D'ya Like Them GrappleZ

[peak wraith]

carrying corpses going to be interesting

RIP to build 41 mods once build 42 arrives.

[frigid ore]

Any dev here can confirm if the Better Call Saul level up music mod will still work in B42? I can't live without it

[velvet pewter]

it shouldnt be too hard to make, if youre that desperate on release

[old hare]

dragging corpses was chef's kiss

[frigid ore]

Another obsolete mod for B42: That one that shows a corpse when you carry it

[peak wraith]

tossing dead bodies out of windows mod will be RIP

its just like the time when generator to gas pumps used to be a mod feature until it became vanilla.

[grave quest]

Maybe if there's also an animation if 2 people drag the corpse, it will become the highest peak update

[pine wagon]

Bodes well for furniture pushing mechanics too

Might actually get a good looking implementation of it. That body dragging looks so good. The game is gonna feel so much more immersive in 42

[proud tartan]

assume all mods will break in 42 and be pleasantly surprised when they don't

[velvet pewter]

I wonder with generators becoming locked behind electrical 3 will all the welded "furniture" be behind magazines still. Always thought it was weird given carpentry doesn't have to do anything to know all of its furniture recipes

[verbal sorrel]

pull apart bread

[timber trellis]

I can't confirm because I'm not psychic but that sort of mod would probably be fine, if it's just replacing a sound. Unless the filename changes in b42 (which could be the case with the affinity system but I think it's probably the same)

Oh idk why I read that as “any modder”

[clever scaffold]

The dragging mechanic was actually really dope to see, including the ability to throw corpses through the window

This also makes me wonder if theres gonna be potential for zombies having the chance to grab onto you to hinder you, increasing the risk of a horde pulling you in

Since like, if you have a horde on your back in b41, you can have like 50 zombies breathing down your neck and you'll be totally fine and almost not be in any risk as long as your walking away

That definitely might not be a fun factor as an idea, but that'd make the hordes way, way scarier than they already are

[velvet kettle]

I'm very much looking forward to the possibility of zombies grabbing our characters and dragging us through windows

[velvet kettle]

anything that makes zombies more dangerous and daunting sounds considerably fun

[pale veldt]

ok now give them the ability to operate firearms

[verbal sorrel]

what lol no

you want to give them guns?!

[plain depot]

you know that whole zombie poking hands through chainlink fences and just pull you in at them?

I hope to see that

[clever scaffold]

horror moment fr

[clever scaffold]

agreed

[old hare]

strangled through the fence

[frigid ore]

They just wanted a kiss 👉 👈

[pale veldt]

yes

[velvet kettle]

iirc they're adding distinct vocalizations for sprinters and they sound real scary. Also, the idea of large hordes to knock down fences sounds neat

[verbal sorrel]

bruh no lmao , youre grounded , i barely live past 2 weeks and you want to ARM THEM

[pale veldt]

just dodge lol

[verbal sorrel]

oh ok

[velvet kettle]

they're sort of already going to be armed: spiky zombies

[pale veldt]

[velvet kettle]

imagine a zombie impaled with a katana pulls you toward itself and you're impaled along with it

[strange mirage]

Let zombies drive

[velvet kettle]

let zombies work at TIS so that sprinters become default

[frigid ore]

Let zombies break into your base while you sleep, take all of your sledgehammers and throw them into the river

[velvet kettle]

let zombies ride hors... nvm too far

[verbal sorrel]

lol , see thats a better idea

[frigid ore]

Imagine if zombies get to ride horses before us. I'd be mad

[velvet kettle]

solution: just zombify yourself and you'll get to ride one

[gritty mist]

🤓

[frigid mason]

does anyone know if the book .3x scaling thing will ever be fixed?

how you need to read half the book for it to be a positive multiplier

[velvet kettle]

hmm… read somewhere that the game ignores any values below 1.0 so no XP is lost

[glass viper]

Build 42 sounds like it's gonna be really epic. But also feels like it's gonna come out in 2025.

[verbal sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-gif-4527592

[velvet kettle]

lol

they said B42 will be out this year

[glass viper]

Yeah, probably in December. 🤣

[verbal sorrel]

thats still this year

[velvet kettle]

December 31, 2024 at 11:59 PM

WOAH! Look at that: I have been promoted

I’m a now

[winter crag]

If I ever lose this plunger, I will be inconsolable.

[velvet kettle]

maybe they’ll add a Recruit Prestige role. I’ll happily go back to plunger if that happens

[verbal sorrel]

Plugner best weapon anyways!

[orchid pond]

[velvet kettle]

[silver urchin]

waiting for healing animations between two players

with the new animation system

[rotund horizon]

Hugging for mental healing.

[misty sigil]

oh no, they edging

[frigid ore]

The shape of the bones is a bit sus

[velvet pewter]

boner

[winter crag]

They must weigh a skele-ton

[jolly snow]

I am certainly quite excited. At the same time, I know my groups will now demand I move the dumpster constantly to remove corpses as to avoid leaving blood trails.

[upper pivot]

So, there is no a gun a long-term after the Knox event? Technology was lost and the rest of civilization return to a medieval era?

It's a sincere question, because I've seen medieval weapons and armor in the updates, but nothing about firearms 😕

[scarlet oak]

I'm not sure if devs will add something like this but i hope modders will

[sacred meadow]

I'm betting on scrap firearms, but if they aren't added you can absolutely bet there will be modded guns.

I wouldn't worry about it

[wise cosmos]

I feel like there's a possibility. When NPCs are introduced, we need a system to be able to incapacitate and capture people.

[misty sigil]

I obsessed build 42 and want now, can't wait

[willow geode]

Happy to announce that Build 42 will be a separate feature of our new 300 dollar Project Zomboid Greed of the Year Uninstall Edition

[proud tartan]

it's 1.3 not a flat .3

[forest grove]

Carrying dead bodies in b42 will allow us to have a pet zombie and hug it if we are scared 😊 🥺

[frigid ore]

Are bows and crossbows enough? I don't think we are getting firearms crafted by players

[thin bolt]

Guns go pew pew

[verbal sorrel]

can we get straws that you can use to make spit wads

truly a thing of the 90s

[deep marsh]

A zero damage short-to-medium range projectile intended solely to get a zed's attention or annoy your friends

[upper pivot]

I also hope on scraps firearms, and even sophisticated manufacturing through an extensive logistics chain and industrial production benches 🙏

[verbal sorrel]

i like barricading my friends in rooms

[deep marsh]

"I'm not rejoining the server until you unbarricade my bedroom and remove the rattlesnake."

[verbal sorrel]

Lol

[outer chasm]

you throwing a Tarkov?

[stark glade]

i feel like the generators are going to actually differ in weight and power outputs

[weak crest]

Likely that and different gas consumptions maybe, I imagine the old generator would use up more and the ValuTech could use less gas but produce less electricity

Maybe the noise made from them could vary as well with some being louder/quieter

[stark glade]

i think valutech would be the weakest but very fuel efficient, old takes the most fuel and doesnt produce much power, the og stays the same and premium is very powerful or similar to the default

and then the valutech and premium ones would need high electrical levels to work on while the old one probably has way higher health and is very easy to repair

[thorny raptor]

waltuh

[stark glade]

i am finger

[sick kindle]

wouldn't surprise me boss

[orchid pond]

[stark glade]

[velvet kettle]

[thorny raptor]

kid named toe

[peak wraith]

lol

[normal token]

i'm excited that i'll be able to have less mods. it seems that; like all the best games; they've taken inspiration and feedback from the modding community and added some awesome features that i would usually have to mod in. :)

[stark glade]

i think youre gonna have to use less mods when b42 releases, i dont think many mods are gonna work with b42

[normal token]

that's not much of a worry. i'll be treating build 42 as a new game so i'll be on vanilla for a while :)

my computer is a bit old so mods slow it down and with this update i'll be able to have those mods as features while having all my frames back

[stark glade]

so will i, guaranteed gonna get at least 100 hours of vanilla gameplay

[crystal gyro]

Whoa! Is it me, or do the corpses look better? Like they remained 3d instead of turning that pixilated 2d?

I'm guessing its the depth buffer making it look 3d

[gusty cradle]

I think they are 3d now, good 3D

They do look better

[peak wraith]

zombie corpses putting hand on chest when they die lol

[crystal gyro]

All zomboids are patriots

Hope they can make a smeared blood trail in the future. That'd be sick! 😝

[pine wagon]

Well they were always 3D. Its just that the environment now treats them as such

[peak wraith]

if only we could carry bodies like this

firemans carry

[wise cosmos]

Maybe we could?

In the future?

[brave hearth]

they're 3d now

well

will be

[crystal gyro]

Wow! I must have missed that. They look much better now!

[orchid pond]

[verbal sorrel]

more decomposisiton!!!

[orchid pond]

MOAR

[forest grove]

maybe a mechanic/mod to allow something like this if u have high strenght?

😳

[toxic onyx]

I've been waiting for dragging feature on this game all along. Because manipulating objects in the game can get absurd lol, like picking up gigantic heavy object on two or one hand like nothing, or having to add something into your inventory in order to be able to displace it.
I hope with dragging, pulling and pushing for all objects gets added too.

It would be really cool if we could just pull and push furniture without getting ourselves crunched under weight

[peak wraith]

throwing bodies out of windows is nice

another logic that needs to change in build 42 is breaking a window with your elbow.

[winter crag]

If only I could be carried like that owo

[peak wraith]

maybe carry a deer corpse you killed.

[hoary slate]

This definitely feels like an animation you might see at higher strength vs low strength dragging. That or maybe specific to carrying another (living) survivor in some fashion?

