D'ya Like Them GrappleZ

[tepid fractal]

like 5 days in vines are starting to grow

[wise cosmos]

Well, if it happened realistically, it'd take in-game years to see actual erosion.

[icy adder]

The trees would have to grow for 10 years to get those sweet 2 logs

[timber trellis]

This is what I want

I understand from a game perspective why it is the way it is, but I'd really prefer a sandbox option for erosion to be realistically slow

[tepid fractal]

well this whole build is abt long term

it took abt 3-4 years in twd for erosion to rly show

and before that it was minor stuff like roads getting piled on with leaves or something

[haughty fiber]

It's been 8 years for me

[velvet pewter]

even compared to every other aspect of erosion I feel like saplings are faster, it feels like just a couple weeks of survival and theres saplings all over some of the sparse dirt roads

also, random thought, do the plant aspects of erosion respect the seasons?

i.e. less plants popping up in winter

[tepid fractal]

i dont think so

hopefully some etosion changes come with b42

[velvet pewter]

agreed, I had assumed they would be given the alteration of plants to have proper growth times and seasonal growth changes

[hallow orchid]

Understandable.

Do the devs like to make blog posts and go through some of the intricate technologies like the GrappleTech, what obstacles they had to overcome, and all the gotchas?

[odd totem]

No, that takes a lot of time better spent on the game, that's why the blogs went monthly

[fast vigil]

It takes time away from making grappletech and other complicated code, and it's something you can't just pass off to just anyone in that regard or you end up with a poorly explained bit that possibly turns into outright misinformation

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[marble vortex]

WE ARE CLOSEEEEE

[verbal sorrel]

phennel jr but roadmap version

[deep marsh]

😔

It's the same image as it was 2 days ago, as it was 2 weeks ago.

[verbal sorrel]

"heres your daily reminder"

[deep marsh]

Here's your daily reminder that 999 is divisible by 37.

[gusty cradle]

He didn't lie

[pale veldt]

wow

[gusty cradle]

Thx ChatGPT

[peak wraith]

!hana

[tardy badger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1079967390957305857/1079972553738686544/unknown-385.png

[deep marsh]

Still doesn't feel right, even knowing it's mathematically sound.

[willow geode]

5040 is divisable by 60 different numbers

[verbal sorrel]

So its 5

[velvet kettle]

square root of 123456789 = approximately 11111.1111

[verbal sorrel]

therenfourth july

[velvet kettle]

huh?

https://tenor.com/view/wtff-cat-confused-orange-gif-25858653

[random lark]

hell yeah sawblade weapons

[peak wraith]

lots of amazing things to come to build 42

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[willow geode]

111111*111111=
12345654321

[orchid pond]

[velvet kettle]

lol the exact value is 11111.1110606 so that squared = 123456789.001

[nova palm]

Very relevant, it changed my life

[velvet kettle]

be sure to spread the word

[verbal sorrel]

thought cat on keyboard was these bunch of numbers

[gusty cradle]

Oh damn

[verbal sorrel]

rofl

[wise cosmos]

11111.1111 x 11111.1111 = 1234567890

[winter crag]

Duel me so my snot lore may enter holy canon

[orchid pond]

You better win Pat 😂

[woeful hearth]

Balance is almost complete, it's just ting that remains to implement

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[sacred widget]

B42 PT when?

[hollow wadi]

build 42 came out 40 years ago everyone is in a coma

[wise cosmos]

I HATE HAVING TO WAIT 2-3 WEEKS FOR THE NEXT THURSDOID 😭😭😭

[woeful hearth]

Rotate it by 90 degrees so the gravity can do it's part

[tepid fractal]

theres a 1/236 chance of it coming out today

0.42%

have hope children

[peak wraith]

I am thinking the 23rd or 30th of May is when we see this blog post.

[gusty cradle]

No shit Sherlock

[peak wraith]

why you lying?

[tepid fractal]

30th

[gusty cradle]

What ?

[wise cosmos]

More like 1/54 (today, the remaining days of this month, all of the days next month, and July 9th)

1.85%

[hallow orchid]

Wait, did I see the purple leaning more towards the right, overtaking a tiny portion of the orange on the roadmap???

[peak wraith]

2024 is going to be a good year for PZ

[sick kindle]

surely

[weak crest]

Another build another popularity spike

[nova palm]

It is not.

[verbal sorrel]

sthap lol!!!

[tepid fractal]

well 236 days left in the year

[tepid fractal]

higher or lower?

[icy adder]

its actually higher, I have proof.

[verbal sorrel]

omg lol

[peak wraith]

only 12 thursdoids in the year due to them being monthly interesting facts lol

[fluid kindle]

I NEEEEEED IT

[hallow orchid]

At least we can state and say the probability is not a 0% flat out.

But anything else is just speculation that we should not pry more into.

[odd totem]

It's always 0% except on the day it's released

[hallow orchid]

Will there be a probability that Project Zomboid will introduce April Fool's cosmetic changes for 1 day on a specific date in the future?

[willow geode]

No

Or will there

😏

[icy adder]

Not necessarily true, it's approx 22 days and 5ish hours for b42 (public beta) release, making it ~0,05% chance of coming out today, fingers crossed!
the proof:
https://zomboid.dev/b42

[verbal sorrel]

wth

[icy adder]

I hope it accomodates for the timezone accurately lol

[hallow orchid]

Huh? Is this official?

[verbal sorrel]

look what you did

[verbal sorrel]

no lol they said 2024 lol

[icy adder]

1st half of 2024

[hallow orchid]

No no no no, stop teasing me. I'm just going to "wait and see".

[verbal sorrel]

no twitter said 2024

[frosty moon]

reddit comment from dev said first half of 2024

[icy adder]

lemmy said 1st half https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/18nlvxc/comment/kecgwst/

[verbal sorrel]

is that in vanilla?! we get decorations?!

[hallow orchid]

Yeah, but we also have official refutation about it.

[verbal sorrel]

yah you need to give cushion room incase something unforseen comes up gosh

[frosty moon]

from where?

[hallow orchid]

It's on the Steam discussions

From nasKo

[icy adder]

This i didn't see actually

[hallow orchid]

I gotta go search for it, because it's a post reply to one of the locked threads

It's not easy to browse the Steam discussions. 😭

[icy adder]

true, by any means I respect the devs and the time they need to polish everything. I'm a dev myself and getting rushed is frustrating, same as giving assumptions for "release" dates which is just a random number generator if its a long time ahead lol, let the dev's cook because its worth the wait.

[verbal sorrel]

yah

[hallow orchid]

Ok, I didn't know Steam prunes the threads older than 1 month.

[verbal sorrel]

huh'

[hallow orchid]

Maybe nasKo's posts got removed somewhere. 😦 But I do recall nasKo refuting that "first half of 2024"

It is going to be released when it is ready

[willow geode]

We said This year after Lemmy said that. Why take an older estimate when a more current one is already out.

[icy adder]

Ohh, understood

[frosty moon]

Makes sense

[supple trail]

my feeling are mixted between " well you played this game since the first alpha on desura, so you can wait few months" and " ahhh it's so long !!" ^^

[verbal sorrel]

what fun stuff we will find that isnt in the blogs

can chicken wears hats

[hallow orchid]

None, to be honest. The blogs are what we will find.

[verbal sorrel]

yah right lol

[hallow orchid]

Although, it would be nice to see another collab with Tarn Adams (Dwarf Fortress).

[frigid ore]

If John Zomboid said it, it must be true!!!!11

[frosty moon]

"Mr Zomboid, come here."

[woeful hearth]

That's not how chance works though

[woeful hearth]

It's 50/50 every day
Either it will be released or it won't

[frigid ore]

That's not how it works

[woeful hearth]

I know lol

[wise cosmos]

Oh.

[verbal sorrel]

lol

[wise cosmos]

But, as excited as I am, take your time guys. As a software developer myself, I understand the feeling of people getting impatient and wanting incomplete things now.

[peak wraith]

next month is June which means if we dont see build 42 by that that month or maybe end up in the 2nd half. Lol

[hallow orchid]

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy already revealed to us the answer.

[icy adder]

https://zomboid.dev/b42 should be accurate to the offical date

[peak wraith]

Lol

[compact pawn]

What if instead of projectzomboid it was project micheal

[hallow orchid]

I dunno about that one... it's still a bit iffy.

[verbal sorrel]

?

[compact pawn]

How abt project Sarah

[hallow orchid]

I have never heard of Sarah.

[peak wraith]

project zomboid christmas edition

cant wait to buy some items from a vending machine in PZ

[fluid kindle]

We call it project Sarah when I’m at your mom’s house 😎

[peak wraith]

if there was no zombies in project zomboid this game would just be called "Project"

[verbal sorrel]

hell yeah i cant wait to put stuff in them , like chonies

and friendship bracelets!!!

