Heat of the Night

[still marlin]

that’s amazing lol

[crisp quail]

but they gave us spiffo plushies

[still marlin]

indie game store

[visual haven]

I still want a spiffo

[inland mica]

TIGS should ship Spiffo plushies to all PZ players for International Raccoon Appreciation Day on October 1st

[sage stump]

Someone said something like this months ago but I'm echoing it to say I hope an “indie game store” easter egg makes it into the game

[crisp quail]

can we have frirendshipbracelet made from everyone in tis , out of their hair

[austere pond]

They added a penis ham van to the game. Everything is possible

[sage stump]

This is true 🙏

[wraith pine]

The new zombie distribution got me so hyped

Just gotta wait few more years come on

[crisp quail]

ok but what about them vans!!

[wraith pine]

What about them

[crisp quail]

do you guys like them

dont use that tone ill cry lol

[wraith pine]

Peak hilarity

[crisp quail]

lol

[patent void]

Nah the new car looks got me hyped

More variety is much appreciated

[tiny parcel]

Don't forget that TIGS' CEO is Lenny

People mention him often around here evenif it is a completely unrelated company

[still marlin]

Are we getting any new car types

like aside from decals

[crisp quail]

linny?!

[red knot]

What does the depth changes mean exactly? I just recently dropped a mod on the workshop that overhaul a giant portion of the ingame textures

Just curious if that affects it somehow

[visual haven]

😂

[magic rapids]

Oh man, can't wait for all the B42 changes, especially in regards to crafting and optimization as well as mod support!
Keep it up Indie Stone, yer doin great!

[acoustic ember]

lenny ma boah

[tiny parcel]

There is a longer explanation from a few months ago, with a video. Basically tiles have a depth texture that tells the game how they should behave in a 3d environment

[somber canyon]

muldraugh might not be Shitdraugh in b42 lets goo

[red knot]

Similar to what parallax do in some games with 2d textures? Like what some skyrim mods do

Or im trippin?

[magic rapids]

Yeah, these population distribution changes look interesting.

[somber canyon]

the highway in muld wont be a death trap anymore hopefully :)

[acoustic ember]

midraugh

[wild epoch]

future chaddraugh

[magic rapids]

Wonder where the deathtrap areas moved to 🤔

I mean, the zombies didn't just disappear did they

Looks like certain stretches of the highway and the area with a bunch of wrecks to the north will be horde central now

[somber canyon]

:D

[red knot]

Id be down to watch the video too if u have the link so its easier than explaining

[glass sandal]

would be cool if zombies could be loud sometimes and attract more zombies there thus making these zones very rarely in some building

[prime nymph]

i think the game almost have that, the horde group settings on sandbox mode

[magic rapids]

...Oh, man. The secret mil base near rosewood could become even more of a challenge :P

Especially if it gains a basement...

[inland mica]

Spiffo Filcher might be referring to the Tim Things video from https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/09/sky-high/ and the explanation from https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/02/play-your-cardz-right/

[tiny parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ETJCMQzZTA&t=8s

Explanation here: https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/09/sky-high/

[glass sandal]

but it dont fully tho no

[red knot]

Thank uu

[tiny parcel]

Beat me to it, much older than I thought

[crisp quail]

lol

[red knot]

Hire me soulfichrr nunca pedi nd

Obggg

[crisp quail]

i picture ur hamster in your pfp saying that lol

[red knot]

Thats exactly what my personality looks like

I know im carefull

Even made the supla moment

Of mixed br/en

[prime nymph]

i sent the wrong mensage sorry

[wild epoch]

brazil mentioned

[cyan quartz]

They should let googly eyes be potential loot. That and some glue and you can turn any item into a new friend!

[tidal nova]

2019 was last year... 2019 was last year...!!!! chugs the copium koolaid

[crisp quail]

i forgot about covid lol

cant believe we went through the great tp wars

[inland mica]

no need to apologize. Sometimes messages get lost in the threads. About your question, I'm no dev and I don't 100% understand what you're asking but I believe it's a mix of both(?). iirc previous Thursdoids mentioned they'd be found posted in the environment which you can click to interact with and view with the new UI, and newspapers to the corresponding in-game would appear as the days went by

[prime nymph]

on the blog they demonstrated a poster for an agricultural event, my doubt is that this event will always exist in the same location or will it be like the annotated maps, which depending on the generation may exist in another predefined building in the city

[inland mica]

ah. I think the posters more so lead to a guaranteed and static place of interest/great loot potential rather than being an "event" (considering that Farming & Rural Supply will only have two locations - Fallas Lake and Irvington as mentioned), but the poster itself will probs be like the annotated maps in that it can be generated in some loot table anywhere on the map. At least that's how I interpret it

[tidal nova]

unpopular opinion: i personally wouldn't mind if the devs just said "fuck it" and walked back on their statement from earlier this year and went without a vague deadline indefinitely. until, suddenly, BOOM: "unstable released, have fun collectively mutilating yourselves on the sandbox children."

[cosmic lark]

They're less events, and more just lootable objects, they point to specific locations and are found as generic loot, kinda like magazines. That's my interp of what I've seen in blog posts

I'm kind of excited for the posters and newspapers to start being a thing because it makes onboarding new players way easier and also would help me since I can never remember where anything is

[cosmic lark]

Also the flyer they show on the blog is just advertising for the store, which is a fixed POI

[prime nymph]

ok, thank you very much guys

[cosmic lark]

Actually I'm pretty sure all the stores are fixed POI's

Annotated map events are in line with what happens after the apocalypse

Most random generation is suggestive of what's happening after the apocalypse for that matter

Actually that's probably a lie don't quote me

[prime nymph]

I thought about the same stores in the game being in different cities, so the event could randomly happen in one of those and the poster would only change the city in which the event would be located.

but what you said makes sense

[cosmic lark]

Yeah I hope the newspapers can hint at some of the procedural generation but mainly they're there to advertise fixed POI's to new players as well as offer some world building

Printed word is a powerful tool and I'm glad to see zomboid leverage that some more

[crisp quail]

must collect all the knicknacks !!

[tidal nova]

yes!! collect all the shiny new knicknacks!!!

[final hazel]

the new heatmap looks awesome. it reminds me of the highway scene from the walking dead.

[inland mica]

gonna hoard all the posters in a MP server and players will have to farm or fish for me if they want a peek at them posters

[magic rapids]

Would make sense for zombies to pile up more in pileups, tbh

[quiet spear]

colossal L take wow

[magic rapids]

That's gonna be interesting to see. Hordes mixed in with the wrecks :P

[tidal nova]

you monster

😂

[quiet spear]

its called years of experience? idk why every single art piece nowdays gets called "ai"

give it the benefit of the doubt at least

[prime nymph]

maybe they can get the posters when they collect and fish

[crisp quail]

there perfect lol

[magic rapids]

Pulling a laminated poster out of the water as it floats by...

Honestly, I know it's a bit too forward-thinking but hoping for B43 to do more with rivers/ponds/lakes.

[quiet spear]

build 43 is such an alien thought in my head, I never stopped to think what I could possibly want or expect of it

[crisp quail]

same lol

[eternal sand]

I hope one of the rare vehicles is an ice cream van, it HAS to play the shitty jingle as an option

[quiet spear]

how many builds do you guys think before the game is finally considered complete? 50? 55?

1.0 release

[crisp quail]

after npcs n stuff

then what will we do lol

[sage stump]

Build 100 will be space travel

[crisp quail]

ooo yah lol

[quiet spear]

finally play the game

after two thousand hours of playtime, finally I can begin my first playthough!

[prime nymph]

to me that don't matter because the impportant is have zomboid good

[crisp quail]

yah not 2000 dlc after the game comes out of things that should be added from get go lol

[magic rapids]

Not really looking forward to human NPCs, love the lonely vibes the game has now too much tbh

[inland mica]

I’m pretty sure it is AI since the individual who made it is Awesome and the art is Impressive given all the thought that went into the small details and variety of colors

[crisp quail]

lol

[red knot]

maybe it has ai, but honestly it`s getting as common as photobash once was for entertainment industry

or even the new more efficient photobash

speeeecially for non stylized and realistic stuff, but honestly prefered the more stylized touch of the old art

[crisp quail]

i dunno i think it shows growth

[red knot]

It`s def a more exprienced piece

i just like stylized stuff more, personal art taste

[final hazel]

In previous thursdoid they mentioned cave system. I wonder if it would be a huge thing like a showcased bunker, or just a lil mud-themed basements somewhere in a forest

[red knot]

The nut room soon in b42

[crisp quail]

the underground nut tree room

[final hazel]

Nuh, I just want to be a caveman savage

[inland mica]

reminds me of that one guy who wants to hunt mammoths in PZ

haven't heard from him in a while

[crisp quail]

lmfao

we need cowplant from sims

[vast wind]

Pz's version of a cow plant: https://c.tenor.com/VpbSHsXiuBsAAAAC/tenor.gif

[crisp quail]

LOL

audrey lol

i didn tlike dentists after that movie

[stable dove]

Can't wait for a night time drive and a deer ruins my front bumper on my vehicle

[gusty kite]

I hope theres some way to see further while driving in b42 with all the performance changes. sucks when your screen doesnt see enough of the world to slow down for a crashed car that would easily be in the characters vision

[gaunt cloak]

Halloween 👻👻👻👻👻

[flint adder]

There’s an option in setting to have the camera pan towards where you are driving

[twilit bloom]

Damn, the movement of the vision cone/headlights looks particularly nasty in the twiggys clip

[wraith pine]

Was I right that they're adding Irvington too

[topaz crystal]

came home from work and im so happy to read the devblog and see progress but man guys dont you get tired always saying no release date ??? I swear everyone one of you whinning babys will shut up as soon as it will be out. You guys sound like children who cant wait to unpack there christmas gifts one day eariler. Pls indi stone team dont mind them they cant sit tight and wait for the love of god. I get it you guys want it now but remember indi stone made always sure that we get something worth the wait so just wait.

build 42 will make this game so much better and im playing other games while waiting for it. So stop crying and do something else and this is coming from a person who is dying from curiosity how build 42 will look like.