[peak wraith]

putting bodies in the trunk of car to avoid them from dripping blood

[wooden spoke]

sew them up so they dont bleed as much

[wise cosmos]

How I imagine it in a way that might work with the game:

An animation where we push/pull furniture in heaves, and with each heave, we seamlessly slide the furniture into the next cell lol. That way, even if we're interrupted, we're not in a situation where the furniture would need to snap into a cell. Player strength and weight of the furniture could still be accounted for to affect how much time each heave takes. Multi-cell furniture could be stopped by a wall. We could probably even use the card system to rotate furniture the same way, rotating them like a door. Maybe.

Imagine shoving furniture in front of the doors and windows for makeshift barricades.

But the grappling system seems to be for interacting 3D models and anything on a cell is actually just a 2D sprite, but the card system could actually allow for a lot of potential.

Btw, with how they explained the grappling system, I REALLY hope that PVP can be improved with this.

[timid trellis]

attacking another player in zomboid starts an entire fighting game mode

zomboid tekken

[crystal gyro]

Yeah, be a man and do it with your face!

[timid trellis]

I'm curious if furniture tiles are even capable of sliding like this

I'd especially be concerned about the behavior of moving anything 'solid' like that

i.e., players becoming stuck between walls and furniture, glitching into unintended locations, etc

[wise cosmos]

Well, there will definitely need to be edge cases to sort out.

[wise cosmos]

The idea is that the object isn't actually sliding, but it's supposed to be the same as an object disappearing and reappearing in the next tile. The sliding animation is just an immersive visualization.

[velvet pewter]

I doubt itd change much outside of possibly giving an unarmed attack method

[wise cosmos]

They said that the code allows, potentially, for the grappled person to override the grapple.

Like resisting getting pulled down from a zombie

Imagine being able to block a melee attack...

[velvet pewter]

i dont think blocking would want to leverage the grappling system, the only application I see from a pvp perspective is allowing some sort of defense without a weapon.

[umbral lagoon]

I love seeing them talk about more animation details and potentially ragdolling in the future. I hope that, even if it takes mods, we get the ability to interact more with zeds. Hang them from trees like we see raider camps do in Days gone. Chain some up in a basement. Tie one to a fence. cut one’s arms off and keep it in a cage. Push them down stairs (like the unused animation).

[velvet pewter]

I liked the dumpster comment someone had earlier, having an animation for dumping zombie bodies in the garabge like a mafioso would be funny

[green gate]

Cool

[orchid pond]

We had sliding mechanics on furniture, back in the tech demo days. So it is potentially possible.

[verbal sorrel]

That would be dream come true! I love using furniture for barricading

[proud tartan]

I think you mean specifically a car window

[orchid pond]

Honestly at the time it looked like things were being pushed around on an ice rink. But they didn't have these anchor points or anything obviously. I wish I could find footage of back then.

[weak crest]

Could kinda be a good QoL addition to have the options of just pushing furniture like that, picking it up and moving it, or disassembling, carrying the parts and reassembling that furniture, depending on the situation and how big/heavy it is

[icy adder]

I am going through TWD once again and seeing the grappling mechanic made me think of something...

[toxic onyx]

Honestly the idea of things being strictly snapped into the cell sounds very boring, I think we should be able to do more than that. By the way, what is card system?

[fleet nacelle]

me after killing 300 zombies once: ...... dragging bodies with i don't care music XD

[wise cosmos]

I mean the card rendering system they mentioned, which they said will allow for better sprite layering and prevent visual clipping. It also opens up the potential to sit in chairs away from the camera. The "Play Your CardZ Right" Thursdoid goes into this in depth.

And I'm sorry, but i dont think that the game's engine allows for tiles to exist partway between cells.

[toxic onyx]

I think that game can allow for a system where graphical rendering systems could actually be used with 3D physical properties. Like things being placed partway between cells. You can, for example, place an item on a cell in 3D way, if that item model is long enough to exceed that one cell and cover two cells while being actually placed on one simple cell, it technically graphically exceeds the cell system. However, going further would require giving collision properties to items. And then, making world objects like walls, furniture and so on would make more sense to be defined as items and they would be seperated from cells while cells would co-exist with dominating new physically bound graphical rendering system.

I think that the game can utilize 3D graphical features, so I think that it can also utilize physics with them. For example, cars are NEVER limited to tiles. They move 3D, they interact with environments as 3D. They are pure physics. And they don't have anything to do with tiles, they're completely seperated from the tile system.

To me, the only reason that the game is 2D is because it is made on a 2D engine, yet which you can still perfectly render 3D things on. Hell, we're going to get 3D characters being able to clip through with the right visuals through 2D stairs like in that video. We're going to get 3D characters being completely covered or in front of 2D walls.

Even the vision system doesn't have to be 2D and tile-based. And they try to make vision 3D too, you can observe that one 1 floor higher roofs and so on. I have a whole suggestion on a completely upgraded and seamless and partially viewable vision system that completely gets rid off of being dependant on tiles. F.E, being able too half of a car. You cannot do that in current tile-based vision system. But my suggested vision system renders everything in dynamic and 3D properties.

[wise cosmos]

Umm....The difference is that the items you place have full 3D models. As are cars. And the players and the zombies. But tiles, like tables and bookshelves and refrigerators and TVs, are 2D.

Sure, the 2D objects have 3D collision boxes, but the placement of 2D tiles is entirely based off of the layered 2D tile system. And TIS would need dive deep into their ancient spaghetti code to rework it to accommodate what you're asking for.

If a staff member were here, they could probably explain it much better than me.

[toxic onyx]

The main issue with many games, outdated and ancient stuff..

I understand that

[shrewd wing]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[gusty cradle]

They already said and shown all these improvement for b42

Doors are bexoming 3D and basically everything will become 3D (tho furnitures will not come on release I believe)

[toxic onyx]

But only graphically, aren't they? That was what I am saying.

[gusty cradle]

That's 99% of the entire system getting improved lmao, what do you wanr more ?

[toxic onyx]

To understand it, please read or comprehend. I do not even treat you like you didn't understand or nor see the problem despite you very clearly misunderstanding the whole point.

If you're solely satiated with graphics and fake looks in games, then there are MANY games out there. Even Unreal Engine Projects with few assets would be top-tier game for you. You wouldn't need Project Zomboid.

B41 is currently not even close to today's standards of games. It has many fundamental flaws and my focus is on that, not graphics. Graphics would eventually improve. B42 will polish the game to a 202x standards of a game and I'm grateful for it, yet I'll still need 400 mods to change game mechanics into something actually good and fulfilling PZ's true potential. Therefore I look further

Mindset is the biggest limitation, game engine limitation comes later.

[gusty cradle]

What are you talking about lmao, never was limited on graphics but changing furnitures in 3D is also a massive engine change that will affect how players, items, zombies and vehicle would ibteract with the world

First it can allow furnitures to not be centered on a tile, items to be leveled with various height furnitures, players to move furnitures in real time etc

So wtf are you talking about lmao

[toxic onyx]

You said "what do you wanr more ?" when I asked "But only graphically, aren't they?" and now you're saying "never was limited on graphics", please be more consistent with your points if you want a healthy communication.

What are you talking about lmao lmao lol wtf are you talking about lmao!!

My genuine reaction when people activate fight-or-flee mechanism and consider it a fight on a discussion with no insults

I got a headache due to my intolerance of poor communication now smh

[verbal sorrel]

Thats pretty cool

[gusty cradle]

What I described you ultimately ends up being visual stuff, graphical stuff, yet on the technical side it's not just putting a picture in front of you

Even doing any graphical changes will have technical aspects being it

[toxic onyx]

Alright

[timber trellis]

Everything being 3D would be neat in theory (as a far future thing) but I imagine it wouldn't be very friendly to players with lower-end specs

Not to mention the obvious concern of that being a huge lift in terms of work to recreate tiles as 3D objects, but that's why it'd be an eventual thing anyhow. I don't think that's something really worth focusing on

Saying that as someone who enjoys decorating, whose dream feature is a second axis of rotation for placed objects. It's not something that would have huge gameplay implications imo

Also, this isn't that important, but it's not really accurate to say that the 3D objects are “completely separated from the tile system.” Players, vehicles, and placed objects are still on a certain tile (calculated from their position) & I imagine the same would be true of furniture if it were updated as you've described

[thin bolt]

Isn't it already 3d

[timber trellis]

See this set of messages @thin bolt; talking about the sprites, like furniture

[thin bolt]

too much work

also i like the sprites in the inventory so I hope we keep those

[verbal sorrel]

more decomp!!

[timber trellis]

Which is why it wouldn't be something done anytime soon, if at all

[thin bolt]

Too much work to read

[timber trellis]

Oh. Skill issue then

[verbal sorrel]

[knotty lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/oogway-my-time-has-come-gif-8019684

[balmy mango]

With this new grappling/merging system I would really like a group lift so that multiple people can pick up things like fridges without removing everything from their inventories

[verbal sorrel]

kinda weierd we can even lift stuff like that with things on our back

[peak wraith]

hiding a shotgun in a glove box be like

[wise cosmos]

Maybe some encumbrance balances will also arrive

[wise cosmos]

That's what I'm thinking, too. Also potentially goes in hand with my idea of sliding furniture around. Multiple people contributing to pushing/pulling furniture.

[wise cosmos]

The doors aren't actually 3D from that video. You know that, right?
Where did they ever say that all of this will be made 3D? Why would the team be spending so much freaking time even making soooooo many new tiles just to replace them with 3D models in the future? Why do into so much effort with the depth buffer if they planned to eventually make it 3D, and thus circumventing all issues that the buffer is supposed to deal with, anyway?

