Tidy Up Time

[reef river]

Also no

News about b42 but not when it will release, best estimate right now is later this year according to a tweet by TIS

[amber ingot]

I wasn't paying much attention because I was in class and dread, knowing myself If I read it now I won't get it much either.

[worn trout]

will be nice to have body sliders on character creation (nsfw and sfw), and please HiRes the models! 🙏 🙏

[zealous tapir]

I hope they release it soon so I can start making horselike thingies.

[carmine jay]

and please HiRes the models!
And why don't we just add first person mode while we're at it 🙄

[carmine jay]

The closest thing you're gonna get it getting horses that act like cows until you mount them, after which they turn into the existing horse mod.

[worn trout]

PZ is not that kind of game, for this we have other games which are FPS.

[gloomy copper]

They weren't being serious

[carmine jay]

On top of that, I was mocking you for casually asking for hi-res models when that's probably impossible for this engine.

[timber egret]

Hi res penisham

[north bolt]

Hi puppers

[worn trout]

I saw the graphics engine will be better this time, unless it's not

[noble relic]

Personal opinion: Stylized > Hi-Res.

[fossil monolith]

by better they mean "zooming out doesn't cause a 2080ti to chug to a near halt"

[ember drift]

Very true for a lot of reasons; more unique style to stand out with, and since ur not rendering ultra-realistic models and shaders, performance is better

[jovial hedge]

inventory UI’s not successful i’m guessing? 😢😢

also just realized i could get a high res pic of this

way clearer text now

[twilit citrus]

Let's truly hope they are in fact bows, sadly they haven't mentioned anything about those so eh

[glass forge]

looks much better in quailty and can finally read this

[turbid carbon]

We have mentioned that they will come later

[glass forge]

its good to start off the simple features before going into the complex ones for build 42.

[timber egret]

plunger spear will be best weapon

[noble relic]

Only if it lets us pole-vault over zeds

[half coral]

In hoping it makes literally 0 damage

[carmine jay]

That have explicitly said that bows have been put on the bottom of the priority list and, in terms of new crafting systems, will be implemented last. Along with some other crafting systems, bows will NOT be in the Build 42 Unstable Release UNTIL LATER.

[twilit citrus]

Right yeah forgot about it

[mortal cove]

Hope we can loot modern bows and crossbows

[fossil monolith]

if nothing else once the systems for them exist it wouldn't be too hard to add some

[twilit citrus]

yeah

[merry rivet]

Couldn’t wait to play B42 already

[jovial hedge]

while its disappointing that we wont get all the features on release, its also better for us since its gonna be content updates to be excited for, instead of getting everything in the build from the start and after a week be like "b43 when?????"
Especially for the people who advocate for "small frequent updates" rather than large builds

now that i think about it, b42 is also a huge bugfixing build.
this makes me wonder, unstable is usually the buggy build, but will it be more or less buggy than b41? since its also a bugfest 😂

[low spear]

This is what I am most excited for now tbh

[low spear]

I imagine less buggy than B41 was when it first launched onto IWBUMs, there was a ton of missing animation states and such. In fact if you go back to video footage of first release of B41, vs now it is pretty mind blowing.

Obviously there will be bugs, but I can't see it being anywhere near that

[half coral]

Back when objects were still 2d sprites

[pallid flare]

Ok, thank you so much Bren!

[timber egret]

theyre so cute !! actually really good drawn or made or pixlefarted

[glass forge]

spears in PZ are amazing since build 41

back in build 40 the spears used to have pool cue models and swings like baseball bats

[dawn prairie]

Hello

[sudden sable]

how long do yall think multiplayer will take to be added to build 42?

like when build 42 is released

[glass forge]

its best to start with single player for now.

[gloomy copper]

There were no spears

[jovial hedge]

yeah def less than release of b41 unstable. i’m talking about 41.78.16, if b42 unstable would be less buggy than the state we have right now since b42 is also a huge bug fixing patch

[low spear]

mmm fair

honestly yea I would imagine so, there is a ton of bug fixes they have done that haven't been released yet

[jovial hedge]

because automatically we assume “unstable = buggy” yet it also fixed thousands of bugs we have rn, so maybe it’ll be more playable than stable 😂

[low spear]

yup yup

I feel like the bugs might be with the new systems we get to fool around with

[jovial hedge]

wonder why they don’t release them. i’d only assume because of mods

[low spear]

the bug fixes?

[jovial hedge]

yeah

[low spear]

cause they would have to maintain two different subversions

it would be a pain

[glass forge]

once build 42 arrives RIP to mods until it gets updated.

[low spear]

that was one of the reasons they decided to move people off of stable bugfixing and move them to the internal builds

[jovial hedge]

my fav part about the build wym. I love a fresh start with a clean slate

[jovial hedge]

i see

love how you can see the use of a square brush 😂 for the trees

[glass forge]

I always start a new world when ever a new build arrives and get used to the new features.

[low spear]

gonna have to anyway with B42

[jovial hedge]

gonna be forced to anyways lol

i don’t even have a world rn

character died like 3 weeks ago and i’m like yk what im waiting for b42

never realized how stale the game feels knowing what’s coming

or when i’m doing something that will get changes like farming and knowing the overhaul it’ll get it feels like im handicapping myself

[glass forge]

glad that gas stations will spawn randomly as empty like in the walking dead

syphoning cars will need logical items since we can currently syphon gas using our gas cans without any item to suck the fuel out of the tank

[jovial hedge]

rly?

or bottles lol

[glass forge]

very nice

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/11/one-door-openz/ source is here

opening door animations do look nice and no more door spamming by open and closing too fast.

[jovial hedge]

oml can’t wait for 90% of everyone to be like “where’s item????” when it’s a modded item

[jovial hedge]

yeah peeking too potentially

[jovial hedge]

i don’t think it mentioned needing a siphon for the gas

[sweet tapir]

the only mod I would probably miss right away when b42 drops is the lifestyles mod

[jovial hedge]

play sims

[sweet tapir]

I used to

[low spear]

This is the sims

[sweet tapir]

fr

[low spear]

with zombies

[timber egret]

i shall miss my ratpak

[low spear]

I shall miss my wandering zombies

[sweet tapir]

the bandits mod is pretty baller too, and yeah wandering zombies is 🤌

[low spear]

I haven't tried bandits mod yet

but it seems neat

[glass forge]

cant wait to catch more types of fish in build 42

[timber egret]

animal crossing fishing contests

[glass forge]

cray fish traps would be interesting if SCS allows us to catch them

[signal tree]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3148510797

[glass forge]

lol catching shrimp despite Kentucky being landlocked.

[noble relic]

River shrimp cough

[signal tree]

Still nice to know I did not just have the last Shrimp burger on earth 😭

[glass forge]

getting mauled by a coyote when foraging in the woods.

living in the woods and having to watch out for some dangerous wildlife.

[glacial veldt]

dangerous wildlife might be a good way to nerf wilderness living without artificially making zombies attracted to you

[signal tree]

I'd like a system where if you hunt the predator's main food source (Deer, rabbits) they get more and more desperate and attack players more frequently.
Gotta find a balance and not have venison and eggs every breakfast.

[low spear]

I would enjoy this

[glass forge]

using rabbit meat or any meat to trap some coyotes

[timber egret]

can we keep their bones?!

[glacial veldt]

that seems a little goofy, you'd have to kill prey in massive numbers to affect the ecosystem

not to mention the disappearance of human life is only going to boost it

[glass forge]

eating certain foods and it gives you scraps after consumption .

eating meat and getting some bone scraps

perhaps using zombie bones to make some weapons lol

[timber egret]

god that would smell horrendous

[glacial veldt]

femurs are several times stronger than concrete, so

[glass forge]

sharpen the smaller bones to make them into weapons.

small bone knives

[glacial veldt]

monster hunter territory

[timber egret]

zombie bone shank with a chance to cause knox virus lol

[signal tree]

When are they gonna explain that brain icon they teased a while ago? I wanna know if harvested zed brains is gonna be apart of crafting?

[timber egret]

lol what brain icon

zombie brains for hats?!

