Cortman by Night

[serene coyote]

or Monkeys Eyebrow?

[sharp arch]

haha

[wind ore]

Lol

[sharp narwhal]

They need to fire the guy who names the cities in Kentucky

[lost orchid]

pawn stars: “let me get my Kentucky names guy”

[sharp arch]

noo

[serene coyote]

I’m sure some of the devs will be happy to add London to Kentucky

there’s also a little neighborhood called Raccoon in Pike County, KY lol

[lethal flint]

They should expand the map to the east and add Cynthiana. It ain't that far away

[sharp arch]

wheres our safesnack room

[dusk verge]

I can start to see why Kentucky was chosen to be the origins of where zombie outbreaks happen.

[sonic wadi]

I hope someone somday makes an accurate version of Kentucky for the game

Funny how irl West point streets aren't even paved 💀

[sharp arch]

whys riverside in wp lol

[lost orchid]

does anyone else think that foraging feels like a tech demo?

for example all the videos about b42 in blogs showing very early examples of features where it’s obviously WIP and feels jank

foraging looks the exact same as those videos

[sharp arch]

did you ever play the older foraging?

[lost orchid]

lmao

just cuz something improved doesn’t mean it’s fixed

it’s still a small game-y menu and doesn’t feel nice

[sharp arch]

what do you want then? like a mini game where we have to move leafs ? lol

[lost orchid]

🤤

no

FIGURE IT OUT

[sharp arch]

im sure itll get fine tuned later on lol, but i think its better than it was

[lost orchid]

i just want the menu chnged

i like how it is gameplay wise

for example spiffo juice video

in the end it’s a contraption that works

but it looks hella jank

[sharp arch]

i dont remember how that looks , err i dont tink

was that the liquid thingie

[lost orchid]

the early test of machines working together to make the orange juice lol

[serene coyote]

it was WIP at the time like they mentioned, some aspects are likely improved by now or will be later on

[sharp arch]

when ui overhaul :3

[lost orchid]

i’m talking about foraging

[sharp arch]

i just want transparency option

[lost orchid]

i’m saying foraging feels like the early demo of that video but foraging is done

[serene coyote]

I thought you were talking about the “Spiffo juice” video now

[sharp arch]

again youre saying just the interface?

[lost orchid]

yeah the menu interactions and look is doodoo

[sharp arch]

im actually dumb you have to dumb it down like im 5 lol

[lost orchid]

i’m comparing foraging to that video

[sharp arch]

ahh yeah im sure theyll tinker it laters

[serene coyote]

they’re saying that they want to be fed to the raccoons

https://tenor.com/view/raccoons-preparing-gif-20690190

[lost orchid]

speaking of ui

they got no excuse now about making basic ui

the bar has been set to the max

[sharp arch]

stop lmfao

[lost orchid]

with the Zbay mod

[sharp arch]

what th ehell is zbay mod

[lost orchid]

bro it’s crazy

[sharp arch]

zuchhini!

[lost orchid]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3238680263

[sharp arch]

lol

turbos pcs

[lethal flint]

Lets be honest... The entire UI is dated af

[lost orchid]

someone had to say it💯

[lost orchid]

atleast they know that tho

i just hope they don’t end up calling it their “art style” though

[finite hamlet]

I mean its not glamorous but it works

[lost orchid]

atleast it’s not tetris inventory

this game is honestly lucky i stayed playing, i played vein for 10 minutes and i just couldn’t because of all the text UI and inventories

[lethal flint]

I've never said it doesn't work, just that it's dated. Feels like something from the mid 2000s

[lost orchid]

“it’s 1993!”

[finite hamlet]

I do agree

[lost orchid]

i really hope the b42 workbenches shown in the videos get better UI

i know it said WIP and UI polish needed, but game devs trick players most of the time by saying it when it really only needs minor polish.

i want it to mean just better UI entirely

[pine lintel]

a little needlessly cynical there

why is TIS under so much scrutiny than other indie devs

[lost orchid]

this long convo was about Foraging UI, which is a tiny window, and PZ’s UI in general, which is known as very plain

what’s so wrong here?

then all i said was i hope the “WIP” meant better UI cuz it was extremely basic for an advertised “very in depth tech tree”

nothing scrutinizing what we have

[serene coyote]

likely because many of us have high hopes and expectations from TI||G||S and the direction that PZ is going

not to diminish other games and their communities ofc

[lethal flint]

Huh? The UI being dated is a fact

[pine lintel]

no, no, i was talking specifically about Hypnotwist saying 'they said the workbench UI was WIP but usually that means they're lying'

i'm not contesting that the overall UI is a little bare

[median pecan]

My reading of that message was game devs (not specific to TIS) use "WIP/needs polish" when the more accurate phrasing would be "needs an overhaul"

It was phrased in a strange way so perhaps that's not what was intended

In TIS' case I think it's really only in need of visual improvement, though. I'm not the best judge since I'm used to the UI but imo usability isn't the biggest concern for the UI, for the most part

Some places where it's worse than others, but I think that's less on the UI itself & more on things being in places that may not be immediately intuitive. Fact of the matter is the UI ain't pretty, but they know that already

[dusk verge]

I thought the UI was paying a homage on the 1993 Windows NT 3.1 windowing system UIs.

It aligns well with the timeline.

[wind ore]

it would be interesting for game consoles to be functional in PZ

[lost orchid]

I specifically made sure to say “game devs” so you guys know i’m not saying TIS

I was gonna say “devs” at first and that obviously would cause confusion

i also said game devs trick, not lie. because nothing was lied about and i was highlighting the fact that game devs say “WIP” but in reality its not much work to be done just so players expect more and come back later

i said i hope TIS means a lot by “WIP” and not doing what those game devs do

0% criticizing, 100% hoping

[karmic prism]

you're just a bad customer and need to get blasted by spiffo's gamma radiation gun

[lost orchid]

yuh

[karmic prism]

I concur about the UI as well, but I dont mind it so much personally

[sharp arch]

Colorful uis like deus ex!

[lost orchid]

the vending machine UI looks really good though

also by no means do i think the devs don’t know how to make UI or anything ofc so hopefully they don’t think i do lol

ik they’re always improving it

also as much as it makes some hardcore looking bases, the whole “pick up dirt and lay it on your roof” thing gotta goً lol

[sharp arch]

Where

Like from dirt sacks ? For farming on roofs

[lost orchid]

yep

[sharp arch]

Lol yea thats weird

Like taters are deep rooy veggie HOW

Ceiling spuds

[lost orchid]

if devs want it then they should atleast have farming troughs

or whatever they’re called

just a rly big pot for farming

[dusk verge]

Hydroponic gardens?

[candid stag]

Sure mate

[candid stag]

I bet this building is filled with Saw-style traps

[sharp arch]

Tis office

[serene bay]

Si has been their testing branch for years, long before B42 was ever a thing

❤️

[steel basin]

как же вы задолбали, когда уже 42 выпустите?

[woven chasm]

Please keep it in English.
42 is planned for 2024 currently for unstable.

[lavish pivot]

soon

[lost orchid]

oui oui

[empty forum]

Drasvit.

[wind ore]

lol

[lost orchid]

GermanCake is typing…

[hearty sleet]

When do you naturally become less panic prone in the game without taking any traits that affects panic?

[lost orchid]

i don’t think u ever become less panicked u just recover from it faster overtime

like u gain it the same way every time but as u live it goes away faster

[hearty sleet]

Ah, gotcha. Thanks!

[final otter]

Guys it’s literally this month trust me

[sharp arch]

noo busy

[dusk verge]

What universe?

I know we have this month, but you didn't specify which universe, which star, which world, which sector, and which year.

[lost orchid]

i’m so annoyed cuz i’ve been trying to play with my 2 cousins but they’re not playing at all until the update🤦‍♂️

[dusk verge]

To be fair, they're hypeblocked.

As we all are.

[lost orchid]

one of them has like 3 hours and one has like 40 hours and they’re boutta not care abt zomboid by the time it comes out

smh

[dusk verge]

They will start caring it when the big update releases.

