Zaumby Thursday - Project Zomboid

[swift prism]

Gonna need a tutorial on youtube for new players to navigate the settings by the time Build 43 comes out

[tribal harbor]

The point about them not appearing until time has passed made sense & I'm sure the devs have considered this (it's the same today with certain weapons). I'm unsure about your definition of “few” here though

All it would take is one sizeable post-apocalyptic community falling to create a fair amount spiky zombies. It'd be reasonable for them to have been armored up when it happened, since presumably they would've been defending from a horde

& that's just one reason among many. There should not be many, but not that small of an amount

[merry rover]

Is the electric infastructure going to be repairable now that all types of machines have a user interface?

connect a few wires and replace a fuse maybe to get a town electricity again

[narrow raven]

I think electricity is a bit more complicated than that

[rocky hatch]

pfft how hard could it be.

That's how I'd die during an apocalypse, fry myself trying to get my power back on.

[heady kettle]

All good and all

But why are people paying for electricity monthly if it comes out of pure wires and fuses?

Maintaining that shouldn't cost much, if anything over such short 30-day periods

[rocky hatch]

Why do we even have electricians if I can just connect a few wires and power up my house indefinitely

ez pz

[swift prism]

The Purdue University Reactor Meltdown of 1994

[merry rover]

repairing transformers and AC generators sounds fun, sure

goes back to how much games should imitate real life

[rocky hatch]

Well yeah you definitely wouldn't be able to make it fully accurate to real life, but why should they give you the ability to restore a town's power? It's an apocalyptic game, when the power and water goes, it's gone for good.

[swift prism]

Where we getting the power from? are the zombies digging up coal?

[shy mauve]

Truuee

[merry rover]

no they are put on treadmills with a piece of meat hanging in front of them

[swift prism]

Lol

[shy mauve]

I won't reexplain the importance of world building but if you do that you also need to have settlements around the world that you can find

[merry rover]

there could be a "set piece" where the electricity infastructure was damaged only slightly, and the player could fix it. Maybe not for an entire town but a small region connected to a separate grid

[swift prism]

Like this?

[rocky hatch]

Eh it still seems weird though, those would need tons of experts to maintain and how would it stay operational?

[tribal harbor]

I imagine this will come with NPCs, to some degree. Maybe not in the first phase but I can't imagine finding abandoned safehouses/zones never being a thing

[merry rover]

i cant think of a reason why this wouldnt work

maybe they require too much power

[narrow raven]

The pre-existing power grid was built for a completely different world

[shy mauve]

And that depends if they make npcs build settlements

[merry rover]

i mean similiar to how players can maintain cars

you dont have to account for every nut and bolt

[rocky hatch]

Uh no, it's not remotely similar. Maintaing a car is far different from maintaining electrical infrastructure

[tribal harbor]

I believe it's established that there will at least ultimately be safehouses, unless I'm misremembering. I think settlements are the logical next step

[narrow raven]

The goal is for NPCs to be able to do anything players can

[tribal harbor]

NPCs will be able to collect plushies and burn down their safehouses with a microwave confirmed

[merry rover]

with a car you have everything you need to fix in the same place, but i think its comparable. A car has its own electric devices as well

[shy mauve]

Electricity is not as easy as you think, especially if you have 0 knowledge about it. I've been studying electricity electricity for 7 years now and it would take me a while to find documentation about every electricity systems and their uses. I would definitely be able to create a small electricity generator since I know how they work but powering up a whole town ? Oh boy that will take more than shitty windmill

[merry rover]

and i dont mean in large scale. Maybe just a local switchboard for a building or something

[rocky hatch]

Uh it's still not comparable. That electrical infrastructure needs experts to maintain it and needs quite a lot of resources to keep active. It wasn't built for an apocalypse.

[shy mauve]

Cars were way simpler back then, the electrical part is fairly simple compared to today

[tribal harbor]

Simply connect generator wire to power grid wire. It's so easy I could do it with my eyes open

[merry rover]

i do electrical work also. This is a video game

[shy mauve]

Man I can't believe you with everything you said

[rocky hatch]

Ok? They're still going for an apocalyptic game, some random dude getting the electrical grid back up seems like it'd be absurd considering the setting.

[tribal harbor]

When it comes to systems they're clearly going for at least feasible, if not always entirely realistic, so this isn't a great excuse

[shy mauve]

Like boy, PZ has always had this aspect of making sense and beeing hard, you're conscious it would make 0 sense to just reconnect some electrical equipment right ?

[merry rover]

how big is the grid you think im talking about?

[tribal harbor]

You did say “a town”

[rocky hatch]

Well you said an entire town so I'm going by that.

[shy mauve]

Even if it's a single house, you need something to produce the electricity and we already have that: a generator

[rocky hatch]

Yeah why not just use a generator.

[shy mauve]

For a town you can't just have a small generator, you need a bigger one

And then I agree with you, it's doable definitely

[rocky hatch]

I don't see why you'd need to power up an entire area like that

[tribal harbor]

So the devs should make a new recipe that allows you to combine 10 generators into Big Generator

And then you can plug in Big Generator and power the whole map

[shy mauve]

But don't say it requires a few wires and fuses connect lol, what a disgrace to the electricity field

[shy mauve]

No or just create a new one based on a car motor for example

[tribal harbor]

(That was not serious)

[shy mauve]

Some diy craft

[rocky hatch]

No I'll just create power for the entire area by fixing up this singular circuit breaker.

Problem solved, we beat the apocalypse.

[tribal harbor]

Next we can fix the phone lines with some twine

[merry rover]

have you ever heard of video games where things are simplified to the point where they can be fun for the average person?

[rocky hatch]

Yes we have, but there's also settings. This game has an apocalyptic setting that has somewhat of a focus on realism in some aspects. I feel like restoring power to entire areas by simply connecting a few wires at some facility goes against that setting quite a bit.

[merry rover]

there are many games with fun missions where you just replace a fuse to maintain connection. dying light for example

[rocky hatch]

Yeah but Dying Light is going for a completely different approach from Zomboid. Dying Light is trying to go for a fun zombie killing game, PZ can also be that but it's also focusing on being a zombie survival.

[tribal harbor]

You're comparing things that aren't really comparable imo. The common thread “is a video game” is not that relevant considering the direction of the game

There are also many games where you can respawn. PZ isn't one of those (one example among many)

[rocky hatch]

You can with PZ though

In the same world at least.

[tribal harbor]

Okay, “there are also many games which aren't permadeath”

[merry rover]

they are already adding machine UI where you can just replace parts. I imagine those parts are going to be complex, so where do you draw the line?

[tribal harbor]

I'd also argue it isn't a respawn if you're a different character but that's a semantic argument

[rocky hatch]

I'm not saying shit needs to be overly complex, just that restoring power to some entire area just by fixing a few wires seems like it'd be a bit too strange considering the game's setting.

[merry rover]

i think the wire part was the least unrealistic. Where the electricity comes from is a whole different ordeal

[rocky hatch]

Exactly, how is that facility going to stay up at all. It isn't designed to stay operstional after the world has ended.

[merry rover]

but switchboards for buildings sounds cool, no?

[tribal harbor]

I think it'd be interesting and compelling if it were possible, but it would have to be feasible. Switching out a part to power a town wouldn't be, so I don't think it would be done that way

[rocky hatch]

How am I gonna use those switchboards when the power grid has shut off?

[merry rover]

for individual buildings

[tribal harbor]

If it's a single building with a generator that makes sense

[rocky hatch]

A generator then.

[merry rover]

itd be cool to control the non primitive machines in your base by flipping switches

[rocky hatch]

So just use a generator then?

[tribal harbor]

Unless I'm misunderstanding they're proposing both

That is, a generator-powered building having a working circuit board. Am I understanding you correctly Sauha

[merry rover]

of course, yes

you cant control anything individually by turning off your generator

in the end its going to be a question of wether they add "wiring" for things

but itd be cool to loot repair shops for parts like relays and use them for your own purposes

[hallow lichen]

i'd love to be able to make the streetlights work again

[merry rover]

it might be up to modders to make it work

[wise bone]

I'm gonna go feral waiting for 42. When the day comes and you see an old-ass man wearing nothing but dirty leopard print briefs wielding a blood-stained hammer in the woods, know that it's too late for me. Do not approach. Gifts of hair dye and smokes left at the edge appreciated, however.

[turbid terrace]

Have to ask something

i saw the ''dodge'' mod in the steam workshop

will there be any type of dodges we can do in the game in the future?

are you devs going to add them?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3201023642

[brisk terrace]

i thought you meant a car lol

[turbid terrace]

Haha no, i meant dodging zombies

[shy mauve]

No I highly doubt it

[turbid terrace]

Maybe with half the lenght jump backwards would ballance things out? Just enough to dodge zombies

also description is very clear

Warnings

• Dodging is not possible on stairs.
• If you dodge too late, zombies can still get you.
• If you dodge too much, your character become tired very quickly

[brisk terrace]

im not sure how that would work in pz , would it be over powered?