[fossil monolith]

I uh... coyotes are dangerous to like cats and small dogs, it'd have to be one really determined coyote to threaten a human

They sometimes get mistaken for dogs and shoved in the back of peoples cars and dropped off at dog pounds, they are really not that threatening

[glass forge]

pack of coyotes would be more dangerous than just one

[fossil monolith]

Perhaps but they're still more of a menace to your shoes than anything else when it comes to being bitey

They're mostly harmless, mark twain just hated them so he dedicated his career to slandering them as a threat to be exterminated

I'd be more worried about a bear rolling up

[low spear]

accidently stumbling upon cubs

mama bear gonna be real mad

[jovial hedge]

i’m actually gonna be playing no zombies sometimes when this comes out

and wilderness maybe

[jovial hedge]

mussels and crayfish too

[jovial hedge]

they’re making the trap do that yeah

[mortal cove]

So, with B42 being kinda close and all that... Any news about the new mapping tools and tiles? Will they be available at the start?

[jovial hedge]

https://youtu.be/v3olwEab7Oo?si=As4Qne53pJ5YoTlx

[jovial hedge]

probably

[glass forge]

very nice and being able to catch some mussels from the lakes another good food source

[jovial hedge]

i personally find that weird

being able to catch mussels in a trap

[glass forge]

making some wild mussel soup

[jovial hedge]

lol

and they live deep not on the shore

explain that devs

[glass forge]

unless the trap is tied to a rope and you could pull it out of the water.

[carmine jay]

There's literally a whole segment of crafting around bone carving, so yes. We'll probably get to keep bones on any butchered animal.

[timber egret]

i hsall become chicken

[carmine jay]

Forget PZ car races, we're gonna have PZ fishing competitions

[carmine jay]

Pumps won't need them, but we'll need hoses to siphon gas from cars, I'm pretty sure.

[low spear]

correct, hoses are going to be apart of the siphoning process now

[mild blaze]

Idk why i read this as horses on my first pass. I'm like, what?

[low spear]

🤣 not yet

gonna have to wait for behavioural tree AI to be in the game for that

[thorny nacelle]

What would be the best game AI for Project Zomboid to use for Build 43 and up?

Behavior tree (non-deterministic state machine) or finite state machine (deterministic)? Or a mix of both?

[west wadi]

This

One person isn't hunting any wildlife into extinction in reality

[low spear]

Lemmy has written papers on Behavioral tree AI so I imagine that is what will be used https://www.gamedeveloper.com/programming/behavior-trees-for-ai-how-they-work

If it is best? I donno, guess time will tell

[proper anchor]

gg all the mods

[harsh hollow]

I believe brains can be used for leather treatment. Also most probably it's animal brains and not zombies

[thorny nacelle]

Thanks.

[inner fable]

One of the thursdoids (probably ~8 in the past by now) had a video or image that showed some of the scripting for AI behavior

[carmine jay]

That was written literally a decade ago

[sleek vessel]

It's still a good insight into behaviour trees in general, and still relevant really

Running With Rifles developer even posted in that article, and that game uses behaviour trees for its AI behaviour, which are pretty smart in making snap decisions in the context of war, but that's obviously a simpler game. It's really fun to play RWR btw

Ah, the original gamasutra link had that but that site doesn't have RWR's dev

Oh, that is gamasutra now, it just rebranded nvm, they just removed comments

[sleek vessel]

Were you talking about this? https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/02/leapdoid/

[inner fable]

Yeah, I think that's the one I was thinking of—thanks!

[north bolt]

I think bows should be high priority

Melee is overrated

[timber egret]

Nuh uhh

Melee first bows 1245th

[north bolt]

We should be to throw rocks

[glass forge]

Melee is always king until NPC arrive and start using guns

[timber egret]

I aint going by no npc with a gun, i tell you that can right now

[potent comet]

Have any beta testers come forward?

[timber egret]

Wat lol

[potent comet]

came out of the closet

as beta testers

[timber egret]

Id hope not

[south tide]

They'd no longer be beta testers

[somber forge]

Let them cook up the bugs and report it. Nothing else is needed. Why share info when its not certain. Better to wait until unstable then we are all beta testers.

[north bolt]

But how will the npcs get bullets years later 🤔

Or fuel? Or car parts

[south tide]

yeah I wonder

[carmine jay]

They won't?

[tepid sonnet]

Would be awesome to see NPCs roaming around looting 🤔

Of course that depends if loot spawn is turned on.

[marble sigil]

they showed off some cool stuff with spiffo juice (factory system), so it wouldnt surprise me if atleast someone modded in a munitions factory you could get up and running

not for b42 though i dont think

[timber egret]

Yah lol would be fun just to sit and watch what they do

[carmine jay]

Maybe they'll continue some work on the factory systems at some later point to at least make it stable, and modders can swoop in and make all sorts of crazy systems. Those irrigation mods would thrive with this.

[ember drift]

Project Factorio

[half coral]

Every save devolves into monkey combat

All sticks and rocks

[north bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-monkey-fight-monkey-gif-5219878

[jovial hedge]

if it sounds that big to you to “come out of the closet” as a beta tester then maybe there’s a reason no one does lol

[low spear]

If I were a tester I wouldn't want to announce that I was in fear of getting bombarded by people asking me crap lol

That and obviously TIGS don't want that

[long brook]

i test the indie stones patience

does that count

[timber egret]

lol

[low spear]

limit testing

[jovial hedge]

just deleted all my mods

feels so peaceful now

[low spear]

[jovial hedge]

load time is wild like 10 seconds

gotta get ready for b42

[low spear]

more than likely still a few months out

[jovial hedge]

yeah ik

it gives me peace of mind

[low spear]

fair

[carmine jay]

Betting November or December

[jovial hedge]

late october -november for me

[low spear]

My thought as well, really feedback from tester dependent I think

[carmine jay]

Also dependent on whether or not there are major bugs and balancing left fixing

[glass forge]

its better for the developers to fix the bugs and other issues before they release the build 42 unstable to the public.

I dont want a broken mess of an update and the developers being hated on forever.

[raw galleon]

Guys surely b42 this month right?

[polar pawn]

[mortal cove]

I admire your optimism

[dark silo]

hopefully

maybe october

[glacial veldt]

NPCs honestly seem like a good way to introduce somewhat of an income of that kind of stuff

i believe it was said that not all NPCs will be ones that spawn in the homes from the beginning, so these other NPCs could be explained as coming from outside the map's boundaries

other states, cities, etc

[jovial hedge]

my biggest worry is that a blog post would come a week before they know a time range and how itll talk about how they dont know a date and blah blah whereas if it came a week later it would talk about the time stuff

thats what i dont like about the monthly blogs

[timber egret]

wouldnt they mention it on their twitter like last time?

[jovial hedge]

no evidence last tweet was even talking about unstable

[jovial hedge]

this is what we're waiting for

[placid girder]

wrong. We are actually waiting for the penisham festival sometime in late September

[timber egret]

WAIT YAH whers peniaham featival

[timber egret]

Lol discord gonna be hyper in 42

https://tenor.com/view/yas-cotton-candy-girl-sugar-rush-hyper-kid-excited-gif-11758657

[low spear]

https://tenor.com/view/toad-hype-overload-overload-gif-7868864

[weak spindle]

Made this few years ago for when Build 41 MP was due https://youtu.be/BxXfkM8eHpA
I feel it will be the same for Build 42 😄

[timber egret]

Lmao bruh ahahha its gonna be suvh a clustercuss

[low spear]

Classic 😂

[stray garden]

Did Zomboid just get an update?

[sleek vessel]

Yes

I was just added to the game and everything else was removed

I scream at your screen telling you it was all a plan to see if the population would survive the imminent apocalypse

Now the real game begins

(no)

[stray garden]

I was just saying since my friend got a 6.6gb update labelled game content

[sleek vessel]

That's probably workshop stuff

I imagine
some mods updating

[stray garden]

I get that, I had an update earlier for 500 bytes but he had a full on thing

[sleek vessel]

Might just be Steam updating Stuff and redownloaded the game

Either way, no update for the game yet

[jovial hedge]

goddamn food warehouses are horrible 😭 same 4 canned food and seeds

was way more interesting

[timber egret]

Yay penham

[glass forge]

[jovial hedge]

[glass forge]

religion traits that prohibit pork consumption.

[timber egret]

there , pENISHam festival!!!!

