Cellar Door-doid

[silver tiger]

It's gonna be hard to code, but it'll be worth it.

[jagged sentinel]

That and we need a reason to have defensive barriers

[silver tiger]

Destructible defensive barriers!

Like "we could destroy a flimsy wooden barrier with a shotgun" kind of destruction.

Could also feed into the crafting system: needing to repair your walls and barriers after a combat encounter!

The devs also said that they want to balance combat between skill and stats.

I think the simplest way to accomplish that is to simply make it so that aiming closer to a target focuses on their head.

But what about melee combat? What should be done to fix that?

And regarding punching, how do we tell the game when we want to punch and when we want to shove? Do only humans get punched?

Should we have a non-lethal tackle, or will that be way too complicated?

[jagged sentinel]

Probably too complicated

And dangerous

I don’t think one would want to tackle a zed

[dusky jasper]

I've been thinking about that, maybe have a modifier or toggle key that when held or pressed in the look around mode, toggles it to a different melee attack types, from shoves, to punches, etc

[mystic hamlet]

Well the game already has something like a condition system for different animations, like the knife

Something similar could probably be implemented for human vs human combat

[silver tiger]

But the problem is what if we want to shove the human?

[mystic hamlet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat hamlet]

Most likely there would just be some kind of dodging action and maybe the ability to block with a melee weapon. Cant see hand to hand combat getting much love. Not really sure how they can make PvP gunplay actually work but im excited to find out

I do like what state of decay did with their hand to hand though

Reminded me a bit of dead rising too.
Tbh if state of decay and PZ had a baby that would be like, the perfect zombie survival game

[open nimbus]

I think for this you will need gloves or fists, everything is fine with pvp, but you definitely don't want to beat the zeds with your bare hands

Hitting them on the body sounds ineffective, and if you hit them on the face, your fists will most likely be scratched and covered in their blood and saliva

Almost like being bitten, but not out of carelessness, but out of my own stupidity

[wheat hamlet]

Wrestling moves and kicks are where its at

Well.. some wrestling moves

Most would be risky af. Also silly like in DR lol

[silver tiger]

Oh yeah! Imagine if we could kick in the game!

[torn holly]

Yes

Probably not this update maybe not the one after

But i see theres quite a high chance for some new ones

[jagged sentinel]

One thing I’m interested in is The changes to siphoning gas

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-skinner-principal-otto-gas-gif-25696128

[silver tiger]

Imagine if gas siphoning speed was tied to the fitness skill, because the better your lungs, the better you siphon.

[jagged sentinel]

Lol

I’m more hoping for a siphon pump

[zinc prism]

weird logic of PZ siphon gas

[solid sentinel]

Not really a gun but they talked about to maybe exploe the possibility of a flamethrower in the future if i remember right

[torn holly]

Its a firearm in a sence, so counts

[silver tiger]

We're gonna get flamethrower mods within the hour B42 drops if flamethrowers aren't implemented by then.

[zinc prism]

gas cans currently have some magical pumping ability to syphon gas until the hose get added to siphon gas.

[runic lagoon]

you don't keep a hose coiled inside your gas cap? what a rookie move

[foggy steeple]

Currently, fire and explosives feel underwhelming in the game. It would take a vfx overhaul for me to get excited about using a flamethrower

[zinc prism]

imagine hand grenades in PZ in build 42.

[mystic hamlet]

Fire is being reworked for b42

[silver tiger]

Well, we know fire effects and fire spread are getting reworked.

[foggy steeple]

Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Thank you!

[zinc prism]

once fire starts it never goes out unless it rains and in the cell.

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah it’s pretty OP and also annoying

[fiery prawn]

Doesn't it depend on the source?

e.g. a house fire can burn down the house, a fork in the microwave can burn down the entire world, a zombie on fire can get cached and effectively teleport offscreen all over the place and set random things on fire

[pseudo linden]

Thrsdoid tomorrow?

[steel saffron]

hopefully

also wdym tomorrow

[sudden scaffold]

sometimes they released on friday

[steel saffron]

damn

[jagged sentinel]

Nasko made it sound like there won’t be one this week

[spiral sonnet]

It is next week

#tweets

[jagged sentinel]

Oh fuck look at that spear

Spears finally becoming viable?!!

