update first

i want small scale surgeries

[viscid dirge]

food preservation brewing and butchery all nice

yeah they have teased brewing with some vinegar made in the process used for preserving

[fiery socket]

Head and neck injuries should be more lethal tbh

[tight magnet]

you also shouldn’t know how bad the wound is only AFTER you take off the bandage

[fiery socket]

Yeah

[viscid dirge]

mmm don't quite agree with this.
Eating high protein foods can for instance boost your metabolism and increase muscle strength with exercise

[tight magnet]

duh

i’m comparing the ingredients vs a cooked meal

[native wagon]

!roadmap

[potent prairie]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1079967390957305857/1079981869686345738/unknown-195.png

[tight magnet]

if you take all the ingredients out beforehand and eat them, it’s the same as cooking them together

unless u can’t eat it raw ofc

[viscid dirge]

still not following, the difference between raw food and cooked food if both are safe is that in the cooking process some proteins and compounds brake down

ie boiling or frying

[tight magnet]

ur not following

thats for 1 ingredient

i’m talking about mixing different ingredients together to make 1 meal

it’s the same as eating each ingredient individually

i’ll just give an example

[viscid dirge]

what do you reffer to as ingredients?

[tight magnet]

you have tomato, lettuce, cucumber, lemon

u could mix to make a salad, or eat each one individually

both same outcome

[viscid dirge]

if you fry or boil them it's not the same thing

[tight magnet]

or you have a steak, rice, broccoli, you could eat each one or mix together

[native wagon]

our characters dont have taste buds and think every food taste the same lol

[viscid dirge]

that's what I'm saying

[digital saffron]

what message did this bot respond to

[tight magnet]

who said it needs to be raw?

[native wagon]

eating raw vegetables without any risk of food poisoning logic.

[crisp quail]

lol make it so you have to wash ur veggies first

[viscid dirge]

raw carrots with broccoli are not the same as fried carrots / brocolli
their nutrients are almost half the value compared to the raw form

[tight magnet]

sure but i never mentioned anything needing to be raw

[viscid dirge]

any raw vegetable that is proccesed will lose some of it's nutritional value

[tight magnet]

a pizza is no different than bread, tomato sauce, cheese individually

that’s my argument

nothing about raw stuff

[viscid dirge]

let me reiterate any raw food that is proccesed will be altered in terms of nutritional value

[native wagon]

growing mushrooms for a new farming skill would add a nice touch to long term survival

mushrooms that could spawn in stores or canned mushrooms if you are too scared to eat wild ones instead.

[tight magnet]

i rly want more multiplayer choices instead of everyone kinda having the same goal

like kenshi

[viscid dirge]

?

[tight magnet]

nothing to rly trade in mp

and rly janky to plan raids esp if trying to be sneaky

only rly works in 3d

sad

i’ll see in b42 cuz so far i could see myself trading a cow with great genetics

but that’s all i could think of rn

once modular electronics get more worked on and if wine is ever gonna be useful then i could be taking advantage of those too

same with that one vending machine video if we get anything like that

[inland mica]

sell Spiffos and merch if you can get your hands on all them or the best items if it’s a player that recently joined

[crisp quail]

we can finally go show off our prized animals at the county fair!

[inland mica]

put Christmas hats on our animals when the time comes

[native wagon]

celebrating Christmas in PZ would add a nice touch and wonder if Santa will give us some Christmas gifts

[viscid dirge]

in wilderness survival I think steel and anything metal related will be of high value for traders

if a server runs wilderness maps

mostly anything high end crafting can produce

[tight magnet]

yeah still yet to see what highest level crafting gets you

tho might just be things we can find

[viscid dirge]

and this can become valid for normal servers if no loot or very low loot settings are desired

[inland mica]

cigarettes will always be in demand

[tight magnet]

thats prob easy to farm

well and find in general

but smoker getting nerfed in b42 pretty surte

[viscid dirge]

depends on the loot setting

[tight magnet]

2 points i think

[viscid dirge]

mhm

[tight magnet]

atleast thats what was shown in an old b42 video showing trait menu

i wonder if Kenshi 2 will come out before stable

[inland mica]

exactly. Once you monopolize that business early on in a server then everyone gonna come to you for cigarettes when they run out or there’s no loot respawn enabled

[native wagon]

smoking trait need a withdrawal so that the trait will disappear after not smoking for a while.

