Leapdoid

[gleaming lark]

Actually I think as a proof of concept I like that pixelated look, but I'd rather it be handmade

[upper spade]

personally speaking I just wish Brita's spawning system wasn't so absolutely illegible. In theory it could be really useful but at the same time it just doesn't seem to properly work?

the mod itself is pretty baller but actually getting around to using it in a server setting is CBT since the gun spawn controls are practically useless

[gleaming lark]

Oooo

[upper spade]

But hey who knows maybe with the new guncode update we'll get something more usable. Though I do kind of wish firearms had more depth in PZ by default.

[gleaming lark]

Check this out

I like this look

[quiet hazel]

i dont

[upper spade]

That wouldn't upscale very well unfortunately

[quiet hazel]

the mouth looks weird

[gleaming lark]

Okay well this is just some random app

But it looks more fitting

That's why I want it made manually by the artist

Not some random website

[quiet hazel]

what do you mean lol

isnt it hand drawn

[gleaming lark]

As pixels

I just took a picture and put it through a filter

See it's not the change of moodle, but how smooth it is

Guess I'll just do it myself as a private little mod

New gun

Maybe a spas 12 will be added and I won't need vfe

[vale aurora]

how tf is that an ak
an sks maybe but an ak doesnt have a wooden dust cover and reciever lol

[gleaming lark]

Frogski

What do you think of the pixel moodles I posted above

[shut obsidian]

There are better pixelators out there

[vale aurora]

defo dont work sorry

[solemn berry]

Can we get a separate chat for moodle chat or something

[magic fractal]

Now that you say this

[solemn berry]

Moodoid

[magic fractal]

I may be mentally challenged

[gleaming lark]

So you'd rather have the smooth ones?

[gleaming lark]

Yeah

[vale aurora]

its ok we accept you as you are

[gleaming lark]

Just a proof of concept

[magic fractal]

I'm gonna delete it just in case

[solemn berry]

You know what I thinks funny and I can imagine nasko has stomach knots from it. Last time we said the thursdoid was a bit short. This time they put loads in and people will only discuss one tiny part of it

[magic fractal]

Because people are strange

[solemn berry]

I can imagine nasko has gone through 5 keyboards banging his head

[quiet hazel]

Right lol

[wise ingot]

It does, when you use it your character is hurt a lot

[limpid plank]

Spot on

[solemn berry]

I always remember you saying you can't wait to retire and it makes me laugh

[gleaming lark]

Not my fault there a disconnect

Sure it's a hyperfocus but its still a change that can be discussed

Mainly cuz the rest of it is great and I have nothing to add

[quiet hazel]

[solemn berry]

I just think it's funny, you can discuss whatever

I just like knowing that we have a month of this one discussion

[quiet hazel]

Lol

[frigid thistle]

Everyone talking about the moodles and no one mentioned that long table in the bunker

Do they come in different colours? I need a black one for my meeting room

[terse cliff]

cars are whacc

[gleaming lark]

Okay I think I see the problem

I'm not giving enough compliments for the good things

Cuz yes everything listed in the leapdoid is great and I love it

I just think I like the pixel look of current moodles and wanted them reflected in new ones

That fair?

[slender furnace]

I was thinking just this after reading and seeing the moodles are still under discussion

Like, hello? There are more important things to discuss, like, say... rotation of placed items on another axis

[frigid thistle]

What? That wasn't on the thursdoid

[slender furnace]

Fr though I enjoyed the blog post & it's a shame only one thing is being discussed

[slender furnace]

Well hopefully it'll be on the next one (it was a joke bc I bring that up often)

[frigid thistle]

Like horses

[solemn berry]

No next one has two new moodles

[slender furnace]

And everyone will scream immediately

[frigid thistle]

Remember when people were angry about the overly complicated orange juice machine? Lol

[quiet hazel]

such a small thing to get hung up on , i hardly pay attention to them half the time , like i said i pay attention to my health window more

[slender furnace]

It was kinda funny reading the blog bc ig I read it a bit slower than everyone else who was on at first, because I saw them, thought “huh, not my cup of tea but nice to see UI updates” and then opened this to see the moodle apocalypse

[zinc solstice]

Makeship plushies of the new moodles wen? I love them

Monetize the drama

[quiet hazel]

think i only really look at those moodles is when i need to sleep but am in pain?

[solemn berry]

We're not dicking on you personally, your thoughts are valid, it just those thoughts are shared by a lot and clogging up the thread a bit

[terse cliff]

[quiet hazel]

im excoited for the can slicer

[gleaming lark]

Oh is that what that is

[quiet hazel]

i dunno lol , looksl ike it but im not sure

[limpid plank]

canopener

[quiet hazel]

yay

[shut obsidian]

Is this a preview of a whole new "close-up view" in PZ UI?

[quiet hazel]

its from the blog im sorry but i dont understand what you mean

[shut obsidian]

They put that screenshot along with mentioning a new table crafting system. Was wondering if that was a preview of the "table" view

[gleaming lark]

Interesting

[solemn berry]

I thought it was a wrench

[gleaming lark]

How will we learn to craft it

[solemn berry]

Google

[gleaming lark]

Perhaps biofuel is possible after all 😏

[solemn berry]

I think I have a biofuel mod currently

[ruby thistle]

I was wondering about the crafting change where you have to more stuff on a surface
will sitting on the ground let you craft said items?

[shut obsidian]

With all the new recipes, I don’t think the skill book system will work for everything. I had the idea of putting a lot of skill unlocks behind the new media they’re adding like books and vhs. Like you watch a Mad Max type movie and there is an RNG chance of learning post-apocalyptic armor or something

[solemn berry]

I can't see why not but unsure

[magic fractal]

That's just the modelling enviroment, I'm fairly sure

[gleaming lark]

Ehhhh I don't think that would work lol

Not. Unless it's a show that teaches you

[vernal cargo]

hi leapdoid chat

"moodle"

later

[solemn berry]

Well mad max style armour probably doesn't need to be learned given it's a freestyle jury rigged kind of thing

But more refined armour definitely would need to be

[gleaming lark]

But wpold you need a movie for that

[solemn berry]

No probably books

A history of medieval weapons and armour, roman armour etc etc

[gleaming lark]

See I'm still not sold on medieval armor

I can see scrap armor though

[frigid thistle]

Don't use it then? I understand complaints about core elements of the game but that's just like endgame firefighter gear lol

[gleaming lark]

That's a pretty silly rebuttal

I think we can discuss the balance of something

But it hasn't been revealed yet so

[slender furnace]

I think it'd be feasible for someone to create, given resources and expertise

Might not be balanced, but at that point presumably there'd be a lot of time put into creating it. Wouldn't expect to just find it. If the balance is a concern I think the issue would be making zombies more of a threat in some way

[gleaming lark]

And I'm not taking like plate armor or something

[burnt valley]

Judging by the messages we will get sporfo variants for the moodles?

[gleaming lark]

Heh

That would be great

[unreal pagoda]

eh even if there's no option to change to legacy moodles, someone will make a mod for it, there's already a mod called Moodle framework currently for medicine effects

[terse cliff]

i mean- i would more call it "nonsensical fantasy post apocalypse" armor maybe

like its always big and clunky and seems to weigh a shit ton with needless doo-dads and extras plus a shitton of spikes for no reason other than to have spikes

i mean can you imagine you accidentally trip and impale yourself on your own shoulder spikes?

v. possible

[frigid thistle]

I know... I never use armour in the game and I think the whole combination of firefighter gear with bulletproof vests is silly, but I still appreciate having the options. If my character is a master blacksmith, what's stopping me from making medieval armour?

[jade bear]

I wouldn't mind it too much, my main hope rn is that heavy/protective clothing can have more advantages than they do currently while haivng plenty of disadvantages. So there'd be more incentive to wearing them

Which thankfully it seems like they'll be going in that direction judging by the tid-bits we've seen in the blog.

Cause right now it's better to just not wear much of the protective clothing when you properly know combat and can avoid damage.

[gleaming lark]

I'm sorry I'm being kinda mean

In the end I love the game

[crisp matrix]

Tbch, they do kinda look like vector art from a cheap free-to-play mobile game.

[ruby thistle]

arent we bored of the moodle discussion yet? its been a solid 24 hours

[lethal spade]

And it was already as dumb as sh*t back then

[crisp matrix]

💩
Fair enough, NasKo.

[crisp matrix]

Oh sorry, I just rejoined the discussion.

[crude lily]

I dont get the issue with the moodles either

[crisp matrix]

In any case, I'm more excited about potential MP banditry systems! Covering your face to hide your username! I can't even begin to imagine how they were able to connect the older, spaghetti-code clothing system to the MP system!

[crude lily]

the potential firearm changes had me hyped

[barren vault]

i dislike the moodles but it doesnt reaaallly matter because there will ALWAYS be a mod for everything

[crude lily]

Seeing that new in game menu to change values on the fly is huge too

[lethal spade]

As an RP player, this is potentially really big with maybe some ways to be abused.

[crisp matrix]

Uhhh. I'm not a modder so I skipped that part. But congrats, I guess?

[crisp matrix]

They mentioned that admins will have the ability to set a toggle to see the usernames of masked players.