[sudden scaffold]

spear is always viable

GOAT tier weapon

[jagged sentinel]

Expect the part where it breaks after five hits

[sudden scaffold]

spear is so easy to craft I mean

[silver tiger]

I was originally thinking, when looking at the new spear image, "sure, we can make dedicated spear heads, but that doesn't make the actual shaft any tougher than any other base spear," but then I realized: we're getting craftable higher-grade weapon parts, we we'll probably be able to craft wooden spear shafts with higher durability than normal spears!

[jagged sentinel]

However

It’s very likely gonna require experience in the blacksmiths profession

[silver tiger]

To make the head, sure. The shaft probably the carpenter, and likely anybody for binding the two together, with the material you use for binding also affecting weapon durability.

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah it does seem like they want different professions doing different things

Which could be…..annoying

Mainly for single player anyway

I know they mentioned all of them would be available but

[silver tiger]

I'm curious how they'll balance it for a single player experience. Maybe an option to disable affinities?

[jagged sentinel]

I think that what was mentioned

Or you can have an affinity for one profession but not the others, yet you can still learn

Won’t know until it’s released

[zinc prism]

metal tipped spears excellent.

[jagged sentinel]

Maybe it’ll have a 1/20 of damage

Or durability lowering rather

[pseudo leaf]

You can carry like 20

[jagged sentinel]

I ain’t carrying 20 spears lol

Very inefficient

[pseudo leaf]

I think if they commit too hard to affinity you can just change the settings to increase XP gain in general to level faster

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah I think they confirms something will be available in the sandbox

[pseudo leaf]

Also perhaps if they're adding craftable objects there will also be lootable versions of it, like getting a spear head from a store for example, and you could focus on maintaining it if spears are your MO, since maintenance is far easier than construction from scratch

Hell there's a mod on the workshop called fire axe reforged, the entire point is reclaiming the valuable metal head of the fire axe when it breaks and replacing the renewable handle, importing spear heads opens the door for all that

And in singleplayer since you have all the loot in the world to yourself, there's less need for the ability to build from scratch for an individual

[jagged sentinel]

I think it’s been mentioned some of it could be lootsble

[silver tiger]

Ohhh. That sounds good! The devs could look into the viability of being able to reclaim parts of broken weapons. It could even be as simple as weapons breaking having a chance to spawn parts on the ground and have those parts have conditions similar to the weapon it came from. So if it's bloody, or a bit used, it'll be bloody and have some condition wear.

[zinc prism]

imagine crops in flower pots.

[silver tiger]

GARDENING POTS 🤩
It seems so simple in retrospect, but it makes perfect sense!

[zinc prism]

being able to carry your crops to help us transport our fresh vegtables.

[silver tiger]

Although, it could mean having to make new sprites for every plant that can grow in pots. I don't think they can re-use existing ones and just shift them up. The current set of the sprites for plants are for growing on a square tile.

So either new sprites for every plant, or every gardening pot is as big and square as an actual tile and just shifted up from where it would be from the ground.

[silver tiger]

That's one good reason to use pots! Being able to transport your crops!

And maybe pots would have more resistance to certain pests since they can't catch them from the ground

[zinc prism]

logic of carrying a bowl of water in backpack

water shutoff is a joke since there is still water in the pipes making water collector barrels useless unless they remove ability to get water from sinks , bath tubs and toilets.

[ruby ridge]

well removing it from toilets would make zero sense lmao but i see ur point

[zinc prism]

water pipes going dry and not getting enough water to fill multiple water bottles.

[ruby ridge]

i like using the mod “water becomes tainted” bcz water aint just gonna sit in pipes for months or years and be perfectly healthy

water “expires” irl so it makes sense

[zinc prism]

you could fill 20 water bottles from a bath tub after water goes out.

it would be nice if drinking from the toilets could make player sick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6WkUqD0e8A

[mystic hamlet]

devs could alleviate that by making water go stagnant

[dusky jasper]

That and you’re barely going to get a cup of water from leftover water in a pipe, let alone enough to hand wash any clothes with. I’d prefer seeing pipe water reduced by 90% on top of going stale

[wheat hamlet]

Valid through and through

[wheat hamlet]

This shit always irks me 🤣

Ive said it before but im really hoping to be able to climb/land on parked cars. All the depth system improvements should make this possible

I hope they dont go overboard with zeds reactions to lights though. They should mostly be drawn to lights turning on/moving lights and not so much persistent light

[cedar sage]

There is a mod who make the water be tainted after 2 or 3 days; n game

[open nimbus]

I'm enjoying this conversation. Anyone who plays Zomboid knows that the game is actually easy, you'll die of boredom because there's nothing else to do (I love the game). We need these adjustments to make things more difficult and create problems for us to solve.