Right now, I have other things to care about.

[lost orchid]

yeah but i also want them to play now so they see the differences lol

[wind ore]

I feel like will achieve 3k hours on steam once build 42 finally becomes stable lol

[lost orchid]

how much left

[sharp arch]

why lol theres cool challenge modes and even cool mods thats make the game hard , i think the game is gonna be quite different from 41 so mighty as well basque in all its glory before the changes

[dusk verge]

There are beta branches still

You can revert back to B41 after B42 comes out on Unstable.

[wind ore]

I currently have 2260 hours on PZ currently.

[lost orchid]

yeah but hard to enjoy what there is now when there’s a lot coming

[dusk verge]

I only have 70 hours.

[wind ore]

I remember build 41 being availible to play I stopped playing build 40.

[lost orchid]

oh ur chilling you can prob get to 6000 hours until we’re halfway to b42

i always feel like TIS doesn’t have good managing

[dusk verge]

Managing what? If it's items, I think that's the whole point of inventory management.

[sharp arch]

why , we only see what goes on in the blogs they choose to share with us not whqat goes on behind the hood lol

[finite hamlet]

obviously that means that under the hood they open up a portal to hell every day and have to spend the rest of the day fighting off the hellspawn that emerges from it

[sharp arch]

lol

[lost orchid]

i don’t think anyone buying an early access game expects it to be in development for over 10 years and still only be halfway done

…after it releases to early access

[sharp arch]

i mean they should probably read the fine print for early access , were lucky they continue to develop the game and there are other games out there that have been in development for longer yet you dont see people giving them the same amount of fuss over it

i never will understand the issue with the development speed i think there are more important things to be worry about a game , like life , and there are many great games out there even some awesome zombie games that i wouldnt have even bothered trying if it wasnt for people mentioning them in the steam forums.

[lost orchid]

the managing part i talk about is also the fact that no matter what they do, they can’t estimate a single timeframe.

I don’t see how they could confirm 2024 early in the year, and then not be able to estimate at all near the end of it?

is it the fear that they might overshoot by a single day? cuz it would be ironic that they care about not getting it out instantly then

[sharp arch]

because , like it has been told over and over many times, if the timeframe is not reached its literally bad pr for the community and makes us not trust the company. Not giving a eta is better because life has a way of fucking things up even if you have what looks like a solid plan

[lost orchid]

except it’s only bad pr when it’s the company’s fault

meaning bad managing

[sharp arch]

https://tenor.com/view/disgust-ew-seriously-eyeroll-gif-8081658

[lost orchid]

let me give u a scenario

imagine december hits

and something bad happens

and now they’re delaying

what’s the difference there?

because the common trend i’ve been seeing is thinking that 2024 is the safe bet

so what if that goes wrong?

easy, most of the community would understand

so if they give a timeframe here, even if it’s a wide range, going past that from something bad happening uncontrollable would be again understood by most of the community

[sharp arch]

no lol

it doesnt work , they have done it in the past and it didnt work

[lost orchid]

i’m saying what if it happens for 2024

[sharp arch]

its not

[sterile wyvern]

project zomboid is a game

no one would lose their life if it didnt update

[lost orchid]

then that doesn’t make sense to be 100% sure for 2024, then 0% sure for saying “not december”

if 2024 was 13 months, they wouldn’t even say it’s not the last month

when they’re so sure here that it’s not 2025 january

[sharp arch]

i dont know what you want to hear dude lol , believe them or not

they do not give eta so when they say 2024 i believe them i guess but to each their own

[lost orchid]

i believe them, i just don’t understand the logic that 2024 is for sure but then example december they have no idea

[sharp arch]

i wouldnt call it poor management

[lost orchid]

at the END of the year almost

so i’m not even saying they should’ve known back in january like the 2024 estimate

it’s the fact that even in august they don’t know if it could be december or not

[sharp arch]

again thats an estimate like i dont know why its so hard for you to understand lol its coming in 2024 so just expect demember

[lost orchid]

i understand your point

i know what’s going on

it just doesn’t make sense

[eternal otter]

It will always be the company's fault by those that want to see it their way.

[lost orchid]

yeah that’s why it’s “most will understand”

and people who complain nowadays only complain bc they get support

gonna be hard to get support when ur complaining about emergencies

[sharp arch]

the "most" usually dont and those people can be pretty cruel

[lost orchid]

-when it’s delayed with no explanation

i said when it’s an emergency then it’s flipped

“nvm gonna be next year” is different than “literally cannot work”

[sharp arch]

unfounretenttnely a lot of people dont understand the difference

[lost orchid]

^

[sharp arch]

https://tenor.com/view/aliens-bishop-nope-no-noop-gif-22416062

[eternal otter]

You seem to underestimate people's capabilities t generate their own reason in their heads and ignore whatever you tell them

[lost orchid]

never, but i’ll always know that people are fueled by attention

so majority that understand will easily overpower the complainers and they’ll end up just wasting their own time

dw i won’t be mad just dm me release date

[serene coyote]

from Steam:

It’s up to the developer(s) to determine when they are ready to leave Early Access. Some developers have a concrete deadline in mind, while others will get a better sense as the development of the game progresses. You should be aware that some developers will be unable to 'finish' their game. So you should only buy an Early Access game if you are excited about playing it in its current state.

doesn’t matter what we expect. Game developers in general don’t owe us anything and nothing is guaranteed in life. They can stop whenever they wish.

Also, I’m sure they know or at least have an idea of when they want to deliver the unstable release, but they’re not gonna disclose that info b/c some will consider and spread that info as if it were a guarantee like how the “first half of 2024” situation unfolded. This has been explained before. I don’t think alluding to the “what if’s” helps either. They still have plenty of time

[sharp arch]

[lost orchid]

True on early access, but with the release date it’s just the fact that they know it will release in 2024 11 months ahead no issue, but then not knowing if it will even hit examples like december, q3/q4, and any other wide time frame or not, 5 months before the end of the year while in the polishing phase! and i’m talking official announcement like the twitter one.

The argument would be that it’ll be bad if the date is passed, which goes back to me asking why they’re so sure it won’t pass 2024, 11 months ahead, and not a part 2 announcement just over a couple months before the end of the year?

[sharp arch]

yah theres no way after that fiasco theyre going to do a eta lol

[lost orchid]

but also i’ve been seeing more people want updates and overhauls rather than new features, but it still seems like devs update things on the side and focus on new features

[sharp arch]

like adding planned features? im confused

[serene coyote]

all we really need for B42 are raccoons

[lost orchid]

i’m saying most people want updates to existing features than new stuff

u could ask anyone if they would rather have pottery or better (feature we have) and most will say latter

[sharp arch]

snack snatchers

[frail mantle]

Hey if any of the indie stone team is here, was it like this while people were waiting for 41

[sharp arch]

lol

mpwhen mpwhen

[wind ore]

waiting for build 41 to be stable man that was the good old days and the people who are asking for multiplayer.

[lost orchid]

atleast b42 instead of waiting for a big thing like multiplayer we’re just waiting for bows

[pine lintel]

Pottery

New ways to interact with the world, the ability to create pots for some crops as well as general storage applications

[dusk verge]

I just want to observe animals pooping in my farm plot.

I want to live my Harvest Moon life.

Chickens laying eggs, so much so that I can throw eggs at walls.

Growing corn, so I can feed my chickens.

[pine lintel]

I’m very curious to see how living with animals will affect the way late game feels

[wind ore]

animal poop as fertilizer would add some use

roosters crowing causing many zombies to wander to your farm.

[lost orchid]

even easier now to live 😂

[pine lintel]

ok???

[lost orchid]

personally i’m gonna jack up the farming time prob

[sharp arch]

haha , new meta event rooster calls

[wind ore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8nfYMuBzuE we need this radio ad in buid 42 lol

[sharp arch]

[sharp arch]

Can we dress up our cows

[lethal flint]

Aren't they reworking fishing for B42?