[gusty cradle]

This has been mentioned at least a hundred times within the various dev blogs lol

Doors are becoming 3D, allowing to open and close them easily partially and shit like that, give them animations

You can easily find videos of them showing that

For the tiles, this was mentioned alongside the doors and stuff

I'm not an expert of the blogs but this has been mentioned a lot of time

Let me try to see if I can find this

[gusty cradle]

What I found but there most likely are more recent examples
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/02/play-your-cardz-right/

https://youtu.be/gXQ0KrOSdi8

Trying to find the doors and gates video

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/11/one-door-openz/

https://youtu.be/Ev2genBbzb4

[timber trellis]

I think people are using the term 3D differently here

That is, a distinction between the perception of depth in sprites described in the cardz blog & 3D models. I'm uncertain about whether the doors will be changed to 3D but the blog read to me as if they'll be in the former category, animated to appear 3D

I don't think the difference matters much from a player perspective, but that may have been what penguin was referring to with “aren't actually 3D.” Again, though, dunno whether that's the case (& not feeling like rereading the blog to try to find out)

This distinction may also explain the confusion in the earlier discussion with Ahlat

[gusty cradle]

Yes that's what I think to but they do mention the use of actual 3D shapes to determine the sprite

So I think the idea is to basically have 3D objects placed on top of sprites to tell the game where things are

So yeah it's not exactly 3D but very close to it

[timber trellis]

The game wouldn't be using those 3D shapes while rendering; you're referring to the editor that uses the 3D shapes to determine a depth texture used by the shader

I don't disagree that it might as well be 3D—like I said, from a player perspective, it basically is—just trying to clear up the confusion (as best as I can, anyway; I'm a software dev, not a game dev)

[gusty cradle]

Yes that's the same thing lol

In game the tiles won't be 3D but the depth map is made via 3D objects

[timber trellis]

It's certainly not the same thing on a technical level

[gusty cradle]

Considering the camera doesn't move you sort of end up with 3D shapes

[timber trellis]

"3D object placed on top of a sprite" != depth texture. I don't mean to be argumentative here & I apologize if that's how this comes across, just saying that's not accurate

[gusty cradle]

Tbf would still require the same thing at the end: remaking every tiles as 3D shapes

Not entirely with the method they describe but you still have to go through every tiles

[timber trellis]

Significantly less work than actually creating 3D models for all of the tiles, though, which is what I believe was being suggested by Ahlat

[gusty cradle]

yeah like I said still easier

[wise cosmos]

Moving on, does anyone know where in LV this is?

[frigid ore]

Next to that giant police station

[peak wraith]

I have never been to Louisville yet

[velvet kettle]

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[timid trellis]

I think this is actually a great idea

I always found it obtuse that you had to basically strip down to pick up large furniture

i get it that you dont want people slinging around fridges and stoves but the caveat for it felt a little much

[peak wraith]

its weird having to pickup 2 separate furniture items to place them to another location

[crystal gyro]

Hard to make butter if your cattle are dead.

[orchid pond]

Dairy cow vs beef cow maybe?

They do have a whole genetics system going on

[verbal sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-rigby-disgust-disgusted-monyetguru-gif-27024755

[mellow panther]

guys B42 will come out next month right?

[orchid pond]

Maybe 👀

If it is ready.

[frigid ore]

B42 out tomorrow 🗣️

[velvet kettle]

I'm gonna guess July 9 around 9 AM

[verbal sorrel]

Haha

Ya !!!! Get your sparklers ready

[sick kindle]

i asked that like a year ago

[hard wolf]

iluv u

[mellow panther]

[thorny raptor]

[bold elbow]

[velvet kettle]

[opaque obsidian]

0.0
7.................

[winter crag]

I can't wait until we get NPCs for me to not be able to make direct eye contact with.

[wooden spoke]

The roadmap means they are 50% done with 42 right?

[timber trellis]

The roadmap doesn't reflect current progress on the build

[wise cosmos]

Man. Just imagine not needing to build stairs any more just to get roof access to rain collectors.

[crystal gyro]

I feel at this point they wouldn't bother updating the roadmap this close to unstable. They're probably just gonna release 42 and won't change the map till they are done polishing it.

[wise cosmos]

Anyway, guys. Do you think my idea of pushing/pulling furniture could be viable to implement in-game?

[verbal sorrel]

would be cool ok but when can we stack carboard boxes and make box fort maze

[thorny raptor]

if the NPC is a woman, even harder

[proud tartan]

the roadmap offers next to no actual information on build progress. Fun to look at, nothing more

[proud tartan]

they did it once a WHILE back, not a big focus for them though

[proud tartan]

that is a highly technical question none of us are even close to being qualified to answer

[deep marsh]

Don't think of the roadmap as a realtime indicator of build completion, just think of it as a marker showing what "era" of development they're currently working on.

If they updated the roadmap more often, people would use that to project their expectations even more than they already do.

Imagine they updated it and the B42 bar was almost completely filled in-- any form of "restraint" the people repeatedly shouting that they need the game currently have would be completely undone and they'd be flooded across their social media with even more posts of "JUST RELEASE IT NOW!"

Good things come to those who wait

[wooden spoke]

alright

because

and this is the one the bot shows

im ok i can wait i was just asking

[proud tartan]

Obviously it gets updates. It's just that the updates come so rarely and they're usually only giving info we've known about for months. A neat graphic, useless for any actual information

[timber trellis]

It was updated once & it led to confusion about whether it was a live update tracker (it is not)

[wooden spoke]

alright, thanks

they should clarify that because i got confused

[orchid pond]

[velvet kettle]

[deep marsh]

I know it all develops over time, but I'd love to hear if there's any rough plans for what future builds might be based around. 39 was Vehicles, 40 was Weather, 41 was Animation Overhaul, 42 is Expanded Crafting & Balance-- curious whether there's an overview for what each would be, or if that's determined per release based on what major elements they're working on at the time.

[wooden spoke]

[orchid pond]

The B41 animations were first talked about in dev blogs around 2015, The Indie Stone is all about planning ahead

[proud tartan]

It's called a "Roadmap" after all, not a progress tracker

[proud tartan]

There's a list out there somewhere, I think the wiki has it.

[orchid pond]

Apparently this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Upcoming_versions

[velvet kettle]

[silver urchin]

further builds are making the game peak if you ask meh

[weak crest]

Wonder what they'll focus on down the line though, after NPCs are fully added and polished

Maybe a vehicle overhaul could come

[broken stone]

imo a vehicle overhaul would probably come at the same time as the NPC build

on the assumption NPCs will also be able to drive

in which case we can probably crash into them

and with the current physics engine, its the kentucky space program

[weak crest]

Likely yeah

A honse would be both an NPC and a vehicle 😎

[sick kindle]

so in like 5 years?

why would you want to overhaul vehicles?

they work fine

[weak crest]

I love getting bit through an open door that appears closed

There's likely things they plan to add, like rolling down and up windows, adding a visual interior, and such

But yeah we already have pretty ok vehicles

Maybe stuff like trucks, RVs, buses, and so on we see in vehicle mods like KI5, tuning atelier and such

[peak wraith]

just hope if hostile NPC in cars dont use rubberbanding.

[strange mirage]

I can’t wait to get run over by a random npc

[velvet pewter]

remember to look both ways before you cross the road

[peak wraith]

waking up to finding a raider at the door step of your base

[proud tartan]

That'll happen far before npcs get to stage 2 even

[peak wraith]

having animated car doors opening.

if car hoods were left open it could affect the vision of the player

leaving car trunk open causing some items to fall out.

[timid trellis]

• Reworked durability behavior. Right now nothing really matters to be in top shape except the engine and trunk. Also, I’d like for engines to stop stalling at nearly max durability.
• New ways to manipulate car parts and maintain the vehicle to mirror the complexity of the new crafting system. For example, maintaining oil and other fluids.
• Animated doors and modelled interiors; there exists a driving player animation.
• Ability to make modifications to cars, from car-culture all the way to apocalypse-themed.

These are some things I’d like to see, and I think they’re things that seem in tune with other aspects of Zomboid

[peak wraith]

I remember this car armor blog post

I wonder how the front wheels will turn with metal covering it.

[timid trellis]

Yeah that design would block steering, you’d have to flare them out to make room

[velvet pewter]

that last one is the biggest to me, would probably give more reasons to level up welding (outside of the new weapons coming) and is definitely logical to do in a zombie apocalypse

[velvet pewter]

I wonder how awful acceleration would be with all that shit tacked on lol

[umbral lagoon]

bad but not SO bad

[peak wraith]

I think armor would make the car slower and use up more fuel

[proud tartan]

As cool as the corrugated metal is, I really hope we can just make metal plate armor

[peak wraith]

hopefully some recipe magazines would be added for this

[crystal gyro]

Damn, I love the armored front. I just wanna mow down zeds

Some ragdoll physics would be hilarious

[peak wraith]

I remember when this car released but they never added a spare tire rack for the dash rancher.

[velvet pewter]

it should but i think gas usage in current zomboid is fixed depending on engine quality, not RPMs

they'll need to revamp that

[timid trellis]

Ragdoll physics seem antithetical to Zomboid’s morbid tone

[peak wraith]

push bar for pickup trucks

[proud tartan]

it's rpms

[peak wraith]

snow plow for a pickup truck to ram some zombies.

[velvet pewter]

its not because I remember sunday driver not giving any benefits to fuel consumption, so it cant be rpm based if thats true

[peak wraith]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/23676-simple-vehicle-accessories/#comment-269436 I remember this thread

[velvet pewter]

i watched the retanaru video forever ago so i could be misremembering, but he covers it in whichever one is about sunday driver/speed demon

[verbal sorrel]

best car ever

[peak wraith]

spare tire on back of truck its good to have extra tires in case of a flat.

jerry can racks for cars its good to kit up our cars other than just armor

put a truck bed shell to protect cargo from getting stolen or falling out lol

[velvet kettle]

might as well hand the NPCs your jerry cans haha

[crystal gyro]

Can't wait for the drunken masters zomboid challenge. Character has to always be in some form of inebriated the whole playthrough.