[inland mica]

yeah, pretty sure that's right

it's mentioned in the poster within the blog

[wraith pine]

Bro's fighting with ghosts

[visual haven]

They probably are tired of having to say no release date for sure. Honestly people like that will always find something to complain about sadly, it's in their nature.

[digital sand]

nah they've been here tonight, whinging

[topaz crystal]

sad but true

[topaz crystal]

no with babys

[wraith pine]

Their frustration is justifiable but I don't think it's something to bother with so much. People don't really care as much as others label them

[topaz crystal]

if i just looking at the list of all things we get im preaty excited about build 42

[crisp quail]

honestly ill tell you just like i said to people on steam forums lol , youre going to see it regardless of what people say , only thing you can do is just block or ignore it. I no life the community so i see it A LOT and yea it can be annoying

but i think its awesome seeing the rest of the cool coomunity here , glad i found you little guys

[inland mica]

the best part is when someone complains about an upcoming feature or the absence of an exact release date when they don't even play PZ or can't type out The Indie Stone properly

[crisp quail]

lol

the snickersnack stone

[topaz crystal]

sus stone hehehee

anyway was nice seeing progress from indie stone team. Maybe we will get around november or december. I wouldnt mind to get it as a christmas gift as long as its polished

[visual haven]

❤️ And we are glad you are here!

[sand compass]

It won't be as polished as you think it'll be

[crisp quail]

think of it like a polished tumbled stone grit level 3

[sand compass]

That's why it'll be an alpha or whatever they release prebuilds

[wraith pine]

No I am the alpha

🐺🐺

[final hazel]

The new wood building designs are a neat detail. It might separate what's on the map from all the disassemble-able objects the player can build.

[topaz crystal]

i think people would be even more frustrated if indie stone would say yeah we will release build 42 in october only to delay multiple times. Its better they say nothing and dont rush them like other developers

[topaz crystal]

my expections are only on the things i have seen and nothing more so i think its modest

[crisp quail]

yeah that is what a lot of people dont understand that you can have a set path but shit like life happens and you cant predict things or somethin lol

like look at the cool vans and stuff that were getting instead gosh

[topaz crystal]

i agree thats why im happy they take there time and tell us when they really ready instat of fumbling the bag

[crisp quail]

and and the new grass that i keep forgetting about

[topaz crystal]

true the look nice. the mushrom van was funny like a hippi van

[crisp quail]

hell yah lol was not expecting anything like that , the art is sick

[topaz crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFNDUyAMZtk

remember guys we get a lot

[crisp quail]

cannot wait to loose stuff and get bit in the grass

[topaz crystal]

at this scale it not an update anymore its an expansion

[crisp quail]

honestly lol its huge , lv looks tiny incomparison

[inland mica]

[topaz crystal]

it might not be big but cleaning and stuff is so nice. I will be house flipper in project zomboid this will be fun

[crude blade]

mod manager only in nice is crazy

[crisp quail]

the new animations are awesome , the little sock sewing one is so cute haha

[topaz crystal]

sss tier

[sand compass]

Nobody tell him about bows

[crisp quail]

ALSO what ... i abuse fences soooo freaking bad , that deserves to be up ontop

[eternal sand]

Tell me about bows, what's going on with them

[crisp quail]

arent they being added laters or something

[final hazel]

I do hope there is an option to choose between the upscaled moodles and just a resized version of the pixel art moodles

[gusty kite]

I dont think that changes it from the maximum you can pan without the option does it?

[final hazel]

though if there isn't, there will probably be a community mod for it regardless

[topaz crystal]

👍🏽

[sand compass]

Delayed

[sand compass]

Been confirmed they are being replaced

[crisp quail]

someone will have a mod for the old ones im sure

[gusty kite]

agreed

especially in certain towns like march ridge

[crisp quail]

i can kill like 10 zombies or more abusing fences lol

[final hazel]

will probably involve converting new moodles with custom pixel art if any more are added. That could be a fun project

[gusty kite]

well the best part about them is hugging the wall and forcing the zombies to go single file, while also being able to jump whenever you need and be immune if the fence is long enough (since their path finding breaks)

wonder if itll apply to the tall wood fences as well

[crisp quail]

yah see ! a little activity

[final hazel]

and I would like to make more 32x32 item/graphic icons with aseprite

[eternal sand]

Large fences and similar structures are a bit too good once you learn to abuse them though

[crisp quail]

yah and then if you time it just right and hit them when theyre half way over it stops them from lunging lol

[crisp quail]

yeah i went and lived up by the lv checkpoint on the last mp i played and it was really op , made a base inbetween the fences and was 100% safe there

[gusty kite]

i wonder if the meta way to enter louisville will be via the fenced off area away from the bridge now

[inland mica]

Bowyery meanwhile (which clearly will require far more animation, tech, combat and design work) will be at the back of the queue, and is most likely to appear in a later version.

from https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/06/the-biomic-man/

[eternal sand]

Makes sense to me

[gusty kite]

just need to yell alot and bring the zombies to break down some fences from the inside and you dont have to drive all the way around LV

[eternal sand]

Fully renewable ranged combat seems hard to make rewarding without becoming almost immediately overcentralized

[crisp quail]

oh no lmao

[eternal sand]

Might be harder to do on safer areas because of the heatmap changes mentioned in this thursdroid, but damn that's an idea

[toxic dragon]

Question about heatmaps:

Are they auto-generated, or this is a manual process to make changes and tweak them based on where it would make sense at?

[visual haven]

manual process, at least in B41 tools

could be different with the B42 tools

[toxic dragon]

Ok, that would explain things.

[visual haven]

yup yup

[toxic dragon]

Which also makes sense. Glowups need their heatmaps changed.

[visual haven]

totally

[inland mica]

can't wait for the new Project Map to drop. It'll probably be months from now or something

[gusty kite]

i hope its automated like the changes to foraging zones. Its the only way to make a consistent zombie distribution without human biases, and it should also make the world feel a bit more lively in the places it should and less lively where it shouldnt

[bitter hare]

What happened is a decreased amount of wrinkles in the fabric and significantly smaller faces

[visual haven]

On that note I read that comment and forgot to reply, pretty sure that was Mash that did the original Bob on Car picture, and Nasko said it was the same artist so... that means it is 13 years between the two images being created - bound to have slight artistic changes in that span of time

[wild epoch]

great artist btw

[visual haven]

💯 ❤️

[inland mica]

Bob on Bleach

[surreal rain]

https://tenor.com/view/are-we-there-yet-gif-5676799

[flint adder]

Seems like it's still hand drawn in the new blog haha

[frozen sphinx]

when is this update getting finished 😭

blease

[bitter hare]

It can have tools that give them more flexibility while also being draw by hand. Hell, maybe they did a quick "computer, run a heat map based on X" and manually adjusted from there - quite reasonable given they said hot zones would include csr crashes

[inland mica]

check back on December 31st

[frozen sphinx]

yay

a date that's all i need

[inland vine]

They have no official date yet. Just a hopefully before the years end, bugs willing

[inland mica]

^only official estimate is that it'll come out in 2024

[austere pond]

Another thursdoid without a random Z in the title... The end is near 😔

[flint adder]

Computer, enhance

You know if there are people still asking for a date just tell them December 31st so they’ll shut up

[crisp quail]

then in december we can cut a tree down and decorate it and then open our build 42 present ingame and celebrate

[brave dagger]

@granite karma I understand not wanting to piss off the modders by updating more often with smaller updates but, in my honest opinion it's slowly killing your player base off. Ive been on PZ since before vehicles (can't remember the exact build) but from what I've seen in my time running a server is the slow decline in player base from lack of updates. I don't understand why you guys aren't utilizing your unstable branch to show stuff off and keep player retention, I mean you must have your reasons but still. I'll still be around when it's inevitably launched I'm just putting my perspective out there, when B42 released there was a huge wave of new players had you guys of rode that wave with smaller updates it probably would of had better player retention but then again I'm not in your shoes. See ya around buddio (non of this is negative I'm just putting my POV out there)

[amber smelt]

I wouldn't ping the devs

[brave dagger]

Meh nasko knows me

If man was gonna ban me it would of been a while ago and not over a ping 😂😅

[crisp quail]

Its been 25 to 30k players nearly every month

[brave dagger]

Compared to what it was when B41 launched that's nothing

And correction it's been a decline from 25 to 30k when B41 launched

It has not kept 25 steady

[inland mica]

I believe you mean B41. B42 is the upcoming update that has not been released yet

[wanton shore]

til the game isn't updated often to not piss off modders

[amber smelt]

Alright fair enough lol

[brave dagger]

Chuck himself will bring down the fire of the gods 😂😅

[wanton shore]

I'm just trying to defend modders- don't make us the scapegoat

[dull wagon]

Modders and modding shouldnt be made a priority

[wanton shore]

See what you've done

[brave dagger]

You know what fair enough that isn't a good reason to stop smaller updates my apologies good sir

I TAKE IT BACK 😂

[wanton shore]

Also ironic cause modders are usually getting lambasted for updating too often

[brave dagger]

We all just riding this dying horse into the desert waiting for unstable B42

[wanton shore]

I can only paraphrase what the devs have said previously - they don't do smaller updates cause it just isn't feasible given they're working on large scale reworks - in order for smaller updates to be possible they'd need to have parallel branches basically - and then merge all the work at the end - which creates exponentially more work.