[turbid terrace]

with ballanced it can work very well, maybe a magazine or high survivor level can do that?

maybe one skill from agility?

don't know

[brisk terrace]

how would you balance something like that

[turbid terrace]

can't do that too much or survivor becomes tired fast

and only high level survivors can do that, don't know which hability can it be applied to though

[brisk terrace]

with stout and that as a feature i could see it being pretty op

[turbid terrace]

In here it explain

maybe they can consider

[shy mauve]

The issue is that even if a normal human could doing that, it would look janky

[turbid terrace]

half the lenght of jump and ballancing so players don't do that a lot

[turbid terrace]

Could be like boxers dodging punches

bro my keyboard is trolling me

[shy mauve]

eh

are you a boxer ?

[turbid terrace]

You know what i mean, not being a boxer but after so much time they can develop reflexes

can't do too much because of being tired too fast

is an interesting idea for sure

[coarse scaffold]

In fact the game should have more mechanics associated with skills, or the lack of this

training your character should be more noticeable

[full narwhal]

and survivors dont even have google.......

[full narwhal]

jesus fucking christ

happy easter btw. thats huge tho wtf

[swift prism]

Make bounty hunting NPCs lol

[gritty bridge]

Make project zomboid into the sims 5

[south dew]

Isn't there a mod doing that lol

[brisk terrace]

when can we fold our laundry in the game

folding mini game lol

[swift prism]

Mini game for loading bullets into a revolver lol

Turn it into WarioWare

[coarse scaffold]

project rene

[silent plinth]

i fw that

i would love more minigames and stuff

also on top of that

yknow in twdg theres quick time events for combat? i would love something like if u use something thats prone to getting lodged in a zeds flesh, u gotta press space or spam it (idk either one) to unlodge it. combat needs to be at least slightly more immersive

[brisk terrace]

what

[silent plinth]

i foward that

idk man

[viral oyster]

Yeah, but like if you find enough documentation and are determined enough you could figure out how to isolate parts of the grid and repurpose it for your new needs, right? Gasoline or propane generators aren't even your only option for supplying it, biofuel is a thing- you could repurpose human bodies or excess crops/rotten produce to mulch into fuel. That's pretty post-apocalyptic and metal

at the very least you could salvage the components and build a smaller grid if you're less ambitious than powering a whole-ass town

Riverside or Louisville have the advantage of being able to use the Ohio river for a gravity battery, as well

[viral oyster]

that's prolly way outside the scope of zomboid though... Forklift/digger certification update anyone??

[woven warren]

if speed loaders were added for revolvers to reload them faster.

[slim mason]

The whole point of revolvers is to not carry magazines tho

Just use an M9 at that point

[woven warren]

reloading a revolver bullet by bullet takes longer to do IRL

half life 2 uses the speed loader when reloading the colt python.

[blissful osprey]

yeah but what if u dont have an m9
itd be niche but theres alot of stuff in this game thats niche

[silent plinth]

yeah i was thinking abt that

it’d be optional though, either manual or speed loader

im pretty sure we’ll be getting more gun mods come b42?

[woven warren]

indiestone does not like suppressors lol

[silent plinth]

fair yeah but i was talking more about attachments like gun lights actually working again

and other stuff like muzzle breaks, supressors maybe even, grips

something i keep thinking about

when b42 drops and theres all these new skills , how crowded is the skill ui gonna be

like think, theres gonna be something with animals, masonry, blacksmithing, welding, and maybe other skills for the ability to DIY weapons, ability to make machines, etc

there would be alot to put in that one ui

unless they do drop down menus?

[woven warren]

maintaining machinery since it will have some wear and tear.

[silent plinth]

yeah i just think maybe there should be more dropdown menus and sorting for skills in b42. maybe even seperate skills like carpentry into multiple branches instead of one general skill yknow

electrical shouldnt be generalized into one skill lol

like part of it is robotics, another traps, another electronics

[woven warren]

Carpentry skill and the magic of knowing how to make anything without a recipe book

[silent plinth]

yeah its weird how ur guy just knows how to build a whole house without a book or magazine

he just knows cuz “he can build decently”

dunno, surely it’ll get looked at in b42

[chilly vigil]

!roadmap

[upbeat cypress]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[chilly vigil]

AEHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

We are back!!!! now it's moving!!!

(Thery are moving a pixel each month)

[grave void]

That looks like a lot more than 3 pixels left.

[frank cobalt]

Will they be able to juggle hoards? I'm thinking I should just keep my NPCs at the base and leave to hoards to players.

[solid pond]

can’t wait to see an NPC full on sprint and slam face first into a wall

[coarse scaffold]

can´t wait to see an NPC.

[silent plinth]

erm achtually we have

one thursdoid we saw them driving

[cobalt bay]

never jams

[cobalt bay]

highly doubt we'll have 1000 hour player equivalent NPCs

[south dew]

npcs slowly driving through louisville center in a police car with the sirens on, leading the horde towards some campfires they set up at an intersection

as a new player, after a long and grueling trek, you get to louisville just to find that the camp has been overrun and... Oh, the NPCs have used molotovs and the skillful art of walking in circles to clear it out of all the zombies, ok then.

[cobalt bay]

I doubt fire will be so strong for much longer

[solid pond]

hoping NPCs celebrate the penisham festival every September (iirc) in-game

[grave void]

Imagine they drop a release date tomorrow as an April Fool's Day joke and get this sub in a twist, making people think that the real joke is that it's actually real.

[shy mauve]

Just brainfuck the community basically

[woven warren]

lol

[smoky lance]

Unironically NPC's starting fires should be a thing as a sandbox setting

Another way to break people out of their comfort zone

[rocky hatch]

Humanity never discovered how to make fire setting

except u ofc

[smoky lance]

Moreso it should be a sandbox setting for gameplay reasons, IE without that being enabled NPCs wouldn't be able to spread fire but might start it, IE they can make a campfire but if the ai does it in a stupid way where a player doing that thing burns down the entirety of muldraugh, it just doesn't, if the player doesn't want to worry about having their house catch fire in the middle of the night

[smoky lance]

Also I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze here. It's real funny until they get pinged 11 times an hour asking for confirmation of the release date and "Is this true?" even after they rescind it.

[slim mason]

Not a good idea

[wise bone]

They don't want you to know that update 42 was done months ago and the one and only reason it has not been released is because they have been hard at work modeling and animating photorealistic feet onto the player character.

[noble atlas]

Aaaaawww sh- They figured it all out, no reason to keep hiding guys

[solid pond]

[smoky lance]

I mean given that they've already discussed the potential of actual content showing up on tv screens due to the update, and a recent partnership with community animators, it only makes sense to give those animators something to work with

[gritty bridge]

I knew it

[wise bone]

The clues where all there.
Soul- Sole
Filcher- F (eet)
Project Zomboid- both have an equal number of letters as the average number of toes on a human foot

You can hide nothing from us.

[shy mauve]

I must suck at math then

[silent plinth]

will we get an update onhttps://projectzomboid.com/blog/upcoming-features-b42/ cuz we got some new featurees confirmed in the latest thursdoid

[wise bone]

To know one's ignorance is the first step towards understanding. I believe in you, internet stranger.

[vale plinth]

release b43 for april fools day

[hallow lichen]

omg just like in metal gear

[heady kettle]

And just from where would said grid get power from? Thin air?

[heady kettle]

DL's lore is that you are in a city-state and less than half of it is merely under quarantine

So it does make sense that there is power and all you need to do to get it to a specific place is fix up wiring etc.

But here, the world ended - there is no one to give you anything related to power, so you'd have to be a 1-man power plant that does everything from getting fuel to processing it into power, then ensuring the power grid is in good condition

At which point it becomes plain stupid

[heady kettle]

Sadly it's not modern day

Which makes me wonder why the devs chose 1993 instead of like, 2013

2013 would allow for so much more cool stuff (including complex weapon attachments)

Tbh even 2003 would work much better while still staying in a semi-Cold War setting military-stuff-wise

[rocky hatch]

Don't know the exact reasons. Probably cause it's easier to sell how the military managed to contain most of the info about what was happening in the quarantine since it was harder to communicate with people across the world compared to now.

[heady kettle]

The thing is that signal jammers exist...

So that's a moot point basically

[narrow raven]

Don't know. Not something to worry about at this point

[rocky hatch]

Still much harder to stop the media from finding out now though compared to back then.

[heady kettle]

Still I doubt that that was the case

Same as "why would the military be so bad at containing the zombies?"

[narrow raven]

That's only meant to show the main features

[rocky hatch]

Nostalgia as well maybe. That and the game is set when Mad Cow was infecting shit tons of cattle and starting to infect people over in the UK. So that could be another reason why the setting got chosen.

[heady kettle]

UK bias confirmed

[narrow raven]

You mean "so much more pointlessly complicated mechanics that add nothing to the game"

[heady kettle]

I'd say being able to customize a gun would be a good thing

Basically the current system but with more options

And more streamlined due to the attachment rails

[narrow raven]

PZ isn't a gun game, guns are always going to be a small part of it

[heady kettle]

So it could be done into a nice interface (top, bottom, left and right rails)

[heady kettle]

(let me dream)

[narrow raven]

This is a dream free zone

[rocky hatch]

accomplish yo dream with mods

[smoky sparrow]

man I can't wait to make armor

[cobalt relic]

says the guy not in charge of firearms 😛
let me correct this, its not a gun game, but they should play just as much part of it as they do IRL.
(also, all the attachments options have basically been unlocked - as mentioned in the blog)

the attachment stuff is primarily for mods atm though. dont expect piles of new things to put on the vanilla firearms.