[wise cosmos]

Must survive x days with x in-game hours awake and intoxicated.

[crystal gyro]

Bonus points for both the character and player being drunk.

[wise cosmos]

Liver: ☠️

[orchid pond]

We have actually already seen NPCs drive in a video posted on the dev blog. https://youtu.be/QMTsmVoLO7g?si=6iz6ByexiM5nvTmq

[orchid pond]

Can read about it here I believe https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/03/the-zuckerverse/

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[velvet kettle]

Stop right there! Don't you say it!

you know it doesn't move

[marble vortex]

BUT MOVED!!!

[crystal gyro]

God I can't wait for them to finally show us the NPC cooking they've been doing!
I think they mentioned there's at least one person focusing on that. But I wouldn't be surprised if they switched over to b42 completely for the time being.

[marble vortex]

Last month was in this red line!

[velvet kettle]

bro

[pine wagon]

Defs huffing that copium. It has been in line with the end of the "e" in "balance" for far longer than 1 month

[proud tartan]

If an npc has access to your jerry cans, they have access to your car. Big no no either way

[proud tartan]

That is not a live progress tracker. it is an abstract road map intended only to give you a vague picture of what is going on

If you NEED proof,

that was 2 months ago

[marble vortex]

Certainly it's a modified print!

[proud tartan]

you can certainly look it up yourself, just search roadmap in this server's search bar

[woeful grail]

this is so cool

I cant wait to play build 43 with my kids

and build 42 when in a couple years

jokes, take yer time

[orchid pond]

Well Lemmy has been working on NPC stuff in the background since 2014. Obviously not all of it will be used and there is probably a ton of recoding to be done, ect ect ect. There is probably more than just Lemmy working on them at this point I'd imagine.

[misty sigil]

you are too optimistic, build 43 will be our legacy

I am gonna go into cryogenic sleep, wake me up when build 43 drop

[tawdry rapids]

oh my god it's moving!

[willow geode]

Proof it's moving after all

[hard wolf]

who is getting paid to move it

[velvet pewter]

they move it forward and everytime right before someone types roadmap they move it back

[winter crag]

Catch me measuring the pixels

There's atleast one

[nova palm]

Take your time too, no need to rush having kids!

[verbal sorrel]

Lol

[mental belfry]

You should see where it was at when that command first became a thing a year ago

[proud tartan]

originally there was no purple

[willow geode]

That command was a thing much longer before that, akshully 🤓

[willow geode]

Akshully, there was

[mental belfry]

Unfortunately, im not purple.
|| Im blue ||

[proud tartan]

I don't mean behind B42 you goober

[willow geode]

I dunno, you took an obvious joke seriously already, so what's one more

😏

[mental belfry]

Errrrmmm your mum

[timber trellis]

The power this image has over me

[silver urchin]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[silver urchin]

build 43 ain't even a major step in the roadmap

this ain't going to be a 2027 thing

[velvet kettle]

don't mean to be a party pooper, but the roadmap could change at any point and idt it's to scale or something so that short distance might not equate to a short period of time. Nothing is "set in [the indie] stone" but I do hope the rest of builds don't have long time intervals between them

[velvet pewter]

b43 is supposed our first foray into human npcs, so Itll likely be a pretty long dev time. especially since theyre gonna have to rework the placeholder animal ai

[thin bolt]

Build 48. They will finally add the polish

[velvet kettle]

[proud tartan]

not really, they've had a dedicated Human NPC team working on them since 42 started production

[timber trellis]

Not to mention the core code they've mentioned in blogs a few times (which needed reworking, but still)

There's a post from all the way back in 2014, I think it was, with a bit of info about how they'll work

[peak wraith]

I hope for some dangerous wildlife to hunt so living in the woods can be more dangerous.

perhaps over time animals will move into abandoned buildings.

[timber trellis]

I wish for pets

[wise cosmos]

You know mods for it will drop once B42 hits IWBUMS

[timber trellis]

Of course

I wish for base game pets nonetheless

[wise cosmos]

They're probably coming with B43. We're gonna need our pets to have personality AI.

[timber trellis]

I doubt they'll be in b43 personally

I'd bet on one of the later phases. This is all guesswork anyway ofc but I'd assume they'll focus on human NPCs first

I'd be happy to be wrong though

[bold elbow]

b43 2027 confirmed

[frigid ore]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-dog-zomboid-suspicious-gif-10712400350108666363

Why do you want pets if we already have this?

[rustic vault]

I know lemmy said they would be in b43, but I dont want to go through his thing again to find it.

[deep marsh]

I just want to take a second to appreciate zombies don't run on all fours yet.

[verbal sorrel]

Please dont lol, i still

[velvet kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/project-zomboid-horse-gif-10664029143539029928

Why do you want horses if we already have this?

[woeful grail]

i know whats wrong

it don't got no gas in it

[fleet harness]

litrly

[peak wraith]

needing a key to start a horse

honk the horn for horse hearing its neigh sound.

[raven perch]

“As a prototype, and most its likely first application in B42 once the Unstable beta is underway, [...]”

Does that mean the Build 42 Unstable release is near?

[velvet pewter]

Ill believe it when I see it. I doubt itll take as long as B41 or B42 but integrating the NPC branch into the modern zomboid branch will be a pretty intensive process from what they've said. Hence the whole reason animals came separately for crafting with an interim AI.

[proud tartan]

animals were released separately because they are integral to crafting

[velvet pewter]

Yeah, but they couldn't be put on the NPC base because of how much work integrating that will entail per the boid

they got interim AI instead for crafting

[velvet kettle]

no one can say fs how near, but def this year as they've mentioned

if you're taking guesses, I'd say July 9

[raven perch]

I think it's very probable. Since it's a proper release date for most games.

[toxic onyx]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[proud tartan]

official estimates have it by end of this year, unofficial estimates have it before july

[velvet kettle]

the unofficial estimate of first half of the year is unrealistic tho. Those extra nine days so that it's released July 9 will make a drastic difference

[verbal sorrel]

Lmao ghost pls

[proud tartan]

If they end up finishing it really close to then, 'td be pretty funny if they released it on the 9th.

[velvet kettle]

and right at 9 AM

[dusty spire]

IS 42 OUT YET?

goes back to sleep

[forest grove]

I have a bottle of wine ready to crack open when beta 42 releases

[bold elbow]

@willow geode the NPCs will respawn in surrounding areas like in GTA and disappear if you are far far away or will it be a finite number in map and will die over time

[sick kindle]

good choice. wine doesn’t go bad that fast
just store it well and maybe it will hold til the update

[thin bolt]

I think there's plenty of whine around here for b42 release

[winter crag]

👑 You dropped this

[thin bolt]

Nah this is my hat

[vague crag]

is the roadmap wide enough to drive a car down it?

if not then i have some big health and safety concerns

i work for the government and will get this road map shut down if it does not follow highway regulations

[thin bolt]

I work for the government too and I'll just happen to lose your request

[sick kindle]

i wonder why…

[velvet pewter]

its because you can make wine in game in b42

[thin bolt]

That'll be fun

I want to make my own vinegar to do some preservation

[velvet pewter]

same
I hope they also add alot of options for different types of wine though, and distilling too

I dont remember grape vines being listed in the new crops but hopefully they can exist, I wanna make brandy

although that also begs the question, is there any crops that will be persistent after harvesting? unlike root vegetables its not like you destroy grape vines by harvesting them

[proud tartan]

they'll spawn on the map's edge as people entering the region

[proud tartan]

yes

like strawberries

[velvet pewter]

ah, okay that makes sense. Ive never actually grown them in b41 because theyre such a waste of effort lol

should be able to make strawberry wine in b42 though, so maybe itll be worth it

[velvet kettle]

should be able to make mushroom alcoholic beverages too

and others like jalapeño, avocado, and pumpkin wine

[winter crag]

Stardew Valley, but with zombies lmfao

Gonna make platinum quality bathtub gin before I get depressed and start eating books

Grandpa passed away and left me his farm, but also I had to put him down again to keep him from busting up my windows.

Everyone's showing up to the festivals with M16s and trench clubs.

NPCs come out and there's a little dating sim where if you give them gifts, they hate you slightly less

I'm expecting NPCs to be either trivial, or absolute PvE monsters.

[velvet kettle]

lol if you give them things they don't like or you mess up a task they sent you to do, there'll be a bounty on you

[wise cosmos]

I hope we at least get a mod that lets us craft jenkem

[peak wraith]

lol

[velvet pewter]

I hope they add fruit trees eventually, would be neat if there was like an orchard or randomly generated fruit trees in the forests

[velvet kettle]

can’t believe that’s a thing or if there's something similar to it

[thin bolt]

How would the balance of those work

Excuse me

How would the balance of trees work 🤔

[peak wraith]

foraging for wild fruit trees

being able to grow a fruit tree for more food production

[thin bolt]

Yes but how would that work

Like once a year they bear fruit?

[velvet pewter]

yeah, probably

theres alot of different fruit tree seasons so itd depend on the species

even just apples vary in fruiting time, some are like july and some go all the way to November

not sure wild apples are something realistic though, but at least in my home state of VA I know of a few wild black cherry trees and black mulberry trees that fruit around june-july

[hard wolf]

why dont zombies bhop to us

are they stupd?

[velvet pewter]

I definitely support adding this but practically only randomly spawned fruit trees would be viable for the average player because of timespans required for them to grow and fruit

[peak wraith]

if mushrooms could spawn growing on trees that would be nice to have for foraging.