[tight magnet]

i guess yeah if ur able to literally take every tobacco root and only give out the finished products

[native wagon]

foraging for cigarettes

[viscid dirge]

tobacco

it can be grown now

[inland mica]

yup

[viscid dirge]

tobacco farming gonna be a thing

[tight magnet]

thast what we're talking abt

unless ur asking

yes

[native wagon]

chewing tobacco feature

[tight magnet]

they said theyre gonna add things to feed ur urge without actually being addicting

[viscid dirge]

2 points for smoker is fair

[native wagon]

perhaps some medication to treats nicotine withdrawls

[viscid dirge]

it was a free trait

[native wagon]

slow healer is a good trait

[tight magnet]

yeah its just perma infected

i still find it extremely crazy that they dont simply tweak some numbers for medical

instead of only changing for the overhaul

bc its so bad that literally any change helps it a lot

[viscid dirge]

yeah the medical is bad overall and not getting updated now is a little disappointing

but we can manage that with mods until they decide to overhaul it

[inland mica]

wait until we all get our hands pecked by aggressive chickens then we’ll all max out First Aid

[viscid dirge]

I desperately believed that it's gonna get some attention but sadly not...

[tight magnet]

could be speaking too soon but if its not in b42 then ig for some reason they think if they wanna fix a little they have to fix the whole thing

maybe just to brand it as a huge medical overhaul update lol

[viscid dirge]

probably the same as for cooking and mechanics

smaller updates after b42

[tight magnet]

eh thats not as simple as medical

what does mechanics need a change for other than training exp?

[digital saffron]

maybe it will drop in november

[viscid dirge]

none are simple if you consider they are intertwined and interracting with the other

I am talking about the systems

[viscid dirge]

workstations for cars

building different car parts

bodyworks

your own car from scratch

[tight magnet]

hopefully second part of estimate still gonna hold

[viscid dirge]

tunning different car parts, installing makeshifts armors and protections

[tight magnet]

like mechanic shop?

[viscid dirge]

building your own cart / carriages with maybe horses in the future

ideas are plenty

besides the xp leveling

[tight magnet]

yeah the armor stuff fs

they said they plan

[digital saffron]

those who know:

[inland mica]

with maybe rats*

[native wagon]

ratmobile

[crisp quail]

wait what is that from LOL

[crude blade]

definitely stable first i think kenshi 2 is still really early

[tight magnet]

def not rly early

development started in like 2019

almost 6 years ago

they talked a while ago about progress moving along quick and features being done

[crude blade]

yeah but theyve not shown any gameplay except for like a few gifs of the base building and stuff like that

that makes it count as early to me

[tight magnet]

yeah bc they said they dont wanna show a lot

its not like pz

for them they want the surprise

we'll see tho bc stable could take till late 2025 or more

[viscid dirge]

ohh you think the stuff we see in thursdoids is everything we will get ? there are a lot of things happening in the background and worked on but they're not in a presentable format.
Not everything they are cooking is shown in the post

[tight magnet]

compare that to kenshi that showed like 5 things

we easily saw like 80% of the big stuff in b42

[inland mica]

I lost the link or the tweet is no more

it was over a year ago at least

[crisp quail]

was too valuable to keep

[crude blade]

i remember the rat with hair

https://x.com/theindiestone/status/1710027261989056950

The Indie Stone (@theindiestone) on X

Forget zombies--give this guy a lance and we've got ourselves a GAME.

Twitter · Oct 5, 2023, 8:20 PM

[crisp quail]

i love ratball hairpuff lol

[crude blade]

https://tenor.com/view/zomboid-hop-on-hop-on-zomboid-project-zomboid-rat-gif-26618311

[inland mica]

thanks lol

[crisp quail]

yeah!!! lol

[crude blade]

is the rat wearing underwear too or am i crazy

[viscid dirge]

yeah because kenshi is pushing for full release of a finished game

[tight magnet]

exactly

[viscid dirge]

that's not the same with early access

[tight magnet]

im confused all i said was just bc kenshi didnt show much doesnt mean its early

[austere pond]

I like to think this means they were testing horses at some point

[inland mica]

[viscid dirge]

I don't know if it's early or not but most companies don't show much of a game that's gonna release in a full format, they tease and hype but it's carefully planned out

[crude blade]

i think martin just made a lot of animation stuff in advance at least

theres tons of animations in the files that they wouldnt even be able to use until build 45 or something like the funny pillow one

[crisp quail]

yah lol and a bra i think

[viscid dirge]

you won't see much or maybe nothing from GTA VI

[inland mica]

raccoons in PZ bathroom sinks when? https://youtube.com/shorts/yOqeZrhrJFs?si=8woOP5o3b2KhA3YD

[visual haven]

Should never really go away though, maybe I am being too drawn to realism but as an example my mother quit smoking like 15 years ago and still gets cravings - so maybe it should lessen over time but should still be a thing that pops up and if you give in brings you back to where you were

[crisp quail]

yah i quit in 2008 and sometimes ill get weird craving or some weird thing

[visual haven]

Oof that is brutal

But I am proud of you for quitting ❤️

[crisp quail]

just weird , kind of like when u see people on tv smoke in some settings it looks like it would be good or something

