Heat of the Night

[twilit bloom]

Unless we get some of those high narrow windows to squeeze through or smthn

[inland mica]

or interconnected tunnels between a handful of houses in a neighborhood/gated community. How awesome would that be?

[crisp quail]

same here

same with bunkers

[native wagon]

bunkers after power outages would be scary and glad the flashlights will be more usful than ever

[onyx eagle]

basements, bunkers, and the like are what I am most exited about for 42

[twilit bloom]

Anything with more than one exit or enough square meterage to be able to juke a large group is gonna be much safer yeah

[flint adder]

I think one of the things I'm most excited for it the sound design updates actually lmao

Those atmospheric sound test videos really do it for me

Also the little bit of thr music we've heard thus far makes it feel a bit more fluid and involved with what's going on rather than playing the same track constantly

[fiery socket]

I wonder if we'll have torches or candles

Maybe a generator on the surface to power the lights on

[twilit bloom]

Some of the recent thrusdoid footage had a character stumbling around with just a lighter

[flint adder]

Isn't there already a candle in the game?

[crisp quail]

Candle here, the other one is so rarre

[inland mica]

forgot how great the sleeping bags look, especially the ones with the green interior that blend with some of the grass and trees

[native wagon]

sleeping bags good portible beds when you need them the most.

all though I will take some naturally spawned mattresses as portable beds

[inland mica]

mattress has an encumbrance of 8.0 and average sleep quality. I hope a sleeping bag and pillow has the same sleep quality if not better for less encumbrance

[native wagon]

Air mattress for sleeping and portable beds

[twilit bloom]

Problem with that is you either need a foot pump, motorised pump or a strong set of lungs

Wouldnt consider it a good travel option myself

[deft matrix]

Remind me why you need a sleeping bag if you can travel by car?

And have your own bed in a house

[inland mica]

(1) you want your character to go camping and your car can’t pass the tightly packed trees deep into a forest; (2) RP purposes; (3) your character likes getting neck or back pain. I’m sure there’s more reasons

[visual haven]

^this, also depends on your run I guess, sometimes I don't have a running car till a long while later due to settings

[inland mica]

yup. Perhaps a few people like playing without cars too or just wanna walk to LV/some other far town for fun or as a challenge so a sleeping bag is your best bet rather than carrying a bed or mattress

[visual haven]

shakes cane "Back in my day we didn't even have cars! And we liked it that way!"

[inland mica]

“whippersnappers!”

[visual haven]

[deft matrix]

Makes sense

[visual haven]

I remember in the very first MP test server a big group of us walked from our spawn (bob and kate's house) to West Point

kept losing people along the way, either due to connect, to zombies, or to lack of food and water

[deft matrix]

Starting to consider to try to survive with car-limited settings

[visual haven]

good times

[inland mica]

lol y’all had it rough back in the day. Can’t imagine spending an irl hour or two walking to the next town

[visual haven]

Hahaha yea, it was wild looking back - but it was so much fun making the trek with others, so exciting after dreaming of MP since the early days and TIGS (at the time) saying it won't ever happen, then one day BAM we got it

[deft matrix]

Feels like the toughest times and longest journeys are the most memorable

[visual haven]

❤️

[viscid dirge]

Don't think so, at least not for the random ones, maybe the permanent sites will be marked as spawn locations

[inland mica]

hopefully. Spawning in a pitch black basement would be interesting

[twilit bloom]

I can see a challenge mode where you gotta escape from deep within a sprawling underground facility being a bit of fun

[strange steppe]

I heard rumours about a special basement located under the military base (not confirmed)...

Considering they are placing also some newspapers here and there I would be curious to see if would be possible find some news about outbreak cause there..

May be under the base there is a research facility that studies the first reanimation case and where we can found scientists theory papers kr diary that track the various test results, obviously without find a real answer because the real cause will remains a mystery.

Would be nice anyway, something like the "day of the dead".

[viscid dirge]

the blog Hunker Inna Bunker explains this

I am curious if you can use a sledgehammer on the basement walls

[quick patrol]

No

[viscid dirge]

good

seemed a little too much to dig through the map like Minecraft

[twilit bloom]

Wonder how long it takes irl to sledgehammer through different types of wall. Drywall/Brick/Block/Concrete.

[viscid dirge]

Mostly depends if it's reinforced or not

and I don't think you can destroy them with sledgehammer only, maybe some advanced equipment is needed.

[twilit bloom]

Just thinking about the overall MP sledgehammer issues. Wonder if that stuff is even on the radar for B42 Mp

[inland mica]

server admin could disable the setting of destroying tiles with the sledgehammer so no one’s getting trapped in a basement or being prevented from exploring the skyscrapers

also, I’m hoping there are safeguards for animals in a pen too. Don’t want players stealing my livestock or having them needlessly slaughtered while I’m away

[icy orbit]

Eh

I wouldn't be so sure about that

[inland mica]

I know, I know. I’m just hoping

[sly vault]

Be honest, everyone feels the build-42ness of the incoming Thursdoid. It’s rising energy is gigantic and cannot be overlooked. Not even the devs can deny this fact!

[nocturne arrow]

True

[nocturne arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-buzzer-gif-2734535025370049889

we will likely get an update on its status though

don't see why not

[viscid dirge]

we will see some update in development and that's it

[icy orbit]

[viscid dirge]

hope the Build UI is mostly done and more bugs are also fixed

[sly vault]

😭

[young ivy]

Is thursdoid todY?

[sage stump]

The last Thursday of the month is next week, so it will probably be a spooky Halloween thursdoid

[gaunt cloak]

Nope. Gonna be on Halloween

[strange steppe]

Would be cool have Thursdoid today with annuncent of unstable release for Halloween 👻🎃🤤

[viscid dirge]

:))

a perfect dream

[strange steppe]

And a perfect Halloween 😉

[icy orbit]

[gaunt cloak]

Okay, that's enough Copium for you

[strange steppe]

Probably is exactly what Pat is doing now, this time he is writing the thursdoid stuff, he is uploading the last images now in the mean time he is enjoying some ☕ ...and will release it today with the great announcement, because he is a cool guy 😎!

[viscid dirge]

lol

[strange steppe]

In my country we say: "silence means consent".

So I suppose is confirmed! 💪🎉😂

[gleaming ridge]

is this thursdoid actually gonna be on halloween... the holiday grind is2g

[quick patrol]

Unfortunately I have caught ligma

[quaint finch]

whats ligma?

[nocturne arrow]

DeezDoid

[quaint finch]

YES

that need to be the thing

[strange steppe]

I'm very curious about bow... It have been confirmed but I wonder if it have some special mechanics, like charge it more or less to vary trajectory 🤔 .

Did they said something about that?

It could be one of that weapon that is relatively easy to craft... But very difficult to mastery to balance this

[pastel inlet]

archery skill

[strange steppe]

Good catch 👍

[pastel inlet]

cuz i think if bows will lvl up aiming it will be a new meta

u can just craft a truck of arrows and commit mass genocide on the streets

[vast nexus]

Probably some new animations and likely a new skill tree unless they just use aiming skill but I doubt it.

[knotty saffron]

aiming needs an overhaul which includes weight and fitness of shooter with caliber and distance. no more +2 aiming cops or hunters at spawn etc.

[pastel inlet]

the aiming system got completely reworked so i think we will see smth like that

[gusty kite]

one of the previous boids details all the different things that play into the new accuracy calcs, which includes stats, moodles and weather

[pastel inlet]

so it will be like advanced trajectory realistic overhaul but without dynamic crosshair

[knotty saffron]

yes but its hard to tell what is going to be in b42 when the devs state that not everything they have been working on or announced will be in the update. feels like I should only expect hunting, pottery, the usual bread and circuses

[native wagon]

simple build 42 features first before and other features in later patches

[knotty saffron]

there is still so much to fix in mp, which is a large demographic of concurrent players.. im just a little jaded by the movement of goalposts over even the last year or so

[strange steppe]

Yeah if I understand correctly you have archery skill... I suppose more the skill is high and more the "trajectory will be the same" when using it on same contest

[knotty saffron]

no one should be able to hear you turning pages in a book, out side a house, over the sound of pouring rain etc

[native wagon]

lamp on a pillar and needing to read a book

[knotty saffron]

this^

[native wagon]

glad lanterns will finally be a thing for PZ

[knotty saffron]

fire rework was announced almost 2 years ago, how did in that timeline did the person hired not finish that before being placed on other tasks? I mean, there was a video showing some of the new fire animations in action.. I guess thats one thing thats being held back.. I thought there was going to me movement from 2d to 3d-ish making the game a bit more detailed. Then there was the improved lighting demo.. Im just espousing that we really dont know what's going to make it in this already belated update.. so im not trying to get my hopes up.

[crisp quail]

yah reading in the dark is so weird

[native wagon]

reading next to a window that is not covered would make sense

[viscid dirge]

Bowery will not make it the first iteration of unstable but maybe in a later version since it needs more work in animation and combat

So get your wooden spears ready

[vast nexus]

We don’t know if they didn’t finish it or if they just weren’t happy with it in its current state.
Maybe had to do with the lighting system needing implemented first.

The person working on the fire rework was moved to other tasks that were more of a priority I remember that being mentioned.

[knotty saffron]

truth. its sad they are not more open with info of whats actually guaranteed to make it in after all this time. its as anomalous as the release schedule

[vast nexus]

In each thursdoid they’ve been saying which things will and won’t be making it into the initial build and which things need more work. They’ve just yet to make a singular post listing everything guaranteed to come in unstable.

[knotty saffron]

wasnt there work being done on an improved UI also? Its been so long its hard to remember..

[knotty saffron]

yup thats whats frustrating

[vast nexus]

I think that was one of the recent blogs where they said the ui was almost complete. So we might get another update on the ui next week.

