The Connection Is Made

[bronze zinc]

My take on shooting is that, yeah anyone can make a body shot in close range, but I reckon the 90s weren't having a huge hit with zombies unlike the 2010s, so I imagine noone really knows to blow the brains out to kill a zombie in PZ's setting, not till they kill several and figure it out

That and hitting the head of a shambling corpse would arguably be difficult as hell to pull off, I base that from my experience with playing saints and sinners in VR

[gray delta]

I think it’s fine cuz otherwise guns would be king

You just have to work your way toward it

[real niche]

its 1993 kentucky, I think an adult would know how a gun works

rosewood has guns in almsot every other house lmfao

in 1995 there were 230,000,000 us citizens

in the same year there was about 180,000,000 guns in the us

i do believe, especially in kentucky of all places, an adult would know how a firearm works and have shot one at least once in their lifetime

[bronze zinc]

I mean, knowing how one works and actually being able to operate one, especially when shooting other people, is an experience hardly any people irl could handle

And let's face it, we know that they're zombies but in the eyes of our survivors those zombies were neighbors and people

That and it's also pretty common for a ton of people in America to not know a whole lot about guns anyways, south Korean citizens know more about guns then like half of america

Ask some people what the AR in AR15 stands for, I guarantee alot of them will get that wrong

[real niche]

ArmaLite Rifle

[misty wolf]

Ampitheatre redux 15

[nova otter]

Honestly there should be penalties for shooting heavy guns with low strength

Rifles are heavy

And it would make pistols/sawed off more useful

[pseudo forum]

ammo and firearms abundant sandbox option

[vestal wren]

I understand obviously how he was being, but let's not throw insults still please

Regardless, looks like he's gone now

Like, actually
From the server

And now, he won't be coming back

[jaunty quarry]

Are there efforts going towards preventing the game from being Grindy?

Like my one concern is that with the new qualities and stuff getting anything useful out of crafting will take hours of searching for materials

[chilly glade]

That response right there is what I've been assuming is the indie stone plan this whole time. Build the foundations so that the basic realistic stuff they're going for 100% works and modders can push it to it's absolute limits that they've already planned for, instead of having to go way off the beaten path

[gray delta]

Well imo that’s a good thing. Games gonna be no fun if we can instantly get things

[pseudo forum]

actually all of the grindy staff you can tweak at sandbox settings

you know indie stone, every thing in this game has an option to tweak it

https://twitter.com/lemmy101/status/1693213479623086125?s=20

Chris Simpson (@lemmy101)

PSA: Players will not be making orange juice factories in their safehouse. Vanilla Zomboid isn't becoming Factorio. The video in the Thursdoid was just showing off power and versatility that functionality of new machines can be developed in a day or so. The text had real examples

Twitter · Aug 20, 2023, 10:48 AM

[wispy hatch]

I wonder if we could make some vegetable juice.

[tepid olive]

I'm kinda hoping the ragdoll physics cause players to fly through the windshield GTA 4 style when we hit a small tree sapling at 80 miles and hour.
Then they have a reason to add seatbelt option when driving.

[gray delta]

Add the swing set glitch

[jaunty quarry]

Well yeah but at a point just adding playtime by making you waste hours gets boring

[gray delta]

thats survival baby

[misty wolf]

I think it’ll be cool bc then it will actually take years to get things which will definitely expand the endgame

If you got all the late game stuff 2 months in you’d get bored bc your base would be all set up and you’d have nothing else to do but at least with the Grindy aspect you’ll have a goal to work towards

[jaunty quarry]

The problem is there is no endgame right now

You just become completely sustainable and that it

Nothing can hurt you anymore

[wispy hatch]

living in remote areas where zombie population is small.

[edgy smelt]

swing set glitch? add slideable slides to pz

[jaunty quarry]

The fortnite swing set glitch

[edgy smelt]

oh lol

[gray delta]

no the gta IV glitch

[jaunty quarry]

Fortnite glitch better

[edgy smelt]

im dumb i thought you guys were the same lol i was like im confused

[gray delta]

how lol

[edgy smelt]

illiterate trait

[wispy hatch]

fortnite swing set glitch that caused people to banned for cheating.

[real niche]

For anyone who’s complaining about Zomboid becoming factorio this post sums it up very well

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/15w8drv/psa_players_will_not_be_making_orange_juice/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=1&utm_term=22

[edgy smelt]

noice

[gray delta]

yeah if anything, its the exact oppsite lol

[edgy smelt]

i shall make the cows work at the cow factory and bottle their own milk

[gray delta]

https://twitter.com/lemmy101/status/1693339959392940453?s=20 this is what he said when I asked about windmills lol

Chris Simpson (@lemmy101)

@Jarinex there'll be stuff to make a self sufficient village with medieval or early tech if you have the right people in your group with those skills, but not making high tech mechanical machines etc.

Twitter · Aug 20, 2023, 7:11 PM

i mean i dont need high tech machines, but I would like the ability to generate electricity and biofuel

at any rate, all this is is a lesson that modern day human species has horrible reading comprehension

including me

[edgy smelt]

thats sweet

will give people lots to do

[bronze zinc]

Ngl, the whole worry of some players being afraid the game is gonna be a little like Factorio is kind of complimenting the devs even more, Factorio is like a god tier game that people struggle putting away

[jaunty quarry]

Thing is tho factorio is a game about grinding

And I don’t see that in project zomboid

[edgy smelt]

Same here , not with how much customization options there are

[real niche]

Idk how people even can relate the two imo

They see one video of a guy using a couple machines and act like it’s gonna lead to this

Overreaction imo

[edgy smelt]

yah , i never got into factorio but just seeing what they are capable of i am excited to see what the workshop creators come up with

[meager oasis]

its a catch all term.

Because I like bullying the devs Im going to use the orange juice machine as an example.

I dont think people will care if theres a factory in LV that you can get up and running to make orange juice from oranges and the other needed ingreidents. I think that people were worried about something like this

" a crafting recipe to make a machine to bottle Spiffo juice out of three metal plates and a mechanism sat in your crafting window though."

thats why most of my worries are alievated by the dev post on reddit, because thats exactly the type of stuff I was worried about.

[gray delta]

woah bro this looks just like louisville

[gray delta]

see now we can move back to worrying about them wanting to make this "psuedo medieval" game

[meager oasis]

I dont mind that actually. I kinda dig it. Most medival occupations were things that one person could do by themselves, its not like factories and the like which require dozens if not hundreds of workers and parts and resources shipped in from all across the globe

And it, imo, makes sense for things to regress back towards almost medival times dozens of years down the line. sure theres knowledge and ruins but almost the entire population is dead

[gray delta]

I just want to drive car and shoot gun

Surely the crafting update could add some things to allow upkeep of cars and the creation of biofuel or something

Along with gun ammo, even if it was not as good

[meager oasis]

I think we'll be going down to crossbows and horses

keep in mind that this is like a second... mode, I guess

theres the post apocolaspe which is what we're used to, and then that can either naturally transition to, or be started as the post post apoc as scavenged resources dry up but people begin to stabalize enough to make communities

[pseudo forum]

People who said the devs are lazy and not making progress this game need to check this

[edgy smelt]

tease !!

[pseudo forum]

most of the progress is uploaded to the steam depot "si" folder

[grizzled harbor]

Age of Empires style? lets fucking go

[meager oasis]

hah

no more like I think the start dates will stop being like "1 week later / 6 months later" and will start being "1 week later, 1 year later, 10 years later"

I think thats how theyre going to do it

could be wrong tho

[gray delta]

But why include cars and guns then if we can’t use them later on

Horses are a chore

Crossbows and archery is cool though illl give you that

But gun also cool

Surely there would be options

[real niche]

i mean they wont just disappear lol

[gray delta]

Well yes but they have a “plan” to make them degrade over time

[marble monolith]

I think we're still gonna have guns, but we're gonna have to build them with parts, making them a much rarer resource in the super late game. Same with ammunition.

[gray delta]

Well that’s why I was saying about ammo crafting

Surely the hicks with guns have a desire to make their own

[marble monolith]

I think the plan is that human-crafted guns will be big investments of resources that will be situationally useful, not the main meta compared to non-gun alternatives.

But like I said before, TIS is definitely gonna give you OPTIONS whether or not you want society to degrade into a medieval society.

[meager oasis]

cause you can use them for the first 10 years just fine?

[gray delta]

Ironic isn’t it? Now I’m the one with the worry 😏

I mean yeah there will be options which is good, but it’s not “intended”.