[crisp quail]

[visual haven]

Ohhh fair

[native wagon]

glad I never smoked anything in my life

[visual haven]

I luckily never started

[crisp quail]

ya, I PROUD of you guys

[native wagon]

I dont even drink alcohol

[visual haven]

I stopped drinking in 2019 (not because I had a problem but because I hated hangovers)

[crisp quail]

bruh i stopped too like right before covid lol

[visual haven]

😁

[crisp quail]

[visual haven]

Probably for the best, it is so expensive

Stopped drinking pop/soda in 2016

So worth

[tight magnet]

Like 40g sugar in 1 can lol

[visual haven]

Yea it is insane

[crisp quail]

yah theyre so sugary

could it at least come with our own sugar to add lol

now lets make sparkle water in pz

[tight magnet]

honestly why not

[visual haven]

PZ soda fountain when

[crisp quail]

lol

[tight magnet]

alteast should add some functionality to some sprites like popcorn machines

[visual haven]

That would be neat

Need a functional cotton candy machine 😁

[crisp quail]

ah yeah! that would be awesome lol

like some crumbs of popcorn

[native wagon]

popcorn maker machines would be excellent

soda dispenser being functional would also add some nice quality of life .

[crisp quail]

for the rat dairy farm and the 3 cheeses

[native wagon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2XKTZC77eg&t=32s

[opaque jewel]

with fluid systems i could see this being feasible

[austere pond]

We could fill them with beer

[inland mica]

fluid dispenser roulette. Bleach, clean water, tainted water, soda, juice, or alcohol

[crisp quail]

lol

that would be fun

then berry roulette

[inland mica]

mushroom roulette

[native wagon]

psychadellic mushrooms in pz would be funny to have and make characters have a trip of thier own

[tight magnet]

do you see the poison symbol anytime it’s poisonous?

[native wagon]

you would think smell or taste will give it away

[viscid dirge]

I had dreams I was smoking after I quitted

long time ago

[crisp quail]

that would be horrible lol

[viscid dirge]

It was

[tight magnet]

chat should i start

sounds trendy

[crisp quail]

[inland mica]

I started taking pills, smoking, and drinking back in July 2022 but then I stopped playing PZ sometime in the middle of 2024

[tight magnet]

everyone here got some lore bruh

[crisp quail]

Lmao

Our pz char lore

[viscid dirge]

I knew it

It's either true or the wiki is misleading

but I clearly remember reading somewhere about it

and the page was updated this month

[tight magnet]

don’t remember ever reading about it

besides them saying they plan to

but never a time

for overhaul^

never seen anything on tweaks tho

[inland mica]

pretty sure we would’ve read in the Thursdoids about details of a medical overhaul unless it’s a surprise or it was really in between the lines

perhaps the description was written early on and derived from here: https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Beyond this, however, is a much ‘smaller’ but still extremely cool update that’ll drop before NPCs, that will release during the push toward an NPC release… It will serve several important purposes: 1) To balance a lot of the existing mechanics, particularly in relation to traits, professions, skills and other areas of the game that have been neglected or suffered some degradation during the years of development since they were introduced. Balancing traits and professions, medical system, and other stuff where it comes down to essentially tweaking numbers to make more builds viable or close up ‘free points’ exploits in character creation. Loot balancing and anything else that’s an easy balance but will help improve the game also fits in here…

still doesn’t indicate if or when the medical overhaul will happen since they were still planning out everything when the blog post was written

[vast nexus]

4 days remaining until next dev blog

5.6k comments 👀

[tight magnet]

i don’t think it ever reached 6k

[vast nexus]

If we make it to 6k they should totally release b42

[visual haven]

Maybe

but I will settle for a

https://tenor.com/view/slickric-naturedoge69-gif-23058228

[nocturne arrow]

Release B43 first

[inland mica]

on December 31

[inland mica]

!rj

[potent prairie]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/136501320340209664/811751387842609222/RJLovesTheNerf.gif

[inland mica]

[visual haven]

RJ IS a good boy 😁

[viscid dirge]

Yeah I know that's why I said either the wiki editor has better inside infor

or it's wrong and misleading

should be checked

that's why it sprung to mind in last night discussion

[still marlin]

3 days remain

[strange steppe]

Generally they relese a video trailer when a new build is released, but I don't remember if this happen in unstable or stable.

[viscid dirge]

some announcement will be made before release I guess

[strange steppe]

If we need to achieve 6000..

As they said we should have a team that is working on B42 and one that is working on human NPC ai.

Working on B42 also imply working on NPC ai too at moment animals are a kind of NPC.

I'm wondering if they will talk and give some news about the progress of this second team (that is working on NPC) before stable drop or they will update us only after 42 is ufficial released.