[knotty saffron]

yes improved UI, improved lighting, (WAS) fire. 200+ new items(many already possible through mods) hunting, pottery, new fishing minigame.. 3x times larger backcountry? some town reworks with better buildings.. I think thats it.. I just hope they really pack it in after all these years, especially since mp might not be functional for some time

[vast nexus]

Unstable b42 is only for SP

[knotty saffron]

yes

[vast nexus]

MP will still run on b41

[visual haven]

It is possible this has changed cause that was many months ago but Fire was confirmed not apart of it

[knotty saffron]

yes, but it was so long ago... lol

[strange steppe]

Well my be that will be a nice surprise 🙂

[visual haven]

Likely hood is Yuri is still with the MP team getting things working properly

part of why MP is delayed

[vast nexus]

B42 mp is gonna be wild fun

[viscid dirge]

yeah but who will play B41 once 42 is out

[vast nexus]

Everyone who wants to play b41. Likely all the rp and PvP servers

[knotty saffron]

just give me functioning proximity bombs in mp already

[visual haven]

Probably people who want to "finish" their modded play throughs will continue playing B41

[viscid dirge]

why?

[strange steppe]

Yeah, but wanna a mod that make possible be eaten by Mum bear 🐻, would be an awesome way to die.

[viscid dirge]

when it's just the same content

[vast nexus]

Because there are some rp servers out there with 100+ players who like the mods.
B42 is not available for mp in unstable build

[viscid dirge]

I know that

[visual haven]

Fire is still not on the upcoming features page as well

[knotty saffron]

as a serious vanilla player, it gets boring and needs serious rework as mp was just slapped on

[viscid dirge]

I'm asking why would you still play a build that's being replaced by the new one?

[vast nexus]

As I said servers can only run b41. Some rp servers have hundreds of players that roleplay, not all of them want to play single player.

[viscid dirge]

but it's not the same singleplayer is it?

[knotty saffron]

because many of the improvements in b42 are already available through mods, which is why this game taking so long is somewhat irritating. many mod communities will not have to switch over for a bit cause these people a re that diehard

[viscid dirge]

ok, like what?

[vast nexus]

I’m struggling to understand where you’re going with this or what you’re asking.

Servers can’t run b42 therefor have to run b41

[knotty saffron]

oh yeah I forgot the new voice overs and dynamic music which is pretty smooth

[vast nexus]

If people wanna switch between builds that’s up to them

[viscid dirge]

Let me rephrase it

[sage stump]

No, I won't let you

You can't make me

[knotty saffron]

its shrimple really..

[visual haven]

New sprinter screams

[viscid dirge]

Why would a player still play B41 with mods and RP and PVP and everything possible when the new B42 will take over it's place

[knotty saffron]

they RELLY love theri base

[visual haven]

because if they are on an RP server they probably want to finish their story line

[sage stump]

B42 unstable won't be released with multiplayer, so anyone playing multiplayer

Beyond that people will probably switch

[viscid dirge]

I know this

[vast nexus]

Once b42 is out on MP then all the servers will update to b42

[knotty saffron]

b41 is so jankity and glitch filled, incomplete with mp slapped on top. Im more concerned with fixing all the previous jank from years ago that hunting tbh. I am hopeful for a full bowl of soup

[vast nexus]

MP isn’t that bad, I’ve run servers just fine no issues.

[viscid dirge]

I don't know

[sage stump]

I've personally not experienced that much jank

[cyan quartz]

I dunno which game you've been playing

[knotty saffron]

sound yes, lighting yes, bigger map yes, cows chickens gonna get killed by raiders lol

[sage stump]

They do have a forum for submitting bug reports if your experience really is that bad. Worst I see is some desync teleporting here and there

[viscid dirge]

Imo it's a waste of time, instead you can learn and explore the new features in B42 that will become a current thing

[cyan quartz]

Aside from like, vehicle lag, I have exprienced no real bugs at all

[knotty saffron]

this^

[sage stump]

If people care more about rp then they'll probably have more fun continuing their rp

I'll be switching to singleplayer for sure to experience b42 when I can, but that's not for everyone

[strange steppe]

I think that simple there are some people that prefer multiplayer and other single player.

Some people that live for multiplayer will prefer stay there for roleplay with other players (that simulate NPC and humans stories).

Others prefer single player and use mod as bandits for that, or simply survive alone.

Degustibus...

[visual haven]

B41's MP was built from the ground up, pre-41's MP was literally slapped on

B42's MP is continued work on B41's codebase

[knotty saffron]

how bout zombie AI? trash. how bout stun lock from m16 3 screens away? car doors that ghost out in vanilla. etc

[native wagon]

next week on Thursday will be fun

Halloween and blog posts both excellent combination.

[cyan quartz]

Zombie AI is fine in my experience. Do you want them to be as smart as people or something? Dunno what stun lock is or how screens are a unit of measurement. Car doors not always closing (if that's what you're talking about) even if it looks like they are closed is annoying yes but not technically a bug.

[knotty saffron]

I guess there is a schism between servers that either elicit (all) the mods, or vanilla servers that are so strict they will not patch jank with qol mods etc. I just want a better vanilla experience

[vast nexus]

I’ve played with sprinters perfectly fine. The stun lock is a bit irritating but you can out gun someone with an m9 who has a m16 as long as you get the first shot.
For car doors all you need to do is wait 1 extra second for your character to close the door rather than just jumping in and driving off.

[knotty saffron]

one word : Fences

[vast nexus]

What’s about the fences?

[viscid dirge]

another word: Roll

Sprinters = Roll mod

[knotty saffron]

dont sleep on that waiting to get in tip lol

[cyan quartz]

Zombies struggling to climb fences? Do the devs even care about this game

[native wagon]

glad tall fences will be nerfed if you allow it

[visual haven]

I will allow it in all of my games 100%

[knotty saffron]

mobs dont respond to fences in vanilla properly, or should I say realistically. It enables you to cheese them.

[visual haven]

nothing in sacred

or safe

[viscid dirge]

I know

[cyan quartz]

Well I haven't noticed that. You're giving us some pretty minor bugs here

[native wagon]

no more fence stabbing zombies for cheap kills

[knotty saffron]

I would like some paintings of abe lincolin or anyone for that matter that doesent look like terraria globs

[viscid dirge]

cheese techniques are numerous

[vast nexus]

If you have zombie lunge enabled and use the fences to cheese them, it can be risky.

[viscid dirge]

nah

[native wagon]

zombies do give free nails and planks from destroying fences lol

[viscid dirge]

just hold your nerve and face the fence with your back, if they climb over and lunge, they will always miss you 😉

[native wagon]

just need to nerf water shutoffs where you get no water in the pipes.

[viscid dirge]

backfacing the fence while they lunge over it will prevent them from entering your hitbox 😛

[knotty saffron]

there is plethora of bugs that have not been resolved in mp vanilla. the proximity bombs dont work on players.. etc the information is out there, sorry I dont have more

[viscid dirge]

just open up the code and see

this is SP and MP also

[knotty saffron]

man my anger makes me want to brush up on java

what pixel art program is used to generate the items if you were so inclined?

[sage stump]

Your anger should make you want to get anger management maybe

That said, #mod_development is a good resource (for modding questions, not anger management)

[knotty saffron]

programing management mabe

they call me the Warthog

[cyan quartz]

It's a massive game lol. You're making it sound like unplayable soup, all I've heard is that if you wish to cheese zombies with fences you can and a certain gun has "stun lock" or something

[vast nexus]

Pretty sure disabling bomb damage on players for mp was intentional.

[cyan quartz]

And I have experienced no bugs in my time, so I have to disagree

[viscid dirge]

The game is not unplayable, it's just rant from little anger management issues

[cyan quartz]

I'm sure the devs would appreciate a bit more love in here

[native wagon]

I cant to hunt some deer and care for some livestock animals

[viscid dirge]

Should have seen Starfield on day 1, after 10-15 mins it just crashed and crashed and crashed, now that's a AAA game from Bethesda....

[vast nexus]

I’ve played since mp was released and haven’t had many issues.
As soon as b42 is released it’ll be going deer hunting

[knotty saffron]

Im just asking the devs to "clean the plates from the table" before serving the next course. I mean, its no secet that mp was just slapped on a few years back

[knotty saffron]

lol, soon the class action suits will begin for star citizen if it misses its actual release..

[strange steppe]

Dev probably know that also people that are mourning here love the game a lot, otherwise they wouldn't joined the discord to discuss.

[knotty saffron]

or they could tell everybody to go kill themselves again( that was Lenny right?)\

[viscid dirge]

Dude, it's an early access game, you can expect some bugs from time to time, as long as none are game breaking, I don't see the point of this ramble.

[knotty saffron]

bro this game is almost old enough to drink

[vast nexus]

If you don’t like the game then don’t play it? In my eyes the game is fantastic

[cyan quartz]

Almost every time I check this discord it's just hate lol. I feel bad for the devs, don't know what happened to make so many so exclusively angry at the game

[knotty saffron]

Theres a lot of buzz getting around about certain early access games potentially exploiting the policies bestowed on them over a period of time.. I just hope pz isnt like that although there is a lot to be disscussed and has been in recent months

[knotty saffron]

bro the lead dev rained down hate before on honest questions

[cyan quartz]

I wonder why lol

[viscid dirge]

I know, that's another problem but with Steam for their endless early access policy not the devs, as long as Steam permits this, not putting up a limited time frame for this option of releasing, it's no pressure on anyone really

[cyan quartz]

A discord server for your favourite game should not be a battleground trying to fight the devs. Dude you aren't owed updates or anything.

[knotty saffron]

you can look up the accommodations granted to early access developers, including tax breaks, office discounts and of course you can look up how much revenue a company has brought in etc. its no secret this is a small dev team, just saying

[cyan quartz]

What are you even trying to say dude?

[knotty saffron]

14 years and some change

[cyan quartz]

Small dev team, therefore the community should be brutal and we should expect great things

[crisp quail]

i bought this in 2014 never once have i expected anything from the game because i knew what the purpose of ea is .. there have been games in development much longer that do not use steam and you never see them getting the same amount of hate for it.. I have seen small companies blossom with early access where as other methods probably werent working for them.. its all how you look at the big picture.