[frigid thistle]

I'm a modder but I didn't understand that part

[lethal spade]

Yeah… on just a PVP server that’s fine. On an RP server where banditry should add to the story, not just be a loot grab, that’s just not enough to stop abuse.

[jade bear]

Same, especially cause Fenris is the guy working on it.

[golden silo]

You're more of a mapper then

For code mods that shit's gonna be fire

They say it'll be debug only but it's gonna be unlocked pretty quick

[frigid thistle]

Yeah, but I thought it was a funny thing to say lol

[golden silo]

Gonna foresee them investing time into making that into an on the fly mapping tool too

Even if just in the form of a sort of creative mode

Regardless, can't wait to play with it

[lethal spade]

Imagine if when an Admin turns “Disguise Mode” on that there’s a sub setting for “Alias Required”. When Alias is on, masking up doesn’t just hide your Player Name but instead switches it to your Alias. That’s what I’d like to see.

[jade bear]

I can't wait to see what type of map mods we get out of these map making improvements

[crude lily]

the PVP animation rework mention is gonna be nice too

well its probably not as much as a rework as more of a tweak to eliminate the stunlocking

[strange flame]

animations look awesome

[frigid thistle]

Hundreds of new bunkers, that's for sure

[lethal spade]

Stunlock sucks so bad. Glad they’re working on that and desync.

[crisp matrix]

Now THAT sounds like a system ripe for abuse.

[crisp matrix]

Can't wait for an improved PVP melee combat system!

[strange flame]

i wonder how theyre gonna change the hit animations for pvp

[lethal spade]

A single Alias, that can never be changed. That way you can’t hide your crimes behind Anonymous

[crisp matrix]

I think you can set an indirect alias through the face coverings you wear.

[lethal spade]

I understand… a style. On the other hand, you can just keep changing your style. Unfortunately, abuse is attempted even on RP servers with very strict rules. Sometimes having something built in is better than the honor system.

[lethal spade]

Speed them up? Make them shorter? Completely remove them, lol?

[balmy quail]

def gonna be taking some of that crafting gear when going to this Wild West tourist attraction

[frigid thistle]

I'm just going to take a hat

Maybe a horse...

[lost cove]

it looks like a movie set

[balmy quail]

will also take a raccoon hat with me

[lucid quail]

I've got 3 criticisms of the new moodles, 1. colours, especially on the new zombified one are off, dunno why just are. 2. Judging off the zombie one, they're not going to do headshapes hat exit the perfect circle of the original emoji. In the old zombie one the open jaw extends past the jaw and that helps give it character. 3. Too much detail, like the juices and shading, I'm not saying they're bad just it pushes it just a little too far away from simple, as the moodles should be since they're tiny anyway. No hate to the artist and I trust that when we get the full set and see them implemented it'll work out just fine

Anyway, forgetting about the moodles, the basement update looks sick as hell

I am very excited for pitch black basements and rooms

Like can't see your own hands infront of you dark, would give lights a purpose lol

[vagrant sonnet]

Night vision goggles maybe?

Super small vision cone but you can actually see

[lethal spade]

I’m no artist but I have stared at PZ for roughly 5,000 hours. I think the new moodles look great and can’t wait for these and more graphical changes.

[lethal spade]

That basement crawl looked nail bitingly tense

[lost cove]

lets hope we could make some raccoon hats in build 42 after killing a raccoon

[balmy quail]

and actual Spiffo burgers

[wise ingot]

Did you design that lol ?

[cold bane]

so a spiffo hat

[cold bane]

no sir

[upper spade]

Yeaah, I was expecting more discussion on like, bunker/basement stuff or the MP enhancements

or yknow the mf gun rework..

[cold bane]

i’m happy that devs are stubborn about moodles cuz i want them

[lucid quail]

Okay this one is fire

[quiet hazel]

awh

mashers

[cold bane]

bruh just play the game squinting ur eyes at this point😭

[quiet hazel]

i love it

[crude lily]

Im pretty sure when the moodle thing calms down then those conversations will be had

[robust iron]

I mean we spent the last month or so discussing how cool the bunkers are and from what I saw the leapdoid basically confirmed that

I don't really have anything to add beyond like

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-double-thumbs-up-like-agreed-yup-gif-14284264219182206721

[gleaming lark]

its already known these things are being added

thats why the discussion is on the moodles

[quiet hazel]

who excoited for house plants

[gleaming lark]

hahaha okay i do like the crying one

im not; too much work to deal with

guess this isn't the only place discussing the moodle changes lol

[robust iron]

But the gun rework sounds amazing. Actually being able to shoot at low level and hit shots without needing Exactly One Specific Shotgun and an entire fuckin horde so that your bullets can't miss so you can level up your gun skill enough to use other guns, that sounds cool

[gleaming lark]

wait is that an official art

the depressed moodle?

[robust iron]

I hope it gets officially added

[upper spade]

same thing because it will force gun mod authors to actually unify their shit likely

[robust iron]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-funny-laugh-gif-11964564

[upper spade]

(atleast, to use the vanilla system)

[fringe wing]

ok this moodle is peak

[upper spade]

Unfortunately not having native support for attachments will probably cause a few to still make their own hodgepodge nonsense but having unified scripts for fire control and such now will probably make things atleast cleaner

[robust iron]

Not even. People will disagree with vanilla at every turn and base their gun mods on total overwrites just as much, it's just a question of if you install a mod at all

Rather than which ones

[upper spade]

Which is unfortunate because having a unified platform would make adding new gun mods infinitely easier

[crisp matrix]

Was it confirmed that the bunker we saw in the video here was actually something on the map that we can visit?

[lucid quail]

Yep made by the artist themselves

[fringe wing]

yes

[frigid thistle]

Kinda sure that's already in the game

[gleaming lark]

its great art, it just feels different

but i do like the sad one

[crisp matrix]

Do we have a confirmation on where?

[fringe wing]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/10/cellar-door-doid/

scroll down a significant amount

[balmy quail]

well then it must be as rare as the nuclear biochemical mask or a cold pack. I have yet to find one

[crisp matrix]

I mean, that bunker looked like it's own building, not a basement.

[fringe wing]

there may be a bunker or two idk i dont work for indie stone

[balmy quail]

about the bunker, my guess is that it'll def be in this area (the military base west of Rosewood)

or somewhere on the outskirts of March Ridge

[wise ingot]

The lack of Military Zombies in this screenshot makes me think it won't be in the miltary base

[robust iron]

My guess is somewhere between current map and the wild West attraction

[balmy quail]

what about these screenshots of the inside of the bunker? No military outfitted zombies either, but there are army ham radios and just the way the interior was designed indicates a or the military base (along with the clothing)

[gleaming lark]

The real question

Are we getting 4k of penis ham

[quasi beacon]

🤣

Congrats on the first and probably last worthy question about emotes.

[quiet hazel]

Ask lol

I wan 4k penisham!!!!!

[gleaming lark]

You should ask nasko I think he's had enough of my shenanigans

[quiet hazel]

No lol , im not allowrd to ask for things

[gleaming lark]

Not after the incident?

[quiet hazel]

Dares go first no tag backs

[gleaming lark]

They should have used thr depressed moodle for the thursoid I kinda like that one

I guess I better finish my current zomboid before the next update

[quiet hazel]

Whats sheep boxit

[gleaming lark]

We can pick up and place sheep like furniture

[gleaming lark]

I neeeeed box trap trait

[ruby thistle]

that implies the existence of a non crop farmer

which seems weird for a starting occupation, since previously the only thing besides raw skill level in farming was disease cures

[quiet hazel]

But diy!!!

I shall make furniture for sheep n puff pals

[lucid quail]

If you go back many thursdoids in one of the images showing off the new cars, one of the vans is a tile laying van calls Penn's tiles, with tiles placed the same way as the penis ham

[cedar kernel]

im really glad to see firearms are finally getting some much needed attention. ||but the new moodles are dogshit||

[zinc mesa]

take a look at the bag that is carrying the zombie w a raccon hat

[floral harness]

i think they objectively look good, but don't fit in with zomboid, as the other ui elements in the game are pixelated (traits, occupations, item icons, etc.)

unfortunately it seems that the devs aren't really taking anyone's opinions on this seriously

maybe they'll give the new moodles a once-over and they'll look better in game though, we'll see

[zinc mesa]

idc about the new moodles, i just want to have an actually good lategame

the vast majority of complains that my friends bark about (and a large part of internet) about PZ is always about the graphics. So i can actually understand those art changes in the moodles

[floral harness]

the graphics are the least of this game's problems

a change in the moodles is warranted, but not one that looks drastically different from the rest of the game's artstyle

[floral harness]

a "better" end game will only extend the time until you get bored

it's a sandbox game

you're supposed to do whatever

[lucid quail]

Yes but it goes from getting to a self sustaining end game in 20 hours with nothing left to do to possibly near infinite gameplay

If the system works the way we all think it does even the most skilled players will log hundreds of hours in a save and die before they complete everything

[visual plover]

eh, the only thing devs can do to make game interesting in late game is actually nerf stuff that you can find in a house

like nearly no food that can't spoil and more food that spoils

that way players will be able to survive in the first days but have to actually be worried about food

also make a system that can fuck up stuff you're making, like zombies finding your base, crops getting more deseases

making problems in the late game for players basically

[rain mango]

100%, if everything goes super well the game just gets kinda boring. But the indie stone should be very careful with how they implement this

[visual plover]

^ yeah, I think I have a good idea how to implement it

I think the best way is to add frequent, but not serious problems.

altrough I have no idea what those problems can be except bad weather, crop deseases

maybe they should make temperature system more serious

how good room temperature system is made?

imagine if you have to be ready before autumn by making atleast wooden house with furnace inside to warp yourself up

also that leads me into idea of different deseases you can get, from flu to something serious

and you have to find special medicaments for those deseases

[balmy quail]

for crops iirc one of the Thursdoids mentioned us having to deal with slugs and snails. And considering they’ll likely be adding raccoons to the game, I’m sure Spiffo will come around and mess with some of our crops too. Also, deer and rabbits will be sure to come after our crops. I believe another Thursdoid showcased rat poison so rats will likely be contaminating our food supply

[pastel niche]

was anything new about the b42 release in the leapdoid post?