[lost orchid]

they are

[lethal flint]

Farming is also getting an overhaul

[lost orchid]

yep

it’s a step in the right direction, i’m saying it feels like they’re done on the side

step for them not u sorry lol

[dapper umbra]

Clucking Bell: If you enjoyed it, the chicken didn't die in vain!

[lost orchid]

i wanted it to be flipped. That the overhauls are priority and new features are on the side

better interaction is so needed in this game in so many ways

because modders can make features so well as long as they have the right foundation

so the devs should focus on that

[lethal flint]

Well... The line between new features and overhauls isn't very clear for B42. You could say that blacksmithing is a new feature, or that it is an overhaul of the metalworking skill

Same with hunting and current trapping

[lost orchid]

i’ll give you an example

[sharp arch]

yeah im confused by what you mean

because were going to be able to do things with farming we cant do that we need

and keep in mind this is just the stuff they choose to share with us in the public blogs

[lost orchid]

yk what maybe i’m wrong.

i realized most of the stuff they’re adding is unlocking new possibilities for the future

[lethal flint]

So many modding possibilities

[sharp arch]

yah , its soup base for npcs later on im sure

[lost orchid]

like there’s a lot of under the hood work that’s now a lot better

so the overhaul stuff might be better for later

i’m just worried of adding features on top of weak code

like where a cow is just a bunch of zombies fused together…

[lethal flint]

Talking about the current thursdoid... I liked the old Cortman medical . I liked how it was just a regular house turned into a doctor's office

[sharp arch]

what lol

[lost orchid]

lol it’s not but that’s an example of how you’d make a cow if u didnt make good animal code

like league of legends where everything is a minion..

[sharp arch]

i mean they said ai would be basic i think in one of the earlier blogs , not sure how much that has changed since that blog came out though

if that is waht you mean

[lost orchid]

maybe he made some money after that

[lost orchid]

i remember them saying it would be bare minimum AI. Looks fine to me though idk

animals are dumb anyways

[lethal flint]

Considering how long the whole thing is taking, I'm sure they are rewritting lots of code. Adding new items to the game doesn't take long if you are using code that is already there

[lost orchid]

b44,46 hopefully just keep improving the base game

as long as modders have some organized tools we’re set

[lethal flint]

We are in desperate need of a first aid complete rework and an expansion to current vehicles

[lost orchid]

the big 3 are first aid, vehicles, and UI

i’d say

theres hundreds to list though if i kept going. Purely on what we have now that needs an update

[lethal flint]

Vehicles ain't that high on the list. There's work to be done, but they are mostly fine

[lost orchid]

well i’m just in love with having a vehicle that i care about

where i’m able to customize it to the max and stuff

that’s why it’s what i’d say is the big 3

actually

[lethal flint]

We should be able to add metal stuff to our cars and turn the game into Mad Max fr

[lost orchid]

maybe food over vehicles…

[lethal flint]

Nah, food is fine

[lost orchid]

like food, cooking, and eating all in one

i don’t like how the calorie system is

[sharp arch]

what dont you like about it?

[lost orchid]

yeah that’s why i love the modded cars. I heard that the code for these types of cars is all done but devs just didnt implement it lol

[lethal flint]

Try Sapph's cooking mod. Vanilla food might seem simple, but believe me that you don't want too much. It gets overwhelming fast

[sharp arch]

i want dried meats!!

jerkys!!

[lost orchid]

i think we’re getting that idk

unless drying is just for hide

[lost orchid]

again not just new stuff

they confirmed a food overhaul idk if u saw

[lethal flint]

I don't remember that

[lost orchid]

this was like 2 months ago

[lethal flint]

Okay I don't use twitter so I didn't know that lol

[sharp arch]

the snackery update

[lost orchid]

they post teasers there sometimes

but yeah i want food to actually be important to manage

maybe the new bows will add better throwing in general

for molotovs or bombs

if arrows are made well

[wind ore]

Food is going to be more fun to make in build 42

[lost orchid]

why

[wind ore]

more recipes , food types ect

[lost orchid]

i don’t remember them touching food in this build tbh

besides animals

[wind ore]

glad chickens will have renewable egg source and cows having milk to renew

[lost orchid]

i think they confirmed wheat for farming? if so then maybe i can make homemade burgers

[lost orchid]

yes but remember not to leave their udders full for too long

they also generate most milk during pregnancy

the more i talk the more im confused why they said it’ll be basic AI😂

I love the pickled egg video, but i hope it doesn’t pickle instantly and they changed it to have to wait a couple days

[final orbit]

i wonder if they made nutrition realistic how hard itd be to survive in the post apocalypse strictly adhereing to your vegetarian trait.

[dusk verge]

Basic AI pathfinding?

Or Basic AI decision tree?

Or Basic AI finite-state machines?

[pine lintel]

presumably animal AI

where all they need to do is walk around, eat, avoid danger, and sleep

they've talked before about complex plans for survivor AI

[lost orchid]

i feel like that could be advertised as the full animal update

what could be enhanced about animal ai?

thats pretty much them irl

[pine lintel]

idk what you mean

[lost orchid]

like what could make the ai more complex

[pine lintel]

application for human survivors

[lost orchid]

like for animals

[pine lintel]

that's basic

that's why animals are first

[lost orchid]

okay yeah so ur saying animals use the basic ai and humans use the complex

[pine lintel]

yes

not that i speak for TIS, but that's my assumption

[lost orchid]

im taking it as animals are using basic AI until npcs come out

then will be more complex

cuz they said how animals were gonna be b43 then changed to b42 and therefore will be basic AI

[pine lintel]

i don't quite know what your point is

[lost orchid]

im not making a point lol

[pine lintel]

it's animals, then survivors

[lost orchid]

im just saying they said its basic but they seem pretty complex to me

its a compliment

[pine lintel]

basic by comparison, i'm sure

especially since their plans for end-product NPCs are immense

[lost orchid]

yeah if b43 is gonna be insane already imagine 45 and 47

i hope they make b43 playable then 45 and 47 enhance

[dusk verge]

Simple AI:

If a pig is in estrous cycle, the AI should have a small chance of knocking down a human, and then start teabagging the human, giving the player maximum stress.

[lost orchid]

happiness*

[dusk verge]

[lost orchid]

dog AI send to hump nearest zombie

[dusk verge]

No dogs though.🥹

[sharp arch]

Did i just read that right lol getting bacon baggd by pig

[dusk verge]

I mean, it is stress relief for farm animals.

[candid stag]

Henry Ford said if you asked people what they want, they'd say a faster horse

[median pecan]

Yeah well Henry Ford is dead now so clearly he isn't that smart

Anyway I want a faster horse

[tall wigeon]

sucks i had a dream b42 was out

its like crack, i need it

[dire hamlet]

Also not a nice guy I heard lol

[median pecan]

A rich & powerful man from the 1800s was a bad person? Say it ain't so

[tall wigeon]

With the generation of biomes and such procedural or automatic does this open the possibility to expand the map beyond Kentucky into other states?

[compact wave]

https://tenor.com/view/ysb-gif-11728095966824807362

[dusk verge]

https://tenor.com/view/itchy-scratching-shake-it-wiggle-pig-gif-16767322

Make it toned down, and just have animals scratch fences, with a chance making the fences get torn down.

That's right, teabagging the fences and walls.

[candid stag]

No, but he knew something about cars I believe

[dire hamlet]

Your initial quote and purpose still stands. I was just being annoying and pedantic. 😇

[sonic wadi]

They already doing that with realistic farming seasons

[lost orchid]

yeah but there’s gonna be a lot of eggs prob

[lethal flint]

Horses in PZ confirmed

[sonic wadi]

And a whole lot of keeping your chickens alive

Specially since you wont grt to farm in winter anymore

[lost orchid]

well you will

just not some plants

[thick marlin]

Can probably farm animals if you have a stockpile of food big enough

[lost orchid]

where would you get animal seeds

[sharp arch]

lol

[thick marlin]

chicken seed 🥚

[sonic wadi]

As far as we know it's probably most lol

[sharp arch]

would def make "preparing for winter" betters if that is trues

[lost orchid]

it is true

“With these most plants will have a planting season, with optimal months that produce additional yields. Plants that are planted out of season will be destined to wither away and die. This means, that aside from some winter crops, winter farming will be no more.”