I mean I know don't make to much sense talk about something that theorically is part of 43, but at the moment the "two works" are going forward at same time could be cool have some news, like know if all are going as expected or they encounter some difficulties.

[vast nexus]

We probably won’t get any further updates on human npcs until after b42 hits stable

[viscid dirge]

if it's not in a somewhat polished / finished state, you ain't gonna see it

Everything that you see in blog posts are mostly finished stuff

Like the UIs for crafting, the skills, player animation at the workstations, glow-ups, etc.

And this information can be given to us, because we ca see the end results of that work, it's not just a wall of text

[tired granite]

But did they say anything about durability of the tools?

[strange steppe]

Tools?

Do you mean items we must use to craft others one?

Also I wonder if crafting stations will need maintenance or will have a anche to break 🤔

[viscid dirge]

what?

[strange steppe]

May be is talking about items used in crafting, like hammer 🔨 ecc

[viscid dirge]

some primitive tools will have low durability example wooden tongs used in blacksmithing / smelting

breaks after first use

if that answers your question

[viscid dirge]

generators have their own condition so I don't see why they shouldn't have

[strange steppe]

Yes, I think it makes sense.

Hope in a way to "repair" or "maintain" them without a reduction of their total life.

[viscid dirge]

again, don't this so

just like repair works on weapons should work on other items / stations as well

[sage stump]

If there is such a thing I doubt it would apply to every station

I don't think people typically have to worry about their table suddenly collapsing unless they've had it for years

[sage stump]

Probably should've clarified, I'm replying to this

[viscid dirge]

yeah because I was gonna say I was mostly talking about machines

like generators that run non-stop

[sage stump]

Yeah, machines make sense to need maintenance but tables don't really

[vast nexus]

I think there was something about the new makeshift weapons, where parts can break off?

[sage stump]

Beyond replenishing supplies, but that's separate from the station itself

[sage stump]

Yeah

[vast nexus]

I forgot there was new generators coming too

The new newspaper articles are going to be interesting

[inland mica]

can’t wait to read the newspaper Pat wrote about of a separate Ligma outbreak within the Exclusion Zone

[crisp quail]

lol

make brand of beans called PAT ligma beans

[viscid dirge]

tables no, seems not relevant to require maintenance

[fallow dove]

thursdoid this week

[inner idol]

Gib next thursdoid, can't wait anymore 👉👈

[gaunt cloak]

Nah. A brand of nuts

[crisp quail]

no it has to be like lima beans lol

[viscid dirge]

next blog should be interesting

[inner idol]

What's ligma?

[strange steppe]

Wrong question

I live others answer to that 😄

[crisp quail]

lol im not doing it

[strange steppe]

Pat should...

[crisp quail]

one of you guys explain it lol

[inland mica]

was waiting for someone to tell them

[crisp quail]

Yea lmao

[native wagon]

would be funny if the next blog post turns out to be a public build

[icy orbit]

Everyone has been saying this over and over and I'd be highly surprised

[inland mica]

BREAKING NEWS
TIGS writer, Pat_Bren, tells community members to…

[crisp quail]

[strange steppe]

Imagine if they give as a specific date for B42 unstable release, saying they are perfectly sure that it will be released on that day...

... But then Pat write his first Thursdoid with that WORD as TITLE explaining that the unstable have been delayed indefinitely...

That would be perfect...

[crisp quail]

lol someone would take it so personally

i was gonna say do it for april fools but

[strange steppe]

I was 🤔thinking that's too😁...

But technically should be the last thursdoid of the month... That limitation make this difficult.

Unless they said this on end of March saying it will released on 1 April without doing it and than they go in totally radio silence until the end of April, when Pat release is LIGMA Thursodid.

[visual haven]

LigmaZ

Is gonna be the title

[tired granite]

Exactly I don't see the reason to craft a new hammer if the old don't broke

[inland mica]

low condition hammers will probably decrease crafting speed or the chance of something being successfully crafted/repaired

[visual haven]

We getting 'er done

[crisp quail]

we need 6666

[native wagon]

mark of the beast

[tight magnet]

can we all agree to stop messages at 6666

[crisp quail]

https://tenor.com/view/agreed-gif-20367518

[tight magnet]

well prob won’t even make it

[crude blade]

we must start more controversy

[inland mica]

someone gonna troll and make it 6667

or they'll be genuinely unaware that we want the message count to stick to 6666

we should spam a bunch of Spiffo emotes to get us to the finish line

[tight magnet]

[crisp quail]

noo that doesnt count lol!!

also wed probably get grounded lol

[inland mica]

[tight magnet]