[wise bone]

I wake up, and safely unload my under-the-pillow gun into the ceiling. I make a big breakfast of assorted bullets fried on the stove with Hopps oil. I drive my car who's engine was replaced by a big gun to my job at the pillow factory. I conceal carry my Fairchild-Republic A10 Thunderbolt II just in case because I'm in the bad part of town (a house got TPed). I get home and eat the cleaning rags for dinner in order to balance out my diet, before replacing my under-the-pillow gun with a new one and falling into a deep sleep.

Guns are critical to my normal American way of life, and I am excited to see that reflected in Project Zomboid.

[narrow raven]

Yeah, that's just what I meant, rather than the Call of Duty/PUBG stuff of having big 3d guns with skins and a million parts

[shy mauve]

But I thought this was Tarkov ????

[vale plinth]

please add weapon skin crates to zomboid🙏🙏 and make them cost money because we all love micro transactions!!

[full narwhal]

shots fired

[merry rover]

I love how you guys stick with this. The game would have so little personality if it was just about blasting zombies with modern assault rifles riddled with attachments

I think the people asking for guns and ghillie suits and such have no idea about game design and impulsively suggest anything that pops in their mind

but they can play in their modded worlds with all the weapon and armor packs and then figure out why it isnt so enjoyable

[wise bone]

I want to live in the woods and die of pneomonia, that's my impulsive ask.

[merry rover]

(and tbh the electricity grid idea was somewhat impulsive, but i still think switchboards for individual buildings could work)

[wise bone]

Not IRL, obvs. Currently elbow-deep in a fucking furnace trynna get the machine-spirit working.

[noble atlas]

Not IRL? I was going to make a few calls to help you with that!

[wise bone]

"Lemme call my pneumonia guy"

Lmfao

[full narwhal]

lol u would be surprised how many ppl enjoy playing that way. i had a hard time for a bit finding a mp server that didnt use gun mods i dont like. so glad the vanilla game isnt as overrun with guns tho

[wise bone]

Different strokes. I personally care more about having a million different guns that have non-interchangable parts and calibers than I do for the gun modification parts. Makes getting guns tedious and awful in a realistic way.

[slim stream]

Dunno about you guys but I like just shooting zombies in the face with a gun that doesn’t even exist in the time period

[solid pond]

I’m more fond of getting up close and personal, and I’m happy to see there will be more variety to do so with

smashing in zombie skulls is immensely satisfying

[molten thunder]

The new melee weapons remind me of the scrap weapons mod and I'm all for it

[grave void]

I gonna love seeing my weapon break mid-fight, and then continuing the fight with the broken weapon parts!

[silent plinth]

waiting for april 1st tweet

[brisk terrace]

cause that would go over well lol

interweb; wheres we cannot hath nice tings

[solid pond]

all with a Spiffo head on

all other head gear is inferior

[tribal harbor]

I'm sure they could get away with something not at all plausible, like “in b42 we're getting rid of the zombies”

[brisk terrace]

yea right lol

[tribal harbor]

Maybe a bad example since that's a realistic possibility which I expect and hope for

[solid pond]

all zombies transform into sprinting Spiffos

[grave void]

Imagine B42 drops on June 30th 11:59 PM GMT

[solid pond]

imagine B42 never drops at all

[woven warren]

build 42 being a legend

build 42 being an old wives tale

[slim mason]

The real B42 were the friends we made along the way

[spark zephyr]

True

[solid pond]

then they and attempt to eat your brains

[dry lodge]

Wait til you see the armor

[woven warren]

new melee weapons look interesting to find and even craft

[grave void]

I wonder if we'll end up adding the new moodles to the server's emoji list.

Personally, I think we should.

[woven warren]

updated emotes

I hope we can grow some of this

[south dew]

in the end we'll huddle around fires and tell our grand children of the Before Times, and the b42 that was promised. they will wage wars with the descendents of other survivors over what was and was not supposed to be in the update

[coarse scaffold]

We need the Avatar to maintaining balance between both realms and acting as a bridge between b41 and b42.

[tidal python]

spotted the functional placed candle!!!

[woven warren]

sleeping bags making more sense than ever.

nice to see some actual tents insead of the makeshift versions.

[turbid terrace]

YOOOOOOO

[grave void]

Especially being able to bundle sleeping bags onto compatible backpacks. Nomad runs are gonna be so hype!

[woven warren]

living in the woods challenges would be a nice feature and making some use of abandoned buildings as bases as well

[turbid terrace]

[twin iris]

are radios gonna have audio in b43

[cobalt bay]

"I know a guy that's got the hookup on real cheap pneumonia"

[candid oak]

will the map editor in b42 be updated?

[narrow raven]

They'll always be muffled

[hallow lichen]

hold my true music

[mellow shadow]

What will the ID card be for

[twin iris]

identification

[narrow raven]

Flavour

[blissful osprey]

purchasing alcohol and driving

without it you cant start a car or drink booze

[honest ore]

Finally spiky armor

My teammates will no longer shove eachother on the ground constantly

[grave void]

They will. They'll just die from scratch wounds for doing it.

[grave void]

ID cards will likely have information on where somebody lived. So if you see a construction worker at a construction site, you'll be able to find where that person lived, from where you can collect any useful items they might have at home, like various tools or carpentry and welding books.

When NPCs are implemented, you'll be able to provide information on what happened to peoples' loved ones.

[shy mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[dry lodge]

I'll provide information with my shotgun

[sand matrix]

you are the wife of Paul? we'll i "found" him dead inside of his house, here is his ID and all the belongings i stole found on him!

[wise bone]

This wounds me more than pneumonia ever could.

[grave void]

What about voice chat?

[brisk terrace]

Id card to checkout skill books

[grave void]

🤑🤑🤑

More like a 0 interest credit card

[brisk terrace]

Lol to afford a car

[heady kettle]

What if there were 2 Pauls?

"Oh, but that's not my Paul!"

[austere flume]

its coming soon

[vague latch]

As in the muffled pseudo-speech currently heard when the TV or radio is playing?

Sounds completely reasonable, I imagine it’d take quite a while to make a whole range of professionally-mixed radio shows, etc.

However, If B42 empowers modders the way it’s been suggested, I fully expect Shrek and Bee Movie to be fully viewable on the in-game TVs.

[fluid atlas]

I got a question, if it hits too close to home as far as ‘b42 when?’ Feel free to not answer.

What are the major blockers in b42 that are standing between it and a beta candidate build? Or rather whats left to do implementation wise?

[brisk terrace]

dont they share some info with us from the blogs

[fluid atlas]

Somewhat yeah, but from the ones i’ve read they usually focus on individual systems rather than how everything fits together, or rather how many pieces are still missing/being made. Of course i could be completely wrong and that is right infront of my face in a thursdoid.

[wicked vault]

If the gun deterioration isnt fixed in B42 i am gunna go bonkers

[fluid hedge]

first person update when

[grave void]

Gun deterioration?

[shy mauve]

durability, most likely

[brisk terrace]

why ? isnt there a lot of zombie games out there already with that

[grave void]

They jest

[fluid hedge]

all not for my liking

[brisk terrace]

whats wrong with isometric?

[fluid hedge]

i guess the jokely manner didn't even approach your brain

[brisk terrace]

yeah i dont recall interacting with you so im probably not going to tell if youre joking or not in a blog discussion lol

my bad im dumb

[fluid hedge]

don't worry about it

[brisk terrace]

Ok but penisham umbrella pls

[frank cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_42

Loving the the new updated wiki page for Build 42! Nice summery of the major changes coming!

[silent plinth]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/upcoming-features-b42/

[frank cobalt]

Shoutout to all the PZ wiki editors! You folks are awesome! 👍

[silent plinth]

this is a good website to use also to see all things in b42

not website- article

[silent plinth]

thanks

[wheat iris]

Thank you, I put the list together last week using the blog post

[full narwhal]

yeah fully-acted tv segments would be. a lot on resources i imagine. & fan-made dog goblin sequels wouldnt hit as hard if modders had to pull together those kinds of resources too

[chilly vigil]

!roadmap

[upbeat cypress]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[chilly vigil]

AEHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! It's moving

[cobalt bay]

I swear yall act like that command is going to show us something they didn't already tell us like 3 months ago

[solid pond]

they're trolling

anyway, anyone also excited for this?

even tho we'll probably just be able to break the vending machine glass

[cobalt bay]

plexiglass, pain in the ASS to get through

[spark zephyr]

Yes I am excited for this! The MP ramifications of having these is going to be neat (the modded shops we have now work but can be jank at times)

[solid pond]

I can already see vendors making plushies like $20 or something. I might say "no way am I locating every cash register in a town just for a plushy", but I know I'd do so anyway

[shy mauve]

Or break through :)

[shy mauve]

I'm existed for this for modding purposes

[twin iris]

Can we cannibalize

[grave void]

Which blogpost did they show this again?

[cyan blaze]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/06/snack-attack/

[narrow raven]

There's already voice chat

[smoky lance]

Does anyone know the indie stone employee count off the top of their head?