[sharp arch]

yay

[lost orchid]

barley, rye, carrots, cabbages, and broccoli could be winter plants

they said more are coming that we don’t even know yet and said “including winter crops” so honestly it might be half and half

[serene coyote]

Crunchy Cheetos

[boreal flicker]

I just hope that they'll make canning useful

And that we'll be able to make jerky

[sharp arch]

puffs

[boreal flicker]

To preserve food for winter

Since they'll update farming to make it more realistic

[lost orchid]

maybe the update is taking so long because they’re still writing the patch notes

[wind ore]

farming for some onions , lettuce, eggplant and corn

[dusk verge]

Kentucky exports more soybeans than corn, just saying.

[wind ore]

having lots of amazing crops to grow would add more immersion to farming rather than growing the same vegetables every time

[serene coyote]

farmers will turnip the beets when it’s party thyme

[sharp arch]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-vegetables-veggie-dance-corn-dancer-carrot-singer-japanese-snack-commercial-gif-18112140

[sterile wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1271362788723523697/1271413682940678194/IMG_7134.jpg?ex=66b73fc3&is=66b5ee43&hm=f39114f3c2326cd166d33ad847a5d7dce76fe5dfc94c46b7c604075f8b191f55&

😹😹😹

poaw huhrhg haeeehh

[sharp arch]

[twilit flame]

they're already changing it to mirror real world farming times

[sharp narwhal]

so in other words, useless

[median pecan]

I think sandbox options will still exist I think

[eternal otter]

Yeah, can't even sustain billions of humans with this useless farming!

[median pecan]

Why did ancient civilizations farm when they could just go to the supermarket? Were they stupid?

[sharp narwhal]

fookin useless

I mean, i understand realism. But if it becomes less viable that would suck

Unless we have the ability to control the temp and make a greenhouse or something

that would be awesome

[lost orchid]

when would it affect you negatively to plant besides using up a day?

lemme guess ur not gonna worry about raising animals now

[sharp narwhal]

its going to be more the "how long does this take to grow"

[lost orchid]

you don’t know cuz ur farming skill isn’t up

anyways i’m saying plants are stuff u just leave on the side and u get free food

ur not actively wasting your time farming

you don’t even need to redo the furrows with some plants anymore

[sharp narwhal]

we shall se

[lost orchid]

we been

for 50,000 years

[sharp narwhal]

we shall see in the context of the game

[lost orchid]

We will

IN 50,000 years

[sharp arch]

i dont et it

[lost orchid]

when it comes out

[sharp arch]

doesnt it get old saying that?

[lost orchid]

wasn’t the opportunity right there?

[sharp arch]

https://tenor.com/view/hehe-cat-hehe-cat-gif-23105830

think after 10 years people would have a better punchline

[lost orchid]

woah there are you saying it’s gonna take over 10 years to come out?

doesn’t that get old

jk ik u meant other way

[sterile wyvern]

B42 is probably there.

We can envision it.

[lost orchid]

yeah by going outside

[lost orchid]

lmaooo just saw someone get mad that they did the map expansion instead of working on NPCs💀💀

acting like if u can draw maps then u can make complex AI code too

[sharp arch]

its like they think one person is working on the game and they dont have different people working on different sectors

[thick marlin]

I think the map expansion is the most exciting thing for me

New places to explore

[sharp arch]

yah riverside is my favorite that whole new area will be great to explore

[lost orchid]

yeah even if it’s a lot of wilderness it’s still wilderness that’s cared for

and servers will be widespread

still standing by the fact that you’ll be seeing me in a hermit hut in any server with some chickens and keep out signs 🚬

[eternal otter]

Imagine searching everywhere for the legendary hermit who keeps the last chicken in the server

[sterile wyvern]

only to shoot him up with a 12 gauge shell

[sharp arch]

will hire assasin

[lost orchid]

BRING IT ON

[sharp arch]

[dapper umbra]

Hmmm....

Balance-wise, is imagining farm animals spawning in from the outskirts of the map when animals on a server get low an inconceivable idea? Like, we are in an agricultural region. And zombies don't attack animals. An animal could wander in from elsewhere.

[lost orchid]

assuming animals don’t just randomly spawn in already lol

[lethal flint]

You can work on the map while knowing absolutely nothing about coding lol

[empty forum]

riverside is so bland what is there to like so much.

im gonna guess the gated community

[lethal flint]

The main street is cool

[pine lintel]

no, it requires constant upkeep

diseased plots can ruin your harvest

[sonic wadi]

Not possible

All mappers must develop NPC

[lost orchid]

ur gonna do that anyways tho

let’s say the time is doubled

well i dont rly needa explain

i’m sure yk what i mean

[sonic wadi]

That only if illness actually spreads even among crops that arent next to each other

[sonic pewter]

!roadmap

[sterile wyvern]

A rough roadmap can be seen here:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/136501320340209664/668141446628376585/Capture3.PNG?ex=66b8f1b6&is=66b7a036&hm=1c38e86455e6cec89f1145075212787302c04540ed2213aea047af0c533e1878&)

We'll share more details about the road ahead once Build 41 is done.

[lost orchid]

hopefully the build supports multiplier off the bat lol

[lethal flint]

I wonder how believable npcs will be. The game is so immersive and realistic that feels impossible to get npcs right

[sterile wyvern]

all is well

modders can mod, NPCs will have mechnaics that will be learnt

[serene coyote]

gonna need a Pat NPC to send us on quests for collectibles

[sterile wyvern]

Pat_bren.txt will be the npc to boot our game

[serene coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/bravo-clap-very-good-stand-up-clapping-gif-3572412

[candid stag]

[candid stag]

Pretty much. That's why so many simulation games focus on like, making the player's organs work accurately or something. That's a lot easier than trying to simulate the one trillion things humans can do/say to one another.

[neat path]

As long as it's not oversimplified like in insert another zombie game here, it'll be good

It shouldn't be based on a single value etc., something more should be involved

[median pecan]

I saw this posed as a question before & I think it would be incredibly strange/silly for NPCs to be released without multiplayer support. It would not make sense when the game already supports MP, so I highly doubt they'd release a major feature & go “doesn't work in MP tho 🤭”

Not to say I don't think how NPCs work in MP will be improved as the builds go on, but we already knew there will be multiple waves

[hallow meadow]

Gotta go the extra mile and simulate blood cells in addition to the organs.

Otherwise, can you really call it a sim?

[dire hamlet]

The end result is all that matters, simulating stuff is such a pitfall lol

If you can make it appear to work in an expected way, there could be toothpaste and rubber bands making it work behind the scenes.

[hallow meadow]

We need toothpaste to be a usable resource to prevent tooth decay.

[lost orchid]

rubber bands should be able to make bundles of cash

and with the new UI stuff there should be cookbooks that u open and browse recipes maybe in food overhaul

[serene bay]

They have definitely said in the past that they want NPCs to work in MP, so hopefully that is still the plan going forward.

❤️

[dusk verge]

While we are at it, we need tampons and toiletries for realistic intimate cleansing.

Or any restroom products from here. https://www.cvs.com/shop/personal-care/feminine-care/intimate-cleansing

[sharp arch]

why

[dusk verge]

For realism simulation

Like, your character not needing to go use the restroom like The Sims is fine.

But we need to make background objects tell a story that some zombies were having menstruation periods before they die as zombies. I want those meta stories.

[sharp arch]

Bruh lol

Think id rather have other "stories" , periods suck

[dusk verge]

Ok.

[karmic prism]

thats almost as bad as CDDA's compelling lore of the survivors fabricating atomic vibrators

[wide bison]

I open the discord to check if theres been any news, and i see whatever that conversation was.

