Heat of the Night

[gloomy fjord]

I know, but I don’t think it’s gonna make it

[native wagon]

It would be surprising for build 42 unstable releases in October

[crisp quail]

theres no way they would do that to us, the community would flip and like theres no literally no trust after that, regardless we will get unstable this year

[visual haven]

I wouldn't call that lying, unexpected crap happened

as is tradition with game dev

[crisp quail]

theyd get turned into sausage lol

[native wagon]

Anything could happen during game development.

[visual haven]

🌭

[crisp quail]

and they would NEVER ever hear the last of it

[native wagon]

bugs , getting source code stolen lol

[gloomy fjord]

It’s going to happen. They’ve always said never to trust their “this is when we think it’s gonna release” stuff

it’s December or in 2025

They are probably trying for a December

December is disappointing for me because it feels like a scam since, well, it’s the last month of 2024

[native wagon]

Maybe indiestone could start off with smaller features of build 42 before other major content through future patches

[gloomy fjord]

But I ain’t no dev so it might be hard for them. Which I give them the benefit of the doubt

[native wagon]

Honestly if indiestone announces a delay until 2025 it would be more logical

[gloomy fjord]

what does your undisclosed role mean btw

[native wagon]

Not sure

[visual haven]

don't forget bomb threats

[crisp quail]

wat lol

[native wagon]

Covid did affect build 41 development

[gloomy fjord]

Well, I’m afraid they are never gonna hear the end of it

[visual haven]

it was early on if I recall, post flooding, pre source stolen

[crisp quail]

they already never hear the end of things from 10 years ago lol

[native wagon]

5 years of playing build 41 was a nice run

[gloomy fjord]

Personally I don’t care. Yes it’s frustrating, I haven’t touched Zomboid in months cuz I’m hoping the update comes and I don’t want to start a new world and just realize the update comes in the next month. It ruins the fun lol

[visual haven]

just start a new run, worth it!

[native wagon]

Playing other games to tide me over for build 42

[crisp quail]

yah , why not just play the curren tbuild and make notes of what things you do and dont like for when 42 comes out you have something to compare to to give feedback

[gloomy fjord]

man I’m build 41 out. Everything they promised just seams so cool that I can’t play the current version lol

[native wagon]

Starting fresh is always good

[visual haven]

Fair enough!

I still enjoy the heck out of B41

[native wagon]

Surviving build 42 is going to be something excellent

[crisp quail]

just playing and looking at the old crunchy crusty grass is going to be excoiting

[visual haven]

As much as I want B42, I am in no rush

So many other games I can play if it takes a while

[crisp quail]

omg diablo expansion come sout next month

[native wagon]

It’s better for the developers to take their time

[sage stump]

I mean, yeah. We still aren't omniscient lmao

No telling what was AI-assisted, even if it isn't directly AI-generated. I didn't intend to imply anything, just saying it isn't obviously AI-gen. There's certainly no reason to assume that much

[sand compass]

Tbf we are getting closer and closer to the end of the year

[slate vale]

Same thing, its also sad that B42 will ruin mods

[opaque jewel]

i don't find it sad, mods will update or change

a better baseline game is better than mods working in the short term

[crisp quail]

better have my penisham returns mod updated

[inland mica]

I find it more so exciting! Some concepts from current mods will be integrated to B42 and new mods will always show up + many modders are also ready to update current mods to be compatible with B42

[twilit bloom]

^ I'm excited to taste the new vanilla

[crisp quail]

yah banilla! havent banillad in a while to be honest

[inland mica]

really looking forward to the Spiffo Jarring table that TIGS mentioned

[crisp quail]

wat lol

[inland mica]

you know, one of the new "crafting" stations they mentioned

[opaque jewel]

vanilla wont feel too vanilla for me tbh

im not personally a fan of super altered zomboid

[crisp quail]

i cant wait for freaking animals

[opaque jewel]

i usually only roll with common sense and lore-accurate stuff

[tight magnet]

the guy who made the mod worked on the b42 lock picking and pretty sure fishing. but yeah lock picking they said they want a mini game

lol

[inland mica]

can't wait for B42 fishing. Def gonna spend a few days like this

[flint adder]

I’m very excited to make a cozy little farm place after bashing in the skulls of the neighborhood 🥰

Honestly the most exciting thing about this blog for me was the string / fairy lights

[dapper sedge]

Patient worm gets the bird, or something.

[nova pelican]

It was officially delayed til next year?

[crisp quail]

Unstable comes out this year

[nova pelican]

Behind the scenes they reckon it will but anything can happen

[crisp quail]

Oh i forgot the mod creator worked on lockpick too

[azure trench]

it looks kind of Mid regardless

[toxic dragon]

It was never officially delayed, yet.

[sand compass]

Well it's a good thing you aren't the art director

[peak musk]

pulling out cork
washing dishes
dang, wasn't expecting that

[bright lichen]

The best indie games are the ones that update game like every month/2 by adding things to game, i dont like the way pz is build on, years of making something to relase big update, i preffer smaller updates, before relase small update testing with comunity one day, polish it and work on next

Pz was a grate game once, but thay cant into comunity imo

A have 0 expetations now, to many years of showing me what thay work for, idc

[sand compass]

You should run that through a spell check next time

[opaque jewel]

What do you mean it was once a great game. How is it no longer a great game?

[sand compass]

I can't believe they shut down the game 😔

[crisp quail]

Tink they reffering to update times or something

I think b42 will be worth the wait , its so large compared the older build

Wat all the stuff they dont show us?! I must explore

[sand compass]

But don't you want small insubstantial updates every two months that break mods constantly?

[crisp quail]

Hrmmmm

[flint adder]

What indie games update every month lmao

Most of the best indie games in history take lots of time for updates, PZ is no exception

[sand compass]

Some people like to speak out their behind

[desert forge]

what is heat of then night?

[crisp quail]

I can feel your touch?!

[inland mica]

likely alludes to heat of the cuppa prepared during the night since this is how B42 mornings will be like

[peak musk]

Imagine sitting and laying option still not there

[crisp quail]

i dont really mind , those can come laters for me i think im just glad we can sit on floors now lol

[sand compass]

I thought we could sit

Unless you mean on furniture

[crisp quail]

yar i think they mean like furnitures n stuff

[ivory merlin]

Need to find the furniture sitting manual

[crisp quail]

lol

[peak musk]

That's what I mean

[sand compass]

I asked that as well, sounds like it's a challenge due to the way things are set up

Like one of the directions can't be done without it looking weird

[untold hull]

когда 42 билд ?

[crisp quail]

2024 :3

[untold hull]

хм

[tidal nova]

Late to the reply party but: big kudos for voicing the correct sentiment. 👏 It's easy for people to forget how badly reality can shatter expectations because how caught up they are by hype and low patience.

[inland mica]

they talked about sitting and lying down at one point in https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/07/bagz-of-fun/:

Next up: tech upgrade. Lots of stuff going on in codeland for this – but the topline additions have been improvements to the new visibility polygon, and continued work on the tile depth addition that will remove annoying character/wall clipping and ultimately make proper addition of lying and sitting down in all four directions feasible for mainline addition. (As well as the rendering optimizations it will entail obv.)

we'll see in time

[sand compass]

Oh yeah maybe

[toxic dragon]

Probably next month, we will see this. They did say the first batch of animations are in the game, so there could be more batches along the way.

[inland mica]

finally (and hopefully) gonna sit and dine at the table with the various Spiffos I acquire

edit: I’m aware there’s a mod, but the addition of this to vanilla will be distinctive

[sand compass]

Fine jars

[crisp quail]

STOP

can we make pickled trotters though

[crisp quail]

i swear on a triscuit lol

[peak musk]

what the f

[peak crag]

Please no

[crisp quail]

😆

[dawn glade]

oh fuck yes sir!!! 👅

worst thing ive wsaid i thinkn

[visual haven]

Literally the only one I can think of is Rust. And it's always releases a broken feature and then attempt to fix said feature the next month

Rinse and repeat

[flint adder]

Yeah most of my fav indie games take months or years for updates

[visual haven]

For sure 😁

[flint adder]

That’s why I feel all the backlash for 42 feels so odd, because I haven’t seen this kind of stuff from those communities

Including Hollow Knight lmao

[terse rune]

The thing is, when you expand on a game (thousands upon thousands lines of code) it takes time

[sage stump]

I imagine they have it to some degree, skong def has some toxicity here and there between all the memeing

[flint adder]

Oh absolutely

I should have specified that it still exists

[terse rune]

It takes me roughly 1-2 months to complete a single smaller mechanic

[flint adder]

Yup I’m working on a small project right now and just figuring out the movement is taking weeks

Game dev is tricky stuff

[terse rune]

And the thing is, the more stuff you add to the game, the more stuff you will have to fix/code, it’s kinda like a puzzle game, you will have to place every feature to work with all the other features etc

[sand compass]

No instead you see people go insane for silksong

[terse rune]

At some point just making minor changes impacts the game in a big way

[flint adder]

I suppose what I’m trying to say is the anger towards the devs in particular feels out of whack

Considering they do a great job of keeping the community informed

[sage stump]

Gamers will be gamers

[flint adder]

Tru

[terse rune]

Happens with all developers, personally I just ignore those people

But that’s mainly because my game is free and I made it out of passion rather than a business

[sage stump]

I think it's a shame primarily because the toxic complaints tend to overshadow genuine, respectful criticism. The latter still happens, but it's easy to bunch together with the former when it happens at the same time

[flint adder]

What’s the game?