[viscid dirge]

more conspiracy

[inland mica]

gonna give some of these out to players in MP servers

[viscid dirge]

bomb this thread with all the wrong, misleading information you can find

[crisp quail]

lol i waws liek is tha tmilk

[visual haven]

next patch will have advanced frog ai

[tight magnet]

i wonder if we will see the new drunk effect

[inland mica]

and if we can pass out after excess consumption

then the zombies will come and feed

[tight magnet]

that would be cool

[viscid dirge]

this should be adressed

seriously

[tight magnet]

is there any benefit rn to drinking in pz

[viscid dirge]

stress

[visual haven]

insta-sleepy

[viscid dirge]

and boredom reduction

[crisp quail]

yah , i use it when need to sleep

[austere pond]

Roleplaying reasons

[viscid dirge]

fatigue gets up, yeah

[inland mica]

calories too

[tight magnet]

i don’t mind it being more negative than positive

[austere pond]

I have never drink alcohol in my life. Is it true that it makes you super tired in like five minutes or is the game lying to me?

[viscid dirge]

boosts unhappiness

that's a lie right there

[visual haven]

also fun things happen when you are drunk and you try to drive in project zomboid

[crisp quail]

really?

[viscid dirge]

ohoo, lost 7 chars to that

[visual haven]

7!?

[crisp quail]

im already bad driver in pz cause of the iso view lol

[tight magnet]

still have no idea why the stat is called unhappiness and not happiness

[visual haven]

holy moly

[inland mica]

depends on the body mass of the person, what you’ve eaten beforehand, one’s alcohol tolerance, bit of genetics, etc.. but yeah it can make you drowsy quickly

[viscid dirge]

up I drink and drive

[tight magnet]

“lowers happiness” is way easier sounding than “highers unhappiness”

[visual haven]

it causes a delay in your actions when driving

[crisp quail]

rofl

i already has that irl

[viscid dirge]

yeah

died 7-8 times in game that way

[visual haven]

that is wild

[inland mica]

I hope there’s more tripping and falling when our characters are drunk (similar to sprinters)

[visual haven]

if I am drinking in PZ I don't leave the safehouse

[viscid dirge]

yes been playing it a long time now and while we had our own server going, we had drink and drive events

fun times

[viscid dirge]

highers is wrong, it's either boosts or increases

[tight magnet]

my point is still there

[inland mica]

anybody remember if they mentioned that the alcoholic trait would be brought back? Was it like "free points," which is why they removed it?

[visual haven]

I don't think they mentioned it specifically, but I do know they are doing sweeping changes to the traits to fix free point traits

so I'd imagine if it came back it would no longer be the case

[bitter hare]

Besides conspicuous, what traits are considered free points?

[vast nexus]

Make characters who take the smoker trait, have a smoker cough

[inland mica]

smoker trait no doubt

high thirst and unlucky too

[bitter hare]

Really? I stopped using smoker because I found it annoying

I do love high thirst though

[viscid dirge]

prone to ilness

[crude blade]

i started taking it and then immediately forgetting and wondering why my character keeps getting anxious lol

[visual haven]

most traits are about how much you want to micro manage

[crude blade]

slow healer is also pretty free

[inland mica]

thin skinned is another free trait

[viscid dirge]

short sighted

the malus can be nullified with glasses

[inland mica]

slow reader if playing SP

[visual haven]

also slow reader if playing MP on a server with quick read speed 😄

[viscid dirge]

most have and it's free points there

in SP it will take some time especially with higher level skillbooks

[inland mica]

imagine smoking in a skyscraper and your character letting out a cough. All the zeds coming for you!

[viscid dirge]

there was a mod with a trait called allergic which made you sneeze randomly

[inland mica]

weak stomach is also free points

[crisp quail]

but my rotten and burnt meals!

[visual haven]

there is also the smoker cough mod https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3101368286

[inland mica]

would be pretty neat if TIGS added farting

trying to sneak by a horde then you let one rip unintentionally

[visual haven]

eat a can of beans and just be farting up a storm

[inland mica]

200 tile sound radius

[crisp quail]

lol no lmfao

people would be so annoying in mp with that

[viscid dirge]

:)))

ohh the laughter

[crisp quail]

"banned because of abusing flatulence"

[viscid dirge]

if this happens while someone streams

[crisp quail]

lol theres no way

[viscid dirge]

it will be the legendary horde summoning fart

[inland mica]

since they're adding dynamic sounds, they can make the fart echo in a basement

that'll be one way to lure all the zombies out lol

[crisp quail]

lol

[inland mica]

"what happened to all the can of beans in this MP server"? "Why are players only growing beans"? No more cabbage meta

[viscid dirge]

playing in MP and not seeing the chars only to hear then the farts behind the woods and zombie smashing sounds alongside

[visual haven]

😂

[inland mica]

could have players let out silent, but deadly farts too then the characters around them will get nauseous. "Blame it on the dead corpses around us!"

"what corpses?"

