Leapdoid

[ashen swan]

well thats a shame

[nimble cedar]

Pixel filters pretty much never look anywhere as solid as direct pixel art.

[midnight summit]

Information for solo players 19999%. For pvp 3.22913%. I'm still waiting for information about targeting targets that are not on the same floor as you. And also about how to aim if you are standing on the west and north sides of the building.

[ashen swan]

huh

[midnight summit]

you can't aim up the building, it's completely cut off for you.

The only way to play pvp comfortably is to not play pvp. I would like to get some information

[ashen swan]

Idk boss I stopped playing months ago, Im just waiting for the next update

you can go ask in the other general chats

[small void]

I have an idea: a player should be able to aim higher and lower by rolling the mouse wheel instead of zooming while aiming

[warm nimbus]

Tbh now I want to see this as a mod

[hard pelican]

so true

[midnight summit]

It’s not clear how the building is cut off in principle when you stand behind it, is it possible to see something there? I haven't seen any videos where the cut is correct.

[small void]

Yeah, it's like with stairs, only two directions are available at the moment

[midnight summit]

Yes, my heart is broken.

[small void]

I think the devs have thought about improving the cut system, especially hiding tall buildings when you want to walk behind them

It's a bit hard to play in Raven Creek because of that

I imagine how hard to play it will be with buildings with 32 floors

[midnight summit]

I imagine how a sniper sits at a height, and you don’t even see the building itself, because it’s cut down to the first floor.

A huge number of things. If we talk about 4k resolution. In build 41, players with 4k have an advantage due to the fact that they can see further. This is literally true. There is no word that this problem will be solved.

[small void]

We can aim on special window (like the foraging one) 😄

[midnight summit]

https://tenor.com/view/ufc-joe-rogan-knocked-out-gif-21306265

It's really funny.
It’s also funny that this is how I imagined the implementation of long-range vision while driving a car. So that you can plan maneuvers at speed.

[small void]

lol imaging the previous window at the right on the screen and this one to the left. That's how drive-by works 😄

Actually I rememeber that you can rotate camera for 4 directions in The Sims 1. That would solve the problem. And brings a lot more of them

[paper lynx]

I saw the moodles and went straight to the discussion, at least I'm not the only one who thinks they look off

[pure meteor]

Hope they add an option to switch back on legacy moodles!

[summer matrix]

^

Wont know for sure til seeing it in game but.. does look like a bit of a style clash dunnit

[summer matrix]

Being able to quickly toggle building cutaways might help. But only on buildings that your combat stance cursor is currently overlapping maybe? Dunno. There are defs still issues like if a sniper is using north or west facing windows

[midnight summit]

🥹 👍

[midnight summit]

The occasional transparency was welcome. As I understand it, we can’t count on changing the aiming? I was hoping that with the advent of pseudo-3D it would be possible to target any pixel. If there are several shooters, I will not be able to choose a target. All these points are critically important.

[ancient quarry]

Will the better furniture quality be avilable for 1080p? Got a 3060 for this game but my monitor isnt 4k so

[thorn mango]

i believe the textures will be upscaled

so yes

[vernal cargo]

The new moodles lowkey fire from what I see

But the stress moodle aint sitting right for me

Went from stressed to withdrawal

[crisp matrix]

I will say that some of them looks bit too similar in color

[vernal cargo]

Did they drop textures for the rrst of em??

No right

[lone prism]

Not really a big fan of the style of the new moodles either but maybe It'll grow on us

They could maybe add an option for which style you want, though modders might make that anyway

[vernal cargo]

Give em a bit

Cause shit we've had the original ones for 12 years

[plush rain]

Update gonna be fire ngl

[lone prism]

Those pixelated ones have sort of identity to them if that makes sense, the new one reminds me of something more generic but I should stop complaining about them

[vernal cargo]

True

[vernal cargo]

NasKo said they're tryna stray from pixel graphics

[lone prism]

understandable

[vernal cargo]

As long as theh keep panic exaggeratedly shocked then we good

[paper lynx]

does it make any sense though

straying from pixel graphics

[vernal cargo]

Yeah

They're aiming for better graphics

Not rtx type shit

But better graphics

[paper lynx]

you can have better pixel graphics tho

[vernal cargo]

True

Modders will get that

[paper lynx]

yeah

but kinda sucks that you have to rely on mods for it

at some point it could go too far

i mean, the models are low poly and stylized

that's kinda the point, not aiming to look like those mobile zombie game ads

and I'm a bit concerned they won't be as recognizable, the current ones are pretty easy to get used to, just looking at it you know what it represents

[lucid quail]

Guys calm the hell down about the Moodles

There will be mods

And they're mainly for 4k res users, you don't have a 4k screen

[paper lynx]

bold statement

[vernal cargo]

Gotta have consistency though

[paper lynx]

playing at full res ona 4k screen is ass

but thats the point

why do we have to rely on mods

[paper lynx]

they can just remaster them to still be in a pixelated style, just higher res

[vernal cargo]

???

[paper lynx]

true, but it doesn't make sense for me for what pz is

at least make them look like the old ones, keeping the style

[vernal cargo]

You gotta admit the new one is an upgrade to

[paper lynx]

no sovl in the new one

[vernal cargo]

Ig

[paper lynx]

iphone emojis type beat

its probably the roundness too

[jovial saffron]

well, you aren't going to be looking at it nearly that close in game anyway

[paper lynx]

that's true, but they're on screen majority of the time

[jovial saffron]

chances are that a modder will make the old ones again, so there's that

be a bit strange if no one did that actually

[vagrant cloak]

Expect ALL mods to be broken when you get to play B42. Do not expect to play it modded as soon as it gets to unstable. And most importantly do not spam "feedback" if you're using broken mods when you should be testing the new build.

[paper lynx]

again, relying on mods is kinda crazy

seems like its a crazy idea to make the base game good

[river pecan]

!roadmap

[peak salmon]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[radiant pilot]

thursdoid this month guys

march 28th

[jade bear]

I'd say it does make sense. These moodles have been there for so many years without an update, while parts of the game have been getting visual updates, especialy the character models.

[dull ingot]

even the car mods? asking because I uploaded a few

[limpid plank]

What's the style you're describing

[jade bear]

Pretty sure I saw lemmy post a pic somewhere of what the old zombie moodle looks like without the pixelated theme on it. The new one doesn't look like too much of a deviation.

[vernal cargo]

He wants pixels

[paper lynx]

they're still stylized in pretty much the same way it was

[limpid plank]

???

[jade bear]

The character models? What? god no

[paper lynx]

it would be nice, but if they're straying from pixels then at least just remaster them instead of making completely new ones

[jade bear]

Even with the char models that aren't as old as those, there's still a major difference between them and the current.

[vernal cargo]

Yeah

The new character models got more smooth animation compared to what 2d can have

[vagrant cloak]

I will not go into specifics, be ready to test them and fix as needed if you're a modder

[limpid plank]

lol

[vernal cargo]

My boy is melting

[jade bear]

some thick teeth

[paper lynx]

surprise ai doesn't do the greatest job

[vernal cargo]

Gotta get a good bite somehow

[dull ingot]

ok, thanks for answering

[paper lynx]

style is pretty much the same

[limpid plank]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-stare-blank-face-uh-okay-blink-gif-17510019

[jade bear]

AI?

[vernal cargo]

I heard at some point they planned to make sprinters yell/scream when they see a player is this true

Guessing not right

[jade bear]

How do you know thats AI

[vernal cargo]

I can see a minor thing that appears like an AI smudge but dont think AI could make the moodles

It would just make any old zombie face

[paper lynx]

I guessed, style is pretty uneven, but I guess ai wouldnt make the pink part

[jade bear]

Well that and they coulda easily just had the artist make regular and pixel versions of those moodles back then.