[flint adder]

Yes!

[terse rune]

A 2D dark fantasy game called RogueTown

[sage stump]

& then if you choose not to critique while there's an onslaught of negativity, you're thought to be a meatrider. Sucks

[flint adder]

I’ve seen legitimate criticism with good points and then they end it with “anyway I hope you fail and die”

[flint adder]

Oooh ok interesting

[sage stump]

They should format it as a formal complaint letter to really confuse the devs

[sand compass]

When the main dev leaves the discord and sub reddit to get away from these comments, it's bad

[final hazel]

I think some of the critics on this chat should try making a game themselves. Make the assets, write the code, fix the bugs, and then overhaul the entire thing.

[sand compass]

There may be legit criticism but

[terse rune]

Real criticism for PZ? Pffft

[sand compass]

I mean people need to see this game less as an early access game and more a work of art

[sage stump]

I get this point of view, but I don't think you have to understand the process of making something to critique it. You don't need to be an experienced cook to know when something tastes bad, even if you may be incorrect about why it tastes bad

[sand compass]

Like dwarf fortress

[austere pond]

Can I be critical if I'm a PZ modder?

[sand compass]

That is worked on and added to overtime time

[flint adder]

People just need to be kinder in general 💀

[sand compass]

People on the internet have become vile and hostile

[sage stump]

Saying this as someone who does know how games are made, but I think it applies more broadly—idk the first thing about art but that doesn't mean I can't have thoughts about it

[sage stump]

This is true

[terse rune]

Real criticism, the games’s 3D assets sucks in terms of optimization

[flint adder]

How so? That’s an interesting point

I thought that that wouldn’t be an issue considering how low poly it is

[terse rune]

Bunch of unconnected verts, and in lots of cases duplicated

[flint adder]

Oh interesting

[sand compass]

That is deep detail that I wouldn't know, but hope it gets fixed

[austere pond]

I've seen that too. Idk if I fucked up while importing them

[terse rune]

Common complaint from us modders lol

[flint adder]

I mean how many verts are we talking here, if there’s only like 20 additional ones I don’t see that killing performance

[terse rune]

It’s mostly harmless, but can become an issue when doing animations

I haven’t really checked, just noticed some of assets (player model, guns etc, have duplicated or unconnected verts, probably 100 or so in some cases, no big deal really

[austere pond]

The models are so low poly that it isn't much, but I've seen that happen with glasses and hats. Now imagine hundreds of zombies with those clothes

[crude blade]

ive never seen any unconnected verts lol

[austere pond]

Ski goggles have them

[terse rune]

Are you using the player model from the game’s directory or the FBX that is on discord?

Because the x format ones directly from the game have those issues

[crude blade]

fbx on discord but the other clothing ive imported hasnt had any that werent just conversion issues

[terse rune]

Yeah the FBX got those issues fixed

[crude blade]

the characters are only like 800 polys so unconnected stuff means like nothing i think

[austere pond]

Isn't it kind of irresponsible for professional devs to leave duplicated verts in a model? I'm a self taught 3d modeller I don't really know lol

[wispy sail]

nasko what is the best nabisco snack

since I assume nasko is short for nabisco

[crisp quail]

LOL

nabisko

wait is it north american biscuit co lol

[native wagon]

lol

[inland mica]

National Biscuit Company (or branded as Christie in Canada)

nasKo = National Spiffo Kompany

[crisp quail]

lol hang on

wait its named sunballz lol

[inland mica]

that's the name of the in-game cereal brand? Wow lol

[crisp quail]

nothing like a fresh bowl of balls

[inland mica]

used to munch on all the cereal I could get my hands on to increase caloric intake when I ran out of lard and never knew I was eating Sun Ballz

[crisp quail]

lol

[native wagon]

nice

would be cool to have cereals with prizes inside

[sand compass]

Oh shit yeah get a toy or something

[inland mica]

sticky hands prize/toy so we can scale skyscrapers or slap zombies

[sage stump]

Cursed puppers message #259

[fiery socket]

It isnt but i just dont think it fits pz's style

Especially the zombies

[rich sinew]

they do look like the cover art

But I generally prefer the more tongue in cheek spiffo arts

[crisp quail]

i think they look similar just skill increased

[visual haven]

13 years of arting will change your style a bit

[crisp quail]

also theres a hottiez mag i swear

[inland mica]

Spiffo 1: "they're still talking about the artwork?"

[crisp quail]

lol

WAIT

[visual haven]

ez: just update bob on a car art

[dapper sedge]

It's just the regular magazine I belive

[crisp quail]

lies!!!

actually its probably the gen mag

[dapper sedge]

Yeah normal magazine

[crisp quail]

[random thorn]

If it was ai the fingers would look all screwed up and stuff. It's not ai

also idk why but this goes insanely hard

[austere pond]

Seeing them alive kinda makes me feel bad for all the times I massacred all the zombies in that area

[random thorn]

lol

[crisp quail]

yah i love those little things so much !

[fiery socket]

that and also you can read st-peregrin in one of the boards of the hospital

[random thorn]

Yeah

[gleaming osprey]

finally a smart answer

thank god

and is your source "trust me bro"?

[frozen sphinx]

The unstable will definetly release before 2025

[inland mica]

wouldn’t take it as a promise. 2024 is still considered an estimate

[sage stump]

Considering the tweet from the beginning of this year (https://x.com/theindiestone/status/1749507888379216322) I'd personally take it as a promise unless something catastrophic were to happen

The Indie Stone (@theindiestone) on X

As people who follow our socials know, we don't like giving out long-range external ETAs; we take pride in our non-crunch work environment, where developers are freer to work to their potential without outside pressure.
However, we can say that B42 will be out this year :)

Twitter · Jan 22, 2024, 7:02 PM

& if that were to happen, it'd just be a broken promise (which would be understandable, if there were a justification, but disappointment would also be valid). I don't think they would've made this announcement if they weren't confident in it coming sometime this year, considering this was around the time of the whole "first half" debacle

[native wagon]

Almost in October and its the month to celebrate 5 years of playing build 41 lol

[sand compass]

The bitching would never end

[fiery socket]

even when b42 releases they'll move on to b43

and then their children will move to b44

and their grandchildren to b45

and so on

[twilit bloom]

Not necessarily. Certain diffusion models are getting much better at hands. However you are absolutely right that this is not AI art. The details are much too cohesive for that to be the case

[austere pond]

Y'all still discussing if the art is ai or not?

[patent void]

B41 came out on the 16th of October, B42 releasing on the same date?!?! (im blindly hoping for something that wont happen)

[inland mica]

maybe they'll surprise us tomorrow for International Raccoon Appreciation Day

[bitter hare]

I still think late october/early November, but I'm also a big fan of "this speculation doesn't do much good to anyone".

[native wagon]

assuming indiestone does not announce a delay into 2025 for build 42

[inland mica]

wasn't sure about sending this wall of text since it's an increasingly annoying and recurring topic, but here goes:

I partially agree with what you're saying and after thinking about my comment some more, I do not think it's unreasonable for one to say that I'm contradicting myself since I've also referenced that same tweet and firmly imparted to others many times that it'll come out in 2024 (hence I've been treating it like a promise).

However, I mentioned the "wouldn't take it as a promise" part to the other person as I feel that TI||G||S were considerably compelled to say "B42 out this year" to keep the peace when more and more community members were getting increasingly impatient and volatile about their "concerns" regarding B42 release date. There were even threats at one point iirc but I hope I'm recalling incorrectly. Moreover, when I see a phrase like "we don't like giving out long-range external ETAs" and then they proceed to do so, I would question as to why did they so. In other words, it's the phrasing along with the surrounding circumstances at the time that doesn't convince me that this tweet was confidently stated (hence I don't want to label it as a promise).

I'm probably just over-analyzing and I will probably sound pedantic here, but unless I see the word "promise" or "guarantee" or something (I'd still remain skeptical regardless), I'll likely still consider that tweet as an estimate or personally refrain from thinking about this for my sake as the speculation isn't indeed doing much good. This does not stem from the notion that I don't have faith in the devs or something + I know I haven't been around as long as some of y'all and I love them and their work. I suppose I just want to retain my unoptimistic expectations to diminish future disappointment, and here's me hoping they severely limit mentions of long-range estimates in the future.

