Tidy Up Time

[timber egret]

its quite a large overhaul too ya

[languid hearth]

okay bro lets not get ahead of ourselves

[low spear]

oh my gosh, it is so golden

[sweet tapir]

Thats what I keep saying, b42 has multiple overhauls

[cinder hornet]

"They" it was me

[low spear]

I mean if you really want to, try to develop a game (and engine - no premade engines here) yourself and see how far you get. Guaranteed it is not a quick process.

[sweet tapir]

speaking of NPCs, I love how when the argument that b42 is taking too long gets brought up, those who make that argument also seem to forget the whole team isnt solely working on b42, theres a 2nd team thats working on human NPCs that I recall

[low spear]

there is indeed

[sweet tapir]

to me that tells me the devs are getting ahead of time with b43 as much as they can to make the wait for that release shorter, but theyre human and theyre making a crazy ambitious game, and theyre doing their best with their small team

I can understand the frustration of delays and the long wait, but if youre going to solely focus on that and be upset and not take any of these other factors, including how open the devs have been, youre just bringing yourself down with dissapointment

So yeah, this thursdoid was not depressing in the slightest I reckon

[low spear]

If anything it is exciting, it being pushed to a larger testing group means it is closer to the light at the end of the tunnel sort of deal.

[sweet tapir]

yeah exactly

[low spear]

Not imminent, but getting there 😄

[timber egret]

yay

i just say its gonna drop in december, in my head, so anything before that is superduperlicious

[sweet tapir]

Im not gonna bother speculating when it'll get released, Ill just chill and wait till I see the word "RELEASED"

[thorny nacelle]

Just noticed. If in B42 MP, shouldn't both cars in different screens be side-by-side, rather than one of them being ahead of the other car towing another vehicle?

I do appreciate the desync being reduced with cars towing other cars.

[sweet tapir]

That is the ideal case, however latency is a common issue in MP games

especially considering this is teh devs first every attempt at anything MP related

[timber egret]

what is that icon at the very top

[thorny nacelle]

Oh, so that's latency.

[low spear]

look at the ping

[low spear]

haha yea

[thorny nacelle]

Yeah, 310ms

[sweet tapir]

so it isnt great, there are examples of latency being better handled by other games, but PZ isnt like other games

[thorny nacelle]

Foldable Retractable Knife

[sweet tapir]

Yeah that ping is the most telling things as well

[timber egret]

are those new cars

[thorny nacelle]

Spawned police cars and a pickup

[timber egret]

never seen the turd brown one

[sweet tapir]

Theyre the same police cars but remember the devs are adding different skins for the different towns

[timber egret]

i want the poo police car

[sweet tapir]

You know since each town has its own police force like irl

[timber egret]

ohhh okay lol duh

yay whers the riverside one

[sweet tapir]

In the devs studio

[unkempt acorn]

Of course

[sweet tapir]

Just gotta break and enter to find the truth

[unkempt acorn]

Always and anywhere

[sweet tapir]

tell all of us fanboys that were all sheep

[sweet tapir]

just a heads up we were picking fun at you

[low spear]

imagine being is a game's discord and not being a fan of the game

[sweet tapir]

What else is new

[timber egret]

lol

[sweet tapir]

troll accounts gotta troll, its their way of life

[unkempt acorn]

ok??

[sweet tapir]

yeah

[unkempt acorn]

k

[low spear]

That sounds exhausting, I barely have enough hours in the day to do the things I want to do, let alone sit there and troll

[wintry jasper]

Bit off topic: have they said anything on low tech food preservation other than "it'll be a thing and probably tied to pottery"?

[sweet tapir]

I mean if youre a man child and dont want to lift concrete and get paid for it, being a troll is probably the next best thing

[sweet tapir]

Not a whole lot, I reckon we'll see so when the release comes

[low spear]

We have seen meat drying on racks so far

[sweet tapir]

Actually I do recall pickling in barrels along with brewing

and yeah brewing is a method of preservation just fyi

[timber egret]

wasnt there a thingie for vinegar or something

[sweet tapir]

Yes

[timber egret]

that rare beast lol

[sweet tapir]

man fucking fr

[low spear]

Oh I guess it was hides being tanned

[wintry jasper]

I would love to engage with the jarring system, too bad jars don't exist in b41, must be in the river with the sledge hammers

[low spear]

not drying meat

[sweet tapir]

Yeah thats I ended up adding mods for jars in b41

[timber egret]

dude whats weird is this playthrough i have right now i have come across like 4 jars but no vinegar lol

[sweet tapir]

I mean, drying meat is fine but if I can smoke meat then Id be happy

[timber egret]

mm smoke meat logs!!

[low spear]

I would love this

[sweet tapir]

food preservation plus mod, it allows you to make ethanol and turn that into vinegar

[low spear]

especially with the tree biomes, being able to smoke with different flavour would be cool

[sweet tapir]

beef ribs in apple wood, damn thats so good

[wintry jasper]

Thanks for the mod tip

[sweet tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/good-chef-cook-food-gif-16414980

[sweet tapir]

np

[low spear]

oh that tree you chopped down was post oak? here we goooo

[sweet tapir]

if y'all ever smoke meat, youll be told to use mustard as a binder, but use ketchup instead

changed my life

[low spear]

🧐 I shall have to try this

[sweet tapir]

slightly sweet, slightly acidic, works well with fruit wood and bbq

[low spear]

I just bought a whole bunch of different wood chips to try out the other day 🙂

[sweet tapir]

what'd you get

[low spear]

reupped my Mesquite cause I was running low, some Hickory, and some Apple wood

couldn't find any post oak here sadly, gonna have to order that from somewhere I think

[sweet tapir]

I passed on the hickory personally, but mesquite and apple wood are goated

[low spear]

fair 🙂

[lucid oriole]

boys

with the lighting update do yall think emergency lights will light a wider area around the car?

[sweet tapir]

idk, not that i saw in the blogs so far

[lucid oriole]

cause rn the lightbar gives me like 3 feet around the vehicle

[carmine jay]

I give it 2 months if there are no big problems, 3 months if there are.

So a November or December Unstable release.

[sweet tapir]

I mean strobe lights irl dont have a crazy large light radius

[lucid oriole]

i mean

im my experience a cop car with its lights on can light up at least a block

[sweet tapir]

I would also not try to compare PZ's strobe lights to modern strobe lights, you already know when the game takes place

[low spear]

also it is 93, so the lights are far less efficient

[cinder hornet]

at least yeah

but the lights we have now are insane

[sweet tapir]

However I will say neon lights do have an increase in light radius so strobe lights might end up the same, dont know

[cinder hornet]

when our lights are on I can see the beaming like 5 blocks away on stop signs and stuff

[hushed apex]

That's pretty hype ngl

I always thought light bars could have looked better or have more intensity

[sweet tapir]

yeah the lighting in louiseville with that neon sign reminded me of blade runner a little bit

[cinder hornet]

they would've been pretty dull back then tbh

[lucid oriole]

this is fair

[sweet tapir]

I miss the days when the flashbang headlights werent a thing

[timber egret]

rofl right

bring back , i cant see shit headlights

[mild blaze]

Ngl, this along with high angled LED headlights is making driving at night for people with light contrast sensitivity very hard. Never had any problems before their introduction and could always see well in the dark with normal headlights. Now i can barely drive at night because everyones headlights are blindingly bright

[glass forge]

florescent light bulbs were better and less bright.

[sweet tapir]

With enough fog, even the driver of said car will have a hard time seeing with their bright as hell headlights

[timber egret]

yah , i get headaches from bright lights like that no sure why

[cinder hornet]

yeah it's really unfortunate honestly

[glass forge]

modern car headlights make me want to wear sunglasses at night.

[cinder hornet]

I hate the ones that are so bright and they're like purple-tinged

way too bright

[sweet tapir]

its because the bright lights can damage your eyes and can give you an ocular migraine

[glass forge]

jeweled headlights and xenon lights make cars too bright.

[near wasp]

No mp

[timber egret]

i cant even drive at night , everything looksl ike one sparkle lol , and they add those fancy little lights

[sweet tapir]

except for the rocks glued onto steering wheels for cleaning the soul and vibe of the car, that ones genius

[timber egret]

LOL

aligned with the stars

[sweet tapir]

Military be like "No you cant have a claymore" and I be like "hehe redneck invention brain go brrr"

[stray anchor]

agreed, they'll prolly spend one month on playtesting and then one more on getting rid of all the bugs, so my bet is on November, and then if something goes rlly wrong they might even push it to December but lets hope that wont happen

[timber egret]

buys some fertizilier lol

wait lol

[sweet tapir]

I take a visit to the innocent store to acquire my styrofoam and gasoline

[timber egret]

lol the inncoent store

https://tenor.com/view/oh-computer-says-no-hold-hands-gif-13290241

[iron wharf]

So what's new

[sweet tapir]

b42 is mostly feature complete and in bug testing and playtesting phase

[violet marsh]

🤞

[earnest nimbus]

sorry if this is an annoying question, but is there any way to sign up for testing or does indiestone have their own batch of testers? asking bc i am interested in being helpful but i understand if there's no option to sign up!!