[orchid pond]

They want worlds to go on for a long time, so I could see it being a thing in the future

[hard wolf]

The apple tree takes 6 years under good conditions to grow

[timber trellis]

Good

I'd want it to be at least somewhat realistic, esp since iirc they're changing crop times to be a bit more realistic

[velvet pewter]

Huh i thought it was like 10-20, i think the math still works out to be like 5000 irl hours to grow

with 6 years

again, i dont oppose that but i dont consider that practicle

(for the average player and server)

[timber trellis]

Ultimately mods will exist to both shorten and lengthen times—for crops, generally—if the sandbox options aren't sufficient

[hard wolf]

the longest server i ever played on was 7 months irl

22 yers ingame

[velvet pewter]

my math must be bad then, someone needs to do it 4 me cause im fried from work

[timber trellis]

It depends on the sandbox setting for day length

[velvet pewter]

yeah but i am talking about the default, which is 10 in game mins = 1 min irl iirc

[timber trellis]

The default is 1 irl hour per ingame day

[peak wraith]

having wild apple trees that naturally spawn

[weak crest]

Apple trees would be nice

Though maybe not the most ideal food source, growing one yourself and watching it grow as you play and start bearing fruits like a year or so later would be cool

[peak wraith]

growing some berry bushes like blue berries or black berries

[glass viper]

Aren't all wild apples tiny and sour? Afaik, apples have to be grafted in order to produce a sweet fruit.

[orchid pond]

they can add grafting

we are already seeing genetics in animals, why not veggies and trees!

I wanna make super cold resistant telecorn

[strange mirage]

Honestly a simple genetics system like RUST could be a lot of fun

Just like 6 simple genes you mix and match

[velvet kettle]

I agree. Perhaps they can make it so apple and other fruit trees don’t start growing when we initiate the game but more so that they have already been growing for 3 or 4 years (assuming a 6 year growth period for apple trees but could be adjusted if growth time is longer) when we spawn instead so we wouldn’t have to wait as long. For balancing, maybe they can only be picked once every season (depending on the fruit) unless they add a system for tree maintenance such as pruning, water, soiling, and idk what else but it would be pretty time-consuming

and if my math is right then 365 irl hours = 15 irl days = 0.5 irl months = 1 in-game year therefore if apple trees took 6 in-game years to grow, that means three months irl so 10 years in-game = five months irl and 20 years in-game = 10 months irl

[proud tartan]

Mulberries you say...

[proud tartan]

current idea is that servers will never have to reset, so having year growing trees would work, not to mention you could uproot an already grown (small) tree and replant it to fully grow where you want it in less time

[timber trellis]

What about existing grafted apple trees

Like, someone realistically would've had an apple tree growing in their backyard. Multiple someones

[crystal gyro]

I was thinking if you forage around the orchard you can find fruit if it's the right season for the tree.

[timid trellis]

Yes, definitely

There would be all sorts of personal or commercial crops like that

It’s not uncommon for people to grow their own herbs, too

[pine wagon]

More common now than in the 90s but, probably not unheard of

Unless we are talking a specific type of herb 😏

[timid trellis]

But I don’t think, for vanilla, growing fruit trees is something that would be worth implementing

It would take far too long to grow at a realistic pace and shortening the pace might make it feel out of place

I suppose there’s no real reason to disallow people from having six year long crops, but it’s something almost nobody is going to experience legitimately

[orchid pond]

I mean they are implementing a crafting system where a big part of it won't be seen by most people

[timid trellis]

But having already matured fruit trees and such would be a cool way to allow players to access unique foods, and their scarcity would make them extremely sacred

[thin bolt]

With fruit the only thing is you gotta make it worth it

Also planting apple seeds irl would only give you crabapples

So either you don't implement it or do something

But just depends how complex they wanna go

[wise cosmos]

Lol. It actually doesn't exist. The whole jenkem thing was a hoax some kids set up that too many adults fell for.

[velvet kettle]

[velvet kettle]

still my reaction:

[velvet pewter]

they should add it and just make it kill you

[velvet kettle]

I’m sure there’ll be bleach + alcohol mixtures at least

and with plans to add rat poison and animal poop. Well.. who knows what concoctions we’ll get

[deep marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/potion-making-gif-13231217

[balmy mango]

it's a fun trip go when you're ready

[toxic onyx]

PZ is secretly a road trip game

who even needs a base when you have a fully fuelled station wagon, some modded cassettes, and a tent in the trunk

[velvet kettle]

might be more so a fishing and farming game soon

[orchid pond]

Already is 😁

Just more so

I suppose

[velvet kettle]

I mean with even more crops and the new fishing minigame in B42, I’ll definitely be forgetting zombies exist for some time

[toxic onyx]

THIS IS HOW YOU DIED

[velvet kettle]

yeah fr. Might even confuse a zombie for an NPC and try to hand them a fishing rod rather than bashing their head in

even if that happens, I’ll just transform into

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/0/0f/Fisherman_Zombie.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20170505202639

[toxic onyx]

lol

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

I NEED IT SO BAD

[toxic onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-dry-thirsty-sweating-gif-9164684

[frigid ore]

Where's May's thursdoid?

[orchid pond]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEojUMO29b8

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[toxic onyx]

in 29 days, most likely

[velvet kettle]

we are all waiting for TIS to be like

[gusty cradle]

That's actually pretty cool

[sick kindle]

it will never come out because they just keep adding shit in

[wise cosmos]

Some of the more recent stuff will likely not come in B42 at IWBUMS release.

[sick kindle]

then stop working on it and release the damn build

[timber trellis]

There is a 0% chance that their dev cycle works like "we're ready to release today! oh but we could um we could add sheep 🥺"

[tepid fractal]

yeah like vehcle physics on other floors and many animals

i doubt we’d see lots of animals on first release

but as i say often i believe the more animals they add the easier and faster it’ll be to make more

since they’ll have morr framework to go off of as time goes

[gusty cradle]

They already said that anything they show in the blogs is something that was meant to be worked on for b42 and is nothing added at the last minute. And if you've ever worked on a project and planned stuff you know that any competent work on a project works by planning stuff

So while there is most likely 1 or 2 things of them exploring possible stuff, there's a high chance mlst of the features were planned for a while

I myself have a planning of features I want to work on for my mods

[winter crag]

Smdh, you can't lie about this. Everyone knows that next thursoid will only be about sheep and also like 20 pages long.

[verbal sorrel]

Lol

"We"

[peak wraith]

lol

[proud tartan]

They've spoken on this front MANY times over the past year, it's a non issue

[proud tartan]

I mean there are a few things they were looking into just to look into, and realized they were way easier to implement than they at first thought. Like basements

[gusty cradle]

Of course, and that's normal

[minor moss]

lets be real

if next thursdoid has no release date

i'll uninstall pz until release date

[frigid ore]

There won't be a release date

[hard wolf]

uninstall it now.

there is no release date

[frigid ore]

No B42 release date. Billions must refund

[orchid pond]

It is ready when it's ready

[velvet kettle]

[willow geode]

Uninstall it now, there won't be

We've never put a release date in at any point, we're not starting to

[crystal gyro]

*Me when the new amputation system drops

[final dew]

Um, is there anything about powerplants and networking in b42? Also should emergency buildings have their own power generator built in that could be operating without a portable generator? Like hospitals should have their own power plant kicks in and provide extra couple days when lost of power. Instead of falling with the others.

[proud tartan]

you KNOW they don't do that, we say it everytime someone asks and yet people still expect thursdoids to have release dates

[velvet kettle]

thanks

[velvet kettle]

I really doubt they’ve mentioned power plants in vanilla, but they’ve mentioned localized power outages in a blog a while back (2018). Not sure if or when we’ll see that

[verbal sorrel]

wouldnt it take a lot od knowledge and people to maintain something like that?

[final dew]

Actually not really, most emergency power supply used for buildings were modular and pretty much just a diesel engine with a battery, most of them can be maintained by just one person who had a instruction manual, usually on site. I would say a level 6 mechanical skill with a level 6 electronic skill would be sufficient for doing complete overhaul on them.

Basically just a car with extra electronic parts.

[peak wraith]

animals in build 42 will make living isolated feel more enjoyable and not boring.

[toxic onyx]

honestly this would be cool if only for the puzzle solving aspect in getting a building fixed up post-outage. Having to find a specific key to open a generator room is perfect for a horror experience à la silent hill

might work well with the key spawning improvements so you actually have to rummage through specific employee lockers and stuff

[final dew]

That sounds great, but maybe also could be lock picking without the key.

[toxic onyx]

absolutely

[thorny otter]

Will we be able to pick up chickens with our hands?

[timber trellis]

No, only with your feet

[tepid fractal]

i do hope they either add emergency generators and backup lights for when power goes out in the base game or a mod adds it eventually

[velvet pewter]

I would be surprised if some of the basements that aren't randomized didn't have guaranteed generators. Something like a hospital basement

[graceful cosmos]

I have to say - I'm a software engineer - not game development, but I understand tech. I am a lurker, I come here every couple weeks to see where the devs are at. I just wanna give the devs a shout out here, I see tons of complaints that the devs are flaky or inconsistent, across the discussions for all the updates. but the fact of the matter is, they have been consistently honest about how long these things will take and never provide incorrect estimates even when the fanbase would love to hear a guess, let alone being unrealistic about release dates and delaying. People that think these devs are inconsistent are not ever getting their hands dirty and making games themselves. These are some of the most trustworthy and consistent devs of any EA game I play. It is unreal to me when the devs give a cursory and unofficial estimate and some people latch onto it like it is a promise. You guys are the reason we don't get more detail!