[glass forge]

cant wait to have thanksgiving in PZ glad turkeys are going to be added.

whole chicken meat would be interesting if we can enjoy a good feast in PZ with other players and NPC

[jovial hedge]

haha me

[jovial hedge]

cooking overhaul pls

seriously can’t wait for the next gen mods after b42

so many good crafting mods will come out

maybe even building your own gun from scratch without minding how unrealistic it is to know how bc that’s what i need

[jovial hedge]

don’t forget to add a skinned raccoon model on the table later

[timber egret]

lol

[glass forge]

raccoon meat stew

[signal tree]

October earliest, November latest is my guess.

[timber egret]

NoooOOo diablo 4 expansion comers out

do it on halloweenis

[glass forge]

not many blog posts left in 2024

[carmine jay]

4 max

But there's some confidence it will be in 2-3 months

[twilit citrus]

[twilit citrus]

confidence from who ?

The player base ?

[timber egret]

they dont give etas so to me when they say officially something is going to release its going to be by the end of the year or earlier in my eyes

[twilit citrus]

Yeah exactly

Confidence from the community, no official words

[glass forge]

maybe we could get some content creators getting ealy access to build 42 before the public.

[timber egret]

lol id get jealous i want my my chickens

[glass forge]

catch some chickens before the zombies eat them

rotisserie chickens for PZ would be interesting

chickens giving lots of fresh eggs for renewable sources.

hearing the sounds of roosters crowing would be a good sign that a chicken is nearby

I wonder if indiestone will allow for some random generated spawns of chickens and coops in the city.

backyard chickens in a suburban neighborhood

[timber egret]

when can put duck in birthbath , thanks

[glass forge]

having birds use the bird baths would be nice

[carmine jay]

You don't need an official eta for the Thursdoid to give you confidence

[potent comet]

I have that exact coup

Coop

[jovial hedge]

we got half of cortman messages in a week

[jovial hedge]

procedural wilderness would be amazing if those shacks could be spawned in too.

[glass forge]

perhaps indiestone is running out of things to show us for build 42 and people are not talking as much unless we got off topic

[jovial hedge]

well more like it was showing we wereee talking a lot

[glass forge]

any month from now we could see build 42 arrive

maybe even weeks

[jovial hedge]

prob months

like 2

next blog post might tell us if it needs weeks not months though like b41 did

[signal tree]

I mean, when the last blog was titled 'Tidy Up Time' it's a good sign they're putting the finishing touches on B42 unstable.
I'm curious what they were referring to in b42 that wasn't fun.

[timber egret]

theyre making out lunch for us

https://tenor.com/view/snoopy-lunch-food-to-go-food-ready-for-school-gif-17238212

[jovial hedge]

we alr know this tho

they been in polish phase for like 2 months

[jovial hedge]

and boring stuff might be how slow it is to craft since everything seemed to slow down like farming time, crafting ingredient requirements, etc. A lot of work to really go from the ground up in b42

I JUST NEED THAT VENDING MACHINE

[signal tree]

I just want my sheep, pigs and chickens (Not sure if my safehouse's yard would be big enough for cows in the beginning.)
Also excited to see all the map changes!

[timber egret]

I forget about that, im gonna make my chickens pay for their food

[jovial hedge]

in this economy i don’t blame you

[placid girder]

perfect

[inland oxide]

Would zomboids even attack animals? Or are we playing by Max Brooks rules where animals instinctually know something is infected and won’t even pick at corpses, let alone get near live zomboids.

Also, rum ham festival is better fite me

[timber egret]

nopers they said they wont attack animals

zombies would probably snackle them up lol and wed cry

"whers muh chickens!!!"

[inland oxide]

Makes sense, if they cant infect the animals why would they bother

[glass forge]

most birds would fly away to avoid getting killed or squirrels would climb a tree to escape its predators

[timber egret]

lol if they attacked animals it would probably be like, where are all the zombies ?!

[glass forge]

sounds of roosters crowing calling in some zombies

butcher an animal and hearing it scream calling in the zombies.

[timber egret]

if roosters wake us up im chucking it lol

[low spear]

https://tenor.com/view/rooster-morning-wake-up-coffee-gif-16798398310940450532

Tbh I would like that as an alarm clock

[timber egret]

lol

[low spear]

In pz

My characters usually get up early anyway so that I don't waste sunlight

[carmine jay]

They did say that the noises animals make will draw zombies and possibly tear your fences down, leading to lost livestock.

I wonder if there are gonna be mods to make vegan alternatives to animal butchering.

Like fake leather instead of tanning animal hides.

[low spear]

wonder what the range will be

[jovial hedge]

never heard that

i know “foxes” will come to eat ur chickens if u don’t close ur pen tho

[timber egret]

i was randomly watching someone tann leather on youtube and it looks hard lol

[sweet tapir]

yeah its time consuming as fuck and hazardous

[timber egret]

ew i didnt think of the ickies :x

[sweet tapir]

the only major hazardous thing is when youre using limewater to soak your rawhide

its pretty caustic

[timber egret]

is that to remove some skin bits n shit?

[sweet tapir]

yeah it begins that process

[timber egret]

🤢

[sweet tapir]

it pretty much goes like
SKin > Soak in water > Scrape hide > Soak in limewater > Scrape some more > Tan in tannin > Maybe some final scraping > Possibly soak in even stronger tannin > Leave it to dry

[timber egret]

that sounds like it wuold take SO LONG

[sweet tapir]

depending on hide like a cows hide it can take weeks

actually not weeks, it can take months to fully tan a cows hide

[timber egret]

[sweet tapir]

idk if b42 will necesarily have us spend that much in game time on a cows hide, but since farming itself is having realistic growing times then I wouldnt be surprised

Like, if it was 1 to 1 with realistic growth times, we'll see cabbage taking like 10 days to mature to 6 months to mature

Tbh a cows hide can be all that you need for leather for a long time anyways unless you need alot to make a lot of armor or something, since like with really good leather its actually near impossible for human teeth to break through good leather

[timber egret]

i wouldnt mind if its within a decent pz timeframe if that makese sense

like in between looting and doing shtuffs

[sweet tapir]

for sure, or you could also use smaller hides to get leather in shorter times, obviously in smaller batches

but by smaller that would definitely be like pig skin or sheep skin, getting leather from varmints doesnt really work out

[timber egret]

lol 500 tanned rats for 1 leather strip!

[jovial hedge]

cows take 2 game years to fully grow soooooo

[wind loom]

what i want to know about is how big the basement under the millitary base will be

[jovial hedge]

can’t wait for more props that do nothing and computers

[glass forge]

using a computer to play some video games on floppy discs

[timber egret]

and you need all the discs to play

[glass forge]

we need some arcade machines to play some games

[jovial hedge]

arcade machines are getting new sounds atleast

[potent comet]

Cafe?

[low spear]

Catfe

[potent comet]

Chicken

[glass forge]

glad vending machines have some better use now

not sure how the soda vending machines could be broken into unless using a generator after power outage

[sweet tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/stamper-printer-scanner-smash-crowbar-gif-16183525

pov: I find a mountain dew in the vending machine

[west wadi]

Easily

Very easily.

[timber egret]

wait will we need to give it money now to get stuff out of it lol

https://tenor.com/view/peeking-window-stare-looking-gif-16933676

the last bag of chips when im struggle bussing n starving

[glass forge]

snack vending machines could be broken into since it has glass.

one logic for vending machines is have different soda brands for logical purposes.

randomize the fictional soda brands

[low spear]

Me when I see snacks

After not eating for days

[timber egret]

yay no more cockroach

[low spear]

🎉

[placid girder]

me when I see an overpriced Spiffo in a MP server

[timber egret]

lol noo the big spiffo for 500 beans

[jovial hedge]

spiffo easily 500 beans

[low spear]

selling spiffos in MP servers

[carmine jay]

WORTH IIIIIT!

[placid girder]

then the Spiffo plush gets stuck

and the server admin has BreakVendingMachineGlass = false

[jovial hedge]

jams would be funny

[carmine jay]

I'm genuinely curious if TIS plan to make it so that vending machines can't be broken open to let us just take everything inside.

Like, imagine having a baseball bat and crowbar, but being unable to get the snacks from a vending machine without change

[half coral]

You get shot by an invisible sniper if you even think about it

[signal tree]

Been loving the stone axe as my main weapon, but I keep hearing how people love the spear.
Is it just the basic spear, or is it worth it to add attachments?