[peak wraith]

just need the ATM machines to hack or break into for money

[tepid fractal]

where u see this

[verbal sorrel]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/content/uploads/2023/12/20231221022856_1.jpg

[peak wraith]

if banks were more realistic with some cash drawers and even a vault

[tepid fractal]

oh yeah zleigh ride

[tepid fractal]

they have safes u just cant interact with them

theres unfinished tiles in the game

like rn theres a green farm gate u can just drive through

[peak wraith]

glad eating turkeys in build 42 will make thanksgiving a fun experience

[supple trail]

xD

[verbal sorrel]

ok but can we put these obn cows

[icy adder]

If it wont be included in b42 there will be a mod for it

[gusty cradle]

Uh probably not unless they add ways to put clothing on animals

[peak wraith]

pet cats in PZ would be nice to have

pet calico cats

[orchid pond]

This is the dream! One day I will have a cat colony

They will hunt mice for me

[peak wraith]

cute meow meows in PZ would be nice to have.

just need some snakes in PZ to help hunt mice.

[graceful cosmos]

Cat mod incoming

[peak wraith]

having snakes in game and watching out for venomous species.

[sudden prairie]

It would certainly be extremely helpful for that thing that hilarious meme reviews always demand too, but that aint gonna happen 😉

What are they referring to?

Uh
OH

[verbal sorrel]

[peak wraith]

?

[hallow orchid]

If we have snakes, then we need antivenom. It's not possible to create antivenom without cows / horse / animals, because you need blood samples to create antivenom in the first place before it can be administered to the player.

[peak wraith]

having to catch venomous snakes and milk them for venom.

rabbit blood is commonly used for antivenom.

[hallow orchid]

hmmm, didn't know about rabbit blood.

[peak wraith]

good thing snakes are edible IRL you can even eat a venomous snake.

[gusty cradle]

You know antivenom is the most annoying thing to keep around and cost a fucking liver to even get ?

[peak wraith]

Kentucky is home to 4 different venomous snakes pygmy rattlesnake, Timber rattlesnake and copperhead and Northern cottonmouth.

[gusty cradle]

Sry mate but antivenom isn't available in the apocalypse lmao, also it wasn't a thing before and yet humans are still here

[hallow orchid]

In an apocalypse, money is nil

It does probably cost a human or two

[peak wraith]

1895 was when antivenom was invented.

[gusty cradle]

You know things cost a lot for a reason ?

[gusty cradle]

Exactly, that's very recent

[peak wraith]

dead island logic of needing money to repair weapons and upgrade them.

[gusty cradle]

[hallow orchid]

Yeah, they do. But in this game, how does money really work?

[peak wraith]

its like the work benches have a family to feed.

[gusty cradle]

?

[hallow orchid]

You can't even use the money to "trade" things with other players.

Because, in the game's context, money is "junk".

[peak wraith]

dead island logic of workbenches

so far money is only used for vending machines in build 42.

[hallow orchid]

Wait, do we have a blog post mentioning money can be used in vending machines?

[hard wolf]

i tihkn the money is the resources

[verbal sorrel]

https://youtu.be/opGQu8LCdEs

[frosty moon]

as for the blog post itself: https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/06/snack-attack/

[verbal sorrel]

can we put hay in there and make sheep pay for their food

[velvet kettle]

lol sheep give us their wool and in exchange they receive sustenance

[peak wraith]

charging money to loot weapons from store

[velvet kettle]

GigaMart barricades their doors and the windows become unbreakable until we add money into a cash register

[peak wraith]

if only plywood could be added for window barricades

newspaper on windows as alternative to sheets curtains. Lol

[velvet kettle]

we should magically get $10 every time we barricade a window and there should be mystery boxes scattered around Knox Country. And every time the mystery box rolls a Spiffo, we have to travel to another town or city to roll the mystery box again

[peak wraith]

finding military supply boxes from air drops. Lol

[hallow orchid]

Ahhh, so far back. I didn't see this, so I now have dinner! 😄

[hallow orchid]

We can also have duct tape over glass windows to reinforce the windows.

Florida has these

[peak wraith]

that would be dangerous and will break into larger pieces

[hallow orchid]

It prevents glass shards on the floor.

Since you said it will break into larger pieces

[gusty cradle]

That's actually better lmao

[peak wraith]

maybe some glass shard knives

[velvet kettle]

y'all barricade your windows? I just plop one of these signs and the zombies skedaddle

also, I hope we are able to place barbed wire on our fences in a future build like in the image above

[hard wolf]

watch out. itdoesnt work on children sombies

[velvet kettle]

and if fences will be breakable soon due to large hordes then I imagine gun store windows will no longer be invincible too

[velvet kettle]

[peak wraith]

gun store base in West Point will be useless

[gusty cradle]

Ooh 👀

That's an interesting thouht actually

[velvet kettle]

after that's implemented, all that's left to develop are zombies that climb sheet ropes

then we will never be safe

[verbal sorrel]

yay

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[marble vortex]

MY BROTHERS!!! WE ARE CLOSEEEE

[frigid ore]

IT MOVED

[wooden spoke]

Is it actually moving?

[frigid ore]

~~No ~~ Yes

[wooden spoke]

Oh

[timid trellis]

these kinds of shutters ought to be pretty strong, right?

those kinds generally have a lock on the floor

[velvet kettle]

fs https://youtu.be/iyK0pokPcFA?si=WpDH78GTDDvktRDF&t=143

a bit of showcase of how strong they are^

[hallow orchid]

children zombies
This will never happen.

[hard wolf]

modders

[hallow orchid]

Fair.

Speaking of the previous blog post about Louisville getting upgrades on the exterior (roof having more detailed ceilings, etc.), does that hint some building locations will be changed? As in, the usual place where the gun store is located in Louisville will now be relocated to a different area within Louisville?

[velvet kettle]

I would guess that locations changing would be unlikely, but who knows?

the only replacement that I recall so far is the Red Brick Restaurant to this beauty of a structure here

if anything, I feel that they'd more so remove or relocate some restaurants given we'll get more crops to grow and hunting now

[hallow orchid]

Probably turned that place into an underground parking garage.

It is unrealistic to have a large city and no parking spaces.

But then again, having a lot of parking spaces makes the city unrealistic as well.

[velvet kettle]

https://youtu.be/thfgbPM-oRw?si=_jA3UDGNtKl3T9TQ

maybe

that's meh tho. The real question is what are the chances of an orange raccoon spawning in our playthroughs?

[hallow orchid]

Probably a bit. Note that, it's better to quickly kill raccoons if you see one, because in an apocalypse, you don't want to risk yourself getting rabies and dying within 2 days, much like getting zombification.

[velvet kettle]

not if we wear a Spiffo suit. Raccoons will want to be our friends and live among us in our safehouses watching the Dog Goblin franchise or something

[toxic onyx]

nah, that's too realistic

[velvet pewter]

I wouldnt use breezewood PA as an example of something like that, its a truckstop on the Pennsylvania turnpike, they expect people to come in, get food and bathroom breaks, then leave

you dont need alot of parking space for that with quick turnaround

[timber trellis]

I don't think an apocalypse would increase the prevalence of rabies—unless the theory is that it would run rampant without animal control, but its fatality rate makes me think that's not the case—so personally it seems wiser to just avoid them. If they appear to be rabid that's a different story

Or just wear a spiffo suit like the other person said. Effective camouflage

[velvet kettle]

[timid trellis]

not that much parking

[timid trellis]

it wouldn't really increase or decrease prevalence, but it would certainly make it more scary

you would need to have the post-bite treatment on your person when it happens

[velvet kettle]

Knox and rabies co-infection --> two negatives = positive

[timid trellis]

i think rabies could actually be a really interesting ailment

it'd be like an alternate zombification

[peak wraith]

maybe different diseases you could contract from animals and various bacteria as well.

[velvet kettle]

perhaps carrying a latent form of Knox (whatever it may be) prevents other viruses from hijacking our cells for replication

[peak wraith]

having more types of disease and maybe some proper malnutrition like scurvery , beri beri, rickets ect

[velvet kettle]

cirrhosis and lung cancer after drinking and smoking too much in-game

[timid trellis]

maybe not cancer, but i do think zomboid needs more severe complications

as an added incentive to not only survive but maintain your health, having things like that would make long term survival a little more complicated

[verbal sorrel]

ringworm

[hallow orchid]

ooo, mad cow diseases would be nice

But I'm pretty sure, by default, Apocalypse settings will have animal diseases turned off.

Zombie animals <-------------- Well, hello there....

[timid trellis]

zombie animals sounds too goofy for what zomboid is going for

[marble vortex]

YES!!!! As i always telled!

[frigid ore]

Untreated wounds (like fractures) should give you permanent penalties to your movement

You can just splint a fracture and keep walking everyday and you'll eventually be able to run again in a couple of weeks

[velvet kettle]

valid. I agree and I do hope more severe health complications will be more of a focus in a future build, although there is already a sandbox setting known as "injury severity" whereby there is an increase and decrease in the impact injuries have on your body, and their healing time.