[sharp arch]

Lmao

[wide bison]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-grandpa-hat-gif-13293560

[wind ore]

3 more thursdays left this month until the next amazing blog post.

[dapper umbra]

BRO! Interactive recipe books!

[sterile wyvern]

holy FUCK

[serene coyote]

NO WAY! (I don’t know what’s going on)

[serene bay]

🤣 I feel this

[sonic wadi]

Game requieres you to actually read the cookbook to unlock the recipes

PZ is no lo ger playable without a webcam

[sterile wyvern]

test

[candid stag]

We probably won't ever have stuff like actually readable recipe books, too much bother (though mods are free to use the new tech for whatever their heart desires). At the moment, it's for newspapers/flyers that are helpful (generally by pointing to loot/a cool location) and add at least a little to the lore.

[sonic pewter]

okay

[serene coyote]

thanks, Pat 👍

[marble oriole]

All we pray alone we can’t decide

Catholics in the morning satanists at night

[dapper umbra]

Oh. I mean, it would've been neat to actually see the recipes so that we know exactly how to make them. Plus, it'd be fun to see the actual crafting diagrams in survivor houses. But I guess modders can handle it.

[lost orchid]

hopefully overhaul can atleast add more interaction when cooking :(

well it’s a lot of interaction already but maybe better

like less right click menus everywhere

[candid stag]

Not the same thing but I would be okay with "tutorial diagrams". They couldn't really appear as loot through, just in the Survival Guide or something.

[dapper umbra]

YO I don't think there's been any mentions of how cooking's being integrated into the new crafting system!

[lost orchid]

i meant food overhaul

[sharp arch]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-cooking-simpsons-gif-6133418

[lost orchid]

did this build ever mention getting new crafting UI at all? or is it just tech changes?

i know about the UI we saw when on a surface but what about the menu on the left

[dapper umbra]

I imagine that's getting updated similarly. Like it'll probably have an input-output UI.

[candid stag]

No changes to cooking yet, will get an overhaul sometime

[dapper umbra]

Ah okay

I can guess that implementing the cooking overhaul is gonna take some work, since we should be able to do it on any surface

[serene bay]

Probably won't go into this much detail but it would be neat if it was like like rimworld though, surface can change the quality of the food, and a dirty surface can cause sickness

[lost orchid]

i don’t think surfaces can even get dirty but maybe naturally dirty stuff like a tree stump yeah

[serene bay]

you are right, currently they can't

but who knows in the future

[lost orchid]

they honestly need to work on hygiene upkeep in this game😭

Infections, being clean, sweat, etc

bc so far all these things don’t even matter

take outdoorsman ur good

really it’s just infections

[serene bay]

yea I would like things like antibiotics and infections to actually do something

[lost orchid]

bc being dirty brings infections but infections are useless so that’s why being dirty is useless

i feel like it’s so easy to fix

just change numbers

same with dirty bandages

[serene bay]

They have a lot of systems in place that just need to be tied together a bit more I think

[dusk verge]

Has devs addressed the need for a premium public official server hosted by the devs via subscription in a previous blog post somewhere?

[lost orchid]

yes and hosted by yours truly

[serene bay]

They have 0 need or want to host public servers themselves

[dusk verge]

Ok, thanks for the answer.

I probably missed the conclusion somewhere.

[serene bay]

I don't know that it has been said recently, but I know in the past they have said would require hiring people to moderate them and it is just a big drain on resources

better to let community host them and the devs can focus on making the game better

[sharp arch]

as long as it is not too tedious

im surprised our chars dont get upset when we have to wear bloody zomber clothes lol

[lost orchid]

no i mentioned what’s already in the game

[sharp arch]

cause god that shit would smell

[lost orchid]

and how it’s useless

[dapper umbra]

I can 100% imagine the TIS team implementing that somewhere down the line. Although, I think tool dirtiness is gonna be the major issue, not surface dirtiness.

[serene bay]

hopefully both 🙂

tools being dirty is already in the game, they just need to tie it to the cooking system I guess so probably the "easier" of the two to do

[lost orchid]

in green hell eating with dirty hands gets u problems

[serene coyote]

I don’t wanna wash my hands every single time before eating in a game. That’s absurd 😡 I’d rather contaminate every object I interact with in my base with blood

[sharp arch]

uh id turn that off lol

[candid stag]

Have to be careful with too much micromanaging but we'll see

[serene bay]

100% understandable, it very much is a balancing act

[eternal otter]

You also have to be careful with too much Pat managing

[serene bay]

Balancing Brens is difficult, but if anyone can do it, it'd be that Writer/Cool Dude

[serene coyote]

this is probably why they make Pat live in a bucket

gotta limit his influence

I wonder if he still has all of his fingers although writing 10,000 words/day would be a breeze for him

[wind ore]

malnutrition system that should make more sense other than just gaining or losing weight.

[rain agate]

Climbs out of makeshift fallout shelter made out of 2x2 Minecraft dirt ... yo, the light hurts and I'm using dark mode. 😄 Has... has the roadmap moved?!

||(For my fellow diagnosed 'tists, this is a joke)||

[sharp arch]

this is why you guys got grounded from it lol

[rain agate]

Lol.

[eternal otter]

It moved.... out of the channel.

[lost orchid]

fine then

i’ll be the bot

!roadmap

[sharp arch]

No lol

oh crap

[eternal otter]

We are not paying you for that.

[lost orchid]

educational purposes only

[wind ore]

lol

4 months left in 2024

[lost orchid]

can’t wait to have planks and a hammer in my inventory and right click it for 30 options to craft to show up

[serene coyote]

box of nails has left the chat

[sharp arch]

but plugners!!

[hallow meadow]

I need The Indie Game Store to teach me how to make remote bombs, Pat. My immersion demands it.

[sharp arch]

when can we put cow turds in paper bags and light on fire

[hallow meadow]

Yessss and put them on the NPC's porch

[sharp arch]

[serene coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-stink-bad-breath-stank-face-smelly-gif-16392254

the NPC in question^

[dusk verge]

Is that a hint we can dig for manure in B42?

Cow manure = the greatest renewable fertilizer for crops?

[twilit flame]

I'm like 53% sure they mentioned manure at some point

[dusk verge]

Me too, but I wanted someone else to comfort me and baby talk me into bliss whenever I get a whiff of B42 updates and news.

Anyway, I'll manage.... Switch 2 rumor mills are my priority.

[serene coyote]

I don’t recall mentions of “manure” in the Thursdoids, but I could be mistaken. The only turd talk I’m aware of is this:

[candid stag]

Let him roam free!

[candid stag]

Bomb + Remote

[crimson compass]

!roadmap

[crimson compass]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-peepo-riot-riot-protest-peepo-angry-gif-21768097

I need b42

[empty forum]

We all do, chill up

[ivory stratus]

welcome to the waiting room

[lyric jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/437363638819487764/1272891450056773682/ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[crimson compass]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-start-a-riot-gif-26248364

[dapper umbra]

Those poop sprites looks like chicken nuggets and pastries

[eternal otter]

You better check your glasses before the release, just to be safe.

[sharp narwhal]

Why don't you eat one

[dapper umbra]

I can't until B42 😞

[dusk verge]

I guess it sort of "hints" we will have animal poop. But it still doesn't answer the question of whether we can pick up manure, process it as an alternate compost for fertilizing crops.

Now I think about it, I don't think we need manure, since we have composting.