[narrow raven]

1

[rocky hatch]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/The_Indie_Stone This page could be helpful, definitely not completely accurate though since I probably forgot a few

[smoky lance]

My work wifi blocks the wiki or I would've just googled it

[rocky hatch]

Well that I could piece together, it's like 30.

thats not counting the other small studios assisting

[hoary temple]

Somewhat odd to include moderators

Doesn't seem to include the ones on Reddit (and Steam?) for example

Also pretty sure Faalagorn is also the wiki guy

[rocky hatch]

I'd still say part of the company

[hoary temple]

Sure but selectively so with other moderators not included

[rocky hatch]

Yeah I did forget a shit load, it wasn't that easy finding out which devs were part of which company.

[hoary temple]

Typical shoddy detective work, Du Bois

[rocky hatch]

Lore accurate, this is Du Bois before the game started.

[hoary temple]

Isn't nasko the producer too

[rocky hatch]

I dunno a lot of the mods on the other platforms and it was a pain trying to figure out which roles people had as well. The credits doesn't describe a lot of their roles.

[hoary temple]

and Ayrton Orio artist + mapping

Wasn't Fox Team Tanglewood

[rocky hatch]

Yeah but they rectruited em.

Well just fox, not the whole tanglewood team

[hoary temple]

Is EnigmaGrey still with them? Haven't seen them in ages

[rocky hatch]

I'm not entirely sure, I think he still works but he's more behind the scenes now maybe

[hoary temple]

I forgot which blog it was but they did talk about searching or finding a dude for the animation stuff they had on their jobs page

was it the one hinting at ragdolls or was that just mentioned as a possible thing

[rocky hatch]

dunno, was lazy as fuck with that page, I wanted to get it over and done with so I could get back to that easter eggs page.

[hoary temple]

a euphemism for booze I assume

[rocky hatch]

I wish, nah just a page I thought would be easy to do, wasn't. Took like a month or 2 to get it somewhat decent cause of how many damn easter eggs there are.

[full narwhal]

i took a break from the game for a few months & the roadmap looked way different then

[full narwhal]

i forgot abt the vending machine lmao. btwn this & the paper one omg these users r getting so interfaced 🥳

[grave void]

Don't forget the liquid system 🤩

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI8ESJBOZt4

[full narwhal]

SO TRUE 💦

[tribal harbor]

Dreaming of a future state in which my clothes can get stained with distinct liquids

Perhaps mod-only territory, since I imagine most gamers aren't too concerned with realistic clothing care

[jolly heron]

I sure do want to have to sort my laundry and use different detergents to clean them 🥺 jk ofcourse

[hallow lichen]

The only interactions that Fafato has here are always the command of the roadmap lol

[heady kettle]

!roadmap

[upbeat cypress]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[wise bone]

That's bad, but two can be just as bad.

[grave void]

You're saying "TWOOOOOOO can be as bad as one..."?

[wise bone]

Loneliest number since the number one.

Look, if anyone wants real voices for their radios, just invite me or Penguinmanereikal to serenade you until I die of pneomonia. I sound like a baritone cat being stepped on, it'll be great.

[woven warren]

since we are now in Q2 of 2024 we could start seeing build 42 some time between April and June.

April is fisical year here in Canada.

[wise bone]

The Canadian economic-soothsayers have spoken.

[livid bison]

42 is?

[tribal harbor]

April Fools! It's actually coming out in 2052

(it is planned for unstable release this year)

[woven warren]

April , May and June are the last months until becoming 2nd half of 2024.

[brisk terrace]

july!!!

[livid bison]

What do you mean unstable release...

I thought it was full release this year

https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner2049-blade-runner-angry-god-damnit-confused-gif-15118091

[woven warren]

public IWBUMS build is going to be amazing for build 42

[brisk terrace]

the rat pack build

i will backup my ratpak

[grave void]

No chance it drops in April. Late May at the earliest. June 30th 11:59:59 GMT at the latest.

[woven warren]

also this year will mark the 5th year anniversary of build 41 being playable for the public.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_41

[grave void]

42 will nourish my soul for years to come

[brisk terrace]

what are you guys going to do first when the 42 dropts

[grave void]

I hope the vehicle improvements become a point of focus for B44. They might return to the Fire upgrade in B43.

[grave void]

Go into debug mode and explore the new territories, of course!

[woven warren]

when build 42 drops first thing I will do is look for new loot and even some animals to hunt.

[tribal harbor]

The official position is “2024,” despite the dev comment saying first half

[boreal flare]

I could never do that, takes away fun from exploring new areas. 😭

[tribal harbor]

Only saying that since I can imagine everyone being very disappointed if plans change. Myself included, considering it said “for sure,” but things happen

[woven warren]

if build 42 had animated car doors that would be awesome

[grave void]

It's more than how much I'm gonna see through normal gameplay! I'm gonna be too afraid to look around!

[tribal harbor]

Fix my mods

[grave void]

I hope map.projectzomboid.com doesn't take too long to update once the build comes out.

[woven warren]

I only explore new areas once the PZ map is updated

[brisk terrace]

llol

cant you humour me

[tribal harbor]

This was a genuine answer lol, ingame I'll probably start a new singleplayer save in Muldraugh with the ultimately goal of achieving “Farmville” mode

[brisk terrace]

omer the farmviller

[woven warren]

cant wait to farm new crops like corn

[tribal harbor]

Heck yeah 😎

I'm looking forward to animal husbandry

[brisk terrace]

yah i cannot wait to try the new farming, i never really farm much in my games

[woven warren]

growing some lettuce , eggplants, hopefully some watermelon

[brisk terrace]

YAH i hope we can name them so i can name them francis

[tribal harbor]

I'm going to name them all Meat

[woven warren]

if we could grow some medicinal herbs.

[tribal harbor]

And then never kill nor eat them because I'd feel too bad

[brisk terrace]

meat pop 5000 lol

i wonder if they have lifespan , or will i be able to have 2 pair that i can make the snack factory makers

[tribal harbor]

I'd assume they must have some sort of lifespan since there's gonna be breeding

[brisk terrace]

nooo!!! i need my forever pair!!

[tribal harbor]

I can't imagine the introduction of infinite meat machines

Maybe there'll be sandbox options related to lifespan & if not I'm sure mods will step in

No way there won't be a mod for “pet” farm animals

[brisk terrace]

haha yeah

[woven warren]

could imagine how noisy a rooster will be in a zombie apocalypse.

[tribal harbor]

Muzzled rooster

Inhumane? Perhaps

[brisk terrace]

can we use them as alarm clocks

[tribal harbor]

Now that would be gaming

[brisk terrace]

lol

[fathom perch]

PLEASE MODS ADD A RULE THAT YOU CANT POST SERVERS IN LFG (OR COMMUNITYS)

[woven warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC1jyQEyhWw

[merry rover]

I wonder how we will be able to use these bad boys

[grave void]

Probably using the demonstrated crafting systems?

Since there won't be suits of armor in the base map, I wonder if map modders will add a museum to do so.

[grave void]

Well, if the official one takes too long, let's hope map.six.ph gets updated first.

Although, doesn't look like it has for a while

Which is a shame, because it seems to perform so much better than the official one on mobile.

[slim mason]

Left is to cut, right is to make holes☝️🤓

[solid pond]

Betting on June unstable release then July stable release.

[solid pond]

this. Bottoms up!

[brisk terrace]

lol

[solid pond]

I thought about it a bit now: might spawn in Rosewood, find a car and get an axe from the fire department, then go straight to the military base and see what the underground structure looks like

[brisk terrace]

oh shit i forgot about that place lol

[frank cobalt]

With the new depth buffer system, did the devs says it would allow sitting in chairs in the future?

[solid pond]

yeah, in the most recent blog post

[solid pond]

if I survive, then I'll come back to the GigaMart in Rosewood and locate all these snacks

[frank cobalt]

Thank you!

[merry rover]

Yeah unstable June 15th, mark it down

And sorry devs i know you dont like clairvoyants

[solid pond]

I’ll name my pigs Chris P. Bacon

https://youtu.be/pMA3x-bc8iM?si=4sd6hJ0zhlTzwl8T

[brisk terrace]

need that in pz hahaha

[solid pond]

def gonna be a mod for that to some effect

[spark zephyr]

Now that is some Costco sized bleach

Surprised it doesn't say Kirkland on the side of it

[solid pond]

lol that reminded me as to why the devs added canteens and all that. Bleach bottles are all we need

[brisk terrace]

i cant wait to collect them all

[cerulean fog]

b42 releases in 10 min

[narrow raven]

I think you might as well be reading tea leaves

[spark zephyr]

🫖 ☕ I predict...

It will be ready when it's ready.

[fringe flicker]

I mean it's not coming out in April but that's as much as I can gather

[twin iris]

april frool1

[spice tinsel]

Spiffo gang

[silent plinth]

uhhhh surprise thursdoid today guys

(im losing it)

[elfin dagger]

where is it

[radiant hollow]

But what about wooden fences and military fences and log walls? They gonna breaks too? And finally we gonna have big hoardes of zombies moving together with the new path system?
So many questions!!!!