[vernal cargo]

[paper lynx]

If the same artist made them I think they would look more alike, which they kinda dont

[limpid plank]

Jesus

[jade bear]

The art nasko showed and the pixel one don't look alike what?

[limpid plank]

Sorry but this is crazy to me lol

They are all literally made by the same artist

[jade bear]

They look insanely similar what do you mean, they main difference is how pixelated it is.

[paper lynx]

lol what

[limpid plank]

You are tripping, sorry

It's insane to me how people can say that these don't look alike tbh

The zombified one would read horrible if it was merely upscaled

As shown

It's literally the same thing every time we change the style

First 5 times the characters and zombies changed

When cars were introduced

When 2X textures were shown

There's always a handful who takes longer to accustom to something new, especially when the existing moodles have seared themselves into your mind and imagination for a decade or however long you've been playing.

That's perfectly normal, and it's always strange when a change like that happens.

But I've seen people go out of their way to say this looks nothing like the existing ones lol

That's just strange

[paper lynx]

they're definitely rounder than previously

[limpid plank]

Especially when looking at other stuff from the same artist

And universally people wonder what the current stressed moodle is

[paper lynx]

thats true, but surely im not crazy for thinking new ones look strange compared to old ones

[limpid plank]

Like it already reads badly in pixel art form lol

So when people say "just make the old ones higher res" it's kinda weird to me

[jade bear]

I'd imagine that has a lot to do with being used to the old ones since they've been there for so long.

[limpid plank]

Not saying that, they're obviously new and ANY visual change will take time getting used to, especially when the only way you are currently seeing it is out of context

[paper lynx]

Guess we'll have to see when unstable drops

[jade bear]

Yeah they'd look much better when you see em ingame as small icons like now.

[paper lynx]

imo change is a bit drasticy

[nimble cedar]

Why not just redesign it like how I showed? Something that's based off the original, yet reads a lot more clearly as to what expression the icon is showing?

[solemn berry]

That was a great thursdoid, thoroughly enjoyed the read

[paper lynx]

all the other stuff looks amazing though, im gonna miss free points shortsighted

[nimble cedar]

It still is free points since you can spawn with glasses, and should never need to be wearing any armor that'd replace those in this game anyways.

[karmic canopy]

Free points until you trip while you are being chased and you don’t know where they fell

[barren vault]

moodles look completely out of place
pixelised moodles had charm, these dont

[nimble cedar]

I never trip because I just slow-vault every fence and slow down in trees.

Only exception is in hordes, which THEN is a big con. But only then.

[noble atlas]

The "problem" is that it looks like it has 2 new artsyles. The new zombie one looks like early jamie hewlett gorillaz artstyle while the other reminds people of a clip art emojis.

[paper lynx]

oh my god im not the only one that sees it

[solemn berry]

Some things that stood out feedback wise though but are really minor would be

1. Fence. I feel like some new fence designs at some point would be beneficial. Seeing the same fence used in the Western land was jarring a bit. I feel like this could be expanded on though with more tile assets for everything in a future build. I know every caravan feels similar.

2. This will probably be limited by the engine but I'd like it so you can't see what's below you in undergrounds. So it's a secret until you've explored. Ie. You'll never know how deep it is etc. Seems more realistic but again may be limited by engine.

3. The new emojis feel a bit different in style to the originals rather than just upscaled versions but I don't think that's important at all overall. Just an observation.

4. Using the ramps as a different elevation for the bunker entrance was very cool. Would like to see it more around the map at some point

[barren vault]

yeah its like they googled "free emoji vectors" like they look lame

[nimble cedar]

^All whilst having duller colors making them feel worse off.

[paper lynx]

the undergrounds thing is just a bug im guessing

[native falcon]

It's not that it doesn't fit but that it looks verrrry corny. It's like something from a mobile game.

[thorn mango]

i assume the moodles will fit in with the UI overhaul no?

it wont look silly i hope

[fringe wing]

i like this

[floral harness]

it's not that they look bad, either, it's that they look out of place with the item icons, traits and occupations currently in game

unless this is supposed to hint at a revamp of those

[ancient quarry]

Not a fan of new moodle icons either

Whole game is low res, high res moodles dont fit. Also they look bit like stock emojis lol

Maybe if entire game was high res, but that would kill the vibe imo

[vagrant sonnet]

The new moodles aren’t for us though

[solemn berry]

High res pz looks sick

I saw a blender mockup

[vagrant sonnet]

Like they definitely are way more clear to new players what they are supposed to be

Which I think is good cause I still don’t know what encumbered is supposed to be

It just makes the game more readable and if you want the old ones just mod it

[paper lynx]

its a little man carrying a huge box

[vagrant sonnet]

I always thought it was like a shriveled broccoli

[paper lynx]

although its hard as hell to see

i always thought it looked like a discolored brain

[crisp matrix]

Same!

Cases like these, i feel like we need a reworked moodle

[paper lynx]

a lot of people dont really vibe with the new style, lets hope they adjust it at least a little

[wise ingot]

The issue is that we just lack examples of what it actually looks like in-game. It probably looks great in-game, we can trust them I doubt they lack visual taste and would make PZ "ugly"

[paper lynx]

that is true, but they still lack the contrast and soul the old ones had

we'll have to wait, the devs seem really confident in those changes despite the criticism

[gleaming lark]

Yet there shouldn't have to be mods

[paper lynx]

i really dont get the "just mod it" mentality

[glad stream]

can't wait for release ❤️

[quiet hazel]

[vernal cargo]

Slawg its cause theyre new

Yall aint used to em

They'll look better when theyre small

Stress one needs to change though

[gleaming lark]

I'm sorry but what is there to be confused about

We think the new moodles don't vibe

[paper lynx]

getting used to them wont fix how inferior they are

[vernal cargo]

Nostalgia blindness hits hard

[gleaming lark]

No

[vernal cargo]

Then just mod it back

[gleaming lark]

It just doesn't look as good

We shouldn't have to

Thats the point

[paper lynx]

a game should not need mods to look good

[vernal cargo]

is kinda ass compared to it

[quiet hazel]

Jesus lol

[gleaming lark]

Not really?

[paper lynx]

no its not lol

[gleaming lark]

Change is fine but this is a tonal shift

[vernal cargo]

This is whyI say we get a legacy/high quality switch to stop people from yapping to the dev

[vernal cargo]

Well thats your opinion

[paper lynx]

not only mine

[vernal cargo]

Like I say the stressed one is kinda wonk, others may love it

[paper lynx]

a lot of people think so

[vernal cargo]

NAHHH

[autumn steppe]

and a lot of people like the new moodles

[vernal cargo]

IS THIS TRUE??

[gleaming lark]

I'd be fine with that, except nasko said they don't want to support legacy

[vernal cargo]

OH MY HOT LOUISVILLE

[gleaming lark]

I mean bruh

[vernal cargo]

Yeahh

[gleaming lark]

Look through this thread

[vernal cargo]

Like it solves the bitching so easily

[gleaming lark]

Numerous people have the same opinion

Now that being said

I guess I'll just take it through a pixel filter

[gleaming lark]

Like this

Looks terrible

[vernal cargo]

🔥

[quiet hazel]

Lol

[gleaming lark]

Better if it was handmade

[quiet hazel]

[warm gazelle]

The new moodles look terrible

[vernal cargo]

:dedth:

[gleaming lark]

It's just too smooth

[vernal cargo]

Why did my emoji vanish

[warm gazelle]

Looks like a shitty flash animation from 2000s

[vernal cargo]

Is the pixel/smooth aspect noticeable when its on the top left of the screen

[gleaming lark]

Top right?