[sage stump]

It's really just these news channels and pz chat tbf

[knotty saffron]

many people work in a gilded cage that they built themselves

[crisp quail]

some? lol we couldnt even rip sheets man lol

go play build 38 and come back lol

[wispy ether]

Wait until you see Steam

[cyan quartz]

I guess this is the main places I check. Still, just sad to see

[sage stump]

I keep far away from there

[crisp quail]

i cant wait for the new blog and the grat comments

[cyan quartz]

You mean getting money for working on the game? What are you even trying to say?

[knotty saffron]

star citizen will be the first domino to drop in court, then there will probably be more restrictions on what constitutes an "early access" game

[sage stump]

The gestalt of early access

[viscid dirge]

I don't know what are we discussing here, but I'm gonna withdraw myself before it gets outta hand

[knotty saffron]

oh you mean passive income over the past several years with little to show for it then yes

[crisp quail]

lol

[viscid dirge]

so be it, I will fund TIS myself if needs be, no worries 😉

[wispy ether]

You act like there isn't work going on over those years

[knotty saffron]

I sure got my moneys worth though with almost 6000 hours the largest time given to my steam library for sure

[sage stump]

Not long ago you said you were angry & now you're ranting. I'm saying this genuinely: you should close this chat for 5–10 minutes and see if you feel as passionate about this after returning

[viscid dirge]

a little agitator amongst us

[vast nexus]

Feel free to send the devs an email with your feelings if you want. I don’t think this is the place for hatred to thrive.

[sage stump]

It seems like you may have worked yourself up a bit. No shame in that

[knotty saffron]

my anger is a loving god of chaos

[knotty saffron]

len would tell me to kill myself lol

[cyan quartz]

"Urm devs, I regret to inform you you're being paid without my consent by the company you work for"

[crisp quail]

oh come on

[knotty saffron]

look it up its alredy happened

[wispy ether]

Len?

[crisp quail]

its funny how they let us vent our frustrations and yet when they do it its not okay lo

[knotty saffron]

yup

[sage stump]

You know, the vocaloid

[wispy ether]

Who's Len, I don't know a Len.

[sage stump]

The Indie Game Store has been known to use Kagamine Len in their promotions

[knotty saffron]

dunkenly ranted for players to kill themselves its out there

just goggle it

[cyan quartz]

That must have been very difficult for you. I mean I'd have to paid if I was going to dedicate hours to unplayable soup.

[sage stump]

I don't think anyone has denied it, it's just not relevant

[knotty saffron]

soup is soup

[crisp quail]

yeah okay lol

[wispy ether]

You mean Lemmy then
I'm well aware of our history

[crisp quail]

i dont like dwelling on the past

[knotty saffron]

lenny>lemmy sorry been hanging out with Aurther Morgan lol

[cyan quartz]

Really fun soup, seemingly. Soup so fun you can spend thousands of hours on it

[knotty saffron]

it takes a good server to wash down the funk

[knotty saffron]

me too its just an abuser is an abuser without remorse

[cyan quartz]

Or maybe you're just playing a good game

[wispy ether]

I think something that happened 14 years ago, was apologized for and in a high stress situation mixed with alcohol and you're still clinging too is a bit much. You're just using something as fuel to stand on a moral ground, as if someone can't make a mistake in life and make up for it - and that it's somehow relevant 14 or whatever years later to bring up because you're upset the game is slow.

[knotty saffron]

a lot of good vanilla servers gave up recently with the announcement of belayed mp even if release. now its just a sea of rp servers.. Brazil is always poppin tho

[cyan quartz]

I don't understand the thought process behind dedicating time an effort to shout at devs that gave you a game you've spent thousands of hours on

[crisp quail]

I am sure there was errors on both sides. I don't know why people hold onto constant negativity as it does nothing for anyone.

[knotty saffron]

I want them to be better people and own up to their timelines and goalposts.

[crisp quail]

ugh

[cyan quartz]

As if they owe you something, as if them getting paid is an issue, as if you have the right to go hunting for personal drama and information online

[crisp quail]

were getting build 42 this year just like they said

[knotty saffron]

they do owe me something. a product which they keep advertising and accruing revenue from

[crisp quail]

no they dont

[knotty saffron]

oh you sweet summer child..

[crisp quail]

actually im born in december

[cyan quartz]

So you aren't allowed to advertise or make money from a game once you've finished it? Missed when they passed that into law

[wispy ether]

Cathartic, is all I can say. I'll never really understand it either. I despised many games and development teams over my life and never bothered to just go to their forums and rant or rub it in their faces. I don't know where the inherent rage of it comes from - though there was a time years ago I was inside a lot, and I think that contributes a significant amount.

[crisp quail]

yeah i dont get it either i see it on phas and valheim and its like.. why

[cyan quartz]

Perhaps. It's a real shame

[knotty saffron]

ugh its tiresome to have someone promise you they are going to pay you back then 6 months later they a re like, I can pay you half tomarrow, then 6 months later they say I man pay you back 5 bucks, then the next time, they say, well I may not even pay you back this year at all maybe. then what would you say to them? keep trying? lol.

[crisp quail]

thats a odd comparison and i feel completely different

[cyan quartz]

The mental gymnastics here

[knotty saffron]

its an accurate metaphor for moving the goalpost while promising more than can be delivered thats all.

[crisp quail]

what promise lol

[wispy ether]

I have a post in one of these blogs going into detail about this and the missed dates we said, which were owned up to. But I truly don't know what else would make people happy when things are just as they are. People have been hired, work has been good, communication minus the estimation - which was an estimation - has been pretty clear although I mentioned in that post it could have been better in terms of that and how it was mixed up. That's pretty much the only one we missed far as I'm aware publicly, and it's the only one we gave too. Hence not giving ETAs because what does it do for anyone when it's missed because you want to do better?

[cyan quartz]

They have claimed B42 is coming out this year. The goalpost has not changed.

[crude blade]

just dont buy a game thats still being actively developed then lol?

[knotty saffron]

this has happened before and will happen again.

[cyan quartz]

Again this also relies on the idea the devs owe you, which you haven't explained

[wispy ether]

Okay?

[cyan quartz]

So you're complaining for the sake of complaining. You think the devs will do something you disagree with, and so you're spewing hate in anticipation for something that hasn't happened yet

[crisp quail]

the whole point of ea is to get people to try games .. like its weird that people will complain about AAA games releasing and not being up to their standards yet when steam releases a tool for people to try new games and give feedback people still complain about it lol

do you want good games or not ?

[knotty saffron]

yes finished product

[cyan quartz]

They could release a minor patch and call it a finished product tomorrow

[crisp quail]

you really shoudl read the early access documentation again then lol because they dont owe us that

[wispy ether]

That's not how Early Access works, sorry to say.

[cyan quartz]

Rake in profits for the rest of time, life good lives

[wispy ether]

And yes, would that be preferable to you, like Kenshi did?

[cyan quartz]

God no

[wispy ether]

Or Ready or Not, that absolute atrocity of a game.

[cyan quartz]

I can only give love to the devs for what they've created. Truly a masterpiece, unlike any other game

[wispy ether]

Kenshi may have made up for it, but when it release it was not 1.0. At all.

[sage stump]

I can only give hate and rage personally

How dare they release a game that I enjoy

[wispy ether]

Ready or Not is as good as dead to me, unfinished and releasing DLC packs already. That pissed me off rightly.

[knotty saffron]

thast how I feel about zomboid after all this time, hunting farming is ok, but is like the bottom of the barrel for improvements, if anything it will just get you found in mp.. its more for the harvest moon crowd

[sage stump]

An essential difference here is that the updates are all free

[cyan quartz]

Dude if you dislike this game so much, you have really wasted 6000 hours of your life on it

[crude blade]

mp is only one gamemode though

[sage stump]

If PZ suddenly said it's 1.0 and then released an “NPCs Pack” as DLC I'd be pissed (but this hasn't happened & we can be pretty confident it won't)

[crisp quail]

i have tried lots of other zombie games in the meanwhile playing this one on and on and there still lacks a lot of depth in most games

[crisp quail]

oh dude same here i fucking hate going to look at a new game and thers like 40 dlc lol

[sage stump]

Day 1 DLC is a scourge

[wispy ether]

I think you mean "food" instead of "found"? Sorry I'm confused by some of the sentence. 😄
That's fair, not all the updates will be for everyone, but there is tons of other stuff. I presume it's just NPCs you're waiting for, that's normally what all this comes down to.

[crisp quail]

😆

[knotty saffron]

my chickens will likely escape and give up the location of my base

[wispy ether]

Why am I typing like I'm not natively English. Like I'm trying too hard for grammer and I sound like a fucking cardboard Fahrenheit 451 character lmao

[crisp quail]

lol what the hell is freedomunit 451 cardboard character

[knotty saffron]

lol

[knotty saffron]

read a book

[crude blade]

i dont really see what the issue here is lol

[sage stump]

News discussion channel (early access rant channel)

[crisp quail]

no way lol

please no lol thats for steam forums

[sage stump]

When it comes to discord they usually happen here lol

[knotty saffron]

steam forums can be book like

[cyan quartz]

Actually it's quite a specific book that'll let them understand. Any book won't do, only really one

[crude blade]

i cant believe the steam forums are made up of like real people and not bots

do all the insane people just use steam forums for some reason

lmao

[crisp quail]

lmao , to be fair they keep it non toxic and theres some decent folks in there that wont use the discord so i hang out there lol

thats also after blocking like 90% of the people lol

[wispy ether]

@strange steppe You're being blocked because of "gratis". Remove that, you'll be good. 😄 We had a flood of spammers with adobe

[sage stump]

Perhaps if we ask nicely they will cease development and bugfixes and release it... It's genius

[cyan quartz]

Prisoners across the globe are all given access to only Reddit, 4Chan and Steam Forums to contact the outside world

[crude blade]

ive only ever checked any steam forum like 3 times in the last few years but its always a toxic shithole whenever i look lol

[strange steppe]

Lol thank you😂

[wispy ether]

Though I think we're past the discussion a bit now, sorry only saw it a second ago lol

[strange steppe]

Yeah..

