Cortman by Night

[neat path]

They already are

It's just impossible for everyone to work on NPCs tho

And NPCs do cross over into other territories like crafting

See animals and what that means for new items, recipes, etc.

[serene coyote]

I wonder why it’s taking so long to integrate the National Potato Council. Peels very importot

[sonic wadi]

Game's been out for 10 years already, devs should've added peelers and graters by now smh

[frigid vessel]

Still waiting for Archery to arrive 😁

[drifting path]

yeaah, please add archery, it will be 10x cooler

imagine having different kinds of bow 😱

[rain zealot]

archery should fr be in build 42

nvm

archery will be in build 42

[serene coyote]

hopefully

[serene palm]

Pretty sure they said it wouldn’t be in the initial unstable beta release but come later.

[sonic wadi]

It'll come later but still within b42

[drifting path]

You have info?

[serene coyote]

it is mentioned in the June blog post: https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/06/the-biomic-man/

[sonic wadi]

As seen in this picture, the why this update has taken so long... 💀

[candid stag]

I think everyone who uber-wants Archery assumes (probably from playing non PZ-games) that a) bows will be silent b) it will be easy to hit things with arrows and c) when you hit things, arrows will do a lot of damage, all very large assumptions

https://tenor.com/view/misery-masochist-mrs-doyle-father-ted-pauline-mc-lynn-gif-5962375

Best attitude for playing PZ

[candid stag]

I keep eating all the potatoes

I'm the entry level writer, stay out of my territory

I don't believe in "Karma" systems but I do believe in a realistic reputation system of NPCs generally treating you as well or as badly as you treat them

[craggy grail]

I should certainly hope a headshot would provide significant damage but I'm definitely not expecting getting one to be easy

[uneven pike]

devastating hope crush

[craggy grail]

One thing im wondering is will we have to unstring our bows to avoid them taking damage when not in use

Not a big deal with modern ILFs or obviously compounds, but a traditional homemade recurve would certainly suffer from being strung for extended periods

Then theres temperature and humidity causing warping

[candid stag]

Even penetrating a skull with an arrow would be difficult for an unskilled person I bet

[candid stag]

Probably not, don't want to make them too complicated, but who knows, certainly not me!

[craggy grail]

Sensible responses, both

[serene coyote]

need you to go back to corn husks or seek out quality alcohol to satiate your hunger! The community really needs the National Potato Councils to be released

haha Pat is national treasure. Gotta protect him at all costs 🫡

[hallow meadow]

Which nation? 👀

[serene coyote]

I don’t know how to explain the concept of a nation to you or translate grunts so let’s just say the “Irish tribe”

[hallow meadow]

Gaelic mammoth 🤤

[median pecan]

Open chat, read this, close chat

[junior ruin]

Just getting your arrows to sit in your nocking point correctly to shoot at all when your a beginners a pain in the arse lol 😄
Then theres the archers kisse's and fletching cuts you get along the way, Archery hurts folks 😄 lol

[median pecan]

I've never even touched a bow but I'm built different so I think I'd get 100% headshots effortlessly I think

[junior ruin]

Id deffo recommend giving it a go if any of you got the opportuinty to (irl)
Its really fun but deffo not as easy as it looks thats for sure (It aint like it looks in the movies)
You even have the wind to take into account when shooting too

[median pecan]

I'm sure I'd suck, but it does look fun so I'll have to try it out someday

[junior ruin]

just make sure you wear thick stuff on your arms and wear gloves too
Bows and arrows do hurt to shoot, if your doing over a long period of time especially, expect a big old bruise on your fore arm 😄

[median pecan]

You've saved future me an injury 🙏🏾

[junior ruin]

🫡

[livid gull]

It is quite fun

Can be hard however

But yeah usually you have a protection at your hand holding the bow

[junior ruin]

And your hair needs to be tied up if its long as well... learnt that one the hard way 😅

[craggy grail]

Literally getting graded at my range in the morning on a 3D shoot so its weird af for me that this even came up 😅

Ill remember my hair tie

[dusk verge]

It is that Good or Evil level, much like the Fable or Black&White moral system from Lionhead Studios.

[sterile wyvern]

Holy Cr*p

It's Pemar

Hi Omar.

[dire hamlet]

Crossbows were invented to make the process of murdering people far away easier

But when can we build trebuchets?

[alpine tinsel]

Trebucheting corpses over enemy faction walls to swarm them with sickness go

[lost orchid]

i’m not surprised if the bows and crossbows are literally just gonna be a gun variant and have the same exact shooting method

[lethal flint]

Probably not. They are getting delayed for a reason

[lost orchid]

i wish they spent more time overhauling than adding

[dusk verge]

That is the process. It just so happens that they planned it to be in one update, because the overhaul all interweave together.

[serene coyote]

wdym? They’re overhauling crafting, some occupations + traits, XP gains, and lighting + view cones. Pretty sure there’s more but doesn’t come to mind atm

[hallow meadow]

So hyped for my neolithic playthrough fr fr

[serene coyote]

[hallow meadow]

Illiterate, unemployed, gonna have a MOUNTAIN of perk points to play with.

[serene coyote]

I’m sure a mod will emerge where it’ll change deer to mammoths

[hallow meadow]

[lost orchid]

i guess we’ll see how many mods they’re gonna eliminate, that’s my reference. 60% of mods are very simple but needed tweaks to the game

[hallow meadow]

Atleast one.

[serene coyote]

fuel side indicator mod fs

[lost orchid]

all vanilla cars are on the right iirc

[serene coyote]

and with the new Spiffo Jarring table/workstation, that mod will be outdated too

[lost orchid]

true

They need to finally add some skill to shooting

[karmic prism]

IDK how you'd add skill to shooting without it being OP

Cuz advanced trajectory does that and it's very OP

Although the advanced trajectory realistic overhaul does nerf the original mod hard

[lost orchid]

yeah it feels more rewarding that you’re the one shooting

aiming is already broken at high levels lol who cares

[karmic prism]

I mean yeah I agree, besides guns are very op irl anyways

I also wanted the devs to make shooting more like advanced trajectory, especially since they're making improvements to shooting in 42

[lost orchid]

yeah like there’s a lot of new variables to shooting now, but in the end you’re still just holding a direction and clicking

[karmic prism]

Yeah, it'll be especially good for pvp or for NPCs that want to fight

I think setting up a range with the empty cans and bottles and with excess ammo, a means to train your aiming a little would be nice

I use a mod for that, and it's not just that it's super easy to get lvl 10 aiming, it just makes sense to make a range and gave me another reason to build a second location away from my home to go drive to, giving me more things to do when more and more zombies die

[lost orchid]

my biggest and forever disappointment comes from the fact that rooftop shooting will always be bad in this style of game

3d zombie games where you can scout out from above and snipe will always be my favorite

MP and SP

[karmic prism]

I actually do that myself by building hunting towers in open areas near town or I just climb open roofs with a climbing rope, I'll snipe zombies from the rooftop

Cuz people think the hunting rifles are kinda unnecessary, nah it's a good way to pop some skulls from far away even on a roof or second story as long as you have line of sight

[lost orchid]

i get it exists

[karmic prism]

It's just kinda jank yeah

[lost orchid]

but the 32 story building won’t be like that

or any pretty high level building

[karmic prism]

Yeah that I understand, we won't be able to snipe from the top of some crane like in DayZ

[lost orchid]

yep

[karmic prism]

I get it, it doesn't bum me out too much but I get it

[lost orchid]

or ghillie suits

[karmic prism]

Granted vanilla zomboid will never have a high focus on some certain military gear

Since, essentially all the military gear we get are gonna be from the national guard at most

[lost orchid]

idk why, there’s so many military bases

[karmic prism]

Well in the vanilla map the only military "base" that's near rosewood isn't even a military base, it's more like a research area

The camps are probably the only actual military bases there are

[lost orchid]

then wb this

making your own ghillie suit

i think a makeshift one could look makeshift but still fool a guy or 2

[karmic prism]

I don't see why not, I imagine the average folk wouldn't know too well on how to make a convincing floral ghillie, but a trash ghillie is pretty easy

[lost orchid]

well these characters aren’t even average folk

lvl 10 any skill you’re pretty much the highest class of that skill

building high tech things, i think some sticks and moss or whatever would be doable

ig it’s up to the modders

[karmic prism]

You also gotta consider the in game rendering, 3d sprites don't blend super well in a 2d background even when both sprites have the exact same textures

Although regardless it is actually pretty easy to hide from players if you know what to look for in the game

[lost orchid]

some places are extremely dark too lol

[karmic prism]

It's just not super easy to be completely aware of your surroundings since you can only see what's in front of you, so stealth against ppl is pretty hard

[lost orchid]

wonder how it’ll be with the new blue tone

[karmic prism]

Yeah exactly, like if you take the time to get to know the environment, a ghillie could help but it'll also likely make your silhouette larger, making you easier to notice anyways

[lost orchid]

are night vision goggles too high tech gear?