[vernal cargo]

Same thing

[gleaming lark]

I mean technically not but

[paper lynx]

It's on the screen so it is noticeable

[gleaming lark]

I will want to see it in game

[vernal cargo]

Barely

[paper lynx]

not barely if they indicate moodles

[vernal cargo]

Yeah we need some in game examples before we go mad

[gleaming lark]

Well I mean isn't that the point of the noodles

To display? 😆

[vernal cargo]

Yeah but it will barely change them

May be disorienting for a hot minute sure

[paper lynx]

it's a pretty huge difference

[vernal cargo]

Listen idc what they do

Just keep as exaggerated as it is

Thats all I care bout

[paper lynx]

I care about pz not looking like a mobile game ad

[vernal cargo]

Encumbrance desperately needs the moodle update

[paper lynx]

thats true

[vernal cargo]

Still gonna be pz just a few new icons

[quiet hazel]

Its still the same game you guys lol

[vernal cargo]

They aint gonna add WATCH AD FOR REVIVE

[gleaming lark]

It's just frustrating when we suggest something about a change and the devs just go "nah"

[vernal cargo]

WATCH AD FOR M16 AND AMMO

[limpid plank]

It's insane to me that of all the things you guys are still talking about moodles

[lost cove]

lol

[quiet hazel]

Right lmao

[gleaming lark]

Perhaps it should tell you something

[vernal cargo]

Moodles got everyone tweaking

[paper lynx]

i wonder why

[gleaming lark]

🤷‍♂️

[vernal cargo]

OH NO THE MOODLE THAT HAPPENS WHEN I DIE CHANGED

[limpid plank]

Like the first 10 times when we changed something and the same thing happened and then nobody said anything about it ever again

[paper lynx]

everyone said "it doesn't fit" for numerous things in the past tho so obviously that doesn't tell anyone anything

[limpid plank]

It's not like we've not been in this exact situation

[paper lynx]

maybe, just maybe, the community might be right for once

[quiet hazel]

Bruh

[limpid plank]

Yeah maybe

[real sinew]

Give it a while

[vernal cargo]

Make everyone mad by adding true realism, make gasoline expire and become unusable after year 1

[limpid plank]

We'll see won't we

[radiant pilot]

always the recruits talking

[gleaming lark]

I think that is being added lol

[real sinew]

Maybe wait until the unstable and you've played for it a bit

[quiet hazel]

Exactly lol

[vernal cargo]

The moodle change is needed dont get me wrong

[paper lynx]

Sorry i didn't join this discord when it was made

[gleaming lark]

Yeah veterans are saying the same thing gsk the point is moot

[paper lynx]

apparently that makes my opinion irrelevant

[real sinew]

Guess someone hasn't been reading thursdoids lmao

[solemn berry]

I made a great post of other things and it got ignored because moodles 😦

[vernal cargo]

Ive read the last 3

[radiant pilot]

no its just people who dont even talk here or active here talk the most shit

[real sinew]

They have stated gasoline will expire

[gleaming lark]

I'll turn that off

[vernal cargo]

Yeah like is nobody talking about how LEVEL 1 GUNS ARE USABLE

[vernal cargo]

Oh snap

[paper lynx]

so?

[vernal cargo]

Bike update gonna be wild

[radiant pilot]

biofuel

[real sinew]

Couldn't give u a link because it was ages ago and thursdoids blend together

[vernal cargo]

Or whatever other transport we get

[paper lynx]

that doesn't mean i found out about pz yesterday

[real sinew]

I think we are able to make a poor version of gasoline

With wood

[gleaming lark]

I haven't seen it yet

[vernal cargo]

I aint never seen a wood powered car

[gleaming lark]

Don't think it's something that is done irl

Lol yeah

[radiant pilot]

look at the moodle, literally no difference basically

[real sinew]

Yes because irl there is gas stations every other stop lmao

[radiant pilot]

yeah maybe you didnt, but maybe just maybe the devs know whats right

[real sinew]

Nasko has been stuck on typing for a while and I am scared

[vernal cargo]

Over time nob perishables should be eaten by things like rats and roaches

[limpid plank]

How long you've played the game or how long you've been on the Discord has very little meaning.

As I've said before, whenever we changed the look about something in the game, plenty of people didn't like it at first, no matter if it was the first 5 times the character look changed, when we showed the animations for the first time or the way characters looked with them, when we introduced cars, when we introduced 2X textures, or when we were showing crafting stations etc; the same thing happened. Time and time again.

People saw two moodles in a larger size than usual, two of the ones that had a bit more drastic change, one of which is the zombified moodle which you hardly fuckin see ever, and the other one is replacing an icon that people thought was a monkey lol

[gleaming lark]

Okay

[radiant pilot]

sorry wifi is bad right now it sent twice

[vernal cargo]

Yeah it doesnt look bad when its yk IN A MOODLE

[gleaming lark]

So we can't provide some constructive criticism then?

[limpid plank]

Holy shit my dude how do you get the impression that that is the takeaway

[quiet hazel]

Oh thank god itnreplaces the monkey

[limpid plank]

Like are you being obstuse on purpose at this point

[vernal cargo]

The stressed one is a little wonk I wont lie but it isnt terrible

[quiet hazel]

Now wheres the brainstem lol

[solemn berry]

What monkey

[paper lynx]

doesn't mean they shouldn't listen to the community

[vernal cargo]

The zombified one is fire

[real sinew]

I'm scared

[gleaming lark]

No man

[vernal cargo]

[gleaming lark]

I'm really not lol

[limpid plank]

You just said "it's frustrating when you say 'nah'" and I just explained our reasoning

[vernal cargo]

Took me a while to realize THIS IS A GUY

[solemn berry]

People thought that was a monkey? It's so cute

[limpid plank]

So when you immediately go OH SO I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING when we are having a conversation is insanely frustrating

[radiant pilot]

considering how much this community complains, its impossible

[limpid plank]

Acting like I'm suppressing anything or I'm telling you off

[vernal cargo]

"It doesnt fit with the game" 12 year old icons

[gleaming lark]

You're basically saying "well when we add something new they'll complain and then they'll stop so we don't need to listen"

[limpid plank]

Because

[gleaming lark]

That's what it sounds like to me

[limpid plank]

I just explained it lol

[vernal cargo]

I wont lie I do see that slightly

[gleaming lark]

I'm not trying to pisss you off

I'm just trying to convey my feelings

[vernal cargo]

But now looking back I cant blame em

[gleaming lark]

And yes I get that sometimes you gotta change things

[limpid plank]

If you don't understand that people always had stark reactions to any change we've made, and that this is exacerbated by seeing a change out of context, then I really can't find the words to further explain

[solemn berry]

Maybe the devs could release an image of them in game if they have it to ease some of your guys worries

[radiant pilot]

i sent one

[gleaming lark]

It just feels this one us rather drastic

[radiant pilot]

well it’s edited but it looks basically normal

[limpid plank]

But the notion that because of the current reaction it should be changed is just silly

[vernal cargo]

It aint even drastic

[gleaming lark]

Yes I agree

[solemn berry]

Oh I thought you were trolling and showing old ones lol

[radiant pilot]

no

[vernal cargo]

Its just them fitting the new styles

[limpid plank]

That's fair, it's a jump from pixel art for sure

But if you scale it down from the blog and slap it in a mockup you easily see how overblown the reaction is

[vernal cargo]

Exactly

It aint that bad when its 1/200 of the screen

[limpid plank]

And if not, that's fair too, but you don't get to paint us as brushing away fair criticism when this is so clearly not that

[radiant pilot]

edited photo of the new moodle ingame. most didnt even notice there was a difference.