[timber egret]

i tried spear for the first time outside of fishing , i can see why people use it , pretty op little slice n poker

[low spear]

at least in vanilla it is best to just use the basic spears as it is not worth using the duct tape to add attachments (better to use that on things like repairing things like axes) - there is a mod somewhere that adds the ability to use ripped sheets to attach things which makes upgraded ones better.

[warm lintel]

Billions must wait…

[low spear]

Trillions even...

[sweet tapir]

yeah the melee weapons overhaul makes spears really nice especially since you can use chipped stones as a spear head

[low spear]

and the most important spear attachment of them all

[mortal cove]

They spent so much time making the plunger spear. They could have B42 released by now

[low spear]

[jovial hedge]

am i the only one that doesnt like the plunger spear 😭

[timber egret]

TAKE THAT BACK HYPNO

i bet if it was a bow n arrow plunger youd be all for it huh

[jovial hedge]

my perfectionism cant take hearing stab sounds with that

[timber egret]

fess up !!1

[jovial hedge]

🤤

[timber egret]

lol

[long brook]

I was kind of disappointed to see this
the blog that talked about most of the spears we know getting removed made me think that were going to go away from "dumbshit strapped to the end of a spear" which is far too effective in current b41.

[plain token]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they at one point talk about a fire update for B42? Did they finish it or drop it, or am I hallucinating?

[long brook]

they said the fire rework is up in the air for if itll make it into B42, definitely not going to come with IWBUMS

[plain token]

IWBUMS?

[inner fable]

“I will back up my save.” Unstable release

[plain token]

Okay, thanks

[inner fable]

You're bienvenido

[glass forge]

spoon attached to a spear is weird

[timber egret]

No i wabt my plunger!!!

[plain token]

Thanks!

[low spear]

❤️

[oblique jolt]

Who says they'll be effective

[timber egret]

lol

EXACTLY, gosh its art

[long brook]

I suppose I cant know until B42s out since they haven't detailed all the balance changes but if spears still have the instakill mechanic from B41 itll be effective

[jovial hedge]

what about a plunger

[glass forge]

plunger is the most weird weapon for a spear since its a blunt

[jovial hedge]

okay so you’re consistent

thought you’d be like “that’s fine tho”

[glass forge]

next thing we know they put a nightstick or a hammer for a spear attachment.,

very silly attachment.

[jovial hedge]

only thing i like about it is that there’s a use for the plunger besides using it as blunt

[glass forge]

plumb the sink or toilets

[jovial hedge]

honestly the lack of clogged or unflushed toilets is the most shocking part

water is too broken in this game past power shut off

[glass forge]

having a toilet flushing system would be nice.

[mortal cove]

We should be able to wear plungers as hats

[jovial hedge]

i always thought this too

[glass forge]

being able to take a shower would be nice to wash off that blood.

[jovial hedge]

frrr that could def be possible

well it’s def possible actually, just do sink animation but in a shower 😂

[mortal cove]

That's what happens when you clean yourself using a bathtub

[jovial hedge]

any source of water does that so

i just hate washing myself up like that, showers should speed it up a lot

takes like 3 hours to wash urself

[glass forge]

perhaps indiestone could nerf the sinks so that no more water in the pipes after shutoff.

[jovial hedge]

could cut down to 30 mins

[jovial hedge]

thats a nerf i would love

electricity is too grand for its sister shut off to be useless

i think you should be able to fill sinks

[glass forge]

water shutoff are a joke and not needing to stock up on water ahead of time.

another solution is larger water bottles to collect some water

water dispensers are very useful but having them spawn with no water in them would add a challenge

[jovial hedge]

i think that’s the best idea

instead of every house having 10 units of water on shutoff in sink pipes, you’d have to fill the sink beforehand to get to 10 units, and after shutoff it’s the same as pre nerf, but it eliminates NEW houses from having the water. pretty much u having control over what water source having water after shutoff

[glass forge]

2 litre bottle of soda and can be used as a water bottle after drinking.

[jovial hedge]

i need those jugs in dispensers to be removable

maybe make it like generators

wait no u can store generators

[jovial hedge]

i they’re adding new containers

forgot what blog it was recent

[glass forge]

I remember those canteen water bottles are getting added.

[jovial hedge]

hydration pack should be cool

wonder if it takes a slot tho..

[glass forge]

another solution is to have a water treatment plant and sewage plant for PZ maybe turn the water back on.

[jovial hedge]

u wear it on ur back

[glass forge]

very nice

[jovial hedge]

sadly not

[glass forge]

glad a compass it getting added to PZ.

[jovial hedge]

i like the diff designs, tho id rather a different sports bottle design over the 5 diff canteens 😂

variant*

[timber egret]

i went to one of those for a stupid field trip in the 90s when i was a kid lol

such big turd soup so gross lol ,then the clean water was stored in such a odd looking basement thing with stairs going into it

[harsh hollow]

I saw devs video showcasing it and I just don't get it. Isn't it completely useless?

[glass forge]

gas mask would be more useful for the sewage plant.

[timber egret]

could be useful for people who have maps disabled i guess, but i dunno cause 99% of the time im using pz map lol

[glass forge]

its crazy that the minimap was added despite it being a "no" on the suggestions section of the forums

[timber egret]

yah the suggestion thingie some of that stuff is old lol but some basic stuff that def should be no need to stay on there lol

[harsh hollow]

Nah, I mean... camera always positioned same way and never moves. There's no need to check your directions if they never change

[glass forge]

next thing is the developers add a arisol can and lighter for flamethrower.

[jovial hedge]

A GPS would be a better item

like in Ark

shows ur coordinates

could be an item with a display or an item where it shows a text above ur head after left clicking or smth

compass yeah useless

haha

[harsh hollow]

One should mod it so compass always points in a way that Westpoint is its west point

Just for giggles and no reason other than that

[timber egret]

maybe its for roleplayers

[harsh hollow]

I feel like all of those bandanas/dust masks/gas masks/ oxygen tank mask and filters/tanks for them are made just to add airborn infection option to sendbox

[timber egret]

dont forget corpse sickness!

[glass forge]

being lost in the woods and trying to find your way back

[harsh hollow]

I ain't believe they did it just for generator fumes and corpse illness

[glass forge]

tear gas for PZ would be interesting but only for NPC

[harsh hollow]

Not really a legit reason to make such a complicated mechanic

[low spear]

GPS in '93 were so rare only the ultra ultra rich and the military had access

[timber egret]

why not lol

i think it adds immersion

since there is no use for them right now, which is kind of odd in itself

[low spear]

As for water in the pipes after shutoff, have you ever shut off your water main before? It can last a very long time (I did it recently cause the place I moved in has a ((stupid)) smart device attached to it and it last me about 2 days of normal usage) - I do think water should go bad after a while but even then that should take a while

[timber egret]

we had ours go out during that texas winter storm , filled our tubbies up for being able to flush , but for a while after the water was turned back on we had boil notices i think for a week

[low spear]

I think once human NPCs are in the game it will be less of an "issue" cause they will be also draining water from everywhere

[timber egret]

LOL NOO

the toilet water devourer

[low spear]

[timber egret]

i always thought it was weird how theres consistently full water everywhere , i figured some people would have taken some water

[low spear]

Same haha 😆

[jovial hedge]

duh that’s why we raid the military

[jovial hedge]

gas masks are gonna work in b42

[low spear]

sure, but would eventually stop working - probably pretty quick due to orbital decay

[jovial hedge]

dawg we’re not a million years in the future😭

[timber egret]

lol

[low spear]

Doesn't take a million years for satellites orbits to decay..

[timber egret]

what happens when pz reaches year 2000 ingame does it flip out like y2k

[harsh hollow]

I've been talking about b42

[jovial hedge]

is the knox infection not specific to… knox county?

[low spear]

no it is global, according to the in game lore

[jovial hedge]

is it rly

[low spear]

it is

[jovial hedge]

but how are the devs working on the game rn then?