[frigid ore]

They are still not severe enough

[timid trellis]

yeah, injuries just straight up don't matter in 90% of situations

it is either your death or it's an annoyance

these days i dont disinfect my wounds nor do i change bandages

[frigid ore]

Some people even step on glass to level up first aid

[velvet kettle]

and about long term survival complexity in general (and deviating from diseases and illnesses to an extent), B42 looks like it will have its fair share of that. For instance, zombies will definitely be much more dangerous now that fences will not be indestructible anymore along with the possibility of them spawning with spiked armor on. With the addition of rats and roaches, we will probably have to be more wary of our food and crop supply if we are away for an extended period of time. Snails and slugs threaten our crop supply too and we'll probably have to juggle how much pesticide to utilize. There will likely be more ways to be poison players such as rat poison, animal poop, new foraging items, and whatever else they have in store for us. Going into basements or to the tallest floors in skyscrapers poses obvious risks. We could soon die to bulls lol

[frigid ore]

Imagine getting food posining if you don't wash your hands before eating

[verbal sorrel]

it will def make living at lv checkpoint fun

the chaos!

[hallow orchid]

Iron Guts will take care of that

Wild mushrooms, here I go.

[timid trellis]

I think there also needs to be more ways for the player to receive injuries outside of combat and clumsiness

for example, having a low level in a skill or not having read a book can cause minor injuries

[hallow orchid]

How about random chance you get injured just by walking through trees?

That's not a sign of clumsiness

[timid trellis]

Smashing your fingers with low carpentry, burning and slicing yourself with low cooking, electrocuting yourself with low electrical, etc

[timid trellis]

this is like the one exception

[hallow orchid]

😄

But yeah, if they add animals, I need them to add bug bites.

[velvet kettle]

lol neck scratch from attempting to walk around trees and failure to bandage it on time

[timid trellis]

yeah that shit's bogus tbh

slicing your jugular on a branch is insane

[hallow orchid]

Bug bites, cow/pig/goat/deer bites, chicken pecks and chicken scratches, horse kick, tick bites, mosquito bites (if near water source), spider bites, rat/mice bites, snake bites, raccoon bites, rabies, mad cow diseases, flesh-eating bacteria, and more.

[timid trellis]

bug bites is a neat idea

being in the wilderness and time of year could affect it, and bug spray can reduce or eliminate it

[hallow orchid]

Makes the wilderness more dangerous than a simple hunger/thirsty death.

[timid trellis]

ticks that need to be removed with tweezers

[velvet kettle]

0.1% of getting a papercut every time our characters handle a magazine, notebook, our map, etc..

[frigid ore]

Sunburns

[timid trellis]

honestly, yeah

[hallow orchid]

I had a more insane injury with trees. My groin deep wound through a small pine tree. 🫠

And I wasn't even running

[frigid ore]

Increases if your character is clumsy, all thumbs or thin skinned lol

[timid trellis]

have a new injury type; "Cut", that doesnt bleed out nearly as fast but causes discomfort

[frigid ore]

Happens way too much

[timid trellis]

and you wouldn't need a full bandage, an adhesive bandaid would be plenty

[hallow orchid]

Only if the devs decided to add sun lotions.

But that means, if they do, desert maps are now viable.

That Fallout map mod? It will be great to play with.

[velvet kettle]

1% to trip and fall on stairs and increases when jogging and sprinting. I'm sure we've all taken or miscalculated a step or two on stairs at one point

[hallow orchid]

And 0.1% to roll down a flight of stairs, or two if unlucky.

But 10% chance a zombie will roll down a flight of stairs if pushed back by the player.

GrappleTech will be amazing

[frigid ore]

Using stairs should tire our characters way more than regular walking

[hallow orchid]

Yeah, and we need another way to train our fitness / strength levels.

Someone going up from basement level 32 to the skyscraper level 32 like should at least net you +1.5 levels in strength and fitness.

[velvet kettle]

0.1% to find and bite on a fish bone even tho you thought you properly filleted the fish

[hallow orchid]

Ugh... choking hazard is not an injury I want to have in this game.

[velvet kettle]

is there already an increased risk of tripping and falling when jogging or running in low lit areas?

[verbal sorrel]

lol shoelaces come untied

[velvet kettle]

imagine your friends on your MP server tie the shoelaces of your two shoes together into one knot without you noticing then you sustain a neck injury when you fall

https://tenor.com/view/trip-popcorn-fall-ouch-gif-4947391

"it's just a prank"

[frigid ore]

You think there's going to be a new trailer for PZ when B42 drops? Current one will be kinda dated. It doesn't even show Louisville.
https://youtu.be/nPbsDmzZ3Oc?si=V4wh91-vA00ZdxVp

[hollow wadi]

I hope so, just so I can convince people to buy pz and then they ragequit 2 minutes into apocalypse mode

[velvet kettle]

I forgot how awesome that trailer was

or is I mean. I also hope there's a new trailer soon too

[hallow orchid]

A nice teaser would suffice.

[orchid pond]

Maybe someone from the community will do the voiceover for the next one

I would love that

[velvet kettle]

if not, then Pat fs

[winter crag]

Having a snake spit on me until I become immune and/or become a snake myself

[odd totem]

No it's 0

[woeful hearth]

Hindsight is 2020 after all

[toxic onyx]

I wonder how would full wilderness survival work since we can't have bows. Then how players would hunt for meat and animal skins with just a stone or a stick

Are we chasing deers with a spear?

[hard wolf]

we will tire the deer out

just like the ancient human

[toxic onyx]

Hell yeah. Chasing a deer across the map for five days so my character can make himself a pants

[tepid fractal]

0 out of ahat

0/-1

[velvet pewter]

bow crafting recipes got showed off during one of the devblogs, Id highly doubt b42 would come without them at this point

unless you mean before you can craft a bow

[weak crest]

Crafting overhaul and essentially a weapon overhaul... I think it's safe to say they are

[hallow orchid]

Oh my goodness, I would love to tire any NPCs out like that.

Deer get so tired, all they can do is sit down and submit to fate

[verbal sorrel]

Lol

[peak wraith]

bowling pins can be weapons?

[wise cosmos]

Talk about improvised weapons!

[wise cosmos]

If we can drive nails through them like that, I guess so!

[peak wraith]

just need glass shard improvised weapon

[gusty cradle]

lmao that looks so goofy

[graceful cosmos]

idk what you're talking about, this is my go-to weapon

[hard wolf]

so unwieldy

its gonna slip out our hands after each swing

pin balls are not that durable

[velvet kettle]

maybe the tweet is not what it seems and they’re in fact alluding to this instead

[verbal sorrel]

right lol , only the fun weapons!!

[wise cosmos]

Good thing this is a bowling pin and not a pinball!

[wise cosmos]

That's possibly already implemented for the next build. I would imagine breaking a window can occasionally spawn a glass blade. It can be wielded as-is, but will cause damage to you as you use it. Otherwise, you can craft with a ripped cloth to make a glass shiv.

On second thought, probably just the shiv part.

[peak wraith]

if we can pick bones out of chicken meat to make a makeshift weapon.

[tepid fractal]

how come u say everything like its a question

[peak wraith]

what do you mean?

crafting in build 42 will make weapons become the best and late game survival better and livestock making living in rural areas feels more exciting and even hunting wildlife.

[frigid ore]

Dead Rising kinda thing

[peak wraith]

just need ability to use chairs as weapons

unlike dead rising combo weapon logic like making a lightsaber from a flashlight and gems.

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[fluid kindle]

Nah this is cringe, use bones for stock bro

good source of collagen

[gusty cradle]

Not sure chicken bones are the best at making weapons lmao

Bird bones overall are not very solid compared to land animals

[frigid ore]

I want to wear cow skulls as helmets

[orchid pond]

Chicken Bone shank is totally a thing. Would it last long? Probably not 😆

[tepid fractal]

can we build a house out of bones

🥺

[hallow orchid]

Bones decay though

Acid rain also melts bones

1993 rains are acidic due to environment smog

[verbal sorrel]

i dont remember acid rain

[hallow orchid]

I heard about this stuff in school in the late 1990s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_Rain_Program

So in my mind, there were times when we had acid rain days.

[verbal sorrel]

i remember being told about how it was formed but that was it lol

[hallow orchid]

I guess I got mixed up. https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2007/September/07_enrd_737.html

Kentucky did get the highest fines imposed for acid rain

But this is 2007, not 1993

nor 1995

[peak wraith]

Niko its Roman , lets go bowling.

[hallow orchid]

I bet the condition of the weapon isn't as good as a baseball bat.

[verbal sorrel]

how about plunger bra

[hallow orchid]

What's that?

[verbal sorrel]

theyre so heavy , my dad had one for a trophy from a bowling league lol

[hallow orchid]

It would be nice, if the player holds down the letter Q, change to a "Humor" option in the wheel menu, and then randomly, the player character will choose one of many dad jokes in the game to speak to the player.