[limpid plank]

Nor do you get to paint me as the guy just simply saying "nah" or the like

When I've explained our reasoning in this topic several times lol

But yeah

[gleaming lark]

And I would ask to not be brushed off as a vocal minority that will forget in 2 months

[limpid plank]

sorry for getting the wrong impression of what you said

[frigid thistle]

Too many people talking about moodles and no one talking about the western town

[gleaming lark]

And I'm sorry for being too whjny

[solemn berry]

I see it now you've pointed it out, certainly looks different and whilst I'm not the biggest fan I don't see it as a big issue

[gleaming lark]

I will await this in game then

[solemn berry]

My post did

[vernal cargo]

Yeehaw!

[gleaming lark]

Perhaps it will look better

[radiant pilot]

exactly it doesnt even look bad the new moodle in the edit

[solemn berry]

Some things that stood out feedback wise though but are really minor would be

1. Fence. I feel like some new fence designs at some point would be beneficial. Seeing the same fence used in the Western land was jarring a bit. I feel like this could be expanded on though with more tile assets for everything in a future build. I know every caravan feels similar.

2. This will probably be limited by the engine but I'd like it so you can't see what's below you in undergrounds. So it's a secret until you've explored. Ie. You'll never know how deep it is etc. Seems more realistic but again may be limited by engine.

3. The new emojis feel a bit different in style to the originals rather than just upscaled versions but I don't think that's important at all overall. Just an observation.

4. Using the ramps as a different elevation for the bunker entrance was very cool. Would like to see it more around the map at some point

[limpid plank]

When I said I find it insane that moodle talk is dominating this thread, I really just meant that, considering there was other cool stuff in there

But instead it's 1000+ comments about the moodles lol

[solemn berry]

I mean I just wanted an excuse to repost that but it does mention the western town

[vernal cargo]

Real (I did the exact same)

[paper lynx]

it sparks arguments, thats why

[limpid plank]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-blades-of-glory-it-gets-the-people-going-gif-13663783

[radiant pilot]

i’ll be honest they have some reasons. moodles havent changed in 13 years and some of the older players are fairly upset. i dont agree with them or side with them though, they just need to suck it up and change with the game

[solemn berry]

Personally I only read the pictures so the moodles gone done stood out

[gleaming lark]

See that's the attitude that irks me

"Just suck it up"

[radiant pilot]

this is the best time to use a suck it up. its a 8 pixel png

[gleaming lark]

How about I don't

[wise ingot]

I think anyone that doesn't want any discussion about moodles should just stop feeding people talking about it with more things to say

[vernal cargo]

does need a lil change too I wont lie

But you barely ever get drunk

[gleaming lark]

I like the pixel style

[vernal cargo]

Cause yk

[solemn berry]

Why will noone respond to my feedback instead of talking about moodles 😭

[vernal cargo]

1 beer gets you extremely tired in minutes

[gleaming lark]

I like how it looks and it adds character to the game

[radiant pilot]

people comstantly mistook the moodles as stuff they arent, u dont want that in ur game

where people think a guy holding a bag is a brainstem 💀

[vernal cargo]

Drunkness and tiredness need a revamp on how the correllate

Cause 1 beer will DRAIN you

[gleaming lark]

Then maybe the average player is dumb 😏

I also like the items being pixels in the inventory

[vernal cargo]

BOOOOOOO NEW MOODLE BOOOOOOOOOOO

[wise ingot]

Like I get it nasKo that you want to defend it and same for all the others but let them be mad about it, start new conversations about other subjects and those about the moodle will disappear after a while

I gave my view about the moodles at the start, understood the point of the dev team and I agree with it and now I would like to see other things discussed about but I can't because everytime I come in this channel it's "moodle here, moodle there" and even the dev team keeps talking about and even those who defend it

[paper lynx]

Best hope is for either the moodles to go through a few design iterations or fit in well with new ui

[vernal cargo]

Barely noticable so probably staying like that

[radiant pilot]

who said that was changing??

[solemn berry]

I keep trying 😭

[gleaming lark]

I think it can be fairly implied if they want to 4k things

[limpid plank]

Sorry but there was a lot of time between me addressing it again. Doesn't really work that way.

[paper lynx]

y'know, the ui revamp may have something to do with it

[radiant pilot]

i seroously cannot tell if youre rage baiting or not

[wise ingot]

Like let's make the word "Moodle" an auto-delete of messages in the channel and boom no problem. I think the whole community got the point that a lot of people hate the new moodle

[radiant pilot]

they aint even revamping it theyre improving it

big difference

[gleaming lark]

Are you just trying to make me want to say mean thjngs?

I'm legit not trying to rage bait

So you saying that is just coming off rude

[vernal cargo]

"Then maybe the average player is dumb 😏" 😭

[wise ingot]

Well idk, everytime I come in the channel everyone talks about the moodles so the rare times it's not mentionned it gets lost in all the flood of moodle talks

[gleaming lark]

Okay fair

[paper lynx]

that doesn't change that the item icons are going to have to change, especially since moodles are now getting a redesign

[gleaming lark]

I was partially joking on that but it's the internet so I shouldn't do that

[fringe wing]

it really does

[vernal cargo]

The item icons are fine

[limpid plank]

They'll have to change when inventory tetris becomes vanilla

[gleaming lark]

Oh God

[vernal cargo]

Oh no.

[paper lynx]

ohh naaaaa

[gleaming lark]

That might cause even more of an uproar 😆

[vernal cargo]

Makes sense though

[gleaming lark]

Ehhhh

[paper lynx]

real talk tho

[gleaming lark]

Let's not open that can of worms

[paper lynx]

whens the sex update

[limpid plank]

https://tenor.com/view/its-provocative-ronnie-engvid-its-annoying-its-irritating-gif-26778148

[solemn berry]

You know I've copy and pasted my feedback so we can come back to it later xo

[vernal cargo]

Also they should make it so when you pick up shit like fridges it auto equips in hands

[radiant pilot]

i was sorta confused abt the crafting segment of the post

[vernal cargo]

Cause I can have 2 fridges 1 in each hand

With like strength 1

[wise ingot]

Hey tbf I wouldn't be fully against it haha

[solemn berry]

In what way

[wise ingot]

I like inventory tetris but a looooot of people hate it

[radiant pilot]

so u can rip clothing without a workbench but lower quality or something??

[gleaming lark]

I like the way it is currently

[limpid plank]

Me neither, but I know a lot of people feel different 😄

[paper lynx]

they should make models for items, like in skizot's carryable everything

[solemn berry]

The way I understood it is

[wise ingot]

No, some crafts will be blocked without a surface to craft on

[gleaming lark]

I mean it would be neat as an official change

[solemn berry]

If you would need a table to craft it irl then you'll need one in game

[wise ingot]

(tho I find it ridiculous since you can get on the floor and use the floor as a crafting surface)

[limpid plank]

I suggested a move to it all the way back in 2012 and only in recent years did some warm up to the idea

[radiant pilot]

yeah tetris ui is becoming more common

[limpid plank]

There is a planned change but that's a change where two systems can easily work in tandem

[solemn berry]

Things like bandages cam be made without a table just like irl

[fringe wing]

i low-key like inventory tetris as it provides an extra level of immersion

[limpid plank]

And it's not gonna happen for a while

[fringe wing]

nothing more immersive than fumbling through your backpack to move things

[vernal cargo]

When do we get the update where we can go mine for diamonds and open the end portal

[radiant pilot]

it stops us from being able to put grills in gloveboxes :)

[gleaming lark]

Tell you what, keep the pixel graphics on items and I'll take the tetris

[radiant pilot]

💀

[paper lynx]

i disagree

dont do that

[gleaming lark]

Maybe I'll try teytid

Tetris in b42

[limpid plank]

Same but it's something a lot of people don't fuck with.