[visual plover]

It will be released this year.

No more info.

[autumn raven]

!roadmap

[peak salmon]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[lone prism]

I was skeptical at first too but I actually think the new moodles are growing on me
Probably again they just look weird because we've been used to these pixelated ones for so long

And they obviously won't look as odd when they're just small icons in the corner instead of the big images we're seeing

[visual plover]

sadly they didn't show us what they would look in game, can't say pixelated would be better because haven't seen smooth ones in game

[lone prism]

Maybe not a great example but the players and zed models too used to look more pixelated, so these new ones seem fitting to what we now have

[lone prism]

yeah mayb

[floral harness]

yeah, you're right - it's not a good example

because the ui and player textures are still pixelated as ever (if a bit higher res) despite character models being 3d

[lone prism]

fair enough

[lyric wadi]

These are just renames of Handyman and Farmer to be more accurate.

[sharp turret]

New zombie moodle is too clean. Might aswell add some blood and grit to it✌️

[hard pelican]

Everytime the moodle discussion dies, someone needs to sacrafice himself and make another post about it

[zinc mesa]

yup, i'd prefer gameplay changes rather than graphic changes

[limpid plank]

I am not sure who you think is making moodles, coders or artists

Let alone that some of these were made years ago and only had slight touchups

[zinc mesa]

yes ik that there are artist on the company, so they've got some work to do. What i really meant is that i do not use to give importance to graphics and the overall art and esthetic and all those things in videogames, i know that they are important, but the games that i fell in love with (yikes) are mostly cause they've got amazing and deep mechanics

anyway, i wonder if indie stone will someday a cherry pie to the game

just like an easter egg, with a very low rate of spawn

[floral harness]

an easter egg to what?

[jovial saffron]

to the indie stone's logo

[floral harness]

oh, right

the pie slice already exists as an item

[balmy quail]

there’s a TIS shirt with the pie logo on it

[crude lily]

Speaking of cherries, are there any plans to add fruit trees in the future?

[sinful magnet]

I think they said it would be too long to grow them, unlike vegies

[ruby thistle]

With all the proc gen they were talking about for forests I feel like itd make sense to make fruit trees randomly spawn in the world already

[crude lily]

Well we don't need to grow fruit trees from scratch, since the devs mentioned that a huge deal about b42 is years of long term, some seasonal fruits would be cool

And I think they'd help with visuals, fruit trees that are blooming look very pretty

And it's sounds perfect for the farming overhaul, even if we can take saplings and grow them

[ruby thistle]

I suppose somewhat related, but did they mention if they were gonna revamp erosion? Kinda silly how fast saplings start popping up compared to the rest of the erosion which is reasonable

[solemn berry]

I don't think any of the farming is realistic, same with trees which regrow when cut down so that shouldn't be a problem

[sinful magnet]

True, actually

[lone prism]

I like this idea
Even if It'd take extra time and effort to grow them It'd pay off well

[dapper verge]

i hope we get some nice blossoming trees

[ruby thistle]

one of b42s changes is realistic growth times for crops. which is why i was wondering if the same is gonna apply to erosion

[solemn berry]

I thought it was just realistic seasons for crops

[ruby thistle]

"Farming will become better than ever with more advanced crop farming and new crops, all of which can be tweaked in the sandbox options.

Crops now take a realistic amount of time to grow before they can be harvested. Crops also feature realistic growing seasons, with optimal months to plant your crops, as well as ones where they are doomed to failure. Attempting to grow anything other than houseplants indoors will also be doomed to failure."

[gleaming lark]

See idk about realistic

That sounds like it's making farming less viable

And most people already hate farming

[ruby thistle]

eh you dont even really have to farm in game as is with the stock options
theres so much non perishable food

making farming more realistic appeals to the people that would be reducing canned food loot rates

plus more preservation options should make farming better

[gleaming lark]

Unless you play on incredibly rare

Then farming and other renewable items becomes necessary

Just depends on how long we are talking here I guess

[ruby thistle]

thats what I meant
farming is going to require more foresight and preparation than as is where you can grow a ton of shit inside a warehouse, which i think should be fun.

[ruby thistle]

looking it up on google and comparing it to the old ones should give you a good comparison, it doesnt seem like previous crops were sped up in a consistent manner though. so some are getting very nerfed and some not as much

[jolly trout]

So good

[gleaming lark]

i guess on the bright side some things that have seeds like potatoes and onions can be planted out of the bag so thats neat

[ruby thistle]

my character will become wario and subsist on garlic alone

[thorn mango]

why is the indie stone PIE in red

its scary

[zinc mesa]

but it has a heart on the logo

[nimble cedar]

Yo wtf this is CLEARLY a ripoff of my icon redraw. Adding visible tears to the eyes? Preposterous smh my head (shaking my head)

[tranquil shale]

i'm having a heart attack

i swear the first b42 mods will all be about removing the new moodles for the old ones

[frigid thistle]

We still talking about the moodles?

[lost cove]

its nice to see new occupation names for build 42

just need fire officer to renamed to Firefighter.

[gleaming lark]

i realize now that pixel graphics for items are still in

based on that brain post and some other ones

so i will stop being a fool

[zinc mesa]

your drawings

r amazing

[hard pelican]

moodles moodles moodles moodles moodles

[lost cove]

if only we had a positive moodles for being hydrated or moodle for healing.

[foggy flame]

cause their butttttttt

[foggy flame]

me and my buddy already made a mod for this

should work if modding doesn’t change at all just waiting on B42 release to drop on steam and nexus

[limpid plank]

Don't ping me for this shit anymore dude

Getting annoying at this point

[foggy flame]

i didn’t think i pinged anyone? my bad

[dreamy sandal]

hey man it’s not very respectful to curse to your server members >n<

[lost cove]

noice

[dreamy sandal]

i love project zomboid

[foggy flame]

me too

[lost cove]

Project zomboid we trust

[foggy flame]

the statement “we’re changing moodles to stray away from the pixel artstyle” than they make all the new icons pixelated is a little funny to me

[lost cove]

making it more cartoony instead lol

[foggy flame]

i think they just wanted to change them for gits and shiggles and then when they saw all the backlash made up an excuse

[limpid plank]

That's a take and a half

[foggy flame]

uh huh

[limpid plank]

Totally no track record of us saying this

[dreamy sandal]

they’re not that pixelated they look very clip art like

[foggy flame]

moodles and spiffo are like the soul of your game

[lost cove]

cant wait to survive winter in PZ once those animals are added.

[foggy flame]

why change them

[dreamy sandal]

which isn’t bad they don’t look bad at all they look good but they won’t fit unless every texture changes to fit that if that makes sende

[dreamy sandal]

change can be good 🤷🏽 pz is advancing ig you could say so the moofles could do

[crude lily]

Theyre being changed, because as the graphics are moving from being pixelated to higher resolution textures, the new moodles are to match the new visuals

[dreamy sandal]

^^

[foggy flame]

i have never made this face when i am anxious but i have put my hands on the side of my head and went “shiettt”

[limpid plank]

I'm not going to repeat myself lol, this convo is going nowhere, it's just turning in circles. Look up my previous replies and then either take it or leave it.
I don't think there's anything for me to add

[crude lily]

AND theyre being remade to help match the UI scaling for higher resolution monitors

[foggy flame]

i don’t understand, are we not allowed to talk about the new moodles anymore?

[dreamy sandal]

this isn’t even bad, there are ppl in this world that make this face when they’re anxious

[limpid plank]

I don't understand, did you not literally just ask me a question and I'm merely answering it by saying I already gave our reasoning 😄

[foggy flame]

ok sorry

[dreamy sandal]

bru you made it cry wth

[foggy flame]

sorry answer was unclear to me i get what your saying now though

[dreamy sandal]

this is basically the answer

[crude lily]

theres also the obvious bit that if the new moodles are making enough people not like them, there will garuntee be a mod for b42 that reverts them

[limpid plank]

I'm not saying you can't talk about it, I'm saying there's really nothing for me to say that I haven't already said.

[foggy flame]

if it makes you any less upset your grafiti easter egg is my favorite nasko

[dreamy sandal]

doesn’t even have to be a mod why not just include a “legacy moodles” option in settings

[limpid plank]

I'm not upset, I just don't want to be pinged about yet another moodle convo hahah

[dreamy sandal]

hey it’s okay.