[karmic prism]

Since, like the real life tactic for ghillies is that you're to go to a designated marksmans spot for a clear line of site and just lay there for hours until your target hopefully shows up

[lost orchid]

my kind of style

[karmic prism]

Let me look something up, they were a thing in the 90s for sure and I know the national guard had some

[lost orchid]

i could play a game for hours not moving waiting for a moment cuz i love stealth so much lol

[karmic prism]

I think NODs wouldn't be too out of place for vanilla PZ but they may fall in the devs territory of being too high tech yeah

[lost orchid]

you ca literally buy some for less than $100 lol it’s just some infrared light

[karmic prism]

But a good balance would obviously be rarity, as well as a fast battery drain

Well yeah nowadays you can but you just gotta be sure it was just as available in '93

[lost orchid]

i always say i want more high rarity things

[lost orchid]

well we’re talking military for 93

here it’s everyone

[karmic prism]

Everyone does yes, more rare cars, some rare paintings, some rare historical artifacts they're all very nice

Well the reason I'm very adamant of bringing up the national guard in '93 is that I'm assuming these wants we have are to be implemented in vanilla PZ

[lost orchid]

yeah ik

[karmic prism]

Like the reason we don't see SMAAWS or M240 Bravos or is not only just a game balance thing but even when things went to shit in the camps in Louisville it's not far from scope that the military pulled out last second when it got hopeless

Especially since zombified soldiers are actually very very rare, like in the whole map you might find a few hundred

[lost orchid]

actually

since, assuming in pz it’s a planned event, id say having a suspicious array of high military gear isn’t too far fetched

maybe even adding them in the new bunkers?

[karmic prism]

No it isn't, it is possible to find a HEMTT, a Humvee, maybe an M249 whatever, it is technically possible

I reckon at least one of these bunkers is military or government controlled in some manner

Especially since the cold war wasn't super far behind

[lost orchid]

can’t tell if u agree

[karmic prism]

But that's something we'll see whenever 42 lands

[karmic prism]

My bad, yes I agree it isn't far fetched

[lost orchid]

the campaign-like update could maybe involve the military more

like for kate and bob

[karmic prism]

I actually had an idea that the military can be like an antagonist that you gotta survive against, I thought that'd be fun

[lost orchid]

i really wish there’s more meta events, i think it’s planned though

[karmic prism]

Since a big lore implication is that you can't trust the government/military since they kept saying the Knox event is contained right before the airborne strain

I reckon they are, though the only purpose of meta event is to move zombies around

[lost orchid]

yeah but the expanded mod really adds some

and are you saying they only plan to move zombies with each one

[dry peak]

i have a feeling there will be many more when human npcs are added

[karmic prism]

Oh yeah the helicopter events mod, it's so good

[karmic prism]

No the ones right now pretty only move zombies around, and maybe make the world a little spookier

[lost orchid]

they have the helicopter shooting at you and everything lol

and jets

loot drop might be a little much but the idea in vanilla that could be there is maybe using a military radio to trick em into dropping. extremely far fetched

[eternal otter]

We are going to eliminate "some" mods, have fun 😄

[lost orchid]

phew not too many 😅😅😅

[rain zealot]

pls keep Elaina Main Menu Background + Music mod

its way too goated to get eliminated

[pine lintel]

helicopter events are a cool idea but some things are a little off

i really love the detail of the jets flying overhead in the early days, but after that i swear a helicopter would crash every week

[dire hamlet]

Weather has an impact, and there's always sandbox options to lower that %.

[dapper umbra]

They're gonna add Fort Knox at some point.

[frigid vessel]

We need Badass Candles that give badass ambient lighting in B82

[lost orchid]

hell yeah

[empty forum]

oh hell nah my man's got the water candle

[sonic wadi]

They might

Look at structure east of March ridge

Though there is a chance it's something else and I'm just stupid lmao

[lost orchid]

i can’t wait to see the new prison if there is one

[candid stag]

I would prefer it not to be good or evil. Like, if you massacre a bunch of bandits attacking you, their group will still be mad, even if you were in the "right"

[dire hamlet]

My kind of system 👍

[lost orchid]

it’s like rumored

[dire hamlet]

Assuming you're drawing inspiration from TWD/similiar media, would indivdual relationships also be a thing along the group relatioship? I.e.: you get into al altercation with 1 group that later merges into another - would those older members still not like you?

Is that a video game? Faction relationships are in FONV too

[lost orchid]

RIMWORLD*

[dire hamlet]

Ah lol

[lost orchid]

they said they’re doing it almost rimworld style anyways

[balmy tartan]

Yeah, they have an old blog that I linked that discussed that. It was under takes from the metaverse toward the bottom when they talked about NPCs watching their group get killed and then you recruiting the killer and eventually they both encounter each other. The other time they spoke of it was in the their forums about group politics.

[carmine flare]

need

zomboid

[lost orchid]

settle down little one

it’ll be here soon

go back to your chamber

Can @anydev confirm if this update is larger or smaller than B41?

[eternal otter]

Uhhh, imperial or metric system?

[lost orchid]

😏🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[sharp arch]

sauce packets

[urban trench]

I do this as a hobby and another big factor that ppl don't often consider is how intensive it can be on your body, you can't just keep shooting endlessly without taking some time to rest

[dusk verge]

Can I use an absolute system?

[lost orchid]

i assume they will add gloves for this if they include that feature

[craggy grail]

Its not just your draw fingers getting sore. Its taxing on nearly all of your muscles

[lost orchid]

incremental only

[urban trench]

That's right

[lost orchid]

doesn’t the bow straight up hit ur hand sometimes

[craggy grail]

Wrist generally, yeah

Overall forearm

[lost orchid]

it should be fairly easy since there’s a lot of exhaustion mechanics

[craggy grail]

Fs they can make it work easy

[lost orchid]

i just wonder what exactly takes the bow update so long. Is it new shooting? the crafting? idk

if there’s an arrow projectile that would be cool

[urban trench]

Could even get better with repetition (and fitness+strength), since your muscles start to get used to the motions

[craggy grail]

My guess is its this. Getting the actual projectile to work

[lost orchid]

i’d assume it would in the bow skill if it’s more practice than fitness

[lost orchid]

80% certain they’re doing a moving animation rather than physics 💀

[urban trench]

Could work, but would make more sense as a skill for aim and speed

[lost orchid]

eh aiming is diff than good form.

[craggy grail]

Thats true but its also useless without it

[urban trench]

doesn't matter how good I am with a bow if I lack the fitness and strength to use it

[craggy grail]

Its one of those things where you have to be doing 100 things right for the arrow to even go where you aim

[urban trench]

and even then things can go wrong lol

[craggy grail]

And yeah this

[craggy grail]

Exactly

[urban trench]

there's also the arrows to consider, most often then not they break, bend or become unusable, specially if they hit a hard surface

[lost orchid]

that’s why i think that they’ll do combination unlocks. like hot wiring taking from mechanical and electrical

example would then be like 2 fitness, 2 aiming, 2 bow to unlock the next animation of how ur guy looks holding a bow, and the next “less exhaustion” feature

just like working out in the game now

[craggy grail]

Either way i hope its fun and not too oversimulated

While also being somewhat true to life

[lost orchid]

i can guess that the bone knife shown a lot with carving will probably be used for making the bow

also there should be a feature to collect bones from zombies atp tbh

can’t say they got weak bones if they can get through all my armor to bite me

[lost orchid]

for the string holes

[urban trench]

Indeed, fun often outweighs realism, but given Project Zomboid's existing systems, it's reasonable to assume they'll approach it in a way that consumes endurance, isn't a stealth weapon, and is hard to hit precisely

[lost orchid]

isn’t a stealth weapon?

[urban trench]

have you ever shot a bow?

[lost orchid]

i knew it

[craggy grail]

Well itll be more quiet than a gun but

Its makes plenty of noise

[lost orchid]

i have lol and i know there’s the whiplash but definitely a LOT quieter

[dusk verge]

Bone knapping and flint knapping, which do you think will be added? Both?