It is a sandbox yes but some could argue it goes against the design that the devs are going for

[gray delta]

Not to mention this whole “reliance” on other folks having jobs and shit they plan on

[jaunty quarry]

Also guns are instantly common in the USA

Like especially rural areas every household has 1-4 guns

Wouldn’t make sense to have them like disappear all the sudden

Also especially stuff like revolvers and the double barrel shotguns last forever

[gray delta]

Just depends on how long a gun lasts

[pseudo forum]

Whats up with the recent backlash on steam forum

one devblog make so many people loses their mind

[jaunty quarry]

Like forever

Most are just steel it’s kinda hard to break if you basic maintinence

[real niche]

gun repair manuals to make it easier to repair guns, using less metal or tape, would be s very helpful addition if guns degrade over time

maybe even a gun channel on tv

[gray delta]

Your first mistake was going to the steam forums

Well what I’m asking is like

Yeah I guess it just depends on what maintenance is needed

[edgy smelt]

lmao

i dont know lol its reallllll bad people have hard time reading or maybe they are just skimming through

[gray delta]

You expect people to read?

[edgy smelt]

lol if my dumb ass can they can

[pseudo forum]

iliterate trait in real life

[marble monolith]

Steam forums holding the dev blog: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RLY9nw2kRQA&t=60

[chilly glade]

Hell, having complex machinery that can engage the Factorio player's brain is the kind of thing that can give high-level electrical an identity. Like, high level first aid makes you a lifesaving surgeon who can help people recover from even the most life threatening injuries (except a bite, because fuck you there's no vaccine). High level construction makes you bob the builder. High level weapon skills make you a threat to be feared if you're armed and prepared for a fight.
High level mechanics makes you the go-to for making cars start again.
Currently, high level electrical makes you an afficionado of dismantling every single watch in kentucky

[bronze zinc]

I mean my statement had less to do with complex machinery and more so that factorio in of itself is a legend of a game, which just makes the posts comparing this thursdoid to factorio and getting upsetti spaghetti about it was just a huge level of irony to me.

[jade juniper]

Electrical skill levelers being able to move washing machines or ovens is more utility than First Aid in practice atm imho

[bronze zinc]

However, yes, I love that the complex machinery will actually help players who focus on their specific roles in communities to essentially become invaluable is going to be incredible, this is gonna make it feel like barotrauma in a sense that a simple looking mechanic can actually make or break the groups ability to get around long distances

[chilly glade]

Also, the number of recipes locked behind "take the profession or find a magazine" says this is hogwash

[chilly glade]

Fair enough, first aid could be enhanced at some point, but for now having a high level first aid does technically influence things more than having over 5 electrical does, and even then there's plenty of bases that have both a washing machine and an oven to fortify around

Plus, every other specialization has utility after everyone is settled up.
Tailors will watch as people continually wear out their clothes, carpenters will be repairing the constructions after they place them on the regular, idiots will keep wrecking their cars, which will keep the mechanic busy.
After an oven and a washing machine are put in place, the electricians work is basically done, making it less of a useful profession and more of a toll to be paid in scavenged watches and screwdriver durability

[bronze zinc]

I think, and this is going to be a hot take and definitely will need to be an option to toggle, that if players recieve injuries and/or illnesses that can literally make them so weak that the best and most effective way to recover is through a ton of rest and upkeep, first aid players can help speed that up

And to punish any cheesing of this idea, trying to do work with a bad injury that you havent given time to heal up could run the risk of making the injury and/or illness worst because youre stressing your body out

[chilly glade]

Burns are already in the game.

I could easily see fractured bones being given that treatment, even deep wounds.

[bronze zinc]

Yeah but you can still do work without risk of the burns not recovering properly, but I mean if your character is trained well with first aid then they'd be much better with self care

[edgy smelt]

lol someone make a mod with medical and you need to centrifuge ccheck blood

[bronze zinc]

Like, imo and idk how the rest of yall like this idea but I do feel like bad injuries are a little trivial

But im no game dev so this isnt something that I think will be good for the game, just an idea

[chilly glade]

Just make the toggle something to the tune of "Overworkable injuries" and I dare say on by default, and it's basically set

[bronze zinc]

A reason to make doctor/nurse players much more important

[jade juniper]

The injuries that are bad enough to where first aid actually has an impact are the kind where you can avoid them by not doing "playing in congested traffic" level of being dumb.

[bronze zinc]

Yeah but sometimes when things get hectic you can hurt yourself easily, like I have a mod that makes me trip over corpses and I can easily mess my leg up by tripping

makes things super tense when I got too many nerds around me

[chilly glade]

I also think it definitely should be a toggle, because one of the things that makes sandbox toggles so important is that zomboid has two halves.
There's the single player element where you have to fend entirely for yourself, and then there's multiplayer where true specialization is far more practical

[jade juniper]

Yeah but you basically have to have mods invent reasons to get badly injured, because in vanilla the ways to get severe injuries are... you have to actually be trying to acquire these injuries for the most part.

[bronze zinc]

Yeah, and getting random inuries by accident well get very frustrating, like that kind of gameplay is fun to me because its believable but it wont be good for gameplay

[chilly glade]

Ye but things like tripping over corpses are fairly realistic, and I also think getting injured should not require that much stupidity.

[bronze zinc]

I realize I could make mods but Im code illiterate

[edgy smelt]

i would disable that feature lol

[chilly glade]

Thus the importance of sandbox toggles

[meager oasis]

reminds me of the idea for a medical rework I had

"You know what would be nice?

If wounds not only lasted for much longer than they do now (think like a week for a scratch with no care, and a month with a laceration with no care) but were a significant debuff as well. A leg laceration lowering your movement speed as much as a fracture does now, an arm laceration drastically decreasing attack damage, etc.

But with higher first aid you have extra actions avaliable in order to make yourself heal faster if you have access to the supplies for it, while also making it so that saliva only is the default option for apocalypse.

In effect this would make it so that first aid is more of a factor in your everyday playthrough, and also giving you a reason to actually stockpile all your extra food, since a bad wound would prevent you from looting for a while.

Scratches and Lacerations would still be able to kill you, but it would be through gameplay instead of infection since they're hampering your abilities for significant amounts of time."

[chilly glade]

Like I said tho, the problem with rebalancing medical is, single player games take a long time to be a professional in every skill. I fully agree with this idea tho, it'd give saliva only runs the right amount of tension, to hold onto the "don't get hit" mentality without having the "being hit" penalty be an instant game over

That said, even without the medical rebalance in mind, electrical needs a glow up and it looks like it can get it from this update

[gray delta]

Well the current problem for first aid is that most see it’s as useless

Ya get bit, ya dead

But at the same time, increasing the time of wounds and making it worse will only further increase that “don’t get hit” mentality

[edgy smelt]

yah i always put my injuries on severe

i only play with the saliver zombers so that would be cool for more umm

[chilly glade]

Which is why the wandering "dice roll instant death" shouldn't be the only source of injuries. Imagine if things like fucking up trying to hotwire or repair a car could roll an injury that wasn't lethal but needed to be dealt with, emphasizing higher skills with those to avoid being injured, but also having some knack for medical so you can quickly treat and deal with any wounds you have

[jade juniper]

I'd be genuinely surprised if they managed to make First Aid not an "obvious Bottom 1" skill while having Knox infection work as it does, or making changes that just make you sit in base for weeks/months more common.

[chilly glade]

Hell, another way to fix it is to make it to where zombie injuries, even if they don't kill you with the Knox infection, heal really slowly, starting off as "Badly Inflamed" as your body trying to fight off the Knox takes away all the resources it could be spending on actually healing over the wound, maybe even use how severely inflamed it is as a way to confirm or disconfirm whether the Knox is going to kill you or not

[jade juniper]

Having knox infection be something you could survive with proper medical care would be a major concession to the zombie lore but would certainly make First Aid not a meme skill

[gray delta]

Yeah I think that would be the only way

[jade juniper]

It would also make it so that there less semi-serious "You should kill yourself" as game advice, which is probably a net good for community and community interaction.

[gray delta]

That’s why I normally turn off the infection

[pseudo forum]

man the tf2 guy is really stupid

[edgy smelt]

lol

[marble monolith]

At the moment.

[gray delta]

I’m coming when I’m ready

[gray delta]

Well yeah sure but how else would one improve first aid

Your choices are making it more complex and challenging, which can frustrate players

Or Make it more useful somehow (which for the life of me I can’t really think of a way)

Currently I have a toned down “disinfect or die” mod that makes bandages slightly more useful

There’s mods like that “immersive medicine”, but unfortunately it adds a LOT of complexity

[real niche]

rub some dirt in it and slap a bandaid on

[edgy smelt]

loll

pondwater bandage

[real niche]

make sure the bandaids used too

cant let it go to waste

[gray delta]

I mean as dumb as it sounds, the only way I can think of making first aid better is if it helped wounds healed faster or something

Or get more info out of the wounds I guess 🤷

Either that or first aid just continues to be mostly useless

[real niche]

it does

[gray delta]

Only certain wounds

Not to mention infection doesn’t do much lol

[chilly glade]

Does it though? You can just say that the lethal infections that overtake someone involved sufficient innoculation, where the Knox is a superbug that takes so much effort to annihilate that

• Medical treatment still wouldn't affect the percentage chance of a lethal infection overtaking your immune system, IE the 7 percent in a scratch and 25 percent in a laceration
  And
• Lore wise, you're already just randomly immune to the airborne strain.