[foggy flame]

my apologies, i forgot that the ping on reply was on by default on my phone

[crude lily]

thats if the devs want to add that as an option

[dreamy sandal]

mods pls add that as an option

[crude lily]

by far they have added that option to several parts of the game as well, so I dont see them not adding that option

[foggy flame]

i’ve alr made the mod with my buddy

[dreamy sandal]

delicious

[foggy flame]

in it we added progressive stuff too, so stage 1 2 3 and 4 of your moodles all have slightly different icons that still fit the original style

[crude lily]

At least this isnt like that one thursdoid showing off all of the machines and everything thinking the games gonna be like factorio

[dreamy sandal]

love

[foggy flame]

off topic

but boy am i excited for the new POI’s

abandoned orphanage gonna be my base spot every SP save and the wild west town im gonna have hella duels in while i play PVP servers

[terse cliff]

grugg no like when thing change

make grugg sad, confused, make grugg angry

Change is bad, Grugg no like at all.

[quiet hazel]

[terse cliff]

Most all new-moodle complaints just boils down to :

"I played PZ for a long while, I dont like them being changed because its not the PZ i remember"

two months later, noone will remember
or have already long installed mods to change them back

so its whatever

[crude lily]

its just opinions, nothing wrong with that

[tranquil shale]

i will 100% keep the old moodles

AND NO ONE WILL STOP ME

[radiant pilot]

gee how could i be different

[gleaming lark]

yeah ive calmed a little

i like the depressed one

[frigid thistle]

Are mappers going to get their hands on the new mapping tools and tiles right after the first unstable release or is it going to take some time? 🤔

[iron shale]

When you need to

|| Fire in da hole!! ||

[vagrant cloak]

People talking about the soul of the game.... yummy, I eat souls for breakfast

[lethal spade]

After 1000’s of hours, I’d appreciate any graphical / design changes they add. Sure, the complaints are the opinions of others but these days people attribute a bit too much weight to their own opinions. One person just said that the soul of PZ is a bunch of icons that only appear sometimes and a mascot that’s just a stuffed animal. It’s an opinion, sure, but how can that be taken seriously?

[lost cove]

if build 42 releases before GTA 6 this would be good and until GTA 6 finally releases I wont be playing some project zomboid for a while

[terse cliff]

Yknow that in the same text you both critiqued people having opinions then proceeded to put yours above others in the first few words right?

[lethal spade]

If you read it that way

[limpid plank]

Uh

Isn't it safe to say GTA6 isn't coming to PC before 2026?

[lethal spade]

Yes

[lethal spade]

Hasn’t it already been stated that B42 is coming in 2024?

[limpid plank]

Yeah trying to wrap my head around the statement lol

Not sure if it was just worded wrong 😄

[lethal spade]

I don’t know about others but, even though I play and admin on servers, I’m gonna go unstable release ASAP. I won’t be waiting until after GTA6 or whatever.

I’m really excited that I can’t even decide what I’m most excited for in B42.

[terse cliff]

Im excited for my beloved bows i keep mentioning ad nauseam because im a massive sucker for post apolypse archery

[lethal spade]

Have they been shown yet?

[lost cove]

hunting wild animals with bows are going to be excellent even killing zombies.

[gleaming lark]

i like bows

[lost cove]

I would like to see a thursdoid where the developers show us the bows in combat against animals and zombies.

[lethal spade]

And other players

[lost cove]

hopefully some naturally spawned bows will appear so we dont have to craft them right away.

could imagine other types of books and recipes magazines to help out with new skills.

[frigid thistle]

I'm 100% sure there's also going to be modern bows and crossbows in hunting places

[lost cove]

with bows and crossbows the arrows and bolts could be reused after killing a zombie or animal.

elder scrolls allows us to reuse the arrows off of enemies we kill.

[lethal spade]

The MP team is working on stunlock and desync. We know you can track animals. Imagine if people also leave tracks for a while and being able to track and hunt them down. Sorry… I play RP servers so my imagination just goes.

[terse cliff]

@lethal spade let me guess
You played on Project Antag

[lethal spade]

Is that a real server name or no?

[terse cliff]

It is
You just seem v. Focused on PVP, that's the one place I know that does RP and PvP although i never have nor WOULD play on that tbh

I know near to no PVP RP Servers. Not my nieche. Player tracks would be annoying- so much work to erase...

[lethal spade]

Lol. I hate PvP in PZ and never engage in it. However, with improvements, it could add to RP a lot.

[terse cliff]

I don't think so to be honest.

Like maybe, here and there, but even if it was the most solid thing it possibly could be, RP featuring frequent loads of PVP just tends to unravel like a yarn ball tossed down a flight of stairs

[lethal spade]

I didn’t say “frequent loads of PVP”. Why would that be desirable?

[terse cliff]

I don't know
It just seemed to me like you were pretty focused on it

[lethal spade]

That’s your assumption. Again… I’ve only engaged in PVP maybe 3 times in about 4,000 hours of multiplayer.

Don’t know how I could be “pretty focused on it” when I mentioned it once, lol.

[crude lily]

Dont forget for the eventual PvE against human AIs, its not bad to think of how combat that isnt against zombies can be improved

[thorn mango]

guys why are u upse about new moodles they look fine

[rocky night]

ngl guys I'm more excited for build 42 than gta6.

also these moodles are happening b/c they need to. like who's to say the first iteration of 4k friendly moodles is going to be the last

[floral harness]

🤣

i knew the moodles reminded me of something

[fringe wing]

cant wait to see the new

like actually, the current is old

really old

so old that the pixels on the emote are blurry

[golden flower]

how do you guys feel about the crafting-on-a-surface thing? I feel like it'd be really good if they allowed you to craft stuff while sitting as well as while standing near a surface

use the floor as a surface y'know

[wet yacht]

I need some help wrapping my head around the aiming part of the rebalance, will I be able to hit a zombie less painfully at aiming level 0? I know the penalties from shooting go down as you level up aiming/reloading of course, but will I finally be able to get a clean hit on a zombie as a low level?

[balmy quail]

the way I understood it was that the chances to get a clean hit on a zombie as a low level does seem to have increased to some extent, but it'll depend on more factors than before like lighting and certain traits and strength. Also have to take into consideration our characters panicking, moving while aiming, etc..

[kind light]

I think this was the important factor in the reaction received 😅 I'm fairly certain they will look wonderful once they're implemented in the game.

The community reaction was a bit immature in my opinion. I hope none of it was taken to heart by the devs. 🤍

What y'all don't take into account is that some additions to the game don't exist in a vacuum.

The devs have clearly hinted that this is a necessary upgrade for other things to follow that they don't want to reveal just yet.

And because of the 'feedback' received, it might just get scrapped. Everyone loses in the end.

It's one thing to give "community feedback", another to make memes about, and mock a developer's work. It's downright cruel.

Guy. If you feel this passionately about it, and you acknowledge that you are a vocal minority, simply make mods that keep the old moodle style, or ask someone to make it.

Mods exist.

[zinc mesa]

what easter egg? i've never seen it

[zinc mesa]

me too, honestly

[wet yacht]

Thank you!

[jade bear]

Here's the graffiti, you can see a bunch of team members names on buildings around the map.

or as the name of some business.

[lethal spade]

Sanity. Agree that all this is cruel.

[wet yacht]

I know the glasses blur is wip, but as a glasses wearer I can confirm that my non glasses vision is quite blurry

Just not that blurry, people are still people, but just not complete blobs. The figure is there, but I can't make out the details of things, i.e. faces, a logo on a shirt and clothing texture

Still, having to be virtually blind in game too will be ultimate immersion and will make zomboid GOTY for me and all of my fellow glasses wearers

Much love from a glasses wearing player ♥

[jade bear]

Yeah they'd probably find a good middle ground for the effect to be punishing but not too much to the point of it not being fun.

Cause an issue currently is that short sighted doesn't really do much now, while the expensive good eye sight trait isn't as useful as it should be.

[crisp matrix]

It also sounds like sunglasses, motorcycle helmets and welder masks will also affect our vision through an overlay.

Legit, it feels like the kinda stuff you'd set up through a mod. Insane that it's gonna be vanilla!

[crude lily]

Sick, that reminds me of the project Nevada mod for fallout new vegas

[sly frigate]

I think a good way to tackle it would be for nearsighted people to just have an extreme version of the search mode blur

Total screen blurring doesn’t make much sense to me, since there is a range a shortsighted person has perfect clarity

[dim cedar]

depends on what kind of vision problem the person has

would be cool to have different levels of short-sighted

one where you can see stuff but it's just a tad blurry, another one where you can't see close stuff, other where you can't see far stuff, one that blurs the entire vision

[sly frigate]

I think having grades of it could be cool, yeah

Legally Blind could be one, where the effect is as severe as possible

But if nearsighted ends up looking like that WIP video, that shit better be a +10

[wise ingot]

I'm pretty sure it's doable as a mod too

[sharp turret]

I wanna see usable bayonets in b42 😀

[gleaming lark]

add a knife to gun

bam bayonet

[hoary quarry]

Hype

[crude lily]

Turn your busted rifle into a spear, hell yeah

[gleaming lark]

stab stab stab

[foggy flame]

when they say changes to MP and PVP do you think they'll finally add a cover system

[mental ferry]

I'm imagining pairing the current spear crafting system with a bayonet system.
Survivors duct taping pens and spoons to their shotguns lol

[foggy flame]

LOL, im imagining a butter knife held on by adhesive tape

[mental ferry]

Precisely

[ruby thistle]

Hopefully theyve come up with a good way to balance spears if theyre gonna add bayonets. maybe if bayonets could only do the impale animation that stuns you in place

[gleaming lark]

i think spears are gonna be reworked

[ruby thistle]

let us hope

[pale maple]

WHEN TEST BRANCH

[mental ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-bob-parr-the-incredibles-gif-7194125

[vagrant sonnet]

When will the other new moodles get released?