[crisp quail]

Dont you remember when the community filetd the devs for smaller updates and breaking mods

Lol they were ruthless

[wanton shore]

The cynical side of me also accepts that a big flashy new update also means more sales - which is how they pay the bills.

[wanton shore]

Last 'small update' was before MP was ready- where they disabled the MP code - to release all the dammed up fixes, wasn't it?

[wild epoch]

bro thinks he gonna save the game

[crisp quail]

no during build 41 when they were doing hotfixes and the community reamed them new chocolate starfishes over it cause it broke mods and players had to wait for server owners to update their mods

[wanton shore]

Probably the same folks that yell at modders for fixing bugs

[inland mica]

I really liked the video they made last year: https://youtu.be/zA7260FI9rM?si=0eCt1FWB1vTu49do

[crisp quail]

ya lol

[flint adder]

Exactly

[wanton shore]

Everyone should just ignore all 12 of those guys

[flint adder]

Some people don't understand development and will complain about everything

I need to stress this: other games exist

[wild epoch]

the worst part is the complaining will not help at all

[flint adder]

It only hurts

[wanton shore]

Their style of complaining is usually just being angry at nothing

[crisp quail]

yah i dont get it , so many other cool games that came out this year to try , or why not get involved more in the community someway

[wild epoch]

i just wanted to say i liked this blog and take your time because yall cooking 👍

[wanton shore]

I'm glad they clarified the liquids/recipes stuff

I was concerned we'd be straddling the old recipes and new fluids system

[crisp quail]

can we stick spiffo plushies in it to squeeze out spiffos sparkles

[inland mica]

https://tenor.com/view/driving-raccoon-gif-20612548

new threat: raccoons raid your safehouse for plushies

[crisp quail]

and snacks lol

[brave dagger]

Nah I'm just having a discussion like the whole purpose of this thread

[ivory merlin]

The horde around the freeway traffic jam is so walking dead coded I love it

[wild epoch]

negatively

[brave dagger]

Yeah lmao I ain't that guy I'm just speaking what I'm seeing on my end

[ivory merlin]

[brave dagger]

It ain't negative at all I'm just saying what I'm seeing on my end, I could care less when it comes out

[wild epoch]

kind weird but ok

i respect your opinion 👍

[crisp quail]

i didnt see anything negative about it just voicing their concerns in a logical manner , bound to happen in a ea game , regardless if we agree or not should be okay to do that heres :3

[wild epoch]

with the heat map that means the crossing road from muldragh to rosewood will have zombies now?

yeah but he just pinged the guy

he can show his concerns here i know that but why ping the dev just to see his comment about slow updates

[toxic dragon]

And the dev already acknowledged the slow update process.

But that's how it is. The update is too big to rush to the end. Gotta take it slow.

[crisp quail]

[random thorn]

Ok so i'm a little stupid right now. running off from atleast 5 hours of sleep. Is this heatmap like more realistic zombie spawns?

or just more zombies..

[crisp quail]

right lol i asked earlier i dont get it

[random thorn]

seems cool though.

[wild epoch]

more like where the zombies should be at the start of the game i think

[crisp quail]

does that mean they wont spawn in clusters on roads anymore

like when we drive and spawn on us

[random thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609

I hope so

[wild epoch]

when theres more zombies on the road than the city itself

[random thorn]

TRUE 😭

[crisp quail]

rofl i remember running out of riverside and a group spawned on my dumbself

[random thorn]

Whenever i'm in muldragh theres like no zombies in the suburbs. They're all clustered on the road

[crisp quail]

oh yeah that one road

[final hazel]

I finally won't have to question why a random rest stop on the far side of the map has the entire population of rosewood crowded around one gas station

[crisp quail]

THAT ONE ROAD BY MULDRAG lol let me find it

like i dont even bother going that way lol , i will absolutely go the long way

[tiny parcel]

Hey, don't bash my Dixie, it is perfect in every aspect so that I can visit it 3 times a year!

[crisp quail]

LOL

im so bashing it with a wooden mallet

[inland mica]

yeah, that sounds about right. From what I understand, seems like they want to cluster the zombies more so around POIs so that'll probably make driving on roads and traversing forests a little safer

Now, a criticism of the current zombie spawn is that it isn’t realistic. We veer away from the feeling of a classic zombie movie slightly because zombies aren’t always in realistic places. Zombies are all over the roads, in random fields and basically… a long way from where they probably died.

With 42’s current (experimental) zombie heat map we are trying to address this a little. The map is more intricate, and we hope feels more real.

Now if you see zombies, it means there are houses, businesses and lootable locations nearby. Zombies also appear in groups more than before, and spawn less on the road – unless there are parked cars or traffic jams.

[crisp quail]

yay places i wouldnt go to i will go to now lol

[visual haven]

Wonder how that will feel with x16 pops

Probably a lot less to kill

[crisp quail]

16x population 1000 radius sound thingie lol

[tiny parcel]

Not my territory but as a player I always felt we had less zombies indoors since B41

[visual haven]

True

[tiny parcel]

I miss the days of surprise bathroom zombies constantly ending runs

[wild epoch]

the old door check

[crisp quail]

lmao i almosted died to one of those a few weeks ago , enver ran so fast down the stairs

[trail socket]

Its like they are just now starting to work on the game every day instead of only once every 2 weeks lol /s

[inland mica]

[crisp quail]

how is steam forums getting in here, go back to the steam forums lol

[visual haven]

Wut

[crisp quail]

where lol

[visual haven]

💯

[crisp quail]

again where lol

where

[visual haven]

That's a lot of heat

Where is that from? Steamdb?

[crisp quail]

yah

[inland mica]

kinda late lol but I remember dying to 7 or so zombies in the bathroom all wearing party hats in a few runs when I first started playing like "what y'all doing in the bathroom?" lol

[trail socket]

I dk what that is, never seen anything like that before

[toxic dragon]

Not going to lie, I hated that. So. Much.

[toxic dragon]

More realistic zombie spawns.

No more zombies spawning inside inaccessible areas, like between walls, behind stairs, etc.

[crisp quail]

lol yah its so funny when those happen i love the cluster room zombies

like ill even sometimes wait and see if i can hear more than one zombie hitting a door and still get fricked when opening it

[trail socket]

I have never seen anything like that before. Care to explain what it is I'm looking at please?

[crisp quail]

its their build updates theyre uploading to the steam database

[trail socket]

Like the messages we get every month? or something developers can do behind the scenes?

[toxic dragon]

The total number of build updates pushed to Steam every day of that month.

[crisp quail]

yah that its , i dont know how to explain it lol

[toxic dragon]

They are using the test branch build. There is a closed private beta going on right now.

[visual haven]

Compare it to something that doesn't get a whole lot of work done in it

[trail socket]

woah woah wait, so they have to put these little updates onto steam, and then when finalized they push everything out to the public?

[visual haven]

Yes

[toxic dragon]

Yes

[trail socket]

ooooh I didnt know this, very cool

[visual haven]

Internal builds

[trail socket]

Thats cool

[inland mica]

https://youtu.be/SA07-HXY528?si=PjneurCdFy9GVJ81

[crisp quail]

yah like any fixes n shtuff

[trail socket]

I was trying to be funny earlier because I see a lot of people with the "update when" and I was just trying to be funny lol But I'm glad I did because I just learned something today. So thank you

[crisp quail]

oh lol , i cannot read sarcasm over text im so bad , MY BAD LITTLE ZARA

[crisp quail]

waht the hell is even this lol

[trail socket]

I edited it with a /s so it was clear

😅

[crisp quail]

i obviously cannot read cause i dont even remember that lmao , ill go back to kinderclass

[trail socket]

I usually do different fonts to show when im being sarcastic, but I dont know hwo to do that on PC

Thank you for the info! Good night/day

[crisp quail]

take care of yourself and stay stancky

[visual haven]

Snacky

[inland mica]

no idea

[visual haven]

🤤

Now I want snacks but I am cooking dinner while chatting 😋

[inland mica]

perhaps some cherry pie for dessert?

[marble sandal]

the new backgrounds look pretty cool

[granite karma]

I appreciate your concern but we do not need to grow every month.

I can't exactly entertain the idea of dangerously dwindling player numbers when we're basically always in the top 100 games played on Steam.