[sharp arch]

Oo shit snacks

[ivory stratus]

get ready indie game store

there’s a new open world zombie survival game on the block

VEIN

[crimson compass]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-peepo-riot-riot-protest-peepo-angry-gif-21768097

[ivory stratus]

it’s honestly nice

it’s not focused on pvp like dayz is

and has actual late game goals to work to

it’s in early access free demo

obviously i’m still a die hard pz fan but it’s worth a try

clearly glitchy of course since it was made only 6 months ago

[crimson compass]

i saw something similar called dead matter

now its really DEAD

[crimson compass]

looks good for demo

[sharp arch]

have you tried it?

i cant read lol

[ivory stratus]

i haven’t myself no but i watched a streamer play yesterday (bigbadbeaver)

haven’t had time to just yet but it is free

[sharp arch]

big bald beaver

[ivory stratus]

har har har

[ivory stratus]

oh dude i forgot abt that

[sharp arch]

yah i saw it pop up too , looked interesting for a first person

[lost orchid]

everything is just text and no pics so i don’t like it

[ivory stratus]

the game?? yeah it’s not finalized of course

i don’t know if the game has a roadmap or something but

indie game store should shout the game out or something

[sharp arch]

always fun to try different zomber games

[ivory stratus]

i never liked 7dtd and dayz much

this game looks different tho

[sharp arch]

i tried dayz and played it with a friend and got irritated , me adn my friend kept spreading some sickness back n forth lol

[ivory stratus]

yeah it’s rly hardcore

i don’t know why people say zomboid is hard though

it has a steep learning curve but after like only 20 ingame hours you can survive months

unless u get snuck up on, which happens no matter how skilled you are

[final umbra]

I am skeptical of 3d zombie games that come out these days, feels like they're all asset store cobblejobs

[sharp arch]

ok but the one where you could ride zombies was fucking hilarious i loved it

i cant rememebr the dumb name of it lol

[dapper umbra]

Manure will probably be processed into fertilizer via composting. In fact, manure might work as a way to quicken composting.

[lost orchid]

apocalypse rising OG

[sharp arch]

i love road apples

[wind ore]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

waiting for build 42 be like

[lost orchid]

everyone in Si just chilling

[wind ore]

4 more thursdoid blog post left in this year

[sonic wadi]

Update tomorrow

[sharp arch]

noo lol wow exp comes out in 2 weeks NO

[serene coyote]

hyped for Build 41.79

[wind ore]

Until another Thursday blog post arrives at the end of the month.

[sharp arch]

when can we sit in theese here

[wind ore]

collecting water in those containers would be nice ^

[lost orchid]

is rain water tainted purely because of balance

or am i missing smth about rain

[sharp arch]

don tthink you would want to drink that lol

[lost orchid]

wym

[sharp arch]

youd still want to test it for ickies

[lost orchid]

like realistically rain should be pure no?

[sharp arch]

i dont think so no

probably still pollutants and gross stuff , maybe you could get lucky but i would never just drink rainwater without boiling it irl

[lost orchid]

i don’t think bacteria would fly up with it

unless the cloud is mixed with smoke or smth idk

[sonic wadi]

Update will come first

[wind ore]

logic of rainwater being poisonous.

[sharp arch]

tardigrade soup

[sonic wadi]

No 💀

[serene coyote]

cloud piss is tainted

boil or steam distill before consuming

[sharp arch]

yah i looked up a youtube video and was grossed out lol

one vid didnt have any bacteria but had bug parts another one had one bacteria dickin around

[dusk verge]

Can I have the source of that video?

Interested in checking out bug parts in rainwater.

[sharp arch]

just type rainwater under a microscope

was firs ttwo that came up

[final umbra]

others have said it but clouds soak up anything that ends up in the atmosphere, this includes pollution in general, back in the 90s rain was getting worryingly acidic but they seem to have beaten that back by today

[pine lintel]

no, rainwater can be pretty nasty

[dire hamlet]

In the 90s the most you'd have to worry about is DEET

[lost orchid]

weird always thought rain is just evaporated water with nothing on it

[pine lintel]

it picks up a lot of crud with it

[dapper umbra]

Fuuuuuuuuuck

I don't usually curse like that, but you can't help but be depressed from news like that.

[sharp arch]

can we make a solar oven

lol bruh

[candid stag]

https://tenor.com/view/vic-reeves-bob-mortimer-matt-lucas-reeves-and-mortimer-bath-gif-12639729

[past haven]

I love this

[sharp arch]

Yes

[gusty trail]

What do you mean no longer?

[karmic prism]

Since we're getting new containers in B42

Are these coming too?

[livid gull]

Perhaps ? We might have seen something like this in a blog post

[karmic prism]

If I end up with nothing to do Ill look back to see

[finite hamlet]

don't remember ever seeing that in a blog post but it could be a thing

[hallow meadow]

The Indie Game Store artist forced into researching poop while everyone else is writing stories or making weapons.

[eternal otter]

Don't forget Pat's 300-page essay on poop for the hunting guides

[sharp arch]

Lol

[lethal flint]

I wish. Also clean water shouldn't be everywhere

I shouldn't be able to find clean water in a random toilet after three years of apocalypse

[lost orchid]

yeah might as well make toilet water tainted and call it a day

not much balancing needed

[lethal flint]

Also bathtubs holding 200 units of clean water

[final umbra]

Do keep in mind that it's talking about the toilet cistern not the bowl

it's a real life thing to not flush toilets in an emergency because the cistern water is potable

[lethal flint]

I'm playing on a server. We ran out of fresh food long ago and I'm dangerously low on canned food, but... I never had to worry about water yet. I don't even have rain collectors. I just take water from houses I loot

[lethal flint]

That makes sense. Sinks and bathtubs don't

[final umbra]

some water would remain in the pipes but it'd sound like a foghorn when you use it

dunno if you've ever opened a tap when there's air in there

[karmic prism]

I agree, this is why I play with the water goes bad mod

[karmic prism]

It'll be potable for some time but it'll likely become stagnant and not safe to drink if it stays in there for a while

[final umbra]

that's true of any stored water, for long term storage you need specific kinds of containers and probably a chemical addition to keep it clean

[karmic prism]

pretty much

[lost orchid]

water purifier pills

tablets

could be a thing

[karmic prism]

Filters as well, though idk if that will add some tedium, since getting water from large bodies of water can give you some muddy water that you need tp filter out and then boil to kill any microorganisms in it

[pine lintel]

i wouldn't be opposed to stuff like that, increasing the difficulty of making certain water sources drinkable, as well as making the storage of water more involved

makes it more of a chore to obtain and maintain, I typically find myself having gargantuan water excess with minimal effort

[serene coyote]

^not to undermine the boiling of water since it works too, but perhaps filtered or distilled water could aid plants grow faster, help wash clothes/our characters quicker, or provide slight buffs to cooking recipes that involve water (stews, soups, pasta, etc..) to encourage players to engage in the more tedious ways of acquiring safer drinking water

[lost orchid]

there should be a safe walking option where u get stuck when walking off ledges and only falling off when sprinting

or when in nimble mode

cuz i’m sure my character can see the ledge well, i don’t like how he falls off just because the view to me is off

[sonic wadi]

Skill issue

[verbal sequoia]

They've got a point yeah

I've seen some people complain about that too, like when you're building in an above story and fall down because it looked safe

[final orbit]

i wish my character wouldnt autopath and jump out one of the full sized windows when i try to place a platform outside it

[empty forum]

maybe nimble walking could work like sneaking in Minecraft, so the player has to walk carefully when moving around dangerous spots

[lost orchid]

well walking backwards and stopping at the ledge wouldn’t make sense

[dire hamlet]

Not going over the edge like Lumm is suggesting is good

[dusk verge]

I thought the common knowledge is to immediately build walkways no matter where you are the moment you walk up to a floor in the air, be it close to a roof, be on the roof, or on a ceiling with the ceiling not being visible?

[empty forum]

Could also go with a god of war-styled ledge mechanic where the player can stumble upon walking off a ledge, but still save themselves if they can react at the right time

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-falling-flying-kiss-heisenberg-gif-25238256

dying like this in a Zomboid save would be funny asf as well

[serene coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/road-runner-coyote-gif-26728543

[twilit flame]

irl yes, rain is pure unless your container is contaminated

unless you let it stagnate ofc

Looking into the "rainwater isn't safe anywhere" news articles, they all just talk about how the WHO warned against pollutants being washed from your roof into your cistern, nothing new.

also microplastics, but that's more long term damage

[sonic wadi]

Two more weeks

[sonic pewter]

really?