I’m excited to see the ones for encumbered, wet, and exhausted

Seeing as those are more symbols as opposed to faces

[crisp matrix]

I'm curious if any modders are planning on new map mods that add locations way off from the base map connected by the upcoming ProcGen woods

[wise ingot]

Will definitely be possible but it's hard to plan anything until we know enough

[crude lily]

Probably since they're baking 3d models into the game world to help with rendering

[frigid thistle]

Not specifically that, but I've been working on an underground bunker for months now

[lost cove]

imagine how spear fishing be like with the reworks

[balmy quail]

can't wait to capture that big one with a fork attached to my spear

[frigid thistle]

I just want to be able to swim

[lost cove]

swimming with the zeds.

until we could forage some of these mushrooms in a future update.

[balmy quail]

where's this image from?

[lost cove]

it was from one of the tweets but its going to be hard to find it.

#tweets message

[patent hatch]

can i jump off a building ?

[balmy quail]

thanks for sending the message link. After a bit of research and skimming, I'd say...

top row: turkey tail (edible and medicinal), false parasol (poisonous), morel (edible), and oyster (edible)

bottom row: pear-shaped puffball (edible), yellowfoot (edible), red agaric (poisonous), and mica cap (edible although some might be poisonous)

[lost cove]

the weird logic of foraging for mushrooms is the character does not spore print the mushroom and check all parts of the mushroom.

[raven barn]

man

does blogs n teases only release every month

[half peak]

Update comes 2030.

[foggy flame]

i’d do some crazy shit for morel soup rn

[terse cliff]

Yes of course
The only ones able to outright kill you though are pretty much only in LV however if you don't want to stuff your bags full of bricks

I do not remember however if it prevents zombification, don't think so tho.

[radiant pilot]

hoping for updates of:

fire rework
fishing rework
map expansion
character sounds

next thursdoid 🙌

[crisp matrix]

It sounds like the fishing rework is done

And I don't think we really need another update on character sounds.

[vagrant sonnet]

I cannot wait for the character sound mods

[radiant pilot]

cant wait to be rick grimes

[radiant pilot]

i’d just like to see more voices maybe and more times ur character makes sounds

i wonder if you’ll be able to pick how u sound like in charaxter creation

[crisp matrix]

Most likely

[lone prism]

Can't wait for sprinters to yell as well

and some of the sound mods that might come with that

https://youtu.be/-RMoAeiiX2Y

imagining this one in particular

[vagrant cloak]

carl... carl caaaarrlllllllllll

[humble hamlet]

I’m so damn impressed with the work y’all show off every thurszoid. B42 is going to be a massive step for zomboid.

[crisp matrix]

Coral

Speaking of TWD, is anyone watching TOWL?

I heard it's actually a good TWD spin-off/sequel, some calling it, "if TWD was made by HBO."

[autumn raven]

Hey, don't know with it was mentioned elsewhere but how will generators power underground and structures like skycrapers? Really want to know the floor limit to powering or with we can connect it with the electrical structure of the building, providing we have some levels on it

also indoors poisoning is a thing, how will it interact with bunkers?

[robust iron]

I haven't seen that discussed anywhere. I think the assumption is that it'll work identically to smaller buildings, just with more power draining lights and equipment attached. What I hope happens is that generators get a max power output and different tiers for higher output, ie you have to pick and choose what electronics have power in those skyscrapers. Maybe even a circuit breaker in the basement to cut power to anything irrelevant from one convenient place.

[gleaming lark]

https://fxtwitter.com/rProjectZomboid/status/1764469771733516597?t=H4dBMXJVn4ZFF4NuKan2lw&s=19

[zinc mesa]

oooh didn't knew that's so cool, thanks!!

[zinc mesa]

yeeees

[radiant pilot]

dude its actually insane i almost cried on the 2nd episode

wont spoil it tho- but its a rollercoaster. the spinoff is not afraid of killing people off i’ll just tell u that

[solemn berry]

Honestly I think it suits the new upcoming graphic style quite well

[foggy flame]

this makes me scared to watch it 😭

[brazen phoenix]

Underground wall not destructive until late(dwarven sadness sound)

[lethal spade]

A cover system would be fantastic for MP. You should be able to duck behind a car or other object and not be hit, even if you can’t fire from there.

[mental ferry]

I for one appreciate the artists for opening the door to the Project Zomboid "becoming uncanny" meme

[slender furnace]

(Very) Tangentially related, I hope sometime in the perhaps far future we get customization options for characters' faces

It's perhaps unrealistic to expect visual representation of weight, despite there being a mod for it (since there are presumably concerns about stretching textures) but faces seem doable

[foggy flame]

moodle mod is completed, now we just wait for b42 to drop and instantly i dont have to see these dogshit moodles

im hyped for the bunkers and basements

[slender furnace]

I think the thing I'm most looking forward to is another axis of rotation for placed items the farming overhaul & animal husbandry

Not all that interested in hunting, but raising animals seems v fun. More simsboid

[foggy flame]

the 5 pigs in my basement:

im most excited for character noises and gun overhaul

[slender furnace]

I will be turning off character noises so fast, but still glad they're being added

[cunning pumice]

they gonna add the condition loses for the tools in the 42?

[crisp matrix]

You'll probably get an option to have no character voices

[slender furnace]

Maybe. If not, there'll be mods. Not too concerned about the “how”, because if there isn't a vanilla way I'll just make the mod myself

[cunning pumice]

i hope a mod adding horses if the devs will not add them

[bronze sedge]

I'm counting on it, considering it may take a "while" for them to update the game after B42 release.

[cunning pumice]

sure mine is just an hope i'm alredy waiting 10 years so 2 or 4 more is not abig deal

[mental ferry]

It would be fun to see proper horses. It would also be absolutely hilarious to see the current horse mod implemented.

[warm nimbus]

Sadly it looks like fire rework didn't make the cut, I asked already... I am still hoping for it to be released later down the pipeline of B42 features. https://bsky.app/profile/theindiestone.bsky.social/post/3kjqcnauvml22

[ruby thistle]

me too, I almost lost one of my bases because a month later the CDDA start fire was still going in unloaded chunks and when i went exploring it came back and burnt bits of it

[crisp matrix]

Huh. I forgot they had a Bluesky

[lone prism]

If Moodle mods come I want one that makes all of them have the same absurd 3D smileys look as this

[thorn mango]

it entirely depends on your vision wether its 15/15 10/10 or 20/20

[zinc mesa]

BROTHERS OF THE MINE REJOICE

[vagrant sonnet]

will there be a new "crafting" skill or will your effectiveness depend on the level in the skill relating to the item you are making?

[lone prism]

Likely the latter plus magazines and knowledge on how to craft certain things, like sledgehammers, workstations, etc.

There were some magazines on blacksmithing that were shown I think

[lost cove]

recipe magazines to new crafting skills

farming should be in the survival skill

should cooking be in the survival skill?

[lone prism]

You can survive without cooking what you forage or grow I guess

[visual plover]

Hold up, new fire won't be coming out in B42?

[lone prism]

aw, bit sad innit

[visual plover]

ye...

I couldn't read this message more wrongly.

[lost cove]

cant wait to catch some fish with new fishing feature.

[lone prism]

Wonder how spear fishing will work now

[lost cove]

good question

imagine if vehicles will be overhauled again lol

[lone prism]

I could imagine a timing minigame for it, but no idea
like hitting at just the right time to stab a fish

[visual plover]

Either it would work like fishing rod but very very close (so you prob won't catch anything)

Or it won't be added at all

Basically you will have to find places where the fish "circles" are very close

[warm nimbus]

Sadly looks like it ☹️ - been excited about it since they first talked about the rework in 2020. I am still hopeful that it is a part of B42 just not initially, kind of like how 3D items were not put into B41 until super late in unstable.

[slim prairie]

Wow, glad I wasn't here for the moodle discussion! Hot take: I really can't see someone who gets into future builds looking at the old moodles and going, "Whoa! These were waaaay better!!"

[crude lily]

Yeah people are just that nostalgic over the old moodles

[lethal spade]

They’ve said that their plan is to have a crafting system that allows you to start on a complete wilderness map with no loot. If things were gated behind magazines, how would that work?

[lost cove]

interesting

[fresh osprey]

at the end of the underground bunker video you can see her spine doing this when she dies
what

whadafuq

[mental ferry]

🤔 Wall collision?