Which is understandable but also an easier remedy as that is something that can more easily be worked around than a lot of other changes where it wouldn't be feasible to have an options toggle for it.

[solemn berry]

Tetris UI isn't that much more realistic, it's a bit silly

[gleaming lark]

I don't use it so it don't break mods lol

[fringe wing]

imagine how stressful it would be to have to organize stuff in your inventory to make space for something while there's a zed slowly walking in your general direction

would be funny

[wise ingot]

It's not realistic but the fact you have to do an action to put things in your inventory does make it amazing at immersion

[paper lynx]

imo more realistic doesnt always mean more fun

[wise ingot]

You're more focused on the inventory part and even if you're not immersed you at least do something

[wise ingot]

Of course but in the case of inventory tetris it definitely makes looting more fun

[fringe wing]

hygiene system when 🥶

[gleaming lark]

First they came for my moodles

Then they came for my inventory 😭

[limpid plank]

Now I come for your noodle

[paper lynx]

that's up for debate, I would be down to try it, but i got tarkov ptsd

[gleaming lark]

Noooooooo

It's all I have

[quiet hazel]

noooooooooooo

[gleaming lark]

Now puppers feels my pain 😈

[fringe wing]

the most eventful tarkov run:

spawns
peeks around corner
immediately gets shot

[quiet hazel]

yeah but i can adapt

[gleaming lark]

Wow I feel called out

[quiet hazel]

lol

[gleaming lark]

I'm gonna adapt you into a bad netflix live action series

[solemn berry]

It would be more logical just to add size parameters as well as weight

[autumn steppe]

also, having to deal not only with weight, but space also

[solemn berry]

Ie bbq cannot fit in glove box due to size even though it can fit in weight wise

[limpid plank]

You could call it something like Emcumbrance

[solemn berry]

I'm going to pretend you aren't trolling me

[paper lynx]

getting bit by zombies cause i spent 20 minutes trying to fit a sledgehammer in my backpack

[fringe wing]

trying to put a generator in there would be quite funny

[paper lynx]

seems ideal

ong getting 2 generators in one car could be a huge problem

[vernal cargo]

[fringe wing]

trying to take the spiffo statue would be hell

[gleaming lark]

Oh right we should be arguing about moodles

[fringe wing]

maul this individual

[paper lynx]

adding npc quest for something like that would actually trigger flashacks

[gleaming lark]

😈

But for real last thing I'll say and move on

[paper lynx]

nah give it like 20 more minutes, we gotta have some regularity

[solemn berry]

The way I'd work it is each item has a size and a weight. So a bbq might not be that heavy but it is a big size.

Your backpack can carry 1 litre so you can stash any items up to that size.

However you're also limited by weight and what the strength of your character can deal with. So you can't put 500 dumbells in your inventory because it's too heavy despite dumbells being smaller in size

[gleaming lark]

I will want to see it in game and how the rest look

[solemn berry]

That would be a logical system over a gamified tarkov style I'd say

I've always wanted games to implement it that way

[gleaming lark]

I just feel the pixels have more character but I'll reserve further judgment

[paper lynx]

whatever any party says it always comes down to "well see" so

[vernal cargo]

No more backpack fridges

:(

[paper lynx]

no sovl...

[gleaming lark]

I mean I kinda like the way it works currently

[solemn berry]

Ofc you do

[gleaming lark]

Just curious how other things would affect it, like pack rat and encumbrance

[paper lynx]

wdym I can't fit 2 car wheels in my backpack?

[quiet hazel]

can we sleep in coffin though

[gleaming lark]

What the heck I thought I was agreeing with you lol

[solemn berry]

No bed or floor

[gleaming lark]

Don't be mean I'm very sensitive

[limpid plank]

You will sooner rather than later

[quiet hazel]

yay!!!

[gleaming lark]

Lmao

[paper lynx]

damn

[gleaming lark]

I mean get a sheet and a pillow and let her sleep in the coffin

[solemn berry]

I'm just trolling you know me, only 86% of what I say is not serious

[quiet hazel]

ill use naskos toe hair

[gleaming lark]

Tbf I don't know you as well

[solemn berry]

Gross

[gleaming lark]

Nasko is a hobbit confirmed

[solemn berry]

I normally torment genral chat

[gleaming lark]

Okay let's discuss new thing

[solemn berry]

General

[paper lynx]

getting my npc out of the coffin to harvest my crops after not seeing daylight for 5 days

[gleaming lark]

Gun rework neat

[solemn berry]

I have a list of 4 handy ready made things we can discuss

[vernal cargo]

Gun rework fire

[solemn berry]

Some things that stood out feedback wise though but are really minor would be

1. Fence. I feel like some new fence designs at some point would be beneficial. Seeing the same fence used in the Western land was jarring a bit. I feel like this could be expanded on though with more tile assets for everything in a future build. I know every caravan feels similar.

2. This will probably be limited by the engine but I'd like it so you can't see what's below you in undergrounds. So it's a secret until you've explored. Ie. You'll never know how deep it is etc. Seems more realistic but again may be limited by engine.

3. The new emojis feel a bit different in style to the originals rather than just upscaled versions but I don't think that's important at all overall. Just an observation.

4. Using the ramps as a different elevation for the bunker entrance was very cool. Would like to see it more around the map at some point

[quiet hazel]

i like that gun

[solemn berry]

Okay don't discuss 3 3 in banned

[gleaming lark]

But what about moodles

[solemn berry]

Pick 1 2 or 4 or death

[quiet hazel]

i swear to god lol

[paper lynx]

blurry screen for shortsighted

[vernal cargo]

Did yall hear about those new moodles

[gleaming lark]

Swear to me!

[vernal cargo]

Im joking

Dont touch me PLEASE IM SORRY

[solemn berry]

Can't believe they're adding short sighted but not long sighted

Gimme those squinting eyes

[quiet hazel]

that looks like fun , i never used the trait but would seriously consider it because it looks fun like playing with clumsy!

[paper lynx]

when I say old moodles you scream yeah! when i say new moodles you scream boooo!

[paper lynx]

it's honestly free points in 41

[vernal cargo]

Left handed right handed option for characters

[gleaming lark]

Bunkers

[solemn berry]

They should add condition to glasses so they break

[quiet hazel]

yeah thats why i never take it , i take high thirsty , which is already pretty easily managed

[gleaming lark]

Looking forward to giant underground areas like stalker

Inb4 nerf

[quiet hazel]

theyre negative traits for a reason so thats fine

[gleaming lark]

Hey can there be a trait so we can learn the trapping box automatically

[paper lynx]

crafting is gonna be pretty cool

making a workbench in your base n stuff

[gleaming lark]

Less reliance on rng

Can we use a fold up plastic table to craft

[solemn berry]

I hope there's a lot of new tiles for bunkers, the video on the doid just looked like exploring a normal building but underground

[quiet hazel]

cutting board

[solemn berry]

But will you need a table to use the cutting board

[limpid plank]

Honestly expected more chat about the trait changes, bit I guess it wasn't obvious 😄

[solemn berry]

What trait changes

[limpid plank]

👀

[solemn berry]

You mean the moodles?

Going to have to go reread the doid now

[tranquil shale]

also alcoholism will change in b42

[paper lynx]

did someone say moodles?

[gleaming lark]

I'm gonna complain about trait changes now

[solemn berry]

It'll be interesting to see what other traits are included with the changes

[quiet hazel]

ok but can we put snacks in it

[paper lynx]

guys, i think its time we talk about the moodles

[solemn berry]

Trying to think what ones might be effected

[paper lynx]

can we talk about the moodles?