[cyan quartz]

Fair enough lol

[strange steppe]

I will not opened it again 😂

[crude blade]

this guy has my take lol

[cyan quartz]

I actually have the unpopular opinion that, I'm not personally looking forward to NPC's much

[crisp quail]

its usually only really bad after new blogs lol , but theres some cute people that post their deaths n stuff that makes up for it

[visual haven]

I for one love TIGS and the hard work they have put in since 2011, been such a fun ride ❤️

[crude blade]

yeah i only ever see steam forums after new releases so thats probably why

[cyan quartz]

I really love the game as it is, the atmosphere of being totally alone is amazing. And the fact you gain nothing without risking your own life is cool to me

[sage stump]

I'm the #1 hater of the indie game store. Every banned Steam forum user is actually one of my sock accounts

[cyan quartz]

Just interested to see other people's opinions on that.

[visual haven]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-hand-controlling-gif-17554100

Puppet master!

[strange steppe]

Well I think you will be able to avoid them on sandbox options so should be only an extra feature🙂

An extra feature for what I would die 😂

[crisp quail]

yah , im like 50/50 id much rather have animal npcs over human , im still bitter about using superb surviviors and one shooting me in the neck lol

[visual haven]

😂

[crude blade]

so true

[crisp quail]

lol so annoying

[vast nexus]

It’ll be interesting to see how exactly complex the human npcs will be.

[cyan quartz]

Of course. Love the fact they're adding them because so many people are really looking forward to NPCs. Expect them to be a sandbox feature of course

[sage stump]

I think their game is just haunted

[crisp quail]

go play build 38 then u little snarfs lol

[visual haven]

literally unplayable

[strange steppe]

The metaverse stuff that simulate story and events and personality and make it really happen only when you are there seems extremely smart to me💪

[vast nexus]

I wonder if they’ll roam around the map and form their own groups or if there will be some sort of honour system involved with them.

[strange steppe]

Yeah I'm sure you will able to disable it

[crisp quail]

its on top 100 too isnt it? top 100 steam games

[cyan quartz]

One of the great things about PZ

Everything is optional

[crisp quail]

look at them go

[visual haven]

53 yea

higher than Terraria, one of the most beloved indie games of all time

higher than skyrim even

[strange steppe]

I think not really roaming, the roaming is simulated, you don't see it so make it happen should low performance with no reasons.

But simulating rela time where they are or what they are doing make also them appear if you go where "they should be"

At least this is what I understood.

All things are simulated also if you are not interacting with them, this should max storytelling, with lowest performace cost

Here this cool guy explain it a little
https://youtu.be/BX1UkWmXLJI?si=qvVadngipB9EKG1y

[wispy ether]

I presume he might have skimmed over stuff to some extent, there's two blogs in detail about them, hang on

[strange steppe]

Yeah he think he resume it

[wispy ether]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/04/lone-survivor/
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/03/the-zuckerverse/

[crisp quail]

thats so cool also pretty awesome terraria is still up there after so many years i hope pz is like that once it comes out of ea

[wispy ether]

Not sure which is which - one is the technical working
The other is the more surface level stuff

[strange steppe]

Thanks for it 👍

[knotty saffron]

but brother even in single player, this game is lacking a lot of details that could increase the playability. most of the player base is really into highly detailed modded maps with lots of functionality. Unfortunately Polish humor does not translate well to some, as the game suggests this is how you died" as ultimately; you will die somehow even its by killing yourself in boredom after collecting 200+ saws etc.

[visual haven]

yea I love Terraria, I play it every few years with friends and we dump like 1-200 hours into it each time

[cyan quartz]

"Devs, how dare you, this game is lacking many details that could increase playability and after 6000 hours I'm starting to feel a bit bored"

[crisp quail]

well thats a whole another seperate thing though , people play with mods and some mods i find over powered interms of loot and just overall even simple car mods.. so how do you even combat boredom in a game like pz with such a huge varying playstyles

[cyan quartz]

A game that you can play literally until you die without getting bored has not been developed yet

[knotty saffron]

yeha I really enjoy hardcore experience with low level loot and almost no food respawn. but in vanilla its easy to find a bloke with 200 saws

[visual haven]

reminds me of FF14 players complaing after they eat up the content of a new expansion and Naoki Yoshida (lead dev) basically telling them to go play something else and come back when there is more lol

[knotty saffron]

zomboid is the closest thing I have seen to being a great rp simulator. like D&D Dm'ing it depends on the "dungeon master" running the server

[crisp quail]

maybe 42 will have rarer stuff since we will be able to make things

[cyan quartz]

That's terrible. How unfortunate Project Zomboid gives you that

[knotty saffron]

Im still trying t to understand pottery. I guess primitiveist build is dropping soon

[knotty saffron]

I dont understand, Rp servers have the highest player count on the mainframe. what are you espousing?

[cyan quartz]

You're complaining about the game while praising it for it's rp ability

[knotty saffron]

two things can be right

[vast nexus]

RP in b42 is gonna be awesome

[cyan quartz]

Unplayable soup, excellent roleplay ability

[knotty saffron]

the best experiences ive had are the last of us mods with a team of cannibals killing people on the main roads lol

less firearms more mele with those people De-sync is still and issue tho, oh yeah De-syncing add that to the list

[cyan quartz]

Problem with your server

Probably

[knotty saffron]

yes

[vast nexus]

The only time I’ve have had desync is in servers that try run 300+ mods untested for compatibility

[visual haven]

my favourite experience was playing on a hardcore x16 rapid respawn pve server, every few weeks the server admin would launch a new settlement that all the dead people could start again (but none of the settlements ever got close to being able to connect to each other)

[crisp quail]

same i havent had much other than riding in a car with someone from the other side of the world lol

[visual haven]

really pushed us to work together

[knotty saffron]

Pz earned a large quanta of its player base after the release of b41 with the introduction of multiplayer. they should get something in their stocking this holiday season

[visual haven]

going to point out it had MP before B41

[knotty saffron]

tis pz life

[knotty saffron]

thanks for the correction

[visual haven]

has had MP since 2014

[knotty saffron]

cant do anything with concrete bags in vanilla thats a bummer. I do know you can stack sandbags..

laying down prone or crawling may/should be in update?

[vast nexus]

I don’t think they’ve ever mentioned crawling or prone. It’s a mod tho

[knotty saffron]

hard to believe louisville was only added in 2021 with improved combat.. how times changed

[vast nexus]

And it’s also getting some revamps for b42 like other towns.

[crisp quail]

you dont think people would abuse that?

people abuse tvs lol

[knotty saffron]

if the bullet ballistics were overhaulled then you too could duck or hide behind something , pop out and shoot

you should be able to use objects more for cover.

[crisp quail]

for killing zombers?

[knotty saffron]

zombies aren't the problem, people are the problem. I am the solution

[wary stirrup]

Aww dang, I thought today was the last thursday of this month...

[crisp quail]

tricker treat!

trick or treat? lol

[tight magnet]

ignorant lol

[native wagon]

Thursdoid this month should feature a video of the PZ character trick or treating and getting killed by a zombie

[crisp quail]

lol heres your treat

[native wagon]

zombies maul the player to death

spawn in certain months for festive decorations to spawn on houses

fireworks would be interesting to have in PZ and perhaps some distractions to lure zombies away

[knotty saffron]

thats just a list of the supposed features that devs have stacked over the past couple of years. I doubt ill see even half in b42

[tight magnet]

like during the first round of unstable you won’t see?

and ur ignorant bc u listed a tiny list of what’s coming, not only that but even with the examples you listed you acted like small list = fast release when in reality what u listed each is a major update on its own that takes months, and thinking if it’s in a mod already then it’s the same as it being an actual update

[knotty saffron]

i failed to mention basements improved voice acting etc. most of it already exists in mods. you say im ignorant , but you are gulible my friend if you think even half of whats been promised will even be functional at the end of the year. Some of us have been through this many times

[vast nexus]

A complete crafting overhaul is also missing from that list

[knotty saffron]

eh, yes there were some crafting missing in vanilla, like I said alot of this stuff has been and still resides in mods.

[vast nexus]

They are completely overhauling crafting. It’s not like they are just adding a couple missing recipes.

[tight magnet]

fluids, animations, modular electronics, husbandry, hundreds of QOL, thousands of bug fixes, so much more lol

[knotty saffron]

lol devs have already began to move goalposts in the last thusdoid saying that many things they have been working on wont make it. It will be interesting to see what does and does not

[inland mica]

very exciting changes for vanilla purists such as myself

[tight magnet]

you seem to think that all they did was add more recipes to the system we have

[crisp quail]

a lot of those mods dont really fit the style of pz in my eyes , theyre either overpowered have some sort of workaround for making things simpilier and last i checked half the stuff they are adding no mods do what they do .. like theres no crafting mod , theres no tent overhaul mod, no lighting mod, no animal mod like yes there may be mods but tis does what they do in their own style which fits the game and makes it more indepth

[knotty saffron]

loo at my posts I did not say that. they can promise the moon, but at the end of the day they have already waivered the speculation is out there after so many letdowns

[tight magnet]

mod ≠ update

[crisp quail]

yeah like i started using a lot of mods when i first played the game and i can tell you over time just for what i like in pz and prolonging my games i like vanilla .. i dont even use vehicle mods anymore because of the trunk capacity is just too much for me.

[crisp quail]

are you excited for anything?

npcs dont count

outside of that

[knotty saffron]

anything that delivers and makes the game better

[tight magnet]

semis will forever stay. looks so nice

[crisp quail]

can you be more specific , i would think with 6k hours you wuodl have some idea of what you would want to see in pz that would make it a game YOU personally enjoy better

im really hoping the new crafting skills will make me want to actually learn new skills.. usually i just do carpentry and thats barely lol

[knotty saffron]

I mentioned several times that I want varius potholes fixed.