It will act like the Mega Man Battle Network 3 "Humor" program on the Net Navi.

[timid trellis]

i don't know for sure but i would expect that they're probably a little harder to break

they're solid wood, and they're shorter and thicker

probably cant swing them as good as a baseball bat but it'd probably last a good while

[verbal sorrel]

i cant wait to hit my friend on the head with one

[proud tartan]

wym? bows are coming

[orchid pond]

On one of the earlier B42 devblogs we saw a proposed tech tree, one of the things on it was a whole big section for bowery stuff

Probably what they are referring to

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/08/slapdashdoid/

Image showed arrowheads

But that was a very early version of the tech tree, early 2022. It may have changed, it may have been pushed back, who knows - in The Indie Stone we trust

This is the actual bowery one - and they have a whole section of that devblogs talking about it

[frigid ore]

Crossbow confirmed

[crystal gyro]

Can't wait for NPCs to come out and someone mod the game so that we can play it as just a life sim with no zombie virus and just have a job and relationships. (Or turn it into postal as your character snaps and starts murdering people.)

[toxic onyx]

Pretty sure that devs sayed that they have some problems with how bows work so they can't implement it right now

[orchid pond]

I don't recall that but it's entirely possible.

[proud tartan]

I'd believe it, but I haven't heard anything like that far as I'm aware, yeah

[gusty cradle]

Replace zombies but human, take your pills or kill

[winter crag]

It is the year 40,000. The NPC update is out, and you have frozen yourself until this exact moment. You boot up your beloved game, Project Zomboid.

You load in, kill a few zombies, and meet your first survivor. They immediately insult your hairline, causing you to burst into tears. You uninstall the game to the sound of the AI known as Pat_Bren2 laughing at you.

We assumed the NPCs would be armed with clubs, swords, or guns. But their words were the most hurtful.

[gusty cradle]

[random lark]

imagine if the npc could betray you

[nova palm]

No spoilers!

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[winter crag]

Deaf players stay winning fr

[gusty cradle]

Oooh that'd be interesting

Have a deaf character with NPC

Making communication with them extremely hard

[winter crag]

The perfect hunter. They cannot listen to yhe pleas of mercy or surrender. The only sound they hear is the skibidi toilet compilation in the background as they unceremoniously end the hard work of the people who made the NPCs.

Devs*, not people.

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[winter crag]

Speaking of which, what's the developer's plans for extending their natural lifespans? I kinda assumed each developer would have their own way of casting aside the cloak of time, going through the years slowly becoming more dehumanized with each "when is build x gonna come out" comment until they reach some kind of apotheosis.

Will the Devs look upon their work and be satisfied, content to shepard it throughout the years? Or will they charge themselves with a Sisyphusian task of making the game more and more realistic, until the heat death of the universe prevents the latest build that fully maps out each particle of oxygen within the game world?

[orchid pond]

They are constructing children and teaching them to learn to program so that their offspring can continue the Project... Zomboid.

[verbal sorrel]

Sisyphus was condemned to an eternity of ceaseless toil, yet he continued to push the boulder up the hill, in spite of it rolling back down each time.

yes

[winter crag]

I'm still firmly in the belief that the devs are already finished with Build 42, but that they are going to release it on October 30th. "So," you may ask, "What are they working on now?" I think that they have already reached that apotheosis. They have realised that their dream of making a realistic zombie survival game is limited through Java, and have begun work on another game. One with an incredible amount of user interactivity. On October 31st, they will release Project Zomboid 2, a necro virus that makes zombies real.

Think about it, they already patched real life to make eating books something you can do, just like the memes.

[verbal sorrel]

i dont think theyre finished

[winter crag]

That's what they want you to think

[frosty moon]

you might be onto something

[orchid pond]

Bottlenecked by crafting items but everything else is mostly done?

[verbal sorrel]

[winter crag]

Nah, but to break kayfabe it would be dope as fuck if they released on the 31st of October.

[verbal sorrel]

but july!!

[winter crag]

I'm waiting on the stable release tbf

[verbal sorrel]

oh lol

[orchid pond]

Thing about PZ unstable builds are

They are pretty dang stable most of the time

[peak wraith]

Seeing that open beta for build 42 is going to be excellent

[orchid pond]

I think the first few builds of B41 had some kinks (ran very slowly for me, animations states weren't finished) but no crashes or anything

[peak wraith]

I remember the day build 41 came out and learning the new combat system getting mauled multiple times until learning different techniques to survive longer.

[orchid pond]

oh man the removal of being able to instantly turn around got me killed SO MANY TIMES

took forever to break that habbit

[peak wraith]

taking on hoards also became a challenge and took a while to get better at it.

relying on sneaking has helped me get better at playing PZ.

[timber trellis]

Build 39: 🤨

[orchid pond]

True it was buggy but I don't recall thaaaat much instability

[timber trellis]

Fair. I've just never gotten over my car vanishing into the night

[orchid pond]

😆 understandable

[frigid ore]

Just enable debug and spawn a new one

[timber trellis]

Yeah lemme go back to 2017 and do that

[verbal sorrel]

lol

[timid trellis]

i will never forget the time where travelling to a new town was a massive trek

[nova palm]

I remember bringing a tent with me to go to the warehouse southwest of Muldraugh, only to break my leg there and take a month going back home following the train rails

[timid trellis]

oh man i never used tents

it was either a one day walk or a minifort

there was one time where I waited for time to pass in real mp time for it to become day

[nova palm]

Going out of town was always a long trip back then

[crystal gyro]

Does having a pillow with you remove the neck pain if you sleep in a car?

[orchid pond]

Not currently, that is coming in B42

For tents and actual beds as well

So you can buff the comfort they give

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/03/eine-kleine-nachtmoozik/

In the section "Under The Stars"

[crystal gyro]

Ah, appreciate it! Damn, now that's just one more reason to wait for b42!

[orchid pond]

No problem! Yea add it to the list 😂

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[random lark]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[tardy badger]

Use the /rank command to check your rank.
For the top 100, you can use /leaderboard or go here:
https://lurkr.gg/levels/projectzomboid

[odd totem]

"Look on our works, ye mighty, and despair" - all of us each time we post a blog

[wise cosmos]

Ah, so I have a ways to go before I can get to Specialist.

[haughty fiber]

[winter crag]

For you

[toxic onyx]

First half of the year approaching, seems like b42 will not get delivered by then, hmm, disappointing but expected

[verbal sorrel]

[tropic radish]

id rather wait then have it released in an unfinished state

[cunning anchor]

I think itd be neat when they add the glass shiv if there was a chance of you cutting your hand when you used it

[frigid ore]

They've been saying that the first half estimate was wrong for a while now

[winter crag]

I want it released in such an unfinished state that launching it burns out my motherboard

touchgrass.exe

[frigid ore]

At least release the new mapping tools and tiles so mappers can upgrade their maps faster

[toxic onyx]

Go sleep Puppers, you're tired

look at these eyes

restore your energy

wake me up when devblog simulator ends, it will be interesting to play the new game

[winter crag]

Eat 20 bottles of vitamins
You will certainly not regret eating 20 bottles of vitamins

[deep marsh]

Welcome back

[toxic onyx]

Who are you

can't remember, have we ever talked

[frigid ore]

Lmao I'll ping you once the unstable version is released, don't worry

[toxic onyx]

thank you

[velvet kettle]

[hard wolf]

who is pat bren 3

[odd totem]

pat bren

[frigid ore]

A cool dude

[peak wraith]

excellent person

[proud tartan]

have they said it's wrong?

[mellow panther]

I can feel B42 coming this month

[frigid ore]

Nasko did. Several times

[proud tartan]

dope

I can finally stop calling it an "unofficial estimate"

[hard wolf]

build 42 is not dropping

until december

[lofty mauve]

Did... did the roadmap move backwards? Or is it just the hype getting to me?

[proud tartan]

the latter

[lofty mauve]

Okay phew, thanks!

[proud tartan]

you goober, it's a road map, not a progress bar

[lofty mauve]

😂

[orchid pond]

loading...

[lofty mauve]

B42! The Crafting update!

➕ 🟰

[orchid pond]

Glory be thy penis ham?

[lofty mauve]

[timber trellis]

Not that I'm a nasKo historian or anything, but I only remember seeing the one time, very recently

As in this past week. Maybe I've just been out of the loop but before that it was just “2024” as the official timeframe which isn't itself incompatible w “first half” (i.e., it was still possible, but seen as less likely)

When nasKo sent the message saying the updated estimate is more appropriate, that did imply the other one is inaccurate

[velvet kettle]

We said This year after Lemmy said that. Why take an older estimate when a more current one is already out?

this, right?

[timber trellis]

Yeah, that's the message I was thinking of. Just a few days ago I believe

[frigid ore]

I remember that nasko has been telling people that the first half of 2024 won't happen for a long time. But yes, last week he said that

[velvet kettle]

source?