[pseudo vigil]

Eh there's loads of other games to fill out the time

We are, after all, fortunate enough to be living in the middle of indie gaming revolution

[sage stump]

I don't mind the wall of text; I don't agree overall, but I get this point of view & appreciate the explanation. It's certainly healthy to treat it all as uncertain, and I do the same, so I do agree in that regard (adding clarification after the fact: uncertain because things happen, not because it was said in uncertain terms)

[sage stump]

I could've sworn I did this already here but apparently not, so: second axis of rotation for placed items 🥺

[gaunt cloak]

Aw man, apparently, Dread Dawn sucks 😦

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2093920/Dread_Dawn/

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[wispy ether]

Oh wow

I played the demo, and I really did not enjoy it personally, but I thought it'd be positive to people at least in the majority lol

[icy orbit]

Bro wtf, telegram, whatsapp numbers in the description

[wispy ether]

That's ...new

[gaunt cloak]

Yeah, that's a bit weird.

Like, it sounds like they're trying to use a WhatsApp chat group as a Discord?

[wispy ether]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/1akrfmk/psa_dread_dawn_game_is_potentially_a_bitcoin_miner/
There was also this when the demo was out, and I remember it forcing me to select discrete GPU when loading to play the game, or something along those lines
All unsubstantiated but, some shady stuff from my perspective

[gaunt cloak]

Stickied comment by a mod claims it isn't malware

[crude blade]

i knew i remembered hearing something like this a while ago

i thought i mistook it for another game because i hadnt seen anyone bring it up recently

[wispy ether]

Smh what do THOSE nerds know really

[gaunt cloak]

I mean, Nurse is playing it live on YouTube right now.

[sage stump]

This seemed strange to me whenever it was shared initially

Like, sure, try to foster community but... why on Telegram and why also on WhatsApp

[icy orbit]

Idk, aren't they chinese ?

[sage stump]

No clue, but odd nonetheless

You don't see WhatsApp links on the page for Black Myth: Wukong

[granite karma]

What a stream title

Is it an Early Access game?

Okay it isn't

Oh well. Never enough zombie games out there. Hope they can turn it around

[regal blade]

that! exactly that!

[sage stump]

Grr this wholesome positivity makes writing a hit piece so difficult

[granite karma]

They're both somewhat popular community apps, so not exactly out of the ordinary I guess

[sage stump]

I wouldn't really consider Telegram as popular for this sort of thing. I use it for one longtime friend group & that's about it, personally—the even weirder one is WhatsApp & the weirdest thing is having both

[granite karma]

Whatsapp is basically the standard texting app over here, the community feature is a bit of an afterthought tho tbf

[regal blade]

i mean its here too!

[sage stump]

Ngl I didn't even know there was a community feature lol, I just use WhatsApp for my parents

[regal blade]

But not for random strangers from the internet

[sage stump]

Exactly

[granite karma]

Well yeah, neither of them are popular for games lol

I am out of the loop on it anyhow, but I am part of two or three groups that are part of communities on Whatsapp. Actually have no concrete idea how that even works, I know that community discovery is basically non-existent, and it's all mostly geared to localized groups instead of widespread networks across countries and regions

[sage stump]

Well hopefully it works out for them as a way to communicate with their community, despite being strange

[regal blade]

A friend of mine tried to set one a community up on whatsapp but it was dreadfull, cuz there is still a limit to people in one group

[sage stump]

Strange and impractical

[regal blade]

150 people i believe and the admins dont count or can send messages in every group

[granite karma]

Oh well, she refunded it 😄

Switched to Darkwood

love that game

[granite karma]

Ah yee I remember one group hitting limitations too, they switched to a different app afterwards

[sage stump]

I remember enjoying Darkwood briefly but couldn't get into it

[regal blade]

too scary for me

[quick patrol]

I enjoyed Darkwood but didn't finish it, I did like 3 maps and there was at least another one but I didn't feel the need to continue with it, pretty great though

[sand compass]

Lmao well

Looks like zomboid doesn't have to worry about competition

[flint adder]

Nurse was going to play Dread Dawn but the game had lots of rumors of spyware and bitcoin mining and is 27 gigs for some reason

It looks like it had promise but I guess it fumbled at best and was inherently malicious at worst

I don’t understand the ‘is this new Zomboid??!?!’ clickbait titles since it’s pretty clear those games have different end goals and gameplay loops

[sand compass]

Zomboid has plans for bitcoin mining?

[flint adder]

Obv

The bad sprite performance is just a ruse so TIGS can use ur GPU to mine

[granite karma]

I don’t understand the ‘is this new Zomboid??!?!’ clickbait titles

Well they get clicks 😄

Feel bad for the games when the actual game isn't in the video title but the algo works in mysterious ways I guess.

[flint adder]

Praise be the almighty algorithm, may it be pleased

[crisp quail]

Me neither you would think people would want to play a variety of different zombie game

[wild epoch]

spiffo whatsapp

[sand compass]

Excuse me what

Is this vore

[crisp quail]

keep your friends close and your tapeworms closer

[toxic dragon]

Clickbaits and engagements are how the content creators get monetized nowadays.

[toxic dragon]

Wait, are we giving TIS new ideas for Build 43? Tapeworms in cooked animal meat doesn't sound enticing in Hardcore mode.

[crisp quail]

personal rope

[toxic dragon]

But it can be something for wild animals.

A veterinarian can diagnose for tapeworms on wild animals and farm animals.

[crude blade]

bruh how is it 27gb thats insane

[toxic dragon]

Nowadays, games exported from Unity and Unreal Engine takes 1GB if you have an empty scene.

[crude blade]

the system shock remake is only 8gb 💀

[sand compass]

Don't forget to kiss your tapeworm goodnight before bed

[crisp quail]

like a tape measure

[gloomy fjord]

It’s definitely mid or late December

They would have released a release date probably if it was so soon

did B41 have a release date?

[inland mica]

oh yeah likely. I was just kidding

still waiting on a tweet about the day today tho

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-raccoon-sniff-raccoon-sniffing-animal-sniffing-raccoon-funny-gif-10651539923294349353

[icy orbit]

We need that as an emote on the server lmao

[grizzled cloud]

do we have any confirmation of new power sources coming with build 42

[forest wraith]

I remember seeing different generator types, but nothing on wind, water, solar or steam

[languid yew]

steam would be a lot for zomboid, water i think can be plausible to some degree and solar may just be something rare in specific homes

[crisp quail]

rat power!!!

[languid yew]

the different generators i am excited for since they’re going to each have a better use for specific tasks if i’m right. correct me if this is wrong

[flint adder]

How prevalent were residential solar panels in 1993 Kentucky?

[crisp quail]

i dont even remember anyone talking about solar panels when i was a kid

only fancy thing we really had was a garbage compactor lol

[flint adder]

It would be cool if you could find some random ones in Louisville and Louisville only, to give it kind of a ‘heist’ vibe

I think that some high-end equipment and tiles you can only find in incredibly dangerous areas would be really awesome

[leaden atlas]

Hey, I wanted to ask game developers, if by chance they happen to read this, whether they are going to fix issues that I found in the source code which are giving me headache in my mod development. I don't want to give to many tech details here but in short they should boil down to adding missing "if" statements.

[tiny parcel]

We were powering digital watches and calculators with solar power back in the 90s thinking it was awesome.

[native wagon]

noice

if money is going to be a thing I wonder wallets will be functional

[crisp quail]

lmao , i was so facinated with those, covering up the solar part and the calc going to "sleep"

[tiny parcel]

We are fixing things that cause issues, and of course some things may not even need fixing anymore depending on what you're talking about, but if it is specific to mods it may have gone unnoticed. Don't worry, once B42 is out and you update your mod to be compatible it can be discussed again

[hybrid talon]

Wasnt it heavily implied that b42 is coming out sometime this year or something in another blog post

[crisp quail]

2024 yar

[hybrid talon]

rad

[crisp quail]

for unstable*

[leaden atlas]

methods triggerPlayerReaction and testDefense crash the game because even though they correctly operate on IsoGameCharacter, they assume in some places that it must be IsoPlayer. For example testDefense calls getMoodles() which IsoPlayer has, but IsoZombie (which also dervies from IsoGameCharacter) does not have. The problem does not manifest only because in the vanilla game zombies do not attack zombies. But if you trigger it, the game will crash. It looks like the code was purposefully made in a way so that it should be allowed which is great but there are few places where it gets inconsistent.

[viscid dirge]

It was, also on some reddit post mentioning something like unstable for first half and stable for the rest of the year.

[hybrid talon]

nice, im excited cause its gettin near the end of the year and reading the blogs adds some more every thursday on the progress on it

[viscid dirge]

I have mixed feelings because the reddit posts written by a particular dev have not lived up to the actual statement...