[serene coyote]

for the Thursdoid blog post, yes

[sonic pewter]

oh alright

[sonic wadi]

No, for b42

[empty forum]

👀

dont play with my feelings it wont come out in 2 weeks 😭

[sonic pewter]

yea stop it now!

[serene bay]

It will come out

when it is ready

❤️

[lyric jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/437363638819487764/1272891450056773682/ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

im sure its on the horizon

we just gotta keep lookin'

[eternal topaz]

It's on the other side of the planet

They will polish it till the end of this year

[empty forum]

we know that but when will it be ready uhuuu its been so long

[karmic prism]

who knows, we just gotta wait

I actually do get why its taking a while

[past haven]

they said it will be out in 2024 so just expect around Christmas and if it comes sooner you will be happy

[serene bay]

My previous statement answers what you asked though... When is when it's ready. 😉

[empty forum]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[serene bay]

pretty much

[empty forum]

no problem though

i know the game will be a blast when build 42 will drop

[serene bay]

Heck yea!

The Indie Game Store always puts out banger updates

[empty forum]

i am just imagining spawning a gazzilion zeds at the top or bottom floor of a skyscraper and running away from the haha

[serene bay]

The dream! 😄

[finite hamlet]

Damn poles keeping b42 from us

[wind ore]

in 2025 my birthday in February will be on a Thursday

Thursdoid blog post on that day would be interesting,

[serene coyote]

Spiffo’s Birthday is also in February. The 26th I believe

[serene bay]

They make good dumplings though

[dusk verge]

If only I can try some Polish dumplings here in the Boston area.

We're the New Englanders. 😦

[wind ore]

Kentucky fried chicken

[serene bay]

What a tragedy 😠

[dusk verge]

That looks tasty.

[serene bay]

Make some! It isn't too difficult

[lost orchid]

passed the other thursdoid’s chat number

[serene bay]

Feels Good

[serene coyote]

4887 is the next message count to surpass

[serene bay]

🎉

[wind ore]

2 more thursdays left in August we are getting close to that next blog post.

[shy moat]

Mmmm

[rain agate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1004638051047309393.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[serene bay]

[serene coyote]

[dapper umbra]

It's not Wednesday, guys

[serene bay]

every day is a good day for frogs 🙂

[empty forum]

it looks like it isnt baked properly, no offense

[empty forum]

but it was said that v42 would release in 2024? right? 🤔

[wind ore]

only 4 more months left in 2024 for build 42 promise unless it gets delayed into early 2025

[serene bay]

who the heck bakes perogies? it is all about the boil and then pan fry

and no offense taken, I didn't make the gif 🙂

also 2024 for IWBUMS beta build was what was said yes 🙂

[empty forum]

Bro idk how its made i just said a cooking method hahaha 😝

[serene bay]

fair 😄

[empty forum]

RAHHH 4 months left if im not an idiot who doesnt know the months of the year

[serene bay]

I mean technically could bake em but I like the the boil pan fry method, keeps them crisp without drying them out

Hard to believe there is only 4 months left in the year, gone by so quickly

Hopefully they are able to keep to that timeline, if not it is what it is

[wind ore]

I hope build 42 arrives before GTA 6

[serene bay]

GTA 6 is gonna be bad either way so I am not worried about it

But I also would like to see it sooner then that

[pine lintel]

i doubt gta6 will be bad

whatever they do for online may very well be bad

but the game itself and its mechanics are going to be great

[serene bay]

well considering what Take-Two has done recently I am not so sure

[lost orchid]

they wouldn’t mess up gta6

actually the biggest fumble in history if they tried cheaping out

[serene bay]

I think the main focus will be online sadly, especially after they figured out how much money they could make off of shark cards in GTA 5

[pine lintel]

I disagree, RDR2 was still an amazing game in singleplayer, long long long after GTAV

rockstar doesn't miss on their games

they just rip you off in the online mode

[serene bay]

I mean they kind of did, they promised a bunch of SP content for GTA 5 and never delivered

[pine lintel]

after the fact. it doesn't change that GTAV launched as a phenomenal single player game

[serene bay]

it's ok, I didn't mind it

I think GTA 4 was better overall though

[pine lintel]

that's a fair assessment, i have more experience with 5 than 4

both are great though

[serene bay]

yarr

I just think that it is a different company now than it was

[dusk verge]

Technically, it's supposed to be pan-fried.

https://tenor.com/view/cooked-gyoza-food52-out-of-the-pan-dumpling-yummy-gif-16978361

[crimson compass]

There won't be GTA 6 for PC on release

[dusk verge]

GTA 6 is like at least 2029 or 2030 by estimated predictions.

Project Zomboid will be finished before GTA 6 PC build gets released.

[serene bay]

Naturally, gotta double dip after all.

[wind ore]

rockstar games makes people double dip for any of their games

consoles first and pc later

its somewhat like how epic games holds games hostage for years before coming to steam.

[serene bay]

Like how Bethesda keeps re releasing skyrim

[wind ore]

3 generations of consoles selling GTA 5 and Skyrim

peraps we will see 3 generations of consoles selling GTA 6 until GTA 7 lol

[serene bay]

I guess people keep buying it or they wouldn't rerelease it so often 😂

[wind ore]

some day GTA 5 online service will discontinue for PS4 and Xbox one users

once GTA 6 release the GTA 5 online will decline over time

[eternal otter]

People still buy the same re-hashed soccer games every year, why not every console generation?

[serene bay]

You aren't wrong lol

The old adage do it till it doesn't work anymore, and do it once more to be sure

[wind ore]

EA sports games are the same game with new updates

[dusk verge]

You mean 4. Switch 2 is on the horizon, and GTA 6 won't be out before Switch 2 launch.

[vestal torrent]

I think I'm about ready for it to drop. Dev's, the only real voice that matters has decided. Drop everything you have.

[dusk verge]

No, I don't want devs to drop their things.

[dapper umbra]

Some of their things might be fragile, or might be holding liquid

[serene coyote]

why would you want them to discontinue their work on PZ?

[empty forum]

As a ukrainian I wonder why would anyone bake or fry it. We just boil it and then eat with sour cream. And we call it differently

Sounds like double the effort to get little to no additional flavour

[serene bay]

Personally it is a texture thing, I do the boil then fry, I enjoy the mixture of the squish and crispiness. Should try it sometime!

On a side note, The Indie Game Store... My birthday is coming up in a few weeks 😉

[empty forum]

i think what he meant was that they should release what they have

[dapper umbra]

When B42 drops, I think it'd be funny if the devlog thread regulars joined a server together.

[wind ore]

zombie punks

[livid gull]

Nice

[serene coyote]

yeah. I was just trolling

[empty forum]

[empty forum]

I think it would be funny that

[dusk verge]

I just now realized, the tech used in GrappleTech could be extended to throwing items like the molotov cocktails, the grenades, and other throwable objects.

If that is true, it would be pretty awesome to see. Players can finally throw rocks / stones / bricks at windows, and do other things.

Maybe it could get a new name, MotionTech, or something.

[eternal topaz]

thursdoid when?

[sonic wadi]

Tomorrow

[lost orchid]

next week

[sonic wadi]

Dont trust them

They lie

[lost orchid]

???

no one really knows

they always be staying in the 20s

either they delay this week to stay in late 20s or next

[finite hamlet]

next thursdoid will be out on a tuesday because one of the staff found a time machine

[dapper forge]

next thursdoid is on the last thursday of every month as the devs have said in a previous blog post

so the 29th

[empty forum]

I can imagine punks realistically being a great group to have in a zombie apocalypse, considering they can mend clothes and would probably loot a store to establish mutual aid in a pinch

a good comparison would probably be the Followers of the Apocalypse from the fallout games

[crimson compass]

Where's zombie skinheads ?