[timber trellis]

It was revealed to them in a dream that b42 will come out in December 2027

[timber trellis]

Also I searched & did see something from last month that did seem like saying it won't be the first half, so I did miss that one. But 2 months ago even he was saying the current plan (which is less misleading wording than the reddit comment—likely unintentionally—was) is first half, though, so it couldn't have been for that long lol

I am aware this isn't an important point at all but counterpoint to that: let me have my pedantry

[velvet kettle]

the night terrors our B41 characters have

[timber trellis]

They had one with a sheep

[velvet kettle]

and another about being bestowed the Rat King Crown

(from "Sky High" blog post)

[timber trellis]

I WILL command an army of rats

[velvet kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-remy-cooking-drop-spices-gif-25818556

rats teaching us B42 cooking recipes

[weak crest]

The colour blur has never moved from between the F and T in crafting

[copper tree]

Did you know you can customize the progress bar in your leveling card? Use /colour to learn more!

[graceful cosmos]

jeez louise

[copper tree]

Your accent colour is already set to role.

Want to get a free 20% leveling boost? Use /vote to vote for Lurkr and enjoy the boost for 24 hours!

[wise cosmos]

Here's what a real rat king looks like:

The ongoing theory on how these things form is that, when it's Winter, rats will huddle together in their nests to stay warm. But some rats might get their tails stuck together with skin oils. With their tails stuck, they just keep pulling on one another, preventing them from going anywhere. They ultimately die a slow, agonizing death via starvation.

Holy crap! There's a video of a real one from a few years ago and some of them were still alive!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNhTDWDvLa8

[wooden spoke]

they made a ratatouille

i would unironically eat rat

just skin it and it probably like any other meat

[winter crag]

You can now call it an "even more unofficial estimate"

[proud tartan]

or just "wrong" can't give em any hope

[winter crag]

Bah, hope is overrated. Sheer, grinding tenacity is where it's at. Aswell as a creative interpretation of the truth.

[spare seal]

you’ll be retired from your job before build 42 releases

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[marble vortex]

We are really close! My friends!

[hard wolf]

we still have 1 quarter

[winter crag]

We just need the orange to push the blue further back and then we will win!

[proud tartan]

neither of which most people have

[proud tartan]

roadmap =/= progress bar

[hard wolf]

we need to flip the image on its lefty to help gravitationally!

[winter crag]

Fr fr

[hallow orchid]

Nah, I'm still seeing the faint blur inching towards the right. /s

[random lark]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[glass viper]

It's practically done. I say release it now. Who's with me!?

[winter crag]

I think when the devs release NPCs in the unstable release, instead of having placeholder text or something, their sole interaction with the player should be pestering them about the next update. Like, shouting outside the players' windows and breaking in to whisper it next to your bed, that kind of thing.

[fluid kindle]

I need it so fucking bad

I NEED IT

[tepid fractal]

thursdoid this month

wow time flies

[toxic onyx]

I always thought that rat king it's a cannibalistic supersolder rat whom been trained by sailers to hunt down other rats

Tuesdoid educational

[random lark]

lol

[deep marsh]

Dude, we're all excited for it-- at least contribute to the conversation.

What are you most excited about in regards to the new update content?

[peak wraith]

!hana

[tardy badger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1079967390957305857/1079988336107728936/unknown-169_2.png

[verbal sorrel]

the race to get the rat king and peham van

[winter crag]

The community finally stopping from asking "when is build 42"

Only to immediately graduate to asking "when is build 43"

[peak wraith]

hunting for turkeys to have multiple thanksgivings

[velvet kettle]

all the new and revamped weapons to undead the unalive

[orchid pond]

My excitement is for when they release the unstable build and all the questions are "where animal?where craft?" But they are on the wrong branch. Over and over.

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[winter crag]

"Dude, they added NPCs in the latest build!"

[orchid pond]

🤣

[velvet kettle]

"Dude, they added maces, ominous basements, and bogged zombies in Build 1.42!"

[glass raptor]

What will happen if someone suggest to add humvee in vannila zomboid with copy style texture. I think that project zomboid needs military cars. I know that my opinion won t change anything. (My English isnt perfect, but i believe Indie Stone)

[thorny raptor]

(Writer/Cool Dude)

[weak crest]

I imagine NPCs will actually be pretty complex when they get around to making them, seeing as just the animals have a genetics and specialty system

[unique oar]

Awhile back they did say NPC will have their own individual stories, families, goals. So I would agree they will be super complex.

[weak crest]

Oh yeah that's right

Very much looking forward to those

I like to imagine you could run into settled survivors or whole communities that got themselves set up without you ever interfering

Having your base raided by a group would be scary,,,,

[unique oar]

I hope so. My theory is there will be some NPC storylines that wont start until you enter certain areas.

this would keep them all from playing through before you ever encounter them.

[weak crest]

Yeah that does sound interesting as well

[orchid pond]

That is the dream!! I really want to go from settlement to settlement as a trader

[wise cosmos]

2.5 more weeks

[wise cosmos]

NPC factions won't be in B43. That's for like B45.

[weak crest]

Yeah we know that 42 is just animals

just thinking about what the future could be

[wise cosmos]

Nah. B43 will include human NPC's too.

But they won't form factions until B45.

[frosty moon]

no it will not

that's b43

!roadmap (see blog post)

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[wise cosmos]

OH, I legit apologize! I got my builds mixed up 😅😅😅

Thank you.

[wise cosmos]

Sorry, I got my build numbers mixed up.

[weak crest]

Oh no problem really

[timid trellis]

I remember they said that each home will have a family of NPCs tied to it

something I'm really curious about is how many of these families will be spawned at the start of a world, and if they will spawn IN their homes

[gusty cradle]

Ngl they probably haven't even started any work on this kind of thing so I would be surprised if any of these info stay true

We'll probably not know for a while

[timid trellis]

Unless i'm misremembering the thursdoids that said it, I think they do actually have some kind of framework for it

[reef briar]

when yall think this is gonna drop

[velvet kettle]

this year

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[marble vortex]

Does anyone doubt it's moving? It's more than obvious that it's moving!

[orchid pond]

Suggests they have had a team working on B43 since they started moving people off B41 builds

[hallow orchid]

genetics and specialty system
Did I miss this in a blog post? If it's true, then I want to try to breed the fattest pig in my pig farm.

[weak crest]

Supposedly different kinds will have specialties, like say in cows "Angus" would provide better meat, and another would provide the better milk, or certain sheep would make for the best wool

[orchid pond]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/03/milky-milky/ section animal breeding

[hallow orchid]

Oh. Growth rates will be realistic, meaning it will need 2 full in-game years before a calf grows into adult cows.

It's fine, but woooo, this is going to start to become Harvest Moon + zombies.

[orchid pond]

Isn't it already? 😂

[hallow orchid]

Well, B42 isn't out, so the answer is no.

[orchid pond]

I mean my friends literally call this stardew with zombies (yes stardew has zombies already)

More so when B42 comes out though

[hallow orchid]

It's a bit different, in that you can speed up the growth process in Stardew / Harvest Moon.

But here in Project Zomboid, it's realistically long. No speed growth

[orchid pond]

Sandbox settings make it so you can grow things super quick (not that I would)

I do the opposite and stretch that grow time out

[hallow orchid]

True, but then the challenge maps would be different to play.

[hallow orchid]

I think the max would be 2 years.

Since that is typically how long it takes for a calf to grow up in real life.

[orchid pond]

I more meant for crops yea 2 years is a good time

[hallow orchid]

Crops with genetics won't be in for Bulid 42, according to the blog post above.

[orchid pond]

Probably be options for animals though

Correct just animals have genetics

For the moment? Unless they have that as a treat for us

Frost resistant cabbage lets goooo

[hallow orchid]

Oh, I completely forgot about winter survival in Build 42. Most likely none of the farm crops will grow, so you will only be relying on farm animals to sustain yourself if all non-perishable food items are gone.

[orchid pond]

Do hope that they find ways of making default winter scarier

But maybe that is just me

The not being able to grow things is a step in the right direction for sure

[velvet kettle]

do a 24 hour irl = 1 in-game day playthrough

[orchid pond]

I have actually been tempted by this but haven't yet

[hallow orchid]

Also, I just realized, if we have farm animals, multiplayer will be interesting, to say the least.

You would have a dedicated team of farmers breeding animals and keeping them safe. Teamwork would also be required because some farmers would be strong with metalworking, while weak to mechanics. And zombies being everywhere...

[velvet kettle]

by the time your first carrot is ready for harvest in 2 or 3 months (and if you're lucky a wabbit doesn't eat it first), the unstable build will likely have transitioned to stable lol

[velvet kettle]

on top of that, groups will also have take into account who prefers fishing, hunting, looting, foraging, constructing, and among other things as well! Or you could do rotations each day or week so everyone gets the best of all worlds lol

[hallow orchid]

Even if you do rotations, with the update changing how you level your skills to be leaning towards specific skillsets by occuptation, they wouldn't make the players be incentivized to work.