[native wagon]

would be scary if build 42 unstable beta didn't release until 2025.

the thursdoid this month is going to be a nice and have some nice halloween theme.

[viscid dirge]

After reading the blog posts, hope rises up again mainly because there are fewer and fewer things teased, meaning the update is coming.

[viscid dirge]

Yeah, big blow to the community and the devs.....Imagine the trashing that will follow...

maybe someone hears us and realizes that 19th October marks 5 years since b41 unstable released and we are still waiting :((

[nocturne oriole]

||Are we going to hear about the "physics-based aiming" any time soon? ||

[sage stump]

There's a forum where you can report bugs: https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/85-bug-reports. I usually throw stuff like this there as I find it, if I remember

[viscid dirge]

They are fixing the way gun combat behaves, taking into consideration some aspects like rain, wind, fog, etc

[grizzled goblet]

This was addressed already, first half of 2024 was not gonna happen before first half of 2024 expired. After, it became the only choice to not have strict release windows, but targeted ETA windows

[tiny parcel]

"It's ready when it's ready" doesn't really allow for picking a release date, you know?

[crisp quail]

im so confused wasnt build 41 released then so people for the next year or so were playing 41 ?

[tiny parcel]

But I don't expect to get the point across considering how many times nasko had to post about it

[crisp quail]

lol

[remote ivy]

B42 will be this month I know it

[tiny parcel]

How many times you've said that so far? I'd love to know the statistics

[viscid dirge]

B41 Unstable released in 2019 October

[sage stump]

The final b41 stable build (i.e., the current one) was released at the end of 2022, so imo it's more accurate to say the wait has been (nearly) 2 years

[crisp quail]

i dunno i consider things being added and fixed as "updates" to me

[sage stump]

It would be strange to be waiting for b42 as soon as the first b41 unstable build dropped

[crisp quail]

pizza has metal

[viscid dirge]

you are comparing stable to unstable please get back on track

[sage stump]

Okay. The last b41 unstable build was also at the end of 2022

Am I on track

[viscid dirge]

why are we talking about the last unstable of b41? are we gonna get the last unstable of b42 ?

[sage stump]

See:

[hybrid talon]

Im just hoping it comes out by end of october to end of november cause my inner crackhead zomboid player is kicking in and im itching for new content now that modders are running out of things to mod

[crisp quail]

lol

[crisp quail]

well either way how long its been its coming out 2024 to unstable so thats awesome

[viscid dirge]

Let's make it simple: I have played b41 Unstable since it's first iteration and have been playing B41 untill today.
That's 4 years and 348-349 days for me.

Math doesn't lie

[sage stump]

No one is saying math lies lol, we're just using different reference points

[twilit bloom]

But how many of those days were spent actually pining for b42?

[sage stump]

I don't personally think it's accurate to say the wait has been 5 years since b41 builds were still being released for some of those years. I did say "imo" in my message for a reason

[viscid dirge]

many

[crisp quail]

yah i take unstable as like helping with things , which a lot ofplayers do which im sure is super beneficial to them and the game

pretty cool to be apart of something like that

guess its just how you look at it or something

[sage stump]

Yeah

[viscid dirge]

I guess we can agree now that the actual time between 2 major updates is long

takes long*

[sage stump]

I suppose, but I'm not fiending for PZ updates myself

If this were a subscription-based thing then I would be upset (and would cancel said subscription), but it was a one-time purchase & the update will ultimately come and be fun, which is really all I want

Certain features are promised, but no timeframe for them ever was so 🤷 if that weren't the case I'd relate to the frustration more, maybe

(of course, all of that would be moot if there wasn't communication about progress. but there is 😄)

[viscid dirge]

The games is crack and heroine combined, it's that good, hats off for the devs and their brilliant ideas, keep it up !
The problem arises when you want more of the crack and you don't get it, it gets you hyped enough and craving for more but doesn't show up.
For most it's where the frustration starts.

[viscid dirge]

you sure ?? ;)) I like the optimism

[crisp quail]

with this community? yeah im sure lol

they would never hear the end of it

they have learned their lesson with past stuffs

[viscid dirge]

Yeah but there are always new people to lure in, some people don't care about the wait and other look the other way and are thankfull for a release.

[crisp quail]

they wouldnt do that

[tiny parcel]

I know a guy who has played for over 7k hours and he has only played B41, he's been going through a burnout phase lately. My advice is don't be that guy, you will feel better if you take breaks now instead of taking breaks later

[crisp quail]

7k hours lol

[grizzled goblet]

PZ is the only game in the world, the game that has everything in it. Stop spreading misinformation that gamers have something else to do!

[crisp quail]

lol

[sage stump]

Nearly a year of PZ

Wild

[inland mica]

[twilit bloom]

The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem

[tiny parcel]

More than most people who have played the game in older builds

[grizzled goblet]

B41 has been a ride alright, so much polishing was added that it indeed contains the most played hours for me

[crisp quail]

yah we could sit

[viscid dirge]

Been at it since first unstable of b40

but always taken into moderation

[viscid dirge]

so much has changed since it's first beta

just checking the patch notes on every update was intriguing also time consuming

[halcyon rivet]

I’m replaying Harvest Moon in preparation for B42.

It’s a wonderful… zombie life.

[viscid dirge]

but let's all be fair to ourselves and admit that mods made it even better and I'm not talking about all the QoLs, for instance there is a mod that enables a furnace to operate to some extent I think it's called Blacksmithing and it's a primitive capture of b42s earliest development.
I think the code was there to begin with.

[tiny parcel]

Funny that you mention that mod, because it is mine. That is mostly disabled features from B39, the build that added the metalworking skill.

[crisp quail]

like the put pot on head mod

[inland mica]

then become Crazy Dave

[sand compass]

Can't beleive the devs stole from a mod maker /s

[nocturne oriole]

One day he'll be right dont doubt him

[forest wraith]

So what you’re saying is, if we gather enough digital watches and wire them all together we will be able to power our bases

I will make this mod for 42

[crisp quail]

lol noice

[forest wraith]

“Solar power gives roughly 100W/m^2. Let's say the watch has 1 square cm of solar panels. That's 1/10,000th of a m^2. That gives us an upper bound of 10mW. “

So realistically this would require like 200,000 watches, but maybe we shrink that number down to 200

[native wagon]

Digital watches not running out of battery life.

any watches IRL would have batteries that will die out over time

[nova pelican]

Anyone know of a mod that gives sprinter zombies custom noises?

I play with randomised Zombies and sprinters have a 3% chance of spawning but they always get me since they sound no different to a regular zombie

[trim grove]

Gta 6 bevor project Zombies Build 42 ?

[crisp quail]

Not unless gta is coming out within the next 3 months.

[visual haven]

I do not believe you can have the base zombie sounds + custom ones at the moment, it is one or the other

[nova pelican]

Bugger, thanks for the answer though

[austere flax]

I can only really think of 1 way you could possibly pull it off but like it wouldn't really be custom sound effects, more just a sound effect it emits but like tbh idk if you can even tie a function to it though as I've never messed with the zombie code

don't quote me on that though I'm a garbage programer

[viscid dirge]

lol nice one, it works to some extent even in MP, I have tested it, added some SFX I noticed earlier.

[viscid dirge]

there is a mod for solar panels called Immersive Solar Arrays

[granite karma]

Sorry but this is hardly a fair statement at all. It's not reasonable to say aynone has been waiting 5 years.

A person who saw the beta release of B41 and immediately started waiting for B42 - of which nothing was known at the time - would have not been a reasonable person then, let alone now.

[flint adder]

I dunno man first thing I’ll do when 42 unstable drops is puff up my chest and demand 43 unstable

[crisp quail]

[pastel inlet]

just wait and don't think about it

[austere pond]

Can't wait to do the same three minutes after the initial release of B42

[viscid dirge]

We knew it was in development, early phases perhaps, but it was there.

[crisp quail]

[sand compass]

Breaking news: game being developed has things in early development even after update

[flint adder]

Truly profound

[granite karma]

That is simply not true lol but I'll leave you to it. Of course we have things in development for future builds.

But we certainly weren't teasing 42 content around the time the 41 beta hit, and not for ages after.
Not like this isn't easily proven false by going back to the blogs of that time.
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/page/2/?filter&c&y=2019#038;c&y=2019
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/?filter&c&y=2019#038;c&y=2019

Besides an animation of a deer, the animal work began full steam ahead when 41 was already close to being closed up. This was well after 41 was released in beta.

A person who saw the beta release of B41 and immediately started waiting for B42 - of which nothing was known at the time - would have not been a reasonable person then, let alone now.
That's the essence. You simply do not start counting the days until the next content update when the currently upcoming content update isn't even finished.
That's unreasonable at best, trolling at worst, unintended misrepresentation in between.