Thank you so much, this is one of my favorite games and I am so excited to see what y'all put out next. I'm excited, too, to hear that you guys have enjoyed some success and were able to expand the team! Really looking forward to whatever you're able to release this year and I hope everyone can be a bit more appreciative and a bit less negative!

oh, and these updates are my favorite dev updates; the only ones that even remotely compare are the CK3 devs and the Factorio devs. Thank you again for providing all the intel you provide :)

[forest grove]

didnt they show it in a video, a while ago or am I misremembering 🤔

[forest grove]

so true, especially after the fantastic b41, devs deserve more credit than we give them 🙏🏻 they have shown they can and got rewarded for the hard work (the game got tons of new sales, broke player records and allowed them to hire multiple more devs)

[young karma]

this convo was very confusing when i didnt realize thursdoid release date did not mean the release of thursdoids

theyre still on a "last thursday of the month" schedule or someth right

[peak wraith]

if hospitals in PZ had backup generators since they do IRL

[orchid pond]

Yes, still last Thursday of the month.

[pine wagon]

Even shopping centres. Though thats entirely based on Dawn of the Dead and zero real world knowledge lol

[velvet kettle]

likely along with that one research center in LV, wealthy family homes, and communication stations

[timid trellis]

Residential backup generators aren’t that common, you’d be unlikely to find one in the 90s even among the wealthy

You have to really really want one

[final dew]

I know that collages and high schools back in the era would have one, back then they were used for emergency gathering spots, also police station should also had a 24 hours back up power supply as in case of emergency, but there were no proof if LVPD headquarters had been up to standards. LVFD had two pumptrucks with mobile generator modules back in the 90s though, not sure if they are still in service, can't find records of them pass 96.

Also according to some documents I had stumbled across, the water treatment plant at the west of Louisville should have a small steam turbine powerplant built in with a 60kW capabilities but it was more like 1960s/70s records, probably was disabled and demolished since.

Though the water treatment plant buildings was never existed in PZ, its location was replaced by a patch of forest

[gusty cradle]

there's still chances for it to be added in anyway tho

[tepid fractal]

we already know some of the randomized basements can spawn prepper basements

so a backup generator in prepper basements doesnt sound too far fetched

[timid trellis]

Oh I was moreso talking entire dedicated generator units

[tepid fractal]

speaking of generators inside, would be nice if we could get one of those pipe things that moves the carbon dioxide from the generators thru the pipes and outside

[timid trellis]

Like the real deal stuff

But having a regular portable gas generator lying around not hooked up isn’t that weird

[proud tartan]

not really a thing in the us outside of a few VERY rare exceptions

[proud tartan]

nah, most people just store them for when they need them. kinda the point of it being portable

[hearty osprey]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[tepid fractal]

yeah they’d be rare ingame also but maybe just some in the unrandomized basements, maybe one in the st penegrin hospital and military base at least

would be nice to have larger generators that’re like 4 tiles wide rather than only the one tile ones

[crystal gyro]

Wow, so thursdoids are actually good for my mental health!

[peak wraith]

thursdoids save lives

[final dew]

So you mean shock and awe tactics should be use in PZO?

[peak wraith]

dead rising 2 spiked bat in PZ be like

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[peak wraith]

any month from now we could see build 42.

[wise cosmos]

Maybe within the next four weeks, maybe within the next 8 weeks. Maybe even the next 9 weeks.
But any further than that, and I'll be a little sad.

[peak wraith]

almost past the first half of 2024

[orchid pond]

[glass viper]

Oh yeah, it's coming. Any day now. I can feel it.

[radiant eagle]

plot twist: first half of 2024 by the new calendar (since the development began)

[glass viper]

So if I understood correctly, the reason b42 took so long is because they were rewriting a huge chunk of the engine, and the following builds won't take as long?

[pale veldt]

mmmmaybe

[rustic vault]

Yeah, as long as they dont need to go in and do another massive engine upgrade things should hopefully be faster. Tbh im not sure what else they could do that could warrant that.

[wooden spoke]

These guys are very talented

[hearty osprey]

So talented and cool, even when all their game data was stolen

That was the reason, when B41 was coming

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[orchid pond]

That was in 2011, not when B41 was coming.

set them back about a month or two at the time

[velvet kettle]

idk how drastic it was, but I’m glad that that event did not prevent them from further developing PZ

[orchid pond]

at the time it was pretty awful, we thought it was going to be abandoned

and it was in a time before consistant devblogs so we basically got a post explaining what happened and then we just waited

actually think it was one of the things to help push that eventual consistency going forward

[hearty osprey]

Did they actually say B42 release day or release period ?

[orchid pond]

When it's ready. Twitter post said sometime this year. Lemmy lead dev said on reddit (5 months ago) he hopes first half of 2024

[willow geode]

You got your stuff mixed up. There's almost a decade between those two events

[orchid pond]

😆

[velvet kettle]

"it led to a great deal of trauma and depression for the team"

[orchid pond]

100%

That whole video is great

I haven't watched it in many years

[velvet kettle]

what a wonderful presentation

[toxic onyx]

So the first half of 2024 for unstable thing isn't true anymore? Or was never considered?

Want to know so i can come back in 6 months when the update drops lol

[forest grove]

unstable is supposed to drop first half of this year, and by end of the year, its supposed to be full release (tell me if im wrong)

[toxic onyx]

is that confirmed officialy or just that dev who said that in Reddit?

I mean i'm done reading Monthdoid and just want to play the game so i will come back when it launches

even with it's unstable

[timber trellis]

A dev said first half of 2024 on Reddit, not confirmed officially. 2024 was announced on Twitter/X, which is considered official

So we know it's coming this year & the unstable may be in the first half

[toxic onyx]

First half is almost done so with they want to release it they should be quicker but with they don't i would be disappointed but will wait for the release

[timber trellis]

Disappointment would be totally fair if it doesn't come in the first half, considering the unofficial post. Just gotta make sure to be civil about expressing that feeling, if you choose to express it at all

The devs are people & things happen, so ultimately something said months ago could turn out to be untrue. Unfortunate if so, but it is what it is

[patent parcel]

Love the corpse dragging animations! Would be awesome to have animations for pushing/pulling furniture too.

[proud tartan]

they don't "want" to release it first half, that's just when they're thinking it may

[crystal gyro]

Plot twist, it's been out for a week but none of you checked the beta.

[graceful cosmos]

New question, how many times this year has the only lord asked exactly when its coming out and received exactly the same response

[sick kindle]

i can't count that high

[mellow panther]

I just KNOW B42 is coming out this month

[glass viper]

Technically... Whole game is in beta.

[hoary slate]

It would be funny to experiment, how many beta layers deep can we go?

[deep marsh]

Yeah, that was pretty rough. The fact that they persevered after that really instilled confidence that they truly wanted to see their vision through to "make the game they always wanted to play".

Kinda gives me the warm and fuzzies to see how far we've come 🙂

[deep marsh]

...so you won't be in the Thursdoid comments complaining about the wait?

[orchid pond]

I had already fallen in love with the game by that point; but their fighting to keep it alive was one of the things that instilled the "these are one of the good ones" for me. Especially in the years to come where we saw so many early access games get abandoned.

[thin bolt]

and other lies you can keep telling yourself

[velvet kettle]

lol

[toxic onyx]

Was that supposed to be funny? I don't think it is for real. For me now is just i want to hear when it's coming. I don't care about reading these blogs anymore just want to play next update

[verbal sorrel]

[velvet kettle]

Puppers reaction

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[velvet kettle]

[graceful cosmos]

I think they're wondering why you regularly comment in the Thursdoid comments, saying you dont care about the blog... we are in this thread to discuss the blog post. thats what it is for

[glass viper]

!rodemap

It's done guys. Kappa

[graceful cosmos]

OMG

AMAZE

[glass viper]

[velvet kettle]

[graceful cosmos]

I heard the ultra rich have had b42 for years already

[graceful cosmos]

LMAOOOO

[final dew]

Wait wait wait wait wait............B42?

[sick kindle]

i kinda got used to waiting ngl

i can wait 2 more years but after that i will be pissed

[toxic onyx]

REALLY?? IS IT REAL??

Also guys what would you think of my partial vision and visual sound feedback suggestions posted on 4th of February by OzanFlnn in the forum page? @timber trellis @wise cosmos Sorry for the ping, I think you'd have an idea about mechanics of the game so I wanted to share.

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/192-commonly-suggested-suggestions/page/28/

My grammar might be weird but ask me about the parts you don't understand. But I'd be really happy if you considered my idea for real

Project Zomboid would be just peak at visual mechanics

For soundwaves feedback, you can imagine silent steps' visual feedbacks like a radiating circle that is actually hard to see. Just like rain drops on terrain, it will be even harder to notice during rain. It'll be even cooler when rain is not updated/seen outside of your sight cone but you see the visual sound feedbacks of them form an exact shape raindrop makes when it hits the ground.

Sound physics might work well with visual sound feedbacks too. Like bouncing soundwaves. Once chosen an effect that does not bother the screen much, its fine.

But partial view with strict vision updates and memorisation system will just be the greatest things ever to happen to project zomboid imo.

They just require visual effects, categorization (items), formula.

Visual sound feedbacks might be more complicated due to how sound physics interact with environment and how visual soundwaves will have to change just accordingly, sources of soundwaves, maybe partial soundwave hearing etc..

But an inner sound of mine says that it could all just be simple statistics of basic properties, screen visual effects, counting numbers with a rule and a little complicated scripting without having to interfere into the game too much, and it would be near real life experience.

The best part of it is that it'll be more like an addition as light as a calculator working yet completely be a game mechanic

It should NOT be client-side customizable imo. It should only be changed with server-side configurations.

[toxic onyx]

Everything aside, I hope doors actually physically touch characters and we be able to seperately open, lock-unlock doors as prompt and push them with our characters

[glass viper]

My guy, this avatar is a war crime. Please reconsider.