[orchid pond]

yea that would be something for when it goes stable for sure xD

[velvet kettle]

perhaps. I'm sure a mod will provide a workaround if you combine it with a fair XP multiplier in the sandbox settings tho

we'll have to see how drastic the changes will be

[hallow orchid]

I have a feeling that the next Thursdoid will briefly mention of UI changes in the main menu / multiplayer menus.

[proud tartan]

they've had a dedicated NPC team since the start of B42's development

[rustic vault]

To add to that it was mostly lemmy working on NPCs behaviours+the various systems for them for the past decade from what Ive gathered.

[orchid pond]

There a metric TON of blog posts from 2014 era talking about NPC systems and how they will work, not all of it will be used but I am sure there is a lot there that we can draw from for sure

[fluid kindle]

Dude I need B42 to come out so badly

[orchid pond]

https://tenor.com/view/donnie-darko-sparkle-motion-doubt-it-talking-gif-17264355

[gusty cradle]

What they meant is that people started playing on stage 1 of AI which is just the animals

[orchid pond]

The animal AI isn't actually stage one from my understanding. The animals are being added as a stopgap for crafting because a lot of things require leathers and such. Stage 1 doesn't actual start until B43 when Human NPCs come in, and the old animal AI is replaced with the proper npc code. Note in the roadmap it actually says B43 is Stage one 🙂 https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/02/holy-cow/

[orchid pond]

Found the section I was looking for it was actually in 2022 and beyond. Part of it aged like milk lol

[gusty cradle]

The thing is that all that info you are giving is old asf ngl. While yes they do prepare development of stuff, there's a fuck ton of stuff that can change, especially on the AI part once they got into the technical aspect of it and it's highly possible everything changed and how they will handle the subject

So perhaps this is true, but it is highly possible they completely changed how they would handle AI introduction to PZ and directly consider animal AI to be a good base to create more complex AI, who knows

[orchid pond]

Oh of course it is old, not disputing that all I am saying is they work in a three team system. One for current patch, one for the next patch and MP team. I am pretty sure it has been mentioned on the Discord prior by the devs. Everything is always subject to change, that is the joys of game dev.

[gusty cradle]

I really hope the MP is cooking on the zombie sync aspect of the MP
Bcs it has to be the worst thing ever invented rn

[orchid pond]

that would be delicious

[glass viper]

I like how we congregate around this Thursdoid, like caveman around a fire, and are basically praying to the gods, to drop a gift from above.
You could form a religion around b42.

[silver urchin]

ngl I just want cheese

[deep marsh]

I want to form a B52’s cover band that exclusively writes zombie-themed songs and call ourselves “The B42’s”

[wise cosmos]

I have a feeling that the NPCs will "spawn" at the start of the outbreak and have a couple of weeks simulated of them trying to survive. They also said that NPCs will be designated a home (probably works in conjunction with the profession home system they mentioned before) and I think they said that they're going to initially spawn in their homes as their survivor bases.

[compact pawn]

Y’all know how the Louisville checkpoint gets overrun n stuff, what if you could just like go see that happen in real time with the npcs, if you aren’t shot down before that. Prolly never gonna happen but it’s cool to think abt

[wise cosmos]

They're changing the lore so the Fall of Louisville already happened by the start of the game.

[compact pawn]

Dang

Well that’s cool too I guess

[timid trellis]

I think that would be a lot of work to make feel right

You would essentially need scripted zombies to appear

[gusty cradle]

Or just basic scenario where the military just cannot defeat the zombie army

[odd totem]

Not true

[wise cosmos]

Oh. I thought that's what was said. Thank you, Pat!

[wise cosmos]

Nvm I was wrong

[wise cosmos]

I take what I said. It's possible we're gonna see crowds of zeds on the Louisiville border fence.

[hallow orchid]

It's easier to see said crowds in Kingsmouth map. Just shout "HEY!", and then 4000+ zombies swarm out from the hotel.

No way to beat that without heavy artillery.

[orchid pond]

One spear at a time

[hallow orchid]

Each spear can only kill up to 8 zombies before breaking. You need at least 500 spears.

[orchid pond]

There is a lot of trees around

[hallow orchid]

That's just 1 building though.

[orchid pond]

You know the World Record holder in kills is a spear user right? MrLampreyUK does roughly 392~ kills daily on his current run

Almost entirely with spears

Can be done, just gotta slay 🤘

[hallow orchid]

Problem is I'm not MrLampreyUK.

[orchid pond]

Strive to become your own murder machine 💪

I believe in you

[hallow orchid]

I guess I can. But no guarantees I will make it without dying less than 10 times.

[compact pawn]

imagine if u get there before it all goes down and you can like, make it into the checkpoint

[wise cosmos]

Heheh. The Iron Man scene comes to my head.

Ecn: "MRLAMPREYUK WAS ABLE TO KILL 392 IN A DAY! WITH LOTS OF STICKS!
asperatology: "I'm sorry, sir. I'm not MrLampreyUK"

[wise cosmos]

I imagine we won't be allowed in and will be shot on sight.

[marble vortex]

My boys!

It's time to know the truth!

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[verbal sorrel]

[marble vortex]

Who can see the truth, can see that line it's moving!

[winter crag]

Specially breeding a cow to use an M16

[weak crest]

The possibilities are endless!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ak47-gun-go-brrrr-feline-weaponry-animal-gun-gif-446625065755922104

[winter crag]

Yes... YES...

[orchid pond]

🤣

[hallow orchid]

Another interesting thing about Build 42, is whether the game will maximize the usage of the concept of liminal spaces.

Liminal, meaning to linger, to stay in a place as intended.

Thanks to what could be terrain procedural generation near the edges of the map, perhaps the game will give the players many liminal spaces to explore.

However, it will not be a space the developers would intentionally want to keep you in. It would be a liminal space where the players travel to, under the subconsciousness of wanting to see what is there.

[frigid ore]

Most players don't leave their spawning town so wouldn't make a lot of sense

[timber trellis]

That is not what liminal space means. I think the concept you've described in that last bit exists in the game already in some ways, though, like forests or edges of (small) towns

[winter crag]

I want to join a multiplayer game and not interact with anybody ever.

Somebody so much as knocks on my shitty tent, I am detonating all 30 of the remote pipebombs I have laid around my camp.

[timid trellis]

if you're playing MP and you're not the literal first person in there you wont find a tent

or anything

[velvet kettle]

lol yeah and outside the houses that you’ll spawn in, there’ll be hordes of zombies waiting for you

[winter crag]

Hordes of zombies are far less intimidating than social interaction.

[gusty cradle]

I believe procedural generation is for nature only

At least it's the intended use for it rn

[timid trellis]

Procgen towns would be pretty lifeless imo

Plus, the consistent map layout helps make it feel like you’re actually in the apocalypse in your hometown

[tepid fractal]

yeah, procgen is for the farther parts of the map so we can stretch the map out further . if we used it for towns it would surely make the game feel less lifeless and enjoyable. probably cause bugs too

[velvet pewter]

proc gen for towns outside the currently playable knox area might be interesting, but the purpose built map is one of the more appealing things about PZ for me.

[verbal sorrel]

Same here

[thin bolt]

I wouldn't mind some proc gen personally

[fast vigil]

I have to concur, procgen shouldn't be a replacement for handmade maps

Now with basement and "story" randomization for each new map, I'm all for it

[wise cosmos]

Probably won't be towns. At most, it will probably be rest stops and random farm neighborhoods of like 6 houses.

You guys gotta remember, in the real world, outside of a city area, there's almost nothing out there.

[hallow orchid]

Wouldn't that count as liminal space?

After looking up what "liminal space" is about, it means it's a location in transition between "states". Here we have a transition between a "map" and a "procgen area".

[gusty cradle]

Eeehh

The thing is that they plan on using procedural generation to auto generate any nature spot from what they talked about for easier mapping for example or in the future for more complex stuff

I don't think you understood the concept of liminal space completely right. Nature being liminal is not easy to do unless it has something anormal to it I feel like

How tf could you call a forest a liminal space if it's basic. But give it something you know about like trees tend to look like something you know or maybe they are abnormaly aligned for example and I guess that could be liminal

[thin bolt]

Nature is probably easier than towns

[timber trellis]

I should clarify that my “not what a liminal space is” was referring to “Liminal, meaning to linger, to stay in a place as intended” & the concept you described in the rest of the message

What you said in this later message is more accurate & I can see the argument you're making. I'd disagree that it'd would be a transitional area (in practice), though, unless it were done poorly

[young karma]

in simcity 4 u could make sims 2 maps, and using tree-generation tools would generate trees in ts2 maps. however this isnt recommended bc the outcome can be finicky & unpredictable. one time i had a town full of just tree stumps

idk what that was my point is nature is probably pretty easy to procedurally generate, comparatively

u dont have to account for how a tree is placed & used. real life trees dont do that. but if u were building a bathroom u would need to make sure ppl could shit in it, if ur building a house u need to make sure the front door is accessible, if ur building a street u need to make sure it goes somewhere

lots of considerations that nature straight-up doesnt have

[pine wagon]

Yeah id be interested to see it done. Not as an entire sandbox map but rather as some kind of scenario. A challenge with some serious randomness to it

[proud tartan]

nope

bit late, but the border guards will open fire until the fence is breached

makes me wonder what they'll do as it's breaking down. will they just suddenly not shoot at you, or will you hear the commotion?