[gray delta]

Perhaps they should make it so you can get more than just scratches and lacerations from zombies

[jade juniper]

I don't know what you thought my point was but my point was moreso about "What would be needed for First Aid to be a remotely relevant skill"

[chilly glade]

Plus, there's also another way to interpret the infection from zombie scratches that takes longer to heal.
See, zombies are dead.
Dead bodies accumulate diseases.
You can just say that while there's only an x percent chance of a wound being laced with the Always Lethal Knox, it's far more likely that the wound will be laced with something mundane that was otherwise feasting in the rotting carcass and is now in your mauled up wound, which greatly prolongs the healing process beyond that of the normal infection that any wound from any source can have

[chilly glade]

Also yeah, sometimes your best option is to kermit shroomicide but the letters k, y, and s in that order get you timed out for an hour, which can cause otherwise good advice to go to waste as the Convo moves on. Having better advice than the consumption of cleaning product would be nice

But yeah how did we get to "Best ways to buff first aid and remove LTG from the game" from whether or not the game is becoming Factorio again?

[wispy hatch]

9 more thursdoids remaining in 2023 unless delayed by a week.

[gray delta]

Probably me

And yeah basically the devs put themselves in a corner with the whole infection thing

Just easier to die than to treat

[real niche]

Immflamuation and dislocation would be a neat addition

[edgy smelt]

"why is my arm dangling"

[real niche]

Lol

Could work with the ragdolls

If you trip on a fence while running and do the roll animation, you have a chance of dislocating your arm

Only way to fix it would be popping it back in which requires painkillers

And inflammation would make it so whatever is affected is weak, and requires you to not do whatever action caused it for a day or two

Bruises and abrasions would also help immerse yourself more

If you trip or fall, you have a 100% chance to develop a bruise depending on what type of animation you did

[wispy hatch]

if zombies could break their arms

scraping arm or leg injuries

[real niche]

Abrasions are also likely to happen if you trip on concrete or hit a brick wall

Sometimes it’ll bleed and sometimes not

[edgy smelt]

blisters when using weapons without gloves lol

[wispy hatch]

logic of shirt or pants rip from tripping over fence.

other logic of gloves getting damaged from tripping.

if infections from other injuries could have some danger.

[real niche]

Puncture wounds would also be interesting for PvP combat

Someone has a spear, knife or sword they can puncture you’re skin

[wispy hatch]

blood poisoning would be interesting to have and having to find antibiotics.

[real niche]

Pretty sure blood poisoning is in the game but it’s only for Knox infection

Getting a missing eye or developing blindness or loss of hearing overtime would be a shitty but realistic move

[wispy hatch]

septicemia is blood poisoning and its an infection from cuts

blind in one eye trait

chills illness having to staywarm since body tempiture is feeling cold.

[real niche]

Going deaf overtime from firing guns without proper protection

[wispy hatch]

fire a gun in doors be like.

[real niche]

And blindness from using explosives in close proximity

Temporary and permanent

If you’re close enough you get reduced vision

Do it 10 or more times close enough you get permanent vision reduction

[wispy hatch]

if we could get proper food born illnesses like Salmonella , E coil, liseria ECT.

eating raw insects with no illness penalty.

[gray delta]

All the ideas here and what I’ve seen are cool, but I think they put too much complexity

[wispy hatch]

drinking toilet water with no penalties.

[gray delta]

That’s just me though

[real niche]

I think it’s healthy additions

Maybe not the eyesight and hearing loss

[wispy hatch]

diabetes trait be like in PZ.

[real niche]

But puncture wounds and bruises and stuff would make a lot of sense

[wispy hatch]

animal bites without being infected with zombie virus.

[real niche]

Animal bites def makes sense

[jade juniper]

Dying to regular rabies in a zombie apocalypse

[real niche]

lol

Rabies “Back to your primal instincts.”

But I really hope there is an expansion to the injury and health category, would give more of an incentive to understand the game and level up medical skill

It wouldn’t have to be much

Just a few more injuries you can get and more medical items you can get or craft

[wispy hatch]

more types of medicinal plants to add to this game to make this more treatment option for various injuries and illnesses.

Drinking contaminated water to contract some cholera.

[real niche]

Lemongrass and ginger for food poisoning and inflammation

[wispy hatch]

if we could use mints to treat nausea symtoms.

[edgy smelt]

if its anything like dayz im uninstalling the game lol

[wispy hatch]

if medicine for the illness were added this would make it more immersive.

[real niche]

I feel like the medical aspects of this game don’t get enough love, so adding these types of injuries, and their respect treatments, would make the game better and more realistic

I mean, I’m not gonna be going around, running full speed into walls and come out with no scratches

[gray delta]

There’s a thin line though between realism and fun

[edgy smelt]

thats fine if its immersive just not annoying to the point where im contracting dieases from people im playing with lol

[real niche]

I don’t think you should be getting things like ecoli or cholera, but I do think bruises, abrasions and such should be added

Nothing that makes the game unplayable, but adds that extra sense of realism that makes you weary of not trying to run into things or fall

I think dislocation is a good punishment for being dumb and tripping over a fence

And like i said, it could be easily popped back into place with painkillers

[edgy smelt]

lose your shoes tripping over fence lol

if like sneakers

[real niche]

You just get completely stripped tripping over a fence

[edgy smelt]

"i lost my pants"

[real niche]

“Whoops guess I’m shirtless now”

[wispy hatch]

getting holes in shoes after tripping over fence.

im suprised underwear doesn't get holes. lol

sun burns be like in PZ during summer months and frost bite during winter seasons.

[edgy smelt]

lol sun burns

add some ringworm

[gray delta]

dysentary

[chilly glade]

Hell, copy the limb location damage mechanics whole cloth from fallout new Vegas. They knew what they were doing

[marble monolith]

You guys sound like you're writing a pr0no lol

[real niche]

Maybe we are.

[gray delta]

Penis ham

[pseudo forum]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/15xqd37/seriously_though_indie_stone/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[edgy smelt]

annnnd thats why i never go to the reddit lol

i feel attacked

[real niche]

My god, why don’t people read the damn blogs

They quite literally said none of what’s shown is likely to be in the game, other than like the saw mill

It’s just a demonstration to show how machines would work

[gray delta]

Like I said

Reading comprehension is slowly just disappearing amongst the population

[real niche]

I rarely read it fully and even I saw that

It’s in big bold letters

“Why do they put their staff on useless things like this”

They don’t, they have multiple people working on multiple things Lmfao

They say this in the blog

They list people by name on what they are working on for christs sake

[edgy smelt]

How dare they add qol things outside of looting killing things lol

[real niche]

Ikr

And his whole argument of them not working on npcs is just stupid, they are working on npcs, just cuz they don’t feel it’s ready enough to show it in a demonstration doesn’t mean it’s not being worked on

[pseudo forum]

When we point out they said, then why the devs make a video about things they are not going to put in?

That guy said "If my boss asked me what I spent today or this week being paid to do and I showed them that they'd sack me for wasting my company's money doing what they didn't pay me to do. Except apparently indie stone did pay them to do that. 😂"

[real niche]

So the guy just admitted he doesn’t do what he’s supposed to at work? Lmfao

[edgy smelt]

Lol what good would adding npcs now yah they gonna trade me aome shoes ? Lol

[real niche]

People like that are literal examples of the dunning Kruger affect

So funny

[pseudo forum]

also they never read the roadmap, npcs dev video literally exists like the npc driving vehicle

[edgy smelt]

Course not lol

Npcsth when?! Muh promises

[real niche]

Exactly

And btw that video is awesome

Just really cool

[edgy smelt]

I love how yhey italicized testbed and people still overlooked it lol

[real niche]

I also love the new light system

It looks beautiful

[gray delta]

Just downvote the post and ignore it

Don’t give them the attention they seek

[real niche]

True but still annoying to see lol

[bronze zinc]

I still posted a reply, since yeah I do get the sentiment of waiting, but the glaring ignorance of alot of the community is pretty frustrating

The devs are clearly working their asses off and they get accused of wasting time

[burnt gulch]

Lately I've been trying to add 1 QOL item, outside of the regular workflow, per workday.

[real niche]

That’s actually great to hear thank you

[edgy smelt]

Yay

[pseudo forum]

hi, I heard you were a modder before, when did you join the dev team?

[deep quartz]

I don't understand this NPC desire. no NPC will be more interesting than a player, it seems people don't know that multiplayer exists.

[pseudo forum]

most of the PZ playerbase are playing singleplayer

[grizzled harbor]

People are chronically online, they don't have social skills and pretend to never need them, so they'd rather play with NPCs rather than enter a server to play with people, let alone friends.