[hollow tangle]

Same as the person from above. I would really like to help test the game. I have +400 ingame hours, which aren't much compared to other people who have thousands, but I still think I will be capable of giving good feedback

[weary epoch]

I imagine there's no option for signing up. The playtesters are probably connected to the devs in some way or they hired professional playtesters.

[hushed apex]

Yeah probably but man I would absolutely love to be one 😭

[cinder hornet]

For closed internal testing we already have QA - qualified game testers, unstable release is our public testing once the real major issues are already identified and sorted

[earnest nimbus]

that's what i thought - just wanted to ask :D good luck and happy (bug) hunting to all the testers!!!

[low spear]

Bug hunt

[timber egret]

"i like to keep this handy" roger that lol

[low spear]

"for close encounters"

[low spear]

I love this little xeno 😍

[placid girder]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-kiss-aliens-comedy-gif-11263255

[earnest nimbus]

this was the best alien sequel imo

[jovial hedge]

i expect red dead 2 interactions

[jovial hedge]

as long as IGN testers aren’t hired

“6, Q didnt cure me in tutorial”

[granite lotus]

Another great blog post, really feels like this thing's getting to the finish line ;3
Love the new weapon video, so many new items this patch I've been wanting Bad

Also version support for workshop mods is a pretty big deal. There's so many mods that have little different changes or divvy up features into More mod pages just because theres no way to separate them. Hoping this applies to things other than just version control (ex. a v42 mod that adds 2 features that allows you to have 1 enabled and not the other)

[low spear]

AMZ be slaying zoms in that video 😎

[timber egret]

Lmao

[earnest nimbus]

the video made me smile, trying to identify what each weapon was is also fun

i was telling my friends that seeing someone weild a sledgehammer to fight zombies is incredible and terrifying

[placid girder]

the squelching in that video was pleasing to my ears

[low spear]

I very much enjoyed the plunger spear

[midnight heart]

uhm…. soo indie stone

i feel like i should be nominated for playtester since i’m a “content creator”

[placid girder]

Indie Game Store*

[timber egret]

ok but will we be able to slice and dice with these lol

[midnight heart]

i forgot

[placid girder]

probably stands for Spears Too Over-Powered

[timber egret]

😆

pz community waiting paitently for 42 to drop

[wintry jasper]

What will be the new weapon niches when b42 comes out? Think longblade will need high levels to make but will still be the strongest (base stat) weapons?

[placid girder]

PZ community when B42 finally drops

[timber egret]

LOL

thats the best thing since slice penisham

[gloomy copper]

https://tenor.com/view/me-watching-my-past-self-interstellar-meme-watching-past-gif-25439819

My gaming backlog's reaction to me binging the same zombie game over and over

[bitter cliff]

Will local MP still be implemented in the unstable beta?

[hasty sundial]

If you mean by local multiplayer, one player joining from keyboard and the other from controller, then yes. If you mean connecting by LAN, I do not know for sure, but chances are no.

[bitter cliff]

Yeah I meant the first thing

Wanted to be able to play it with my girl when the update drops

[dark silo]

RAAAAH NEW BLOG POST WOOO

[hasty sundial]

Then yes, the same thing was true when we had B41 IWBUMS

[bitter cliff]

Ok good

[gloomy copper]

You're late, disappointing

[hasty sundial]

Controller gameplay is really bad however…

Should be noted

[dark silo]

just saw it lol

[bitter cliff]

I oddly don't mind it

I play on steam deck occasionally

[hasty sundial]

Alright then

[timber egret]

its great on steamdeck

[gloomy copper]

Yeah nah I don't mind controller on PZ, not as good as Keyboard but it goes good on the deck

[dark silo]

still cant beat a mouse and keyboard though

[hasty sundial]

Of course

[gloomy copper]

Well there's very few games where controller is better than KB M

[dark silo]

yeah

[gloomy copper]

Usually just fighting games

[dark silo]

fighting and driving games

[hasty sundial]

Mostly just games designed for consoles then ported to PC (ex. TLOU)

[gloomy copper]

I'd say debatable about TLOU being better on controller than keyboard, since you gotta use guns quite a lot

And it's generally better to use a keyboard and mouse for that

I guess maybe some UI is easier on controller? Like with inventory.

[hasty sundial]

The game’s aiming system was designed by the developers with controller in mind, so it’s definitely balanced do and enjoyable too with aiming assist

[hasty sundial]

Switching between stuff and some other mechanics too is easier…

[gloomy copper]

Well yeah but if we're talking without aim assist? Mouse and keyboard is usually gonna be better for it.

But on the other hand, a lot of the menus are designed with controller in mind, so it can become a pain in that regard

[hasty sundial]

Yeah, in almost every case that’s true

[gloomy copper]

Like with games having a janky feeling weapon wheel on KB as opposed to just assigning weapons to the number keys by default

[hasty sundial]

That’s why there are PC ports obviously, but yeah it’s kind of a pain

[hasty sundial]

Yeah that sucks

[gloomy copper]

I do love seeing all these crafting stuff knowing that I'm never gonna use most of it just cause I play as a hobo that lives in cars

[solemn pendant]

new blog post!

woahincredible

[verbal agate]

man i cant wait for the comments on every single mod that has ever been created to get spammed with ten "B42 mod update when" comments every hour

people already be spamming questions that are answered in the first line of the mod description its gonna be so bad lmao

[near panther]

Blocks like town blocks?

[cinder hornet]

yeah full city blocks

our lights are very bright

[near panther]

Thats gorgeous

[cinder hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

mostly this tho

outside of the truck

[tame fossil]

can we play this rn

[velvet charm]

Nope

[viscid gate]

How does this actually work? One player joining from keyboard and another from controller? I would love to know does even local LAN work since i mostly play with my bf. Kinda disappointed that we need to wait MP for little longer, neither of us want to go try unstable alone in single player.

[timber egret]

yah i was wondering too , i wanna play with my sister and hit her on the head with a sauce pan

[tame fossil]

🥹 whyyy it look to good

[velvet charm]

Well i think i can assure you it wouldnt be pretty with like bugs that softlock the entire game

[tame fossil]

true but w devs have some cinnamon roll

[timber egret]

lol

[low spear]

and @timber egret yea you just start the an SP game, and then you push a button on the controller and it will start splitscreen (up to 4 players) and then add a character creation screen for that player

[timber egret]

"devs have some cinnamon roll"

[velvet charm]

For now, we need to support them and expect they will deliver

[low spear]

and then you are good to go

[timber egret]

awesome thanks!

[low spear]

❤️

[tame fossil]

yes everyone is lucky i dont know where they live i would send cupcakes

[low spear]

all over the world at this point, but they have an office in the UK

[tame fossil]

i would i love baking and i love me more a great game

[timber egret]

you can has a friendship bracelet

[tame fossil]

yes

[low spear]

😍

[sweet tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-heavy-yes-gif-13721721

[placid girder]

what about cherry pie?

[timber egret]

lol "yes"

cinnamon roll of yes

[tame fossil]

i wish

[placid girder]

[timber egret]

shes my cherry pie!!

wonder if animals can listen to cd players

[placid girder]

and breakdance on our porch

[viscid gate]

Is it that easy? Just make character and click button on controller? Never knew this kind if thing existed

[low spear]

Yup! That easy!

[viscid gate]

Need that SP character be like in the world already? Need i adjust settings for the splitscreen or does it open automatically after connecting controller?

[brisk oak]

yo

[crude hemlock]

Hey no clue where to put this but just a heads up; the 'Weapons Showcase' video at the end of the Thursdoid should probably have a flashing lights warning.

I understand the vision with it but if I, someone with a mild sensitivity to flashing lights, is effected by the flashing it's probably wise to just put a flash warning just in-case

[drowsy trellis]

Tbh dont even know how to talk to a dev specifically but i'll leave my view here that represents a big part of the community.
1- Yes, people will complain if u release a completely unpolished build as the main version of the game, that being said releasing a beta version on steam settings(like iwbums) for the current state of b42 won't harm, while u guys keep polishing to make it good enough to be implemented into the main game version, not to say people are more likely to report bugs and find problems faster than an internal test only(i think this will slow things out too much compared to thosuands testing the new version, there could even be a thread or a form to report bugs)
2- the constant delay even well intentioned, to put out a 100% quality update out there, will also harm the community as people lose hype, modders stop modding or updating due to near/dont know when update, and bugs takes more time to appear(due to being only internally tested).
I think asking a part of the discord community for help for the testing by making b42 beta available in steam beta settings, will help this go out in the quality u guys want faster and also relieve a bit of the strain some people are having due to the unexpected delays

@sleek vessel please consider 🙏

Also sry for english mistakes

[fossil monolith]

People will complain no matter what

[drowsy trellis]

Yes it's a non winnable game, people will always complain, im judging based on the objective: get it out there on the main game asap with the best quality while at the same time giving the more active community a taste of what to expect and a way to test and report bugs on the current state.