[hallow orchid]

Or maybe they gone through magazines full of bullets, and the guns all jammed. And then panic sets in.

[hallow orchid]

I see. Then I guess we will need to see them ourselves to decide.

[hoary slate]

I wouldn't mind specific buildings or arrangements being like.. maybe more randomized slightly? Like, particular houses or buildings might have a form A or form B depending what the game decides on world gen

[velvet pewter]

eh, now that we have randomized basements something like that feels a bit excessive to me

[hoary slate]

That's actually why I think of it lol

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT MAN

I NEED IT SO BAD BROS

[orchid pond]

I am not sure you do

I wonder if the bayonet will be functional in B42, would be pretty neat

[velvet kettle]

wondering about the chainsaw too

[hallow orchid]

I can't wait to be Denji and go ham in a modded PZ.

[wise cosmos]

Did they confirm the chainsaw?

[umbral lagoon]

i believe it was mentioned at some point, not necessarily for this update.

[tepid fractal]

its basically already in the game

[weak crest]

With the sort of weapon overhaul we're being shown, I imagine it is coming

[proud tartan]

only in the sense that it has a model and a scrappy kill animation

[velvet pewter]

i wonder how fast chainsaw blades would dull through zombies realistically. In my expereincr cutting logs lasts awhile but once you start accidently cutting things not intended (i.e. dirt below the log) it gets dulled pretty fast. There alot of different materials in a corpse

[pulsar grotto]

devs really out here making spiked bowling pins

is that a sign v2 is near completion

[timber trellis]

By v2 do you mean b42?

[woeful hearth]

Bro just spawned IRL

[timber trellis]

I don't know what this means but I'll pretend I do: so true

[deep marsh]

Take his backpack; he probably has a baseball bat, chips, hammer, and a water bottle!

[woeful hearth]

I was referring to how b42 has been in the works for 2 years and since someone was not aware of it first thing I thought was that they must have spawned in real life at this very moment

[timber trellis]

I see, thank you for the explanation

[gusty cradle]

It's technically already in the game

[winter crag]

Biggest problem is gumming up the internals.

[velvet pewter]

I guess ive never tried chainsawing anything squishy like a zombie so Ill take your word for it

[orchid pond]

I'd probably save the chainsaw for tree myself

[glass viper]

I doubt it would dull quickly from going through flesh, we're mostly water. Technically calcium is a metal, but a very soft one. Earth is full of hard minerals.

[proud tartan]

The chainsaw was designed to preform rapid field amputations during war, I think it'd be fine

[wise cosmos]

Yeah. A buzzsaw would probably work better.

[wise cosmos]

I think the problem is soft, rotting flesh gunking up the machine internals, not blade sharpness.

[winter crag]

Or a comically large pair of scissors

[glass viper]

Possibly. But there is that.....one video.... From the early internet, which shows......things. You know. Let's just say the chainsaw didn't jam. 👀

[hallow orchid]

It will be a sign, if all of a sudden, the Thursdoid blog has nothing to say, meaning, it's in the polishing phase and the B42 update would be imminent.

But no, nothing of this sort has happened yet.

[pulsar grotto]

they keep deciding to add more things so it's not exactly a fullproof idea

I'm thinking v2 is coming july or october

[verbal sorrel]

i wanna live in a sewer

[orchid pond]

It's not that they keep adding more things just for the heck of it.. While they wait for certain things to be finished IE the big bottle neck that is producing the crafting bits and bobs. Other devs that aren't working on that aren't just sitting around twiddling their thumbs..

Not all devs have expertise in the same thing so everyone is doing their thing

[pulsar grotto]

which is why I said it could be a sign that things are starting to wrap up at least for the modelers

[orchid pond]

Yup yup

[hallow orchid]

Wait, you keep using v2. What is v2?

I don't think Build 42 has version 1 and version 2.

[timber trellis]

I think they're under the impression that the current build, build 41, is “v1” and b42 will be “v2”

But that's just a guess from context

[silver urchin]

thursdoid.....

me want thursdoid................ 😭

[frigid ore]

Two more weeks

[raven perch]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[peak wraith]

Thursdoid could be on the 23rd or the 30th of May

[toxic onyx]

*open eyes

are we there yet?

[frigid ore]

I thought you were done with thursdoids?

[pulsar grotto]

yeah

[toxic onyx]

i am, just want to make sure the build hasn't released

but i think it has not

so i will go back to sleep

bye

[velvet kettle]

[orchid pond]

Nah it is always on the last Thursday, we especially learned this during the leap year thursdoid

[wise cosmos]

What a viral snuff film?

[willow geode]

Keep sleeping until you're pinged then

[winter crag]

A bunch of Zomboid players boutta wake up and ask when Build 43 releases the second they get pinged like a bunch of cicadas.

[verbal sorrel]

[crystal gyro]

I have a vacation coming up in June and I'm scared 42 will release while I'm far far away from my PC. Id almost wish I wouldn't know until I get back 😭

[frigid ore]

100% sure it won't release in June. And even if it does, it would be unstable, which means constant updates that will delete your save

[hallow orchid]

Oohhh, didn't know we can have this role.

[proud tartan]

I don't know about updates breaking your save other than the initial release

[nova palm]

We got some serious sign experts aroumd here. Probably with a success rate as high as astrologers

[deep marsh]

You say 'bye' as if you won't be back here in a couple days passive-aggressively commenting on how you 'just want to play the game already'.

I'll save a seat at the table for you, buddy. ❤️

[verbal sorrel]

lol

[robust kayak]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[orchid pond]

On the bright side if it does release while you were away it will be in a better state when you get back.

[crystal gyro]

Damn.....Ecn, you have amazing bedside manner. 😋

[orchid pond]

❤️

[sacred widget]

B42 ain’t coming out this year. They delayed b41 by like 6months. They’re going to do the same with b42

[verbal sorrel]

twitter says 2024

[sacred widget]

It’s an up in the air date

[verbal sorrel]

nope

[sacred widget]

Until they give an exact date, that’s just there to hype the game

[verbal sorrel]

I wonder why they wont give an exact date lol

[sacred widget]

You don’t think devs do this? lol that’s naive.

[verbal sorrel]

These devevlopererprpes? No

[sacred widget]

They know b42 might not be ready this year

[verbal sorrel]

okdie dokie

[sacred widget]

Indie Game Store is like every other dev. They’re a business, not your friend

[verbal sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-again-rly-really-gif-24837012

[gusty cradle]

What a lovely conversation

[timber trellis]

"Indie Game Store"

(Implied) attitude aside, the sentiment of that last message isn't untrue. They are a business. That doesn't mean they can't have a good relationship with their community, though, or that the devs (the people, not the company) aren't trustworthy

[verbal sorrel]

I mean they dont give etas lol so its just weird to me people would assume the game isnt going to release this year when they said on their twitter its coming out in 2024

[timber trellis]

🤷🏾 I agree, the public announcement has a high level of confidence. Not everyone sees it that way but that's alright

Ultimately they're likely just going to be proven wrong, or we are. Until then I'd prefer remaining neutral than being pessimistic (or too optimistic)

[weak crest]

Well they did confirm it's coming this year and still keep showing stuff every month, I think that's pretty friendly of em

Not to mention it used to be every week

[hearty osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gorilla-shocked-omg-oh-shit-gif-16327758

[willow geode]

? lol

[willow geode]

???? lol

[hallow orchid]

Maybe the pessimism is affecting everyone.

[winter crag]

Release build 42 by 3024 or I will shit my jorts

If my demands are not met, I will go on a hunger strike unless I get the tummy rumbles.

[thin bolt]

his uncle works for indie stone bro

[gusty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[timber trellis]

Indie Game Store*

[orchid pond]

😆

[velvet kettle]

I got a good laugh out of Indie Game Store lol

[winter crag]

It was solid.

[timid trellis]

Even if it does turn out that B42 gets delayed, you say it like it's some kind of malicious, scummy tactic to manipulate the market. Having a vague timeframe and urging people to temper release date expectations; while ALSO being crystal clear on what's happening in development is probably the most absolute community-friendly way to handle this. It's also worth mentioning that TIS has stated that their workflow is comparatively relaxed to other studios.

If you want to suggest that TIS is strategically playing its community, do you not think that they would rush out more releases more often? Historically, Project Zomboid has had massive surges when releases happen. Would you agree that they would theoretically also spew out hard release dates and hype campaigns instead of dropping releases spontaneously?