[hard wolf]

its just a transparent png

[timber trellis]

First: see the follow-up conversation. Probably not 3D in the same sense as placed items, cars, and players. Also, I believe the blog called out that partial opening and closing would be something potentially for later (uncertain, worth checking the blog)

[timber trellis]

The vision changes sound neat. Unsure about the value of the “memorizing” bit. The “no client-side choice” of the visualized sounds seems... not ideal. There should at least be a way to toggle off, if not on, because personally the feature sounds like it'd be annoying & I'd want a way to turn it off

The mod for visual sound indicators has a per-player way to turn them off in multiplayer, for example, which I know because I turned it off ASAP when playing in a server using it. I see the value, but for me it's super distracting. More processing of information means more difficulty reacting to the sound, for me

[toxic onyx]

Memorisation values are like..
Yeah, there are problems with values like neverending stacking of fixed total time stacked, I completely forgot about that lmao. But either way, it's just about some equation. No need to instantly reset to %100 memorisation just by looking, memory stuff could be acceleration based, and total fixed time could also decay but slower.

[timber trellis]

Ah, I meant "value as a feature"

"Purpose", I suppose. As in, I'm content with how it is currently

[toxic onyx]

For Sound Visuals, turning them off would completely be a disadvantage due to being disconnected from sounds of world.
But do not imagine it as colorful or eye-tiring circles all around. Not that Windows cursor CTRL type thing.
Imagine it as soundwave that warps the screen in a certain frequency and thickness with very accurate settings. It won't even cover content. Imagine it as like how the air looks warped when it's too hot, f.e. the air above a fire.
Practically, a silent step will be like a raindrop, and when a really fast aircraft passes, you'd get a shockwave-ish visual effect that is accurately depicted without replacing an actual shockwave.
Near a really loud generator, you'd constantly get those soundwaves but at a rate that would only disturb you as much as it would if you heard it.
Of course, a setting to configure in-game visual volume would be good.

[toxic onyx]

I see. It's just my way of thinking, I'm not so well knowledged, there could be different ways

The main idea is that kinda thing

[timber trellis]

It would not be a disadvantage in my eyes, because I can just use my ears 😄 If that were a feature I'd immediately try to mod it out

Not saying I'd be against it, just not for me. It's a neat idea

[toxic onyx]

I think there's not a reference for how far and intense some sounds go around and all we hear are like amateur dubbing in a world where every single thing makes sound

For example I scream, but it plays a sound file. I don't have any idea on how far it went. There's no echoing mechanic too

[toxic onyx]

You're right too. It shouldn't be a necessary thing actually

But still would be functional

[toxic onyx]

I don't understand how "silent" my steps are

[graceful cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev2genBbzb4&t=3s There's even some semblance of proof!

[peak wraith]

doors in build 42 opening slower and not door flashing exploits anymore.

[winter crag]

You say the devs are trustworthy, but would you let them into your granary? I'd think not. Pat_Bren has been lurking around my corn silo and I am running low on ammunition to scare them off with.

[hard wolf]

scihzophrenic is speaking..

listen and learn 🗣️ ❌

[graceful cosmos]

Only if they were bringing the animals in exchange. I demand a fair trade market...

[winter crag]

Entirely fair.

[tepid fractal]

i just want them to make it so u can slam open doors, squeak it open

maybe make it like interactive with ur cursor??

so u can drag the door at ur own pace with the mouse?

wait

is it kentuckys or kentuckies 🤔

[peak wraith]

having a way to open a door slower to be a little more stealthy

[hard wolf]

slamming the door with your body for maximum movement throughout

[graceful cosmos]

Makes me think of opening doors in the Amnesia games

I love the immersive element of physical interactions for mundane small stuff like looting and stuff like that

[fleet harness]

Maybe you would crouch and click to open it quietly

[peak wraith]

that would make the stealth mechanic feel more useful

[fleet harness]

Yeah kinda like the way when you crouch and press q it comes out as a whisper

[velvet kettle]

lol just imagine a slight door creak attracting every zombie in the building

[graceful cosmos]

I like the idea of being able to peek

Always wished I could look thru the keyhole for zomboids like I was Nancy drew or something

[peak wraith]

if you are in a motel or hotel room they would have a hole in the door to look through to see what is on the other side

[hoary slate]

Ooo, one-way vision through certain objects. That'd be fun to see

[timber trellis]

One-way mirror, that'd be neat

[weak crest]

Would make for some interesting scenarios or uses in MP

[deep marsh]

Holy hell this is a great mod idea…

furious scribbling commences

[odd totem]

I need them husks!

[odd totem]

I think most keyholes aren't big enough unfortunately

[deep marsh]

Rule of cool, Pat. Rule of cool.

[odd totem]

Are keyholes cool

[winter crag]

[deep marsh]

Some of them, yeah.

[fleet harness]

This would be cool

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[velvet kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/it-clown-halloween-gif-6223303

[zealous gyro]

I get it’s for balance

But it is weird how something blacksmithed with crude tools would be better than like industry produced steel items

would be cool if we could utilize more of the pre apocalypse infrastructure once npcs roll out and we could create mini societies

[thin bolt]

im getting the feeling it wont be as good

based on what is being said in these blogs

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[deep marsh]

Huh. Hasn't moved in a while; must either mean that the roadmap isn't updated in real time, or the devs haven't made any progress in a long time.

[marble vortex]

They didn't make a progress?

[verbal sorrel]

stahp lol

[deep marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-smile-cute-streamer-happy-gif-17418836

[velvet pewter]

I dont think they ever mentioned where worldspawn loot would be on the scale of quality, just the scaling of all the types the player can make.

[proud tartan]

depends, making an item yourself means you can make it exactly how you want it, and unlike business made things, with maximum quality

[zealous gyro]

But the materials and the forge you will be using would be far cruder

And steel/iron quality will be down

[proud tartan]

maybe? we're going to be recycling high quality steel

[zealous gyro]

It will be contaminated…

And those impurities cause issues in the steel

[proud tartan]

with what? you're just melting it

[zealous gyro]

The dirt and the air

[proud tartan]

not like we're using open flames

the steel was made with air, and clean it

[zealous gyro]

You need a good environment to make good quality steel

🤦‍♂️

[proud tartan]

thing is, you aren't making it, just melting. the process will net FAR less impurities

[zealous gyro]

It introduces impurities…

[proud tartan]

in neglegible quantities, yes

[zealous gyro]

there’s a reason a factory is far more controlled

[proud tartan]

for making steel, not repurposing

[zealous gyro]

If you melt it it introduces a lot of things

If you are merely cutting it then that’s fine

But if you melt it there is a lot that can go wrong from temperature controls, contamination, cooling, etc

factories have tight controls for them to ensure the steel is good quality

[winter crag]

You're both making decent points, but Stealth's right. When repurposing steel, it's not gonna be as good as the original. Will it turn good steel bad? Prolly not, but quality forging takes a lot of specialized instruments that are a bit too hungry and heavy to load into a garage.

But, we also don't have to worry about no bottom line.

[proud tartan]

steel is made by blasting air, you're adding a tiny amount more, and with clean material. you have no impurities

[zealous gyro]

If you do it improperly the cooling will cause structural issues

[proud tartan]

a non issue

[zealous gyro]

It is a BIG issue

[proud tartan]

we're assuming perfect crafting

else the whole argument is mute

[zealous gyro]

wut

👀

[proud tartan]

nvm, this whole conversation is brain numbing

[winter crag]

Yeah, PZ devs prolly aren't going to get into the specifics of shit like concrete mixes or specific types of steel alloys. It's mostly skub.

[zealous gyro]

I get the balance reason for boosting player made items but realistically that wouldn’t be the case

Like in an apocalypse the best stuff will still be the places left over from the before times

Be it structures and tools

Like my instinct on my first run is to leave populated area for the farms

And was really excited to see the crop fields

Only to learn we can’t use it at all

[winter crag]

I like the idea of balancing pre-made items as more durable because it makes them feel a bit more special as a finite resource. They'd be the first items you can get, but if not properly managed you'll suffer later on when you're starting up tool crafting, before being fine once you can make solid weapons and tools.

Though, thinking on it it is made kinda redundant with skills making that happen anyways.

[zealous gyro]

they should slowly degrade over time

But the timescale of the game and like some of the difficulty in getting to that late game makes rusting a bit impractical

[winter crag]

That would give a solid incentive to pursue blacksmithing and carpentry. But yeah, hard to implement.

What weapons are y'all most excited to see?

[zealous gyro]

Tbh carpentry doesn’t really make that much sense rp wise imo

[winter crag]

Means you prolly cut yourself less.

[zealous gyro]

It feels kinda insane to just be taking apart furniture on the first few days

Like go to this house, proceeds to disassemble everything

personally I probably would just use furniture as barricades

[winter crag]

Yeah... it's not perfect. I can't really think of a better alternative, though. Disassembling furniture grants resources, so it makes sense that as time goes on you start smashing up chairs and bookcases for firewood and construction material.

[zealous gyro]

Maybe I’m over thinking things but there are definitely a few difficulties in rp

like collecting books for game mechanics reasons

Tbh I wish they would change zombie placement to be more contextual to the word and how they supposedly got infected and died

[weak crest]

I'm especially curious about how crude/blacksmithed catanas will work compared to ones that already exist pre-apocalypse

That and the machete I imagine would be the hardest weapons to manufacture yourself

[winter crag]

Def harder than putting a few nails in a bat.

[tepid osprey]

When is all of this content going to be adedd

[weak crest]

When it's ready this year

[oak willow]

I was wondering about hunting and trapping, now the rabbits will be visible right so, once u hunted them all, we have to wait them to respawn?