[lost orchid]

me go napping

[craggy grail]

A well made bow will make less noise than a crappy or damaged one

[urban trench]

The string hitting your skin or clothes barely makes any noise (from my experience at least), the arrow on the other hand does make a lot of noise

[lost orchid]

especially if they add compound bows

[dusk verge]

Assuming we have variants of bows. Flimsy bow, thread bow, rope bow, metal wire bow, military bow, etc.

[lost orchid]

i’m talking the wind noise, the arrow making noise is fine cuz you’re not centralizing the sound on yourself atleast

[dusk verge]

I rather not have only 1 type of bow.

If we will get bows, I want a variety.

[urban trench]

Hopefully yeah

[dusk verge]

It's all-in or none.

[craggy grail]

You can try use a metal wire for a string if you like but.. say goodbye to yo fingers 😅

[dusk verge]

Not in Project Zomboid.

[lost orchid]

pulling this out again, gotta read if there’s a diff bow

[lost orchid]

there we go

[dusk verge]

If zombies can take 5 stories drop like it's nothing, then a metal wire bow won't cut fingers.

[craggy grail]

Just slap a guitar string on a branch and you're good to go

[lost orchid]

2 different crossbows, and a recurve bow. definitely will be seeing different

[empty forum]

behold

harp

[urban trench]

lmao

[dusk verge]

I have a hard time reading the text that small.

[dusk verge]

.............. That's genius.

[lost orchid]

crank cocking crossbow, crossbow, recurve bow

[dusk verge]

I want to go a step further. Piano wire bow.

We have pianos in the game already.

But I don't know about harps.

[craggy grail]

Frickin dark souls great bow shit

[empty forum]

zomboids when I hit em with the cock cranking crossbow

[dusk verge]

That's for might and magic, something that won't be in the game.

[craggy grail]

Lol obvi

[dusk verge]

And playing the "Baby, You Spin Me Right Round" song?

[lost orchid]

guitar string bow too

[lost orchid]

bro invented another helicopter event💀

[empty forum]

I wanna go an entire dimension further -- modifying instruments like weapons but only to change how you play them

lemme put piano strings in my guitar like I'm Kurt Cobain

[dusk verge]

Oh yes, B42 will have 260 different sound effects. We need something with musical instruments.

Like, let people play musical instruments, pluck some sounds, and decrease boredom.

[lost orchid]

they should add a ui piano when you click it

[empty forum]

something basic like Starbound's abc notation system would be kind of cool for multiplayer

[craggy grail]

Also a great way to attract an audience 😃

Fun lure

[empty forum]

like I play hella guitar IRL, I'd love to noodle a bit in a cozy zombie-proof shelter as well

[craggy grail]

Would give whoever does the music a bit to do

[empty forum]

hopping on Louisville stage with an amp and an electric guitar hooked up to it

[craggy grail]

"Are you ready to fuckin rock LV?!"

The hordes wont be able to resist

[empty forum]

and the crowd goes "braiiiinnsss...."

[lost orchid]

so happy devs chose ‘93, with what people wish for, 2013 and above would’ve been hell in the forums

legit would’ve been a forum of rebuilding GTA

[craggy grail]

They really did nail the look of the 90's at night

The sodium street lights are so iconic lol

[empty forum]

only needs an astigmatism filter to make the lights look all shimmery

[lost orchid]

yeah the videos they showed w new lighting

[craggy grail]

Great attention to detail from the indie game store

[lost orchid]

congrats to MadDan for having the great honor of posting this discussion yet another time

[dapper umbra]

Although this was in the revealed plans, it's still possible that some of the finer details in this diagram have been reworked.

[dapper umbra]

Probably a combination of balancing out the crafting logic for both the bows and the arrows, and making the models and sprites, and making the 3D animations on the model when in use, and integrating the whole thing into the existing ranged weapons aiming system, and balancing combat viability through reload time, noise, range, damage, etc., not to mention how these factors may be integrated with the quality-based performance aspect of the crafting system.

Saying it out loud, it makes a lot of sense why they put bows on the back burner. They need to make sure that the systems that it relies on are all working. Plus the artists are probably stacked right now. We're still getting a massive boatload of items that they need to make sprites and models for. Heck, I'm pretty sure paper bags don't have sprites yet.

[craggy grail]

Time for a spot of practice before the comp

[dapper umbra]

Is this channel what knapping is? https://youtube.com/@lavabladez?si=2r-FKO4a1mIVhld4

[lost orchid]

yeah

[lost orchid]

nice to play some simulations before getting into the real thing in pz 😂

[dapper umbra]

Bows will probably be the first weapon that will actually animate when in use. All other weapons since have been static models rigged to our players' hands. Bows bend when aimed.

[lost orchid]

yeah and it’d be hilarious if they animate it by making it part of the player instead of a separate object 😂

[ruby cairn]

Another thing I'm sure Grappletech will be useful for!

[lost orchid]

if its expensive code i dont think it should be used since its moving with the player anyways

[dusk verge]

Either way, definitely something after B42 unstable release.

[empty forum]

maxing out my knapping skill

[pseudo crypt]

Fr

[lost orchid]

damn 😭

i will say i’m fine with it as an idea, however i completely understand the fact that it’ll make things worse with the nails and wood furniture gives

[pine lintel]

I'm fine with it as an idea so long as changes are made to accomodate it

[lost orchid]

maybe longer dismantle time?

[pine lintel]

as I said earlier, because you get very few materials from dismantling it's only going to require you to dismantle more things to then build things

[lost orchid]

i’m sure if they double or more the dismantle time that no one will be willing to spend that long when there’s trees

[pine lintel]

So I'd imagine a good way to balance it would be to either increase the amount of materials you get or to increase the xp you get by building

[lost orchid]

again the building thing is a problem with more exp bc again they just dismantle to get the materials to build

[pine lintel]

i think this is not a good way to go about it

increasing the time it takes for me to clear out a room is only going to discourage me from engaging with the systems

[lost orchid]

what systems?

[pine lintel]

dismantling and building

[lost orchid]

no i’m talking about furniture dismantling

not any build

[pine lintel]

yeah, dismantling furniture is already time consuming for little reward

(minus big beds)

[lost orchid]

how long do you think it’d take to make a sofa into planks with a saw than a prebuilt chair?

[lost orchid]

-that gives exp

[sharp arch]

i never bothered with leveling up skills because of how boring it was so if there are more hands on approach to leveling im down for that

think carpentry was the only one i ever leveled up?

[lost orchid]

without exp, it’s simply a time consuming process to get wood. What game even gives you the option of dismantling every piece of furniture? i don’t see it a problem to make it longer to dismantle while also giving the little reward it already does because the devs don’t want them removed anyways unless you’re trying to pick up the whole furniture to place in your own base which if you really care then a little extra time doesn’t hurt

[pine lintel]

I dont think we're on the same page here

I'm just saying that removing XP from dismantling is a bad decision

[lost orchid]

i was giving an idea to make it unproblematic to keep it

the removing exp

[pine lintel]

For me, I think the best way to go about it is to drastically reduce XP gain from dismantling while drastically increasing XP gain from building

[lost orchid]

how’s drastically reducing different than removing?

[pine lintel]

Because i totally understand where TIS is coming from for the change, I agree that dismantling ruins the map in long term servers

[pine lintel]

because in environments or situations where chopping wood is either inconvenient or impossible, leveling up carpentry is extremely difficult

[lost orchid]

if someone is min maxing, then even if something gives exp, they’re gonna choose whatever is fastest

[lost orchid]

i guess yeah

but in that case what is carpentry gonna do for you?

if you can’t chop wood why are u leveling it?😂

[pine lintel]

Carpentry is currently objectively the best skill to level

8x barricaded windows, cheap structures, universal furniture options

[lost orchid]

i’m saying that in that spot where you can’t chop wood, for example let’s say you can’t find an axe anywhere

[pine lintel]

you will want carpentry no matter where you are on the map

[median pecan]

Simply chop with your hands

[lost orchid]

drastically reducing vs removing is almost no different

because you just get the materials from the dismantled furniture

and build from there to get the most exp

[pine lintel]

you get almost zero materials from dismantling, even at level 10

[lost orchid]

no one is gonna actually dismantle and leave the wood if the building gives so much exp

[pine lintel]

while you need 4 planks for one wall, you get MAYBE 1 plank from a desk

because there is still failure at level 10

[lost orchid]

do you not see a problem here? by drastically reducing exp and giving players just a bit of hope of exp gain in the scenario where there is no axe, they will GRIND THE HELL out of dismantling bc of how much more work it needs. Obviously they have nothing to lose if they can’t chop trees, so this is their only hope