[wheat hamlet]

⬆️

So true, even the best survival gameloop can only sustain a player for so long. I feel like the radio in game could be an excellent way to present the player with interesting scenarios that come with risks and rewards. Things to do beyond survival

Some of the side scenarios you can play ought to be woven into the full sandbox/survival game mode. For example maybe you overhear about a tall building heavily infested with zeds but with special loot at the very top. When NPCs come into play random Dead Rising style psychos to take out could be fun. Maybe a Pyromaniac sets up at a gas station in Muld throwing mollies at anyone that comes near. Maybe a sniper locks down the main commercial street in West Point.

[open nimbus]

It's practically impossible to die of hunger or thirst; at no point do you need to plan to manage food or water. I play with the maximum number of zombies and the minimum amount of items, and still, resources are extremely abundant. I don't miss missions or NPCs; I just miss challenges. A new preset configuration beyond the apocalypse, a new mode where we will really have to think to survive.

[foggy steeple]

With the addition of NPCs, there's an opportunity to rebalance the survival mechanics by introducing labor division, adding depth to the gameplay. The military conducting sweeps and aggressively eliminating threats (including survivors), and burning the bodies, could serve as a major early-game antagonist. As the game progresses, the threat could shift to raiders attacking your base.

[wheat hamlet]

Totally agree. All that stuff is gonna work out, even if mods have to drive parts of it home

[open nimbus]

I agree! But we know that NPCs will take an unimaginable amount of time. Before that, it would be good to have a balancing of difficulties.

[silver tiger]

We're not drinking from the bowl, we're drinking from the cistern!

[zinc prism]

its weird we could drink from these toilets that don't have the tank.

[spiral sonnet]

The player's character just puts its head into the toiler lmao

Never heard about drinking this way and not getting sick? smh

Oh wait nvm

People don't use toilets for anything other than drinking in PZ 🤣

[zinc prism]

im suprised we can drink from the showers.

[steel saffron]

nah, tbf the character may drink using hands

[zinc prism]

the animation of drinking from toilet seems to look like they are drinking from the bowl lol

[dusk current]

Water should be more hard to get. Right now you will never run out of water

[jagged sentinel]

Don’t think that’s gonna change as long as rain collectors exist

[dusk current]

At least you have to grind for rain collectors and they make sense... Kinda
Sinks, toilets and bathtubs having lots of drinkable water even after years makes zero sense and make water something you barely have to worry about

[sharp maple]

Reminds me of an old comment I read from a CataDDA thread in 2012..
"Treat all water as if it had come from a toilet left with a giant turd swimming in it. Yeah, you had better boil that water"

[mystic hamlet]

brings me back when I drank radioactive sewage water

I didnt even fucking mutate I just ended up dead 3 days later

[open nimbus]

Why should water be hard to find? You can filter water from a puddle through a cloth, boil it and drink it without any problems

[tough cloud]

Yeah rural Kentucky isn’t a dry arid desert

[mystic hamlet]

He's talking about when the water shuts off, there's still a lot of fresh water inside of pipes years after the apocalypse

[open nimbus]

Guys, very important question here

Can my character grow hair if I started bald?

[jagged sentinel]

Yes

[ruby ridge]

is this tested

[jagged sentinel]

Maybe I’m mixing bald with bald spot

[open nimbus]

Nevermind

He died

[terse fern]

It shouldn’t stay clean in pipes 3 years after the water shut off

the point is you should have to filter and boil the water, not just drink from whatever is nearby

[jagged sentinel]

In the end that wouldn’t make a huge difference

Although it would probably make early game more challenging

[pseudo leaf]

They uh
They tend to do that

[north orbit]

This is how you died.... a bald man

[pseudo leaf]

Cue ad read for whatever the latest antibaldness thing is

Is it still keeps? Are they still throwing out sponsorship

[lost dew]

anyone remember if the devs said anywhere if they gonna add animations for the new stations like the character will beat with an hammer on the anvil?

[heady ore]

Can zombie fluids help regrow hair? Somebody should test this theory.