We need zombie skinheads

[final umbra]

I mean I come across the occasional bald zombie

[wet egret]

One thing that looks really nice about the new gameplay is the complete lack of the tile clipping issues abundant in Zomboid till now. I don't see many people mentioning that, but I think it really elevates the look of the game

[dapper umbra]

No Neo-Nazis, please.

[hearty sleet]

I'm going to spend the first few minutes just marveling at the grass.

[runic flare]

always the last thursday of the month which is next week

[eternal topaz]

💧

[lost orchid]

man this thursdoid better pack some heat

[sonic wadi]

It's going to pack the update

[lethal flint]

Horses in the next thursdoid?

[wind ore]

zombies in next update

[serene coyote]

the letter Z in the title of the next Thursdoid?

[lost orchid]

can’t wait for half the thursdoid to talk about lighting again

[dusk verge]

Isn't the lighting done?

Hmmm, are there anything else that needed lighting? Perhaps impassable areas?

Like areas behind stairs where zombies can spawn inside of?

[final otter]

B42 this thursdoid I know it

[last rivet]

I don’t think it’s coming this year

And if it does then with half of the content shown in the thursdoids

D:

[median pecan]

I really doubt they would've said 2024 as a public announcement if they weren't confident about it

There are 4 months left in the year, if it gets to the end of December with no update then I might join you in the doubt

[sonic wadi]

Everyone knows it

It will happen, my uncle at TISG told me

[dapper umbra]

Zombies? Aw man. Now this is just gonna become another zombie game 🙄

[livid gull]

[median pecan]

I have no idea what this means

[lethal flint]

Remember the "first half of 2024" incident

[wind ore]

I remember that

[median pecan]

That was not on a public Twitter account for The Indie Game Store

I think the skepticism is fair, just saying idt they'd have done that if they weren't confident

[wind ore]

9 more days until September

[lethal flint]

I think we ain't going to see horses :(

[wind ore]

more crafting , animals and lighting is what we might see lol for the August blog post.

[dusk verge]

By then, we would have already heard something about B42.

Like, a delay, or unstable release date announcment, or something like that.

[lost orchid]

yeah but TIS is exactly the type to not say anything by december

[dapper umbra]

We probably wont even see horses in 1.0, pal.

[dusk verge]

Ok, fair enough. Then it will only be "Unstable release announcement" or "No ETA", just either one of these 2 announcements then.

I mean, hypothetically if the unstable release is dropped to the public, they wouldn't just release that without any prior announcements or the day of, right?

Assuming that we go past December 2024 without any further news other than Thursdoids.

[median pecan]

Yeah, that's why I'm saying I'd lose hope like the person I was responding to if that were to happen

To be clear, I don't at all think that will be the case. That was intended to be more flippant than anything

[dusk verge]

Agreed.

[dapper umbra]

I think I'd just be kinda sad and really disappointed if we don't get a B42 drop this year.

I know some people will be extremely angry, though. Some may argue that they shouldn't be angry because they paid for the game and it's not like it's being taken away, but others may argue that the promise of future development might be a factor in why they purchased the game in the first place.

[lost orchid]

I bet that if it ever goes past 2024 they’d be like

this is why we don’t give ETA’s we only said 2024 because everyone complained

[pine lintel]

ngl i wouldn't be fazed if B42 takes longer than expected

we're still not even approaching B41 wait times

I'm also much more interested in seeing the update come out at full force, I'd hope they don't start getting hasty because of the community unrest

[wind ore]

it's almost the 5th year anniversary of the build 41

[lost orchid]

5 years is a whole fleshed game for most devs even solo😩

[wet egret]

I fully expect Zomboid to be a 20 -30 year project at this point

[regal pivot]

have finished school university and got a job in the meantime

[craggy grail]

Most devs arent making project zomboid

[dusk verge]

Honestly, I'm okay with them going past 2024. Like, in real life, I have so many things to do, I don't think I would want a sudden update to just suck up all of my sleep and then some, when B42 comes out on unstable.

[sonic wadi]

Remember B41 dropped in October

The year doesnt end in August 🧡

[last rivet]

Yeah I can’t wait anymore neither. But on the other hand I don’t want the devs to suffer mentally due to stress.

So I guess they know the best how to handle the game

[serene bay]

They would just drop the update, that is how they have done it every single time prior.

[dusk verge]

No announcents at all?

[lost orchid]

no bc that counts as an ETA

jk not jk

with the way they work, having an announcement means they finished the update which also means no reason to wait which then means no need for announcement

they never announce while working on it bc then they might need to delay even if they theoretically need like 1 more week of work

i just find it weird that they can never estimate, imagine a boss expecting a project out of an employee and when he asks how long u need after weeks they say "i dunno"

feel like there should be better managing

[dusk verge]

Oh good. That means we will get an announcement, and I will get to play the game when I have the time to do so.

Even if I am late to the party by 3 months, it is an announcement nonetheless. So that is all good.

[dapper umbra]

A manager that accepts that would be the best manager ever. Besides, we aren't their manager.

[dusk verge]

It is above my pay grade.

[lost orchid]

well i was saying they dont rly announce until its extremely close to the release which also means its pretty much done. that they dont ever announce while working

unless a week advance announcement is what ur looking for

[dusk verge]

No, not looking for announcements in advance. Just any announcements is fine for me.

Actually, it would be really funny if the game is already out, but no one notices until TIS announces it several weeks after it is officially released to the Unstable branch.

[lost orchid]

the said "no crunch environment" to me as the years go by looks more and more as "our employees work when they feel like it"

[dusk verge]

That is the dream.

Work when you're motivated.

[lost orchid]

the way TIS talks about how theyre making sure the employees are tip top shape and stuff just sounds like they give them half the year off i swear

[dusk verge]

That is just the outside perspective, which doesn't really give what the internal perspective looks like.

[lost orchid]

i dont think giving normal work week hours is torture

[dusk verge]

No, what I think is we shouldn't be taking those kinds of impressions at face value.

[lost orchid]

dk wym

[dusk verge]

I mean, if they keep saying they don't crunch, then we shouldn't take it as if they are saying, oh, our employees are working 3/5 of the weekdays or something. Rather, they have a process we don't know anything of, that works for them. They can give off vague impressions of their work, even if it feels their progress is too fast or too slow, and that doesn't really matter to me.

[lost orchid]

i get what youre saying and yeah theres nothing anyone can do if they think 3/5 is what works best for them, because its their company, but it just shows that any mild pressure would make their feelings would shatter and it just looks bad to most people

thats assumign thjat 3/5 week thing, could just be a normal work week

[serene bay]

Crunch in the tech world usually means mandatory overtime

[lost orchid]

i just cant see an over 20 employee group plus extra manpower with normal work weeks be this clueless on any dates

its everyone doing their own specialty too

just realized

why arent there any 1/no arm zombie mods

seems like the perfect thing

[serene coyote]

before the First of January, Two Thousand Twenty-Five is the planned date

[serene bay]

They might have rough dates that they want to hit but they will always be internal

and always rough, never set in stone

[dapper umbra]

Remaining time limit for B42: 130 days

[serene bay]

😱

[karmic prism]

With the authentic z mod, there are zombies with half eaten arms and some other variations

I kinda wanted to add to the prior convo about dev time, I think a big thing that everyone may already know but I see barely mentioned, is that b42 is sort of like project zomboid 2.0 at this rate

I do think the devs deserve more credit for their no crunch work environment, my work environment isnt super bad for me but I feel pretty good for the devs if their jobs have been cozy and successful

[dusk verge]

I think it would be better if you use a Discord-specific timestamp format they would so that the time reflects the user's local time. Or something like that.

[serene bay]

Having been around since the tech demo days it is more like PZ 10.0 to me, so many changes and massive additions over the years 😁

[serene coyote]

🎉

[serene bay]

❤️

[median pecan]

Even if there's not an official, immediate announcement for unstable I'm p sure it would be brought up in the blog

Which would effectively serve as an announcement to those who follow

(not to mention it being talked about here on Discord by everyone, but in terms of communication from TIS)