[viscid dirge]

every time a fart is let out, a child laughs

[native wagon]

farting leading to zombies knowing where you are

[crisp quail]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-butt-head-mike-judge's-beavis-and-butt-head-s1-e11-that-is-funny-gif-4537522518262305750

[native wagon]

burping after eating

[viscid dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk-5RVMerfI

^TOP

[inland mica]

[vast nexus]

If someone lets out a fart the cod zombies teddy bear laugh, from the random box plays. Except zombies in a 200 tile radius then smell your location.

[inland mica]

and they're all spiky sprinters

[vast nexus]

Can of beans becoming the new mp raiding meta

[inland mica]

also hoping the devs add Whoopie Cushions so we can use those as a detection system or superior noise makers to attract zombies when players inadvertently step on them

[crisp quail]

oo like a terraria reference the whoopie cushion lol

[quick patrol]

Spinfo

[native wagon]

whoopie cushion as a distraction tool if a zombie steps on one

[tiny parcel]

Because there's no such thing as happiness in the apocalypse

[cyan quartz]

To be fair

[inland mica]

“this is how you lived happily ever after”

[visual haven]

"this is how your curled up in a ball and ceased existence"

So in discord I have a folder filled with game discords, but PZ discord does not live there. PZ discord usually holds a spot near the top of the list 🥰

[sage stump]

Mine is in the game folder

No special treatment for anyone, nothing trumps organization

[crisp quail]

Cayse were the bestest

[twilit bloom]

Top of the zombie folder

[visual haven]

truth

[inland mica]

I have one serious Discord account dedicated to PZ then I have another account for everything else

edit: I merely jest

[crisp quail]

Knox theories!

[visual haven]

I can't be bothered to have multiple accounts, that sounds like way too much effort

[inland mica]

1 Steam account with only PZ in the game library too

[visual haven]

I was thinking about doing this

I kind of want to have a second account running so I can admin on a separate computer while I am playing with friends

I don't like having admin on the character I am playing so I have a seperate admin login and it is a pain to go back and forth

[gaunt cloak]

Just need to wait for three days until the next Thursdoid

[slate vale]

You can use virtual machine to run another zomboid with another acc, if your pc is good enough

[tight magnet]

i just play zomboid mobile with admin running on pc

[visual haven]

yeee could do that, would probably just use the second computer sitting next to me though 😉

just need to buy another copy of PZ

[slate vale]

Or another way, take another monitor and output PZ from virtual machine there

[inland mica]

lovely

[visual haven]

[vast nexus]

I totally forgot that the devs talked about pre apocalypse professions retiring into post apocalypse professions as time ticks on in game. I hope that feature is in the unstable build

[viscid dirge]

they said that they are revamping the occupations and traits as well

for this 42

unstable release

some traits will be nerfed

ex smoker

[vast nexus]

Yeah I knew about the traits but forgot about the professions, it'll be great to have servers that run years into the apocolypse with post apocolypse professions

[viscid dirge]

more on that maybe later in beta phase

after MP drops sometime hopefully next year, but that's pure speculation on my part

[vast nexus]

I do think it will but likely 6+ months after initial unstable release, but I guess it depends how many bugs and changes they need to fix, plus all the other stuff they need to implement before MP

But ill be happy with SP for the time being.

[viscid dirge]

before anyone takes on MP, I always suggest exploring the game in SP and understanding it first.

[strange steppe]

Honeslty "B42 unstable with animals" and "Bandits mod" would be already an epic upgrade until multiplayer will be available again.

(Also if bandits as other mods will require some times to be updated first..)

[vast nexus]

I cant wait to see what sort of modded maps are going to pop up with basements and skyscrapers

[strange steppe]

There is a map that add metro and sewer but is a standalone...

That woudl be very cool as "basament sub map" and I think author will try to implement this in b42.

[vast nexus]

Yeah ive played the metro map, its decent

[strange steppe]

In my opinion would be cool a way to randomise the position of modded maps in wilderness area.. on away that also the position of these modded map would be always random.

So coding something on a way that when X maps mods are loaded, than these maps are assigned to random coordinates one for time, and avoiding region already taken.
(Talking about random wilderness out of vanilla map limit).

But I don't think Devs have talked about something like that, I wonder if would possible implement something like this coding wise.

[still marlin]

How good is it 1-10

[vast nexus]

In my opinion a solid 7-8 I think, depends on your playstyle if you'll like it or not.

[viscid dirge]

Bandits upgraded with new AI code in b42

• other NPC mods with new AI

[strange steppe]

Damn man...