[zinc prism]

4 more days until thursdoid arrives.

[outer cobalt]

😦 #1126983000006086817 got shut down

probably because of that guy @ing two devs

[ruby ridge]

ohh great gods bless us with a IWBUMS build

[pseudo leaf]

What channel is that? It's showing as "unknown"

[outer cobalt]

the knox event: a real time retelling

[pseudo leaf]

Ahhh

I mean it's been a hot minute since anything was added to the real time retelling anyways. I wonder if the devs moved that kind of writing effort into the main game already and if so, the account and the channel wasn't long for this world anyways

More accurately, I hope they moved that writing effort to the main game, radios could always do with more lines for immersion

[outer cobalt]

that was already in the game

it was taken from the game radios and put into discord/twitter to retell it

[jagged sentinel]

Wow this zombie retelling thing is great

They should make a game with it

[pseudo leaf]

Wait then what was the point of the Twitter account if it's in the game

[fiery prawn]

Fun, promoting it to people whom have a Xitter account but don't have the game, etc

[desert gull]

What is a xitter account?

[ruby ridge]

x is twitter now so

xitter 🤷‍♂️

[desert gull]

Oh, i didnt know anybody actually called twitter x

[ruby ridge]

i dont

[spiral sonnet]

No, it wasn't

Most of it was new, with only a couple in-game texts put into the mix so people know when the radio's at

[outer cobalt]

Really? Wow

[silver tiger]

I just had an interesting idea: what if TV schedules were more randomized? Like, each world spawn will have a randomly generated TV schedule for shows that increase skills (currently, only Live & Living), much like how the frequency for the Automated Emergency Broadcast System is random per world generation, and there will exist in-game TV guides that can spawn in houses, especially those with TVs. The TV guides will tell you exactly what shows will be on TV, at what times, and what channels.

[wheat hamlet]

Bro beat me to it i was thinking about this earlier but didnt have time to yap. Tis a good idea

[solid sentinel]

It would for sure shake up the daily routine in the first days

[foggy steeple]

What about teletext? Couldn't you just view the schedule there?

[ruby ridge]

and on top of that tv magazines have the schedule making them not so useless

[hazy herald]

Would be cool to have TV Magazines and read it to find outa bout the hours

[ruby ridge]

copycat

[hazy herald]

lol

[foggy steeple]

I guess teletext never caught on in the USA so you would have to scavenge for tv magazines

[outer cobalt]

in a universe where zombies exist, teletext was never invented

and god set the world to superflat

[foggy steeple]

I mean in real life, in Zomboid it might've though

The game can be quite idiosyncratic at times with British quirks

[pseudo linden]

Man, was reading up on some of the planned features and saw they wanna add hills and valleys at some point.
I just hope it doesn't look weird and blocky. But the devs have figured out tougher problems so I'm optimistic they can tackle that.

[silver tiger]

Yeah, but first the have to implement stairs that go up south and east

[pseudo linden]

Be funny to watch zeds struggle climbing up a steep incline and fall backwards.

[dusky jasper]

The older SimCity games have some pretty good isometric hills and valleys if you want to see how it might look. North and west slopes would be an issue though like always

[pseudo linden]

Ooo! Good suggestion. Guess it might look something like this.
Hopefully IndieStone can make it look a little smoother

[wheat hamlet]

Thanks to the new depth inference system they might be able to do it purely with shading and a few cleverly designed tiles, which could look a lot more convincing than these older methods

[pseudo linden]

Oooo! That is a cool thought! I'm hoping once they overhaul the depth system future updates will come a bit quicker now that the hard stuff is done and they have a solid foundation to work with.

[zinc prism]

thursdoid tomorrow its going to be fun.

[pseudo linden]

Can't wait! 😁

[oblique smelt]

Definitely

My guess is that they have merged everything already.. and are doing internal testing

[open nimbus]

yipee

[open nimbus]

aaaaaaa

[zinc prism]

in thursdoid we trust

[dusk current]

I just want to see an underground bunker

[jagged sentinel]

I’ll take you to one and you can live there permanently

[cunning marten]

Hiho when npcs update? It i remember i saw npc mod work quite nice 2 years ago?.. how much time dev team need to make something like that

I think i die before i see this 😦 sad but pz its rly nice concept of game. Hope for devs best, and hope no one will make similar game soon with quicker devs, it could kill pz :/

[silver tiger]

Build 43.