[tight magnet]

and what didn’t they fix?

bc seems like ur jumping to conclusions

you don’t know what they don’t fix

[knotty saffron]

look at my post history

[crisp quail]

cant you just explain lol

[tight magnet]

i ain’t reading allat just give 1 example

[crisp quail]

just name a couple things

[knotty saffron]

I just explained it 2 hours ago for those who walked into the room.

[cyan quartz]

You gave like three minor things

[tight magnet]

ur saying like a feature that needs to be worked on?

[cyan quartz]

Including the fact you played on a server that was laggy

[crisp quail]

im honestly curious from people who play the game for thousands of hours what they want to see in the game , outside of npcs and development speeds.. what is it that you would like to see

[crude blade]

zombies are arguably too smart in b41 lol

[tight magnet]

funny enough i only have a bit over 100 hours in pz

[crude blade]

they'll walk all the way around fences just to get to something on the other side even if its just a random spot they decided to walk to

[tight magnet]

i think they said with the new fences they’ll starting trying to move through them now?

[crisp quail]

youll get there lol

[crude blade]

yeah

[knotty saffron]

the game is bland. the textures are stale. there are too many tiems that do nothing or are dead ends inventory filler. game is glitchy at times. sound isnt dynamic imo

[crude blade]

zombie congalines around rosewood are finally going away

[cyan quartz]

"The game is bland" dude you've spent 6000 hours on it

[knotty saffron]

mods have filled in a lot of these inconsistancies. playing vanilla can be tourture

[crisp quail]

yeah im so confused lol

[tight magnet]

😭

[knotty saffron]

yup a conisour indeed

how much junk food have you eaten in your lifetime mate?

[crude blade]

what does the textures are stale mean lol

[tight magnet]

are you saying the game is now bland or it’s always been bland for you?

[crisp quail]

i dont know i love the graphics it reminds me of old 90s games and if you really look at it its pretty

[inland mica]

if it’s MP, they’ve already mentioned in a Thursdoid or two that they’re working on desync issues, making zombie path-finding smoother, more anti-cheat settings, better Discord integration, and other QoL features. Maybe with the optimization of the game/engine, there’ll be even more servers with 32+ players. That’s just the off the top of my head so there’s probably more

[tight magnet]

i wouldn’t say pretty

[crisp quail]

sure there could be some fixin ups

[knotty saffron]

its just too repetitive town to town. its the 90's but it doesnt feel that way

[cyan quartz]

Does to me

[crisp quail]

UH HUH look at the purse

[knotty saffron]

they have mentioned many things but alas... two more weeks

[crude blade]

the only part of the visuals that i hate is the fucking hiking bag texture

i hate finding a hiking bag because im forced to look at that thing until i find a military one

[crisp quail]

lol what about the void duffle bag that erally dark one

i always lose it in my inventory

[crude blade]

i wish there was a way to remove the void black colour value from the game lmao

i hate finding a clothing item that has it

[crisp quail]

lol

[tight magnet]

i don’t care about new graphics besides what they surprise us with, i mainly care about the UI and not making it tedious to do simple tasks with all the menus

for example PLEASEEEE MORE RADIAL MENU OPTIONS

[knotty saffron]

yeah it just gets bland sometimes crates filled with green and red hiking bags of look, a mil-bag ill add it to my other 50

[knotty saffron]

nice I agree

[vast nexus]

I forgot about the new moodles too

[crisp quail]

[inland mica]

okay, fair. They indeed mentioned lots of things but 2024 ain’t over yet. We are so close to getting the update

[knotty saffron]

eh thats a garnish people over hyped for it

[crisp quail]

lol i love those

[crude blade]

idk backpacks are something that idk if you can really improve

they just give storage space so its kind of hard to add more options there

[crisp quail]

also cereal says sunballs thnx

[fiery socket]

There is an elevator in the one story section so...

[crude blade]

its just a straight line of progression

i wouldnt call the new moodles over hyped lol ive seen like nothing but people lose their minds over them

[cyan quartz]

By your standards feeling a speck of happiness in anticipation of B42 is overhype

[tight magnet]

i also want them to make late game better NOT by adding more things for you to do on your own. I need uncontrollable events that you’re forced to overcome

[knotty saffron]

Wildfire players be like that tho

[crude blade]

wildfire?

[inland mica]

yeah, many people weren’t the biggest fan of the panic and zombified moodles when they showcased them months back iirc

[knotty saffron]

yes helicopter or plane crashes , mebe a forest fire

[knotty saffron]

it is/was a hardcore vanilla server

[tight magnet]

and pls make bases actually feasible 😭 zombies are always just dead around you by the time it’s build

can’t wait for bandits

[tight magnet]

Random chance ovens being on around the map!

since there’s food in ovens sometimes it should also be on

so you can get to an area and it’s just burned down

[crisp quail]

yea imagine going to some place and it burned down , people would be mad like the tp houses lmao

[tight magnet]

don’t know how pz handles things outside the render tho

[crisp quail]

yah i dunno either , like i dont know how that would even work for fire event thingie

also would it lag people if ti was like random areas around the map or anything?

if chickens burn do they get turned into cooked chicken

[crude blade]

fire just pauses when the cell isnt loaded and then resumes when you revisit

[tight magnet]

well i’m sure it works just as it does already if u leave ur oven on in the game

[crisp quail]

ohh interestingly

[crude blade]

i found out because i set a building on fire in my current save and then died and came back as a different character like a month later and it was still going lol

[tight magnet]

maybe when a turned on oven is outside rendered cells it can still be checked every couple of minutes for a chance to burn or not? then when the cell loads it starts burning. Instead of checking only when it’s loaded

instead of rendering the whole oven it just saves it as text

[crisp quail]

LOL

[tight magnet]

i never restart in the same world

[knotty saffron]

are devs stilla adding the 2-d to 3d sprites ot add a bit more depth to the environment? I havent heard about that in a while

[crude blade]

i dont either but i only died like 3 days in so i just kept it

[crisp quail]

can you show where you saw that? like was it from one of the blogs?

i know they redid the grass n stuff which is neat, no more string bean stick grass

[vast nexus]

I don’t recall any 2d to 3d sprites being made. I think there might be some new 3d looking tiles in the basements like electric cables and electric box.

[inland mica]

Sprites as in the soda?

[crisp quail]

"sugar sparkle"

man i used to drink the shit out of that stuff went back and tried some a couple years ago and its just syrup slice

[crude blade]

i think right after b41 stable they mentioned that making stuff like furniture and shelves 3d when interacted with was considered but thats definitely not happening now because of the new rendering stuff

[crisp quail]

make flamingos ontop of grass when it rains!

instead of being a blanket lol

[inland mica]

flavor fatigue our taste buds are exhausted of foods we’ve tried many times before

[crisp quail]

i just dont drink soda anymore i think im just not used to that sugarshart

[strange steppe]

A damn that was a cool idea

[native wagon]

pepsi in PZ

[sage stump]

Speaking of 3D

I think it would be cool if placed (3D) objects could be rotated on a second axis (that is, a second axis of rotation for placed items)

Just something I thought of now and have never brought up in the past

[nocturne arrow]

I'm really glad that some junk category items will have an use atleast

such as the toothbrush being used in a improvised shiv crafting recipe

(as shown in one of the thursdoid pictures)

[still marlin]

will b42 be changing the sheet on bigger window thing? or are they supposed to look that way

[visual haven]

If they do I am gonna make a KFC machine like in minecraft

[crisp quail]

can we throw eggs at people and zombies

[inland mica]

KFC in Kentucky

“I heard Kentucky is based on Project Zomboid”

[visual haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC76WQtm3aM

[viscid dirge]

So some hours and 260+ messages later, Imo all this discussion was flamed up by some dude ranting about the time it has taken for b42 to arrive and how he somehow deserves it, waste of time. The Unstable will still land sometime this year unless something has gone horribly wrong which I think is less likely to have happened.

[knotty saffron]

it was a mistty skyscraper screenshot, mebe back a year ago

[inland mica]

what if chickens were zombified? All it would take is a peck to get Knox

[crisp quail]

i think from playin zelda wouldnt wanna frick around and find out with chickenocalypses

[inland mica]

new You Have One Day challenge: chickens will arrive in large numbers to peck you to death. Where did you make your last stand in the old days? Better find it quick.

[crisp quail]

operation pecker

[knotty saffron]

for B42 we decided to implement a depth buffer! https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/64385-play-your-cardz-right/

they called it a depth buffer which makes the tiles look better imo

[crisp quail]

still pretty dang cool

[crude blade]

need to know what is happening with the tree in this one screenshot

[crisp quail]

even if it hurts my head lol

[crude blade]

am i crazy i do not recognise this tree sprite

[crisp quail]

right that was the first thing i noticed lol

[crude blade]

i dont even remember them looking like that in old builds?

[inland mica]

is that the head of one of the new fish? lol

[crisp quail]

lol

ya whatever was in that blog

[crude blade]

i feel like i dont really see people bring up how gamechanging the new lighting system is

[crisp quail]

ya , i cant wait to see waht it looks like in winter and during tropical storms

[crude blade]

flashlights will basically be required after the power shuts off now which is cool

my base in my current playthrough is basically pitch black outside of midday so i have to use a flashlight to even be able to organise my stuff and it made me think about it

[inland mica]

pitch black basements too

[crisp quail]

basements and otehr areas going to be creepy lol

[tiny parcel]

"Let's see what these hundreds of posts are about" "Ahhh the expected Doomsayer of the week" "Spent 6k hours of his life in a trash game, just like Doomsayer from last week, who knows, they may be twin brothers"

[crude blade]

deja vu

[crisp quail]

😆

[viscid dirge]

miaaaan I laughed and spitted on the display :))

It's amazing sometimes how the mind works, this bipolar condition in some people, enjoying something so much only to rant about how bad it is and then enjoying it some more

mostly like substance abuse but with milder, lower consequences.

[visual haven]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

Got anymore of that zomboid?

[viscid dirge]

call your local TIS dealer

I heard they

I hear they're releasing a new substance batch this year, labeled with 42 at the end

[crisp quail]

I got these cheeseboigers

[visual haven]

On a side note, take a look at this sheep

Adorable

[inland mica]

Build 42.0? Farming overhaul?