[blissful osprey]

I hope so
its too easy to make very strong bases using map walls compared to using player walls which can be pretty mediocre, ideally making it so player fences have the same logic as map built ones while also requiring a certain amount of zombies to break it should even out the discrepancy

[woven warren]

imagine zombies breaking down prison fences

[grave void]

Won't have to for too long.

[shy mauve]

The new path system is most likely only for animals, we'll have to see if it would be usable for zombies tho

[grave void]

Wait. This actually makes claiming the Rosewood Prison a lot more problematic.

Hordes can break down the fences from the inside, meaning you'll have to fix them later or risk a compromised base.

[shy mauve]

Yeah or it could help take the prison also since zombies could easily be drawn out of it

[vague latch]

I'd be happy if it meant that chainlink fences don't break the zombies line of sight, so that they walk toward targets they can see and get "stuck" up against the fence.

I want them lined up so I can strafe the frontline with a spear and headstab the morning's stragglers.

[brisk terrace]

Yay

[radiant hollow]

That what i was mean i hope every big fence will be destroyable by zeds so we are not safe anywhere

[brisk terrace]

yah same, i was way too comfy up in lv hiding between those fences

[radiant hollow]

The only safe place should be the wall 's fenced neighbour in LV

[silent plinth]

they should at least be far more stronger than other fences

[woven warren]

louisville fences will be nerfed and it will make entering that city much easier

[brisk terrace]

this one?

[radiant hollow]

No there os one is south west LV

Is pointed on the map also

[brisk terrace]

oh i never noticed that! thats cool

[silent plinth]

i forget abt that place

its insanely huge with like 2 entrances

[brisk terrace]

tanks for sharing

[silent plinth]

but that shouldnt be invincible either

[radiant hollow]

In the sever i play we occupied and made our comunity there

[silent plinth]

all tall fences should be able to be talen down

i do hope zeds dont just randomly get stuck on fences like they do doors and windows tho

[brisk terrace]

wait

so brick will be safe?

[silent plinth]

like they’re walking hugging the fence and they just randomly start attacking it

[silent plinth]

i’d say brick would be stronger at least

also thats a thin ass wall lol

[radiant hollow]

I know but this is a brick made the only weak points will be the gates ubgonna build

[brisk terrace]

lol

[radiant hollow]

Also log walls should be virtually very resistant look at jackson in Tlou log wall reinforced by metal sheets

[silent plinth]

they wanna make it so fences that are there when u first spawn arent unbreakable and dont break zombie pathinf

cuz if u hop a fence thats slightly long

zeds get confused and just stand there

[brisk terrace]

yah but zombies have bones for nails so IN MY HEAD theyre like wolverine and can shred lol

[silent plinth]

i just hope they at LEAST nerf the damage zombies have to the enviornment

i get one zombie breaking a window

but how is one zombie gonna break a door

[radiant hollow]

Yes is true but same principle will be apply to flesh when rotten if they press should shred the flesh

[silent plinth]

i think fences shouldn’t be “broken”, but more like just toppled over

like in twd lemme get screenshots

[radiant hollow]

They should fix it

[brisk terrace]

isnt one hour our time like 5 of theirs or something lol , so i always pictured it as a zombie broke a door down or something it was because they were banging on that shit for 5 hours

[silent plinth]

even then they’re basically just knocking on it

[brisk terrace]

its funny though when they do break like a window they walk off , like a bunch of little hooligans lol

[radiant hollow]

In my opinion only those metal fences and wooden walls should be abble to be destroyable

[radiant hollow]

Lol

[brisk terrace]

like you could enter and bring me dinner first before fucking off after destroying my winder

[silent plinth]

they should still at least attack it- maybe not destroy it but at least attack it

cuz why would they see u hop over a brick fence and just.. give up

[radiant hollow]

That will be amazing

[silent plinth]

same with doors

i mean if theres enough, yes i can see them breaking a door

but 1 shouldnt

[radiant hollow]

If devs will not do maybe modders

[silent plinth]

just make them thud on it, maybe they push it open or something i dunno

yeah

[radiant hollow]

There ahould be a channel for suggestion of mod here on the channel

[brisk terrace]

when can we lock windows lol

[silent plinth]

like instead of full on breaking a door, i mean they are pushing their whole body on the door so surely the door would swing ooen eventually

[brisk terrace]

its really annoying when you give zombies the ability to open shit and they just slide on through lol

[silent plinth]

well if u lock the door THEN they would break it

but if its unlocked and a dude is slamming their head on the door its gonna swing open sooner or later

i’ll experiment this gimme 5

[brisk terrace]

lol ok

[silent plinth]

ok so maybe they couldnt

my head hurts

[brisk terrace]

haha

[silent plinth]

but ok two zombies should push a door open when they’re pushing into a door tho

one zombie prob not but two? surely

[brisk terrace]

dont give tis any ideas wtf lol

[silent plinth]

no no

[brisk terrace]

dont we suffer enough ?!😆

[silent plinth]

i will- i mean its better than ur door breaking open because.. one zombie started attacking it overnight and managed to make it explode into scrap wood

wouldnt u rather have an intact door

AND this is good for the new 3d doors

you know?

[brisk terrace]

lol tin can beaded doors

[silent plinth]

would we just wake up one day and see b42 IWBUMS out or would we get heads up

[gritty bridge]

10 minutes away

[spark zephyr]

For B41 and before they just dropped it

[cloud jewel]

nobody can drive my car unless they have a DRI LIC

[vital marsh]

Fillerdoid Nr 5

It's joever guys
Everyone go home.

[silent plinth]

fr? was it on a thursday even lol

i went into the depths of indie stones twitter and found that thye used to stream b41 prerelease

wonder if we’ll get anything like that

[viral oyster]

yeah, I mean, like seriously the door latch/knob would break open before the door

maybe the hinges would get pulled off

[silent plinth]

maybe just doors not… blowing up basically lol

maybe make them fall down? like the hinges break off and the door falls to the ground with the zeds

[viral oyster]

yeah, that makes sense

maybe something like the different ways a tool can break in a zombie in the upcoming build could be implemented for doors breaking

like, doing a similar roll to see how it’d break given the door type, whether it was locked, if it was blocked off, and all that

also a way to move furniture around via pushing instead of having to disassemble them, pick up half of a table into your inventory, then put them on the tile via a context tab

[silent plinth]

yeah i like that

[silent plinth]

u can pick up some stuff

[viral oyster]

that’s long overdue tbh

[silent plinth]

u can pick up chairs, most tables

but not bookshelves, couches?

[cobalt bay]

"hey carl, can you move that table 2 inches to the left for me?"
"oh yeah sure I've got this"

WHY ARE YOU TAKING THE TABLE LEG OFF CARL??

[viral oyster]

yeah but moving a bookshelf or dinner table or a couch to use as a barricade against a window or door shouldn’t involve carpentry skill, disassembly, or picking up an item 20 weight large

[viral oyster]

this

[viral oyster]

or fucking tools

[viral oyster]

into your inventory, then clicking a different menu to put it back down

it should all be about two steps with only your character’s body as a tool

what we have to do now to move a couch against a door is a fine example of pz jank

the current system makes sense for moving a queen sized bed up a flight of stairs

but not for most other things

[silent plinth]

so i did more stuff on IWBUMS release for b41

it was on wednesday so it can happen not on thursdays

and they did tease it a little

with stuff saying a “iwbums” is around the corner in the bloc “zoward” i think i forgot the name

a iwbums is all i need 😔😔

[silent plinth]

exactly

[viral oyster]

moving chairs or coffee tables around by putting them into your inv also makes sense, sometimes

like I can pick up a coffee table and tuck it under my arm and hump it over to where I need it

but for other items it makes way more sense to just push them with your body

[viral oyster]

or characters without any strength points, lol

[brisk terrace]

i think its weird we can do that lol

especially being able to put furniture in backpacks

[viral oyster]

having to use a hand for it would be neat

and pressing space drops it on the tile you’re standing on

you’d use the context menu or character orientation when dropping to set where it’s angled

[cobalt bay]

wait, you can't put 5 chairs into you backpack at home?

[viral oyster]

not context menu

fucking, uhh, yk the tab where you currently need to click to do any of that shit

[brisk terrace]

yeah i think it would make more sense if using primary and secondary to hold items like mattresses n stuff but being able to put them in your backpack no lol thats just weird

[viral oyster]

I’d much rather being able to right click the tile, click on the object on that tile I want, then select which hand I want to hold it in

move with it taking up that hand and weighing my character down then press shove to drop it down where I’m standing with its front facing where my character is facing

that way if you’re attacked with something in your hand you can quickly drop it then do a shove afterwards

[brisk terrace]

thatd be cool

[viral oyster]

two key presses to free your hands and have your hands do something in your defense

instead of having to open your inventory, click the furniture tab, then stand sill long enough to place it proper

otherwise it’s fucking stuck in your hands permanently

and you just have to run

[brisk terrace]

well i mean id hope you would clear the area before attempting to move something like that, kind of like risk vs reward , reward being that you obtained said item you cleared for

[cobalt bay]

it's still odd that I can't just... drop... the fridge I'm carrying

[brisk terrace]

would people abuse that when zombies are following them lol?

