general_chat

[onyx igloo]

i enjoy old technology in general

[thin wedge]

real

[toxic relic]

smells like damp paper and dust

[stiff geyser]

They deteriorate easily

[onyx igloo]

i dont really like old book smell either

[quasi slate]

snorting old paper

[rain mango]

its better than a fart smell??

ugh

[vital marten]

yes

[shrewd smelt]

Me with the Narnia collection:

[vital marten]

its fun so far

[dull blade]

I was going to go for vinyls but my dad lowkey sold my player awhile back so I stopped buying them..

[stiff geyser]

And people claim that vinyl has better quality which is true in theory

[toxic relic]

captain underpants is so peak bro

[onyx igloo]

im pretty sure i had a thick ass book that was the entirety of Narnia

that shit hurt my legs to read lmao

[rain mango]

me w dune

[toxic relic]

new vinyls arent good quality nor are vinyl players

unless you get a bespoke 20k set

[stiff geyser]

Narnia books are really short so it couldn't be that big lol

Idk the first Narnia book I have is tiny

[onyx igloo]

maybe im thinking of something else

or maybe someone just said "hey im gonna make a thick ass narnia book"

lmao

[rain mango]

i remember narnia being thick

[stiff geyser]

I think the longest book I own is Watchmen lol

[toxic relic]

is that a book

[rain mango]

the one in the library was full story

[toxic relic]

or a graphic novel

[rain mango]

and huge

[stiff geyser]

Graphic novel

[onyx igloo]

whats the actual difference between books and graphic novels

[toxic relic]

picture

[onyx igloo]

i never really knew i just thought it was a name

[rain mango]

image

[onyx igloo]

lmao

[stiff geyser]

Still, Watchmen is extremely dense, with huge chunks of text in the middle of it

[rain mango]

wait isnt rezero a graphic novel

[stiff geyser]

Took me several days to finish it. Same with V for Vendetta

I consider both as books lol

[onyx igloo]

ive watched the v for vendetta movie

is the book better

[toxic relic]

"A graphic novel is a self-contained, book-length form of sequential art."
"A novel is an extended work of narrative fiction usually written in prose and published as a book."

v for vendetta sucks

[shrewd smelt]

Some Narnia books have some pictures in it and it's not a novel. The silver chair has like 4.

[onyx igloo]

hes just roleplaying a cringe hacker smh

[shrewd smelt]

Gross.

[rain mango]

priorities

[toxic relic]

i anticipated this response, hence my follow up message

[rain mango]

a hacker wouldnt have time to court a lady

thats for doritos and dr pepper

[toxic relic]

its sequential art instead of primarily being written word

[toxic relic]

it reminds me of hellboy

[onyx igloo]

hellboy

[toxic relic]

the hellboy movies suck balls man

[stiff geyser]

Yes

[rain mango]

doesnt hellboy beat up a demon disguised as an old lady

[toxic relic]

theyre melodramatic set pieces about people doing nothing

[shrewd smelt]

Idk about calling manga a novel. Doesn't feel right.

[toxic relic]

beat dis

[rain mango]

dont threaten me

[onyx igloo]

i saw a manga called toilet bound

[rain mango]

w a good time

[onyx igloo]

i knew they made a book about me somewhere

[stiff geyser]

You finish a Watchmen chapter and this wall of text hits you

[rain mango]

lore bomb

[stiff geyser]

There's like 3 or 4 pages like that at the end of each chapter

There's 12 chapters

[toxic relic]

bro sees more than 1 sentence and dies

[halcyon ruin]

I'm eating Goldfish crackers right now.

[toxic relic]

are you illiterate bro

[rain mango]

its all ozymandias man

[stiff geyser]

Some of them have less text tho

[toxic relic]

4 pages without pictures

[onyx igloo]

No you arent

https://tenor.com/view/wiz-yore-gmod-wooden-disappear-gif-17534145

[rain mango]

kill gurt

[stiff geyser]

Actually, I struggled to read those pages when I was reading it for the first time. That moment I realised that social media fucked my attention span. I've been reading way more since then

I read like... 15 books last year?

[toxic relic]

fair enough

[stiff geyser]

But 14 of them were on the second half

[toxic relic]

what did you enjoy most of those 15

[stiff geyser]

My attention span was so bad that one book was the first half of the year lol

[rain mango]

im reading a book about greek mythology because of carl jung

[toxic relic]

i hate greek mythology

[rain mango]

zeus is a scamp

[stiff geyser]

A lot of them were shit lol

[toxic relic]

lmao

[stiff geyser]

I liked Catedrales

Cool novel lol

Then I read Call Me By Your Name

Absolute garbage

[toxic relic]

claudia piñeiro?