Yes I quote this ☝️

[viscid dirge]

bandits with animals like wolfs and dogs that hunt you down

all on the new AI

ideas are endless

game can be blown way outta proportions

[still marlin]

Thank you might try it sometime

[vast nexus]

This is what I hope happens, would make the world feel even more threatening. I love making playthroughs be survival, hard to find loot, so having animals threats would be cherry on top

[viscid dirge]

I don't know if the modder will do that but it will be a nice thing to see for sure

yup, we run the hardest survival playthroughs on our server way back last year with mostly no loot and all the hardcore mods

[strange steppe]

Yeah...

Wolfs and bear for that purpose would be awesome, for that reason I really really hope to see AnimZed released with unstable.

May be the author of "dogs mod" will make a try to implement this.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2980870692&searchtext=Dogs

With the new animals ai code this should get a big uograde

[vast nexus]

#1288876443563986964 message

Pretty much confirmed tbh, unless something changes by next dev blog

[strange steppe]

Yeah I'm pretty sure will go out with B42, but I don't know if will be with stable or unstable...

[vast nexus]

Yeah not sure when but it seems it will definetly come to b42 at some point

[viscid dirge]

let

let's wait for the next thursdoid, we will get a better picture and more info on the build

[vast nexus]

keeping my fingers crossed for a chunky dev blog this week

[viscid dirge]

I've said it before, imo, the feature still being worked / polished / tested on is the Building UI

[vast nexus]

Mhm, I think there might be a good chance we will see it this week

[viscid dirge]

if we get to see it, then it's mostly finished

which brings us closer to a release

[viscid dirge]

there is hope

[vast nexus]

If not this blog then likely the next if the build isnt complete

[viscid dirge]

well besides that feature, it's mostly closed beta testing so I think the build is complete

depends on the amount of serious bugs they need to fix I guess

can'

[vast nexus]

Not sure how long theve been doing wider closed testing, but I can see them needing another month of testing

[viscid dirge]

can't roll out a beta that breaks every 10 mins

it won't be fun or enjoyable to anyone

as I said, depends on the amount of stuff that needs fixing

[vast nexus]

2 more days until we find out

[knotty saffron]

We'll get it on new years eve

[toxic dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-gif-11830785380135915945

[strange steppe]

I was thinking on how much could be interesting the "persistent server" and "spefcilized profession" in multiplayer when it will be on...

I prefer single player but imagine players that craft stuff and keep them on their base, protected by other players that collaborate with these players to obtain andvances crafted stuff.
Now imagine these players that must defend what they craft form other players that want assault it for take that stuff that they are not able to craft.

Players that act like bandits to one side and players collaborate together to create more advanced stuff, defending it with walls ecc...

This will open to interesting stories..

Also players that attire zombies orde to assault well protected base... (TWD)....

It seems all interesting...

[young ivy]

what if build 42 never actually existed

[still marlin]

Maybe the real build 42 was the friends we made along the way

[strange steppe]

In that case as other said "ligma z" would be a perfect title for the next thurdoid if they confirm that build 42 never actually existed...

But I prefer think to what Pat said...

B42 is ready from months... But IS is keeping it unreleased playing it because they are greedy.

Also every time someone ask "when B42 release?" The build is delayed by two weeks so that we can learn the importance of waiting...

It's an important lesson..

[still marlin]

in that case we ain’t ever seeing it lol

[granite karma]

[gaunt cloak]

No need to be a dick two days from Thursdoid

[viscid dirge]

there is no point in talking about it as long as 2024 is not over

[still marlin]

I meant like

if every time someone’s ask it gets added two weeks

[viscid dirge]

people indeed will get angry and talk everywhere about it if no unstable is released this year

[still marlin]

My bad if that came across wrong

[viscid dirge]

that's a joke at best

he was trolling it think

so imo any further discussions on the matter are pointless

[strange steppe]

I was joking, I think he was too... But yes, Halloween is coming so we'll get some info soon.

[granite karma]

It was in jest and in reference to the joke of it being delayed whenever someone asks, no dickage 🙂

[gaunt cloak]

Ah k

[tight magnet]

not everyone is a ui designer tho

[viscid dirge]

I guess the team behind it are UI designers

[tight magnet]

yeah but like nothing is on hold bc of the build menu

[viscid dirge]

the build is on hold bc of that lol

it'st he final must have feature they stated it must be in the unstable

[granite karma]

It doesn't need to be 100% finished, mind

Just up to a state of being usable

The polish can come later, never too late for an edit

[sage stump]

Polish language confirmed, too late for an edit

[tight magnet]

TIGS waiting in the corner for the ui to be finished to go home while they did all their work already

[viscid dirge]

no ofc not but it still was being worked on last month the blog rolled out

and I guess if it was operational we should have seen it

[tight magnet]

my biggest worry for unstable release is how many people will think its the full release and treat it like that lol

like forget its unstable

[viscid dirge]

like the rest of the UIs we saw in last posts

[tight magnet]

complaining in and out

[viscid dirge]

mostly finished I believe

[vast nexus]

we are 69 comments away from 6k

[viscid dirge]

sorry but I offer my deepest condolences in general to that kind of people

for their minds

[flint adder]