[timber egret]

well a lot of the community wants to play not "test" things though also

[drowsy trellis]

If its released as a beta, like iwbums, you get what you sign for, youre going into the beta settings, fully aware its not finished and probally some big bugs along the way

[fossil monolith]

You... realise thats literally how we're going to get b42 right?

it's not gonna launch with a stable build

[timber egret]

Last time during build 41 they tried this and people complained about it and we asked for one big update

hotfixes kept causing problems for people who had servers and mods

[drowsy trellis]

then there is no need to strive for perfectionism at this point if people will complain either way, also one of my big points is that having people playing it makes it easier to find bugs, the whole modding community is full of people that will probally even find solutions out of the box if they manage to

[fossil monolith]

He just wants it now, saying things like "delay", delayed from what? this ain't silksong, there was never a release date

and it's not even a perfectionism thing, they've out and out admitted in the thursdoids that the first version we're gonna get aint gonna have everything in it at first

This is just politely begging for an immediate release of the internal build man

[drowsy trellis]

But where is that a negative thing.

[timber egret]

i dunno id rather have them doublecheck their biscuits, during 41 there was a linux crash that took quite a while to fix before it went out on stable branch, so just shows you anything can really happens

i thnk it was linux i cant remembers lol

[fossil monolith]

the public build comes out when the public build comes out, do you want a nightly build or something?

[timber egret]

a lot of people use mods too , so trying to do bug reports when its a mod issue or vice versa i would think would be kind of silly so i can understand them wanting to do testing in a more controlled enviorment

[drowsy trellis]

At this point you sound like someone wanting an argument

Not gonna bite tho

[drowsy trellis]

I think inviting a part of the community could be seen as a positive thing tbh, idk how that would work but a way for people to apply to test it raw and offer solutions

[fossil monolith]

Bloop, I am just tired, you are not the first

[drowsy trellis]

As i said, there is a part of community legit wanting to help it get out there faster

And not just complaining fiesta

[fossil monolith]

help get it out there faster how?

[crude hemlock]

feature complete doesn't equal anything near release build, the amount of dev between the two points is insane (cause game dev is slow and torturous)

[placid girder]

there’s no need to get B42 out faster. We can wait. It’ll come out eventually

[timber egret]

I think that is why they have their own internal testing team that is qualified for stress testing and stuff like that, i have no idea what that would even entail and I could see it being a problem with the community if it was made public that some people within the community got access before others. Also would it even be fun for us to test these things on a technical level? So many questions lol. I think I would enjoy the game better just on iwbums

[fossil monolith]

you wanna do some testing in a controlled enviroment before you throw open the floodgates and let the general public swarm you with bug reports

[timber egret]

noo thanks lol

reading bug reports and tech support threads is enough for me not to want to be involved in that lol

i am eager to play the game and really want to play it but not at the cost of whatever the word is

[glass forge]

It’s good that single player is more focused first before the MP

[crude hemlock]

iirc feature complete is like ya got the pieces in place but you need to actually work on them further before it's ready to even test in open beta. It's like the vry start of beta like there is a few stages between feature complete and an actual release candidate

[fossil monolith]

some people have mixed feelings about that ghost, yanno, the crowd who don't appear to remmember the SP game exists

I mean I get it, to some people the multiplayer is everything

[crude hemlock]

yeah nah I got some mates who really just don't find SP fun

[glass forge]

Developers nerfing sheet ropes and risk of falling

[fossil monolith]

I can see why, people and their sheet rope forts

[crude hemlock]

and I mean tbf I don't think I or a lot of people I know could climb up a multi story rope

[fossil monolith]

rope climbing takes some strength yeah, ever rope climbed in school?

kids actually have an advantage there because your legs haven't grown to full size yet

[crude hemlock]

yeah lighter weight, and even then kids fall when doing it

[glass forge]

Perhaps when NPC arrive some day single player could get more popular

[fossil monolith]

adults have a lot of mass in their lower body compared to kids, thats why kids can do monkey bars and you want to die when you try it at age 30

[crude hemlock]

just in body overall, like adults are heavy

[fossil monolith]

it's leg mass, which is dead weight when doing that sorta climbing

on the flipside the smaller the child the more their proportions are weighted to the upper body, which is why they can get away with pulling themselves around with their arms so easily

you can blame bipedalism for this

[crude hemlock]

don't you use your legs to grasp on to the rope while you reach your arms up?

[fossil monolith]

that's assuming the rope has knots and your good with those legs

[crude hemlock]

I mean zomboid sheet ropes do, you can see em

[fossil monolith]

I... would trust those for descending more than ascending I'll say that

and I hope the survivor is good at picking the right items to sheetrope with cos cotton can tear rather easily

[placid girder]

gonna climb to the 32nd floor with the sheet rope I made from just tearing up socks all while inebriated

[fossil monolith]

when I use sheet ropes from tall places it's usually to bail out of an awkward situation

[magic birch]

I would rather much prefer zeds pulling/destroying sheet ropes while you're climbing rather than a random chance to fall for no reason.

[ember drift]

Those aren’t mutually exclusive!

[low spear]

Yea you create a world, or use an existing one press a button (A on xbox controller as an example) select new player on the list on the top left hand corner, and then create a new character https://youtu.be/sbjsWgMvVYk

[viscid gate]

Cheers, thanks for help is this single player still like own worlds even though its splitscreen? I have never tried this, sorry for too much questions

[wraith zinc]

i think thats gonna lead to a lot of confusion

[low spear]

No problem! Yea it is still considered a singleplayer world, because it is all local. If the 2nd player(or 3rd or 4th) leaves you can still continue on as if it was a SP world like normal 😄

Interestingly when B41 didn't have online MP people would do this and then use Steam Remote play to play online together

[timber egret]

Lmao i had to read this 8 times

[low spear]

I didn't understand the confusion at first, now I cannot unsee

[queen radish]

Please bear in mind though, that we’re a highly moddable java game with at this time no third party anti-cheat software.

In general, there is, of course, it does not work perfectly, but it closes many vulnerabilities https://github.com/Brov3r/Protegon

[half coral]

You mean to tell me this cotton crafted these pants?

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-wheeze-laugh-nikkal-kundhal-nikkalkundhal-gif-23223780

[twilit citrus]

T

[placid girder]

[low spear]

I think they meant EAC/VAC/BattleEye/Denuvo ect 😉

[oblique jolt]

When we get Super Mutants

[oblique jolt]

Thanks, added a warning

[hardy spire]

dang i didnt get pinged again

[south tide]

Denuvo is DRM not Anticheat

Oh wait they have Anticheat lol

Isn't that on Payday 3

[carmine jay]

I've been waiting for this for a long time. I've even written sheet rope balance suggestions just like what they wrote in Thursdoid threads myself. Now we have incentive to keep stairs.

[ember drift]

I do hope that sheet ropes are safe to use 100% of the time (with like 2 floors) with no negative noodles and average strength/fitness, because if you can fall and die when at tip top shape that would be really frustrating

[inner fable]

Negative noodles be like 🍝hey fuck you🍜

They indicated that there will be a sandbox option for it at least; if it's not granular we can always switch it off if it seems too random

[low spear]

They do! It's bad, just like their DRM - From my understanding payday3 dropped any form of anticheat just before launch lol 😆

I have no idea about now

[south tide]

Oohh alright. Well that's on brand then

For Denuvo that is

[carmine jay]

I highly doubt that.
Besides, you can turn it off in the Sandbox settings.

[low spear]

🤣 true

[proven tide]

mmm negative noodles 😋

[carmine jay]

Like being over-encumbered, tired, out of breath, I guess.

[proven tide]

yeah that's what they mean, I was just being silly bc they said noodles rather than moodles

[timber egret]

But pat pls , i wanna slice n dice in style

[proven tide]

yee maggie from twd used a stop sign as a weapon once in the show, and as we all know twd is like the bible for project zomboid /j

[timber egret]

Lol SEE

[timber egret]

lol yes

[timber egret]

ok but when can we4 hit zombers with purse

[half coral]

Imagine you can and the damage increases depending on how many things are in there

Just stuffing a grosery bag with rocks and bludgeoning someone

[timber egret]

LOL hell yeah

[long brook]

I hope its overall its influenced by moodles but is mostly a weight thing for the "grace period" referenced
you shouldnt be able to take an over weight character up a rope at all and I think making it something only half or 3/4 carry weight being gaurenteed to climb.