[pine lintel]

i dont think you're getting my point

[lost orchid]

this scenario id say it’s even better to keep the exp how it is

[pine lintel]

players are currently ALREADY encouraged to ravage the map for XP

but TIS wants to encourage building over destroying

[lost orchid]

yes, and you’re saying to reduce it instead of removing just in case someone needs exp with no way of chopping wood

[pine lintel]

but because only building is very costly, allowing for a slight amount of XP for dismantling allows players to still develop skills in suboptimal situations

So if they INCREASE xp gain for building; to encourage leveling via construction, all the while DECREASING xp gain from destroying; to discourage it while still allowing it

you create a dynamic where it is objectively advantageous to BUILD rather than DESTROY, while maintaining the ability to dismantle for xp

[lost orchid]

and what does the first scenario do in this new dynamic? the one where it’s hard to build bc no axe spawns

[pine lintel]

you dont need an axe to build

[lost orchid]

i mean for the materials

[pine lintel]

you can engage with carpentry with as little as a hammer and a saw

that's the other end of the problem

[lost orchid]

yeah it was my point from the start

i don’t see a way around it

[pine lintel]

if TIS wants to prevent you from destroying the map, but trees aren't immediately available, you're just straight screwed for carpentry

because dismantling yields next to zero materials

[lost orchid]

but when you include exp into it like you said, it’s a worth it case

[pine lintel]

that's the entire crux of what I'm saying. current carpentry REQUIRES dismantling to level up within a human lifetime

[lost orchid]

and will cause dismantling from people who have time on their hands

[pine lintel]

so removing that neuters carpentry

not if building is more efficient, which is why I said to increase xp gain

i think we're talking in circles now

[lost orchid]

yup

i’m talking material aspect you’re talking exp aspect

[pine lintel]

i'm literally talking both

you dont seem to be considering what I'm saying

[lost orchid]

Okay, look. We know the problem with the current state

dismantling is a why not for free exp

[pine lintel]

it's not a 'why not', it's the best way to do it

[lost orchid]

they wanna save the map by just removing exp and possibly highering building exp

this will cause people to remove it anyway if they don’t have an axe or need nails

to then build with the new high exp gain

From here i don’t know what to do to help it

to completely eliminate it while giving very niche reasons to dismantle if necessary

option: higher dismantle time

right now it takes what, 4 seconds?

if we’re talking realistically, it would take like 10 minutes if it’s not cared for

i think that’s like 40 seconds in game time so nvm. But 10 seconds seems perfectly fine since we’re talking zero exp and only for niche cases

so far i only see a better addition assuming the change is going through anyway 🤷‍♂️ if you care for the dismantling, 10 seconds is nothing, if you’re doing it for free materials in every house, find an axe instead and get to chopping

[serene coyote]

I wonder if they will slightly increase XP gain from sawing logs and barricading windows or doors to further compensate as well

[lost orchid]

barricading and sawing logs doesn’t really make sense to be a reliable source of carpentry exp

learning to make stairs and strong crates from hammering nails 😂 whatever it is it shouldn’t be increased

[serene coyote]

yeah, idt those two activities should be the prime or best ways to level up XP, but given that disassembling (one of the best methods to level up carpentry) will soon be removed, then idt it would hurt to also slightly boost XP for these two activities to further encourage barricading and sawing at early levels then transition to building items at higher levels

oh and any MP server should auto-ban players who will still disassemble furniture for carpentry XP and leave all the scrap wood on the floor without cleaning up after themselves

[dusk verge]

Did they ever say with knapping skills at level 10, you can create a makeshift sledgehammer?

[lost orchid]

thats more metalworking

[dusk verge]

Or is the sledgehammer forever going to be the exclusive weapon to demolish walls?

Ok, swap knapping with metalworking, please.

[pine lintel]

more or less, i'd imagine. you don't use it for anything else

unless TIS intends to allow us to forge railroad tracks

[light badge]

Hello

[dusk verge]

Being able to automate transportation of goods will be "mine"-blowing.

(Makeshift minecarts)

[sharp arch]

Yes it was in a blog

[lost orchid]

automation is something they will neverrrrrr add

[sharp arch]

Zleighride

I think is misread cause im dum dum

[lost orchid]

wasn’t that dismantling

dismantling the railroad

to use it as an anvil

[sharp arch]

Yah to make anvils n stuff, my bad

[lost orchid]

yes your bad

cuz it ain’t mine

they should take advantage of radial menus more

i love how it is for cars it’s so useful

we need a general radial for eating or first aid

[sharp arch]

Radial for brishing my chickens

[lost orchid]

would be extremely useful. I hate looking for my food in my inventory. don’t even say it’s realistic cuz i’m sure you’d know where food is in your pocket. it’s all one menu here

[lost orchid]

patting sheep radial

[sharp arch]

Malki g cows

Milking mooery

[serene coyote]

petting raccoons you encounter in the forest

[lost orchid]

and spiders ofc

[craggy grail]

Radial menus are bloody fantastic. They work on muscle memory so once you know em well enough its super quick to interface with. Plus they are perfect for controller support

[lost orchid]

fr imagine shooting and needing to go to ur inventory and right clicking gun and all

to reload and unjam

[frail mantle]

So they're finally doing something about the education system in Kentucky

No more learning woodworking via taking a sledgehammer to every single double bed in the area

[candid stag]

I literally have no idea, but I imagine so. Lemmy always talks about Crusader Kings, and that has so many opinion modifiers and such that makes fun storytelling

[candid stag]

It is 13 feet

[candid stag]

Fun and not oversimulated? You're in the wrong place mate!

[serene bay]

😍

Over simulated is how we like it!

[candid stag]

Well, that's real life too. No trees means less wood. Get welding instead.

[craggy grail]

Not at all. I think you guys tend to hit a pretty good sweet spot overall

[rain zealot]

build 41 was 2 feets?

[gusty trail]

Hell no, all of those opinion modifiers do a poor job for role play since there's no limitations or logic to them
It's so easy to get your rival who hates you for murdering his entire family to end up liking you due to a nice and shiny piece of metal you own

Tldr; please don't use CK3 as a reference for role playing aspect, it's horrible and superficial and it's one of the biggest community complaints for a few years now

[gusty trail]

you can also try a find a hardware store

[woven chasm]

Have you read any of the NPC blogs out of curiousity? CK is a huge inspiration for Lemmy and has been since the start of PZ pretty much

[dapper umbra]

Never played CK, but aren't those games more in line of directly interacting with countries rather than individuals?

[gusty trail]

It's good that it's an inspiration, I'm just highlighting the bad parts of it
NGL it's a good inspiration to have in general, it's just that the opinion stacking is the worst part of the game so not something that should be modelled against

[gusty trail]

You play a character that may hold titles so you are meant to interact with other characters on the map

It's a good game if you play it heavily modded, the base game, especially with DLCs, is far from challenging and you just snowball by doing what the game tells you to do without any need to think anything through

[sonic kraken]

it looks like evenings will be more fun with the new light system

[rain zealot]

yes

[novel dust]

The player models and zombie models in the Grappletech video look improved, at-least

[sharp arch]

wait

[bitter beacon]

Im surprised that no one has adressed this but Muldraugh is supposed to be a low-income town. Even the wiki says: "Muldraugh is a particularly low wealth and low income town, with much of its infrastructure noticeably old and in poor shape." "Many residents lived below the poverty line, relying on Muldraugh's soup kitchen on Dixie Hwy and the large amount of mobile homes for shelter. "
The new buildings look sick and i can't wait to check them out don't get me wrong but i feel like it doesnt give that old rugged town look and feel that the wiki says. The police station, cortman medical and school look brand new. But hey we can always change the wiki and it doesnt have to be as accurate as possible to the real world. Hell we have 3 fictional towns (Riverside, March Ridge, Rosewood). I love this game and i appreciate the developers for what they are planning to do and they should keep these awesome changes. I just wanted to point that out.

[sharp arch]

yay no more floor pancake zombies?!

[lost orchid]

it has been addressed, it was talked about last blog

[bitter beacon]

cant find anything related to this

oh found it

[bitter beacon]

yes well how should i say this... that is not the last blog

[lost orchid]

? it is

[sharp arch]

[bitter beacon]

the last blog is cortman by night

[lost orchid]

bruh

[sharp arch]

lol

[bitter beacon]

this is the one before

[rain zealot]

😭

[lost orchid]

alright buckaroo

[sharp arch]

anyways i think its awesome theyre fixing it up since that was the first town we spawned in , like the heart of pz towns

[rain zealot]

yeah

[sharp arch]

now do rosewood!!