[viscid dirge]

It's more like an aphrodisiac for your inner gaming desires

due be taken into moderation

[visual haven]

I consumed too much and now I have become the boid!

[viscid dirge]

It has some side effects, after pumping it for 6000 hours you could end up here ranting about it

[visual haven]

[viscid dirge]

goes to show ya how addictive it is

[visual haven]

6000? I only accept the feedback of people who have 8760 hours (365 days) played, sorry

[viscid dirge]

his words not mien

[visual haven]

I know

Just messing around

[viscid dirge]

the audacity is disturbing to be said

[visual haven]

Seriously though

This sheep

❤️

[viscid dirge]

ain't nothing serious about that rant

oh the sheep

yis

[visual haven]

I always take people like that with a bit of 🧂

Enhances the flavour

[viscid dirge]

I remove myself when shite like that opens up, pointless and waste of time

[visual haven]

Fair

[viscid dirge]

not gonna get the unstable to the steam branch any faster or do any good to anyone around by that matter

[viscid dirge]

yeah, got MRIs to take care of, more interesting stuff there 😛

[crisp quail]

whers the chicken?!

[inland mica]

transparent background fail

[crisp quail]

Look at his friendship bracelet

[inland mica]

wish the backpack came with a few of those so I could tie their tails together and make a rat king

[crisp quail]

lol wth

like a kite ?

or a coaster , or a rug!

[inland mica]

probably should’ve put a spoiler warning

[nocturne arrow]

lol

[crisp quail]

ok but a kite

[inland mica]

squeak-tastic drawing

[native wagon]

pet rats for PZ would be cute

[inland mica]

use them as a zombie detection system. They search the home and squeak twice telling you the coast is clear then you give them some peanut butter as a treat

[native wagon]

it would be nice if zombies could get distracted by animals running around and they try to follow them

taming wild animals so they could be pets

[twilit bloom]

Yeah zeds not targeting animals would be weird for me. All depends on your preferred lore obviously.

[native wagon]

using animal corpses as meat bait to distract them

[sage stump]

I get the logic behind having zombies be attracted to animals, since they make noise & zombies are attracted to noise

But zombies aren't attracted to human corpses, so their being attracted to animal corpses would be strange to me

[inland mica]

cook massive amounts of bacon and place it in the middle of LV and let’s see if they’re attracted to it or not

[native wagon]

maybe cooking meat could attract certain carnivore and omnivore wildlife to your base.

[twilit bloom]

I feel like thats not so much a fact of PZ lore as it is something we just dont see because.. well there generally are no human corpses lying around

[inland mica]

we do see zeds feeding on corpses but rarely. Unclear if they approach the corpses or if it’s a recently deceased survivor that was chased moments before getting munched on

[native wagon]

you would think fresh animal and human corpses would be dinner to the zombies

[twilit bloom]

Fresh being the operative word

But again it depends on the actual lore in use. Do zeds desire only to transmit the virus or do they actually crave flesh

[native wagon]

its a good thing we cant use zombie guts and blood to pretend we are the undead.

[sage stump]

Fair point lore-wise, but gameplay wise the behavior can be observed with infection sandbox settings (so it would still be weird if it were distinct)

[twilit bloom]

Yeah that's always my assumption in the case of those scripted events; that this just happened. I believe thats the point of the scripted events, to try to remind you there are other people running around without actually implementing NPCs

[twilit bloom]

Tbh you shouldn't even need zombie guts unless you are close enough to smell. It kinda shits me that you can be walking along slowly, not doing anything that sets you apart from the zeds, but still aggro a zed from 20 meters away just by being seen

Like, how do these brainless walking corpses so perfectly distinguish me from their fellow zombers?

[crisp quail]

cause we dont stink! they have sniffer 5000s

sniffradar ...sniffdar

[twilit bloom]

I can definitely get behind the notion of zeds having heightened sense of smell, but that's not what their behaviour reflects

Imo getting detected should be harder than it is now, but the consequences should be more dire. When you alert one zed it should set off a stronger chain reaction.

[crisp quail]

i dunno i find them pretty dumb already even if they do see me you just run around a house and they go look for a squirrel

[twilit bloom]

Thats what i mean. Its easy to get spotted, but most of the time it barely matters

Feels off

[crisp quail]

what about the different pathfidning options? i never messed with them

[twilit bloom]

They.. dont work as expected. "Memory" as far i can tell actually determines the extent of zeds X-ray vision, and not just how long they remember where they last saw you or how long they will remember a sound they heard etc.

The only way i could achieve the pathfinding behaviour i expect from zombies was to turn memory off, but that makes them too dumb

Well not dumb, just lacking persistence

[crisp quail]

just loiters

[toxic dragon]

Just thought it's a nice touch to see the tornado valley showing up in Project Zomboid. (Brandenburg, Build 42, from previous blog posts)

[visual haven]

Maybe one day we will get dynamic weather events that include things like tornadoes

[viscid dirge]

You have them, KYR real weather mod

he is updating it with more stuff like extreme weather events

You can also tweak the weather tune it to your liking > debug command > climate controls > weather fronts & all that

[vast nexus]

I can’t remember if devs said grapple tech was going to be in unstable build but I’m excited to try it out.

[inland mica]

would be neat for our characters to get zapped with lightning and die at the top of a skyscraper

[viscid dirge]

It is, first it wasn't sure because of the WIP but it's finished for their intended purposes so first iteration of Unstable will feature GrappleTech

[gaunt hornet]

If you're talking about grapple tech regarding corpses, I don't see why not. They said it still needed some tweaking. but I imagine it will be done for unstable. Grapple tech for something like opening car doors won't be added for a while. It needs car interior to be done first.

[strange steppe]

Yes I think it will be on unstable but only for carry zombies, but it seems it have a lot of potential for others animations in future...

I think it could be very useful with animZed for modders, because it make possible syncronize two animations when two entities collide.

So I suppose it could theorically make possible that if a bear hit you, than your character is knocked down or is immobilized ecc

[vast nexus]

I think they did say animzed was planned to be released with unstable

[strange steppe]

I really hope it...

[vast nexus]

The new map expansion is going to be real nice to explore

[strange steppe]

B42 will have a great impact on modding side for three reasons:

• AnimZed and animals, theorically a a lot or animals can be created by community...
• Crafting, new items and work stations
• Basament and wilderness, now is a lot simpler add maps and point of interest liken city or underground metro ecc... Also the mountain mod should now make possible drive vehicles on higher level..

I have been really disappointed by modding community about Anomaly, I think this time I will not for B42 on PZ. I think we will get interesting things already on the first two months.

[crude blade]

i think they said by default they wont go after animals

[vast nexus]

I don’t think the vehicle ramps was a confirmed feature for b42. I think it was a concept, but I may be wrong.

[gaunt hornet]

True, it wasn't confirmed

[gaunt hornet]

B42 really lays great groundwork for modders and future updates for the team

There is so much to appreciate for what is to come with B42, you can't count it

I hope that most QOL mods become obsolete, like fuel side indicator (I think I saw it get put in B42, but not sure)

[strange steppe]

Yeah I agree

It would be necessary have some patience because all mods will become probably incompatible, some of them will be not necessary anymore ecc...

But it will bring much more...

Also will be nice see the B42 tags like for RW where you have 1.5 that make more clear what work with that build and what not.

[vast nexus]

It’s nice to see that modders can create different versions of mods. So if you want to continue making mods for b41 you can. And the workshop will display which version it’s compatible with

[strange steppe]

Yeah that 👍

[viscid dirge]

Honestly I don't see this as an option for modders, why would you still make mods for b41 when the game moves forward through 42 and beyond?

It brings back the topic from last night, why would anyone still play B41 in MP when there's 42 out there

other from that of posterity, I can't find a fair argument

[strange steppe]

Yeah it would be strange but if you take at look at Rimworld there are some players that still played 1.4 for months after 1.5 have been released, this for modding reasons.

Someone think some mod are essential for their gameplay and don't switch until these mods are update.

We are talking of a minority of people anyway.

[crude blade]

because multiplayer wont be in b42 unstable at the start

[twilit bloom]

Youd have to be pretty stubborn, surely

[strange steppe]

Yep thats another reason, some players play only multiplayer

[crude blade]

sometimes new unstable patches dont support old saves so some people stay on the older version to continue their playthrough

[twilit bloom]

In terms of modders though, in the long run itd be pretty rare to find mods still being made for 41

[crude blade]

i remember updating one of my mods to use a feature that got added in a new b41 unstable patch and then people complained because it broke the mod in the older version they wee still using

[strange steppe]

Yah that is a crucial ☝️

Now you can devlope B42 version without touch B41 integrity

I asked to chat GPT what animals we will see on B42 and it mentioned also dogs..
saying that players could meet selvatic dogs that could run away or attack the player..

Is this totally wrong right? 😄, I didn't remember Devs mentioned it.

[inland mica]

dogs were not confirmed for B42

[crude blade]

i dont think theyve mentioned any hostile animals for b42 yet

[granite karma]

Correct

[inland mica]

bulls will ram you tho

iirc

[granite karma]

\🫦

[strange steppe]

Mmm 🤔

I wonder if they have implanted some grapple tech mehcanic than, like knockdown you or charge...

[strange steppe]

Yeah, I suppose that was chat GPT thing 😂

[granite karma]

Yup

[inland mica]

don’t recall any charging, but I know a video showed them knocking you down

[granite karma]

it'll just make up stuff confidently

[inland mica]

I’ll try to find the video rq

[strange steppe]

Nice 🙂

[inland mica]

here we go: https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/02/play-your-cardz-right/

at the very end of the blog post

[strange steppe]

Thank you I will check

[viscid dirge]

again, I know this and I believe we all know this, why would anyone continue an old playthrough on a past build ? that's my point and if we are talking about a minority of people, then that's irrelevant to this discussion hence the majority will switch

[crude blade]

i mean i wouldnt but a lot of people did and will

[viscid dirge]

why ? why would anyone do this when there's a shitload of content out there ? excuse my vulgarity but either I don't understand this perspective or the discussion is wrongly phrased throughout the topic

[inland mica]

this is also made up, right?