The game is doing very well. Multiplayer interest is great and we love MP ourselves, but there is always an ebb and flow between updates of any game. We're gonna be fine by doing what's right, and we're right on track.

[marble sandal]

people think the game is dying??

[lusty flame]

Yeah it’s very easy for some people to trick themselves into thinking so, and that it’s a larger deal than it really is

[flint adder]

People always say games are dying when they arent

It really doesnt mean anything

[granite karma]

Probably not, they were just voicing a concern. It's worth to be aware of

[karmic merlin]

GUYS THE GAME IS DYING!!

[flint adder]

There is still plenty of interest in the game, and random peopl ive talked to irl know the game and enjoy it

[granite karma]

That isn't what they said, guys

Their main sentiment was to utilize Unstable more, and we're definitely looking in that direction already but it has to be feasable to do so. People underestimate how broken betas can be every since big budget games are selling "beta" access before big launches with preorders or the like

[visual haven]

My feedback: You all are doing great keep up the amazing work 😘

[brave dagger]

Appreciate you hearing me out and not taking offence to it, I'm just voicing what I'm seeing from my end on public MP.

[native wagon]

I wonder if a Louisville police department livery police cars will be added to PZ.

[brave dagger]

Agreed there, it would just be nice to see the progress first hand regardless of how broken it is

[visual haven]

I do miss the days where alpha and beta literally meant that. You play a beta of a WoW expansion? Back in the day 90% of it was broken

[granite karma]

I wish that was possible, but broken betas have been quite costly in the industry

[flint adder]

I must say that playing a broken version of zomboid would be frustrating with permadeath, especially with how this update focuses on the long haul

[native wagon]

I dont want to see build 42 released in a broken state

[flint adder]

I dont think that idea is compatible

[brave dagger]

Yeah I get it people can't read they go "games broken 1 star" because they can't read it's a unstable beta, not to mention the endless bitching about the same bugs that happens with this

[granite karma]

A lot more eyes on "beta access" these days than 10 and 20 years ago, because betas got injected with CAPITALISM

[crisp quail]

lol me playing some game and falling through the map and dying

[flint adder]

We must go to space to escape it

[native wagon]

microtransactions lol

[crisp quail]

with 500 dlc lol

[visual haven]

Haha constantly!

[flint adder]

When will we get Project Zomboid Plus Remastered Remake+ (no stand included)

[karmic merlin]

They should add gambling to PZ ngl.

[visual haven]

Yea it just isn't feasible these days cause once you release something and it is broken there is a mass exodus

[tiny parcel]

Good, that's the whole point!

[brave dagger]

Next update from nasko " pay 20 dollars to sleep"

[karmic merlin]

Casinos in Louisville 🙏

[visual haven]

HellDivers 2 is a perfect example of that

[karmic merlin]

(makes it more worth it going there)

[granite karma]

It's a lot more dangerous for them as a live service game of course

But word of broken betas gets around quick

[visual haven]

True

💯

100 youtube videos of people crying about things being broken is ultimately way worse than 100 youtube videos of people crying about dev time being "slow" (which it's not)

[granite karma]

Wouldn't call most of the people frustrated with the wait "crying" either, tho

Pretty understandable

[tight magnet]

that’s literally every single game to ever exist 😭

and the people like me who aren’t rly playing anymore and so not on the player count are still there just not showing

^waiting for b42

[rich sinew]

still happens from time to time

[rich sinew]

I mean, we kinda do have less indoors

unless you adjust the zombie population (Not the one in advanced zombie options) the amount of zombies indoors is locked at 1x

so even if you have 3x as many outside, it's 1x inside.

[crisp quail]

me trying to find out where francis bigglesworth from riverside street 1bc went to

[inland mica]

I forget if this was talked about at one point or no (so not 100% sure) but anything pertaining to drugs, gambling, or sex is left to the modders so PZ doesn't get heavily regulated + they have other priorities that contribute more so to our survival

[tight magnet]

HottieZ

[karmic merlin]

I was half Joking but damn 💀

[tight magnet]

i love "or sex"

darn!

[crisp quail]

LOL

[inland mica]

I figured 💀 difficult to tell sometimes

[crisp quail]

lmao we all cant tell over text

[bitter hare]

If I somehow got an access code to the beta testers got, I'd probably ignore it lol. The unpolished build isn't worth it, I'd just be ruining my first impressions and wasting my time. (Unless I was actually beta testing of course, but you know that's not what I meant)

[karmic merlin]

Gambling in a zombie apocalypse truly the PZ experience.

[crisp quail]

wasnt there a male version now lol

now i gotta go find it

[toxic dragon]

[inland mica]

I mean HottieZ kinda subtle tho

[crisp quail]

they should do a calender of fire fighters and name it leon

[karmic merlin]

I wouldn't mind if they added gambling dens and casinos in PZ though lol.

[toxic dragon]

Just let me have peace.

[crisp quail]

oo like illegal ones

[toxic dragon]

What is illegal gambling?

[native wagon]

play the slot machines to win some money

[toxic dragon]

If you're in an apocalypse, everything is legal.

[crisp quail]

i dunnnno lol i questioned my sentence after i pressed enter

i pictured dice

[native wagon]

the laws are gone in the apocalypse

[crisp quail]

man i would not want a irl zomberpocalypse

[karmic merlin]

As locations that SERVE 0 PURPOSE BTW!!

[crisp quail]

the rats and and raccoons were gambling and using our food as potluck

[bitter hare]

I can't wait for the update where my character can play the arcade machines

It will be like playing computer games in the sims!

[visual haven]

That is fair. I guess I just see it that way because while I understand their frustration I feel at least some of the videos I have watched are very unfair to you all (the devs).

[inland mica]

took me a while to find but TIGS released this a while back

[visual haven]

Maybe I am just a bitter old man 🤣

[visual haven]

[inland mica]

I kept interrupting your flow of messages lol apologies, Ecn

[crisp quail]

LOLYEA!

[visual haven]

no no, it's ok 😄

[inland mica]

[visual haven]

❤️

[flint adder]

Awooga

[austere pond]

So, about the new translation thing... Is the new Spanish translation European or Latin American Spanish?

[toxic dragon]

Which one do you prefer?

[austere pond]

I'm from South America so Latin American lol

They don't really have much differences for naming items, but it becomes way more noticeable with actual conversations

[patent void]

Readable hotties magazines 👀

Best feature ever, absolute PZ peak

[native wagon]

finding a hottie z book in a school janitor closet was weird

[inland mica]

[chilly flower]

I can tolerate the brokenness of your unstable beta up to (and including) my PC catching fire and wiping out all five disks. Sign me up.

[mighty bison]

Bro jorked it too hard

And by it, I mean
Of course
A 2004 Honda Civic into a lamp post

[wraith pine]

Max expansion way too low

[crude blade]

that happens with literally every game launch or update

[stray shale]

im excited

[quick patrol]

Welcome to game dev

[fathom idol]

Would MP take too long once b42 gets released unstable?

[grizzled goblet]

not as long as with b41

[ornate otter]

naw bro im dead how do you get this bad 😭

[ocean minnow]

I hope I see build 42 in my life жВ

[timid fiber]

hi

[tacit patio]

well i feel i got my money's worth already and i got less then 1k hours in this game so free updates and active devs is SO Fricken niiiiiiiceeeee -cries in EA experience-

[fathom idol]

Well if you play sp, you wont be hitting 1k hours probably. And when you hit mp you'll just pray b42 to come out and optimize you.

[austere musk]

what is ‘Thank You’ package?

[wanton shore]

A kind gesture to anyone who helped with translation work.

[light night]

Zomboid cannot stop cooking

Every thursdoid is so fire

[slate temple]

by build 43 people already have colony in space

lol
jk
(i personally dont care when 42 releases so pls dont hate)

[sand gazelle]

I like the new art for pz

[digital hornet]

New zombie distribution will be interesting it will change how safe the classic base are

[flint adder]

I gotta say I do hope the general ground grass texture also gets overhauled, because even though the grass objects still look leagues better the ground still looks static-y

[crisp quail]

The great penisham oddesy

[toxic dragon]

It's already overhauled.

[crude blade]

they mean the actual grass tiles i think

the current one does look out of place next to the new grass in the blogs

[flint adder]

Yup

[toxic dragon]

Wait, long grass and short grass, and we're talking about short grass tiles, right?

I thought both tiles are overhauled.

🤔

[flint adder]

No, think of an empty grass field with none of the ‘grass objects’

That texture

[crude blade]

the floor

[native wagon]

interesting that dash elites are now cop cars for build 42

Maybe a rosewood , riverside , muldraugh and Louisville police departments.

I think fallas lake could be a sheriffs police department,

[toxic dragon]

That I do not know. I can't tell if the blog posts mentioned about that.

[inland mica]

I believe they just said that the grass got remodeled and not the underlying tile. Idt it looks out of place but it might that way by focusing on the smaller details

maybe we just have to see it in-game

[crisp quail]

first thing ill do is run to grass and sit in it

[flint adder]

Honestly I can change it myself, I saw where the texture was stored lol

It’s just too… scratchy?