[timber egret]

lmao stop

[low spear]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-26166638

||By day 18 Billions are dead from the Knox Infection across the globe||

[harsh hollow]

There's no real military objects tho. Only hastily made barricades near Louisville and a place in the woods that everyone calls "military base" but It looks like just some sort of research facility

[low spear]

I have a feeling that facility is going to get expanded there is the elevators there and with the basements update that is a likely target... what they will add? who knows

[jovial hedge]

i’m sure a military research facility would have a gps

[harsh hollow]

Oh, there's also training camp in a forest. But still no warehouses, airfields, hangars with equipment, absolutely nothing worth raiding

[jovial hedge]

they did say they’re adding knox fort whatever it’s called

fort knox

[low spear]

they want to eventually, but not in B42

[jovial hedge]

same with gps so

i can wait

[low spear]

welp if they don't there is always mods

[timber egret]

isnt it already there

[jovial hedge]

mod yeah

[timber egret]

hope theres 500 zombies so you guys cant get in there

[low spear]

500? easy

[timber egret]

is this just some museum thingie

[low spear]

5000

[timber egret]

YOU KNow hat i meant lol

[jovial hedge]

yeah nothing about what this even is lol

[timber egret]

lol

[jovial hedge]

you can see they worked on that area though

[timber egret]

wheres a clearer picture!

wth is that

[timber egret]

thxn lol

march deathridge gets a lake

[jovial hedge]

mid ridge

[timber egret]

riverside will be the BEST EVER

[low spear]

more lakes!

[jovial hedge]

so

seems like this is on the bottom?

or maybe that little strip in the middle

sorry gonna spam i need to compare side by side

[timber egret]

can we sleep in coffins

awh that house looks cute

at least my house is thre

[carmine jay]

It's theorized that this is a prototype of Fort Knox

[timber egret]

make it a death trap worse than a mall!!

lets see you guys get in there

[carmine jay]

It's for new players to understand that North isn't up.

[timber egret]

north is whats where looking down

are we a god

its like tha tblack and white game

[glass forge]

abandoned town is a good place to have a base in the trappers house or the large abandoned factory.

[plain token]

I'd love this if those made you swing it like a really long stick instead of jabbing

[glass forge]

attach a hatchet to the end of spear

[jovial hedge]

actually

with this in mind we should be able to make improvised long blunt if we can make improvised spears

like night stick on a stick 😂

[north bolt]

We should be able to make baseball bats

[low spear]

We might be able to with all the systems coming

And if not then mods 🤓

[plain token]

The system I want most of all is limb damage on zombies, personally.
Might come in 43, but with how much would go towards NPCs, more likely 44

[low spear]

Yea I have been wanting/waiting for that since the tech demo 😉

[glacial veldt]

tbh, if you had the option, there's no need to explicitly make a baseball bat

a baseball bat is, in all technicality, just a club

[glass forge]

cutting down certain trees should have different types of wood like oak , birch , pine to add a nice attention to detail for building that nice base and even some flooring.

[placid girder]

toilet paper armor

[timber egret]

lol

wait i want tp armor!!!!

[jovial hedge]

carving will probably get you a wood bat?

metalworking for metal bat

but we'll see ig

[mild blaze]

A properly fashioned bat is going to be more durable and easier to handle than a raw tree branch

[glacial veldt]

you can properly fashion anything out of wood and it'd be stronger than a tree branch

my point is that a baseball bat is too much work when you're making something from scratch

it's like blacksmithing a butterfly knife instead of a hunting knife

[tall venture]

the vibes are a lot better in here than I have seen them

people's fears that they will not see b42 until next year are fading and the joy of anticipation is returning.

[placid girder]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-project-zomboid-fireman-gif-6939276086176865399

[mild blaze]

That makes sense yeah i see what you mean. It dont gotta be a perfect regulation bat, definitely

[timber egret]

[thorny nacelle]

I nicknamed my wooden spear, the "long stabby thing".

Thank the Australian's TODAY news crew for the nickname.

[oblique jolt]

It's not

[gloomy copper]

Literally never heard that theory before

[twilit citrus]

It's not new

That's true, it's the current theory about that fort

Prototype idk, but it is theorized that it is supposed to be Fort Knox

Tho we don't know why it is here

[gloomy copper]

well now we know that theory is wrong then

[twilit citrus]

Tbf he didn't give anything else

It'll stay Fort Knox until we get more info on it

In the mind of everyone at least

[gloomy copper]

A dev just came in here and said it wasn't

Seems more like it's just some unfinished historical fort.

[twilit citrus]

Ngl, that doesn't matter, people will want to give it a name or explain what it is and that hundredth comment of a dev will get lost, the theory of it being Fort Knox will stay is what I meant

[gloomy copper]

How popular is the theory? I've never seen anybody claim that.

[twilit citrus]

Any video talking about mentions it like this I believe

[long brook]

yeah ive seen it a fair few times

but if pat says it aint than it probably aint

unless hes trolling us

[glacial veldt]

The theory is literally about anticipating what the structure might be

What’s the point of continuing to believe the theory when it was just debunked

[inner fable]

I just like spreading misinformation on the internet

[plain token]

Based

[plain token]

Also, I can't wait to play nrw version on old save and realize how fucked I am because basements don't spawn or something

[bronze jolt]

I doubt old saves will be compatible with the new update.

[long brook]

pretty sure they said they werent going to be already

[twilit citrus]

Old saves will be completely incompatible

For a simpler reason than what you guys are thinking of: they are remodeling huge parts of the map, not just adding new ones

So even if you manage to load your old save, you'd have completely fucked cells and buildings

[plain token]

That makes me want to forcefully load it even more

[twilit citrus]

That'd be fun to see the effects but ngl I would be highly surprised to see it working lmao

[jovial hedge]

map chunks themselves were reworked

not just updated visually

[twilit citrus]

yea ik

[jovial hedge]

so u prob won’t even be able to get in the game

[twilit citrus]

Changed size

[jovial hedge]

no like they’re exported and saved differently now or smth so u need to update

old saves will def not be joinable

[twilit citrus]

I'd be highly surprised too

Which is why I said old saves are incompatible

I think it's a safe bet saying so at least

[jovial hedge]

i never understood wanting to even play old saves in restarting straight away

fresh experience

[twilit citrus]

yea lmao

[jovial hedge]

can’t wait for tutorial menu to double in size

[inner fable]

Nearly forgot my contractual obligation for these channels, I'm losing my touch

Something something placed items, something something second axis of rotation

[plain token]

I spent so many hours on this mega safe house bro

I would not be surprised if they had an architecture to update old saves from release 41 to release 42, don't know if they'd do that in unstable because this will be my first PZ update so I dunno how they do

[sweet tapir]

my two cents on the fort knox theory, that structure cant be fort knox because fort knox is a military base at the south of Muldraugh

theres a modded map that adds fort knox as well

[turbid carbon]

We won't

[shy sentinel]

Developers should consider instead of making big updates over a long period of time, it would be better to do them little by little and release them so as not to make people wait so long between one update and another, (so that people can become more familiar with the content they add) [because in all these years with all those blogs it is very difficult for you to know every detail of each one]

[plain token]

That leads to a problem of only being able to create the low hanging fruit and spending way more resources on polishing

[inner fable]

They've considered this & have spoken here about why they don't. I'm too lazy to track one of these messages down, myself, but they're out there

[plain token]

That would work well in a game that is system-complete but not feature-complete, but that's not an accurate description of PZ

[plain token]

Good to know, thanks!

[timber egret]

last time they did something similar during 41 people got super flustered over the hotfixes and updates breaking mods and servers, think we asked for one bigger update that was more fleshed out

[ember drift]

“We want more constant updates!! 😡”
[Devs release more frequent updates]
“Why did you break all my mods 😡😡😡”

[timber egret]

lol yah they got reallly really mad

[ember drift]

Those crowds of people just aren’t really able to be pleased so it’s not worth the effort to fully appeal to them

[timber egret]

cant hurt to try i guess lol

[shy sentinel]

I freak out when I see that so much time has passed since the last update. I feel like it was yesterday the first time I played that there were no cars and you had to walk everywhere.

[shy sentinel]

You're right, but oh well...

[plain token]

To be fair, this last thursdoid they mentioned they fixed that

[shy sentinel]

But what I mean is that there are blogs that will go unnoticed for the same reason

[timber egret]

i dont understand , explain it like im 5

[sweet tapir]

Idk if the devs mentioned this, but atomic duck brought a great point that, out of all the builds the devs have released, b41 gave the devs the biggest influx of new players and revenue ever.

So, with the success they saw with b41, it isn't surprising to me that theyre taking their time with b42 and making it another monster update like b41.