[pseudo forum]

or there are players live in a place nobody plays this game and they have to join 300ms ping server

[real niche]

Idk, it can go either way, on one hand I understand where you’re coming from, people really act like they can’t hop on a server anytime they want, but then again, half the time you’re either meeting the friendliest people ever, or getting shot in the leg and beat to death by a random spawn camper going around rosewood

I’ve met both

And it can can be off putting

And sometimes people want to play with a couple robots who aren’t willing to call you a slur and t bag on your corpse

[pseudo forum]

also MMO multiplayer games has npc too

[real niche]

i think npcs should have a pop divider, like the opposite for zomboids

over time more and more meet their fate

imagine 4x insane pop for npcs

no zomboids

that’d be funny

[gray delta]

But you could be adding npcs with that time!!!!!!!!!!!!! /s

[shell beacon]

Where did you found this

[gray delta]

Idk it’s some command

!roadmap

[worldly urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/VL87SPo.png

Read about it in more detail more here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

[gray delta]

Oh hey that worked

[shell beacon]

Nicee

[chilly glade]

Weird question but does anyone on the team own a steam deck, or are issues with it fixed via bug reports submitted by users?

[marble monolith]

Gonna chime in my only real concern about the whole connection system that they showed us: I don't think it will anywhere close to even a quarter way implemented by the time B42 drops. They would have to update every machine already in game to work in this system and, honestly, the complexity and intricacies of it would probably rival that of the crafting trees. I'm also estimating it will be further implemented, but possibly not complete, by Build 43. I guess it all depends whether or not this system becomes a major dev branch for B43.
But at the very least, we have a system to make it possible!

[gray delta]

I think the system is just an example of what could be done

Who knows how it will be implemented

[chilly glade]

I hope they add the ability to wire custom built walls, myself. Building my own shack in the woods, combine that with some electrical skill to bring in a Genny and get it running and build your own little slice of paradise

[gray delta]

I’m guessing that’s what they might add

[chilly glade]

It's especially something I hope they add, for one simple reason:
The only reason I bothered to learn complex redstone, is to conceal it while benefitting from it.
If I cannot apply my electrical skill to not have wires randomly scattered about my base, it's going to look ugly as sin.

[gray delta]

BUT I DONT WANT THIS GAME TO BECOME FACTORIO /s

[gray delta]

The /s means sarcasm

Lol

[chilly glade]

Quite cognizant.

[marble monolith]

Yeah, I hope we can have a system where the pipes and cables can be connected across vertical levels and through walls. I don't think it'd be too hard. Maybe we'd just have to "modify" walls so that pipes and wires can be connected through them? Hm, you know what? Scratch that last part for now. Not that important and could come later down the line. For now, connecting across adjacent walls would suffice.

Hm... what if we had to use pumps to pump liquids UP floors!

[gray delta]

We shall see

[tribal blaze]

Not sure how pipes and wiring inside walls could be implemented

maybe make it so we can salvage wires and pipes from walls to build our own. And then buildings work like they do now and get power if a generator is nearby

[chilly glade]

Welp, we assume that all the prebuilt houses were built to code, and therefore all the walls are wired and piped, however in order to get the same effect in hand built homes, you have to do it yourself.
And the actual appliances that ask for this have to be x distance from a wall... Is the simplest solution. If indie stone implements it, it'll probably be some way that works regardless of anything I say

[edgy smelt]

will our pipes burst during winter?

[nova otter]

will we get gas leaks and die

[burnt gulch]

I'm sure puppers has gas leaks all the time.

[edgy smelt]

my meat pit

its a national park blair

[marble monolith]

Either that, or all existing buildings will be modified to put gas, power and water mains connections underneath the map.

[real niche]

with the addition of basements, those sources could be put in the basement.

[meager oasis]

build 41 was launched in October of 2019

work on it continued until November of 2022.

that's kinda just how indie stone does things.

Massive update that brings in new frameworks, continue to polish up those frameworks for a few years until it's polished to a nice shine and then moving onto the next one

[gray delta]

And break it all over again

[chilly glade]

https://tenor.com/view/subida-gif-18379274

[real niche]

Sisyphus

[wispy hatch]

lets hope we do get build 42 this year.

[pseudo forum]

that is the IWBUMS version, the stable version is on December 20, 2021

[meager oasis]

yes, I am aware

I expect that we will be getting an IWBUMS branch for b42 as well

[pseudo forum]

People kinda take for granted with Zomboid update quality, go check out 7 days to die you will know the devs doesn't give a shit

[gray delta]

Heh aint that the truth

[chilly glade]

At least when an update takes years to come out it includes content that was somewhat worth the wait, or at least impactful enough to justify the delay

As opposed to team fortress two, which consistently takes several years to... Import community made content.

[chilly glade]

But is 7dtd really that bad

[gray delta]

It’s not that bad, it’s just the devs are maroons and keep trying to reinvent the wheel

[bronze zinc]

That and they're going to polish their game when they get it out of early access

[marble monolith]

That...sounds.......backwards.

[bronze zinc]

Oh yeah

[gray delta]

Well see for example

You use to be able to just get water from collecting jars and going to a river and getting water

It was dirty but you could heat it up and clean it

But the devs though “naaaah thats too easy” so now you can’t do that anymore cuz jars are gone

INSTEAD you build dew collectors and collect clean water that way

AND they decided when people built too many of those to add heat generation to those so it attracts zombies and screamers

There’s no logic to it beyond “making it harder”

[chilly glade]

Who the fuck thought that was a good idea

[gray delta]

The devs apperently

There’s a great game in there, but the devs are just……foolish

There’s numerous mods and overhauls, but they change too much

It’d be like adding demons to zomboid

That’s not what I want

[bronze zinc]

On the flip side, allegedly bandits are coming in their next build

[gray delta]

Yeah that’ll be the day

I’m not holding my breath anymore for that game

I’ve found zomboid

[bronze zinc]

Ironically the water update didnt make getting water that much harder for me tbh

[gray delta]

It just makes it more tedious

And there’s better ways I’m sure

How is the magazine shit

I didn’t like that idea but there is a couple merits to it

I’d rather just level up and put points in

[bronze zinc]

its different, thats for sure, but its not totally RNG as people make it out to be, it encouranges to stick with a build

Like the more points you put into agility for your spears and rifles, you'll find more magazines for those relative skills, but Ive found alot of magazines for the other skills like cooking

I dig the system becuase it encourages scavenging alot more, and as you do jobs for the merchants you can just buy the magazines you need from them, especially from Jen

All in all I like it, keeps me from becoming a meat grinding god within the fiirst 2 weeks, though in my save rn Im getting up there fast regarding spears

[gray delta]

I see

Idk I just…. Find it annoying in theory

But there is merit in being able to not have to search for a crucible

And instead get the recipe

[bronze zinc]

The water deal also doesnt feel tedious to me once I got the dew collectors, its just passive water generation and you can still find a good amount of dirty water from looting to purify anyways, and thats not including the amount you can get from traders

[bronze zinc]

This bit definitely burned some peoples butts, that it can take a while to get the forge, I got the forge recipe at like day 5? I think

[gray delta]

I mean that’s why you just put one point in intelligence

[bronze zinc]

I havent ngl lmao

[gray delta]

Or whatever

Cuz you get forge instantly

Or you did anyway…

[nova otter]

Heat generation from water collectors...

[real niche]

makes total sense lol

[nova otter]

Clearly water will be hotter than anything around it when left on the sun

[gray delta]

It was done to balance their own idiotic change

You have to use this to make water

User makes tons of them to generate plenty of water

Devs:

[grizzled harbor]

Who are you lads betting will get NPCs sooner? 7dtd (raiders) or PZ (animals)

[fierce owl]

animals, just as the schedule says

[bronze zinc]

allegedly the devs of 7dtd mentioned that the next alpha wont take as long as alpha 21, a few months has been speculated

So both will probably be close since the devs for zomboid said that it wont be done this month but it shouldnt take till next year

[chilly glade]

If they wanted to make the task of getting water harder there's a really simple way to do it, and it was implemented into a game without a thirst mechanic

[pseudo forum]

You can't collect water from river I heard

[chilly glade]

Anymore.

[jaunty quarry]

All I want from them is to let you purify water with bleach

[wispy hatch]

maybe when the water lines are cutoff we should not be able to get anymore water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6WkUqD0e8A

[gray delta]

Well then how do we survive

[jaunty quarry]

That just doesn’t make sense though

Like why is their this double standard of how grinding is allowed despite being unrealistic while anything that makes the game “easier” and is also realistic needs to change

I feel like so many people here feel the need to remove common sense stuff and add random bs grinding to boost their ego and not let people have an easier time cause they are noobs or whatever

[chilly glade]

It's realistic that there would still be some water in the pipes. Maybe there could be a sandbox slider dictating how much so that egotistical masochists can set it to 0 and have there be no water at all once the shutoff happens but like, removing the sensible in favor of idiocy ain't it

[jaunty quarry]

I agree

[gray delta]

Well the game IS a sandbox after all

Do what you want

You don’t have to agree with it, but the options being available is good

[pseudo forum]

realistically getting water is not that hard irl

[gray delta]

Getting water is easy

Getting potable water is more challenging

[edgy smelt]

Yah water to me is one of the easiest things to get most the time

[nova otter]

Just make a 1x1 enclosed room, put a sink in there and collector barrel at the top

You got a quick clean water source

[wispy hatch]

setting up some buckets or cooking pots to collect some water.