[granite karma]

You never uttered these words in real life

[crisp quail]

yah cause texas has ants therfore my excuse lol

[light night]

you know your community too well

"ive touched plenty of grass, ive played 1000 hours of project zomboid"

[crisp quail]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

cat grass counts you know lol

[light night]

unironically i seize up when i hear helicopters fly overhead

thanks, zomboid

[inland mica]

imagine running from a horde and your key ring somehow came off. Never gonna find it with all that grass

[crisp quail]

i have already losts keys that way lol

i lost a wood axe that way

[visual haven]

I'd touch grass but then I would get super itchy and red (if it was fresh cut)

So I choose not to

[inland mica]

I lost my guille suit in the grass one time. Tragic

[visual haven]

Yea between PZ and Rust I have a mix of emotions when I hear one lol

[visual haven]

nooo

[crisp quail]

yah i have no idea where that axe went lol , tried foraging it back and its just gone

[cosmic lark]

Who's excited for the new API for crafting to get used to let you play as Walter White in the post apocalypse

[crisp quail]

i dont know what api crafting means lol

but if your excited im excoited

[cosmic lark]

A while back they showed automated orange juice extraction as an example of what the new API could allow mods to do, and one thing that occurs to me is Walter White Simulator Mod

[visual haven]

Modded meth crafting tables

[crisp quail]

OHH where people said we make spiffo sauce or something lol

gonna put rats in mine to make a rat dairy farm

[cosmic lark]

A what

[granite karma]

You heard them

[cosmic lark]

No I didn't, narrator is turned off.

[granite karma]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-milking-room-rat-rats-gif-7469110984170814008

[crisp quail]

lol

[inland mica]

gonna mess with brains in my underground/basement lab then sell it to the zombies if they fish, forage, hunt, and farm for me in exchange

[crisp quail]

yah!! bones n giblet room

[native wagon]

brainzzz

[crisp quail]

if we eat brains do we get skill points

[cosmic lark]

I mean

[native wagon]

increased multiplier of the brains

[inland mica]

temporary fast learner trait

[harsh hazel]

I wish the PZ devs would focus more on technical small updates to improve the game overall instead of adding a bunch of features. For example, regular tech updates for bug fixes and performance, then bigger ones that add more content and features.

[cosmic lark]

If they don't hunt wild animals because it wouldn't spread to them, would they bother eating brains that aren't in a human skull?

[crisp quail]

wonder if we can mount animal skulls or something

[native wagon]

turn zombies bones into weapons lol

[crisp quail]

if not someone make a mod yes yes , with mountable fishers

[cosmic lark]

Or would they act like the koala, unable to recognize eucalyptus leaves when they aren't on the tree

[crude blade]

i dont think it looks too bad but it does look out of place up close

[sage stump]

Why on earth would I want to mount a head when I can befriend the deer

Turn off zombies and play Disney princess mode

[crisp quail]

omer pls lol

[sage stump]

I'm actually really looking forward to Farmvilleboid

[native wagon]

imagine how Halloween day thursdoid will be like and it might be very spooky

[inland mica]

if I was a hungry and desperate zombie, then I would absolutely eat some random brain I saw a player leave for me

[cosmic lark]

Do the zombies have the sapience to feel "desperate"?

[crisp quail]

lol ew

[sage stump]

Brain eating speedrun is gonna change the game

[crisp quail]

radgoll brain physics

[inland mica]

don’t zombies have an insatiable appetite for flesh and brains? Probably falls along the lines of “desperate”

also can’t wait for players to set up brain eating contests for zombies

[crisp quail]

lol sick

i will take this ballbag though

[visual haven]

They used to do small updates and it never really pushed things forward. That is one of the reasons why they made the decision to do bigger long form updates. If they did it your way the game would still look like the tech demo

[inland mica]

kind off-topic (back to the grass), but hoping they also do the violin crescendo jump scare every time small animals appear out of the tall grass

[native wagon]

having a phobia trait for being scared of rodents

[toxic dragon]

+5 points

[flint adder]

I think a good balance between the two would be good for the community but that’s just me

[toxic dragon]

Phobia traits all should have at least 5 points, for them to be deemed worthy to risk it.

[native wagon]

astraphobia afraid of lightning trait https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astraphobia

[flint adder]

They should add fear of zombies

That would be cool I think

[toxic dragon]

What's the point of that?

[final hazel]

I think that's how the default panic moodle works

[toxic dragon]

You're already in fear of the zombies.

[flint adder]

No way that’s insane

[native wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/rooster-crowing-bantam-kukko-kiekuu-gif-25860190

hearing a rooster crowing in build 42 going to call some undead to your base

[flint adder]

Oooooo I didn’t think about that

[toxic dragon]

Farmland 100 days is going to be nuts to play.

Gotta make sure your pasture farm animals are alive and fed well, while battling stray zombies at you.

Good thing zombies don't kill farm animals.

But I do hoped male bulls headbutt them.

[inland mica]

Stardew Valley? Nope. It’s Louisville Valley now

[sage stump]

I think it would be strange for animals to be able to attack zombies but not vice versa

Unless it were rare. Otherwise I could see it being abused unless there's some drawback. Bull defense system

[final hazel]

You'd potentially need a lot of bulls to account for massive hordes, possibly more than the player will be able to breed in a reasonable amount of time

[toxic dragon]

Need some Youtubers to do some experiments in Build 42.

A montage of compilation of experiments.

[random thorn]

cowardly

and you're already scared anyway

[flint adder]

(I thought it was obvious I was joking 😭)

[keen relic]

Wonderful.
Thank you and the team for the thursdoid and the continued effort. It's a highlight of every month for me to see how things progress.

[toxic dragon]

I wondered what other types of 100 day challenges can you make with Build 42?

I know Farmland is one of them

[mental lintel]

Just read the update. I'm still most excited about the fire revamp and new liquid system! 💯💯

Also ppl saying the art is not fitting is twitching, but to each their own

[sage stump]

I think the fire revamp isn't gonna be b42, or at least not guaranteed. They may have repeated this but the only source I could quickly find was https://bsky.app/profile/theindiestone.bsky.social/post/3kjqcnauvml22

[mental lintel]

Also the new light propagation. Like, 42 is gonna be PACKED with stuff and ppl seem to forget all these things that are getting revamped and/or included

[sage stump]

That said, playing around with the liquids does seem fun still & agreed that these things will add up

[mental lintel]

Oh that's fine, still hella awesome tho (and excited about it)

[sage stump]

Agreed

[mental lintel]

Also iirc there's a ton of optimization that's more than welcome (and requires a lot of work)

[visual haven]

They already do this though, they release a major update (example B41) and then release fixes and new content throughout the updates lifetime and then eventually move the devs off working on it so they can focus on the next one (B42 in this example)

[fiery socket]

will we have the basements?

[sage stump]

We will have the basements

See https://projectzomboid.com/blog/upcoming-features-b42

[inland mica]

will we have the… [fill in the blank]?

[sage stump]

We will have the [blank]

[gaunt cloak]

It is frightening how well this gif applies to the context

Hey, Dread Dawn drops onto Steam in 3 days. Might help us get a fix for Zomboid-like stuff until B42 comes out

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2093920/Dread_Dawn/

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[crisp quail]

its milking time

[visual haven]

"And then we convert the rat milk to rat cheese with this device!"

[opaque jewel]

the more concentrated heat map is a great addition, however i feel like vying for more realism in zombie spread might only further buff wilderness survival

I'm not opposed to the heatmap being a starting point, but i do hope zombies migrate pretty evenly over time

[austere pond]

The greatest enemy of wilderness survival is boredom tho

[opaque jewel]

being outdoors cures boredom, it's a nonissue in that scenario

[austere pond]

Lol no I'm talking about the boredom of the player, not the character

[opaque jewel]

ah, i see

[toxic dragon]

That's bushcraft 101.

You get used to boredom.

[azure trench]

this is the most nothingburger progress updat eof all time

we are truly never getting the next update until 2026

If I knew the devs were going to be this fucking slow I would've never even bought this game

[crisp quail]

i think pz and other games like it is a good example of how early access can be for development , im more picky about what ea games i play now, but never once regretted purchasing pz

[azure trench]

I heavily regret it because this game is fucking ass without a gorillion mods

[crisp quail]

ah, thats personal preference i find most mods to be a tad overpowered

[sage stump]

Less stuff to talk about → closer to the update

Unstable b42 is already confirmed for this year

[azure trench]

yeah that's the shitty thing u have to sift through mods for hours to find ones that make the game fun but don't break the balance

[crisp quail]

from the blogs looks like 42 will cover a lot of things i tink

uh missing

[inland mica]

we really just needed raccoons; everything else is a nice-to-have

[crisp quail]

And beavers

Wait why beavers

[stark cliff]

i really hope they release b42 this year 🤞

[visual haven]

Most of my hours in this game are in vanilla playthroughs lol. Game is great, devs are great! ❤️

[bitter hare]

I love going onto the official discord for video games I played and talking shit to the hard working devs because I enjoy their game with mods more than without it.