[inner ibex]

Climbing even 1 storey is a stretch for most people. Some feedback before you fall should be enough to make it feel okay. So you have the option to abort and slide back down, or pushing your luck continuing to climb and risking a fall. As long as there’s a moment where players have to make that choice

[carmine jay]

That might be too complex for how rope climbing is implemented right now

Also, isn't climbing speed at least already limited by how encumbered you are?

[oblique jolt]

Exactly why it'll never happen. And then stuff has to spill out of it. Nightmare

[half coral]

Let me stuff the tungsten cubes

The zomvoids yearn for the cubes

[low spear]

Don't think so, pretty sure climbing speed is static right now

[thorny nacelle]

I thought with this blogpost, climbing speed will be affected by moodles?

[low spear]

Don't think so

lets take a look at that section again

moodles effect if they have a chance to fall, but I don't see anything about speed

[thorny nacelle]

Ok, muscle strain and being drunk aren't mentioned to affect speed as well.

Speed is therefore not RNG

[carmine jay]

Oh yeah, drunkenness will probably affect your rope fall chance.

[west wadi]

Look no one wants bag damage to be a thing because the primary penalty for using a bag on low durability is items falling out, and no one needs that in their life

[west wadi]

Now if we could craft improvised black jacks using coins or soap bricks or marbles or other heavy small objects, and small bags...
Best of both worlds?

[timber egret]

i do , i need to be punished

[sweet tapir]

imagine your bags having durability like car trailers, lower durability means more things falling out

[west wadi]

I'm going to beat you with hammers

[timber egret]

DUDE that should be a thing

LOL

at least with certain backpacks, i remember mine shitty school bags always ripped in certain parts lol

[wintry jasper]

Probably one of the things they're doing interal play tests for to catch stuff like that

[thorny nacelle]

How often does a backbag break in real life? I can't imagine things damaging it, let alone a zombie carrying one and you spearing into one

[timber egret]

i always needed a new book bag when i was in school lol

[sweet tapir]

The stitching on the arm straps can come loose

[carmine jay]

Seriously, though, tailoring could become a lot more important if we can craft any kind of clothing

[sweet tapir]

Oh my bad ignore my reply

[timber egret]

i think the only bag i have from the 90s is my stupid cross body cloth one

[glass forge]

looting zombies for nice clothing to wear.

[wintry jasper]

Yeah, glad tailoring is getting an overhaul

[timber egret]

only after washing

[glass forge]

I always wash the clothes before wearing them

its amazing how the zombies have such good condition clothing items.

[oblique jolt]

No

[glass forge]

looting money on zombies would be realistic it makes me thing PZ is in a cashless society

[low spear]

yea it was definitely a new one pretty much every year for me lol, I was rough on them I guess

[timber egret]

yah same lol , also freaking books back then were so heavy

[low spear]

yea they were!

[normal cloak]

so from what I gather its coming out tomorrow

[weary epoch]

You gather odd stuff

Must have maxed out foraging

[thorny nacelle]

Gambling regulations will start to revise the age rating

[west wadi]

The table game played in casinos happens to not be what I'm referring to

[thorny nacelle]

Then what is "an improvised black jacks"?

[north bolt]

I'd like to say something to the devs

Thank you for not selling out

Cuz looking at what is happening to ror2, it's abundantly clear that selling out would be a disaster for this gsme

[low spear]

agreed, every single game that I loved that gets sold turns to crap

[north bolt]

Another good example is ksp

Holy shit that is a disaster of a sequel

[low spear]

and Prison Architect

[north bolt]

God it's depressing

At least with ksp the fiest game exists

Cuz gearbox "updated" ror2

And it's baaaaaaad

[low spear]

😭

[thorny nacelle]

Me:

Everyone: "Sequels are bad, m'kay?"

[north bolt]

Except what I'm describing isn't exactly that

Ksp2 was basically abandoned

And ror2 came out amazing

And then gearbox bought the ip from the devs

And then they screwed it up

[low spear]

sequels are fine, selling IPs to big corps who have no actual love for it and just want money is not

[north bolt]

I mean I'm always wary of sequels cuz most of the time they don't end up living up to the original

Or sometimes they are just more content for the same game

Like doom and doom 2

Sometimes they blow the original out the water

Like diablo 2

But at any rate

[west wadi]

Take a sock
Fill it with the lowest denomination of coin in your region, for example, pennies
You're now carrying something that is illegal to have in most cities these days, because it is excellent at causing internal bleeding and inflicting severe damage without much effort at all.
On second thought, don't do that.

[timber egret]

BRUH LOL

[west wadi]

Normal Blackjacks still get made, they tend to use metal ball bearings in more professionally made casings, and are sold by their manufacturers where they aren't illegal, and as you might imagine, by third parties where they are.

Now, funnily enough, you could even swap the metal ball bearings for say, zomboid teeth, and steal socks from the same person you're taking the teeth from, and have a short blunt weapon that lasts essentially forever

You could also, in reality, probably make one within seconds of starting a game

So the strongest argument against the implementation of blackjacks is actually balance

[north bolt]

Take a deck of cards

Get to 21

I used blackjack in the classic thief games

[west wadi]

Pretty sure a mod added blackjack at some point

The card game and not the improvised melee weapon

[glass forge]

russian roulette in PZ

[west wadi]

Mods have definitely done that

[glass forge]

since we got some revolvers

[timber egret]

except do it with berries and mushrooms lol

[glass forge]

having mushrooms and berries being called by its species name and not "mushroom" or "berry"

[west wadi]

6 bowls of soup
One has bleach
No one took nutritionist

[timber egret]

would be fun to do if you all got bit at the same time as a way to succumb to deathies

[glass forge]

survives 100 years and not die from old age

would be cool to have a birthday for the survivor to show how old our character is when we survive soo long.

[north bolt]

You go to the retirement home

[glass forge]

spawns in a as teenager or an old man

[low spear]

We used to have an age section on the character creator/info tab

I would like us actually age though, would be so sick

[wintry jasper]

Think the issue with that is the fact which ones are poison is random each save

[timber egret]

lol get arthritis

[low spear]

[low spear]

blow out those elbows from smacking zeds for too many years

[earnest turret]

Tell you what

Don't shoot the messenger

Buuuuuuut

I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really cannot wait for the new human npcs in B42. I have been waiting forever. I am so glad that they will be out soon.

YIPPEE!

[timber egret]

you mean animals

[earnest turret]

No?

The humans are what I'm excited for

Idc about anything else

[timber egret]

arent those in later builds lol

[earnest turret]

I don't think so

[timber egret]

like build 43 or something

[earnest turret]

Are they?

But the update is coming out soon..

[timber egret]

yeah lol , were just getting animals right now

[earnest turret]

Oh dear me

[timber egret]

and crafting overhaul which is the foundation for human ones

[earnest turret]

I've been waiting for 2 years

And now the beans are spilled that I will have to wait for 3 years more

I'll be old and decrepit by then, no doubt

I am not living forever, I'm sure you'll be aware

This is terrible news.

[timber egret]

either will they? lol

[earnest turret]

This is me rn

This is me when b43 is released

[half geyser]

hey guys!

[earnest turret]

What is it

I hope you're not here for the new NPCs

[half geyser]

yh theyre coming out soon i think!

[earnest turret]

Not the human ones

[half geyser]

this is me when there are npcs in the game !!

[earnest turret]

This is me rn

I will certainly be dusty bones when B43 is released

[half geyser]

what the update is coming out soon surelly?

[earnest turret]

NOT B43

NOT B43!

[timber egret]

yah animals come out in 42

[earnest turret]

I wonder what they have lined up for B44

[timber egret]

i want muh chickens!!

[earnest turret]

Better be VR support

[half geyser]

they should make it rtx and maybe more skins like a lightning skin for the guns or something cool

[earnest turret]

The last time I saw chickens irl they tried to eat eachother

[earnest turret]

Maybe a bit more like COD Zombies idk

[half geyser]

what the heck zombie chicken?!

[earnest turret]

LOL.

[half geyser]

^this

[earnest turret]

Project Chickenzoid

[half geyser]

😂 😂 😂

imagine

[earnest turret]

Well this has certainly sent a beacon of joy into my otherwise rain-sullied life

Egads the thought of a zombie chicken sends me off m'rocker

[half geyser]

thats like thet movie pet cementry

[timber egret]

rofl

[half geyser]

with the zombie cat

[timber egret]

watched that as a kid , hell to nahh

[earnest turret]

didn't see it because my old dog Jasper was eaten by a rogue fox and didn't want to be reminded

[half geyser]

Yup, scary as hell. hate zombie stuff

[earnest turret]

That King fellow ought to stop basing his stories in Maine

Everyone knows that Kentucky is the best city

[half geyser]

California is where its at. No joke

[earnest turret]

I've heard that Bakersfield is proper good

Is that true?