[random thorn]

😭

[visual haven]

Build 69 when

[crisp quail]

Stap lol

[visual haven]

🤣

[sand compass]

That's it, I'm going on reddit to complain about you nasko and how you should be fired for talking back to the community

Your days are numbered bucko

[onyx eagle]

when did work on build 41 end?

[visual haven]

12/12/2022 was the last patch of B41

[sand compass]

10 years ago

[crisp quail]

https://tenor.com/view/my-dead-body-hansolo-harrisonford-gif-4879957

[sand compass]

Han shot first

[short venture]

What will come out first? Gta 6 or B42?

[granite karma]

Huehuehue

Buy a console now to be ready

Otherwise you'll be waiting until 2026

[short venture]

wym?

[granite karma]

GTA6 is releasing on consoles first

It's not gonna drop on PC until a year later, most likely, like it always did

Not to even mention that it might as well be delayed from 2025 to 2026 for consoles too.

[short venture]

i'm pretty sure rockstar is going to release it when xbox midcycles are going to be out

[granite karma]

lol ok

[frozen sphinx]

buy a ps5 to play pz

[visual haven]

gotta double dip

for maximum profits

[obsidian bane]

but when will we get cars that spawn in garages

[sage stump]

Project Zomboid

[obsidian bane]

its literally unplayable when i cant find a single garage with a car inside it

[sage stump]

Clearly everyone drove their cars into their driveway in preparation for evacuation, then forgot the car there

[obsidian bane]

too busy throwing all their sledgehammers into the ohio river

[sage stump]

Exactly, how would they remember to put the car in the garage when they're doing that

[fallow dove]

not sure if it's the best place to ask, but from what we know of animal husbandry in b42, will be able to selectively breed animals? i.e. sheep can be bred to increase wool yields.. or what have you

[grizzled cloud]

That really sucks, i dont see how we can run these new machines on our current little dingy generators

[native wagon]

different generator variants perhaps some will be more reliable and have less fuel consumption compared to others

[gaunt cloak]

Maybe it'll be a launch title for the Xbox midcycle consoles

[gaunt cloak]

Huh. You know, I've never noticed until now that cars never spawn in garages. I guess that's pretty true-to-life, though. Most people just park in the driveway and use their garage for stuff like storage.

[crisp quail]

All the years i have purchased games that were xbox they always came laters never on same , wouldnt they have to fix bug n stuff then port it?

[sage stump]

Genetics for animals was discussed in https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/03/milky-milky (briefly, anyway. dunno if your particular example will be a thing)

[gaunt cloak]

Theorizing some of the variables that the different generators might have:

• different fuel capacity or fuel consumption rate
• effective range
• sound radius
• amount/type of items to repair it

[gaunt cloak]

Yeah, we're gonna have animal genetics involved. It'll all be under the hood so you're just going to have to guess based on the animal's output. But sometimes a gene will have a random negative gene attached to it in order to discourage inbreeding.

[fallow dove]

awesome, thank you both

[obsidian bane]

And now you will forever be cursed with that knowledge

[final hazel]

Imagine playing with minecraft enthusiast bro and returning to your base just to see that he turned all farm animals into inbred monstrosities

[regal blade]

OMG! even more hyped for b42 lol

[sage stump]

Plenty of other old blogs to read through if you'd like to be even more hyped 😄

[native wagon]

cross breeding cattle sepererate breeds like Holstien and Angus mix.

[bitter hare]

Don't forget the repair frequency - this type might need a lot less repairing than that type

[ashen fossil]

i made it

[glossy nova]

Hell yeah ;3 very nice piece

[sand compass]

X box already calling their next thing mid

Sounds about right

[toxic dragon]

CLONING animals, you mean?

Can't wait to start breeding for shinies.

[wanton shore]

A lot of the hate is related to the AI art use (which I will say is not the best foot forward in this case since a lot of words are gibberish, and obvious weird artifacts are all over.) Gameplay wise it's alright/decent.

Whoops, Discord did that thing where i tdoesn't update the chat history until you hit enter - so if this was covered, sorry.

Looking at the trailers/screenshots they're presenting now - looks like they went in to clean up the issues visually.

[crisp quail]

Love the style! Its great

[native wagon]

stepping in twigs and dead leaves in the woods and having some sounds of snapping and crunching.

[terse rune]

@granite karma ice cream or pizza

[crude blade]

wait it used ai? 💀

[granite karma]

Aren't those slated for 2024 or early 2025 still.

[wanton shore]

When I first tried it's demo the fallen banner of the college was a mix of letters blending into each other.

Various stuff like that was around

[tidal prism]

Hopefully we won’t have like 30 people parties in almost every apartment in Louisville after this

I want to try an apartment building scenario but every unit I spawn in has like too many zeds

[slate vale]

B43 100% after gta6

[opaque jewel]

that reminds me

there aren't any super unusable, cluttered garages

or at least not many

[twilit bloom]

Point

I bet kentucky was rife with hoarders in the 90s

[tiny parcel]

Players cover that role very well

[crisp quail]

Lol trueee

[obsidian bane]

ngl it would be cool to get a hoarder house every once in awhile

[inland mica]

besides toilet paper house, that would indeed be cool

[flint adder]

Yeah so far every family in Kentucky is extremely tidy and orderly with their homes (barring some house events), some messy homes could add a lot of immersion

[inland mica]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/10/cellar-door-doid/

LOOTED HOMES
An area of the game we need to improve is the feeling that ‘something happened here’. We have burned down houses, survivor homes and our costume zeds – but we don’t have much that says people who were panicked were once here.

As such now we will be including a random chance for homes, stores and businesses to have been looted – with items strewn over the floor, general detritus and litter, and sometimes graffiti on the walls too.

they show it off in a vid^

[flint adder]

Ah that’s true

I suppose I was thinking more of a ‘long-term’ messiness such as hoarding rather than the initial chaos

But this is still a great step

[inland mica]

perhaps could be modeled along the lines of playing on an insanely rare loot run then stumbling upon a house with abundant loot rarity + the items strewn over the floor and general detritus and litter present

furniture would have to be considerably displaced or hardly present too

[random thorn]

Thats cool as hell

[tight magnet]

b42 will have custom i think

[visual haven]

Yea https://youtube.com/watch?v=DW2VtgaKpTQ

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/09/the-good-life/

[gloomy fjord]

I feel like what’s Zomboid is missing is flipped over desks

Flipped over fridges or fallen tvs

Maybe the couch is a little crooked

Everything is so stiff

A lot of furniture aren’t 3d and you can see your player like walk in it or something it’s just sorta off

[gaunt cloak]

Regarding that, the new depth buffer should fix it.

[gaunt cloak]

The furniture is tile-based, so we can't have furniture not aligned with the grid.

[gaunt cloak]

Maybe someone could make a mod that adds alternative versions for furniture? Like flipped over versions of each piece of furniture?

Like, you'd have to make new sprites for flipping over furniture.

For every desk, chair, sofa, movable table...

[random thorn]

AW HELL NAH I'M NOT PLAYING WITH SPRINTERS ANYMORE

[native wagon]

houses in PZ look like Ikea showrooms lol

[still marlin]

holy crap

that’s terrifying sounding lol

[visual haven]

[sand compass]

That's gonna be fun when I have my joggers in game

[balmy notch]

i was curious if yall would cosider making an "unoffical offical server" where you deem a few mods to keep an eye on things but has the most player count kind like an open serve for most players and newbies without pvp

the new stuff is looking great but its hard to find full serves and people to play with all the time

[crisp quail]

i dont think they would want to moderate a bunch of people lol

[visual haven]

they have said they have no plans to do that cause it takes money out of development + moderation costs

[edgy canyon]

have you looked in #1019737819981283459 and #1019725562337579028

?

[crisp quail]

come on leon and dan lol moderate a pz server

[edgy canyon]

I don't see how having another server would be any benefit to anyone but maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying

yeah spiffo is too busy putting fish in blenders

[crisp quail]

i find just meeting people in this discord a better place since you can find people with similar playstyles rather than jumping on a server with too many different types

[crisp quail]

lol

[visual haven]

❤️

[obsidian bane]

whats the best way to get a metric shitload of gravel?

i mean like 200 tiles worth of it

[balmy notch]

That doesnt really answer my question :/

But yeah a moderator would be rad

[edgy canyon]

Can you elaborate your question at least? I'm not sure exactly what you're asking

[still marlin]

[still marlin]

look on the river, it’s probably in there with the generator mags and sledgehammers

but really you can find gravel in warehouses and stuff

[obsidian bane]

Oops this isnt general chat

[austere pond]

I hope we get to see a Havisham Hotel glowup in the next thursdoid fr

[native wagon]

seeing Rosewood with the glow up would be interesting and see what buildings will be reworked.