[fresh osprey]

oh mah gawd

you're right

[lethal spade]

I think they’ll still have Magazine Recipes for regular playthroughs that’ll teach you a recipe, that you could learn as your level goes up, sooner than normal.

[ruby thistle]

was about to say this, damn

on that note, always thought it was kinda stupid you can make all the carpentry stuff from leveling up but from welding you had to learn them from a magazine

[lethal spade]

Mechanics has a mix of Mags and Leveling that’s pretty strange too

[gleaming lark]

Just make it like 7 days to die and it's all magazines

[shut obsidian]

If the crafting is expanding as much as they're alluding to, I think it will have outgrown books and magazines as a way to learn things. Maybe give players the ability to "study" items like rocks and twigs, like reading a book but you're staring at a rock instead, and have there be a low% chance that a character will have a eureka moment and learn the recipe?

Having a magazine for literally every recipe will feel so bloated and contrived

I also like the idea of putting knowledge unlocks behind media like books and movies. Like a low% chance to learn cars stuff by watching a movie that features a lot of cars. And if your character doesn't learn car stuff watching it once, wait for the media cooldown to end, and you watch that movie again and hope that the character learns car stuff this time. Same goes for farming and every other future skill

[gleaming lark]

And what are you going to learn by studying sticks and rocks

[shut obsidian]

Survival shelters, spears, the steps leading towards making a bow...

basically the entire tech tree

[gleaming lark]

Yeah nah

I don't see it

[shut obsidian]

I do

It's the only option in a pure wilderness

That or everyone knows everything at the start

[gleaming lark]

Very likely gonna know everything then

But that's not the main way the game is played so

Or they'll choose their little jobs at the beginning

But that won't be viable in single player since npcs do not exist

Magazines and books are the best way to go imo

[radiant pilot]

holy shit i didnt notice that

WALL COLLISION LETS GOO no more corpses in the middle of walls

[fresh osprey]

also, spine breakage!

[robust iron]

FUNNY RAGDOLLS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO ZOMBOID LESS GOOO

[foggy flame]

someone gotta mod a full ragdoll mod

imagine just seeing a zed pop up like 5 feet in the air after killing it then just going limp like a gmod ragdoll

cant wait for the mods that let us dig underground too, imagining a fallout-vault type base

[crisp matrix]

Next step, let a zombie corpse collapse against a wall

[lucid quail]

Oh damn I didn't notice that, I thought ragdolls were planned for a future update. Also I never see people talking about the ragdoll update

[slim prairie]

I'd love to see zeds ragdoll in the future. But if that'd be hard to implement, then I'd be satisfied if just survivors ragdolled.
It'd be hilarious if you fall from a height your limbs end up all mangled.

[fierce acorn]

I really hope they add in better horde migration. You should be able to encounter hordes roaming the wilderness after X amount of time in game.

[karmic hazel]

it would be nice, but why would they migrate into middle of a forest for no reason?

[fierce acorn]

I mean, they were able to break through the Louisville quarantine zone for seemingly no reason

And also after 6 months of not getting brains I'd assume they wouldn't just stay in the same place forever rotting

[karmic hazel]

yeah, you are right

maybe they could chase after animals or something

or devs could implement falling trees over time, which could also cause the zombies to migrate

[jade bear]

I don't think it was no reason, they got drawn in cause of gunfire.

[balmy quail]

and/or occasional helicopters passing may have led some to stray into the forest

[lyric wadi]

I don't think the idea is that EVERYTHING would be available to you on a wilderness map, just enough to survive

Also when you level up now you do "auto-learn" certain stuff, like how a carpenter can make stairs

[thorn mango]

will a level 10 mechanic be capable of doing maintence on cars he doesnt know about?

for example
i train to mechanics 10 on standard cars only with commercial and sports locked
will the character learn how to service them?

[radiant pilot]

didnt we get teasers on firetrucks like 3 years ago

[thorn mango]

u did get it, the D6 firetruck

[vagrant sonnet]

I thought it was like the mechanic trait where it gives you access to them all?

[crisp matrix]

Looks like we're gonna find beer bottles and beer cans packed in bundles now, like egg cartons

[hard pelican]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/finn-astro-finn-dance-astro-finn-adventure-time-gif-745624733540016101

[gleaming lark]

Me banging a nail into a piece of wood and figuring out how to make stairs

[hard pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-carpenter-gif-10028591

[lone prism]

!!!

[thorn mango]

yeh i got a six pack

[lost cove]

finding items in packs is very nice and very immersive.

just need pack of juice boxes lol

[lone prism]

Can't wait to fill coolers with these 6-packs for maxium brewski efficiency

[lost cove]

6 pack of beer cans and beer bottles

[thorn mango]

6 pack jugs

[fringe wing]

alcoholism lets go lets go

[autumn raven]

Alcoholic trait confirmed?

[balmy quail]

can’t wait to find a six pack of these too

[fringe wing]

seeing a zombie get flung across the room after getting clocked in the head by a bat would be rather funny

[robust iron]

Give me pipebomb ragdolls

[lost cove]

pack of cans of soda, packs of bottled soda.

[brazen phoenix]

I wonder if we could operate those factory machines and make noice

[solemn berry]

They are looking into it I believe

[gleaming lark]

Noice machine broke

[solemn berry]

It's something they're interested in

[gleaming lark]

Sorry no orange juice

[solemn berry]

If you mean the ones like in McCoy's logging company

[brazen phoenix]

For one I would suggest that put a circular saw in game to cut down burnt car into usable materials

Burnt metal on wreckages should be recyclable.

[lost cove]

It would be a cool detail to have some food scraps you get after eating certain food items such as a banana peel after eating a banana or apple core

[balmy quail]

and use the apple cores and/or peels to make apple jelly or syrup? That would indeed be cool

[lost cove]

compost the food scraps

some packaging for food items could be used as kindling for the fire.

[shut obsidian]

A generic food scrap could work too, and would be easier to implement. But specific ones like getting fish bones and guts from filleting a fish would also be cool

With farm animals coming, I imagine there will be a bunch of scrap produced when butchering a cow. Now that I think about it, I wonder if we will be able to harvest livers and cut ribeyes from the cows?

[dapper verge]

or newspapers would not dissapear after reading it

[daring bridge]

Soooo

B42 end of this year?

[lost cove]

if we could use some fish to catch racoons

[foggy flame]

before june they said

"first half of 2024"

[frigid thistle]

First half of 2024 is before august tho ☝️ 🤓

[lost cove]

Q1 is January to March and Q2 is April to June.

[balmy quail]

with the new and various crops we will be planting, I’m hoping plenty of raccoons will be around

[crisp matrix]

That's confirmed for B42

[lone prism]

Maybe a cooldown to get the benefits from it again would work, like only once a week or so, instead of them just vanishing after you read them

People reread books and magazines and stuff

[warm nimbus]

Yea it is gonna be cool down based according to a past dev blog https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/04/bren-after-reading/

[lone prism]

Oh ic

[lethal spade]

I haven’t read that. That’d be cool.

[slender furnace]

I've had this in the back of mind for some time now & I still don't think I've figured out how to say it to avoid sounding nitpicky at best & rude at worst. I think the blogs could benefit from some proofreading, purely for mechanical issues (I'm sure it's already proofread for content). The blogs are always a joy to read and I don't intend to insult the skill of the blog writer—but most of them tend to have mistakes that range from totally minor to “this has briefly hindered my understanding of the sentence” (to be clear, mistakes are normal & expected—that's why I think a proofreading pass would be ideal)

I don't know whether this is even the place for that kind of feedback, but I figure since it's been a week it's hopefully reasonable to give meta blog feedback by now

[crisp matrix]

It's a Thursdoid discussion thread. It's a good a place as any.

[hard pelican]

Does anyone remember if devs said anything about candles? 🤔

[radiant pilot]

what abt them

[wise ingot]

I think yes

[crisp matrix]

I think we saw them mentioned

[slender furnace]

Candles are in the game already (if that's the question)

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Candle

[lone prism]

I've also noted a few mistakes here and there in writing but shrugged it off, I get what you mean

[real sinew]

not pz related but i thought this was a funny error i made

[daring bridge]

YAYYY

[lost cove]

noice

[daring bridge]

I’m so excited

Yall wake me up when it comes out

[zinc mesa]

I love the new additions of items RAAAAAWWRGg

[zinc mesa]

me too, I'll be 24/7 playing this game, just as I did once

[daring bridge]

YES

[frigid thistle]

I can't wait to test the orange juice machine

[wide dagger]

I'm a little out of contest, but I read a lot of time a go that Devs planned a modder tools useful to make more interesting animations.

Do you know if this is still planned on road map?

[wise ingot]

Let's hope so lmao bcs I'm in pain making animations rn lmao

[slender furnace]

It was called AnimZed and it was going to release with b41. Not sure what happened there—I did a quick search and there don't seem to be answers

That is, as far as I know, and from what the searches implied, it wasn't ever released & I'm not sure whether there was reasoning given for that. Unless it actually was & it just somehow isn't very searchable

[tall edge]

Do we know if the new moodles are a prank

[wide dagger]

Yes I remember they said something about that, like that with that tools and patience modder could theoretically create Xenomorph (obviously that was simply and example 🤣 to explain how much that tool could be useful).