[gleaming lark]

Count chocula

[paper lynx]

I'm dying to talk about the moodles

honestly though cant wait for those underground garages

imagine how many cars you could fit there

[solemn berry]

I would guess inconspicuous and conspicuous will be two traits that are affected heavily by clothing

[paper lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-going-insane-gif-13762155

[solemn berry]

Hearing as well

[paper lynx]

The vision ones are gonna get changed mostly i guess

please keep smoker free points tho thanks <3

[gleaming lark]

Smoking makes your fitness go down

Since you can't breath as good

[quiet hazel]

yea make it so stamina runs out faster

or whatever it called

[paper lynx]

nooo guys

come on, devs know best

anxiety is plenty

[solemn berry]

I do hope for dynamic traits in the future, so you can learn nutritionist or hot wiring etc

[gleaming lark]

I just install magazines

For nutritionist

[solemn berry]

I do that as well

Traits like axe man being able to be learned through enough log cutting etc

[quiet hazel]

wheres this dock sector

[solemn berry]

Just like real life you get better

[solemn berry]

Maybe the new boat area?

[quiet hazel]

playing i spy on pz map

[gleaming lark]

I want to be an electrical engineer who knows how to trap and fish along with nutrition

The low rng build

[zinc mesa]

yes!! hell yeah!!!

[thorn mango]

hi

[lost cove]

lol

[zinc mesa]

hi

[lost cove]

losing your glasses getting more intense

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DroppedGlasses

I wear glasses IRL but my vision is not blurry

[karmic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-contact-lenses-stupid-contacts-spongebob-searching-gif-11796300

[quiet hazel]

can we steal these cause i want them

[solemn berry]

I had a look and can't see anything that matches, it's not the new boat area. Potentially a new area we haven't seen

[lost cove]

bunkers and basements are going to be fun to have but having to set up some lamp on pillars to have emergency lights in case the power goes out while underground.

[solemn berry]

Also on the map there's a bridge being built that I never saw before in brandenberg

[karmic canopy]

As other suggested, shouldnt be some blur around you more noticable than outside?

[tardy heath]

https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/its-classified-tom-cruise-classified-private-secret-gif-19321610

[quiet hazel]

im trying!

[lost cove]

short sighted trait will no longer feel like a free negative trait points.

[karmic canopy]

What will be the free points trait in build 42?

[quiet hazel]

make it so we have to forage for a four leaf clover to get unlucky trait

[lost cove]

lol

[quiet hazel]

i meant lucky trait

[karmic canopy]

i guess i have the short sight trait IRL

[limpid plank]

short (sighted) king

[wise ingot]

Tbf I hope this makes it to the game, it would make it so amazing and for modding possibilities, like have gasmasks reduce your vision or blur your vision

[limpid plank]

Already a thing, pretty sure we mentioned it in a previous blog

[wise ingot]

yup kind of

But yeah this is so exciting since I love gasmasks and worked a bit on stuff related to them

[keen niche]

gugdog

[solemn berry]

Updog

[keen niche]

Wazzuh dawg

[karmic canopy]

watch there being speedruns to getting on top of a skyscraper

[karmic canopy]

no zeds category, zeds category

[wise ingot]

The bunker part will be amazing

tho definitely one of those places that will most likely be a death sentence if you don't make sure your exit is safe

[karmic canopy]

Reminds me of a mobile game i used to play it was kinda PZ but lowered down and p2w, it had a bunker thing and it was hard… i kinda want to relive that experience in a more fleshed out game

[quiet hazel]

i was just thinking that , i can totally see myself getting dedthd going in one

[dim cedar]

OH yeah speaking of other cool stuff
Will this "Vision System" be explored further in b42 or is it just glasses for now? Cause dam if items can affect your vision like that it opens up so much stuff, using binocules, night vision, thermal vision, maybe being on the dark too much and going out in the sun can also cause temporary blindness, this vision thing is really awesome

[lyric wadi]

So you hate pancakes????

[dim cedar]

was def my favorite part about this thursdoid

[wise ingot]

yup they will explore it further from what I understood

Temporary blindness when going out in the sun

[gleaming lark]

Let's not start that again

[limpid plank]

Most of the stuff we do is usually with more than just one thing in mind.
If we ever actually get to do what we want to is another story, but being able to explore more avenues in that direction is certainly something we're hoping to do

[wise ingot]

True nerds vision

[dim cedar]

can't wait for sunglasses to darken your vision and make it almost impossible to see at night so the folks will stop using them 24/7

[gleaming lark]

I think we have come to a respectful discussion after figuring things out

[dim cedar]

Oooooooh that is so cool

[wise ingot]

yea same for gasmasks or helmets

[gleaming lark]

I dunno if I want my vision to be severely reduced lol

[quiet hazel]

my friend was in the navy and let me try one of his gas masks and it was so hard to see and i felt claustrophobic in it

[dim cedar]

its fun
at least for RP ways

[dim cedar]

dam imagine clothings affecting claustrophobic traits

[gleaming lark]

I've worn m50s, they are surprisingly easy to see stuff

[quiet hazel]

bunkers already trigger me

[hard pelican]

maybe helmets could make your cone of vision smaller
gasmask could make it blurry after x distance

[gleaming lark]

But yeah it could be clausto

Ehhhhhh

[dim cedar]

That thing of helmets making your cone smaller was already shown if I'm not wrong

It looked really cool

[hard pelican]

i dont rmember 🤔 maybe

[gleaming lark]

It'll just become super tedious

Taking it on and off

[radiant pilot]

i remember

they said something about helmets and masks etc changing how u play

[limpid plank]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/11/one-door-openz/

[radiant pilot]

and how zeds with helmets and such will have a much harder way to kill

yeah

[dim cedar]

niceeee

[radiant pilot]

that was what i was going off of

[hard pelican]

Heck yea

[dim cedar]

dam this b42 will be a complete game changer

[radiant pilot]

would be cool if we got some voip changes. masks and helmets muffling ur voice, and same with bejng in a big empty room maybe havign an echo

same with underground changing voip argh

[quiet hazel]

peanut voices

[dim cedar]

would say even more then b41 tbh, it overhauled the animations but this b42 is like overhauling the entire zomboid

so cool

[radiant pilot]

maybe radio voip gets a static to it also

voip is underrated in every game honestly

so much potential with all of them

[wise ingot]

👀

[lost cove]

if masks on zombies prevent them from biting the player

[wise ingot]

Would be a funny one

[vernal cargo]

Can we get a 0.1% chance for a zombie to be toothless so instead of landing a bite it does 0 damage (but infects you if it hits a wound)

Wrong channel I think

[limpid plank]

Did we not mention that in a blog too

Pretty sure we did

[solemn berry]

If you did it's an old one

[vernal cargo]

Deaf characters should arise as deaf zombies

[lost cove]

not sure if that was mentioned

[solemn berry]

I can't remember it

[quiet hazel]

so we can have pet zombers?

[limpid plank]

Oops then

Don't tell the rest

[hard pelican]

those little facemasks actually stoping the transmision of dissease

[vernal cargo]

New zomboid next build leak dropped

[hard pelican]

we will keep it a secret 🤝

[solemn berry]

Can we dress zombies

[wise ingot]

Why have AI when you can just have a pet-boid

[gleaming lark]

Make them shopkeepers

[quiet hazel]

who needs donkeys when we have zombie

[solemn berry]

Yes I do actually

Waffles and crepes though they're great

[gleaming lark]

Crepes are yum

[lost cove]

imagine zombies attacking your livestock

[frigid thistle]

I don't get the emphasis on the wooden coffins. Am I missing something? Looks like any another piece of furniture

[solemn berry]

Maybe it's like the sims where they add a new woohoo location each build

[gleaming lark]

Thankfully they wont

[dim cedar]

OOOOOO

[terse cliff]

too high res

pixelart was perfect

[hard pelican]

😳

[solemn berry]

Babe wake up new moodle discussion just dropped

[gleaming lark]

Don't talk about #3

[quiet hazel]

can we use zombies as a pack animal?