[marble monolith]

Just had a thought. Sinks, toilets, etc. could be updated with the new machine system to have a "tank"/"reservoir" so that all of them still have some water in their pipes until the water shuts off

[jade juniper]

That makes sense and would also give you opportunity to balance with the combined tank. (e.g. each house could have 30-100 units of water in reserve after shutoff for all combined sources). Said water could also get tainted over a longer period of time and need to be purified to be safe again.

[marble monolith]

I dunno about the tainting system. Realistic and would be balanced, yes, but I'm unsure how it'd be implemented.

You'd be modifying the contents of the machine while it sits in there. Maybe some time after the water shutoff, it automatically starts accumulating "tainted water" from the mains which mixes with the clean water?

And they already have the liquid mixing system!

But directly converting existing water, yeah, I'm not so sure.

[jade juniper]

I think Water Shutoff and reserves are the rare example that people suggest towards making the game "harder/grindier", because once you know how the reserve system works water scarcity stops being a mechanic functionally and it's impossible to un-learn that.

Usually, common sense suggestions and mods tend to make the game easier, just because the "I should be able to do X" is much more available in mind.

[jaunty quarry]

BLEACH

IM BEGGING FOR BLEACH WATER PURIFICATION

[gray delta]

There’s easier ways than using chemicals like that

[edgy smelt]

wouldnt that be overpowered ?

even with insanely rare i find bleach pretty easily

[jaunty quarry]

It’s realistic

[edgy smelt]

yeah but game balance

[jaunty quarry]

I mean water isn’t an issue rn anyways

You can drink tainted water with herbs anyways

[jade juniper]

Drinking tainted water occasionally isn't lethal either

[edgy smelt]

im not drinking tardigrades

[jaunty quarry]

Bro they are harmless

[edgy smelt]

theyre my friends!!!

[jade juniper]

Like there's several layers of mechanics that make thirst/water supply not a problem that would need to fundamentally change before bleach as a purification tool would be a thing players bother with, let alone be an actual balancing factor

[chilly glade]

They'll be fine. Tartigrades are great at surviving everything but the things that try to kill them

[wispy hatch]

crafting system be like making multiple iron daggers in skyrim to farm the skill.

[polar gull]

100,000 broken spears

[sacred rock]

i agree, i do like how theres more stuff to do late game, and almost everything will be replenishable. however, i dont want this to be like minecraft with automatic sheep / wool farms, and there should be a “blockade” to do this sort of; like you would need vhs tapes, magazines, to know how to make something such as a triggered pressure plate

of course indie stone cannot control how the players play the game- this is a sandbox after all

i was thinking about how the npcs could help block off building machinery not even before utilties shut off-

theres a character in the walking dead named “georgie” or something, but she was a major moment in twd. she gave the main group blueprints for a windmill, how to make a lumbermill, a silo, etc

[gray delta]

It’s literally not though

Have you not been paying attention to what the devs say

[sacred rock]

so i think something like npcs trading knowledge (likely farthsr into the save, like a few years in if anything) could very much help players building automated machinery to make ammo early game

[gray delta]

If the MODDERS want that then that’s there prerogative

[sacred rock]

cuz realistically, who tf sees zombies walking in the streets one morning and thinks, “uh oh, i need to instantly raid my local library and know how to make my own ammo”

but as i said this is a sandbox, players can play how they want to play

[gray delta]

Let me know when they add the ability to make your own ammo

Because I would definitely like that

[sacred rock]

why would they add machinery to make spiffo plushies but not something important like bullets

i do like that idea but farther into the game ofc

i am super excited to see how indie stone takes this

[gray delta]

We’ll see making your own ammo is very challenging

Well*

You need a lot of tools and a lot of components

Most of which you can’t make on your own

[sacred rock]

eugene from twd figured it out

gunpower, steel, stuff along that line

[gray delta]

I’m not saying it’s impossible

I’m saying it’s going to be very challenging

And likely it won’t be as good as manufactured ammo

But I would like to see it in the game

[wispy hatch]

Ammo molds

Mining or foraging for some ore

[marble monolith]

His save was modded before starting. He pre-loaded it with all the recipe knowledge.

[sacred rock]

ammo molds are actually in the vanilla game alrrady believe it or not

if ur in debug and go to the item list

u can see it

[wispy hatch]

Maybe will be added with build 42

[sacred rock]

most liekly

i imagine the launch of b42 will have animals, and basic crafting

nothing extremely fancy

and likely the map expansion ofc

[wispy hatch]

Getting mauled by a bear when foraging

Get bitten by a snake when foraging.

[edgy smelt]

that would be funny

theres a snek in muh boot

[gray delta]

See ammo molds only covers one thing

You need gunpowder and a contact explosive for the primers

The mold itself is not sufficient

Maybe I should just try ammocraft

Im nervous it won’t get updated anymore but dammit it’s the closest thing

[real niche]

They aren’t?

They specifically have said none of what was shown is going in the game, it was just a simple showcase of what it would be like

Please read next time!

[edgy smelt]

wonder if someone will make a new hydrocraft lol

[real niche]

No doubt they would

[wispy hatch]

Hydropower base with water mills

[edgy smelt]

that was like one of the first mods i ever installed

[gray delta]

That’s the thing it’s gonna be the modders who make the Factorio stuff, not the devs themselves

[marble monolith]

I mean, there's also the engine rebuild, the fishing minigame, the revamped fire, liquid mixing, basements, reworked lighting, redesigned building all across the map, the reworked professions system, post-apoc professions, hunting systems, just to name a few major things. Not to mention the devs pounding at server-side MP inventory.
Edit: and the reworked farming

[marble monolith]

👆

[edgy smelt]

dont forget the journals, hats, house plants , new peeham van , melee weapons so much fun stuff!

house plants!!!

[wispy hatch]

Annotated notebooks.

Killing zombies with metal baseball bat

[gray delta]

But this isn’t npcs!!!

[wispy hatch]

More crops to grow is something to look forward to.

[edgy smelt]

lmao

ok steam forums go back to your "we were promisedth" land

[wispy hatch]

Good thing animals are the first NPC to get added.

[gray delta]

I’m just mimicking the dorks from steam lol

Also yeah new crops is great

I’m hoping for wheat and sugar beets personally

So we can make flour and sugar

[wispy hatch]

Growing some sugar beets to produce sugar.

Growing some corn would be excellent

[marble monolith]

I hope we get some wheat!
#SmokeWheatEveryDay
But for real, if I want to have my Spiffo Cult MP faction, we're gonna need to have our own wheat farms to make the burger buns.

[gray delta]

Oh yes corn

That’s a necessity

One step closer to biofuel

[edgy smelt]

I KNOW lol

[marble monolith]

We're in the American Midwest, we're SUPPOSED to have corn out here!

[wispy hatch]

Growing some beans, peas , lettuce. eggplants

[edgy smelt]

lol

doesnt read blogs

lol like bruh read the blogs!!! were getting plants

[wispy hatch]

Corn is the number 1 most produced crop in USA

Growing some blue berries

[marble monolith]

Do you think the farms that currently exist in the game will be updated to have huge, full fields of unattended crops ripe for the taking?

[edgy smelt]

maybe but like infested with bugs!! and pests

[marble monolith]

Good consideration. After a while, they'd get infested with pests because the farmers aren't around to attend to them!

[edgy smelt]

yah and depending on time of day and month they could be extra crunchy from the sun

[gray delta]

Yeah problem is those Unatrender crops will either welts or get bugs and shit

[burnt gulch]

No, they're dead and dried up.

If anything.

[gray delta]

What are the chances we can get ammocrafting you think?

[edgy smelt]

CRUNCH factor!!

[gray delta]

That would be neat

[wispy hatch]

Making potato chips

Meat smoking

[edgy smelt]

i wanna smoke some meat

[gray delta]

I think that’s coming

I think I heard them talk about butchering as one of the post apoc jobs

[wispy hatch]

Butchering skill where higher levels lead to better quality.

[marble monolith]

C'mon, start of the game is only 3 days since the Knox evacuation started! Plenty of crops would be out there in that time! Maybe a tad water-starved and a bit pest-infested and nowhere near actually ready for harvest, but still growing!

[marble monolith]

I'm not sure about skills that are this specific...

[burnt gulch]

The game already has too much food available.

[gray delta]

Blaiiiir

[marble monolith]

Okay... 😔😔😔

[gray delta]

Think about it

Making ammo of your own

That would be pretty epic

Pretty le epic

[edgy smelt]

plonkies

[gray delta]

Don’t make me start cringe posting more than usual

[edgy smelt]

lol

slideable slides

hear me out

give me a few lol

[cerulean creek]

we need more food

[misty wolf]

I feel like I remember the map saying there was a field with crops that actually grow and stuff

Near a farm or something

[gray delta]

Speculation time

I wonder how we will learn these crafting recipes

Will they be through magazines and books?