[sweet tapir]

I don't remember any blogs regarding b42 going unnoticed for the past few years, they always get talked about to death

If you're referring to the other types of blogs then I agree they wouldn't get as much attention

[low spear]

Gotta make it good or it will look bad after B41's success. But that said, they have always taken their time with builds and made them the best they can be before releasing them, just had less eyes on them in the earlier days.

[low spear]

Lead dev has explained why they don't do this

[plain token]

If my opinion were the only one that mattered, build 43 would focus so hard on cleaning up the internal systems and not worry much about new content, that way the devs can do future things faster and hopefully result in better performance on player side. Then B44 would have every staff member applicable be focused entirely on NPCs stage 1

[low spear]

They currently work in a two team system (three if you count MP) one of those teams is already hard at work on NPC stage 1

[timber egret]

i dont really see it as new content but mechanics that are missing from the current state of the game that are needed , content to me would be updates that come after 1.0

[sweet tapir]

Yeah the part where Lemmy says they need to rework massive parts of the game engine, that already screams long dev time in of itself, like it's not easy to upgrade old tech it can take a lot of manpower and time

[plain token]

Cool! That's different than what I said, but ultimately I don't want to be demanding; a dev team free to focus what they think matters will always end up doing better work than one captivated to demands. But that ideal flow does involve understanding player thoughts and experiences, so I'm not going to hesitate to share my opinions (and hopefully not come off as disrespectful while doing so)

[low spear]

Yea I understand, but with B42 we should be seeing increases in performance across the board, tons of fixes that we don't currently have in B41. So I think we are well on our way to keeping B43 as NPC stage 1 instead of pushing it back. TIGS does seem to take player feedback into account so definitely good to voice your opinion! ❤️

[low spear]

Especially difficult with a from the ground up engine, that is written in a not so friendly language (java I am looking at you) like this

[plain token]

Yeah I can imagine the pain

[plain token]

It helps that my wishlist for the game is like, 4 specific items and then "keep up the good work" lol

[low spear]

😄

fair!

[plain token]

Zombie limb damage and NPCs have been both mentioned before, with the latter having the when confirmed, and honestly "revised illness systems" and "better static zombie defenses" are things that seem high intensity for low impact to most players.

[low spear]

better static zombie defense being more reasons to defend your base, like hordes wandering in?

[plain token]

Like, if you want to make a stand against a horde in B41, the only ways I know of is to use cars to cheese the zombies into being unable to touch you, or to use walls/circles of campfires to cheese the zombies into burning themselves up before they can touch you. Ideally the former would be patched out and replaced with more balanced things, like wood spikes and ways to lure them into falling into holes or off the side of your building (terrain and zombie intelligence allowing)

Also I guess sheetropes and no way for them to reach the 2nd floor also cheeses them, but that's a bit more it's own thing

[low spear]

ahh I see what you are saying

I mean me personally I just murder them the old fashioned way until they stop coming rather than cheesing

only time it is really an issue is like x8-x16 pops

but more things to defend a base with out be really nice for sure

I am not sure what difficulty you play on but in Apoc zombies will just crawl under a car to get to you

[plain token]

I thought most zombies couldn't go "time to crawl under a car"

(I don't use car walls, I just see them in servers)

[low spear]

it is % based from my understanding, so if you have like 10 zombies standing there trying to get to you a % of them will crawl under

and then once those are gone another check will be done and another wave of them will come at you

[plain token]

I 100% think a player with infinite resources should be able to set up a defense that could kill a horde of hundreds or even a thousand zombies while AFK, but IMO it should feel like a feat of infinity/prep/work, and not "this 1 weird trick completely negates the zombie apocalypse."

[timber egret]

i dont think we should ever be that safe

[plain token]

We can already be that safe in B41 because of campfires. I want something less absolute tharlat I can build into my walls, ideally.

[timber egret]

hopefully that campfire stuff will get nerfed or something

[shy sentinel]

Tell me, I've been waiting for a couple of years now, my game has run out of things to discover, so to speak, all I need is Luisville, but I'm not going to get involved there.

[timber egret]

i used that method like once and i was just likee what the hell lol

[sweet tapir]

I was gonna say that a campfire nerf would probably go against the game's survival themes, but maybe if zombies were to be caught ablaze it could just leave them charred and weakened and maybe even as crawlers, but still alive and a threat coming to you

[shy sentinel]

Thanks for opening my eyes, I can see that they know what they're doing.

[plain token]

I'm not against the campfires, I just don't want them to be the only option for keeping zombies from swarming my house or preparing for a horde that I can't beat with weapons alone, especially since they're super high maintainence

[sweet tapir]

You could always use noisemakers if you're willing to grind the electrical xp, it's a method I used to corral larger groups away from my home if I see them getting too close

[timber egret]

I think campfires should go out when trampled or something depending on how many

I had to tuen firespread off on my server to prevent people from cheesing zombies with fire

[low spear]

That is a big chunk of content right there for you! 😄 Was the only new area added to B41, everything else was there prior to it.

[low spear]

I turned it off on mine cause friends kept burning down their safehouses by accident and then complaining

but they stopped playing so... all alone again

[jovial hedge]

i’m starting to notice these past few months devs just pop in every week to refute someone in 2 words and leave😂

no more interest in the discussion huh

[low spear]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-joker-heath-ledger-the-joker-gif-18201880

[timber egret]

lol

THEYRE BUSY GOSH

we need different sniffer hosues!

[low spear]

frog house

[timber egret]

down at the chicken tender ranch

[turbid carbon]

Make it more interesting then

[timber egret]

what is this random shed lol

[jovial hedge]

would you kick a baby who can’t feel pain to save the world

[timber egret]

lol does the world deserve to be saved though

[low spear]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-funny-face-gif-536487951695337499

lol

[timber egret]

😆

[placid girder]

what’s in Spiffo’s Secret Sauce?

and where will it be?

[weak spindle]

This is classified information

[timber egret]

[placid girder]

lol then what can the team tell us? Will the sauce only be obtainable or will it be possible to acquire a recipe?

[weak spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/barackobama-talks-press-con-maybe-classified-gif-11864017

[placid girder]

well, I’m sure someone else other than me was dying to ask that question/get some sort of hint. We’ll find out very soon

[timber egret]

its like chickfila sauce

[low spear]

While we are asking questions... Where do you stand on the ultimate question?

[placid girder]

not sure why many are divided on that question when it should be both

[jovial hedge]

wancakes

paffles

[timber egret]

wafflecake

[weak spindle]

Neither, I'm gluten intolerant

[plain token]

Feature request: waffles

[mortal cove]

Feature request: helicopters

[placid girder]

Feature request: interactable/playable cube

[timber egret]

ther a mod for dat lol

[plain token]

Related, I wonder if when NPCs are done if we will be able to play cards with them

[placid girder]

“draw 25 or Knox Infection”

[timber egret]

Go fish but paws

[low spear]

I am sorry that sucks 😦

[jovial hedge]

sorry for your loss

though parking in handicapped areas must make it worth it

[timber egret]

Bruh lol

No sekriy sauce for you

[placid girder]

https://tenor.com/view/message-in-a-bottle-sheldon-plankton-spongebob-squarepants-transparent-glass-glass-bottle-gif-18796208

[timber egret]

Make it an unobtainable easter egg

[oblique jolt]

If you can, it'll be like the Sims, not "directly" (we're not doing poker AI)

[south tide]

Says who

[oblique jolt]

Pat_Bren

We'll end up letting our characters live play Zomboid within Zomboid

[south tide]

Not your call

Yer not my mom

[oblique jolt]

Am yer da

[plain token]

I assumed so. Definitely doesn't seem like the right game to have minigames

[turbid carbon]

Zomboid NPCs will be so complex they will ask us to give them better players to play with, so we will have to replace you all

[plain token]

Can't wait to use the lucky trait to cheese the NPCs in gambling until they get mad enough to draw weapons

[glass forge]

need some casinos in PZ

[plain token]

Yes, there definitely will be.
My statements don't rely on a single unconfirmed premise, lol

[twilit citrus]

Lol

I like that idea

[carmine jay]

Finna commission a card game mod start a casino in Louisville

[jovial hedge]

how imma be feeling

[plain token]

Anyways, between the better survivor brains from this update and the better ability to have depth in interactions like hopping fences, I bet our survivors will come out looking way more polished

[jovial hedge]

their models? no

i don’t know if ur talking about npcs or the player

[timber egret]

is that new?!

also look the lil lampys have uhh

thingie lol

[jovial hedge]

mr soul filcher what “fuel/energy by each station” upgrade were you referring to with what this new crafting overhaul fixed?

i’m here thinking it just means gas in gas stations lol but we already have that

[weak spindle]

Its not too bad tbh.... though toast do be smelling too good when you can't eat it 😂 you just have to get a little more creative with your food
Like anyone heard of 'Un-wiches' instead of 'sandwich's'?
*I'll probs say waffles tbh too as I can have the potato versions 😄 *

[jovial hedge]

What is too bad is paying more to take out gluten from bread lol seems counter intuitive

like gluten free buns

[plain token]

I meant like, as they're doing things. We won't have as much of things like when the animation jumps a bit. We certainly won't have that thing where when you're running against a wall, you visually slide half way into it before popping in front again

[jovial hedge]

oh yeah

i’m not sure if that was confirmed for release though

still not confirmed

[plain token]

I was thinking full and not unstable, and this implies to me it'll likely be in full

[thorny nacelle]

They are in the last stretch towards home base. Two words with refute powers are mightier than a long analysis of things to come.