[lost orchid]

pretty sure they’re doing more places

[rain zealot]

rosewood is prob getting overhaul as well

[sharp arch]

ooo and fartridge

[rain zealot]

i think every spawn town is getting upgrade

[bitter beacon]

hey dont get me wrong thanks for correcting me but doesnt the last one mean the newest?

[sharp arch]

me and marchridge have beef

[rain zealot]

i mean yeah but you can also say current (this one) and last one (the biomic man)

but lets not argue. ples

[lost orchid]

generally tend to use last as the one before and this for the one we’re on

[bitter beacon]

ok ok thanks for the clarification

im sorry

[lost orchid]

not a big deal 😂

[bitter beacon]

rosewood could actually benefit from a more modern setting as its considered a wealthy town

[lost orchid]

the real issue with cortman isn’t how it looks

it’s how there’s only 3 parking spots 😂

where would the workers park

[bitter beacon]

you could argue that most of the workers go on foot to their job

[rain zealot]

or with bicycles

(even tho pz doesnt have them for some reason)

[bitter beacon]

bicycles.... i sure hope we see that

[sharp arch]

is tha tir ?

[lost orchid]

yeah i would too if i wouldn’t find parking 💀

[sharp arch]

it

[bitter beacon]

bravens mod doesnt look that appealing to me but hey thats just my opinion

[rain zealot]

theres mod for it and it works so well so idk why they wouldnt just borrow da code and use it

[sharp arch]

maybe they live there !

[lost orchid]

yeah just watch the video at the end

[rain zealot]

yeah wheels look lil weird and the sitting animations

but its functional atleast👍🏾

[bitter beacon]

but the fact you get tired is pretty cool

[rain zealot]

yep

[bitter beacon]

maybe the coworkers with cars take the workers without the cars ? 😅

you know something like commuting

[rain zealot]

could be possible. small communities often help each other out

[bitter beacon]

yo i just tought about something

when the npcs are added they could drive us to other towns

[sharp arch]

thats by the riverboat right?

[bitter beacon]

they said they were going to work on driving npcs

[bitter beacon]

you mean the basement?

[sharp arch]

no the map

[rain zealot]

maybe. but i think they are mostly used for gathering materials, protection and slavery😭

[lost orchid]

yeah it’s still there in the pic too

[rain zealot]

but it would be cool if thats possible

[sharp arch]

riverside gonna be the bestest sector EVAR

[bitter beacon]

something like trading some stuff and they could get you anywhere you want but only if its discovered on your map

[lost orchid]

WE NEED TO DISCUSS SOMETHING IMPORTANT

[sharp arch]

sporks?

[lost orchid]

what the hell is b42 gonna do for end game challenge wise?

[rain zealot]

oh. well thats cool but personally wouldnt trust my car on npc in world full of zombies

[bitter beacon]

also why the hell do you spawn with no knowledge of your hometown

negative trait: tourist - no knowledge of the map whatsoever -1 point 💀

[sharp arch]

brushing cows

[rain zealot]

lowkey new negative traits like this would be cool. i want something with mental health as well. there is many physical negatives in game😭

like depression, ptsd, anxiety, paranoia

[bitter beacon]

i saw a dude comment that if you get too depressed your character could try to end their lives

[rain zealot]

that would be cool also but kinda annoyning if u dont know how to manage your pz character depression😭

[bitter beacon]

animals prolly gonna help with that

maybe get a pet and give you like -20 every day

but only once tho

[rain zealot]

maybe

it would be cool if our normal character gets depression later on even tho we dont pick the trait.

[bitter beacon]

that could also work great with gunslingers redemption mod

[rain zealot]

(you can prevent it with pets and other stuff)

[sharp arch]

i would disable that lol

[bitter beacon]

yea.. i mean imagine surviving 5 years and going for a bathroom break accidentally leaving your game open and returning to your character dead 💀

[sharp arch]

depression: character takes 5 years to get out of bed, just lays in bed , and just sits there with no motivation to do anything

[rain zealot]

😭

[sharp arch]

no way dude lol my char i had lived for a month id be so bittersworth

[bitter beacon]

the one thing im super exited for this update is the lore

[sharp arch]

IMAGINE all the bug reports and steam forums people crying lol

[rain zealot]

schizophrenia would be cool also. maybe more than +8 trait points like in that mod but make it balanced

[rain zealot]

real

[bitter beacon]

im so invested in this game's lore like scrolling a good couple minutes through the wiki

[rain zealot]

(someone will make among us mod about it and then its ruined)

[bitter beacon]

when do you guys think the update will come out

[rain zealot]

october-november

[bitter beacon]

i think somwhere around middle of autumn

[rain zealot]

just because of halloween theme😭

[lost orchid]

pretty sure they wouldn’t care about that lol

[bitter beacon]

worst thing is that it is when school is in full motion 💀

[rain zealot]

yeah maybe they wont

[lost orchid]

they would only care about that for stable release. Unstable doesn’t matter

[rain zealot]

yeah

maybe unstable in 1-2 months. next thursdoid we could get unstable release date

😈

[bitter beacon]

that would be pretty sick

[lost orchid]

if we would get a release date it would be like a week before

[rain zealot]

yep

but they said its coming somewhere in 2024 many times so i believe wait is coming to the end

[bitter beacon]

31 december 11:59

[rain zealot]

its either august's thurdoid or september thursdoid

[lost orchid]

it’s weird though

including bows, it would’ve been 2024 release, just longer wait time

once unstable comes out,

are we expecting bows just a month or 2 later?

there should be no reason to have bows over 6 months later if it was originally planned and planned for 2024

[bitter beacon]

well isnt unstable like all of the things but its kinda buggy and such?

or unstable is like the most wanted things first and then the rest

[lost orchid]

unstable is usually the whole build but less polished

[sharp arch]

hopefully not next month or the month after , so many games n stuff are coming out next month

so many thinsg so little time!!!

[lost orchid]

september-october have all the games

they better not wait for november

just do august

[sharp arch]

noo wow and diablo and helldivers come stuff comes out!

next month lol

[lost orchid]

august has all the indie games coming out lol i noticed

it can easily overpower them

[bitter beacon]

anyway i just hope it comes out this year

[lost orchid]

it will

inshallah

[sharp arch]

it will

[lost orchid]

well unless they say something

[bitter beacon]

id be way more thankful getting a good unstable even tho some things arent polished rather than having a half completed update

they can take all the time they want

[lost orchid]

idk if it’s just me but i feel like this update is only gonna add optional quests for you to do if you really want to from boredom, like making a sword or smth.

But for someone who has it all, like literally every playthrough, there’s no reason to make a sword or carve a spoon.

Even animals are gonna produce hella food when we already had a great source with farming. you can just freeze it all and have infinite food.

All these changes feel like stuff to do only to relieve boredom, and not actually needing to do anything

this build only sounds good for the wilderness map. Everything else has easy looting

[bitter beacon]

yea but the new locations offer a big amount to the exciting stuff

[lost orchid]

that’s different

the crafting stuff they said is good for endgame

[bitter beacon]

well yea swords and such

[lost orchid]

like relieving your endgame experience

[bitter beacon]

they said theres gonna be 300 or so new melee weapons

[lost orchid]

but it’s only stuff you would choose to do out of boredom

[bitter beacon]

you could try crafting them all

[neat path]

Now use all 3 slots to park a bus - boom, you have at least 20 people delivered to work

[lost orchid]

yeah out of boredom. there’s always stuff to do in PZ if all it is is “quests to do”

[bitter beacon]

yea....

[sharp arch]

there is probably options or something

at least i hope , i always put my farming harvest on very poor in my games

and i still get quite a lot of stuff

[bitter beacon]

well almost all games are boring after you get good/reach the endgame

the thing is you need to find determination

set yourself some goals

[lost orchid]

ik that’s always a thing in pz, im saying what does this update do to help. i dont see it solving

[bitter beacon]

for example my longest surviving character had a bucketlist of things to do

from finding a chevalier cossete and repairing it to the max to clearing out whole towns

its the mentality you choose to play with

[sharp arch]

i mean its a sandbox game kind of like minecraft im not sure if there really is a way other than to have options for it being difficult to achieve

gregtech in pz when lol

[lost orchid]

for example farming or looking for guns and ammo

that’s stuff that are needed and are most fun

because without it you won’t survive

[sharp arch]

see i dont use guns , anytime i do i die so i just avoid them

[lost orchid]

but after having everything all you do are bucket lists

[lost orchid]

any gun is good the problem is the ammo

[sharp arch]

yeah i honestly dont know how you combat that , farming i guess add pests?