How will that work for their little “medieval” communities

[edgy smelt]

bob vila books!

[gray delta]

What’s a bob vila book

[edgy smelt]

hee had a bunch of books in the 80s of hhow to do things lol

[gray delta]

OooooooOooohhh

[edgy smelt]

maybe they will have theirr own version

[gray delta]

Isn’t that basically what we read

[edgy smelt]

SHUSH

i have 1 braincell

[gray delta]

Wtf you need to share that brain cell

Also idk I’m just guessing lol

I was just curious about how they would implement it in the societies that start in the forest with nothing

Unless it’s like

You start with some knowledge

[edgy smelt]

oh yeah that will be intereseting

yah like basics ?

[gray delta]

And maybe you know the recipes

Idk speculation for now

I don’t want them pulling a 7days and just completely mess the game up by changing things

Reinventing the wheel instead of improving on what’s here

[marble monolith]

My guess: some recipes will be unlocked at certain skill levels, some recipes will require reading a magazine, some will require both. Some recipes we might be able to learn just by watching someone do it, either bypassing a magazine and/or skill level limitation.

It won't be a single, blanket system for every recipe. It'll be a mish-mash of different things depending on what it is.

[wispy hatch]

Recipe magazines or even some blueprints would be a logical solution.

We need a book for project zomboid to teach us to make bombs.

[gray delta]

theres a mod that lets you learn the basic enginer mods

[sacred rock]

be fr r u gonna find books on how to make bombs in the real world 😭

people gatekeep that info for a reason

but yea we should still be able to

[pseudo oracle]

It's super easy to find

old declassified army handbook has everything

[chilly glade]

For those who don't know, the anarchist cookbook details how to make lots of illegal shit, like drugs, bombs, zip guns, etc.

[chilly glade]

Game is set in 93. That info wasn't nearly as gatekept as it is today

[gray delta]

But how does one get a hold of it in that time period

[edgy smelt]

it was pretty easy lol

[gray delta]

I was but a wee bab

[jade juniper]

Isn't it easier nowadays to find that information thanks to the internet? You can even find 3d-printable models for things like gun parts.

Sure you'll probably end up a list somewhere if you're not smart about it but the information doesn't even need you venturing out of your own home to get nowadays.

[chilly glade]

Not really. The internet makes it easier to get in theory, but distribution of that info is illegal and it gets taken down faster than it gets put up

Back then, the book wasn't even illegal, and if you could send a letter with cash or check in it the publisher would straight up ship it to your house

[edgy smelt]

its fine as long as you dont have previous uhh wahts that called law stuff, i think the book is just so old it doesnt matter anymore

[chilly glade]

It might be harder to find in the post apocalypse than say, a magazine on how to use a generator, but there would realistically be at least one copy of it somewhere in Kentucky

[edgy smelt]

isnt t here a mod with it lol

or was it hydrocraft

[jade juniper]

Looking at wikipedia, it is outlawed in the UK and Australia, and probably other countries, but in also searching to get to that point I got ads for purchasing it on Amazon and E-Bay.

[autumn sequoia]

So they adding factorio but I still can't get down and dirty with a zomboid with a spiffo suit on

[edgy smelt]

they already said no to adding "redacted" in the suggestions you can find on the steam forums and tis website

[gray delta]

Best to just ignore them

[chilly glade]

Sax update when

[chilly glade]

Also they're doing the absolute opposite of "adding Factorio"

Anyways I can't wait for Factorio to get put on the time-out word list, it would honestly enrich the conversation greatly if anyone who said it couldn't repeat dumb shit they heard someone else who had no clue what they were talking about for an hour

And at this rate no I don't care about 1984 because all the people who say it are plungers who just joined the server

[chilly glade]

Yeah but distributing the information it contains online is illegal, is the issue.

The book itself, however, is in a weird flux state where it can be redistributed online because of the first amendment but if you were to make a blogspot where you upload up-to date recipes based on it like a corrupted cooking blog run by Walter white you could have your blog taken down

[wispy hatch]

Gun maintenance books

[gray delta]

Ammo crafting books 😏

[wispy hatch]

Blade weapon skill book

If we could have bibles in PZ

[marble monolith]

Lotsa people gonna burn Bibles in PZ to be edgy.

[wispy hatch]

Religion would be interesting to see and if character dies they go to heaven.

[chilly glade]

Let's be honest. If the zombie apocalypse happened a lot of people would find themselves rather unfond of religion

[chilly glade]

I don't think the afterlife should be a component of the games perview. Let people decide for themselves if their character went to heaven or not, because no games' moral judgement mechanic has ever been good

[gray delta]

Say that to father Grigoro

[misty wolf]

God bless father grigoro

That man got me out of the worst section of half life

[gray delta]

You mean best section.

That’s one of my absolute favorite places

[misty wolf]

The zombies were JUMPING

[gray delta]

skill issue

[wispy hatch]

Zombie priest be like in PZ

[chilly glade]

A lot does not equal all

A lot of people would have their faith "tested", some will break, some will anchor further down

[wispy hatch]

Hearing some bible verses would be amazing

[real niche]

I had a bible reading on a pz server before

Quite fun

[chilly glade]

Having access to religious material would make for a great roleplaying addition. Also highly lore accurate for Kentucky residents to see some unholy shit and cling to their bibble

[wispy hatch]

Religion cult be like for PZ

[gray delta]

Wouldn’t it be more fun to be an incomprehensible redneck

[wispy hatch]

punish player if they kill innocent people too many times and be rejected by other groups

[gray delta]

Or like boomhauer

“Dang ol zombies killing everyone man I tell you what”

[marble monolith]

I still want to do my Cult of Spiffo faction roleplay when Build 42 drops. Every Spiffo's location is our Church and Chapel! Trips to Louisville are dubbed Pilgrimages to Spiffo World! The only food we eat are those on the Spiffo's menu! Our soldiers wear Spiffo heads, and our ambassadors wear full Spiffo suits! All members wear Spiffo employee outfits! Our trade deals come with a complimentary Double XL Bacon Upgrade Extra! PAWS plushies decorate our altars! Our only permitted entertainment is Enchanted Woodland or "Employee Training Videos." I think I'd have to improvise a "Holy Book," though. Also, expect every other fast food place to be looted and torched.

The theme of the cult is a cross between consumerism and corporate worship.

[chilly glade]

I mean, in the pz world PAWS was a huge success, it seems to have filled in the role of Disney. To think it wouldn't spawn a children's book or 30 is uh, foolishness

[real niche]

imagine a priest npc, akin to Gabriel from twd

if you bring him onto your team he could boost moral in your group

[marble monolith]

Or could borderline screw everything for your group. But then, of course, redeem themself!

[real niche]

lol

[zinc robin]

bruh, my medieval blacksmith ambitions will require metal, if i hve to mine for that metl so be it, the more content the better, not like any mechnics are getting removed

[cunning shale]

still full of metal from carwrecks and appliaces and metal sheets so wich is the sense of implementing mining?

[marble monolith]

Forest-only maps.

[marble monolith]

You guys hear the news?
https://x.com/lemmy101/status/1697210727969264084?s=46&t=cZLPZW5TaAElVPsilJErIg

Chris Simpson (@lemmy101)

Making executive decision due to the delay we had getting the crafting systems overhauled, until we make some significant crafting tech tree progress to show off, we gonna temporarily move to monthly Thursdoids.

Twitter · Aug 31, 2023, 11:32 AM

[real niche]

NOOOOOO

[grizzled harbor]

Monthoids?

[wispy hatch]

RIP

[gray delta]

What will we complain about now

[wispy hatch]

We will only see 1 thursdoid every month

This is going to mean we will only see 4 more thursdoid s this year

[gray delta]

But I want to complain about Factorio mods

[sage idol]

sucks

[short dome]

[pseudo oracle]

It won't make sense, which is why no one will do it. Except those resources are finite, eventually mining will make sense and it will be utilized

assuming they even add mining

[cunning shale]

the sense of a survival game is not also in the managment of the resources? if u gonna make them infinite so where is the challenge? and with this huge map i don't think will run out of metal from wrecks or any metal appliance but mine is jusst an opnion

[tribal blaze]

I think you underestimate the amount of steel we have in everything. It would be enough to rebuild civilization and then some

[pseudo oracle]

true, but remember the idea of B42 is that servers have the option to never reset. think real life years running, people slowly chipping away at pre zomboid resources

[cunning shale]

i think the idea of developing a sort of trading with resources should be the base of every long run server or even resources wars if u put infinite resources like metal what will reamain to do? self sufficients enclaves ? and after u get that what remain to do? and also in real life metal is not present everywhere and we ca not going out of the map in real life we move resources from very long distances i think the idea of mining is ok for a challenge map in the middle of a forest but,sorry, stupid in the classic sandbox game where wherever u turn there is a metal object, plus in this area of kentucky there is no metal but mostly furnaces

and they are not even operating from like the start of 1900

louisville area is rich of clay limestone and gravel they also have a huge mega cavern in the south developed by a company specialized in crushed stone

so will be innatural jump on a rock full of iron, copper or else instead fighting zeds to get a carwreck or town a car to dismantle to get metal or catch any metal appliance at my pov will push players out of their bases to scavenge, and server developing more naturally but this is my opinion

without forget a iron mine is a huge investment of man power and resources and technology

[tribal blaze]

Skill should be the most important resource in long running multiplayer servers. Scavenging resources could easily be put behind skill walls as well which makes them both infinite and scarce.