[cobalt bay]

possibly? but if you have the system in place where people can push furniture, I assume the zeds would too. plus if you're moving a fridge or something that can't just be shoved, that's a hefty endurance cost

[brisk terrace]

does player built construction strength work for placed items you pick up and drop ?

[cobalt bay]

never looked into it, I doubt it though?

[brisk terrace]

yeah i dunno , someone mentioned it once a long time ago but wasnt sure if it was true or not

[heady kettle]

Look at my name, you'll know

[brisk terrace]

no i dont know lol im dumb

[heady kettle]

SWAT

[brisk terrace]

youre going to be a swat player?

[heady kettle]

I'll be checking SWAT gear out

And vehicles

Once I evaluate their usefulness I'll do some retexturing with them

[brisk terrace]

thatll be fun !

[heady kettle]

To be specific:
Trumbull County Sheriff SWAT (from State of Decay)
Raccoon Police SWAT (from Resident Evil)

[viral oyster]

the swatpack mod mp5 is kinda op and there are frankly way too many swat zombies at police locations for rural areas but I do really like being able to do a glenn and armor up for the hordes

stabproof clothing layered up with other stuff giving you 85% protection doesn’t feel that unbalanced or unrealistic to me, even if it does make random bite deaths way less likely and essentially give you a way to obtain easy mode

[tidal python]

maybe can be balanced by a debuff of moviment and fatigue

[viral oyster]

oh the swatpack clothes make you sweat in winter xD

they also have combat speed and run speed debuffs, but they’re way less than the firefighter suit

[candid nimbus]

Furniture pushing/pulling would be dope for barricading/rearranging. Id be happy just to have the actions triggered in the context menu, and have the direction just based on where you're standing relative to the furniture. One tile at a time is probs fine

[hoary temple]

Actually not sure why that was ever removed all the way back

It was a thing in the old techdemo and early versions before Steam

the meta of pushing around a wheelie bin with your loot in it

[spark zephyr]

The push-pull mechanic in the tech demo was removed because eventually any room that has been touch by zombies was a complete mess, and the furniture looked like it was on ice skating around when it was being pushed

Wheelie bin was dope though

I am sure there was other reasons it was removed but that was always my thought on it when they removed it

[silent plinth]

surely it’ll come back someday

next thursdoid “wheelz”

[shy mauve]

We probably won't see any vehicle changes in early b42

[silent plinth]

i mean we are getting more vehicle models and decals

and car physics on all 64 floors

[shy mauve]

They said that won't come at the start of the build

[silent plinth]

rly?

[shy mauve]

And I don't remember anything about vehicle models and decals

[silent plinth]

penn s. ham company

[shy mauve]

Yeah, that was just a small proof of concept and what is possible

[silent plinth]

theyre basically adding way more vehicles for local buisnesses

[shy mauve]

I mean yeah okay this

[silent plinth]

like we saw a plumbing co. truck, the penn s. ham truck, etc

[silent plinth]

yea but they arent adding a whole new car sadly

[shy mauve]

yeah, doesn't deserve a whole thursdoy lol

Could be part of one tho

[silent plinth]

hope TIS takes note of the stuff i said abt changes to how zombies destroy doors 😔

[shy mauve]

Sorry to drop your expectations, but they most likely won't follow it, and that's even if they actually saw what you said

[silent plinth]

yeah i can still have my dreams tho

[shy mauve]

Of course but know that this is the kind of behavior that usually leads to toxic behaviors against devs lol

"How dare you don't follow what I say", doesn't mean you'll fall in it but some do

[silent plinth]

i just seriously think theres room for improvement, especialy with the new 3d doors, with how zeds destroy them

[silent plinth]

nah i get a no i just like suggesting things lol

im a dreamer

[shy mauve]

And I'm sure they will change how it is handled, you really shouldn't worry about it

[shy mauve]

Just the way you said it "TIS takes note of the stuff I said" is what is deranging

[silent plinth]

i’ve played the game for 3000 hours so i have a lot to suggest lol , i mean everyone has SOME feature they would like in zomboid

[shy mauve]

Of course

And I'm sure they have a fuck ton of shit to work on lol

[silent plinth]

fair enough they got enough in b42 already

[slim mason]

Like horses

[silent plinth]

surely those will come in future b42 builds

[cobalt bay]

smart animals are going to take some time

[silent plinth]

theres prob only gonna be the few animals we’ve seen on release

[slim mason]

The only evidence of horses we have is that weird pic of a player riding a giant rat

[shy mauve]

If they don't ever introduce those, I think it would be a huge miss for the game and the animals

[silent plinth]

the sheep, rats, cows, (did we see pigs?), rabbits, turkeys,

[shy mauve]

wait wat

[silent plinth]

oh yeah lol

[shy mauve]

I think we saw pigs yeah, also chickens

[silent plinth]

oh yea chickens

[shy mauve]

deers too

Don't forgot those

[silent plinth]

those will come release probsbly, but only in future builds will we see aggressive animals like bears and such etc

surely as builds come we get more animals

[shy mauve]

Especially once they have the framework to add those

[silent plinth]

yeah

once they add one animal it gets faster

[shy mauve]

Modders adding lions in the game after 1 week of b42 lol

[silent plinth]

and one smart animal like a dog opens way more

[shy mauve]

Cats that run away from zombies and alert them 👀

[slim mason]

They posted an image of a player riding a rat on twitter as a joke once. But I want to believe that it was the player animation for horse riding

[silent plinth]

we already have a horse mod silly

[shy mauve]

Damn didn't see that, tho I'm fairly recent in the community and wasn't looking to much at the news back then

[slim mason]

https://tenor.com/view/twd-gif-22972094

Literally me in B42

[wise bone]

The dumbest animal: man

[shy mauve]

The horse mod at home:

[brisk terrace]

lol

[silent plinth]

im mostly excited for animals if anything

[brisk terrace]

same

[cobalt bay]

bunker!

[silent plinth]

isnt erosion gonna get a small update ?

[cobalt bay]

LORE!

[silent plinth]

with the new grass n such?

[shy mauve]

Sort of I believe

[cobalt bay]

nothing has been said about it so far

[shy mauve]

Since they are making a years later scenario, I wouldn't be surprised

[silent plinth]

i hope so- erosion feels unfinished

[silent plinth]

ah i forgot abt that

[shy mauve]

They didn't plan to have players survive ages I guess lol

[tough badge]

Love you

[cobalt bay]

no reason to currently, boring af

[silent plinth]

erosion, first off, maxs out in 100 days- the world would not get overgrown with grass in that short lol

and two all it rly does is add cracks and some vines

hopefully it gets a look at in b42

[slim mason]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-and-i-love-you-random-citizen-movies-disney-gif-15389605

[cobalt bay]

it maxes out so fast so that people actually get to see it happen

[tough badge]

Perfect gif

[cobalt bay]

main thing is trees though

[silent plinth]

they gotta live long enough to see it 😁

if. we’re being realistic

[cobalt bay]

it was always an issue of goals. you run out before then

[silent plinth]

i would say like, 5-6 years? until erosion actually is a problem?

at least irl

[cobalt bay]

depends on what you mean by problem. roads will basically stop deteriorating. houses will stay intact for a LONG time

[silent plinth]

well in b42 the whole focus is “late-game” and erosion is, technically, late game.

[cobalt bay]

ye, that's why it hasn't been updated yet

[silent plinth]

i mean ecosystems taking over. maybe deers getting comfortable in cities, maybe bushes growing on roads

ik its impossible but map changes would be SIXK

like a building collapsing or something lol its impossible but it’d be cool

[cobalt bay]

roads last way longer than people realize. cars are the #1 contributer to degradation, weather doesn't even come close. animals might start venturing into cites but there aren't many reasons for them to. no food and all that

[shy mauve]

Technically, everything is possible

Like this idea is definitely possible

[cobalt bay]

100%

[silent plinth]

i mean, how they gonna show a building crumble and fall?

[shy mauve]

Easy to do ? No
Would take some time ? Yeah
Doable ? Absolutely

[silent plinth]

that would mean making all tiles 3d

[shy mauve]

Move the tiles, walls, change them with destroyed ones and shit

Look at how you can find burning buildings

[cobalt bay]

make a couple of support calculations, add a few "broken" tile sprites and after 19 months of dedicated work they'd have an almost functional system!

[shy mauve]

There's nothing stopping you from doing such a system

[shy mauve]

Would probably take less than 19 months to make lmao

Even a modder alone could create it

[cobalt bay]

or add a bunch of occlusion dust

[cobalt bay]

I was being hyperbolic but I think you underestimate the amount of time this would take

[silent plinth]

just the world changing over the years is a way to give the “late-game” more challenge

buildings crumble, droughts, floods, car crashes appear overtime (setting up for b43?)