[lost orchid]

whatever ammo u think u have it’s not enough

[bitter beacon]

if you dont have ammo? yes avoid them as much as possible but if you have like 4 boxes of shotgun shells dont be afraid to blast

[lost orchid]

well bandits sure do

[sharp arch]

yah i tried on my last save to use some sniper rifle i found and i used so much ammo aiming at nothing lol

[lost orchid]

you could be advanced in ur base but bandits would come

[bitter beacon]

i feel like the vanilla game needs more guns in terms of variety

[sharp arch]

see im a puss id rather have them steal it and avoid combat , but try and steal an animal ill beat you with my spork

[bitter beacon]

i mean its kentucky

[sharp arch]

not my chickens

[bitter beacon]

but not over the top like britas

vanilla firearms expansion is a good example of a great mod

it adds a pretty decent amount while not being op

and supressed guns are extremely rare

[sharp arch]

tis is usually really good at implementing their own style and version of stuff like that , actually interested in checking guns out

normally i just avoid them

[bitter beacon]

the most common being the mark2 SD variant which uses 22lr and its not that powerful in game

[bitter beacon]

exactly

[lost orchid]

wonder why they avoid using real guns

[bitter beacon]

JS-2000 is a great example

[bitter beacon]

well trademarks first of all

[sharp arch]

dirst sounded better lol

[lost orchid]

that’s a thing?

[sharp arch]

yes lol

[lost orchid]

thought its general

[sharp arch]

can we have potato guns?!

[bitter beacon]

the JS-2000 is based of a Remington model 870

REmington has a trademark

[lost orchid]

go ask them

[bitter beacon]

lol

[neat path]

Resident Evilmington

[lost orchid]

every game has real guns it shouldn’t be too hard

whatever they said they aren’t doing that

[bitter beacon]

COD a major FPS doesnt use real guns name

[bitter beacon]

well they use it after a common name

like 1911 or m9

[sharp arch]

potato gun pls tis

[bitter beacon]

not the exact specific name

[lost orchid]

yes they do

ak47 or smth

[neat path]

Real guns or real gun names?
For the former - most of it seems to be directly based off of real guns, just low poly.
For the latter - likely trademarks but dunno at that point

[bitter beacon]

the ak74 u is named kastov

mp5 is lachmann sub

[bitter beacon]

well yea thats not trademark

[neat path]

Nowadays there's both games that go all in for fictional names (even CS:GO/CS2, despite having 90% real world names), and also games that go full on real names (f.e. Arma Reforger)

[bitter beacon]

the Avtomat Khalashnikov prolly is

[neat path]

I don't believe most games acquired rights to use the names

[sharp arch]

you can drive by shoot? lol

[bitter beacon]

also the devs stated that they wont add any specific named weapons

[neat path]

You need to be a passenger I think

[sharp arch]

yah i like when they use their own names for stuff , its usually funny

[neat path]

Named as in "golden AK" etc.?

[lost orchid]

yeah and if you use a 2 handed weapon u can’t steer i’m pretty sure😂

[bitter beacon]

no

wait i can send you the link if i find it

[sharp arch]

dang , time to tell my friend ill pick them up on the corner and just drive by and crash into a tree

[neat path]

Please do 🙏🏽

[bitter beacon]

while i look for it i can remember it said that they wont add any specific named weapons like the m14 or the ak47

but they added the m14

and it also contained a lot of other confired yes and no's from TIS

[neat path]

Instead of "only if it's discovered on your map", it should be "only if it's discovered on your or the NPC's map"

I like the idea tho

[sharp arch]

one more time like im 5

[neat path]

Oh right I think I know what you're talking about

[bitter beacon]

i was thinking about the npc also but i figured you would show the location from your map

[neat path]

Make knowledge sharing a thing 🤔

"Oh yeah you knew about that town to the south of Louisville?" etc.

[neat path]

If either the player OR the NPC has the location marked on their map, the player can tell the NPC to take the player there

[bitter beacon]

found it

these are some confirmed no's

[neat path]

Isn't it pretty much just a "we won't spoil the fun and add stuff when and if we feel like it", instead of "those guns 100% won't be added"?

That would also line up with the fact M14 is in the game

[bitter beacon]

these are some confirmed yes and maybes

[bitter beacon]

yea well i said earlier they did add the m14

hell even the m16

[neat path]

Yes, you did

[bitter beacon]

we could maybe see some more guns?

[neat path]

Just saying that they might've meant that they won't tell us what they'll add

[bitter beacon]

i sure hope so

[neat path]

Same here

I do hope to be able to roleplay the military one day 🥲

[bitter beacon]

military as a ocupation wouldnt make sense

[neat path]

You know, stuff like autorifleman (player) + assistant (ammo carrier, NPC) (or the other way around)

[bitter beacon]

since you would be deployed somwhere

[neat path]

"You were on leave and the virus caught you off-guard..."

[sharp arch]

LOL

[neat path]

But yeah generally speaking it doesn't make much sense

[bitter beacon]

i just saw that one of the confirmed no's was voiceover

but we are getting something similar with the grunts

[neat path]

And I mean dynamically - so you start out as you normally would (random house in Rosewood with no occupation for example), then as you gear up and join (lead) a group, you assign specific roles to NPCs

So that you can have a basic "squad" structure etc.

[bitter beacon]

well they are going to add fort knox and maybe you could become a "soldier" there

but that is after the first stage of npcs

[neat path]

But that would require in-depth hierarchy, when there's the main leader(s), then some higher ranking NPCs/players, then some less higher ranking, then the "grunts"

[sonic wadi]

A little late but the devs showed an amp sprite a while back in one of the basements showcase

[neat path]

If I understand the plans correctly that should be possible, at least up to squad level

Fingers crossed platoons will also be possible, maybe even up to company strength

But that all depends on how many NPCs there will be

If it's 10 per map, for example, then that's already out of question

If it's 100, squads will be possible (remember there will be multiple groups on the map, not necessarily friendly with each other)

If it's 1000, then God help us all because our PCs will explode we might just get a frontline going in a 2-to-3-sided war over the entire map

[bitter beacon]

it would be cool that you could disobey orders and maybe become an outcast and even an enemy if it has bad consequences (or however you write it) and the opposite (become a liked person and maybe get a higher rank) if it has a good consequejnashfk-

[dry peak]

off topic but i’m not so sure i really like the muldraugh updates im seeing. they look amazing and all that but i just really dont think they fit in with what muldraugh is supposed to be. cortman looks like a plantation house now and it to me just doesnt look right

[bitter beacon]

prolly somwhere around 50-100 at first

[bitter beacon]

just discussed it earlier

[neat path]

At first the NPCs will be non-persistent tho (random encounters)

[bitter beacon]

it has been adressed by the team

[dry peak]

ah i haven’t scrolled tbh

[neat path]

Only NPCs stage 2 will add persistence + basic grouping

Then stage 3 will add the fancy mechanics

And with those fancy mechanics I hope for full-scale combat being possible

[dry peak]

to me the new cortman would look perfect in rosewood or west point rather than muldraugh, because muldraugh is meant to be a typical southern “this town hasn’t seen any rich people since the 1800s” kinda thing

[bitter beacon]

i had the same issue saying that it wont fit the old low income town look but the devs stated in "the bionic man" they are working on it

[dry peak]

very true yeah

[neat path]

• multi-group groups (i.e. factions, with a single leader or a few leaders (council-like) gathering multiple groups together)

[bitter beacon]

i see you enjoy strategy games

[dry peak]

the rusty rifle looks AMAZING tho, i gotta say

[neat path]

You got me lol

[bitter beacon]

yea that one actually fits in

[bitter beacon]

steel division or hoi 4 am i right?