Hmm.. someday I may get into nodded PZ

[azure trench]

yeah

sis is gonna piss herself because I bought this game thinking it would actually get updates

insane

[bitter hare]

I'm sorry your heart is so full of hate that you feel the need to lash out like this

[grizzled goblet]

if you had read the full explanation what "early access" means on Steam store page, but eh, lets blame the devs for ensuring highest quality product

next time just wait for fully finished game

[azure trench]

I'm sorry that you like meatriding a game dev team you don't even personally know when I'm giving justifiable complaints for a game that has made (at minimum) five million dollars and yet they take 4 years to update the game with what modders can do in a few months 💔

If I knew it was like this I wouldn't have even bought the game lol

[grizzled goblet]

welcome to early access, go with the "dont pre-order" bandwagon next time

[sage stump]

It's less abt the complaints and more about the energy imo

Like yeah, it's valid to be restless and want the update to be out. We all want it to be out. You can express concerns & wish for more content in blogs (although, again, less content = update soon) without being pessimistic abt it

[grizzled goblet]

paid 15 euros for a game that already back when I bought it was worth every euro, anything at this point is a free bonus

got other games too, my life not bound to PZ

[azure trench]

Just because something is EA doesn't mean it's expected to take four years between updates when the modding community has absolutely blown the actual developers out of the water on basically every front barring hardcoded engine issues that modders couldn't touch even if they want to

[grizzled goblet]

you are absolutely right to have expectations to receive a polished, ready full game, the early access wording is simply a legal mean to ensure they could, in theory, never finish the game.

Maybe you have not seen other games that actually take forever to push any major update, but PZ by far for me is so much more playable and taking so much less time per major updates than those other games I know of

[azure trench]

Valheim is EA, doesn't take a zillion years between updates. Rust is EA, they don't take a zillion years. When I look at EA I expect "the game might be rough" and not "You will literally be 40 years old by the time this game is done"

[grizzled goblet]

But I will be 40 years old before PZ is fully released....

[azure trench]

What, are you already in your thirties?

[grizzled goblet]

36

[azure trench]

Rough

[grizzled goblet]

Eh, everyone will be 36 years of age one day 🙂

[azure trench]

Maybe you can play the game with your kids at least lol

[grizzled goblet]

I don't have kids, I am fully a gamer with my wife

gaming is not a new invention made for far younger people than me

[visual haven]

👋 Am also 36

#teamnokids

[sage stump]

Games were invented in the year 2024 when Fortnite came out

[azure trench]

and again like. if this was a smaller indie team I would yap less but they've made 5 mil in total sales. I know that's all time sales and that their actual daily revenue probably isn't that big, but c'mon

It just feels like they can't possibly have more than ten people working on the game with how long everything seems to take

[visual haven]

What do you define as smaller indie team?

[sage stump]

One man in his undies making a game

[visual haven]

😆

[azure trench]

A team of one to three people who made a niche title that has less than 100,000 sales

Compared to Zomboid which is one of the most popular zombie games on steam if you look at sales

[grizzled goblet]

I don't know the exact size of PZ dev team, I only know they do not do crunch time that makes a game design vulnerable to rushed product with tons of issues. But I already paid for PZ in 2017, so...sucks to wait for b42 but when it is here inevitably soon(tm), I'll forget about any waiting time and gorge upon it like a fanatic

[azure trench]

I'm just glad this update seems to be making the game Actually Good without mods but it sucks that it'll probably be another year until it's even multiplayer compatible

[grizzled goblet]

They did say it shouldnt take as long as Build 41 did with MP

my own friend is quite waiting while his holidays expiring until the end of the year to play b42 with me

[visual haven]

I've said it before, been playing PZ since 2011... in the grand scheme of things, B42 dev time is just a blip.

[azure trench]

I understand how things that require actual new infrastructure or engine changes to be made can take a lot of time. But it's confusing how things like crafting are even taking more than a few weeks with the oodles of modders who would probably volunteer or just accept minimum wage to help retool and then integrate their code into the game

Like, animals? Okay. That's a whole thing. It's entirely new code. But just, the crafting systems and menus? There's already mods that do all that stuff, just not to the same style/quality that Indie Stone wants

[visual haven]

Glad they take their time and don't rush things out, less burnout for the devs, more coherent gameplay for us in the long term

[azure trench]

Just kind of weird how the majority of this update barring the animals and map overhauls seems to just be content that modders have added already

[visual haven]

The crafting systems is entirely new code as well btw, they redid the entire system that was in place since the tech demo days

[crisp quail]

More too ot than that, both legally and just stuff takes trust too im sure and hiring people that work well and are on the same page, cant just invite anyone to have access to something like a games database.

[visual haven]

Also gotta point out that a lot of the dev team were modders in the community at one point

[crisp quail]

Compared to when i bought the game in 2014 updates have surpassed each one in terms of quality i think

[visual haven]

💯

Bought this game 5 euros as a little tech demo cause I thought it was neat, everything else just made this game better and better

[crisp quail]

Ya lol, the old lil runbing animation during character select

[visual haven]

ohhh my such a classic

[crisp quail]

I know a lot here got game during mp but gosh , so many small qol we couldnt do in those older builds we take for granted

I dont even think we could sit or sneak? Prolly part of the animationg thingie i forget

[visual haven]

sneaking was holding your weapon up in the ready position

which turned into nimble basically

sneaking as we know it now didn't come till B41, same with sitting

[crisp quail]

Lol crazy

Yay whoevers all made that possible

[bitter hare]

(Nobody tell him about dwarf fortress or Minecraft)

[azure trench]

Dwarf Fortres is literally two guys who are in their 40s. Also DF is actually good

Minecraft has the same issues as PZ and is like 5x worse than PZ in that regard

also DF is free

[visual haven]

DF is fun, Rimworld is better imo

[azure trench]

different experiences

rimworld is more like The Sims but you're in cowboy sci fi world whereas dwarf fortress is more like a city builder

[visual haven]

both are story simulators, both a definitely city builders

[azure trench]

you rarely really build cities in rimworld when most people have like. ten pawns tops

[visual haven]

we are clearly not playing the same way then 🙂

[azure trench]

Rimworld is more like...micro. You manage everything very personally

DF is like an ant colony where eventually you just give the ants general guidelines and wait for them to do it

[crisp quail]

I dont get it , that game has been in dev for 20 years

[azure trench]

Two people, free game, very janky engine that constantly breaks on them. Do I have to reiterate the free part

it's also 10x the game that PZ will ever be barring graphics

[crisp quail]

Ok and thats fine to have different likes and dislikes, pz isnt for everyone and neither will their development speed and again that fine.

[visual haven]

They technically hired a third this year

[crisp quail]

Is the free df is the ascii?

[visual haven]

They made a massive amount of money via the steam version's release, so shouldn't you be frustrated at how they haven't hired more than just one person?

[visual haven]

yea free version is ascii, you can get tile set packs though to give it graphics

[crisp quail]

Sounds confusing i tried playing cdda and it was really hard to customize lol

If its anything like thatd i doubt i could enjoy it, the steam version looks friendlier

[visual haven]

Yea I find the controls in the free version to be very uncomfortable

steam version is nice though

[crisp quail]

Yay!, need to check it outsometine

[inland mica]

MC Live later today. Wonder if we could see a PZ Live sometime in the future with TIGS’ lead dev Lenny and the script written by their AI (PatGPT)

[visual haven]

I'll watch it if dubiousfrog is hosting it

though mrnuclearwaterfowl would be ok too

[inland mica]

would be neat if Pub1icLemon and/or DoctorVO were involved too

[nocturne oriole]

Wait till you find out what those modders are doing now lmao

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

[indigo marlin]

Please add “Pick Nose” command to alleviate boredom @granite karma . The longer i pick my nose the lesser the character becomes bored. Or any other fun action command to lessen character boredom/depression

[grizzled goblet]

I'm more leaning towards changing how boredom works, if you live in the Louisville mall, you get bored by fighting and looting the stores purely because it count as indoors, so your boredom goes up no matter what

like bruh, I have 10000 loot items in this paradise, but my character gets bored while looting the hell out of the free stuff

creates funny things like me reading skillbooks on a balcony in Louisville when it raining because apparently reading books inside is boring

[nova pelican]

I have a mod that fixes that, fun mod

But yes boredom, depression and various other moodles need to be rehauled

Preferably before the NPC update

[twilit bloom]

Ive always hoped for a bit of a steath overhaul, and the changes to the heatmap zed distribution might even make that more necessary

[nova pelican]

The introduction of crouching made that a lot better

[twilit bloom]

True? I dont believe i was around during any pre-crouch days. I guess vision checks and detection rates just feel a little aggressive and unpredictable at times. I have a love/hate relationship with zomboid RNG and the way its presence in every aspect of the game constantly subverts the players expectations 😅

[flint adder]

Do you understand how game development works or do you really think it’s that easy? Newfound increase in revenue does not immediately mean increased productivity, it’s not a tycoon game.
I truly don’t understand the level of vitriol people like you hurl towards smaller studios

[flint adder]

Yeah! Visual stealth needs a major overhaul because the way it’s done now is that a zombie checks if it can see you like 100 times a second lol

I don’t see people saying conspicuous is a free trait which is funny because it might as well be

[crude blade]

the "modders have also done crafting" thing isnt completely fair either since they completely remade the whole crafting system i think

[bitter hare]

To be fair, I've seen that a lot

[bitter hare]

I do believe the devs plan to re-implement a sanity system alongside NPCs. If they do, I imagine that would involve looking at the existing mental states and at least touching then up

I definitely think that the outdoors cure boredom far too effectively, though

[crisp quail]

Wth lol

[atomic stratus]

if I ever saw this car in the apocalypse in real life, I'd assume it was painted way after the world ended lol

[indigo marlin]

Yeah i know it’s out of the blue 😂 just suggesting some things that they can add that will help handle the Boredom moodlet so that we wont just focus on reading books or staying outside 😄

[azure trench]

yea they hired like. two or three modders out of the dozens of incredibly talented ones that have made mods that the entire community can universally agree should be vanilla if they were just spruced up a bit

[crisp quail]

add buttitch lol

[crisp quail]

akually soulfilcher, blair , rj , ringo i think too? aiteron , aryton

have to ask nasko lol of the tis family tree

eris!