[shy mauve]

No I don't lmao, I'm 100% sure this is doable within 2 months max of work lol

Any modder with a bit of experience with buildings and shit can pull it off

[silent plinth]

again, its difficult, but it would be so cool

[cobalt bay]

gotcha, so you have no idea the limitations of the current engine. got it

[shy mauve]

I could pull it off, I could definitely pull of a system that makes buildings be a bit deteriorated

[silent plinth]

maybe even just giving tiles a chance to turn into a destroyed version of the tile as the years go

[cobalt bay]

unless you're just making random tiles fall and turn into debris over time this would be a SERIOUS undertaking

[shy mauve]

Limitations ? You can already change tiles, walls and shit
You can keep track of a counter for any building and have it tick down and once it reaches a random amount of time you can set you can start have walls be changed into destroyed ones

[shy mauve]

Well yeah I'm not talking fucking Battlefield level of destruction lmao

Also realistically buildings just don't crumble out of nowhere

[cobalt bay]

I mean the whole topic was buildings falling over

[shy mauve]

They deteriorate very slowly

[shy mauve]

Visually it would most likely not be doable in 2 months no but even that you can pull it off lol, tho my idea of how it would be done would be a bit janky but doable

[cobalt bay]

thats the issue "a bit janky" isn't complete

[shy mauve]

Like literally anything is possible with modding rn, the issue is what tool do you have to pull it off and sometimes it's a bit lacking

[cobalt bay]

for a modder maybe yeah, but not for a base game addition

[vague latch]

I have no expectations for this isometric game to introduce collapsing buildings, but finding collapsed buildings in the Many Years Later scenario would be really neat, like scavenging in The Last of Us

[shy mauve]

yez

Dane already kind of did that with his rework of the vanilla map

with 10 years later

[lone shale]

Speaking of modding, how bout that spotlight

[spark zephyr]

Highly delicious 🍒

[heady kettle]

We are not getting any new vehicle models tho

Decals - yes, but no models

Also the extent of those decals is a big question mark

F.e. we know about "local sheriffs" and such, but only ever saw the KSP and "CLPD" SWAT (both fictionalized)

Also EMS and fire services should also get their own set of liveries imo

I really think that this topic should get more coverage in one of the thursdoids

[fringe flicker]

Can't wait for this month's thursdoid I think that may be the last one before update

[heady kettle]

Definitely not the last imo

[blissful osprey]

yeah it sounded like they still have a decent amout of integration to go

[hallow lichen]

In the sandbox settings, there is a "sadistic AI director" tab now; it was the "meta events" before that change (Idk if it is changed because of a mod)

[south dew]

Changed because of the zuck iirc

They mentioned in a thursdoid needing to find a new name for the meta stuff, even though that's a word with its own meaning

[tribal harbor]

I think the change predated that, unless my memory is faulty. The blog post you're referring to is https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/03/the-zuckerverse

And I definitely remember "sadistic AI director" from well before then, but maybe it was just spoken about elsewhere

[twin iris]

this is the 10 thousandth message

good jbo omar

[spark zephyr]

Isn't the jeep from the last Thursdoid new? https://youtu.be/HZ4ftcmAtCU?si=_cq5JTXarmBIVLPz

[grave void]

I hope that when B42 comes out, someone makes a video that goes through all the new additions, but casually in a playthrough, not simply in compilation style, like heading out to the new towns, camping out in the woods, running from a massive, non-laggy horde, hopping a fence and watching it come down, hunting some deer, coming home to the farm, going fishing at a nearby pond, going down to a basement full of crafting benches, mixing some drinks, etc.

Just to sort of say, "This is Project Zomboid in 2024" in a way that would make people from 2021 go "WOW!"

[twin iris]

omg NON laggy hordes??!

thats incredible

[spark zephyr]

Yea Sadistic AI director aka "The Governor" has been around since the early days

Like 2012/2013 era

[silent plinth]

no, that ones been shown before

its called offroader i believe

its ingame already

[spark zephyr]

Not sure I have ever seen it in game to be honest

[spark zephyr]

[grave void]

It's what controls meta events, like hearing distant gunshots or screams or the helicopter events.

[vague latch]

First heard about AI directors in Left 4 Dead (2008), where the game controls when random events like horde attacks would occur--trying to create a balance between moments of calm & moments of panic.

[tight pine]

Rimworld makes very good use of this sort of system, though the game refers to it as the Storyteller.

And of course it all harkens back to the classic tabletop, with a DM sitting across the table behind a screen, mapping dungeons and rolling up encounters

[spark zephyr]

I mean the jeep, not the Sadistic AI director... I know that one intimately. 😂

[tight pine]

Ah lol

[spark zephyr]

I have a feeling Rimworld's AI director was inspired by PZ

And the devs of PZ said early on L4D was partly inspiration for theirs 😀

[smoky lance]

L4D director AI is a good thing to take inspiration from, seeing as it's like the best thing in that game

[grave void]

What was Left 4 Dead's AI director? Did it control what special zombies show or something?

[fringe flicker]

Kinda yeah

It'd control when and where zombies appear, how many zombies, special zombies and more

And in very very limited capacity it could change the map in 2 I think

[heady kettle]

Oh yeah

That was cool

But calling that "AI director" is kinda weird imo, because it's really just a pile of code

[fringe flicker]

It was pretty advanced for the time

Even these days it felt so natural that most of my friends didn't notice til I told them after I googled it

Plus it's the same type of ai an NPC would have, just a bit more complex

As for the director part, all the L4D and L4D2 levels are based around old cheesy zombie indie flicks, so every level has a movie poster and what not

So he is quote unquote the director

[narrow raven]

All AI is a pile of code

[smoky lance]

It also decides where those zombies would aggro to. For example, if you were doing very poorly, the zombies might be less likely to aggro to you

[cyan blaze]

I mean everything is a pile of code, really 😄
It's called a director similar to how Alien Isolation kind of works. In L4D, (not overly familiar with how deep it goes) there's the director that determines how the game is going, and helps or hinders depending on that. It literally decides on the fly whether next point you need a horde as you're doing far too well, or need some ammo so the game is both challenging, not frustrating, but also not too easy.

Alien Isolation has two AI's, one of them is a director that interacts with the alien. The alien itself never knows where the player is, but the director knows where the player is at all times. I believe the director relays some information, but I can't remember what. It also makes sure that you don't see the alien frequently by knowing when you last saw it etc etc to keep the game interesting and replayable, as well as "man I keep dying at this part because the alien is always there".

[deep gust]

Would be great to see a configurable sandbox option where, once destroyed/burned, tiles and furniture respawn over time. Would make it so we can enable fire and enable disassembling in MP without messing up the map in the long term

[rancid ocean]

God i love ai directors

[vague latch]

The first time I understood "AI" in a gaming sense, someone explained that it's not "Artificial Intelligence" as we've come to know it from media & generative LLMs, but a series of logical decisions meant to make the game fair or challenging.

The best example was managing enemy intelligence/skill in a shooter; you don't want them to have perfect aim and ruin the fun, but you still want a challenge.

"AI Director" is a collective name for all of the decisions the game's code makes on the fly in response to how you're playing; have you been kicking ass? Expect a swarm of enemies. Barely scraping by and haven't healed all round? Enemies might suddenly start shooting as if they're storm troopers.

[heady kettle]

I'd say that's the best description

[vague latch]

❤️ Very simplified, and each game has their own spin, but it gets the point across.

MadDan's point about Alien Isolation is really cool; having 2 directors playing off eachother makes for that much more dynamic gameplay. Sometimes without realizing it, gamers test the boundaries of how the director will respond and meta-game things ("if I spend too long in this hallway, a swarm is likely to attack", "make sure you don't heal until you're ready to fight", etc), but having another system respond dynamically to the first director, it's that much harder to predict.

[smoky lance]

The alien isolation Alien AI is programmed to sweep the halls searching for you, but it never teleports except for specific cutscenes. The director is programmed to try to keep it on task, by passing along general areas like "check the mess hall" every once in a while.
The alien is never told your exact IP address and it isn't told your AO very often. The director is also far more passive, but that's because the alien AI itself is otherwise fairly competent. It serves sort of like a security guard watching the cameras telling the guard on patrol that there's a shoplifter in the mall in a specific store and lazily keeping them up to date

The l4d2 director AI is vastly more involved in every area of gameplay, and this is partly because the game released in 2009 and simply can't afford to run a super competent ai within every single zombie, and doesn't even need to. It serves like a player of an RTS game microing units to determine aggro while also placing just enough supplies to keep players on edge but not out of the game entirely.

[brisk terrace]

that alien made me ragequit last night lol

[main meteor]

randy random, despite being random, has made some of the best stories on my saves

[smoky lance]

Was scrolling down but this is a perfect summation. One thing I always find interesting is the unique decisions the design teams make, to make their games sing the song they're looking for to a T.
AI is less like a tactician thinking like you or I might, and more like a cashier following orders from middle management.
"Sir, I can't sell you that many gift cards. You'll have to take it up with my manager."
"Sir. You've gone for an hour and a half without seeing the alien, I'm gonna have to give it a hint."

[grave void]

A problem with horror games is that the tension often comes from how hard you're struggling just to get by, but that tension can turn to frustration if it's too hard and you're just seeing the jumpscares a whole bunch lol

[main meteor]

f.e.a.r. type horror sweeps

[brisk terrace]

i just get impatient lol

[main meteor]

yeah you've got control over your situation, but shit can still be scary

[smoky lance]

F.e.a.r. is more in the vein of a half life game imo

[brisk terrace]

but i love that ai , such a great game its my favorite ever

[main meteor]

also, s.t.a.l.k.e.r. is peak

TIS agrees on that one

[smoky lance]

It has horror set dressing, and do not get me wrong, it is horrifying at times, but I don't think of it as a horror game

Stalker is 100% peak

[main meteor]

heart of chornobyl is gonna go so hard

[main meteor]

honestly yeah i was having too much fun to be scared

[smoky lance]

The other issue is, the tension is very dependent on player skill, and I think this is true of zomboid as well. Some AI directors try to patch over this as best they can, but a bad player is going to get frustrated eventually. Even a good player in a particularly tough segment will get frustrated.
Please do not mistake this as me saying Skill Issue tho, because it's not just that

[chilly vigil]

!roadmap

[upbeat cypress]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[chilly vigil]

It's close to launch!

AEHOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[smoky lance]

And that's fine, it's the tone they were going for and I guess it's still a landmark game that won many awards and did propel the horror genre forwards in many ways during years where cod and cod clones were all harassing the market

[main meteor]

if u like f.e.a.r., you'll also probably like trepang2

they have a couple of inspirations from f.e.a.r.

[smoky lance]

Wish listed, thank you for the heads up but also why do I never get these good recommendations when I have money

[smoky lance]

It hasn't moved slightly since a month or two ago

[main meteor]

i shill for this game everywhere that i can, it's that good

[silent plinth]

i swear something broke night terrors in this game cuz i havent gotten one in abt a irl year

[lone shale]

You have to go to bed stressed for that to trigger. Not to mention the sandbox option enabled.

You almost have to go out of your way to get one.

[silent plinth]

theres a sandbox option for it??

i play apocalypse

and also- i have fear of blood and smoker so im going to bed stressed enough

[lone shale]

If I recall you also have to sleep for longer than 4 hours.

[rocky hatch]

Nah, I loved the combat in it, but the horror was soo bad. Condemned was way better at making the game actually scary.

[main meteor]

f.e.a.r. ai still triumphs over a lot of modern day triple-a ai

[turbid terrace]

Even with breakable fences will have toggles on sandbox mode, what about them being enabled on survival mode? You know? Hardest mode?

[silent plinth]

do u mean apocalypse mode?? they more than likely will be enabled in apocalypse mode

[cobalt bay]

I'm not sure that option still exists, but it was more for gunshots while you sleep. night terrors are always on

[slim mason]

Isn't apocalypse the intended way of playing the game?

[cobalt bay]

it's only if you're stressed already

[cobalt bay]

it has the "lore accurate" zomboids

[slow swallow]

🇵🇱 LETS GOOOO

[merry rover]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

[grave void]

🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩

[fringe flicker]

me when Indonesian flag

[grave void]

I thought it was the ɥsᴉloԀ flag

[solid pond]

[upper perch]

When? 😦
I want to play it before I go to the military..

[cobalt bay]

few more months, you'll have to play it after basic

[upper perch]

But they said before Juuuune

[cobalt bay]

twas an estimate, not a promise. could still be but dont expect it

[upper perch]

See you in a year then🫡
Maybe then it'll surely come out

[cobalt bay]

tf you gone for a year for

[shy mauve]

They said first half

[turbid terrace]

The only thing i'm wondering is when, we're heading towards mid april, with they do not say when it's going to release next devblog then i'm sure it's coming in june or being postponed

[turbid terrace]

Sorry, i meant apocalypse mode

[cobalt bay]

it's either coming or it's not, yes thats how releases work

[turbid terrace]

They need to release it, i'm dying to play next build and want so bad the npcs, come on bro

[cobalt bay]

SHUT

[brisk terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/silence-of-the-lambs-hannibal-lecter-doctor-patience-good-things-gif-17473846

[shy mauve]

NPCs will most likely take another 2 years at a minimum lmao

[grave void]

They said first half of 2024.
Meaning we have until June 30th, 2024, 11:59:59.99999999999 PM UTC+14:00

[main meteor]

nah there's actually gonna be 24 months in this year

[gritty bridge]

Technically until 2 July because leap year

[main meteor]

so first december 31st 2024 at 11:59:59.9-

[heady kettle]

What country?

[grave void]

Dangit. You right.

[turbid terrace]

NO

[solid pond]

zombies at our windows moaning and groaning actually translates to them saying that they'll eat our livers with some fava beans and a nice chianti

[turbid terrace]

[slim mason]

I'm sure NPCs won't be released before 2026 lmao

[turbid terrace]

;-;

[cobalt bay]

honestly who knows, they've been quietely working on them in the background for a LONG time

[slim mason]

We don't even have B42 yet. They won't release B43 one month after B42

[cobalt bay]

2026 is a bit longer than a month...

[slim mason]

Well... We don't even have a IWBUMS for B42, so full release of B42 is over a year away, judging by B41 release schedule

Maybe the real NPCs were the friends we made along the way

[vague latch]

Regardless of placement on the roadmap, I don't expect NPCs for a while. There's a very wide gap between Minecraft-style NPCs hopping around a village and what the average player will expect from NPC behaviour.

Let's be honest, 95% of people don't sign up for beta tests to actually give beta feedback and help improve the end result-- they just want quicker access to the new content, and will voice their complaints about beta content just as loudly as a regular release.

I imagine a huge issue in making NPCs is a similar issue in maintaining public servers ; "How do you give players the ability to interact violently, while still keeping it fair and fun for everyone".

In the early builds, I didn't fear the walking dead, I feared NPCs literally kicking my door in, sprinting in and murdering me.

[slim mason]

NPCs will either be an absolute disappointment or the most ground breaking NPCs ever made for a videogame. No in-between. Player expectations are too high lol

[brisk terrace]

hoenestly lol , like im iffy about human npcs , i dont want them to steal my stuff and pillage my sector ill cry

[gritty bridge]

I imagine there would be sandbox options for that

[dry lodge]

Same

That would make locks more useful though

And traps

[smoky lance]

Too much hype

If this is the stance everyone takes they will be a dissapointment

[dry lodge]

I tend to set myself up for disappointment

[brisk terrace]

[noble atlas]

What if you can ba a disappointment to them?

[solid pond]

like forgetting to remove the fork from the microwave and burning my base down?

[brisk terrace]

that would just be funny and wouldnt put it past me to be a pz thing lol

[woven warren]

Rock in a blender

[pastel rain]

every now and then i check

[twin iris]

ahe

[grave void]

Wouldn't that be less time than the time between B41's IWBUMS release and B42's IWBUMS release?

[slim mason]

Yes

[spark zephyr]

Gosh I can't wait to disappoint my NPC group

Going to be so much fun

[upper perch]

Russia

[fringe flicker]

Oh

Oh no

[heady kettle]

Welp, then I hope you will come back after a year

[heady kettle]

Just lead a giant horde to them, problem solved

Also, once NPCs are added, it will actually be possible to "play" as a zombie after you die - because the world doesn't stop

Pretty much "this is what happened after you died"

[tribal harbor]

I wonder how NPCs will react in the moment to their loved ones (incl. the player, potentially) dying and becoming zombies

That is, will they immediately try to kill them, or hesitate? Run? Different behavior depending on how much of an immediate threat they are, or different behavior based on personality?

I imagine this question has been considered; looking forward to seeing how it's handled

[upper perch]

It's alright, man, I will. The military service here is mandatory for all male citizens by the Constitution. We have this, mandatory service (don't know what it's properly called in English) and the contract service. All contract servicemen and volunteers go to Ukraine. The people in, I believe it's called reserve, keep on living their lives after serving their country for one year and are only mobilized if it's an all-out war.

[glossy notch]

it's usually called mandatory service but obligatory service means exactly the same thing

[smoky lance]

Wait so, is Ukraine not considered an all out war?

[vague latch]

No, "special military operation" utilizing the extent of the country's military resources.

[smoky lance]

So it's the equivalent of a US "police action" but instead of non-annex annexing some oil country they're just annexing a neighbor

[vague latch]

This probably belongs in general chat, but there's a lot of different facets to consider. Not a bad comparison, though.

[smoky lance]

Not that interested in continuing that discussion further, risks the opinionated getting involved

[vague latch]

Agreed.

In other news, my wife just got hooked on Zomboid-- she's even more excited when I told her that B42 will basically allow us to live out the Primitive Technology youtube channel we watch

[smoky lance]

On the flip side when you get back you'll have full release to look forward to. I'd recommend a steam deck but I think steam stopped selling to Russia for a handful of reasons so the only ones you'd find would be scalped to hell and back

[smoky lance]

An x86 model ayaneo handheld might but I haven't looked into those much

[coarse scaffold]

I would love to see new animations and reactions ❤️

[tribal harbor]

Same, it'd be neat to see an NPC react realistically after I or another NPC die

Instead of the normal gamey “get a negative status/mood buff but continue behaving normally”

[twin iris]

they would scream

attract more zeds, and die

[slim mason]

Rimworld moment

Playing Rimworld set my NPC expectations too high

[dry lodge]

Speaking of rimworld

New dlc this week, hope it's good

[jolly heron]

scp dlc

[dry lodge]

It literally is isn't it lol

Still wish they improved bugs

Insectoids need love like the bots got

[silent plinth]

hoping for more screenshots/videos of the new survivor stories coming in B42

[vague latch]

1.5 has some decent improvements, I've been enjoying the hell out of it!

[dry lodge]

Oh yeah if anything I heard that was a great improvement

Did it already come out?