[placid girder]

will eating an excess of spicy food confer the pain moodle?

[carmine jay]

Man, I really hope that work on the depth system comes through to Unstable release

[low spear]

not entirely to do with what you are saying... but I want there to be a favourite food on the character info tab that if you eat it you get a buff to happiness - so to go with what you are saying it could be a spicy food that causes pain but you become happy due to it 😄

[signal tree]

Eager to see the new grass and door opening system!

[placid girder]

that’d be pretty neat! It would probably be nice if it were a randomized food too (i.e. not known until you spawn in and see it in the character info tab) so that everyone doesn’t pick cabbage stew or whatever food/snack that removes the most unhappiness

[jovial hedge]

i’d pick pickled eggs idk what ur saying

[glacial veldt]

i feel like while this makes sense in something like the Sims, it wouldn't be suited to zomboid

at least, not as a permanent trait that persists through the apocalypse

it would unintentionally create a meta where people seek out exclusively their favorite foods

i could see it being both realistic and balanced if were to be something that you can lose permanently

after all, eating too much of something you like can very quickly make it something you don't like

[low spear]

Yea my thought would be it would be random. So if it is never the same it would help with to give variation on playthroughs.

[jovial hedge]

realistically it would be a green trait and for a type of food

[placid girder]

I know there’s a mod for the Twinkie van off the side of the road, but I hope they add a variation of that in vanilla

with Plonkies (remembered that just now)

[plain token]

My favorite food is [rolls RNG] Ice Cream
My favorite food is [rolls RNG] rodent meat
My favorite food is [rolls RNG] Bullion Cubes
My favorite food is [rolls RNG] strawberries

[weak spindle]

Aye, can be a pain
I just opted to go no bread, no pastry no pasta
(£1.50 for a loaf of normal Bread - £3.20 for half a loaf of Gluten free lmfao)

My character will just have to be weak stomached from now on I guess lols

[plain token]

Clearly this means gluten intolerance needs to be a trait now /joke

[raw galleon]

No clearly this means b42 this month

[carmine jay]

I think it could be interesting if the cooking system was revamped such that the character can get sick of eating similar foods every day, where if, say, you eat cabbage-based meals for breakfast, lunch and dinner for 3 days in a row, you start to get sick of it, and if you continue, you REALLY get sick of it, and the sick-of-it-ness decreases over time. Kinda like if the player had a meter for every basic foodstuff sick-of-it-ness that naturally decreases, but increases slightly every time you eat it or a food mostly containing it.

That's probably unnecessary to implement, but I think it'd be a neat way to discourage users from banking on eating the same thing every day.

[ember drift]

But I like forcing my dude to eat cabbage, cabbage, and more cabbage for the rest of his waking days :(

But I do agree, might be more of a mod thing though

[timber egret]

Down with cabbage meta!

[signal tree]

"It's not that I'm ungrateful for all the boiled cabbage....but can we please set the snare again? I won't say no to raccoon now."

[thorny nacelle]

I haven't seen any spicy foods on the wiki.

[placid girder]

Jalapeño and the Habanero pepper

[thorny nacelle]

Oh, those are definitely rare.

[half coral]

Just make eating cabbage slow as fuck

[heavy carbon]

Genuinely tweaking

[low spear]

Both can only be found via foraging atm, hoping we can grow them one day

[jovial hedge]

probably can

remember we’re getting peppers in b42 for farming

[low spear]

True

Exciting

[jovial hedge]

hot peppers

[low spear]

Ghost pepper when

[jovial hedge]

can’t wait for someone to mod in making cigarettes with the tobacco lol

[low spear]

Would a mod even be needed? I feel like they will just let you do that more than likely

Don't think it would change the games rating

[jovial hedge]

i think i heard they’re not but i could be wrong

[low spear]

I mean what other then that and making the diseased plant cure I can't really see another use for growing it

[jovial hedge]

true prob heard something else

[west wadi]

I mean rimworld did it and they're fine.

Australia went did go after them, but they went after them for much more imminent rimworld-related reasons

[jovial hedge]

i just realized does MP being turned off also turn off local hosting?

[low spear]

Like split screen? No. LAN yes.

[jovial hedge]

rip

was waiting months to play this update with someone

[low spear]

Hopefully it gets the green light quickly and gets reenabled

I am in the same boat

[jovial hedge]

how long did it take for b41? half a year?

[low spear]

Yea but it is entirely different set of issues I feel

[jovial hedge]

yeah i’m saying then this should be less time

[low spear]

Yup yup

[jovial hedge]

but also gotta remember we’re only getting like 70? ish % of the content originally planned

so work on that too which then also needs to work in MP

atleast i’ll get to play w him when there’s some more added to the build

[warm lintel]

Billions…

Billions must wait patiently…

[simple basin]

We know anything about beehives?

There will be beehives in the 42?

I saw there will be sugar beets

[warm lintel]

I hate to break it to you little bro but sugar beets Implies that the beets are how we get sugar, I doubt we’ll see bees but I’d love to be proven wrong

[oblique jolt]

Sugar bees

[simple basin]

It's ok pal thanks for the answer, just i was thinking i miss something but yeah

[harsh hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/raving-rabbids-shock-surprise-horror-gif-8957080

[noble relic]

I like the idea of taking care of animals before your own needs, but what about just pets for fun?

[shy sentinel]

I would like them to put in realistic fish tanks so that the captured fish can last a longer time in good condition. (and yes I know that the freezer is for that...)

[thorny nacelle]

Ain't nobody gonna eat that raw.

[thorny nacelle]

If tobacco is diseased, you shouldn't be allowed to use them to make cigars or cigarettes.

[inner fable]

Well, you should be allowed

Whether it's wise is a different question

[north bolt]

I mean I could see having some depression or something for same ol food

[plain token]

People talking about there not being spicy food when there's literally a hot sauce item. Spiciness is represented as reducing boredom.

Unless I'm fried-brain and accidentally molded my game lol

[jovial hedge]

that’s not a bad idea

[glacial veldt]

If we’re talking realism, wild fish are extremely difficult to keep in captivity

Lots of fish straight up can’t adapt, most need live food, and the tank needs to be kept in a very specific way

It’d honestly be an awful way to preserve fish, all that effort just to have a fish to eat later

[jovial hedge]

careful or else they’ll add a new skill for keeping fish with +10% longer lifespan every level

[glass forge]

fish farming to have more meat production

[glacial veldt]

Rivers and ponds are fish farms tbh

Artificially handling fish on any level deeper than straight up catching them starts to tread into “entire teams of marine biologists in a lab” level of work

[glass forge]

fish farming tanks

[glacial veldt]

But then you need to feed them all organic foods, maintain the quality of the tank, change out the water, monitor the breeding, etc

I guarantee you the time it takes to set that up with in game systems, you can catch more fish than you’ll put in the tank to begin with

[glass forge]

mushroom farming would be nice to have instead of just foraging for them

[glacial veldt]

Definitely, that’s way more viable

[glass forge]

having a colder room to grow the mushrooms since those fungi seem to require a certain temperature

[jovial hedge]

maybe once they add greenhouses if they do

[glass forge]

some mushrooms can grow without any sunlight.