[timber egret]

fucking liar lmfao

[earnest turret]

Is it bad?

[timber egret]

i used to lived there hell no lol

[earnest turret]

Oh :(

[half geyser]

Ive been there for a holiday but i didnt like it

i was too poor to buy anything

[earnest turret]

[earnest turret]

How did afford the flight

[half geyser]

walked

[earnest turret]

where do you live???

[half geyser]

vegas baby

[earnest turret]

YOU walked from VEGAS to BAKERSFIELD??

[half geyser]

had to get home to the wife and kids

[earnest turret]

What?

[low spear]

talk to me when you are at year 13 😉

[half geyser]

😍

[earnest turret]

But you said it was a holiday

Do you go on holiday to visit your family

[earnest turret]

Too blimmin' right

[half geyser]

🤑 work full time at vegas in the casino

[earnest turret]

You're like Robert Deniro from Casino

[half geyser]

never heard of it

[earnest turret]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-casino-cigarette-gif-13268414

[half geyser]

ive never met him at the casino and im a regular

[earnest turret]

Is that your job?

[low spear]

https://i.imgur.com/nHsyzg5.png

[earnest turret]

Its a film silly

[low spear]

This is me 🙂

[earnest turret]

5 squid for Projjy zomb

I wish

[low spear]

at the time we had Human NPCs though, but they would basically instantly kill you

[earnest turret]

What??

[half geyser]

conspiracy? they removed the npcs?

[earnest turret]

The reactionary faction of the Indie Stone obviously did a military coup

And took us back in time

[inner fable]

You're scaring the young'uns

[low spear]

yea in the tech demo there was NPCs, they were removed when they game launched onto steam cause they were not in a good spot

[low spear]

Sorry I am old and jaded LOL

[earnest turret]

Don't worry

I'll make Project Zomboid 2 on Scratch

https://tenor.com/view/scratch-cat-cat-scratch-sad-frown-gif-14690784596503445255

[low spear]

basically what I told someone yesterday when they were legit complaining the update was taking too long 😂

[earnest turret]

I complain that it takes too long, but I do it alone

[low spear]

fair

[earnest turret]

I scream

Anyone here played dish rookie?

[low spear]

I want the update as well, but I would rather it be in a good state before it goes public

[earnest turret]

Exactly

[half geyser]

https://lichess.org/YOiegZ4d just discovered this game apparently its even older than project zomboid

[earnest turret]

No good job has been done with haste as they say

[low spear]

Truth

[earnest turret]

I never quite grasped chess

I don't know why they have a Pawn Stars reference

If its so old how did they know about the show

Get what I mean?

[half geyser]

when you click on the thing it highlts where u can move so u just click on any of the aspaces

[earnest turret]

Oh.

Is it similar to chqcker!?

checkers

[half geyser]

yeah the board is the same but its more boring

[earnest turret]

oh dear me

[half geyser]

this is me when i see you

[dry bronze]

☹️

[earnest turret]

Speaking of board (bored LOL) games I played my old grandmother at a game of scrabble

She completely thrashed me

[earnest turret]

Fret not

[half geyser]

https://playscrabble.com/?gameSeed=eyJsb2NhbGUiOjEsImR1cmF0aW9uIjo4LCJnZW5lcmF0aW9uRGF0ZSI6IjIwMjQtMDgtMzBUMjM6Mzc6MjguMjY4WiIsIm9wcG9uZW50VXNlcklkIjoyNDYzNTU4NzZ9

[earnest turret]

Oh boy

[half geyser]

have a game on me

[earnest turret]

I'm gonna practise so that if I still spoke to Nana I could beat her at it

[earnest turret]

I won at scravvle

I am the best

[half geyser]

i was too busy laugh taking

[earnest turret]

You imp

[west wadi]

@earnest turret build 42 only has the animals
The animals themselves are however being built up using NPC architecture that will later be able to prop up human NPCs once again in later builds, and I imagine modders will have some kind of field day with it in the current version, but vanilla 42 it's just animals

[low spear]

Animal NPCs are using their own architecture and human NPCs will use Behavioral Trees tech that lemmy has been working on since 2014. Reason being is modders.

you can read about it here https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

[west wadi]

Well either way they aren't in 42

[low spear]

100%

[halcyon garden]

how can I show support 😭 excited for new update, don't mind waiting, the dev team has never failed to deliver

[low spear]

Buy more copies of the game 🤓

[halcyon garden]

haha need to make more friends to spread the infection

[low spear]

Spiffo would be proud 🎉

[halcyon garden]

[jovial hedge]

Pz should make new tracks release soundtrack purchase on steam

i feel like it’d do well

[low spear]

Do people actually purchase OSTs on steam?

[jovial hedge]

yeah easy access

and anyways do you not get the sound files?

[low spear]

now I am curious how it works, I have never bought an OST on steam - normally people just listen to them on youtube, or spotify or something from what I have seen

I have a few games where the OST has come with the game

[jovial hedge]

it double works as a supporter purchase

[low spear]

just "installed" one via steam to test, looks like it is .mp3 files

[jovial hedge]

a lot of people say they wish they could support pz more

[low spear]

oh yea for sure, not dismissing it at all, was genuinely curious

[north bolt]

We should have a donate dlc like drg

[thorny nacelle]

Could there be a simple feature where, in our character creation menu, all you give us is an empty text field where we would put in whatever biographical text we want in there, so that in MP, when people are looking at our profiles, they will read said biography?

Or maybe this isn't really suited for PZ in MP roleplaying?

[sweet tapir]

I reckon it wouldnt, in PZ roleplay if people want to get to know your backstory they'd actually have to ask about your backstory like you would in a normal conversation, at least in the RP servers I played

Making a whole biography for players to read in any RP is kinda against the point of RP in my opinion anyways

I mean, if you wanted to support TIS more you could just buy more copies of PZ and gift it to people you know or random people, I did that with some games before

[north bolt]

You can't really do that anymore

Gifting is no longer a thing

[gloomy copper]

wat

[sweet tapir]

I checked in steam, yeah you can still gift games

[north bolt]

Like being able to buy a copy of the game and then send it to someone through Invdntory

I am not friending some rando and giving them the game

[sweet tapir]

fair, cuz thats what I used to do, if I got accepted I would gift the game, say some cringe and then unfriend

[west wadi]

The whole inventory gifting that used to be a thing got cut to stem the cd k*y grift market

They made friending a requirement to slow it down to where it is more tedious to buy a game from a reseller than it is to buy on steam itself

[jovial hedge]

can someone pls elaborate on this

what is being delayed exactly?

[low spear]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/05/glowing-onez/

probably don't have all the details at this point, but archery is one of them I know that

[jovial hedge]

it feels like its sneakily slid in tho

like bows were a big thing that they were taking out and they felt bad abt it and stuff but now it seems like they keep going with it?

[low spear]

probably going to keep adding things as they push for the internal test build (and then keep adding things as the public unstable goes live)

if I recall correctly Soul Filcher gave us a list in the last blogpost chat

[jovial hedge]

so im guessing we're getting like half the stuff?

honestly i think its just extremely vague wording

its always so hard for me to understand what theyre trying to say every single time they mention whats coming to unstable

cant tell if theyre saying they are or aren't adding something

like here, are they saying butchery isnt coming on release? or is "during unstable" on release and then the mention of bows is when they mention something not on release?
cuz it doesnt make sense for butchery not to be in. we just cant get meat? lol

[low spear]

maybe they will have a temporary thing like you kill the cow and it is just meat to loot for now until they get the rest of it sorted

[jovial hedge]

im assuming theyre saying brewing, glassmaking, butchery ARE coming on release. but i THEN ask, what "crafting disciplines" are not coming?? as stated here

[sweet tapir]

mmmm brewing

[low spear]

I am searching through Soul Filcher's messages let me see if I can find it

[jovial hedge]

they showed off tanning rack and the bucket thing in the tailoring vid. if thats considered the butchering part then i dont see why theyd show it off again if its not coming

Blacksmithing, pottery/masonry, woodworking. I'm npt counting that bowmaking graph as a shown tree
The crafting system will be there, for players and modders

Yes, you're getting crafting that has been shown in the blogs. Other tech trees that would only delay unstable release will come later

[low spear]

I reread what was said it says "Crafting disciplines we WILL be bringing in during Unstable" so that is a go for butchery

[jovial hedge]

thats soul's message^^

[jovial hedge]

i know it says that. but you can also say bows are coming. its about whats being drip fed during the unstable build and whats on RELEASE is what im wondering

cuz either way its coming "during unstable"

glassmaking was never shown in blogs

so is that one? but then it says its coming and we saw a bit of brewing and butchery meaning its weird to mix it with them, so what is going on? lol

its like extremely vague, no way its just me

[low spear]

no idea but probably

[jovial hedge]

really hope they can answer this

[low spear]

it hasn't been shown off, so likely hood is they haven't gotten it to a point where it feels good/looks good enough to add