[granite karma]

Finishing up their playthrough, and not wanting to deal with the bugs and issues that kinda have to be tolerated on an Unstable beta branch

[viscid dirge]

yeah but the Unstable is pretty much bug free when it comes to game breaking, I have played B41 beta right from the start and it was good in terms of stability don't remember any major breaks in it.
And I believe same goes for 42, since the experience in development and bug fixing has leveled up over the years 😉

maybe I was just too hyped back then and didn't care about the bugs but overall I have no recollection of serious issues with it , enjoyable and fun is what I can remember

[strange steppe]

Some YouTubers for example use game as PZ for storytelling purpose, they start a run and show that on YT to show a story, in that case they can't updgrade to B42 until the story is over because some mods will not be compatible.

[vast nexus]

Just because b41 wasn’t broken in unstable doesn’t mean b42 will be the same. Sure they have been doing testing but they won’t be able to find every single bug or crash error. That’s where player feedback comes in

[viscid dirge]

this is just wrong

over the years Im very confident that the team has accumulated more experience in this matter

and what they knew back then, is likely to be tripled today, in terms of knowledge

and game coding

[vast nexus]

I mean idk why it’s such a big deal that some people might still want to play b41 even when b42 releases.

[viscid dirge]

it's not I just don't follow the trail of logic, the arguments are not convincing and why such statements are made is baffeling to me

[vast nexus]

But why do you care if people do still play b41? You were the one who kept bringing it up

[strange steppe]

Yeah😂

Also is a small part of people that anyway will switch after some times

[viscid dirge]

Check the thread last night, too many replies, someone brought it up and I stated that I'm curious why they won't switch and then this discussion started

[vast nexus]

If someone wants to play b41 that’s up to them.
Some people might want to play with very specific mods that might not be updated for b42 or continue their saves.

[twilit bloom]

Another very short term scenario though tbf. Noone is going to stay on 41 is the point

Well

Noone sane

[vast nexus]

I mean does it really matter if some people do?

[twilit bloom]

Hell nah

[vast nexus]

Exactly my point 😂 me personally I will be playing b42 when it’s out.

[inland mica]

not everything will show up in the initial B42 unstable release. Certain content will be drip-fed in patches later on (such as archery) so one may not be inclined to play B42 unstable right away

[nocturne arrow]

The majority of whats expected is coming in B42 unstable release tho

[crude blade]

people do it though

[inland mica]

and we won’t know how long it will be between patches so one might wait it out in B41 for a bit

[nocturne arrow]

The content drop is so massive that i see zero reason why would someone not want to give it a go

Its been so long since B41

[crude blade]

actually yeah the mod thing is a big one i didnt think of

[inland mica]

fs, but I’ve seen a few posts out there that players are not interested in animals or new crafting and just want NPCs

which would be way later

[nocturne arrow]

bruh

[twilit bloom]

Thats just spoiled boy whining

[nocturne arrow]

All the new content and all they want is npcs

[twilit bloom]

Theyll try it and like it. Guarantee you'd catch em in game

[nocturne arrow]

People dont appreciate the things that are coming

[granite karma]

More experience means little, an unstable patch is still going to be broken in some ways.
Build 41's initial unstable beta had plenty of things that prevented some fun to be had, and we broke savegames a couple times.

People should generally expect all nuisances that an unstable build might provide, that's the point of the unstable beta, and shouldn't expect a bug free experience.

[crude blade]

i mean not everyone would be interested in animals or the new crafting

[granite karma]

Nah I think people can both appreciate what's coming and also wanting to wait until it's fleshed out more

Not everyone might wait for stable, but it's not unwise to continue a good run and try the beta later, either.

[inland mica]

I’m def playing as soon as B42 unstable drops to explore everything. Idt I’ll be reporting bugs since I’ll be enthralled with everything lol like “what can I craft with these set of tools?” or “at what levels can I forage the new mushrooms and what food recipes can they go in?”

[nocturne arrow]

Im talking about the people who have already put hundreds of hours into the game recently, not players who are generally taking a break from the game, in which i understand if they would wait a little longer before getting back into playing

But if you are here, starved for new official zomboid content, i think B42 has more than enough to keep you busy for a long time

The crafting has a massive overhaul, and i'd say crafting is one of the core elements, and thus important parts of the game
Animals are there but you technically dont have to do much with them save for catch a few smaller wildlife with traps to get food

The farming additions are huge too, though

[twilit bloom]

The way i see NPCs; they're a content amplifier more than they are actual content, so to me it really makes sense to throw them in last/late

[nocturne arrow]

Yes

And NPCs wont do you much good unless they're atleast somewhat smart, so it makes sense why its taking so long for them to be worked out

[inland mica]

also seen some posts out there saying something along the lines of “oh! They’re just adding what mods have already added”

and I agree that B42 will have plenty of and even more replayability than B41. I’m also sure there’ll be a good chunk of people that just won’t switch to B42 out of pride or their mods not working or whatever. I bet 99% of them will come around eventually

[nocturne arrow]

Yes

Not everyone wants to only play PZ with mods, either

B42 brings a lot of big, official changes, including some really major stuff, like the implementation of basements and actual skyscraper buildings

[twilit bloom]

Someone collate all the sneak peaks of the new crafting trees and put the modders to shame

[nocturne arrow]

Cant tell me thats not exciting even a little bit

Personally i'm excited on all fronts here, drooling for the unstable release announcement to finally come :D
lol

[inland mica]

frankly, we just need the implementation of orange raccoons to the game. Everything else is a nice-to-have

coming home to this would be an absolute joy

[gaunt hornet]

Completely agree

Makes the game feel 10 times more alive

[inland mica]

this person gets it

[gaunt hornet]

and seeing a dnd set when looting

[vast nexus]

What do people think we will see in the next dev blog?

[inland mica]

no doubt we’ll see a Halloween video. Hopefully Amz and the zombies doing the thriller dance or something

other than that, they’ve shown so much already. Hopefully a status report on archery progress or MP issues and (being optimistic here) maybe lockpicking or the fire rework teased for future patches

[crude blade]

wait did they show racoons before

ive completely forgotte

[vast nexus]

I think they did briefly

[inland mica]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/11/one-door-openz/

in the “Animals” subheading and the Thanksgiving video at the end

[inland mica]

and an appearance in the Christmas video in https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/12/zleigh-ride/

[strange steppe]

❤️

Also actual animals mods (static one or horse) aren't comparable to official one, same for basament or crafting station ecc..

Say some of B42 features are already in game as mods is a misleading affermarion, some stuff could be already present as mods, but not with the depth that B42 will bring...

[strange steppe]

Honeslty play D&d with NPC (bandits mod) would be cool 😎

[crude blade]

well the new update has new crafting but this existing mod also has new crafting... checkmate theyre basically the smae

[strange steppe]

Yes but take as example archery, previously when bow didn't exists was difficult that someone would make a mod that expand archery using that mod as dependency.

It's easier instead that modder make mod with official contents, so this still open to expand crafting furthermore with modding.

Same for the new fluid system and the fact that now we can find metal vein on wilderness ecc

This encourages modders to do more because is official

[fiery socket]

Superoutbreak of 74' reference

[wispy ether]

That one does always get me when people say "modders did it first" like, as if that same thing was in the base game there wouldn't be a hell of a mockery of the quality of it. Being first to do something is not equal to quality of doing something. Hydrocraft static animals are not comparable to B42's animals, as the first modded cars were not comparable to the vanilla cars. It's probably one of the most ridiculous takes I see, because I know for a fact that none of them would be happy with that in the base game lmao.

[toxic dragon]

It is still a neat touch.

Not a lot of games depict tornado paths like this.

[fiery socket]

True

[toxic dragon]

Or have some resemblences.

[strange steppe]

Absolutely 👍

As I said often for RW, mods inspire ufficial features that open to others mods based on it opening a positive spiral

And yes... Hydrocradt was exactly what I was thinking...

these static animas was totally immersion breaking...

[fiery socket]

I mean it is a pretty short and narrow path but i'm glad they put it in.

[viscid dirge]

As I stated in my experience with B41 there weren't any game breaking bugs, maybe I haven't encounter them , don't know about saved games, but it didn't compare to the horrible experience with Cyberpunk and Starfield and these are finished games.
Of course it had some bugs but the overall feeling was positive.
And while I don't know if it's correct analogy but in my field as long as you work and practice more, you gain more experience and later it will guide you in better handling and managing complex pathologies and situations.
I repeat, don't know if this goes the same with programming.

[crude blade]

people saying this about basements drives me insane

[viscid dirge]

I can relate to my "why aren't you switching to b42 beta" I reiterate that even if you are running a b41 intense modded run with all the MP and RP in the world, it still doesn't compare to the amount and the quality of content given to you by the game's developers themselves....sure mods make the game better but the overall quality of those fixes or contents are lacking in most of the cases, no modder can accomplish what a dedicated dev can, but I think most peoples miss this point.

developer content always or at least 90% of time should outweigh fan based content, otherwise there is a serious problem with development.

in terms of quality tbh

[viscid dirge]

Hydrocraft was nice apart from the static animals sprites, first tested it in B40, oh and flashbacks with the 2D graphics hit me ;))

[strange steppe]

Yeah, a great mod, that give a lot of replayability, crafting is important sandbox game.

I just hated the animals part but I appreciate all the others stuff.

Now we can have annals for real so I:m happy

[wispy ether]

A lot of people would say they do a better job, just because they "do it faster" (which isn't comparable and quite frankly outright stupid) but they're talking out their ass for sure

[viscid dirge]

Oh man I'm an old gamer and I've been fried more than once with triple A games

[wispy ether]

The worst purchase I ever made was Brink (2011?)