[austere pond]

I think Rosewood is mostly okay. The bar is kinda boring tho

[inland mica]

Rosewood is a wealthy town iirc so I imagine the school, court, police station, FD, and the small gated community will have a substantial glow-up. Hopefully that includes more houses with balconies and the shopping district having roof access + AC units too

[visual haven]

I am hoping there are more lakes and ponds close to towns (and away from towns)

Giving more options for base placements

[inland mica]

hoping for that too. Looks like Brandenburg will have some neat pond spots

[random thorn]

boat

Speaking of towns.. How many are we getting again? isn't there going to be 2

Or is it just brandenburg

[random thorn]

Just go into vc's.

[native wagon]

build 42 late game survival is going to be very nice and not feel boring when it feels like I got everything in the world.

[patent void]

its gonna be a great refresh in terms of late game survival

[native wagon]

Surviving long term without feeling bored and having not much to do other than killing zombies and looting buildings.

build 42 and using this building to have a nice ultimate base and perhaps seeing some wild animals take over buildings and use it as their homes.

maybe yet having a nice farm for those cute animals

also good that we can clean the walls in build 42 so that we can reclaim abandoned houses to make it a base.

[inland mica]

Ekron and Brandenburg. I think we’ll also get other small towns(?) like Irvington and Knob Creek

[opaque jewel]

i did a long term in this building with friends, it being abandoned made cleaning it up and remodeling really fun

[final hazel]

that building is peak for the raised walkway alone

[inland mica]

and it’s near a forest and the river so great opportunities for hunting and fishing

[spiral python]

@granite karma what do you say to your defense

[granite karma]

Didn't read the article

but

https://tenor.com/view/were-good-jerry-selbee-bryan-cranston-jerry-and-marge-go-large-were-doing-great-gif-25983160

[crisp quail]

https://tenor.com/view/agreed-gif-20367518

[visual haven]

My question is how do we move farm animals from one point on the map to another? Stuff them into the back of a car?

[inland mica]

was mentioned two years ago in https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/09/broadened-horizonz/ that:

Other things currently being worked on for B42 inclusion that we haven’t mentioned before are...Martin, meanwhile, has been working on animal transportation – namely new trailers and potential new vehicles...

don't think we've gotten further details about this tho. Maybe they'll ramp up the spawn areas or rates

[visual haven]

Yea after I posted that I remembered, but agreed I don't think we have gotten more details

[final hazel]

we will ride them into the sunset, carrying the herd with us

[inland mica]

we'll just have our animals do a conga line to reach whatever destination even if that entails many irl hours

[grizzled goblet]

Works well until even the most wilderness and farming players recall "right, we're in a zombie apocalypse"...can I just shove a pig onto a pick-up truck?

[final hazel]

maybe the game should treat truck beds similarly to large car seats instead of trunks. An entity can fit in a truck bed if it is unoccupied, or the bed can store one object that is over capacity.

especially since you can't really lower the storage capacity of a truck bed unless you totalled the entire back half of the truck irl

[inland mica]

I thought there was a video on animal loading onto trailers in one of the Thursdoids, but I cannot find it

[inland mica]

there it is: https://youtu.be/yvqykEOswc8?si=BwVRhFaf5Ra5cdFq

I hope we can put players in the trailers instead

probs reasonable to assume that they'll add cages to place offspring or smaller animals (chickens, rabbits, etc..) in the car seats/truck beds and the adult or larger animals will require trailers

[quick patrol]

https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1841924587388342696

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) on X

Studios are assembling superfan focus groups to assess various materials for a franchise project to avoid social media backlash.

“They will just tell us, ‘If you do that, fans are going to retaliate’ … If it’s early enough & the movie isn’t finished yet, we can make those kinds

Twitter · Oct 3, 2024, 7:33 PM

[grizzled goblet]

Is above post supposed to tell us that Indie Stone needs superfans to ensure the quality of the product...or that the fans commenting here are the last thing Indie Stone wants to dictate the direction of the game? 😄

Ie the post versus the comment section

[quick patrol]

I'll let you, the viewer, decide!

[final hazel]

I like this place. There is an elevator, although the building has only three floors. I hope there will be underground floors

[vast nexus]

There are tile packs that have flipped furniture.

[gaunt cloak]

Hmm. Odd that TIS decided to give a riverside town a bunch of little lakes. Like, does this town really need them?

[icy orbit]

Classic drama leech newspaper

[crisp quail]

Yes!

Riverwood best town

[frail bison]

Odds on the devs secretly adding sex into Build 42

That's why it's taking so long

And they've got this fluid system... the coincidences keep piling up

[sage stump]

The plungers are not okay

[nocturne oriole]

Disability acceso

[still marlin]

[sand compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqk_fN0NRgg

Hey heres a start, how about you dont friggen cancel a show after one season

And maybe hire writers that respect the source of material

[frail bison]

Here is my interpretation of what it could look like.
I can send my CV too if necessary

[still marlin]

[granite karma]

You need Jesus

[crisp quail]

[opaque jewel]

I hate that this might be genuine

[visual haven]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-sweet-zombie-jesus-turanga-leela-professor-hubert-j-farnsworth-the-deep-south-gif-21268870

[icy orbit]

The worst part about it, is that this is 100% modable in lmao

If we modders can make a fluid transfer menu open at any time (which is probably possible), we can make that shit lmao

Also I guess technically we can already do that

[austere pond]

There's a lot of cursed mods already, but they aren't on the workshop. Don't worry about what will happen to modding in B42 lol

[icy orbit]

I'm aware

[toxic dragon]

It never occurred to me how much I missed having a cat.

Especially when you can dress up the cat with many different costumes, and they would all look cute.

[native wagon]

zombies wearing different clothing depending on the season would be a nice touch to PZ.

as long as respawns are on to see this happen lol

zombie wearing a christmas clothing during the winter seasons.

[inland mica]

and hopefully a few houses with lingering 4th of July decorations that some forgot to take down

or more like procrastinated on taking down than forgetting

[visual haven]

My shorthaired boy gets cold in the winter so I got him a tiny hoodie this year

Seasonal zombies would be pretty neat, not gonna lie I'd love to see an out of season Santa zombie that has a ripped up costume

[inland mica]

how adorable! Looks like quite a snuggly hoodie!

[toxic dragon]

Really wanted a pet cat in Project Zomboid.

Just having a pet cat wandering around with ripped clothings worn on it.

It runs away when zombies are nearby, but comes back when it's peace and quiet.

[crisp quail]

mayor tatters

[toxic dragon]

Its purpose in the game is only to keep you less lonely.

[visual haven]

Yea I want pets in PZ as well, have a feeling those will use the behavioural tree tech from B43+ though

[visual haven]

Still trying to get him comfy with it, when I have in my hand and he around he gets very purry now though which is a good sign

[inland mica]

sounds like you have his gratitude 😄 unhappiness -99

[visual haven]

😁

[inland mica]

true story: in 2008, they elected a border collie as the pet mayor for Rabbit Hash, KY and this was the campaign poster

[crisp quail]

thats cute mayor whiskers is supposed to be based off a cat from alaska that was elected mayor too

[austere pond]

Most zombies died during the summer ☝️🤓

[sage stump]

What if my sandbox settings start in winter? Didn't consider that one huh, bet you feel real silly now. Bet you feel like a real goober

[native wagon]

zombie during the winter should have some weakness like moving slower due to the cold.

[onyx eagle]

👍

[austere pond]

Do you have any idea of how annoying it is to set up zombies outfits? Smh

[sage stump]

I have no opinion on the original request; I exist only to be a contrarian

[prime ether]

would be interesting if we got political signs i think there’s like one and it’s a attachable trailer

[dense bramble]

First 2 are Chinese Symbols on my mind 🤣 it says 5.10

[icy orbit]

Wait what

[sage stump]

They thought that image was some cryptic thing revealing [the] B42 release date before reading the blog

[icy orbit]

idk, what are those writings ?

They don't look like the spawns

[sage stump]

Part of the heat map, I believe

[icy orbit]

They look quite out of place ? Tho we see at the bottom a part looking the same way

[red niche]

Soooo excited

I love zomboid I love zomboid

[gaunt cloak]

It's the new heat map shown later in the blog, just sideways.

[gaunt cloak]

Lmao y'all seen this? https://youtu.be/WuzCX0GeMpk?si=ZfnmFVdjN3V-Z_XA

[crisp quail]

thats cool

What the corp turn into lol

Nice side dish of some red line

[obsidian bane]

id hate how big that building is

a big garage is cool. a big living space is lame

[fiery socket]

Better than living in a mall

[opaque jewel]

the key to making it work is not forcing yourself to utilize all of it

when we stayed in the abandoned factory we closed off some rooms and pathways, focusing on making the third floor the bulk of the occupied space

we put several layers of walls in the spiral staircase and openned up the elavator shaft for rope

[gaunt cloak]

I still remember making a single classroom in a school my base. Kept bringing in desks from neighboring classrooms as storage and brought the microwave from the teacher's lounge upstairs.