[gray delta]

I’m guessing metalworking would be phased out or something

Idk that’s for The devs to figure out

Although there’s tons of steel in the cities and towns so

Not to mention with the expansion

[wispy hatch]

Foraging and finding some ore

[gray delta]

Oh no the dreaded mining

I mean mining may be the only way 🤷

Cuz one isn’t gonna find more that easily above ground with foraging

[wispy hatch]

Maybe some gold sifting near rivers.

[gray delta]

Gold isn’t exactly useful though

It’s a malleable metal

Not very strong at all

That gets back to the bog iron I suppose

[radiant fog]

Wasn't this a Thursoid day?

[real niche]

They are making them monthdoids now

Every month

[pseudo oracle]

very useful in electronics

also rivers can supply a ton of varied metals if you know what you're doing

[crisp cargo]

Enough for a community?

[pseudo forum]

People is getting mad for the development cycle

[sacred rock]

yh we know

[gray delta]

Oh for sure but you ain’t gonna be whacking zombies with gold much

[chilly glade]

Bold assumption

I will craft the diamond studded pimp crowbar if I'm permitted to mine gold and diamonds from the earth.

[marble monolith]

Purportedly, panning for metal won't yield much around these parts. Might not be a sustainable option.

[edgy smelt]

awh i want butter pants though

[gray delta]

You can be butter dog

Dog with the butter on em

[proper cradle]

So i guess even less info on dev cycle now?

[edgy smelt]

its only temp

[gray delta]

They got tired of sharing After people freaked out over Factorio

[edgy smelt]

lol

[pseudo oracle]

it's hard when your community loves the illiterate trait

[proper cradle]

I still think some other solution like trello would give more info on state of development and keep people much more content with longer dev cycle if people can track what changed on bi-daily/tri-daily basis

[edgy smelt]

Why trello

people would still complain about the long development times , i dont think trrello would stop that

if they used that instead of blogs wouldnt it still b e updated like once a month?

[proper cradle]

Cheking some checkmars/giving small updates would take a bit less than full devblog, but giv a bit more insight on current stage of feature/update

But it's just my take after working with some gamedevs who use it as to keep peeps updated

Yet i still can be wrong

[edgy smelt]

might not work for everyone , maybe i am just used to the blogs but they feel more personal i guess

[proper cradle]

Maybe it's just prefferential, i'm more of percentage completion/list checkmarking guy

[pseudo oracle]

Unlikely that would work for pz, there have been multiple times when they look into something and decide to add that as well or take back a feature, without actual converse we wouldn't understand what's really happening

[jade juniper]

You can kind of manage in that way with art assets if that's the main bottleneck. If you're doing foundational software work (e.g. the NPC work going through with animals, machines and design work/testing there) there isn't a way to estimate that in a way that fits reality

[gray delta]

It’s none of our business

Let it be

[chilly glade]

The truth is, no matter what method they try to switch to, idiots will still be illiterate. Switching to monthly blog posts lets them iron out what's going to actually be there instead of taking extra time to make up little demonstration bits that immediately get misinterpreted as something they're not and cloud the lines even further, and hopefully come the first monthoid they'll have what the people want to hear instead of yet another confusing mess.

[gray delta]

The people always want to hear about npcs

Like give it a rest we get it

[edgy smelt]

Npc when?!

Nm all the cool shtuff

[chilly glade]

I wasn't even talking about NPCs, I meant more how those crafting systems will actually sit in the main game as opposed to the orange juice line made to demonstrate functionality.

[edgy smelt]

We can have grass lemonade stand and sell to cows for milk

[gray delta]

Then we eat the cows

[unborn oxide]

so when it'll be the next thursdoid?

[gray delta]

Guys

I had a brilliant inspiration just now while helping my dad

We can get metal scrap and shit

From the dump

This would solve everything!

That’s how one could find it when there’s no city

[tribal blaze]

The whole world's a dump after the apocalypse 🤫 🤯

[gray delta]

Also true

But that’s where we get da metal

[gray delta]

That or forage 🤔

[cunning shale]

in the middle of the forest is not possible find metal and even if u find a rock with metal mnerals still u need a oven to separate the iron

think about the native americans they was use bones or stones or shells to make arrows the flint and the metal arrived later using scrap iron from european barels

even u find a vein ok still u have to dig and use a pick axe to mine metal basically u have to work a month in the mine and oven to have a bunch of metal

for now the only good attempt is bog iron from swamps

[edgy smelt]

pz is set in its own universe apart from ours though so its possible for really anything

its in a pz verse!

[cunning shale]

the only thing different from pzverse and ours are only zombies

in my pov i think add somenthing like mining will make the game easier and broke

i still dream about the possibility to cut a car in half to make a carriage😍

[gray delta]

I can say a dump would be likely

Either that or you’re getting mining

And I know your opinion on that

[jade juniper]

One month later, the metal acquisition debate rages on

[edgy smelt]

lol

[chilly glade]

If the devs want players to be able to start in an isolated island with no access to the modern world and climb the tech tree somehow, mining will become a necessary sacrifice.

And the best way to do that, is to have meteors strike periodically, causing modest devastation away from the players location. Having 5 drop on the start day will mean nothing to a player starting a normal save in a normal map connected to Kentucky, but having a metal meteorite strike in that isolated island, that is a primary source of metal for those people and will be sufficient.

[edgy smelt]

LOL NO METEORS

NO TERRARIA

[chilly glade]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-earth-explosion-gif-15700623

[gray delta]

I mean it’s a debate until it comes out

[sacred rock]

does anyone know if they changed the thursdoids to bi weekly to once every 3 weeks?

cuz we were supposed to get one last thursday

and last thursdoid was a week late also

[edgy smelt]

its monthly temporairirly

[bronze zinc]

Devs divided to give the thursdoid guy a break and wanted to focus hard on the crafting tree

[sacred rock]

makes sense tbh

more time on update

we do get one this week tho right?

[bronze zinc]

You can ask one of the devs I reckon

Blair sometimes talks in here

[edgy smelt]

i dont think they have said when it might be on the twitter but not surres

[sacred rock]

i’ll check

[sacred rock]

ermmmm u mean X?? 😪

[edgy smelt]

honestly i dont use it enough to remember

[gray delta]

Yeah I ain’t calling it thst

Elon can fuck off

[chilly glade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925456023618191390/1052470817096749057/ezgif-3-148303765a.gif

[real niche]

That’s why he’s going to mars

[gray delta]

To buy candy bars

[real niche]

And wage wars

[quaint wraith]

I hope there’s a monthdoid today 🤞

[thorny minnow]

if there is there will be a new factorio pandemic

[real niche]

factorioids when they realize they didnt even read the blog and are complaining about literally nothing

[chilly glade]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-ltg-gif-24660602

[gray delta]

Guess we are stuck for another week at least with Factorio 😏

[wispy hatch]

unless we get a thursdoid at the end of the month.

I remember tha days of when Project zomboid dev blogs were on weekly monday blog posts before becoming thursdoids.

this could mean we would only have 4 more blogs left this year.

[marble monolith]

Best case scenario, they're back by December.

[wispy hatch]

some day it will be bi weekly thursdoid since the monthly dev blogs are not a permanent change.

https://twitter.com/theindiestone/status/1697238219480314350?t=kaE2rMMiggnruKk208vMlA&s=19

The Indie Stone (@theindiestone)

1/ Hey all, we’ve made the decision to temporarily make Thursdoids monthly rather than every 2 weeks. Much of our current work is ‘completing what we’ve already shown’ – and much of it isn’t flashy, it’s just stuff we need to get done that isn’t always suitable for a news post.

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Twitter · Aug 31, 2023, 1:21 PM

so far we only have 3 more weeks in this month for our next thursdoid

[marble monolith]

I meant, hopefully, bi-weekly Thursdoids are back by December.

[wispy hatch]

hopefully be december or early 2024.

[jade juniper]

If they're wrapping up features then maybe we have an IWBUMS by those times.

[wispy hatch]

that could be a possibilty.

maybe late 2023 or early 2024 for build 42 to be available for the public in IWBUMS

[heavy zephyr]

seems a bit odd for them to announce this temporary change on their Twitter account rather than on steam or their discord.

[gray delta]

steam would just whine

[wispy hatch]

so far any week from now we could see our next thursdoid.