[terse cliff]

My main concern will remain the lack of bows in thursdoids. i pray for them everytime

[frigid thistle]

I'm worried about the lack of horses

[dim cedar]

they showed the tech tree for it

[terse cliff]

yea but no items

[dim cedar]

prob waiting for players to actually find about it ingame, it will def be way cooler to see it

[solemn berry]

Dude get with the times pixels are out

[quiet hazel]

lol i love it

[frigid thistle]

Michonne moment

[gleaming lark]

I want to know what will become of cars and guns

[frigid thistle]

Horses and spears will take their place

[gleaming lark]

Like in hears later situations.

Yeah see I don't want that

[frigid thistle]

Why not?

[quiet hazel]

rusty piles

[gleaming lark]

Because then it makes those skills useless

Why bother with them

[frigid thistle]

I guess you could always install a mod to extract and refine that black stuff that makes fuel (I don't remember it's name lol)

[gleaming lark]

I'd rather have some ability to use them

As I said before one shouldn't have to mod lol

I get there's realism but still

[frigid thistle]

Well... Mechanics could be re purposed to be used for any kind of machinery

[gleaming lark]

I mean yeah but then why have a detailed car system of it just becomes useless after a couple years in game

[quiet hazel]

what is the longest you have lived in game?

[gleaming lark]

That's not my point puppers

[frigid thistle]

Well you could say the same thing about the radio and TV shows

[gleaming lark]

Just cuz "oh you'll never see it" doesn't mean we can't have a conversation on it

Well TV has vhs

And cds

[quiet hazel]

i was just curious cause i never live that long , im hoping with animals and stuff ill have a better incentive to be more careful

[gleaming lark]

Ah

Sorry for assuming diggernely then

It's not the cars I'm worried about though

But rather fuel

[wide rain]

Pvp fix is hot as fuck

first time im pretty happy with a devblog

[gleaming lark]

Cars can be patched up I'm sure

[distant tartan]

Does the floor work as a handy surface

[frigid thistle]

There's no way a single dude alone on the world manages to make fuel on his own

That's why the are adding horses to the game 🤞

[distant tartan]

Inb4 vaush moment

[terse cliff]

Nah you can make a sandwich midair

its not gonna be a pretty sandwich-

but its possible in the air and with the ground alone

[gleaming lark]

Which leads back to my original argument

I'd rather have a car than a horse

[limpid plank]

I don't follow

[wise ingot]

Yeah definitely lmao

[limpid plank]

Wdym

[frigid thistle]

Same, but I also like the idea of cars becoming useless after years

[wise ingot]

[frigid thistle]

Like in TWD

[limpid plank]

If you don't want that, wouldn't you just tweak it in the sandbox?

[terse cliff]

realistically speaking about after a year due to chemical degradation they would start to be useless as the gasoline falls apart

[gleaming lark]

Yes but I'm asking for suggestions for ways to allow it in game without tweaking

[quiet hazel]

lol

[frigid thistle]

Yeah yeah but realistically speaking zombies would die in a week ☝️🤓

[limpid plank]

Ah okay I just don't understand then

[terse cliff]

actually no- no...

nvm what i said, the gasoline would be less potent but remain useful
Just give it a good shake to get the compounds mixed together proper again

Should last for... about half a decade before it turns into soop?

[gleaming lark]

I guess I'm going back to my original feelings about the direction of the game going medieval

And yes yes there's settings so why complain

Because perhaps there are other ways

[frigid thistle]

That's better. Gas becoming useless over time and forcing you to rely on horses is also cool

[gleaming lark]

But I don't want to have to ride horses

I want cars

[compact grove]

i mean, 5 years is a long time 👀

[quiet hazel]

what would you suggest? or like to see

[frigid thistle]

I think the record is 10 years, so most players won't even see it lol

[compact grove]

granted, it seems like an easy thing to add to options or via mods, as currently gasoline lasts forever already

[gleaming lark]

A way to maybe make biofuel perhaps

We got Coen

[autumn raven]

Everyone’s talking about moodles when the real travesty here is that there’s no Z in the title

[gleaming lark]

Corn

[quiet hazel]

is that hard to do? i dont know anything about making that stuff

[gleaming lark]

Wellllll there lies the other half of it lol

Where would that knowledge be

[quiet hazel]

would you need a factory? how much corn , would you need people to help?

[gleaming lark]

I did a small dive into it

[compact grove]

they did show off proper factory machines for making soda, didn't they? maybe..

[gleaming lark]

Not sure how viable it is

Same problem with ammocrafting

You need primers and such

Plus it's the 90s

So now you see the conundrum

Which as Fred points out: horses

[distant tartan]

How many floors can a generator reach, if theres a bunker that has more floor than the generator can reach then is flashlight the only option

[solemn berry]

I mean there's no reason you shouldn't be able to learn to make biofuel and car parts

Tyres may be a problem

But the mechanical parts should be doable

It's just more if the devs want to do that

[wise ingot]

Mods will probably end up adding that anyway if it's not added in

[gleaming lark]

I guess the question becomes how do you learn it

And can you

[wise ingot]

You know it's like books don't exist anymore ?

._.

[solemn berry]

Same way you learn when a child, take it apart and put it together again and reading etc

[gleaming lark]

Well yes yes

But was this something available in the 90s

[solemn berry]

I mean it's kentucky

[gleaming lark]

I can google right now and find it

[wise ingot]

Biofuels ? Good question. I would say yes but definitely not as available as today

[gleaming lark]

Lmao trueeee

[solemn berry]

Everything would be in textbooks etc

We weren't cavemen you know aha

[wise ingot]

Yeah

Loads of researches were done even back then

[solemn berry]

It was definitely more complicated than just googling

[gleaming lark]

https://biodiesel.com/history-of-biodiesel-fuel/

[wise ingot]

I wouldn't even be surprised if biofuels were a thing in the early 1900s

[gleaming lark]

It was it seems, but it wasn't becoming prevalent until the 90s

[wise ingot]

Exactly lol

[solemn berry]

But if you didn't have it at home you'd go to a local library, if they didn't have it a city library, if not there university libraries

[wise ingot]

yeah because no point to it since we had and still have oil

[gleaming lark]

So my question still stands: how does it get to the local kentukian

[wise ingot]

that

[solemn berry]

Louisville University

Libraries were the font of all knowledge

[wise ingot]

If you've seen TWD and some of the later seasons, you see them going to a museum to retrieve historical farming tools

[gleaming lark]

I stopped after season 1

[wise ingot]

That would literally be something similar for a bunch of stuff or the library overall

[gleaming lark]

Seemed like a good place to stop😆

[solemn berry]

You're making me feel old explaining pre Google days

[wise ingot]

You definitely should watch the rest tbf

[gleaming lark]

Ehhhhhhh

[wise ingot]

If you're into zombie stuff you're missing something

[paper lynx]

nah dont watch the shows

[wise ingot]

Even if the later seasons aren't perfect to a lot of people, especially after Negan era, the serie still gets back up on its feet in the last seasons

[paper lynx]

read the comics, 10x better

[wise ingot]

Both have became their own thing tbf

[gleaming lark]

Now

Eh nvm

Guns I can adjust with ammo dropping from zeds and supplementing with bow and arrow

[wise ingot]

God damn yes bows are coming in b42

Crazy stuff

[solemn berry]

Not initially

[wise ingot]

They are coming anyway or the systems to implement them

Doesn't matter, they are coming for b42 anyway lol

[solemn berry]

How will we use them without google

[wise ingot]

lmao I wonder :))))

[paper lynx]

bows will probably be op for aiming skill farming

[solemn berry]

I can't believe how old I feel

[wise ingot]

OP ? Depends tbf

How old are you ?