Hope on some news on future thursdoids, this will help also modder populate world with modded animals for B42.

[jade bear]

no

[wet roost]

Was just curious. What happened to the fire rework?

[lime citrus]

Basically it's put on hold as the person who was working on it has joined work on MP.

[upper spade]

Makes sense

[vernal cargo]

We NEED the ability to make aerosol can flame throwers

[radiant pilot]

we did see ragdolls when they showed falling from high distances, maybe they could eventually use ragdolls for zed corpses and kills

would love more unique kill anims, like maybe one falling on a wall, or one that stands up then falls down, sorta like the anim with the more kill anim mod

[slender furnace]

Ragdolls were mentioned as something being done as an exploratory thing in The Connection is Made, from August of last year (i.e., we knew this was a thing being worked on). No confirmation that it'll make it to b42, but their including it in videos does give me hope

[radiant pilot]

yeah like how we saw it with no more corpses phasing thru walls

[crisp matrix]

That's apparently what we saw in the latest Thursdoid.

They now rotate parts of their bodies to keep from passing through walls.

Soon enough, we'll get bodies that collapse against a wall.

[quiet hazel]

Can we get paperairplanes made out of skin

[limpid plank]

Nope

If you look closely it's just a current bug in the build that duplicates/multiplicates the player character on death

[hard pelican]

im pretty sure they meant the zombies, not the player char. Also, i never even noticed that glitch kek

[limpid plank]

Regardless, ragdolls aren't in the build, so they literally couldn't be in any video

[limpid plank]

It's a glitch in the in-dev build

[hard pelican]

yea, never saw it in the video untill you pointed it out. Now my hype is dead 😭 its over

[radiant pilot]

NOOO

its a feature not a glitch now

[wise ingot]

Considering the amount of research I made on PZ animations, I would have noticed it unless they hid it somewhere

[wise ingot]

We can already create Xenomorphs, just no modders are looking into it. The closest we have to custom zombies is LeaperZed and my project which plans to add The Last of Us Infected fully animated (in priority the Clickers)

Like all of this is possible already

[quiet hazel]

i want xenomorphs!!!!

[wise ingot]

Commission a modder to do it then lol

[quiet hazel]

ok

[wise ingot]

In fact you could commission Glitcher who made the LeaperZed

[limpid plank]

Not going to get too into it but it's because the father of AnimZed only somewhat recently returned, the latest Makeship campaign was in memory of his wife.

[wise ingot]

Ha that's him

[slender furnace]

Gotcha. Nice to have any info about it, thank you

[fringe wing]

now here's the sprinter

[rocky night]

Well. Glad to have him back.

[wide dagger]

Very interesting, good luck than, very curious to try it when out!

[crisp matrix]

Dang

[river pecan]

!roadmap

[peak salmon]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[wise ingot]

Did that move actually ?

[quiet hazel]

omg lol

[wise ingot]

No that didn't nvm

[dapper verge]

you lied(

[wise ingot]

I did

:>

[dapper verge]

my heart is broken again

[wise ingot]

[lucid quail]

The update is coming no earlier than April and probably no later than July unless something big happens

[lost cove]

if build 42 gets pushed back to late 2024 to fix any major issues.

[shy parrot]

I can feel B42 coming next week

[wise ingot]

[solemn berry]

No no let's hear him out, his prediction was correct last time

[zinc mesa]

RAAAAAAAHHGR

[zinc mesa]

(minecraft doors used as a breathing source)

[zinc mesa]

What is AnimZed? I googled it but i've got no clue about what it is, it looks like is some kind of feature but i don't know at all

[slender furnace]

See the message two messages above that one; tool for modders

[zinc mesa]

Oh sorry i didn't see it, thanks!

[wise ingot]

https://youtu.be/Q5Vn2jBuOLw?si=jwd0bVl1N94Hfrm9

[zinc mesa]

Just have into mind that one day, there'll be a thursdoid starting with "We wish that our favourite survivors are enjojing the new workbenches and crafting mechanics"

[autumn raven]

Just want to play the build already, don't care about new thursdoids (only when they state bugfixes and cahnges in middle of unstable and coming to stable). All that text is super boring after months on end and i can't even remember what they talked about on thursdoids from 6 + months ago

Let us play and have fun again with new build

that's what i want

[wise ingot]

Just be patient and enjoy the current game

There's a bunch of stuff you can do

[frigid thistle]

I just want the new mapping tools and tiles

[autumn raven]

Can find reddit asking about b42 since 2021, don't say be patient, we all are waiting for it a long time

Just... let us play it

[wise ingot]

If it's not ready it's not ready, deal with it boy

It's this kind of attitude that makes games like Cyberpunk 2077 completely fail their launches

[autumn raven]

haven't been disrespectful to you, ''boy'' it's your ***

done speaking here

[wise ingot]

?

[zinc mesa]

he really yapped like king

[zinc mesa]

absolutely true, but I guess that the dates that the investors impose to the companies also provoque those kinds of stuff

[wise ingot]

Of couse, because when the public is here to give their fucking bank account just to play the game, they will push that shit like goblins

Consequences of the hype

Put too much hype in a game, and it's your best way to get its downfall

[gleaming lark]

cant handle being one of the boys smh

[lime citrus]

And you'll find it as long as it's not ready for future builds in any year too. When something isn't ready for the public we're not releasing it. Especially when it's not even been at a level ready for public testing.

[zinc mesa]

true

[limpid plank]

B41 wasn't finished until the end of 2022...
Stable released in December 2021 so finding some rando on Reddit asking about 42 in 2021 is hardly a benchmark to go by.

[slender furnace]

b48 when

Now someone can reference that in the far future

[autumn raven]

The goblin slander is incredible

[radiant pilot]

if people are asking for B42 the year B41 came out, thats straight ignorance

[robust iron]

The problem with this line of thought is, zomboid isn't a pure sandbox like minecraft where a buggy build can be pushed that just shows "Yeah here's where we're at on the current update" and you can load in and crash every 12 seconds but see "damn these features look cool, they're fun to play with"
It is a sandbox, but the rules of the sandbox incentivize a much greater focus on how the shovels you're given interact with the game world. It's more of an immersive sim, and like all immersive sims, they only come together at the latest stages of development in any way that makes sense.

Not only that but what's being worked on is an update to said immersive system, which means not only does it take effort for the new mechanics to properly fit in, but it also means addressing how the effects of the new mechanics ripple out into older systems, and updating them to account for it, while keeping in mind that a change as simple as updating the moodle graphics started a full week's discussion in spite of being only a fraction of what the article even contained

[crude lily]

Well if anyone is frustrated with the wait, change the game up with mods or do something else

Thats what I do when I start to get annoyed with waiting for b42

[young olive]

Thanks very much for sharing this!

[young olive]

Thanks for sharing this!

[robust iron]

Also when I say immersive sims only come together in the latest stages of development, I'm paraphrasing words that were said by Warren Spector, creator of deus ex and chief critic of treating the creation of games as the work of one person

[crisp matrix]

That was from 62 days after the Twin Towers fell

[hard pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[vagrant cloak]

Hashtag OmarAskedFirst

[fringe wing]

deus ex mentioned

[robust iron]

https://tenor.com/view/deus-ex-jc-denton-jc-denton-gif-7999346114093055501

[gleaming lark]

Thief mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/thief-gold-thief-the-dark-project-garrett-gif-22589243

[crude lily]

"Did you think those ancient phrases were mere words man fool? LOOK AT ME" that cutscenes scared the shit out of me when I first played that game as a kid

[wide rain]

look at me hector

[crisp matrix]

🛎️🛎️🛎️🛎️🛎️🛎️🛎️🛎️

[thorn mango]

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

[gleaming lark]

I'm sorry to say but b42 has been canceled

Please be understanding at this time

[lost cove]

lol

[frigid thistle]

Guys please... It's only been 11 days since the last thursdoid. Too early to lose our minds

[abstract herald]

Actually i was bit disappointed by this thursdoid, ok yeah is nice to see the basements especially a military one but i would like to see more things about hunting, like, dryers and also about the possibility to do yeast or not i know that is nice to keep something to discover in the game,mine is only a frustration shout for the waiting, I'm 😔

[gleaming lark]

I wasn't disappointed, but I do want to see more on hunting, trapping and meat drying

[lost cove]

so far indiestone never showed off any bears or other predatory animals yet.

[wooden fog]

why?

[gleaming lark]

I will not be taking questions at this time

[zinc mesa]

only 11 days? why the times passes so slow and at the same time so fastRAAARGGHh

[lone prism]

It passes fast when you want it to last and it passes slow when you want it to flow

such is life :(

[wooden fog]

what happened?

[solemn berry]

Have they confirmed them? I thought that was a just a we're interested big maybe baby please

[wise ingot]

Definitely sounds like they plan for those with a few things they said in the various devlogs

[lone prism]

Maybe, though I think those animals would be more for a future build, If 42 is basic animal AI

When they're working on more complex AIs for NPCs and stuff, maybe bears and animals like that could come along

[lost cove]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Animal#Planned_animals according to the wiki bears are a planned animal.