Hmm. That gives me a thought about NPCs.

Would NPCs be able to take furniture, like microwaves, radios, even beds and tables? Would they try to deconstruct them for materials of other methods aren't readily available?

[bitter hare]

Probably not wave 1 NPCs no

[gaunt cloak]

You're thinking just looting and crafting?

[native wagon]

I wonder if tracking animals will be a skill

[bitter hare]

I think phase 1 will mostly focus on the skeleton of the social structure

[crisp quail]

can we have doodle on the doodle pleace

priorities!!!

also the cutest thing ever

[sand compass]

the water badge from pokemon

[gaunt cloak]

Maybe TIS can host a community art contest to crowdsource some doodles that will be randomly spawned in-game.

[crisp quail]

and macaroni art

[twilit bloom]

I think that's the idea behind the looted variants of houses

Id be surprised if NPC groups were constantly and individually tracked with persistent inventories and such.

[twilit bloom]

Fr any time you set up in a multi storey building the ground floor should just be a place to fight zeds if they should breach the safehouse

[bitter hare]

I can imagine factions having itemized inventories, not sure how effective a method that would be

[toxic dragon]

It's already a skill.

[still marlin]

will there be new skill tapes like maybe new exposure survivals for the new skills

[native wagon]

Firearm skills should be combat and not a separate category

Should agriculture be survival skill?

[inland mica]

just noticed that Pat_Bren is in that image

[visual haven]

I imagine it is it's own category because it is also used in hunting animals which isn't necessarily combat

But I don't disagree

Might also be it's own category because it is separated into two separate skills

[gaunt cloak]

Separated like how melee is done? One for each weapon category?

One for pistols, one for rifles, one for shotguns, etc.?

[native wagon]

that would be logical

[visual haven]

I honestly wouldn't mind that

[native wagon]

would be nice if revolvers had speed loaders or moon clips so that we could reload them faster than the bullet by bullet slow reloading.

[visual haven]

Someone who is good with pistols and has never held a rifle would probably suck at it

Other way around as well

[native wagon]

park rangers seems to lack any firearm skill despite real life park rangers do have firearms training IRL

[gaunt cloak]

Maybe we'll have to ask Pat

[visual haven]

Gonna have a big ol' sheet a skills

[visual haven]

Take up the entire screen

[native wagon]

need faster reloading animations for revolvers if speed loaders we added.

[visual haven]

That would be neat

[still marlin]

who is pat

[native wagon]

moon clips

[visual haven]

But I feel like that would be a mod thing more than likely

[native wagon]

im guessing if bows were added to PZ we could have a new skill type archery.

[still marlin]

I want crossbow

[visual haven]

Not sure how common speed loaders or moon clips would have been in the 90s

[native wagon]

strenght skill level would be realistic for reloading cross bows and since pulling back the draw string takes muscle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedloader

speed loaders have been around since 1879 according to the wiki

realistically gun stores and perhaps police stations could have them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2B48FmLkys here is a video of a police department training video about speed loaders.

1908 was when moon clips were invented.

[gaunt cloak]

With the existing system, wouldn't that be categorized under aiming and reloading? Plus, if we keep them separate by weapon type, well, we're gonna end up with useless skills for gun weapons that have been replaced by bows and arrows in the late game. Yeah, it's unrealistic for all ranged weapons to use reloading and aiming for all weapons so interchangably, but sometimes realism must be sacrificed for gameplay, like not including pooping and peeing in vanilla.

[native wagon]

sneaking skill will have some good use other than just from hiding from zombies.

sneaking skill to hunt animals

[visual haven]

Might be able to craft our own bullets in the future, who knows

[twilit bloom]

For sure but i don't think itd be in any way relevant to the map. As in the microwave in their inventory hasnt come from anywhere in particular. Just sort of spawns as part of their inventory

Like i dont think youd ever take out a group of bandits and be like "holy shit here's that one barstool that was missing from smokeys"

[crisp quail]

Ill have you know i can remember a crack from riveraide house number 145 based on floor wood grain

[icy orbit]

that's cool

I knew about speedloaders for a while, not how they worked tho

[quick patrol]

Not me

[quick patrol]

No thanks, we don't need to see 1000 erotic Spiffos

[turbid prairie]

yes we do

[icy orbit]

lmao, you know we do

[tiny parcel]

Or Sporfos

[gaunt cloak]

Unrealistic worldbuilding smh 🙄

[crisp quail]

Lmao

Ok but 500 penishams

[toxic dragon]

Game needs some attitude.

Need something that invokes the emotions of being a delinquent.

[crisp quail]

no lol i see some of the shit people say regarding spiffo NO

we cant be trusted

lol how about puzzles , and you have to go around and collect every 500 pieces from around the map to create it

[toxic dragon]

Nooooo, I hated that game mechanic. It reminded me of GTA secret packages / gang tags

[tight magnet]

weird how cooking agriculture and animal care isn’t survival section

or even first aid

[bitter hare]

That would be so cool though.

[toxic dragon]

You can expand pretty much all of the skills in there to be "survival".

They are all just subsets of "survival skills".

[native wagon]

being able to draw or paint fancy artworks for PZ

[bitter hare]

The survival category shown is clearly more of the nomadic "this generates new resources for me" kind of survival. Everything else consumes resources

Although I suspect that screenshot isn't intended to be the final categories

[native wagon]

its alawys good to have renewable sources

[tight magnet]

i’d argue trapping consumes a trap for meat and fishing consumes bait for fish just as much as farming consumes seeds for food. so idk how agriculture is different

same with animal care

i don’t really care i’m just wondering why they never thought of it as survival

[gaunt cloak]

I think it's more like wilderness survival

[twilit bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-to-do-list-long-list-gif-5580267

[bitter hare]

Farming and animal rearing aren't very nomadic

[fallow dove]

uh, animal rearing can be very much nomadic lol

you'd have a hard time finding nomadic societies that don't rear animals

[bitter hare]

Shh, words fail me, I mean the modern concept of it

[twilit bloom]

Fr there's gotta be a better way to present it. So many boxes to count 😅

[tight magnet]

fallout skills

[twilit bloom]

True there was nothing really wrong with the pre fallout 4 skill ui

Ill take actual numerics over a checkbox chart any day

[gaunt cloak]

Still, though, farming, animal care and first aid are FAR from "crafting" skills

[twilit bloom]

Without the presence of more medical skills to warrant a whole medical category, Id call first aid a survival skill too

[toxic dragon]

It is better than a tech tree leveling system.

At least, everything is right in front of you.

[twilit bloom]

Absolutely. The fallout 4 perk screen is a noisy offensive mess to me

[inland mica]

wonder if trapping will also grant some fraction of tracking XP since both skills have some overlap. Same with carpentry giving some carving XP or metalworking giving some welding XP

[slate vale]

Skyrim

https://tenor.com/view/обезьяна-monkey-обезьянасчерепом-обезьянаичереп-gif-23995795

[toxic dragon]

If it did, the Project Zomboid wiki will reflect that.

Right now, we don't have a single clue if it does.

I wished devs would spoil us with details, so we can be messed around with.

[gaunt cloak]

Building stuff with wood ≠ carving stuff with wood

Building stuff out of metal ≠ welding things together

Locating animals ≠ letting animals come to you

At best, some constructions and craftings will grant both

[bitter hare]

I mean, there are already actions in the game that give XP in multiple skills

[toxic dragon]

Yes, but we don't really have clues on what actions can give multiple skills in B42. There could be hidden gameplay balance changes that changed up how the skills are given XPs.

Like, trapping and fishing can dish out XPs if we do things differently in B42.

We need a deep dive into the game to see them.

[opaque jewel]

I don’t think we really need it asap

I don’t want to optimize the game day 1

[mighty bison]

Yeah tbh I’d prefer it if the players found things out themselves. Like obviously give us an overview so we know what’s intended and what’s not, but player feedback as they’re figuring things out is crucial imo

[crisp quail]

[flint adder]

The anti-Ubisoft approach

[wanton shore]

What about weird Spiffos?

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Chuckleberry-Finn/chuckImages/refs/heads/main/spiffoDrakeYes.png

There's more where this came from, anyone just say the word.