We have been waiting 2 years for Build 42, though, but we expect it to be dropped onto the Beta Release in early 2024. Expect a year or two after that for Build 43, where we'll get NPCs.

[zinc prism]

basements are going to be amazing and hopefully have more washing machine locations on the map.

its crazy how there is not many houses with washing machines unless its a 2 story home or luxurious.

[heady ore]

Dish washers are a real rarity in KY.

[zinc prism]

too bad we cant use plates to put food on.

[wheat hamlet]

The amount of time the devs need to make something like that cant currently be measured or judged in such a way since they arent currently working on it. They are paving the way to NPCs with important system overhauls and expansions first.

[sudden scaffold]

It can't be just me to think this is age of empires 2

[spring ether]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-mood-spongebob-squarepants-im-leaving-gif-13459860

[thorn nest]

Thats Thursdoid with an announce for the Unstable Version soon

[sudden scaffold]

fingers crossed

[steel saffron]

fingers crossed also

[rancid flume]

42 is still months away, if you're waiting for a thursdoid to announce the unstable version, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

[thorn nest]

just going through the world with a positive mindset and hoping for the best, more not 😉 - but with "still months away" i can live with it.

[cunning marten]

Perfect!

[craggy thicket]

is there thusrdoid today

[tribal musk]

Months away is much better than years.

[steel saffron]

definitely

[pseudo linden]

Yep yep!
Usually drops sometime after 1pm PST

[sudden scaffold]

I guess it will be either march or april

[devout cloud]

I won't fall for this misdirection. My hopes have quintupled.

[jagged sentinel]

Oh what do you know 🙄

[outer cobalt]

i mean now that the game is in a 3d engine this may happen

[zinc prism]

maybe an early 2024 for build 42.

we only have 1 more thursdoid left in 2023 if its going to be another monthly blog post.

[silver tiger]

Ah. I was hoping for a Jan or Feb 2024 unstable release. But I guess now it can range from March to June, or even August...

But I might be able to live with that.

[zinc prism]

IWBUMS updates are fun.

[jagged sentinel]

Whose bum?

[zinc prism]

any hour from now and we will have a blog post.

[vivid viper]

does this mean that builds 43 onwards are years away?

[undone hedge]

Most likely

[pseudo linden]

Bet they're gonna formally reveal the turkey for B42

[silver tiger]

I mean, yeah.

Does anyone else get immensely itchy waiting for their Thursdoid fix?

[jagged sentinel]

Oh man I hope so

🦃 Turkey Turkey Turkey 🦃

[sudden scaffold]

lemmy said that he is the ceo

[jagged sentinel]

I know lmao

I’m just giving nasko shit cuz it’s fun

[dusk current]

I remember they said that there will never be another time gap between builds like the one between 41 and 42, but I don't remember when or where it was said... I might be wrong

[steel saffron]

guys, when is the goddamn thursdoid?

[wheat hamlet]

That would make sense considering the scale of the core system overhauls with B42. It should at least be a good while before they'll need to do something so drastic again

[open nimbus]

We all might die of old age waiting for it

[steel saffron]

worth it

[open nimbus]

Hope so

[mellow crypt]

I think it's worth mentioning that the biggest part of 41 was the animation overhaul which had its work started all the way back even in 2015.
There were a whole two years between the last patch of 40 and Build 41 hitting the beta, and then B41 had basically a two year long beta cycle and continued to receive patches on stable for basically another year.
So B41 basically had three years of public patches, the longest of any build so far.

Just putting this in context could be important when we regurgitate them saying no build will ever take as long as Build 41 did

[steel saffron]

👍

anyway, what r u guys doing rn?

[jagged sentinel]

The devs are eating Turkey

[steel saffron]

well, maybe they are

that's not for us to judge them as long as they're adding metal spears

[open nimbus]

R u spying on them?

[devout cloud]

Most of the devs aren't from the US lol

[steel saffron]

может быть.

[oblique smelt]

They only have 1 american dev dont they?

[quick peak]

reading thursdoid is kind of the highlight of my week

[oblique smelt]

It’s my highlight of the month

[pseudo linden]

Come on man....this ain't funny no more...Where's my Thursdoid?!
*Hands tremble uncontrollably

[narrow schooner]

🥹🥲

[open nimbus]

Bruh