[forest grove]

Maybe?
Devs mentioned animals moving in herds
And tho would be :simulated: in terms of having males females, offspring.
So you could kill off an entire herd or prevent it from repopulating 🤔
I haven't read that blog post since it dropped a long time ago

[sick kindle]

i bet it won’t be as good as „old world tools” but it will be highly renewable due to material being literally everywhere
all you need is the tools and workbenches to make it and you will have a virtually infinite amount of whatever you want

only limiting thing will be your own laziness in gathering the ingredients

i wonder if we will have tanning leather

[velvet pewter]

"After that, nearby, is the tanning bucket where you soak the leather in a brain tan or bark tan. After that, the leather goes off to the drying rack you can see on the top of the screen. Leave the leather here for a nice long time, and then you’re good."

from this boid

[deep marsh]

It's a very large map, and the phrase "multiply like rabbits" doesn't refer to their aptitude for arithmetic. I'll be genuinely impressed if you manage to hunt every rabbit on vanilla settings.

[oak willow]

Was just thinking cause in the rpbserver where i play we have an hunter that every 2 days in game arrive with like 20/25 rabbits and i think is a bit unbalanced, now i convict them that in summer ,rabbit meat is kinda toxic for human but in winter is like more than 200 rabbits per month

So if there will be something like the destroyng the population will be more balanced

[woeful hearth]

Does anyone know if animals will interact with each other? Not sure if there are any predators planned yet but it would be cool if we had that as well
Imagine if you found a stray dog on your supply run and it had rabies so it decides to attack you

Additionally I wonder if zeds would interact with animals in any way, they could eat roadkill or even try and eat our livestock

[hard wolf]

zombies will not interact with animals on launch of b42

however animals can kill you.

[woeful hearth]

Thanks, do you know which ones?

[woeful hearth]

I'm sure someone will eventually mod this in

[hard wolf]

chickens.

bulls

[fleet harness]

Pat

[young karma]

zombie dogs r not gonna be a thing so im not sure why rabies dogs that attack u would be. dogs hunting chickens etc. would be cool

i could be wrong & that decision is purely for lore reasons but itd be a lot to be forced to put dogs down all the time lol

[young karma]

^ this is how you died

[bold elbow]

wild animals are so scary

[young karma]

anyone else excited for more lore. idr how that was gonna work out w the patch

[odd totem]

There'll be more lore than you can shake a sturdy stick at

[young karma]

ooh i'll have much to think abt while im getting my arm gnawed off

[deep marsh]

Looking forward to it because I grant the lore a certain degree of primacy; I believe lore isn't just important-- it's the point of the story.

[odd totem]

No it isn't, lore is awful

[deep marsh]

I might have thrown that a little too high for you to notice, sorry.

[odd totem]

Oh, thank goodness!

[young karma]

partly i want the "what are pz zombies" debates to get better but some part of me hopes - and knows this hope will be validated - that more lore means theyll get worse

but i can think of a few reasons why they go the particular way they r now beyond just like. the culture.

[odd totem]

Midichlorians

[fleet harness]

I want packs of doggies

Like the little dogs and the big dogs are running around town together

[young karma]

thanks i get to start beating ppl over the head w this now :D

[woeful hearth]

Does two characters grapple interaction mean we'll be able to see zeds grab us from the back?
Or even better I'd love zeds to be able to grab my bag so I have to let it go if I want to survive

[static spade]

Probably not in B42, but highly likely in future builds.

[woeful hearth]

Thank you
Is that Ševa on your profile photo?

[static spade]

Laki 😁

[woeful hearth]

A je stvarno

[hallow orchid]

Ooohh, new channel.

[hallow orchid]

Fan lores are sometimes incorporated into official lore, so that it can keep the community engaged more into the game. Sometimes, they can be done as ARGs.

Perhaps it can be an idea for thought?

[timber trellis]

Which fan lore do you have in mind

I can't imagine telecorn would become official lore, for example, unless it were done as a reference in a way that would make sense (like, in some in-game fictional media)

[hallow orchid]

I was thinking about a conspiracy of how the Zomboid came to be. It all started at a time before July 7, at a certain Spiffo Corp. fast food chain where a team of scientists and a secret villainous mercenary group meet together to obtain a sample of the Zomboid virus. And then somehow, a scuffle broke out, and one of the scientist took the sample and hid it in the warehouse.

Unbeknownst to a delivery person, the package containing the sample was delivered to the headquarters of Spiffo Corp., and triggered the release of the sample (and how this came to be is up to the Indie Stone devs to decide), spawning the spread of infection and zombication of the Zomboid virus.

And then, this is where John "Baldspot" and Kate come into the story. They are both hanging out outside, enjoying their activities, when they are attacked. The original tutorial progresses to a point where both John and Kate are alive and are recovering from injuries. NPCs would come and slowly tells the new lore and other fan conspiracies to the player for world-building. This includes random safehouses, new map locations, brochures and lore-related tidbits.

Eventually, rumors spread about how the Zomboid came to be from the Spiffo Corp Headquarters. And then, with John investigating this, comes across hostile NPCs from the same mercenary group. And then Indie Stone devs can iterate upon this.

---

Unrelated to what was said above....

This is about the recent info about 345+ weapons.

Do the new weapons include things like one-time use weapons or throwable items that the player can do when engaging in combat?

For example, a sturdy stick. I would love it if I can use a sturdy stick as a one-time use weapon only item when engaging in combat during a really high-tense situation.

[timber trellis]

The virus is called the Knox Infection & to my knowledge it's just “Spiffo's” rather than “spiffo corp.” Neat theorizing, but I'm pretty sure they're intentionally leaving the virus source vague/open to interpretation

I figured you meant shared fan lore rather than your own thing 😄 “virus came from spiffo burger” is certainly a common theory, though

[hallow orchid]

Yes, shared fan lores are the best when it comes to worldbuilding alongside with official lores.

[timber trellis]

I should also note that I doubt pat genuinely believes “lore is awful” from the message you responded to, but in context of the earlier conversation lore was jokingly referred to as the be-all-end-all (in contrast to an article about how inexperienced writers think too highly of “lore”)

[hallow orchid]

It would also be really nice if there is an NG+ mode where, after you beat the game's main story, you unlock the Spiffo character, and you play as the racoon mascot in NG+.

But this time, some story elements are changed to accommodate Spiffo, like Spiffo is a solo protagonist, and not one of the protagonist duo John and Kate, and the worldbuilding would revolve around Spiffo and other mascot characters.

[hallow orchid]

I guess. Maybe Pat has other ideas in mind.

[timber trellis]

I don't think there's a main story planned ? There's at least not going to ever be a “game over” other than death, at least if the old common suggestions thread is to be believed

The old tutorial was a tutorial, not really a “story mode”

I could be wrong about no planning for a main story, as evidenced by the uncertainty in that first sentence, but it doesn't seem like something that'd be in PZ

[hallow orchid]

Hmmm, I thought the roadmap for Build 43, 44 and possibly 45, at some point in time, they will reintroduce John and Kate into the game.

[timber trellis]

I didn't even process the rest of this message until after sending all that, this sounds like a nice idea for a mod but idk if this would be in the base game

I imagine they'll just be NPCs you can encounter

[hallow orchid]

Maybe, but that would make John and Kate both generic NPCs though.

[timber trellis]

I don't know what else they'd be other than reintroduction as a scenario

[hallow orchid]

And that's the inspiration of how I intertwined them into the "fanfic".

[orchid pond]

It is Bob and Kate not John 🤓

Bob "Bald Spot" Smith

[velvet kettle]

Bob Spot

[nova palm]

Seems that you all need to read Dr Endsleigh's book, the spiffo theory is self explanatory, it doesn't need a mercenary group 😉

[frigid ore]

I just hope they keep adding more possible cliche explanations for the zombies but never confirming them. We have the secret government facility, the meteor shower, the evil corporation in Louisville, tainted meat from spiffo's. We need aliens now

[hallow orchid]

Ah, I got the person wrong then. 😦

[hallow orchid]

Is that book in the game somewhere? Or is that a VHS?

[verbal sorrel]

lol

[hallow orchid]

I'm technically new to Project Zomboid.

(I still want my newbie flair back.)

[hallow orchid]

Also, to add to the mercenary group theory, it adds credence to raiders, if you ever get to that point in the future.

[velvet kettle]

I don't recall there being a book so I could be wrong (maybe next build? Who knows?) but there is a TV interview on July 14 on the WBLN News channel in which Professor Endsleigh says (spoiler warning): ||"I've been warning people for years. It's in the meat. We've been feeding our cows on their own kind. Misfolded prions. Brain matter fed back into the food chain. These prions have been building up in countless generations of cattle. This is quite clearly a neurological disorder." In other words, many people believe something in the Spiffo's meat is the cause of the outbreak or the next evolutionary step for Mad Cow disease||

[winter crag]

The sneeze guards at salad bars are what caused the outbreak. People need snot in their food to be healthy.

[verbal sorrel]

lol i thought you meant there was actual guards for sneezes

[orchid pond]

This happens, no worries 👍❤️

[hallow orchid]

Thanks

[winter crag]

There are

[verbal sorrel]

no like people lol

[winter crag]

Armed with fully loaded M16s and body armour, yeah.

[verbal sorrel]

REALLY?!

the sneezle police haha

[winter crag]

||No, not actually|| Served with them for 6 years before I left when I learned the truth, but it was too late. I tried to tell the media, but that "Endsleigh" fella covered it up. He's not even a professor, he's an interpretive dancer that managed to score a cushy gig as an actor playing a scientist.

Ever since then, I've been living in the woods. Hiding my past failures with the occasional zany thursoid blog post.

[odd totem]

No

[willow geode]

[haughty fiber]

will there be a new erosion in version 42?

[tepid fractal]

please 🙏🏼🙏🏼

all it does is add cracks and some vines

i wanna see trees and buildings fall over or just roads being more eroded

[velvet pewter]

I just want saplings to grow at a reasonable rate compared to the rest of the erosion

[tepid fractal]

erosion is insanely fast its weird