[granite karma]

Bird

[sage stump]

Evidently, bird is not the word

[nocturne oriole]

The word

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[crisp quail]

oh i get it now

[visual haven]

MOAR

❤️

[inland mica]

Boris seems quite badgered from comments of his fluffing skills

[native wagon]

pet spiffo in PZ

[twilit bloom]

I mean.. there has to be a rare orange raccoon spawn one day right? Otherwise why are we even playing

[inland mica]

exactly

might have to construct a shrine just for an orange raccoon to spawn in

[crisp quail]

lol nice

i didnt send my halloween thingie made did i

that i apparently lost

[inland mica]

lovely work of art

should be up for display at the Art Gallery of Louisville

[crisp quail]

lol

[random thorn]

😭

[visual haven]

I like that the penisham has horns

[inland mica]

horny penisham

[icy orbit]

yo that's amazing, first time I saw a pixelart in the game

[gaunt cloak]

nasKo new pfp is absolutely pumpin

[icy orbit]

True

[remote ivy]

Clearly it’s a sign that b42 is this month

[quick patrol]

It's a sign it's spooky season

[forest wraith]

Halloween -> spooky
Zombies -> spooky
Halloween -> last Thursday of this month
Indie stone -> likes last Thursdays of the month

[inland mica]

The Infected Stone

[patent void]

B41 beta released October 16th 2019. Build 42 following the same suit?!?! (No this isn't serious take your time devs)

[austere pond]

Guys it's all connected. It's spooky season. And what is the most spooky thing ever? All of our mods dying. They will release B42 on October to kill all of our mods and make spooky season even more spooky let's gooooooooooo

[terse rune]

The cryptic message in their last post said October 31st

So let's see

[native wagon]

next week is the 5th anniversary of build 41 lol

build 43 wont happen for the next 5 years lol

[crisp quail]

STOP

[native wagon]

you violated the law

[toxic dragon]

FBI OPEN UP!

knocks down door

[viscid dirge]

October 2019 my good sir

[patent void]

Ahh yes thank you kind sir

[viscid dirge]

b41 unstable

[viscid dirge]

what cryptic message>

[native wagon]

October thursdoid is going to be a nice theme

I hope we get some nice Halloween theme

[viscid dirge]

yeah, while that needed correcting, tis' sad cause it's been 5 years between betas.

[viscid dirge]

Yeah I know the blog post

[native wagon]

illuminati confirmed.

[viscid dirge]

just didn't get the crypted message

highlight it or encircle it

[native wagon]

GTA community every time a new GTA online update arrives and people claim they see GTA 6 in the number of items or the "VI"

[viscid dirge]

that's hallucination at it's best

[viscid dirge]

?

[viscid dirge]

sorry man I just don't see it

[crisp quail]

[inland mica]

lol

[sage stump]

Most sane b42 speculator

[visual haven]

I speculate that B42 is coming... at some point

[native wagon]

maybe late October or some time in November if we are lucky that there wont be delayed into 2025

[inland mica]

like some have mentioned before, mayhaps B42 was the friends we made along the way. In my case, I have befriended 42 individuals in this server by now therefore I have successfully conquered B42

[crisp quail]

hi42friends

[quick patrol]

Do you also think clouds are sending you messages when you look up

[inland mica]

the messages likely just go over our heads

[crisp quail]

Haha caus eup high

[terse rune]

I’m just joking

[viscid dirge]

best speculation

[glass sandal]

At least one

[granite karma]

We'll tune his joke detection algorithm accordingly

[terse rune]

The numbers are right, the stars are aligned, I can tell that release date is near

[wanton shore]

Next release is exclusive on Neuralink confirmed

[native wagon]

halloween themed video about PZ and some trick or treating

[peak crag]

New candy would be shown

[native wagon]

candy corn

[inland mica]

Spiffo gummies

[native wagon]

lollipops

packs of soda in PZ would be better than individual cans

[crisp quail]

nuh uh!! it should be a rare treat!

[native wagon]

candy apples

[inland mica]

we get lollipops from opening up the candy packages

[native wagon]

we need more packaged items to be able to loot in bulks

[inland mica]

chocolate-covered Brussel sprouts as a "trick" and it makes our characters queasy

[native wagon]

having more festive themed items for PZ does add a nice touch to the game.

[gaunt cloak]

Candy telecorn

[tight magnet]

whyd i get a dream that unstable confirmed for december 2025

[crisp quail]

2-24*

err lol

[toxic dragon]

Hmmm, does the game allow real-world in-game advertisements from other sponsors?

It would make sense to have realistic ads scattered across the towns.

[opaque jewel]

no, that's a problem with copyright

[toxic dragon]

Like how GTA 5 does it online.

Yeah, that's why I mentioned if ads can be added in from "sponsors" or those who paid for ad spaces.

Inviting sponsors to help fund the game and give them ad space in-game is a nice marketing strategy.

Food for thought?

[opaque jewel]

i'd be surprised if any real company wanted to be represented in a game like zomboid

and i feel like it would be really distracting considering how much of the game's in game products would otherwise not be namebrand

[toxic dragon]

How distracting can it really get though?

[opaque jewel]

as distracting as a bright red COCA COLA vending machine in nondescript scenery

[toxic dragon]

At the end of the day, it's only in flyers, ad space on store fronts, and newspapers?

hmms

[opaque jewel]

it seems intuitive as a way to make the american culture feel more 'culture-correct' so to speak, but the big problem is that these companies are going to want more than to just have their names in a couple of readable flyers

and competing companies will be extremely unlikely to be represented at the same time

going back to coca cola, if we were to get coca cola vending machines and such, i guarantee pepsi would not make an appearance, which is what would make it so distracting

[toxic dragon]

I could see companies competing with each other.

But I guess that would also depend on how much it is being charged for ad spaces.

[opaque jewel]

the only environment where competing brands sponsor games is in racing games

[toxic dragon]

Those are the environments where ad spaces are worth in the upper $20K.

But in Project Zomboid, something like $50 to $1000 is enough.

But I'm just smack-talking out of my butt

[opaque jewel]

these seem like random numbers

[toxic dragon]

Yeah, I'm not really someone who knows how marketing and advertisement works.

But if devs do consider this, maybe it's an avenue that can be explored?

For real-world immersion, of course.

[opaque jewel]

i don't think it's necessary, tbh

zomboid is immersive in its environment, but it already does a good job of creating fictional IPs that still feel familiar and believable

[toxic dragon]

true

[opaque jewel]

If, somewhere down the road, there was another zombie game that eclipsed even Zomboid's scope and immersion, THAT would be a game I could see real world brands showing up

like, next-next-next gen type stuff

[gaunt cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNdYlLUjoe8

[toxic dragon]

I have completely forgotten the movie. I should probably rewatch it at some point.

[inland mica]

rather than real-world in-game advertisements, there should be more PZ advertisements irl

[crisp quail]

fresh rat milk

and sunballz

[inland mica]

can't forget the respective slogans ofc

and more PZ references in other media too because why not?

[crisp quail]

yes

[visual haven]

I'd definitely prefer real-world brands stay out of my PZ

We get force fed enough advertising as is in real life and online

[native wagon]

parody of real life brands is the way to go and it helps future proof a game from delisting.

Fictional cars are also good to avoid getting delisting as well and has more benefits

[inland mica]

from what I can discern, looks like we'll get a variant of Butterfinger, Crunch, KitKat, and Snickerz

[crisp quail]

Is that a cake pop?!

Tiny umbrella for my beaver

More jacques!!

[potent ginkgo]

i already see myself hostin a server at build 42 poppin up

[viscid dirge]

no mp, maybe next year

[gaunt cloak]

No MP update on unstable release, my guy

[terse rune]

Bober!

[gaunt cloak]

Still though, three weeks until the next Thursdoid, and I'm still confident for a November unstable release

[random thorn]

why does it keep putting me in the thread 😡

[crisp quail]

Tink you can hit unfollow

[random thorn]

Really? i never knew you could do that

thank you!

[crisp quail]

yar up at the top

[random thorn]

i got it

[visual haven]

Always be threading

[patent void]

Me too man, me too

[rich sinew]

oh it's actually really nice

thats cool

[icy orbit]

My man forgot the main one

Only 957 to go

[crisp quail]

https://tenor.com/view/regalt-homelander-disgusted-the-boys-go-away-gif-26199297

MOMMMMMM

[inland mica]

[quaint finch]

oh thats interesting,
emmm
brb in 5 /j

[strange nymph]

yo

[light night]

Nah, they got zombified around july, and i want them to be frozen like popsicles so i have a yummy treat during the ingame winter

Zomboid popsicles, mmmmmmmmm

Would they be called zopsicles or popzoids

[sage stump]

Popsicle is ultimately from lollipop and icicle, so I guess it depends on which of those is more important to represent in the blend

Alternatively, from a non-linguistic perspective: popzicle

[quaint finch]

zopzicle

would you rather fight 5 popsicle sized zombies or 1 zombie sized popsicle (the popsicle is infected)

[flint adder]

Will splitscreen be available with 42 unstable single player, or is that tied to multiplayer?

[sage stump]

Not a game dev, but I imagine that'll be fine since splitscreen doesn't require networking

Would be surprised if it's excluded

[quick patrol]

Still involves lots of technical stuff involving wires and such I imagine though

[crisp quail]

can we has aliens ference

[grizzled goblet]

late pregnant zeds that have their now zombified babies be chestbursters?

[crisp quail]

lol

a poster or a vhs or or

[grizzled goblet]

probably safer option for sanity