[wise ingot]

oh yeah I loved getting shreded by bears

https://tenor.com/view/bear-bear-bear-just-lie-there-dont-move-unless-revenant-tom-hardy-gif-14077841

[lost cove]

it would of been fun to have some coyotes attack as well

hopefully a video showing foxes in action

[inner nimbus]

The animal system that is currently being implemented is a temporary solution until the NPC system is expanded to the point it can support animals. They said we won't get horses, dogs, or predators until this happens

[wise ingot]

uuuuuhhhh ....

Well that sure sounds like some fake news lmao

Working on such a system, also considering the work they put in and have to remake it all over later ?

[river pecan]

!roadmap

[peak salmon]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[gleaming lark]

Guys it moved

I swear it moved a little

Guys believe me

[deep creek]

Ya all be like

[warm nimbus]

"We still cannot release our NPC code with the B42 update (for the reasons discussed in our 2022 and Beyond blogpost) however its clear that we’ll need to get animal husbandry and elements of hunting in there in some form for our crafting update to have its full potential realized.

So we’ve hit upon a compromise, we’ll have hunting and animal husbandry in B42. However, we’ll be doing some makeshift AI and behaviours that’ll likely not have the same capabilities that will be possible with the NPC behaviour code." https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/02/holy-cow/

[wise ingot]

You know that's old of early 2022 ???

A lot can change in such a long time

[warm nimbus]

Yes, but also doesn't mean that isn't still the case

[wise ingot]

Of course

But considering the work they've put with the AI of animals and their behaviors/pathing around the map, I would be surprised that they put so much work in a system that they will remove the build after

[warm nimbus]

Maybe it will just be built up-on, who knows maybe they have much cooler things planned

[robust iron]

Things build on other things all the time in software development

[gleaming lark]

I'm pretty sure it's still relevant lmao

[hoary quarry]

[balmy quail]

[visual plover]

!roadmap

[peak salmon]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[visual plover]

Hold up it moves????

Damn that's what I call community friendly game!

[noble atlas]

They don’t want people to steal their thunder with whatever they could’ve added originally for the behavior tree and metaworld system. Depending on what they put in, you can have people quickly make human npcs with just behavior trees and they want to save that for b43

[peak salmon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1079967390957305857/1079972844735316028/unknown-388_1.png

[inner nimbus]

It has not changed because RJ is the person working on the animal system which is separate to build 42 compeletely. Based on what has been said we probably aren't getting animals until at least build 44, so the animals system likely wouldn't be removed "the build after" as well

[inner nimbus]

This is not the reason why. It's because the NPC's they are implementing are using 10 years worth of existing code that has already been developed for human NPCs in the background of the game's development this entire time. They don't have that for animal NPC's and trying to add animal NPC's instead of making what they already have work would take longer

[fringe wing]

what did spice mean by this

[noble atlas]

I mean I’m agreeing with you. There’s another post I can link that has lemmy talking about using the tech he’s built also for animals. I’m just saying that you can easily use whatever they could’ve originally planned to release to make human npcs, which is not the case since they are going to implement something else that they will remove

[vernal sandal]

the new icons are just meant for high resolutions I think so they'll still appear pixelated when it's displayed at 4k and such

[jade bear]

The animals aren't separate from 42, what are you talking about

[inner nimbus]

NPC system-based animals. I should have clarified

[jade bear]

Pretty sure that's 42 as well

[ocean nacelle]

Buddy it's been weeks

[inner nimbus]

Go higher in the thread and you'll see what we are talking about

[jade bear]

Yeah I'm seeing the blog section they said that the animal AI will be a bit more basic at first and improved on later

[vernal sandal]

don't care + your comment was the first comment I saw when I opened the thread + nerd

[inner nimbus]

More specifically, it won't use the NPC code that NPC's are going to use in the future. It's using a placeholder system to handle them which will be scrapped after human NPCs are out and the NPC system is expanded to allow for animals

[vernal sandal]

........what

you ok bro

I made a lighthearted tease and bro went full attack mode

[hard pelican]

So...moodles am I right?

[robust iron]

Yeah bro wtf

[wise ingot]

wtf dude

ha he left or else

Moodles about to declare a saint war upon us

[lime citrus]

That guy has been banned a while ago

[wise ingot]

yeah I kind of guessed it

[stiff crown]

I think the new moodles look fine

[radiant pilot]

yeah theres just an adjustment period when things change. happens with everything you’re used to. contact prescriptions changing, med dosage, and in a less significant way, game mechanic changes

[stiff crown]

To be honest i don't look at the moodlets enough to feel any real attachment to them

The zombies though always have my full attention XD

[radiant pilot]

yeah but the moodles have been the same for 13 years

[stiff crown]

Exactly. Nothing wrong with an update

[crisp matrix]

Except this roadmap isn't freaking moving. It's just a PNG, not a live update on the game's progress like everyone's acting like it is!

[crisp matrix]

You mean the roadmap? No. It does not move.

This is what I've been saying, but the devs have refused my request to just put the date it was made in the corner so that everyone understands that it's not live

[gleaming lark]

Nah bruh it's moving

[zinc mesa]

AYO SPIFFO CHILL

[autumn raven]

''Monkey''

[peak salmon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1079967390957305857/1081610834142314563/image.png

[crisp matrix]

Let us all just be grateful that B42 drops onto Unstable in about 3.5 months max.

That's like a whole baby trimester.

[warm nimbus]

What do you mean max? That Q1 quote is a rough estimate, not a guarantee. They don't do crunch, so you can't expect that to be set in stone.

[river pecan]

!roadmap

[peak salmon]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[river pecan]

IT'S MOVING???????

[frigid thistle]

It is not

[shut obsidian]

It's safe to assume it's moving. But yeah, that image is static af

[thorn mango]

you will go nuts thinking back to the last time you saw it

and delude yourself into thinking the little arrow was a bit back

[mental ferry]

Upon a cursory look, that particular image has not been changed since Zleigh Ride at least. And honestly, it doesn't need to be. The devs have more important work to be done than to edit that PSD file every time folks ask. There'd be no time to do anything else if that were the case lol.

[vagrant cloak]

As far as I know nobody mentioned Q1, it was first half.

[sharp turret]

I wish to be able to carry two weapons on my back depending on my strength level

[lucid quail]

Most people haven't seen the one with the purple bar indicating progress, most know the first one they posted

[warm nimbus]

You're right I meant first half, not sure why I said Q1 - regardless the point still stands that it is an estimate right? 🤓

[crisp matrix]

WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!

[crisp matrix]

No, it is NOT safe to assume that it's moving! Because the devs have confirmed that it isnt!

[radiant pilot]

so ur saying it is moving, but only updates every once in awhile

safe to say its moving but moves one frame a day

[crisp matrix]

No, I'm saying that they showed the roadmap in a dev blog several years ago, and then they updated it ONCE in another devblog several months ago and hasn't been updated since.

They aren't updating this thing in real time.

[radiant pilot]

apologies i was rage baiting you

theyre uhh surely updating it every once in a while tho

[vagrant sonnet]

With vehicle ramps being possible does that mean I’ll be able to jump a car over the river into Louisville

[gleaming lark]

Only one way to find out

[vagrant cloak]

You're not the first to confuse first half with q1, that is why I posted. Yeah it is an estimate more than a goal, if things keep moving forward at the average speed they have been.

[radiant pilot]

march 28th…..

is the next thursdoid

[autumn raven]

Today's my birthday, maybe you can say with we are 90% completed with build 42? ... Please?

[real sinew]

LISEN AL GAIB!

[zinc mesa]

Soul Filcher Awesome Fella

[lost cove]

noice

just need to melt snow and turn it into drinkable water

[quiet hazel]

soul snacker

[warm nimbus]

👍

[shy parrot]

[rocky night]

I miss when 2 thursdoids a month b/c thursdoid would land on my birthday, March 14th

[autumn raven]

Mine's today and i wanted some info about b42 but this is not perfect world ;-;

[shy parrot]

Happy bday

[autumn raven]

Thank you

[vagrant cloak]

Happy birzday

[rocky night]

happy bursday

[frigid thistle]

Happy birthdoid

[swift kettle]

my birthday was 4 months and 15 days ago can i be beta tester:)

[quiet hazel]

happy lifeday day before lasterday

[autumn raven]

Thank you all =3

[lone prism]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-gif-11823729736958276163

[balmy quail]

Happy Birthday

[slim prairie]

Happy Birthday! 🥳

[balmy quail]

someone already brought cake but if anyone wants more then know that

[autumn raven]

Thanks people, i'm grateful

[real sinew]

HARPY BIRDDAY!

[dapper verge]

the cake is a lie

[radiant pilot]

fun fact theres a secret evolved recipe when u combine cake mix with blueberries and orange and it changes the text of the cake mix to “this cake is a lie”

[real sinew]

fun fact there is a secret recipe when u combine cake mix with bleech and rat poison and it kills u when consumed

[real sinew]

i feel bullied

[gleaming lark]

You should

[quiet hazel]

wait really?

or is that the lie

[radiant pilot]

no its an acutal thing

[quiet hazel]

IN PZ?!

[radiant pilot]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRTLqrfW/

tiktok i posted about it a little back

[quiet hazel]

please hold lol

[quiet hazel]

THATS AMAZING lol

thanks for sharing , best day ever!!

[radiant pilot]

yeah i found it deep in files. its the only one that exists like that rly