[flint adder]

What the community agrees should be in the game is not always what TIS thinks should be in the game. If this were the case we’d have the seggs update by now

[azure trench]

looks at basic shit like Braven's Common Sense that has almost three million subscribers

three million out of the nine million to have ever even purchased the game

[crisp quail]

just because you might think it should be added doesnt mean it should, i dont use those popular mods i find them to be overpowered for my playstyle.. i think tis does a good job at adding their own twist on features

[azure trench]

Okay but you're some vanilla purist who has never even opened the mods page and has no idea what Common Sense even does lmao

[crisp quail]

im not a purist i still play with mods , i played with bravens mods and i dont like them

[rich sinew]

I don't think comparing the game to all the mods made is fair anyhow

There's 30,000 mods on the workshop, made by, I'm just gonna guess, at least 8,000 unique modders. Likely more than that.

comparing a team of 40 to 8000, when the team of 40 is handling things like updating the engine and new lighting systems, while modders can focus on pure content, yeah, of course there's a ton of things added via mods that the base game hasn't gotten too.

I don't get why that's used as a knock against the devs that they made a game that's very mod friendly.

[crisp quail]

yes some features could be vanilla but using it as a holy grail for things to be added to the game, no

[azure trench]

😨 oooooh...it's so overpowered....oh no... 👻

i can...use a crowbar...like a crowbar?!!!!! this breaks the game !

[crisp quail]

never said that and i would wait until build 42 comes out with such a massive overhaul you never know what has changed

[sly cairn]

lololop why u getting mad over project zomboid mods

"if i act really pissed off.. nobody will talk to me.. and ill win the debate.."

[nocturne oriole]

Till your realize 99% of those things are coming to B42

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-laughing-gif-lol-funny-loud-laugh-gif-7926424135311815001

[azure trench]

Yeah so why make us wait

four fucking years

When someone with developer keys could get that implemented into the actual game in a week while the Big Content is still worked on

[nocturne oriole]

Because they're doing a bunch of things aside from that silly, you know that

[crisp quail]

because of things like this "– this week some unexplained and endless explosions in deer/bunny populations, out of memory issues, and combat irregularities."

[crude blade]

quite a few of the mods that people tend to bring up as a "wow the modders did this before the devs" thing are mods with really hacky implementations too like the basement and rv mods

[crisp quail]

i highly doubt the people that want to play right now would want to play a unstable like that lol

[crude blade]

or just stuff that the devs arent focusing on right now like first aid

[azure trench]

you heard it here folks....making cans openable with a knife will make the entire dev build unusable and break all of their progress....

[crisp quail]

yeah not what i said lol

[rich sinew]

woah woah woah, huh?

[sly cairn]

-bait alarms go off-

[crisp quail]

MOM

[rich sinew]

How are you getting 4 years

[sly cairn]

Hes.. ragebaiting?.. i can't believe this...

[nocturne oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-spiderman-meme-miles-morales-gif-6254393350946967855

We got played

[crisp quail]

[azure trench]

maybe if I put myself in cryosleep I can play B42 before I die of old age....maybe....

[rich sinew]

The last update to b41 came out in November of 2022

are you just counting the initial release of b41 and counting from there?

[sly cairn]

AHHHHHHHH

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[crisp quail]

lol

[crude blade]

i waited since the animations update was first shown off in march 2016

the b42 wait means nothing to me

[rich sinew]

I can't believe b42 has taken 8 years of development

[crisp quail]

lol

[crude blade]

so true...

[crisp quail]

faxmachine

[nocturne oriole]

Glad I bought the game in 2019 💀

[crude blade]

playing pre-41 after they had already teased the animation update was torture bruh

b42 is a ton of cool features but its not like we're waiting for the game to become actually playable like 41 lmao

[nocturne oriole]

The classic baseball-textured crowbar

[crude blade]

i forgot about that 💀

[nocturne oriole]

The only thing that b41 ruined

[crisp quail]

lol i got the game in 2014 and remember EVERY Weapon was a bat

and when we ran it was like running in a fever dream

[crude blade]

the only thing i do kinda miss about pre-41 was that everything looked kind of sepia or green

i think 41 can still look like that depending on the weather but the vibe was cool

[nocturne oriole]

Too fast to be a fever dream lmao the character was just flying

[crude blade]

they should bring back the alien zombies i think

[crisp quail]

LOL

jesus crickets lol look how far its come now

[crude blade]

the current ui feels like a persona game compared to the first versions of the game 💀

[crude blade]

bruhh i remember the hype in 2013 for the 3d character models was crazy

[crisp quail]

lol i went n played legacy b38 a few months back just to see the difference in things

[crude blade]

i still kinda like the style of the characters from that version but the current one works way better i think especially for modding

i think the first betas of b41 still had the pixel filter over the models but they removed it at some point

[crisp quail]

i love the little icons art theyre so detailed

the clothes look cool too from that old version in its own way

[crude blade]

yeah the clothes still had that texturing style when they first showed off the anim update and the textures are still in the files lmao

even the old body textures from then are still in the files

[crisp quail]

lol thats so cute!!

[wanton shore]

They could fairly easily apply a shader to the player's models to achieve crunchy looking graphics

Played this a while back, and this feature was wild as hell

Fun game too

But tbh, I hope the 2D stuff is updated to fit better with the 3D

[flint adder]

Ah a short hike is great

I’m not sure what shaders they use for PZ but if you learn that, maybe it’s possible!

[wanton shore]

From what I recall the shader stuff isn't exposed - and I'm staying away from Java modding

[flint adder]

Haha I don’t blame you

It would certainly be cool to get shader mod access at some time tho

[wanton shore]

I can't afford to go down that rabbithole

[flint adder]

I’ve already learned Java so I can try to throw my hat in at some time

But gotta say you’ve unlocked a desire in me to make all the graphics look like an old crunchy PC game from the 2000s

[wanton shore]

😅 I think alot of people would dig it

A reason I don't want to java mod is cause if I'm going to be spending that much more time programming I'd honestly make my own game - and yeah I really like this style too.

[crude blade]

yeah pz used to do this until a few updates into b41 they removed it for some reason

i think people probably mentioned that they didnt like it so they just removed it

https://youtu.be/21EyASZLKgs?si=u3TDfMHStPT1UKpP&t=447

you can kinda see it at the timestamp

i totally forgot the old zombie sounds

[crisp quail]

lol the death noise

[crude blade]

that just reminded me i still need to port the zombie sounds from the old sound overhaul mod

i really liked those tbh

[toxic dragon]

Question about localizations mentioned in this blog post, for Chinese, will it support Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese? Or just Simplified Chinese?

[wanton shore]

If I had to guess, since there's an option for both , and the new translations will be revised by professionals, there will be both.

[toxic dragon]

Nice

Thanks.

[tight magnet]

u compared valheim?😂 dog 1 valheim update that took months is like 10% of the builds we get

[bitter hare]

Is this what getting added to B42 or is this something else?

[final hazel]

It might be a mod "common sense"

But I'm not sure

[bitter hare]

I'd love to put flashlights in my holster ior belt

[crude blade]

it is

[tight magnet]

perfect example of scarcity mindset 💀

they’re adding a bajillion more common sense features plus all the huge overhauls and new stuff that i’m sure you know about.

Plus the fact that you have no idea how long Braven even spent on that mod

[crisp quail]

Yeah valheim is pretty slow and i cant really say i have been impressed with some of their updates lol

Love the game though one of my favs

[tight magnet]

it’s funny that people think for example a 50 dev team means 50 programmers working on the same build

[harsh hazel]

i really hope they focus on optimizing the game, i dont want this to become another minecraft

[tight magnet]

they did

[visual haven]

100% this, I have actually been pretty disappointed with a lot of the updates for Valheim. Especially disappointed with their refusal to support modding properly

obviously idealy you want to have modding in mind when you start a game dev project, but still pretty sad

[crisp quail]

Yeah, maybe modding support is just a headache i dunno lol would be nice though

[visual haven]

it is if it isn't done from the beginning, but they could still have hooks for it

[crude blade]

ive seen a ton of people complain that the latest blog is just "the devs introducing new features instead of finishing b42" 💀

like bruh the animator making new interaction animations is not taking away from main b42 development lol

[crisp quail]

lol no way , the animations that will eventually lead up to what a majority of people want animated car door openings ?