There are far too many things that TIS could be doing that they aren't for you to convince me that they are playing you for your wallet

[winter crag]

"Comparitively relaxed" is a funny sentence to me. I think if a company doesn't chain employees to their desks they are doing better than 99% of other game development studios.

[timber trellis]

Thank goodness. I was worried gamers would find it controversial that I make my employees wear shock collars, but I would never chain them to their desks

[winter crag]

😂

[timber trellis]

This is art

[deep marsh]

I like y'all.

[mellow panther]

It's ok guys I can FEEL B42 this month

[velvet kettle]

what about the Thursdoid? Can you feel if it'll be the 23rd or the 30th?

[fluid kindle]

I FUCKING NEED IT I NEED IT SO GOD DAMN BAD

[deep marsh]

I like some of y'all.

[hallow orchid]

It's always the last Thursday of each month. So, May 30.

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[orchid pond]

I need pie.

[velvet kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/pie-pied-cherrypie-cherry-gif-254008967000422497

[mellow panther]

Def the 30th

[orchid pond]

[velvet kettle]

just kidding. Here you go, buddy

https://tenor.com/view/cherry-pie-pie-pie-day-food-yum-gif-17772705

[orchid pond]

[glass viper]

As much as I'd like to get my rat paws on B42, I don't understand the "GIVE IT TO ME NOW!!!!" mentality. They're not keeping the build in a vault, underneath Rosslyn Chapel. Twirling their mustache over our lamentation. It simply isn't ready. It's buggy. You'd end up with half-baked garbage that doesn't work, has textures missing, with an added bonus of losing all your mods.

[winter crag]

It may not be finished, but Soul Filcher has not released any information saying that Build 42 is not in a vault underneath Rosslyn Chapel.

As for the twirling mustaches,

C'mon. You know that atleast one or two are twirling up a storm. You went through the tutorial same as any other Zomboider.

On a different note, I wonder if Build 42 will have more connected side narratives.

We can see in the current version that things like the TP house and annotated survivor's notes are there, but it would be neat to have a random chance of reading the name of a familiar survivor who made it to another town, sorta like Left 4 Dead's graffiti. One could say that without each sidestory being compartmentalized on their own, players wouldn't be able to start from the beginning to get a full understanding of the narrative, but you can already miss chunks of the story from a cloudy day or a shitty TV/radio and a more linear story doesn't seem to be the game's MO anyhow.

I'm all for making Pat_Bren's work harder, is what I think I'm getting at here.

[winter crag]

Also, despite me saying that, I am also rabidly excited to have more neolithic-focused for the wannabe cave dwellers. Which begs the question, why isn't there for terrain like hills? It'd may be janky, but I think it could be done fairly effectively with grass-textured ramps.

[winter crag]

@Silent Oo, another point, it would make sense if TIS was like every other dev to just say the game is 'finished' and move on to Project Zomboid 2, this time with new hair styles. Updates don't make money. There's definitely a point to be made about parasocial relationships and hiding our shrines of nasKo, but it is also just regular folks making this game, for better or worse. We can call them soulless corpo bastards once they do something genuinely harmful to their playerbase, like adding in microtransactions or if they let the writer into my fucking granary again.

I'll run a vanilla-style playthrough once Build42 comes out, a 'The Long Dark' inspired run in case I don't make it to winter for whatever reason, and then a neolithic run for a chaser.

[winter crag]

Bah, a Nicolai text wall to greet you all in the morning.

[glass viper]

I stand corrected. I forgot about the tutorial, it's been a while. They are definitely twirling mustaches. But for what purpose? Remains a mystery...

[nova palm]

My mustache cannot be twirled, it is never long enough for that. Can't say for all members of the team but that is also true for most of them.

[odd totem]

It can't really though, how do different levels work, how do south/east facing hills work etc.

[verbal sorrel]

Blair

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT I NEED IT SO FUCKING BAD

[midnight mesa]

Two weeks until the next Fillerdoid

[winter crag]

Ah, bugger. I forgot about that to be perfectly honest.

[winter crag]

A mystery we will solve, gang!

[hard wolf]

i am going to work and get 10 million dollar a day and onvest in the indigo rock

[hallow orchid]

I need your diamond hands though

[fluid kindle]

A taste is enough man, BUT I NEED IT

I NEED IT

[deep marsh]

Have you guys ever played The Independent Game Store's first game, Animal Hands?

[orchid pond]

😆

[timber trellis]

I haven't played it, but all the characters are super cute. I see why they picked Spongo as the mascot for PZ though

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[winter crag]

When Build 42 comes, you will be left behind. For your haste has left you aimless, your desire for speed ultimately getting you nowhere.

Patience is a virtue that all hunters must have, lest they become prey.

[fluid kindle]

BUT I NEED IT

[winter crag]

As do we all. But one must put effort into what they can change rather than what they cannot. For example, I have been slowly building a homemade cryo device in my basement using a chest freezer. This will safely carry me to when Build 42 Stable is estimated to come out according to the seers. Sure, the power draw makes my lights flicker, but it should be safe enough.

Sure, the seers have gotten the other dates wrong, but failure is a learning moment that ultimately brings mastery. Statistically, they are bound to be right sooner or later.

[deep marsh]

It's kind of a cute Easter Egg that they got included as plush mascots; I found Spongo the Wombat in the restaurant, I found Crepe the Fennec Fox while foraging, but I won't rest until I find Bart the Wolverine to complete the set 🫡

[winter crag]

Godspeed, harber.

[orchid pond]

I love it when they put egg nogs in games. It's a little treat for those that know.

[crystal gyro]

I'm always happy when I find Kate's photo. I can't wait to revisit their story 🥲

[glass viper]

I've got almost 400h in the game, I've never found Kate's photo.

[hard wolf]

i found 13 of them

across 90 runs

[hard wolf]

thats not a lot

[deep marsh]

Kate photo from the PZ profile background on Steam

[glass viper]

👀

[peak wraith]

Project zomboid the movie

[fluid kindle]

I NEED BUILD 42 SO BAD CMON MAN

[thin bolt]

No

[deep marsh]

@ Jarinex? 'No' to the photo of Kate, to the penisham reaction to her, or to the concept of Zomboid the movie?

[willow geode]

to "I need it now"

[deep marsh]

Absolutely no idea what you're talking about, sad to say.

[willow geode]

https://tenor.com/view/hudson-hawk-hat-trick-fedora-bruce-willis-gif-22180295

[deep marsh]

If we're creating our fan-casts of Zomboid : The Movie, do we still need to include one of the Chris', or have we moved onto Pedro Pascal now?

[compact pawn]

Baldspot has one too

And the raider

[willow geode]

Chris?

[proud scroll]

Dragging chris nuts across your face lmao

[deep marsh]

Pine, Evans, Pratt

[deep marsh]

So Baldspot is Jay Bauman? That's pretty cool to see the RedLetterMediaverse expanding

[orchid pond]

As much as I enjoy his work, Pedro already has is fungus zombie apocalypse show, need someone different to really make it seperate and stand out.

[timber trellis]

They should cast me as john zomboid

[winter crag]

Madness has afflicted the chat. I will fetch my trepanning needles to balance the humours.

[robust pasture]

No the blog is too scary

[orchid pond]

[nova palm]

Nicholas Cage will be Baldspot, making Nicholas Cage faces as he swings hos frying pan at the horde

[orchid pond]

I am weirdly ok with this

[deep marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mdma-ecstasy-ecstatic-gif-21525010

[nova palm]

Sean Bean will be Kate, marking his triumphant return to dying characters, and grabbingtwo oscars

[orchid pond]

Spoilers!

The question remains though, is it a death by , , or

COMING SOON TO A THEATRE NEAR YOU

[hard wolf]

who will be the raider

[velvet kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/abraham-ford-gif-18478356

[sharp fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-crunchy-cat-crunchy-cat-crunchycat-gif-14946231399377627251

[hard wolf]

😊

[hallow orchid]

It's staring at the beautiful deer prancing around on the screen.

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[deep marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/hat-itysl-tim-timrobinson-ithinkyoushouldleave-gif-22337372

@willow geode ah crap, I tried to do a cool thing like you, and now I got grease all over my safari flaps-- I'm not supposed to get grease on this hat.

[graceful cosmos]

lmao this made me bark laughing

Always trust a guy who doesn't know the name of the developer and jumps into a thread to sow distrust

why is it so easy to pick out fans who have never developed anything in their lives

[winter crag]

As if I'd ever trust someone as untrustworthy as you to tell me who to trust

Atleast I can trust that Pat_Breen guy. Says he's from Eyeland, and needs to look at my credit cards.

[graceful cosmos]

Nat Green from Indie Game Store?? He's a shill

[winter crag]

😆

[fleet harness]

he actually has the deed to my house

[woeful hearth]

It better be a shop in b42

[velvet kettle]

hope so too. Similar to

being implemented in the game

[orchid pond]

The Indie Store Construction