[jovial hedge]

honestly i just wanna be able to play MP and control a certain production

that’s my style

[gusty hawk]

In one of the thursdoids at the end of a video you can see someone rolling a cigarette with tabaco and rolling paper, then smoking it. If I remember right.

[plain token]

It would be weird to have a tobacco crop and no way to make cigarettes when smoker players have to worry about eventually running out of cigarettes since they're largely dependant on looting

[jovial hedge]

cigarettes are easily good for like a half a year

after u don’t have anymore it’s not worrying since you’ll lose the trait

[timber egret]

you lose the negative trait when you stop?

[jovial hedge]

no i lied

[jovial hedge]

pretty sure that’s a mod

[timber egret]

lol i was about to say

[jovial hedge]

if i had to guess its prob SOTO

some mods are just too good that u forget what’s vanilla anymore lol

[timber egret]

i was like its a negative trait , it shoudl make you guys suffer lol

[jovial hedge]

the mod makes u lose it after a month of abstaining

[timber egret]

NO lol

[jovial hedge]

so u have to be stressed for a month

same with the alcoholic trait the mod adds

[timber egret]

no cravings or anything after?

[jovial hedge]

after a month and a half

[timber egret]

i quit smoking in 2008 and sometimes years after my fingers will be like i miss that or get odd random craving its weird

[plain token]

That's not weird, it's chemical dependency

[jovial hedge]

how old are you?💀

and it’s prob diff in an apocalyptic situation

[timber egret]

yah , i used some drug to get off cigs it was wierd

couldnt imagine doing it just cold chicken

[jovial hedge]

pretty sure it physically harms you too

if you stop suddenly

[timber egret]

is plant grown tobacco better than store though?

time to google

[jovial hedge]

yk

they also said they’re adding ways to feed the nicotine without cigarettes

[timber egret]

oh wth lol

[jovial hedge]

so maybe we can make chewing tobacco

💀well well well

kentucky wild

[timber egret]

and no its not :u

[jovial hedge]

just got in my car and i now need a summer car update in pz

felt like i was in hell

he needs to suffer like i do

also im not surprised if they make it so u can’t make cigarettes, but instead can make cigars. Unless they make it simply “paper + dried tobacco = cigarette,” cigars would be the more realistic option since the outside is also made of rolled tobacco leaves

the new farming overhaul kind of balances the types of food you get now that i think about it

takes longer to grow, so you want to plant more, but they also need a lot more care like weeding, killing pests, etc. Meaning if you don’t wanna micromanage a lot then you would grow a fairly sized but not so big field where you would get a fine amount of yield, but also cut down on managing. This then forces you to find other ways of getting food like looting or raising animals. The update finally stops making cabbage the best and easiest thing to grow without needing to leave the base now we’ll be able to have variety of food. Unless of course you do love the micromanaging and don’t mind a 2 acre field of plants lol but at that point that’s your passion

[plain token]

Actually, not tobacco, since it doesn't influence critical systems the way a lot of other addictions do

[placid girder]

we’ll hire raccoon farmers to manage our farms

[plain token]

I mean, build 43 you might be able to get enough NPC farmers to never touch the farms yourself, and to never worry about food again

[long brook]

they should have various levels of alcohol addiction for negative traits

starting as an alcoholic whos dependent enough that withdrawl would be lethal would be fun

compared to the big sad

[jovial hedge]

starting?

[gloomy copper]

Feel like that wouldn't be a trait many people take then

You'd quickly use up your stockpiled alcohol and fuck yourself over quickly in the run I'd wager

[long brook]

brewing is a feature in B42 though, and all you need is sugar for the ultimate finnish approved alcoholic drink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilju

with sugar beets coming you have an infinite sugar source

[plain token]

The only trait I really want in this game is a +0 trait to be left handed

[jovial hedge]

you mean +10

automatically -50 year lifespan

[gloomy copper]

Precisely why I don't think it'd get many people using those traits. You'd basically have to risk your life a lot to raid places with a good supply of alcohol or get into brewing.

[jovial hedge]

while it’s not specifically what i want, that’s still what a negative trait is supposed to do

[gloomy copper]

I just don't think it needs several traits for it

[jovial hedge]

you’re getting free points to adjust your play style more to that

[gloomy copper]

Just one should suffice imo

[jovial hedge]

oh multiple idk yeah

maybe if this game was russian

[long brook]

you only really need two, super alcoholic and regular

[jovial hedge]

wait a second we have irish folk

why isn’t it a trait

[gloomy copper]

Because there's no way to reliably get alcohol in current build other than raiding places with it.

[plain token]

I don't think multiple substance addiction traits is particularly of priority, as far as expanding traits go.

And each new trait is that little bit extra to overwhelm new and returning players

(Granted, a UI chang to the traits screen can reduce that considerably)

[jovial hedge]

tell em

[placid girder]

+0 trait to spawn in with a Spiffo plush

[plain token]

Honestly, lefthandedness is the only trait I particularly want added to base game, and aside from that a few things I definitely think are mod territory.

[mild blaze]

Sometimes people do this kind of thing for roleplay or a challenge, though there's no reason that cant just be mod territory

[plain token]

Think about the game balance. -10 trait, at least

[glacial veldt]

what would that even entail for gameplay

[plain token]

Hand injuries can be assigned to either left or right hand, and an injured ahnd affects your ability to perform certain actions. Plus visual distinction (I'm not sure how hard it would actually be for the animations to flip the handedness of all their animation, admittedly)

Left handed people are one of the most underrepresented minorities in fiction :þ

[jovial hedge]

realistically left handed would be a setting

[placid girder]

PZ will cease to be fiction very soon

[jovial hedge]

they’re testing how regular bites feel first

[plain token]

I mean, having it as a -0 trait would mean you can vary it with each character

[placid girder]

use a left-handed mouse + a mirrored keyboard and your characters will be left-handed by association

[jovial hedge]

it sounds jank when ur treating it as a trait just to have the system for it

it’s like using crafting to open a seed packet for example

[plain token]

Well, left handed toggle on character creation through any method

[regal elm]

Even if it's not immediately coming out, still excited! Can't wait to try some of the 42 build! 🙂 Still very much looking forward to natural craftsmanship, too. Blacksmithing, pottery and all that.

[plain token]

Yeah, can't wait to try wilderness maps!

[inner fable]

Left handedness definitely sounds more like something from a mod. Would be a neat detail though

[ember drift]

That shouldn’t be crazy difficult to implement but I don’t imagine it’s a big priority. Would be very cool though.

[sweet tapir]

will you mod in bison and lizard people into b42?
gonna add a little bit of vintage in the game I think.

[regal elm]

Lol! Game could use some vintage 😄

[opal pulsar]

It really could, maybe a couple more varieties of deer and dogs once those come out 😛

[ember drift]

I’m very excited for build 42 mods building upon the animals system

What I see now is that the only entities that exist in game are players, zombies, and cars. Mods that have tried to add new types of characters to the game (like the Bandits mod) just use zombies and slap a skin on them. With animals I hope it’s easier to make weird NPCs lol

[glacial veldt]

well

i mean

that's kind of the whole progression of the AI system

[ember drift]

Yeah, I’m just excited to see where people will take it from the beginning

[low spear]

https://tenor.com/view/l4d-witch-gif-27201907

left 4 dead specials incoming

[placid girder]

facehuggers. Death within a matter of seconds once attached

edit: ignoring that something will be implanted and burst out later

[regal elm]

Oh shoot, another awesome face to see 😄

[plain token]

Hmm... I wonder how hard it would be to make the game work as a Xenomorph survival game instead.

They're much less numerous than zombies, but so much smarter and significantly harder to harm

[signal tree]

Does anyone actually turn on zombie respawn? I've always turned it off, but starting to think it might make things a little more challenging. Now that I cleared out most of Muldraugh, there's no real danger doing my day to day tasks like going fishing or farming. I'm so safe I never bothered boarding up the house or even building walls (granted my safe house is in the gated community.)

[jovial hedge]

trying to find where the challenge is

[timber egret]

i keep mine on so i get axes n stuff

[low spear]

Could definitely be done once the behavioural tree AI is in B43+

Could make them really smart with it

[timber egret]

AKUALLY xenomorphs would take over the planet in aprox 3.5 years

[low spear]

Alien/Aliens are some of my favourite movies of all time

Love me some xenos