[jovial hedge]

glass? brewing and butchering has been shown off, so we know theyre coming

[low spear]

glass yes

[jovial hedge]

so if they say "glass,brew,butcher are coming"

id only assume glass is also, no?

since 2 of the 3 we know

talking about on release specifically

[low spear]

but on top of that it depends on what their internal play testers feedback, maybe they scrap some of it cause it feels out of place/too much/needs simplifying so they don't want to give too much info yet

[jovial hedge]

my main request i have for the devs

to explain what was already told in the blogs about what isnt coming ON RELEASE. the first mention in the blogs only showed the beginning stage where you werent sure, but then act like we know whats going on in the later blogs. So an update on whats NOT coming yet is appreciated

bows were explicitly told to be delayed, and nothing else was ever mentioned. So where is it told "in previous blogs" that you "decided to release the first beta without the entirety of the ‘nu-medieval post-apocalypse village’ crafting possibilities we intend in the longer term as with blacksmithing, pottery, smelting, weapon-related carpentry, carving etc"

because i only see it saying blacksmithing, pottery, smelting, weapon-related carpentry, carving ARE coming in their entirety in previous blogs, and never was told about any tree being delayed other than bows

.

first mention, shows that its not worked out on what exactly is coming, and "certain trees" not coming

second mention, shows that the list will be priority to finish. bows are said to be delayed (the only tree said to be delayed)

third mention, suddenly this whole list "as mentioned in previous blogs" ????

im all for being completely grilled on this topic, because all i want is an understanding. not even trying to win an interrogation

[inner ibex]

[placid girder]

[inner fable]

I think you may be misreading the text, which I think is reasonable because that section is written in a somewhat unclear way

Here's how I'm interpreting it, which I believe is one of the ways you called out before as what it may actually be saying: “...decided to release the first beta without the entirety of the ‘nu-medieval post-apocalypse village’ crafting possibilities we intend in the longer term [because] [with blacksmithing, pottery, smelting, weapon-related carpentry, carving etc. there’ll be plenty still to chew on].”

i.e., that entire bit at the end starting with “as” (which I substituted for “because”) is one large phrase, stating that those things which will be available will be “plenty still to chew on” without the things that will be initially excluded

On a related note: I've mentioned in the past that proofreading passes on these blogs would be nice, if that process doesn't already exist. I think that bears repeating, given this confusion. It's important to clarify that this isn't intended to insult the blog writer—programmers need QA, and writers need editors

[somber forge]

It might just mean that we dont get certain things craftable at certain stages as the system wasnt fleshed out for that stage yet fully. Which I am fine with. Means I get more new things once the MP is ready.

[ember drift]

After what happened with Risk of Rain 2, I just don’t want another botched release

Rushing things never ends well

[turbid carbon]

The tech trees are a work in progress, as the blogs said some of them are planned for unstable release, others may come during unstable. One good example is tailoring, we didn't have it listed as coming for release but that doesn't mean there is no progress being made. There will be a few recipes and we will add more later

Bowery/archery is the outlier, as people have guessed before, there are technical requirements to make it work properly

[near panther]

Is "Soul Filchers Awesome Time" making it over?

[placid girder]

I’m sure Soul Filcher is having an awesome time over at TIGS

[turbid carbon]

I will probably have more free time to think about that during unstable, but I guess some of the mods in there will be obsolete

[near panther]

Sorry I dont mean just the mod itself

I mean like the content lol

[turbid carbon]

A considerable part of the content will be obsolete, for example with masonry coming there is no point in keeping that in the mod. As I said that's for later

[near panther]

All good, just was curious

Amped nonetheless

[jovial hedge]

i see “during unstable” means in the middle

meaning glass, brewing, butchering is not on release?

[uncut jasper]

n the new tailoring changes, what are the upsides of crafting your own clothes? surely you can get better clothes off of a zombie

[timber egret]

it means throughout unstables build

[timber egret]

wearable bucket

[placid girder]

clothing acquired from zombies tend to have holes and be in lower condition. Also, if all players in a MP server tear up or burn all the high quality clothing then being able to craft your own clothes would come in handy

[thorny nacelle]

It would be nice for once for zombies to have high quality clothing. Just have only one of them spawn in places where they are isolated from others, like restroom stalls.

It makes those types of clothing renewable in a sense that it doesn't make a server completely lose all high quality clothings over time.

[timber egret]

cant you get high quality clothing in clothing stores though?

[thorny nacelle]

On a server, those will get ransacked quickly

This is MP

[timber egret]

ohhh lol yeah good luck with that

pz players trying not to hoard challenge

[thorny nacelle]

Yeah, hence it will be fine for zombies to sometimes spawn in high quality clothings from time to time, with no holes or anything.

Just gotta use blunt weapons to kill said zombie to obtain them

I feel like this is already in the game. I just wanted a dev to confirm this in B41.

[timber egret]

do zombies that spawn in ever have good quality clothing? never really payed much attention

[thorny nacelle]

I don't know. That is why I wanted a dev to confirm this in Build 41

I never gotten my answer.

It feels like this should be already in the current game. But I have no evidence.

[weary epoch]

You could just check that yourself, no? Rather than hoping a dev knows

[timber egret]

yah im gonna keep an eye out, i know for shoes theyre in good conditions

and socks lol

[thorny nacelle]

Because of how rare to find them, I can't be sure if I wanted to really look for them.

[timber egret]

youd think socks would be the first thing to lose condition since theyre shufflin everywhere

[thorny nacelle]

Like, I have some hours of playthrough, but I still never seen nor confirm to be the case.

[timber egret]

yah i just found some pants that are good quality so , seems random n stuff

[weary epoch]

God mode and high zombie count, could get through hundreds pretty quick

[thorny nacelle]

You have to kill them to be able to inspect their gears in each inventory.

Yeah

Wished there is a debug feature that lets you check what inventory a zombie has while they are still moving around.

[sweet tapir]

I think a good incentive to get into tailoring a little more is to have worn clothing degrade over time, on players and zombies but especially zombies

[unkempt acorn]

So the main reason of b42 is to increase time before having a stable source of food, water and power (correct me if I'm wrong)

How is expanded crafting going to fix that?

Or is it just an option that if you have everything you need you don't have to sit on your ass IG and do nothing, instead you can build a fuckin carpet with animal leather or a a handmade weapon

[timber egret]

offers sustainability which we dont have right now ,

[unkempt acorn]

sustainability?

[timber egret]

we need neon cross sign like from romeo and julliette !!!

[weary epoch]

You are sort of wrong. Sustainable or "stable" food probably will be a bit harder in ways, but it should also be more advanced. Water and power seems to remain pretty much the same. The Devs are pretty much trying to make project zomboid playable if you spawned in a forest with no civilization in sight

[unkempt acorn]

So they're making a new way of playing

[timber egret]

yah like right now im playing 12 months later and , no way to make bread , milk, butter, anything liek that so would be nice to be able to make those things

or like way to rpeserve food a little longer , i dont really use generators so if theres a way to have like dried snax or something that would be neat

[unkempt acorn]

I don't see much of a problem with that since we have mods 😭

And adding a new recipes shouldn't be this hard

[timber egret]

i dont use mods really

[unkempt acorn]

Then this update should be a big + for you

But npc's, man I know we have superb survivors but omg
what devs said about them is far ambitious than modders did

[unkempt acorn]

But 7dtd-without-cities style sounds good too

[sweet tapir]

The other big point for the crafting overhaul is also for the upcoming NPCs as well, with b41s methods of long term survival, if the NPCs can only do what we do to survive, it'll make things pretty shallow

So on top of the crafting overhaul to give mulitplayer servers eseentially no reason to reset their servers when loot runs dry, the obvious big deal for the crafting overhaul is to give groups of survivors reason to form proper communities and work to be good at what they do best, like you could be the best hunter, or I could be the best blacksmith, puppers could be the best carpenter

So that will obviously translate over to the NPCs as well when they come out, so long term survival for SP can essentially make late game muuuuch more rewarding

[timber egret]

yah on my server it was kind of aggravating having to mediate people sharing things, although i enjoy singleplayer more im eager to see how these changes will work for servers long term

[sweet tapir]

Yeah this is why there are mods like Yakis makeshift clothing, the scrap armor/weapons mods etc.

[slate terrace]

If metalworking (ie blacksmithing and smelting) is coming with first playable b42 iteration, one wonders how to source the materials...just smelting metallic objects or possible to find natural ore?