[neat path]

Ngl that's what I'd very gladly do in PZ

[dry peak]

a little more wear and tear on the walls and all and it’s perfect

[neat path]

HOI4

But it's not my favorite game nor my most played

[bitter beacon]

the only big issue i have is the police station. Looks too modern

[dry peak]

i hope they add the kind of branching dialogue i’ve always dreamt of in survival games where you can just make a fire with some random group you meet on the highway and you can discuss how the apocalypse has been for you and hear their stories

[bitter beacon]

it looks like it got teleported from louisville

[dry peak]

agreed, it looks like a 21st century police station too lol

[neat path]

If I may...
IRL Muldraugh has a combo fire-police station

[dry peak]

that’s true

[neat path]

And getting the address for the police station is kinda hard because the building figures as "Fire Station" on Google

[dry peak]

the town is so small they didn’t bother building both

[neat path]

Yeah

[bitter beacon]

thats actually pretty interesting

[neat path]

And they have only like 1 police car

Currently an SUV but I know they also wrecked a Ford CVPI

Yes, wrecked (in a road accident)

[bitter beacon]

ekron is going to have a fire station if we take it from google maps

[dry peak]

they would

[neat path]

Muldraugh doesn't so ye

Might not get it, might get it - hard to say

[neat path]

Oh riiight it's 1993 forgor 💀

[dry peak]

ekron i think is probably the furthest reach from an irl location any of the towns are based upon, i looked it up and its not even close

aside from that lake yeah

[neat path]

Which makes me wonder: what kinda vehicle livery did they use back in 1993? I know the modern livery (easy to find on Google), but the 90s one is literally not available anywhere

[dry peak]

in terms of actual locations within the town ekron i don’t think is based on anything

[sharp arch]

hamburger lake

[dry peak]

if i had to guess probably a pretty basic one

[dry peak]

my friends and i always call it cashew pond

[neat path]

Currently they have black + blue stripe through the sides + nicely stylized "POLICE" on the sides + smaller, non-stylized "POLICE" on the back

[bitter beacon]

its pretty faithful to the one we are being shown in the dev blogs

[neat path]

That's KSP, personally I'm talking about MPD (Muldraugh Police Department)

[dry peak]

one thing i love about the dev team is that they pay good attention to that kind of thing

[bitter beacon]

ooh

well i dont think they are going to add specifically town liveries

[neat path]

They mentioned "local sheriffs" though, in terms of vehicles

KSP is far from local

[dry peak]

back then muldraugh probably just had county police cars instead of town-specific ones

[bitter beacon]

that might be somthing similar to the green ones

[dry peak]

that town was probably quite a bit smaller back then

[bitter beacon]

i forgot their names

the forest thingy

[neat path]

If ChatGPT is to be trusted (it's not as I've learned on multiple occasions), MPD is quite old

[neat path]

Park Ranger

[dry peak]

fair point

[bitter beacon]

its a rural kentucky town, prolly nothing changed

also this put me on toughts. What if we have buildings in game that were built in the 2000's and devs prolly dont know

[dry peak]

in the law enforcement overhaul mod (whatever it’s specifically called, i don’t remember) they have the meade county police cars and i think that’s probably the most accurate that we’d see to what muldraugh had back in the day

[dry peak]

i doubt very many people say muldraugh back in 1993 so it’s probably not a discernible issue but you never know

[neat path]

Actually I'm wrong, GPT refuses to provide a date 🤣

[dry peak]

maybe the town had some sort of miraculous glow up before google maps. who knows

[bitter beacon]

yea

[neat path]

And I'm unable to look for this info myself because I'm European and American sites don't like me

[bitter beacon]

actually there was something that let you saw satellite pics from like the 80-90's

but i highly doubt we could see muldraugh

[dry peak]

all i know is that i grew up an hour and a half north of louisville and we’d drive through it every winter to go see family and the real city is borderline disgusting near all the freeway bridges and such. most of it’s a slum (that i’ve seen from a distance, in a moving vehicle lol)

[bitter beacon]

dayum you from near there?

[dry peak]

it’s not the same without the ugly ass highway bridges everywhere

[bitter beacon]

thats cool dude

[bitter beacon]

prolly think about what happens if pz becomes real every day

[dry peak]

yep, i probably drove through the muldraugh area a time or two as well and didn’t know it

[bitter beacon]

thats awesome dude

[dry peak]

all the small highway towns in the south all look the same tho. wouldn’t surprise me if we did and i just didn’t bother enough to look up at the signs

then again that was way before i even knew of zomboid, i now live on the other side of the country lol

now i’d have my face slammed against the window drooling at every tree “woahhhh it’s just like zomboid!!!!!!”

[bitter beacon]

thats so cool dude i wonder if there is at least one person from west point/muldraugh that plays pz

[dry peak]

maybe, i do know that looking up muldraugh shows zomboid before the actual town itself and the mayor pointed it out which i thought was funny

[bitter beacon]

yea

[dry peak]

if i remember right he said he might consider doing a zomboid event thing on july 9th some year

genuinely i would fly out there for that

who wants to meet at the rusty rifle ⁉️

[bitter beacon]

that actually reminds me that someone that can acces and edit wikipedia pages should add to Brandenburg a "in popular media" page that says it is in project zomboid

since we have west point and muldraugh with that info

[dry peak]

it’s not technically polished in the game yet but i’m sure it will be once it’s added fully

i’ve yet to look up brandenburg, is it somewhat faithful to the real location?

[bitter beacon]

the boat doesnt exist

and the bridge is a bit close to the city as opposed to the real one

[sharp arch]

cant wait to explore there

[bitter beacon]

sorry for bad quality

brandenburg might be the second biggest town

[dry peak]

not too far off id say

[sharp arch]

moremen rd

thats why zombies hang out on road

[bitter beacon]

yea maybe its because of the point of view

[dry peak]

that bridge they showed in-game is interesting, i wonder if it’s gonna be destroyed or blocked off

[bitter beacon]

do you ever think they re going to add something over the river

i mean in the lore it spread everywhere

[dry peak]

i would fucking love to go visit my home state in zomboid but i doubt they’re gonna add indiana

[bitter beacon]

when i first found this game i tought you were actually in a contained zone 🤣

and that you could go to the louisville bridge and find soldiers

[dry peak]

then again, how do you know you’re not? what if all the radio people are lying

some truman show type thing

food for thought

[bitter beacon]

yoo thats actually a

[dry peak]

i hope that will be the case soon

[bitter beacon]

idk how to say

but the tutorial actually has you contained and you can hear from spiffo all sorts of "we" things and that building in the left and also the body storage

[dry peak]

i can’t wait until someone makes a proper “before the infection” mod with all the npcs and you get to live out the first few days of the sickness and you get to see the chaos with crazy npc populations and stuff

[bitter beacon]

maybe it was the goverment all along

[dry peak]

exactly, and if you do stuff in the wrong order he’ll say “don’t break the cycle” and stuff like that

[bitter beacon]

thats actually a really good conspiracy ideea

great now i wont sleep all night

[dry peak]

i mean really, how did they get those proper military fences set up all around the entire damn countryside so fast?

even in the forests?

[bitter beacon]

well fort knox is really close

so thats out of the case

[dry peak]

that is true but that doesn’t explain the sheer amount of man power that would take to build fences like that that quickly around the entire map

i actually play with that one map mod that came out recently that adds the louisville border wall and even in singleplayer it’s really cool

[sharp arch]

maybe they knew before it got on the news

[bitter beacon]

they definetely knew

[dry peak]

oh 100% they knew yeah

[bitter beacon]

i mean the military base and all

[sharp arch]

spiffo sekrit sauce notes

[bitter beacon]

plus with the basements upcoming i really think there will be something underneath the base

something big

[sharp arch]

thats first place im going

whats in down there!!!!

[dry peak]

my favorite contributor to the “only the playable area is truly infected and the news is lying to you and you’re basically in the truman show” theory is that if you leave the playable area and walk, even tho it’s obviously just unfinished playable space there are no zombies or anything

[bitter beacon]

i dont think spiffo meat is the cause. i mean its really funny to think about it but the game is gritty in nature so i dont think it is

[dry peak]

no people or cars either, but still interesting choice in design nonetheless

[bitter beacon]

yea and also the burned cars on the road

its like they dont want you to try and leave

[dry peak]

to be fair people talk about vaccines causing all sorts of stuff irl so it’s not even far-fetched

[dry peak]

they don’t want you to know

[bitter beacon]

there was also the raileigh infection in the lore dont know if you know about that

happened 3 years before the knox event

[dry peak]

that’s always how it is in games tho. having out of bounds areas with actual stuff (like rdr2) are fascinating to me because you get to make all these special theories

yeah i did hear about that

[bitter beacon]

anyway its getting late where i live

i think im calling quits

[sharp arch]

lol thought you meant the droid from starwars i was like WHAT LOER

[bitter beacon]

have a great day and good night!

[dry peak]

sounds good brother

[royal path]

Hey, guys. Have the devs ever mention if domesticated animals will be turned into zombie animals if infected?