[visual haven]

How dare they do their job * shakes fist * lol

[crisp quail]

[inland mica]

that is the description for the Common Sense mod on Steam. We could see some of these things making it to B42 tho (I'll go in order here):

• idt TIGS has mentioned that crowbars will be able to pry open doors, windows, etc.. but maybe they'll surprise us
• unknown if sand bags, concrete powder sacks, canned food, and the like can be emptied at will for B42
• possibly. They mention in https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/04/dya-like-them-grapplez/ that spears were "rethought" (not sure about the details) with added mechanics like sharpness, head condition, and handle condition that also goes for other weapons (talked about here: https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/12/zleigh-ride/)
• being able to open canned food with knives (idk about spoons or screwdrivers) with the added risk of hand injury will be possible soon (https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/02/play-your-cardz-right/)
• with the new crafting tables for tailoring and such, safe to assume we'll be able to craft sheets
• yes (like TLOU). watch the Scarfs and Flashlights video from https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/09/sky-high/
• yup likely (i.e. new crafting system)
• with new crafting stations and revamped crafting system, seems likely we'll be able to repair more items or make improved/more durable items ourselves
• maybe. Don't remember if there'll be color indicators for condition of vehicle battery, engine, etc..
• no idea but feel like scissors and small blades could suffice

could be wrong. Feel free to correct

[bitter hare]

With the lighting overhaul I believe they said they managed to reduce GPU load by 25%?

[final hazel]

I definitely prefer the side-angled flashlights to the belt-equipped flashlight mechanic that Common Sense includes. I just hope I'll be able to attach it to something more simple, like a backpack strap or a shirt/jacket pocket like in TLOU or Silent Hill

[nova pelican]

99% sure that somewhere they showed off crowbars being able to pry open doors

Also can we retcon the Subreddit until B42 released

I don't understand why this would be a controversial opinion

[crisp quail]

lol i dunno , you say anything or dont have issues with the speed of things youre always called names or something

[nova pelican]

I'm just going to make this my default response

[crisp quail]

yeah i said that to someone in steam forums and theyre bringing up when build came out on unstable back years ago lol , which wasnt my point , the point was i feel like theyre on a decent schedule for how much time its been since they stopped working on 41 and started working on 42 or something

[inland mica]

I thought so too but couldn’t find it. We’ll probably have lockpicking as a safer alternative too

[nova pelican]

Lockpicking I know is confirmed

The lockpicking mod that I have adds a minigame for carjacking instead of the rng hotwiring we have currently that I think fits pretty well

Basically you're given 4 wires and you have to match the correct 2 together to start the car

[frozen sphinx]

Its not even op since it takes into account the strenght of the character

One time tryna escape a horde i spent like 3 minutes trying to pry open a door because i had low strenght and i was panicking

[visual haven]

That mod was made by Aiteron who was hired by TIGS and is implementing lock picking, fishing mini game and better mod manager into the game

I have a feeling we might see the car hotwiring feature as well (maybe in the future)

[nova pelican]

I'd love it if we did

Although a slight bit of balancing to make it just a hint harder would be nice

[visual haven]

Agreed

I haven't played with that mod in a long bit cause it broke on my MP server so I don't remember if it is in but I think it'd be neat if you crossed the wrong wires and set off the car alarm 🤓

Add a bit of spice to the mix

[native wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/gta-6-trailer-gta-6-hamlet-old-lady-hammer-gif-17899703668419291158

would be nice to have dual wielding that uses both hands for melee weapons

[crisp quail]

I wanna duel weild some carrots

[strange nymph]

yo

[crisp quail]

A rootn good time, get it lol cause thwyre roots

[native wagon]

dual weilding pistols would be badass but would affect accuracy

[nova pelican]

So apparently people are stalking TiS's government filings

[crisp quail]

Lol

[still maple]

I mean, the only reason why I know that is because someone else was trying to use it to get someone into a gotcha moment. I just checked it out again and saw what was in it.

[inland mica]

[nova pelican]

Estimated release date is what I saw

Please put heavy emphasis on estimated

[still maple]

I mean, its probably not intended for the unwashed masses to read it. Imagine telling someone last year about that date, the whining and crying would be way worse because people think game dev is some magical thing where things pop into existence.

[nova pelican]

Yeah only reason I mentioned it here is because most people in this channel are well adjusted

The window of release they provided is variably less optimistic than I thought it would be but still not unreasonable

[crisp quail]

Youd hope people would have more rewarding hobbies lol

[nova pelican]

They're public records so technically no harm no foul with just a little hint of obsessive

[visual haven]

Why people gotta be so weird

[nocturne oriole]

Where did the tax thing happen? 💀

[nova pelican]

Tax what now?

[inland mica]

they’re probably asking where this discussion took place

[visual haven]

Well now I feel like the weird one for hunting for where they posted the stuff...

[nova pelican]

Posted what stuff

[inland mica]

the mention/post of “TIGS government filings”

think I found it on ||[redacted]||

kinda not surprised

[nova pelican]

I have the link but I'm hesitant to send it to avoid another "Where b42" situation

Don't want to be a vector for this

[inland mica]

yeah, that’s probably for the best

[visual haven]

I hope we can make Salsa/Pico De Gallo in the future

[nocturne oriole]

Salsa verde hmm

[late hare]

Nice

[visual haven]

🤤

[nova pelican]

Normally I'm a vanilla purist, only playing with QoL mods or mods that expand off the existing features of the game, but I refuse to play without this mod

It adds modelled fingers onto the players/zomboids and it looks so good

And since devs aren't opposed to (Actively upgrading) messing the graphics, I'd love if they canonised this mod

[crude blade]

too detailed for me tbh

i love the mitten hands

[nova pelican]

It's not even that detailed, it's the perfect mix of low poly and existant hands

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2651128766&searchtext=fingers

[fiery socket]

My brother in christ they are rewritting the game from the ground up, adding basements and pushing up the floor limit from 7 to 32. Not only that but they're adding dynamic wildlife, 3 new towns, a whole new crafting system and improving their lighting engine. Of course it's going to take 4 years, that's an insane amount of stuff to add.

[crisp quail]

Pz meat riders mount up🏇

[sand compass]

https://youtu.be/EYvj4QG8Xgc?si=ZTsUvsarkCeMj9Ba

[spare tusk]

Let the record show that I am not asking this in an annoying way. I know that there were a few key things mentioned in the blog originally with the unstable beta plan, such as the crafting stuff, that became "nice to haves" for your unstable plan. But since then, the blogs have been a bit more piecemeal. I was curious what's going to end up being your final push, what is the one part that you guys are like oh man, when that's in, we're FLYING

But yeah not trying to do "how much more left" lol, I do not need measurements or any promises of the sort! Was more just curious from a dev standpoint

[flint adder]

Since they’re reaching the goal of pushing out 42 unstable, they’ve already shown off all of the ‘sexy’ stuff I guess.

[spare tusk]

IE what ends up as tech debt to you guys

[sand compass]

The final part that sends it flying is the release date lmao

I'll paraphrase what nasko said, but when the technical stuff that gets shown is more prevalent, the release gets much closer

[toxic dragon]

Hard to say without knowing the source codes.

And this is coming from a software engineer who worked on a rearchitecturing project for a legacy service.

[sage stump]

I imagine the question was directed at devs for that reason lol

[crisp quail]

i made us guys

[crude blade]

https://tenor.com/view/hog-rider-coc-clash-of-clans-gif-24053135

[crisp quail]

lmao

[dull wagon]

the loading screens look like AI tbh

[crisp quail]

i dont think so , looks like an artist that just improved over time

[crude blade]

its also in the photobash-y style which ai tends to look like

all the details when you zoom in clearly arent ai which wouldnt entirely disprove it being well-hidden ai but its pretty unlikely

[bitter hare]

The 13 year old art has more of a sketchy linework, so it's also a little bit of a style shift. But it's part of my job to spot out AI from human art, and nothing really struck me as suspect

[sand compass]

next time one should think before they speak

Not to say AI is a problem, but looking closely you can see actual words

and only five fingers on hands

[final hazel]

It sucks that people can't post semi-realistic artwork nowadays without the suspicion of using AI art

[crisp quail]

Yeah, its annoying

[sage stump]

Tbf people would complain about literally any blog content

I think it's mainly bitterness at this point, and I'm not just saying this as a pz meat rider gang member

Once the unstable drops I think we'll see more positivity from plungers

[crisp quail]

you mean fanboid

[bitter hare]

I will say it then: AI art is a problem. It consumes massive amounts of resources.

[sage stump]

Fortunately AI wasn't used here as far as we know anyhow

[sand compass]

I am fully aware

none the less, we must be careful who we throw accusations to

[flint adder]

It’s not ‘as far as we know’ it’s pretty obviously not ai at all

I think people who accuse art being ai forget how awful ai art is in general when it comes to details

It’s a perfectly fine piece of art, I really don’t get the discourse

[crisp quail]

Cal we get wallpepr sized for our pc

[visual haven]

this kills me 😂 ❤️

TIGS is the best!

[crisp quail]

They cant tear us down were ham not paper

[visual haven]

[gloomy fjord]

Looks like they lied or underestimated the amount of time it will take. it’s releasing in 2025 or, earliest December lmao. Still Kinda disappointing but it is what it is. The update looks fantastic atleast

[crisp quail]

unstable releases in 2024 which is what they stated on their twitter earlier this year

[native wagon]

October, November and December are left this year for build 42