[chilly glade]

Twitter wouldn't? Discord wouldn't? How many people did we get just in this channel to whine over something they actively went to every length possible to disconfirm, and that announcement can't be debunked

[pulsar night]

I can’t wait for goats bc then I can make cheese like Eastman from the walking dead

[misty wolf]

I love eastman

[marble monolith]

Pretty sure mammals actually only lactate after they've given birth. So either you're gonna have to get her a lover or go the way of the factory farm.

[gray delta]

Im a mammal, can you milk me?

[thorny minnow]

im no mammal, but i will milk you

[marble monolith]

Drinking all that B42 cow milk?

[wispy hatch]

Pasteurized milk.

[jade juniper]

Gotta drink that milk before you hit the mines

[chilly glade]

https://tenor.com/view/mining-mlm-motherlode-mine-this-is-not-motherlode-mine-its-just-some-gold-ore-gif-16179684

[wispy hatch]

being able to grow some sugar beets to make more sugar.

[gray delta]

That’s the hope

Or be able to brew wine and cultures to make vinegar and shit

Self sufficient when it runs out

You know what I wonder

I wonder if we can grow peanuts

Cuz then we can make peanut butter

[gray delta]

God when will this update be out i I can finally make my own stuff

Less reliance on mods for certain farming things

[thorny minnow]

please infinite salt and flour

[pulsar night]

NOO

[marble monolith]

Hope you brought gloves

[wispy hatch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8nfYMuBzuE chicken farming in PZ be like

[marble monolith]

"If you enjoyed it, the chicken didn't die in vain!"

[wispy hatch]

maybe we could see a thursdoid tomorrow.

[marble monolith]

Maybe. I hope so. My brain is tweaking out, man. I need my Thursdoid fix.

[gray delta]

My uncle works for zomboid

[wispy hatch]

Waiting for that thursdoid be like

until we get our bi weekly thursdoids again

[wild path]

So thursdoids are no longer releasing on thursdays?

[jade juniper]

Monthly schedule now, which could mean either today, next week, or the week after depending on what updates they have

[wispy hatch]

we got the 21st and 28th left this month for a possible thursdoids.

[gray delta]

Thursdays are cancelled

[bronze brook]

deep down all I want is functional 3d model movers in lua

[wispy hatch]

indiestone has abandoned us!!!!!

[jade juniper]

NGL every time I check back here seeing a new message, I hope there's another debate about mining

[short dome]

the connection is lost

[marble monolith]

I raise you this: what are our options for getting metal on complete wilderness maps?

[gray delta]

Something that has been asked about before

Answer is nobody knows

[thorny minnow]

Foraging

[bronze brook]

kill animals, distill iron from their blood

[marble monolith]

Stab-self, distill iron from own blood.

[pseudo oracle]

Depends on if there are rivers or not

[gray delta]

I’m still going for a potential dump area to grab metal

[marble monolith]

According to some people here, you don't get that much metal from that.

[pseudo oracle]

I mean don't expect to build a car, but depending on the method you can definitely make a fair few tools

[radiant fog]

I know child labor is bad, but hear me out...

[wispy hatch]

bring back weekly thursdoids lol

[cunning shale]

bog iron

[marble monolith]

Right. Okay. That could be an option, but we don't even have swampland as a map tile category. They'd have to make one, but even then, there probably nowhere in Kentucky to use such tiles. And wilderness-only mappers are gonna need to ensure plenty of swamps. And how would the bog iron be harvested, exactly? Via foraging? Will if visibly spawn on the ground?

But bog iron might be the best option TIS has got if they don't want players to mine ore directly.

[tribal blaze]

People are too fixated on mining and ore and stuff when it makes more sense to endlessly find metal items like spoons, fenders, and other random metal scrap even in the most remote places

[crisp cargo]

Also iron is not present in this area of ky, the wilderness map should be a challenge map with swamp tiles and able ro find bog iron via foraging after reach a certail skill's level in the normal map doesn't have such sense cause all the metal u have around

[wispy hatch]

project zomboid getting leeches be like.

[sturdy wasp]

isn't this update gonna take much longer since it's similar to the Minecraft redstone update with those juice extractors

[gray delta]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-start-that-again-disney-gif-9668240

[pulsar night]

Lmao

[pseudo oracle]

community estimates had it around winter of this year or early to mid next year. it still seems like a fairly accurate estimate

[pulsar night]

gets excited

[marble monolith]

My estimates were December 2023 to March 2024, but now, I'm not so sure. With the announcement of monthly Thursdoids, who knows when they'll be ready. Nobody knows how many months they'll need before development blogs ramp back up and we get bi-weekly Thursdoids again. Could be January - May ☹️

[pseudo oracle]

I don't think you understand why they went to monthly thursdoids

[bronze zinc]

When I saw the monthly thursdoid news I got some hype

[wispy hatch]

Monthly thursdoid will make PZ feel dead

[chilly glade]

Bah, it'll be fine

[gray delta]

Dead like a zombie?

[wispy hatch]

we only got 2 more thursdays left in this month for a dev blog.

[gray delta]

We may just have to accept that we might not get a thursoid soon

[unborn oxide]

it has been 1 month since the last thursdoid

my pp hurts

[bronze zinc]

Well idk about y'all, but the fact that they're solely focusing on the game instead of taking time to write down what theyre working every two weeks is a great thing imo

Ok, to be real the fact that they are making this a temporary deal also makes perfect sense, since they gotta make their gargantuan crafting tier lists and stuff, that's gonna take a lot of work lol

[gray delta]

I mean who knows maybe less focus on thursoid allows b42 to come out quicker

[chilly glade]

Maybe that's exactly why they did it, especially when most of 42 is underlying changes that don't represent easily for a blog post until it all comes together

[bronze zinc]

Well their biggest reason is now they're in the stage of making the actual crafting lists, they felt like that alone wouldnt give them a whole lot of exciting stuff to show off in the first place, so they're firing all pistons to get that part done

At least thats what I got from that one tweet

[marble monolith]

they felt like that alone wouldnt give them a whole lot of exciting stuff to show off in the first place
Well, then they sorely underestimate people like me. I want to start mentally organizing my crafting rooms as soon as possible! 😃

[pseudo oracle]

it's not that they're diverting resources to development, more so that the development is just finishing what they've already been talking about, and so there isn't much to show. Definitely a good thing though, means they've begun work on most everything "tangible" and are now just finishing what they've started

Least, that's how I understood it

[sacred rock]

they need more time to actually make updates than posting thursdoids

also they’ll be double the amount of content we normally since its once a month and not bi weekly

so we have more stuff and time to think about stuff before next thursdoid

[wispy hatch]

awesome we are finally going to have a thursdoid tomorrow

[bronze zinc]

Yeah I saw that too, hype

[gray delta]

I was gonna say copium but yeah you right

[wispy hatch]

must be a big thursdoid that shows us some good news.

[gray delta]

Finally: Factorio 2

[jade juniper]

Finally: Minecraft 2

[chilly glade]

#tweets message

[marble monolith]

Imma freaking inhale that Thursdoid as hard as I'll ingest that rat poison!

I also gotta redesign my murder cocktail. It'll have bleach, paint, gasoline, some floating mushrooms, and now I gotta add some rat poison seasoning.

[tribal blaze]

Watch someone completely misinterpret the post, annoying the devs again that they switch to quarterly thursdoids 😅

[marble monolith]

Don't incentivize me to try a real murder cocktail.

[wispy hatch]

imagine thursdoids every 6 months lol

[jade juniper]

Happy New Yearsdroid

[wispy hatch]

thursdoid that becomes every week lol

[gray delta]

So long to this discussion Chanel

[tribal blaze]

It lived the longest of them all

[deft jetty]

daily thursdoid

[chilly glade]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-memes-connection-terminated-fnaf-security-breach-fnaf4-fnaf-gif-25323747

[gray delta]

Here’s hoping more crafting stuff is shown I wanna see the whole crafting tree

[marble monolith]

I need to see the crafting trees 😳

[patent hornet]

so so hyped for Thursdoid today, i think the monthlys will bring good hype. I felt with the biweeklys going for so long made it seem like the release was imminent

[sturdy fog]

Microtransactions update i need this ASAP 🗣️‼️🔥

[gray delta]

https://tenor.com/view/lowtiergod-mods-discord-skull-crush-gif-8978252102685294243

[wispy hatch]

Microtransaction we dont need another EA company

[sturdy fog]

Microtransactions would be awesome for the game

[wispy hatch]

microtransactions is pure greed.

[sturdy fog]

Microtransactions make the game more interactive and enjoyable

[thorny minnow]

You’re just friend

[sturdy fog]

Ive spent time staring at the screen wishing i could give TIS $5 for a funny hat

[wispy hatch]

spend $20 for extra ammo to survive longer in project zomboid lol

[tepid olive]

Thursdoid update let's goooooo!!!! 🥳

[marble monolith]

THURSDOIDS ARE MY CRACK!

[bronze brook]

WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN

[deep quartz]

WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN

[jade juniper]

Check back in 5 minutes

[gray delta]

Y’all just gonna whine when it comes out