[sweet tapir]

Yeah in knox county you can obviously source steel from literally everywhere

in the wilderness maps the devs will add iron nodes that you can harvest from

[timber egret]

i know they mentioned being able to dismantle train tracks, i forget which blog it was

[sweet tapir]

On top of that, potentially use a strip of the track as a makeshift anvil

[slate terrace]

Assuming the said ore would exist in the base map wilderness sections. Since we're supposed to be able to source materials without looting towns or civilization in general

[timber egret]

yah that lol

[sweet tapir]

I reckon they are not adding any iron nodes in the vanilla map no

[slate terrace]

then it is not what was "promised", not having to venture into towns at all

[fossil monolith]

I think they're randomgenning some in the woods? it's a bit of a stopgap

[sweet tapir]

It is promised, in the form of randomly generated wilderness maps

having iron nodes in knox county is kind of off putting and pointless

[fossil monolith]

stopgap

[slate terrace]

forced to play full wilderness maps in PZ to access natural sources of metal is off putting to me

[sweet tapir]

If you say so, but in knox county there is an abundance of raw metal to work with already

[fossil monolith]

The intent is to reduce reliance on looting in towns, iron nodes is not a permanent solution and not what they want to have in the end, it's just something to source iron from

[sweet tapir]

if you wanted to play in a wilderness map with ore, again the devs are adding that option

[fossil monolith]

Sleip, you gotta understand, in MP servers which they are catering for with the systems, towns get stripped bare in a matter of a couple weeks

relying on scavenging in urban areas is all well and good in SP runs

[timber egret]

foraging for scrap woudl be fun

[sweet tapir]

not only just reduce reliance on looting in town, you obviously will still feel compelled to loot towns especially for materials/tools/food

I imagine that with the crafting overhaul all of those are possible, but as the game sticks with its realism, making your own off of the wild would be time consuming, difficultm, and obviously nowhere near as effective as modern equivalents

[slate terrace]

something like this at minimum would be dreamy, I don't like pretending that the USA doesnt exist in PZ at all so I can harvest some ore

[fossil monolith]

the idea is that there will be ways to get up the wholeass tech tree without having to relying on scaveging in buildings, though obviously looting in town is a fast track and modern power tools probably aren't be handcrafted

[timber egret]

like theres lots of places i dont even bother going to because theyre just useless to me like that railyard by muldrag, dismantling train tracks will def give me more reason to visit theres

[sweet tapir]

yeah like, already the crafting overhaul is really reminding me of CDDA's crafting, not in the sense that you can put a laser minigun on a humvee, more like if you want to live solely in the woods with no civiliation, youre gonna hate it and youll probably starve to death if you even dare to try

[timber egret]

this crustball lol

[fossil monolith]

anyways the iron nodes sticking out the ground concept is very much a placeholder for a future method of mining

[slate terrace]

don't need a fully fledged iron mine or something, as they might not exist in Kentucky in real life at all, but some super desperate sources for metals as last resort would do it for me

[sweet tapir]

yeah even the devs agreed that random iron nodes poking out of the grass is very video gamey

[slate terrace]

ie making it very inefficient

and very time consuming, but its there if you are in no place to visit a town for any reason

optimally looting the hell out of the civilization for mass production

[timber egret]

yeah thats one thing that i dont like in valheim lol is the freaking mining

[slate terrace]

but if you wanna willingly suffer as caveman, you can enjoy your negative IQ sourcing

[slate terrace]

I always keep thinking back to Vintage Story (thanks PrivateLime), where you have to start your metal production by doing that goddamn slow river sand sifting to get minimal scraps to get tools to get to the real deal

[sweet tapir]

and foraging, I get what those devs are getting at but its a time sink

[timber egret]

yah its cool theyre giving people options , pretty neat they think about all the different playstyles

[sweet tapir]

ayyy vintage story, great game

[slate terrace]

it is

I keep referring to it a lot when thinking what PZ could have

because that game sure gives you some hell of a primitive time

and it doesn't seem to have real civilization in that one specific game mode, so you HAVE to live like the world never had metallurgy to begin with

[sweet tapir]

meanwhile you can get a bronze pick from a surface ruin but yeah

[slate terrace]

once you get going and get basic tools from bare minimum scrap, you can upscale the production

[slate terrace]

I play the mode where there are no ruins, whatever it was called

[sweet tapir]

I mean, so far from the blogs Ive read, B42 will have quite alot of parrallels when it comes to primitive survival much like VS does, I even think theres going to be even more options for crafting in B42 than VS has as well

[sweet tapir]

homo sapiens

[slate terrace]

Fuck jutting iron nodes, industrial mines, gimme some absolutely hellish scrap ore sources that makes me want to gouge my eyes out, so the option is there, so I can utterly be a caveman

[timber egret]

collects paperclips

lol finally a reason to smelt hole puncher

[slate terrace]

...can you forage utensils or paperclips via foraging in game atm?

[sweet tapir]

yeah you can find random junk in PZ

[timber egret]

i have no idea , i have never foraged hard core befores

[slate terrace]

well maybe you can in specific locations

but I was thinking of deep forest forage

[timber egret]

i saw someone on my server forage a purse before by that lake near muldrag lol

[sweet tapir]

deep forest its currently possible to find some random junk, but its stupidly rare and you need to be near high level

[timber egret]

who was out there dropping their purse

[sweet tapir]

probably some poor lady that got chased by the undead

[slate terrace]

eh, I'm gonna stick to the dream of tiny scraps of natural ore via giga effort and low efficiency for those bad days

what good is living if you cannot compliment it with suffering to make it worth it

[sweet tapir]

Yeah if thats your playstyle, go for it

[slate terrace]

I thought of making massive zed population and other harder settings than I am used to, so I can take the cowards way out and suffer in the woods

[timber egret]

omg lol , id feel horrible

[sweet tapir]

yeah its the games story telling at work

[timber egret]

yah i love that , love the house stories n stuff and making up little scenarios in ym head of what happend

[slate terrace]

toilet paper houses felt horrible until I realized the value in 200+ TP rolls equal to godly amount of tinder and fuel

each toilet paper ark being what, 15 mins of fuel, and how many arks per roll??

[sweet tapir]

toilet paper houses are a treasure trove since I play with the lifestyle mod

[timber egret]

lol yea tp rolls are op

[sweet tapir]

I can top that, a single log gives you a consistent 6 hours of fuel

[timber egret]

its weird how theres no limit for fuel lol

[sweet tapir]

Its just another one of those small things that probably needs a nip and tuck from the devs

[slate terrace]

I want to know where solar power is in the year 1993

maybe "too easy" but realistic

somehow tying myself around gasoline sources doesnt tickle my post apocalyptic new world senses right

[sweet tapir]

I wouldnt say too easy, like they do fit in PZ buts not like you can just be a novice with electrical work and just know how to set them up, much like with the generator

and solar panels also wouldnt always provide a consistent source of power so I wouldnt even rely on them to keep my freezers on

[slate terrace]

or things like storing food in ground cellars (hello new underground layers)

[sweet tapir]

yeah cellars are nice

[slate terrace]

Spiffo what

[timber egret]

lol

[slate terrace]

I should play Vintage Story

cold ground cellars somehow please me more than they should

there's just something right when food stored below ground level has an expiration timer of "3 years" and then thinking back to PZ about even surviving 3 years, let alone have enough gasoline to power a freezer for 3 years straight

[lament orchid]

Gas Gangers

[timber egret]

lol thought you said gangsters rofl

[slate terrace]

nothing wrong with gas, or maintaining a generator, but vanilla PZ doesnt have best options for storing the said gas

wheres me big gas tankers??

[lament orchid]

That works too

[timber egret]

sounds likes ome npc faction lol

[lament orchid]

That's the idea

[slate terrace]

"Is that a gas canister in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

[timber egret]

lol

[lament orchid]

12 gas cans

[timber egret]

let me get a slice

[lament orchid]

You can have a bottle

[timber egret]

npcs gonna be stingy lol

[slate terrace]

npcs gonna get sniped from a rooftop

if they dont behave

[lament orchid]

I give you: A pint of gas
You give me: All your food

[timber egret]

lmao

[slate terrace]

a world war between me and npc factions is no biggie when I already have to deal with zeds

sure they might have guns and vehicles, but by the time we have npcs, I should get a ghillie suit and throwing spears

[timber egret]

me sending in my chicken that i trained to steal food

[lament orchid]

Chicken bomb

[timber egret]

bruh lol

[slate terrace]

Engineering, live chicken combined with remote controlled flame bomb

[timber egret]

noise maker chickens as a distraction lol

[lament orchid]

A meal and a murder

[slate terrace]

its not animal cruelty if you yell "THEYRE COMING RIGHT AT US"

[timber egret]

https://tenor.com/view/link-zelda-cuckoo-illestzz-run-gif-16788331

they better attack us lol

[lament orchid]

I saw the animations for chickens fighting each other

So maybe

[slate terrace]

https://j.gifs.com/yg1R3X.gif

[lament orchid]

Oh, could we possibly get better projectiles for weapons like RPGs? I remember playing around with them a while back and they had some wonky flight paths

[slate terrace]

Sometimes, when you see a zombie horde, you just might feel like some Surfin' Bird and heavy weaponry

I don't see devs adding military mass destruction types of things to the vanilla game, but a guerrilla style spike traps and so on (that currently can be done via some mods?) to become a one man army would be fun

[timber egret]

bear trap to put infront of my friends house pls

me: lol wat happen? howd that get thar

[slate terrace]

a little bit of severe wounding in the feetsies didnt kill anyone

[timber egret]

im surprised not wearing socks with shoes doesnt damage feet or something

[slate terrace]

dont give them ideas, filing feet crust is something I dont need in a game

[timber egret]

lol

eww lol

[lament orchid]

There is a mod that makes use of graves, you can dig up a grave and put in 5 spears that instant kills a zombie when it walks over it, but this breaks the spear

[slate terrace]

yeah that mod

traps like that for zeds so we dont have to hope for grenade launchers

[lament orchid]

Are there any fixes for the bombs on MP? I heard that there was a bug with the remote detonator or something like that

[carmine jay]

feet crust
Ah great. Now I'm hungry.