It's free now wtf

[viscid dirge]

The worst purchase was Cyberpunk and recently (last year) Starfield, both AAA games

shites

[wispy ether]

I had the benefit of refunding Cyberpunk

[viscid dirge]

I didn't have and now that you mentioned that I think it's too late to ask for a refund

I was blinded by rage at that time I guess

[wispy ether]

Absolutely terrible. Like, the game itself is so fucking bland and boring I can't believe anyone plays it thinking it was ever good to begin with.

[quiet spear]

I refunded cyberpunk and got 4 whole games with the money on a sale

best deal ever

[viscid dirge]

Should have seen Starfield

[wispy ether]

I say this after buying No Mans Sky, which I can never fully get into but I can see the actual improvement and the level of care and actual love they wanted in the game even at its broken state on release. That's something I don't regret.

[viscid dirge]

at launch I struggled with 30 FPS in Akila City and I'm running a RTX 3090ti 😛

[quiet spear]

the refund took so long to proccess I just kept playing

got 100h into it, then the money came in

basically played for free

[viscid dirge]

No man's Sky, another shite

it took 10 years or more to get the game at a good playable level

with almost early huge updates from the devs

and it was a finished game at launch

and people are complaining about Project Zomboid ;))))) ohh the irony, the sweet cruel irony ;))

[wispy ether]

I disagree with that, even at launch I was one of the ones believing it from the first day it was genuine and got fucked over by Sony or the ambitions they had, so much I joined r/NoMansHigh because of the toxicity on the main sub lol.

I do think that Sean is a genuine guy, and just a kid at heart excited about talking about a game he dreamed of making, as anyone would be, and talked himself into giant hype that wasn't possible to deliver on

[crude blade]

its still around??

[viscid dirge]

same goes for Christ Roberts and Star Citizen

[wispy ether]

And, the idea of him ever being like "maybe I should come out and say that the game isn't good, isn't like this, lacks features" etc isn't really viable if they want to stay afloat

[wispy ether]

Doubt anyone plays it, but surprised it's free

Thought it'd be like 2 euro

You too, for the low low price of free can play with 7 others

[viscid dirge]

Jesus

[viscid dirge]

yeah but nonetheless they handled it better over the years

[wispy ether]

If you haven't seen "The engoodening of No Mans Sky", I'd recommend it for sure

[viscid dirge]

I have like almost 140 hrs of playtime but it didn't grab me

I don't know why

it just felt wrong

[crude blade]

i always forget star citizen is a thing lol

[viscid dirge]

no rational argument I guess

and this was last December, I stayed away from it since then

[viscid dirge]

will do

[viscid dirge]

more bug fixing, hopefully the Build UI

Build UI > 42 very close imo

[strange steppe]

Yeah, and the announcement of unstable release!

[viscid dirge]

another sweet dream

[viscid dirge]

maybe, you get your chance, if that feature is implemented and works ok-ish for beta

we must see or hear more of it before the unstable drops, if that's not ready the build is mostly not ready

and why I'm saying this? because in a blog post (tidy up time) they stated that the final feature they consider is a must have for 42 is this Build UI

no more right clicks for Building

and I respect that perfectly

a very good improvement from the old ways

[strange steppe]

Yeah I'm curious too

[viscid dirge]

and for all out there that have a healthy respect for mods, I will say this the Building Menu mod does this excellently

we shall see, there is scarce info about it in last post, work continuing, nothing too much

[gaunt cloak]

Seven more days until the next Thursdoid (and my sister and I get Dragon Age: The Veilguard)

[viscid dirge]

nice

I am curious about that release

[gaunt cloak]

One really good QoL addition that BioWare have needed for a while is that, in your central hub, lights will shine in front of a companion's room if they have something to say so we don't need to check in with everyone just to make sure we don't miss anything.

[crisp quail]

lmao i remember that game -.-

"what the heck is this"

[vast nexus]

I really hope we get to see the new ui for builds. I am not a big fan of the current right clicking for build options.

[final hazel]

Not necessarily seven days, it could be literally today or tomorrow. Though its not very likely, if you look at dates when they were dropped, quite a lot of them was on 25/26 day of month

[crisp quail]

better have a trickertreat video !!

[visual haven]

Yea, I meant built in though

[red knot]

Are there any plans on integrating FGEN on zomboid?

Like nvidia frame gen or FSR 3.1

I just feel like it would be so goated to have this

Currently I use lossless scaling and it helps so much with zooming out or with insane amount of zombies in a horde

[viscid dirge]

debug command

simulate your own weather

the mod just makes this autonomous according to your settings :p

[viscid dirge]

I don't think this is relevant, like revealing the future in tarot cards imo

[tight magnet]

that doesn’t matter if the day isn’t a thursday

[vast nexus]

Wasn’t b41 unstable released on a Wednesday?

[tight magnet]

are we talking about thursdoid or the release

[crisp quail]

wasnt it in a december

[vast nexus]

Release

I can’t remember what day It dropped, I thought it was a Wednesday

[viscid dirge]

I hope you're not gonna delve into past dates and stuff like that, because it's more conspiracy, it's not relevant for our times and this release when was B41 released and so on

[vast nexus]

Whatever day it drops doesn’t bother me nor do I think it’ll be the same as what they’ve done previously. Pz mapping is keeping me busy until release

[viscid dirge]

it released in the middle of October 2019, If I recall

[crisp quail]

wat

[viscid dirge]

b41 beta

[tight magnet]

no i think in a 2021

[viscid dirge]

I repeat b41 beta

[crisp quail]

Beta release
October 16, 2019

[viscid dirge]

I was so close 😛

[vast nexus]

Yeah I think it was stable build in 2021 right?

[tight magnet]

honestly meant to reply

[tight magnet]

no i think in a 2021

[crisp quail]

yah it was stable i was tinking

[viscid dirge]

stable was in 2021 dec

[tight magnet]

what’s a beta release

[crisp quail]

unstable basicallys

[tight magnet]

like iwbums?

[crisp quail]

iwbums / unstable / beta

[tight magnet]

oh like unstable?

jk

[crisp quail]

lol i swear on a piglet

say it again

[tight magnet]

what did a piglet do to you

[crisp quail]

clearly you never played amachine for pigs

[tight magnet]

i’m worried for pigs to be enabled on your b42 account

[crisp quail]

lol pigs freak me out man

ever since i played that game

[visual haven]

debug is not really dynamic then 😛 - yea the mod is great but ultimately prefer things built into vanilla base game than mods

[strange steppe]

I was looking about the thursodid that talked about animals genetic... Do you remember the name or when it have been released?

[sage stump]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/03/milky-milky/ mentions it but it doesn't go into a ton of detail

[crisp quail]

I WASA LOOKINg

“milk quantity”, to “life expectancy”, im only going to breed the most scrappiest

[strange steppe]

Thank you!

[tight magnet]

the zuckerberg one too idk the name

nvm i lied

[strange steppe]

Reading it you have an idea about how this game go in depth about realistic simulation, that is something I love.

Also this hybriding mehcanic make animals more interesting.
If you want more milk you will search for cows that product more milk ecc

Do they mentioned if animals are attacked by zombies?
Or viceversa animals attract zombies by making noise?

Also I read:

"You will need to shut the door to the henhouse every night, and open it back up every morning, or will you risk visits from Mister Fox – and see the resulting bloodstains to boot"

I suppose the Fox work is simulated, at the moment fox are not planned for B42.

[sage stump]

I believe they've explicitly said animals won't be attacked by zombies. I'm unsure about attraction, though

[crisp quail]

i think if zombies were attracked to them and attacked we would never see them lol

attracked lol

[strange steppe]

Yeah, may be have a lot of animals could attire more zombies

[strange steppe]

Yep probably zombies don't attack animals, but may be are attracted by their noise

[crisp quail]

yah i think they said they will be attracted to the noise

[visual haven]

they are indeed

wonder how many tiles a cow's moo will be

[crude blade]

i mean i'd assume most animals are faster than zombies

[crisp quail]

but pz animals? lol

they prolly have clusmy trait

[viscid dirge]

https://youtu.be/wrTDJbaxhOI?si=ttcN1-Ul9Mc77wlz just watch this guy play b42 wilderness IRL

[inland mica]

almost 5K messages in this Thursdoid and 135K members in this server (very relevant, I know)

[crisp quail]

hes hot

[visual haven]

that's what happens when you stand by a kiln all day

nice and sweaty

[crisp quail]

ur fired lol

[visual haven]

😂

[strange steppe]

Over 5000 seems a record.

Probably this is also related to the fact that when release approach the hype rise.

[crude blade]

at least 1k of those are definitely because of people thinking the new menu art was ai 💀

[visual haven]

definitely a record

[crude blade]

this one was close

wow the messages are really low on a lot of the ones from 2022 and 2023

why are the recent ones so high

[crisp quail]

tink that is when threads started being a thing prolly

maybe people didnt know about them

[inland mica]

the complaints about B42 update wait time or content and “TIGS is a business, not your friend” type messages really boosted the message count

[inland mica]

also the hype/message count scaled real quick in these recent blog posts ever since TIGS officially mentioned that unstable would be out sometime in 2024

[sage stump]

Idk if people always used these threads as “general future discussion” threads either

Like in the beginning they may have just been used for discussion of that blog

[crisp quail]

i love the thread thingie for discussions , wouldnt have really bumped into half the people inhere if not for it

[icy orbit]

Idk, maybe bcs fucking b42 is getting closer and closer lmao ????

[sage stump]

I think it's a fair question considering we jumped from hundreds to thousands

[inland mica]

blog post with the lowest message count

there was a discussion earlier if animal noises would attract zombies and that blog post mentions:

And here’s how to coax [animals] into a trailer so you can cart them off to slaughter them somewhere distant so their loud desperate squeals won’t attract zombies.

[native wagon]

animal slaughter houses for PZ maybe find some animals that have not been killed yet

could imagine how farm lands will be valuable to loot now since they would have some abandoned livstock trying to live off every last scrap of grass and other wild plants

[inland mica]

or in cages at the Finnegan Research lab or some underground military facility. Depending on what day you get there, animals intended for experimentation could still be alive or we’ll find them recently deceased

[native wagon]

it would be nice to have some pets stores where the animals are still alive if you start of on day one