[paper lynx]

overpowered

[wise ingot]

Yes I fucking know what that means lmao

[paper lynx]

oh lol

[wise ingot]

Just depends

[paper lynx]

better safe

[wise ingot]

Making good arrows isn't available to anyone, nor making a bow

yeah np

[quiet hazel]

yeah im wondering how they will balance them so people dont meta them to hell when there are other cool weapons out there

[paper lynx]

i mean they dont have to be good, just easy to make

[wise ingot]

They won't be easy, definitely not

Considering they are adding crafting quality, if you don't want a shit ass bow you'll have to grind the fuck out of it

[paper lynx]

wont they be similar to spear in crafting?

you can make like 10 of them and start poking

[solemn berry]

If I could hazard a guess I would say arrows limited to your quiver

[wise ingot]

#1154509563173814483 message

[wise ingot]

What's the point of making 10 of them ???

[paper lynx]

they break easily

[gleaming lark]

To have 10

[wise ingot]

No it won't just be about them breaking easily

[gleaming lark]

Spears are being reworked though

[quiet hazel]

and we would need a crafting table to make so could be alright thens?

[wise ingot]

They will have less strength, aim worse than a good crafted bow

If quality for items is added, that's not just your durability of the item going down with a shitty bow

It would probably be a lot more than that

[paper lynx]

ohh i getchu

and all those workbenches i guess

[solemn berry]

I'd say so, you'd need to level woodcrafting, metal working and a Fletching skill to make stronger arrows

[quiet hazel]

like making a bow when your a kid and it goes like 1 foot when you shoot it lol

[solemn berry]

It could be well balanced

[wise ingot]

Like seriously, making a bow that's able to do its job is noooot easy man

[solemn berry]

They should just hire me to balance stuff

[wise ingot]

Exactly

[frigid thistle]

I hope they remove life and living in B42 🤞

[undone roost]

I was thinking, has it been mentioned at all if the condition of all/most items will deteriorate in the long run? Eg like years down the line an axe might have lost condition from rust

[wise ingot]

what why ?

[paper lynx]

as long as it helps you level up aiming

[gleaming lark]

I hope they remove Fred Cooper from the server

[wise ingot]

[paper lynx]

+1

[gleaming lark]

It'd be funny

[quiet hazel]

but wouldnt that depend on the craftmanship of bow?

[wise ingot]

Yeah

[paper lynx]

wym

[quiet hazel]

will we take a arrow to the knee?

[wise ingot]

Like how do you train aiming when your bow is literally incapable of hitting its target ?

[quiet hazel]

ya

[undone roost]

try and try again

[wise ingot]

You could also make the bow give more XP the better it is

[paper lynx]

something will eventually hit

[quiet hazel]

yeah our knees

[paper lynx]

hitting something = aiming xp

[wise ingot]

You know to grind Nimble you just have to right click and walk against a wall right ? Does this make it easy to grind the skill ? ABSOLUTELY NOT

And again shitty bow = shitty hitting = shitty XP gain

[paper lynx]

time consuming maybe

[quiet hazel]

ew is that what people do lol

[wise ingot]

If it takes you 2 weeks of missing arrows just to grind +1 level of aim oh boy

[paper lynx]

but nimble isnt a skill everyone grinds

[wise ingot]

It's the worst skill in existence, there's literally no other way to grind it

[gleaming lark]

Nah that belongs to first aid

[wise ingot]

After a day of walking against a wall you will have gained like 50 XP bro

[paper lynx]

im thinking more like replacing small revolvers with crafted bows in grinding aim skill

[wise ingot]

No that's easy because you just go walk on glass without boots and you grind it like that

[gleaming lark]

Oh you mean grimding

[quiet hazel]

nerf that lol

[wise ingot]

Yes it's not because you can't fucking grind it that's my point lmao
But the skill is so insanely good that it can easily be worth it

[paper lynx]

they're remaking first aid in 42 right? since leveling it rn doesnt have much benefits

[quiet hazel]

what does higher first aid even do ?

[wise ingot]

let's hope so

[wise ingot]

I don't even know lol, I think it heals your wound faster but not sure

[frigid thistle]

It's too overpowered. The best strategy in a zombie game shouldn't be "stay home for a week and watch TV". I'd rather focus on the lore in the radio and other TV channels and leave life and living for VHS tapes

[quiet hazel]

yea i have no idea , i die so much i hardly get to grind anything if im honestly being

[wise ingot]

I mean yeah I guess but eh it's still a likeable part of the game and I guess you can just play 12 months later and done

Or even start a month later

[gleaming lark]

Sadly not much

[paper lynx]

I mean grinding aim skill right now starts with either shotguns or small revolvers that are quieter than most guns

so bows could be the move

[gleaming lark]

It helps with healing a bit but

Not the main wounds, just broken bones

[wise ingot]

Again my point stands, if it takes you 2 weeks to get +1 level of aiming that's not worth it at all bro

[paper lynx]

honestly mods nerfing first aid are a must for me rn

[wise ingot]

You're better off cheesing hordes of zombies with shooting shotguns

[gleaming lark]

Nerfing?!?!?

[wise ingot]

Like the game is actually easy asf bro

[gleaming lark]

What's there to nerf lmao

[paper lynx]

nerfing it in the early levels

[wise ingot]

Nerfing first aid ??? what ? You mean add more needing for healing

[paper lynx]

so it would make sense to level it up

[gleaming lark]

It doesn't do jack squat lol

[wise ingot]

I think his point is not nerf it but just add more uses to leveling up first aid

Like to do correct bandages you need higher level in first aid or to suture a deep wound you need levels in first aid and shit like that

[paper lynx]

i mean like Pie's First Aid Overhaul mod

[wise ingot]

yup

[quiet hazel]

well from what i have noticed is that a lot of people customize the game to their liking along with mods so yeah its probably going to look/be easy , i have never lived longer than a month

[paper lynx]

like screwing up even bandaging, infections actually doing something etc

[gleaming lark]

I have a nerfed version of disinfect or die

I don't want to go too insane with changes ATM

I like vanilla plus

[paper lynx]

pies overhaul is pretty good tho

it's actually reasonable stuff

[wise ingot]

Yeah I find it very good too

[gleaming lark]

Oh I saw it

Hmmm

[quiet hazel]

cauterization would hurt , is there long downtime for using that method for first aid? I would at least hope so

[gleaming lark]

Yeah it's not too shabby

[upper spade]

Oh absolutely, and to be fair, playing it modded (that is, if any of them worked at all) on the unstable would just kind of make testing it pointless tbf. Not quite sure what prompted the spamming feedback comment but alright.

[gleaming lark]

Yeah that's why I want to avoid too many mods that change shit

Or unsupported mods

[limpid plank]

Just his PTSD lol, no worries

New build releases, and people spam mod pages about it when a mod broke

[upper spade]

Pfft, fair enough.

[shut obsidian]

You can't just do a really bad job of auto-pixelating and use that as proof lmao 😂

[gleaming lark]

But why isn't my brita and hydrocraft mods not working

Bruv we've moved on

Get with the times

[shut obsidian]

The times people ask for the roadmap?

[gleaming lark]

I've said my piece, ill wait for the in game Pics