There will be people who complain about literally anything, justified or not

[proud osprey]

Nice

[flint adder]

I am excited to see UI improvements tho! I'm curious about if it'll be more stylized than the generic style we have now, but in all honesty I like the generic style

[still marlin]

I keep hearing talks of build menu, is this like the mod build menu? A new UI where we can build new items

[viscid dirge]

new structures yes

atm you need to right click for the context menu to appear

[still marlin]

sounds pretty cool

[viscid dirge]

yup

that's what this discussion is about

this new feature needs to be operational for b42 beta

[bold prawn]

(don't mind me, just doing my part so we can reach 6k comments)

[tight magnet]

sad don’t think we’ll reach 6666

[proud osprey]

Quitter talk

We yap, not because we can but because we must

[granite karma]

Please don't just spam the channel for the sake of the post count

[tight magnet]

thank you for your contribution to the number

[proud osprey]

I did intend that comment to mean actual discussion, to clarify

[proud osprey]

I'm getting mixed messages here, nasKo...

oh those are two separate images

Also, question for people proficient with modding, how feasible would it be to change thrown objects like molotovs and pipe bombs to a 3d model instead of the current pngs?

[austere pond]

I kinda want to see how easy it is to make new newspapers and stuff like that. Could be a fun thing to mod

[austere pond]

As a modder who specializes in mapping and clothing mods I can confidently say I have no clue

[tight magnet]

you saw the tool they showed?

for ui

[austere pond]

I think I saw it like... Months ago. I don't remember how it works lol

[tight magnet]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/03/zaumby-thursday/ this one

[proud osprey]

Instructions unclear now wearing pipe bombs while I explore molotov cocktails

[crude blade]

i dont think its possible yet

[tight magnet]

wait till shot arrows become a thing then ask

[proud osprey]

I figure for a model with movement it wouldn't be possible since there's nothing like it in the game currently but even a static model floating like the current png wouldn't be possible?

[proud osprey]

Oh for sure that'll be important tech I'm just talking for visuals I'm not curious about physics or retrievability I know that's so far from our current tech

[crude blade]

the only things that can be 3d in the game are vehicles and dropped objects i think

throwing objects is so old that im pretty sure its impossible to really do anything with them

[proud osprey]

Aaah, yeah that makes sense

It really doesn't seem like it's had much work done on it since it's addition based on how it currently operates

[tight magnet]

i wanna make clay bricks with pottery and throw them

[crude blade]

i think the fire update might have included updates to thrown objects but i cant remember

and the fire stuff has been on hold for a while

[crisp quail]

i told you guys we dget grounded!!!

i wonder if animals make foraging locations scarce , will they eat our sage?!

[tidal nova]

I have a question for the devs that doesn't pertain to B42 necessarily. Let me know if it's already been addressed in a previous news blog or etc.

Will the zombies, at some point in the future, get an upgrade on their attacks? By that I mean, instead of trying the old lunge at the player with both arms and going in for the bite they will, for example: attempt to grab the player by the arm with one hand, or both, to either slow them down/pull them back into a lagging horde?

Just an interesting thought experiment I had while on the shower.

[flint adder]

I mean the only thing I can think of for throwing 3D objects is creating a 'car' from the player that travels in a direction then explodes lol

[tight magnet]

i think they said that with grapple tech that maybe some new moves can be added or dragging down

[flint adder]

Yeah I remember reading about being dragged through windows or something

[tidal nova]

I'll have to read back on GrappleTech, in that case!

[flint adder]

I would love for more zombie threats too. There are mods that do this, but we need hordes to fuck shit up for the player

[spiral python]

they talked about something they called grapple tech before and thats something that puts them on the road to ragdolls too

so I'd say we are getting that for sure, just no word on when

but eventually

[tidal nova]

Yeah, hopefully. Thanks for the replies!

[flint adder]

Ragdolls would be fun ☺️

[tidal nova]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2memes-tf2-gmod-ragdoll-gif-26075798

[crisp quail]

ragdoll trees!!

[flint adder]

When a zombie is killed it could ragdoll, then after it has fallen into place the 'dead body image cache' can do its magic

[spiral python]

until the body gets interacted with again

gulp

I fear for the sanity

[crisp quail]

ragdoll chickens !

[spiral python]

because of the insanity

[flint adder]

Well Ideally for performance reasons you probably cant walk into ragdolls Elden Ring style lol

I've noticed in the recent videos that the dead bodies are rendered at full resolution, so maybe that's an option or corpses are full proper 3D models now?

[tight magnet]

yeah 3d

[crisp quail]

yah i noticed that too , they look so good