[lost orchid]

they won’t turn

[royal path]

Thanks, was wondering about that

[dry peak]

if i remember correctly the zombies don’t even care about the animals, they won’t even look at them but they will respond to sounds they make and move towards them if they’re loud

so there’s no way for them to be infected in the first place

[royal path]

Oh, so the animals won't even be attacked

I wonder if it will be possible to use animals as decoys then. Like walking sound generators

[wind ore]

aparently zombies wont even eat the animal corpses I guess they cannot use them as distractions

[serene wing]

Yea they won't attack them nor interact with them which tbh is probably for the best

You'd have hordes of zombies chasing animals EVERYWHERE

[royal path]

True

[wind ore]

imagine using RC cars as distractions against zombies

[serene wing]

Soon

I'm so so so excited to see what new stuff modders can do, the things they cook up now are already quite impressive

[wind ore]

not many distraction items like flares , fireworks , firecrackers , sparklers ect

[serene wing]

Seems like caves are gonna be a thing?!

[wind ore]

mining for ore 😮

[serene wing]

I like using boomboxes as distractions lol

[sharp arch]

the noise will attract zombies

imagine getting bit cause sgt. cluckers

[serene wing]

I wish zombies didn't only spawn once you interact with a building tho, makes clearing an area with that method really pointless

[wind ore]

looking for some barns or other farm areas to look for some livestock to take home to your base.

[serene wing]

Gonna see so many farmstead type location mods I'm thinking

[wind ore]

some people do keep chickens in the city and have them on their own yard

[royal path]

Half of the map is farmstead locations already

[royal path]

Nuggets

[wind ore]

chicken rotisserie only if indiestone allows for whole chicke bodies as food

[sharp arch]

can we feed chicken eggs

[royal path]

That's a war crime

[wind ore]

proper chicken egg colors for PZ since RIR chicken breeds lay brown eggs

[royal path]

But I believe baby birds can eat cooked egg yolks

[wind ore]

feeding chickens insects or some grain

[neat path]

NPC spawnrate: 100000%
🤤

[sharp arch]

pecker machine 5000s

[royal path]

Rimworld core

[neat path]

More on topic:
Dying Light 1 had pretty extensive out of bounds areas, too bad they literally shifted shapes between locations

[candid stag]

They should make an entire game out of out-of-bounds areas

[dry peak]

agreed. why haven’t we thought of this yet

[candid stag]

And you can see the real game happening in the distance but you're stuck behind an invisible wall

[lost orchid]

very immersive

[dry peak]

see now THAT would actually be a really cool experience

[lost orchid]

it’s called homeless simulator

[dry peak]

truly the “you’re not that guy” experience

[lost orchid]

lowkey already a thing in mc

captive minecraft

[dry peak]

i’m not familiar what’s that?

[lost orchid]

ur stuck in a 1 by 1 and every achievement you get pushes the border out by a block on each side

first achievement open your inventory

very popular back then

[candid stag]

I remember being able to hit a wall in Driver on PS1 at the right angle and you end up being able to drive on the sea and see all sorts of weird stuff/glitches. Also going through the ceiling in the Ganton gym in San Andreas and finding hidden interiors. RT if you remember

[lost orchid]

just play literally any n64 game 😂

[dry peak]

i like that fairly new new vegas ARG where the guy gets out of bounds and finds indev areas that are super creepy

[serene wing]

Apparently it's very similar to the themes of Mad God

Which is not an opinion I came to on my own lol

Also u guys think we'll be able to interact with NPC stories through dialogue? Like I can see basic stuff like "we need help our friend is dying" sort of stuff, but if I come across a survivor (eventually) i wonder if I'd be able to ask them about their past and stuff

I'm not sure if the devs have spoken about this before so feel free to let me know if I'm re-treading old ground lol

[candid stag]

All I know if that generating lots of believable dialogue is very difficult. Having said that, characters will definitely have pasts/backgrounds and stuff, no matter who they are. I just have no idea how that information will be conveyed in-game.

[lost orchid]

imagine a shelter system 😪

giving them shelter

they prob just need a bed tbh

[royal path]

They will have to earn their bed. Trees won't chop themselves down

[lost orchid]

i’d only want a shelter needs system after a building overhaul

[royal path]

Is building overhaul in plans?

[lost orchid]

no clue

[royal path]

I hope we will have a Kenshi like shelter, where we can assign jobs for NPCs

[serene wing]

They've talked about super complex relations between characters to generate interesting zombies and houses etc

I was thinking maybe they could do a simplified way of having characters explain their backstory upon request in dialogue, where different values are filled by whatever these lore events are

Could look like

What's your story?

I'm a [Profession] I used to live in [Town name]. [NPC name ] is my brother

Something like that would be really cool

[serene wing]

It sounds really simple but, I feel like indie stone would be able to turn something simple like that into something a little more advanced to suit their needs, if they decide that's the sort of interactions they want to include

[wind ore]

using animal pelts to help make a bed.

[pearl vessel]

Looting during the day when the power shuts off will be much harder and scarier now.

Nice QOL the devs added honestly.

[pearl vessel]

I really like the new lighting system cringe ik

[lost orchid]

i just hope it doesn’t make it so bright

[wind ore]

having flashlights is going to be more useful instead of just using them at night.

[pearl vessel]

Hope they make batteries last longer too, though there’s a sandbox option for it i’m pretty sure, so even if they don’t it’s an effortless fix.

[wind ore]

different quality and brand batteries for flashlights and other electronics that require them

packs of batteries for example to find them in bulk instead of just one or 2 of them

[livid gull]

Yea

I noticed that too

[empty forum]

https://tenor.com/view/ahhhh-gif-19865348

[lost orchid]

any plans on ever expanding on the last stand accumulator challenge?

[rain zealot]

yeah i hope we can get some new maps on it

like skyscraper (with new height expansion), mall or military base

or maybe island with swimming zombies

[dapper umbra]

Imagine a challenge where we have to travel up a zombie-infested, 100-storey building

[rain zealot]

maybe

or protect it from huge waves with zombies and have unique weapons/tools to protect it

like fire hose (like in movies spraying them off stairs) or minigun

[rain zealot]

that would be cool if roof top has helicopter that gets you out

rogue-like building maybe?

if u die u go back to floor 1 with no special weapons

u get loot from every floor

or money to buy new weapons/loots per each floor

idk if its too weird but last few floors would have some boss zombies, like with military armor or steroid pumped so they would be strong af

because fighting more basic zombies per floor doesnt sound fun to me lol

[neat path]

Would be cool

Even better if that's a building in a regular world so that you can set up a base there

But first that requires more Z levels than both the current 7/8 and upcoming 32

[dusk verge]

Don't forget that we can finally light candles now.

Wait, maybe this is wrong.

[eternal topaz]

I just though

How are animals going to interact with zombies? If they even will. Can they get bit or will they run away?

[sharp narwhal]

It's been said they will not be attacked by zeds

But they can attract them with their noise

[dapper umbra]

The main map will have a max/min of 32/-31. But the cells can be configured to allow up to 100 floors in a custom map, so what's to say that they can't set it to 100 in a challenge map?

[dapper umbra]

I wasn't saying that. I wasn't saying ANYTHING like that!

[dapper umbra]

No special zombies

[rain zealot]

yeah ik it was my own idea

i was thinking more ideas to expand your thing

[dapper umbra]

I was just thinking that the building would be too tall and maze-like to finish in a day, so you'd have to camp every few floors or so.

[rain zealot]

yeah your idea sounds good too

[wind ore]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/0/4509876644761645596/ lol this thread

[hearty sleet]

Did the devs say eventually all old tech will eventually decay? Will that mean you gotta use lanterns and torches when all batteries stop working?

[dapper umbra]

Boo onto them, I say. Boo!

[neat path]

First time I hear it'll be configurable

Also "100" sounds like too made up of a number

It's either going to be 128 or another power of 2

[dapper umbra]

Hmm i could be wrong or misremembering something. Mentions of it were like over 2 years ago

[neat path]

Dunno

Either way devs should 100% further increase the build limit above the ground to at least 64 levels

I want my juicy 58 floor skyscraper in the game 🤤 (still need to make its interior tho)

[bleak talon]

Lmao was just catching up and I have to say I'm surprised how many people care that dismantling does or does not give exp

[sharp arch]

lol

yea , its like they think they dont have another system or alternative for it or something , either way we wont know until we get in there and see how it pans out

[bleak talon]

Yeah I mean just mod it back in? But also, ok now dismantling you're only doing for a particular crafting material, and building is more xp. Isn't that more realistic anyways?