[timber egret]

[carmine jay]

Regarding metal harvesting discourse, I think the devs said that they didn't want people relying on looting and/or scavenging for everything, not entirely allowing players to stay in the deepest areas of the woods.

[slate terrace]

give me digging the riverbeds for scrap, or give me death

latter more likely to happen if I have to spend entire day on it but it is what it...might be

[carmine jay]

You'll probably have to rely on mods for that.

[slate terrace]

I'll never stop dreaming

but in a pinch I can start collecting spoons

hardly an unreasonable ask if its similar to same inefficiency than it is to find boxes of shotgun shells in deep forest forage loot table 😄

[thorny nacelle]

I actually think the main reason for B42 is to improve the late-game gameplay loop. Everything you said is right, and they all are improvements to the gameplay.

[unkempt acorn]

I've been almost everywhere, know each item that exists, know most of the bugs and glitches and other things

yet I never really tried trapping nor fishing

So new fishing system would change that 👍

[sweet tapir]

yeah fishing in b41 is pretty much just runescape fishing

[carmine jay]

One thing that's been bugging me about the new fishing

So, we have this new minigame when we're throwing a fishing rod towards a lake, and that's all well and good, but what about spear fishing?

[low spear]

We have not seen the spear fishing mini game, hopefully it is good

Unless they change it, spear finish is best until you have leveled up your finish so your lines are less likely to snap

[carmine jay]

If there is one implemented yet. Imagine B42 drops and the team realizes they forgot to add the fishing minigame for spear fishing, and either it's incompatible, maybe even crashes the game on trying, or we have to endure standard fishing before we can actually do the fishing minigame.

[placid girder]

I hope they keep spear fishing automatic in a sense and I would prefer that it didn’t have a mini-game

being able to speed up time when it comes to certain tasks such as fishing would be great

[low spear]

Feel like that would come up in internal QA

😆

[inner fable]

Right lol, can't imagine a crash from that

I think the worst case if untested (unlikely) is that it'd just behave like the regular fishing minigame

[unkempt acorn]

If I would have to guess it would look pretty similar but instead of trying to hold that white triangle on green... thing, you would just have to click in the right timing

something like crowbar minigame in better lockpicking mod

[low spear]

Would make sense, it is the same dev 😉

[unkempt acorn]

Really?

[low spear]

Really! Aiteron made the Better Lockpicking mod

and was later hired by TIGS

[unkempt acorn]

I didn't knew devs make mods

Oh alright

[low spear]

most of the devs actually came from the modding community at some point or another

[carmine jay]

That reminds me, they also wanted to add a new lockpicking minigame to the game. I'm guessing something similar to like Skyrim and Fallout. Or maybe even Oblivion.

[unkempt acorn]

Yeah I heard that about what was his name... Soul fincher?

[low spear]

yup Soul Filcher is from the modding community as well originally

[unkempt acorn]

And now he's working with others

[low spear]

Another good example would be RJ

!RJ

D: They removed RJ!?

Anyway RobertJohnson made a farming mod during the tech demo days and was hired by TIGS and implemented it into the game as a full system

[gloomy copper]

A significant amount of the Devs were former modders

[low spear]

Erosion was originally mod too

[unkempt acorn]

The first ones too

Idea about making their own game was later

[low spear]

Technically yea, they were Sims 3 modders

[unkempt acorn]

So that's why zomboid is as it is...

[low spear]

[unkempt acorn]

Literally Sims with zombies

[thorny nacelle]

If that happens, I don't even think it will make the devs feel relieved to release to Unstable.

It will grind their intestines.

[carmine jay]

Have you SEEN the tile editor tool? It's practically just Sims 1 build mode

[unkempt acorn]

I've seen a lot of debug mode things I accidentaly opened

[low spear]

yea check out TileZed

and WorldEd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKMrQsxyXTQ

Another person who was a modder (map maker) and now works for TIGS

[low spear]

maybe the command I did doesn't like capital letters?

!rj

[drowsy dove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705490390001778789/786347953622482995/52af9b71-b8b3-4af3-9c4b-d90fb931e8ad.gif

[low spear]

ah there he is! Good boy RJ!

[pallid flare]

Does anybody know if wolves, dogs and bears are going to be added later on?

[oblique jolt]

Just pretend the railways are a line of iron ore rocks then, problem solved

[oblique jolt]

Spear fishing is dead in the water

[oblique jolt]

Possibly, first animal release is the ones that give leather/meat rather than more complicated stuff/combat etc.

[half coral]

Imagine you survive 10 years into the apocalypse just to die to a rabid dog

[south tide]

Used to

[south tide]

[carmine jay]

Oh, so no spear fishing whatsoever going forwards?

[fossil monolith]

Spear fishing probably wasn't very realistic to do as a novice fisherman with wooden spears

[carmine jay]

Still sad. It was a dynamic use for our spears.

[inner fable]

Humans throughout history: 🧍

Like I get what you mean, but that just means it wouldn't be realistic to initially be good at it

I'm curious as to what the hypothetical wilderness start would look like for developing fishing if we don't have that. Straight to rods seems odd

[fossil monolith]

also needs certain kindsa water

good luck doing traditional spearfishing in the ohio river

[south tide]

Not saying we're never going back to it, but we're fine with modders reintroducing it until we can add tech that'll make it cooler than what we were able to feasibly do with it until higher priority tasks took uh priority

[fossil monolith]

it strikes me as partially a gameplay thing since wooden spears are easy to make

you'd want a trident of some kind really

[twilit citrus]

I'm surprised it gets straight up removed too

[carmine jay]

Understood. Eager to see what you guys come up with sometime down the line!

[low spear]

Oh... 🥺

[low spear]

I liked spear fishing, hopefully one day you guys figure out a fun way to do it

[thorny nacelle]

Gun fishing.

Shoot into the water for fish. Wastes 1 bullet per attempt.

[sweet tapir]

Aside from spear fishing
Imagine noodling for fish

[west wadi]

Is it possible to leave the existing gameplay functionality as a sandbox option disabled by default or is it just dead dead?

[timber egret]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-pesca-fishing-fish-gif-20218383

[ember drift]

Pan fishing where you smack the water with a frying pan and pray to smack a fish

[fossil monolith]

this reminds me of how the most "successful" way to spearfish is to do it at night and then blast the water with high power lights so all the fish are just dazzled

and you spear the blinded fish

[analog moss]

the centralized block of italicized text is looking very un-italicized today

[sleek vessel]

Looks fine to me

[analog moss]

weird, maybe its just me?

[sleek vessel]

Yeah, totally just you, I didn't do anything right now

[timber egret]

lol

[analog moss]

i cant believe you would gaslight me like this

i swear thats a different image

[sleek vessel]

? That's on Steam yeah

I just edited it to add italics 😄

[timber egret]

italic lighting

[analog moss]

they leenin

[south tide]

On Steam I call it the italized block of text lol

[carmine jay]

Like Brendan Fraser?

[thorny nacelle]

Yep

[jovial hedge]

do u control sheet rope movement?

or is it a button and just automatic

i forgot

[timber egret]

just hold e

[jovial hedge]

and you can stop urself?

or is it till it reaches the top

[timber egret]

i think till reaches the tippy top

[jovial hedge]

hmm

with the new change imagine holding e then realizing ur moodles but it’s too late

you should be able to go up and down

[timber egret]

lol y i fall

[carmine jay]

Agreed

[fossil monolith]

There's a mod to be able to change direction mid-climb at least

[twilit citrus]

yea

[amber ingot]

Huh, beta out?

[placid girder]

not yet

[amber ingot]

Oh, news regarding about it when it will be out