[onyx igloo]

whys bro saying the names so fancy

[stiff geyser]

That one

Best book I read last year

[rain mango]

bro apollo and hades are the only proper role models, and even hades is kinda off

[toxic relic]

when you type you are meant to use italics for titles

its not fancy its just english standard

[onyx igloo]

i know im joking

[rain mango]

yes

[toxic relic]

real

[stiff geyser]

I like doing that with book and movie titles... Sometimes I forget lol

[toxic relic]

im glad people stopped liking call me by your name

idk why it got so popular

[stiff geyser]

I was reading it and thinking "this shit is so wrong"

[toxic relic]

fr

[rain mango]

peaches

[ancient meteor]

if standard English, why using italians?

[stiff geyser]

Characters were 24 and 17 bruh

[onyx igloo]

was it hallmark movie wrong

oh

ew

[toxic relic]

maybe the straight women finally got bored of it

🙏

[rain mango]

peaches and timmy chaminenamet

[toxic relic]

man i hate that guy

[rain mango]

i think he cool

[stiff geyser]

I mean... That was weird, but not what I hated about it

The relationship between them was toxic as fuck

[toxic relic]

how bro

[stiff geyser]

And the book wasn't even that interesting

[rain mango]

bro the scenes about the pool

argh

[stiff geyser]

I think it was like the gay book back then

We had nothing better

Still toxic as shit

[toxic relic]

nothing better

[onyx igloo]

did you guys like ed edd n eddy

as a show

i did

[stiff geyser]

I'll try with this one next lmao

[toxic relic]

dude why

[toxic relic]

yessir

[stiff geyser]

I love shitty gay stories

I've heard this one ain't toxic

[onyx igloo]

RED WHITE AND BLUE BABY 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅

[toxic relic]

its not american

[onyx igloo]

thats the joke

[stiff geyser]

It's the son of the US president falling in love with a British prince or something

I love that premise

[rain mango]

do heartstopper too

[toxic relic]

man im not getting your humour today

[stiff geyser]

I haven't read it yet

[toxic relic]

bruh

[rain mango]

its the antithesis to call me by ur name

[onyx igloo]

i dont either

[rain mango]

pallete cleanser

[onyx igloo]

i just throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks

[toxic relic]

maybe im a cynical old man

[stiff geyser]

I've read that one... It's really awkward for me idk

[toxic relic]

heartstopper sucked imo

[rain mango]

whaaat its a great contrast to call me by ur peaches

[stiff geyser]

I liked the webtoon a while ago but the series made me uncomfortable

[toxic relic]

doesnt mean its good

its just the opposite

[onyx igloo]

heartstopper? like adenosine?

[stiff geyser]

I think being a 24 year old dude watching a teenage romance show made me feel weird lol

[toxic relic]

fr

thats what i felt reading it

[rain mango]

its comics too

[rain mango]

pallete cleanser

[toxic relic]

im not interested in sappy "first time" stories

[stiff geyser]

Heart stopper is just... A slice of life?

[toxic relic]

its boring and bland

[stiff geyser]

Like, nothing really happens

[rain mango]

slice of life is good

[toxic relic]

i hate it

lmao

[stiff geyser]

Sometimes, yes

But I like a bit of drama

I've read this yaoi that isn't toxic (unreal, I know) that kinda is a slice of life

[toxic relic]

bruh yaoi

[stiff geyser]

But I like seeing how the couple evolves over time

[rain mango]

it represents a lot to me, my high school was very much like the story

i just didnt have an eating disorder

[stiff geyser]

I know, I know... But this one is actually cool

Like... They are both the same age

[toxic relic]

HAHAH

[stiff geyser]

Unreal, I know

[toxic relic]

bro bro hear me out, theyre the same age in this one so its already better

[stiff geyser]

And no weird power dynamic between them

Just genuine care

[toxic relic]

nah dude im not interested in romance

[stiff geyser]

Boring

Smh

Ngl, fair

[toxic relic]

i dislike it as a genre in anything

[rain mango]

tonight's episode: the writer's barely disguised fetish

[stiff geyser]

Just romance is boring. I need something else in the mix

[rain mango]

men not drinking beer?

[stiff geyser]

Like drama or comedy

[rain mango]

unreal

[stiff geyser]

I hate beer

[toxic relic]

beer is peak

[rain mango]

same

[stiff geyser]

I've been drunk once and I hated it

[rain mango]

peak organ failure

[toxic relic]

give me a fosters mate

[stiff geyser]

One week sober btw

Lmao

[rain mango]

ive been sober for 3 years

[toxic relic]

🤔 i enjoy gay literature a lot but i dont understand why its synonymous with romance

[trim cedar]

how is general chat

[stiff geyser]

I was sober for my entire life. Got wasted during the entire first week of the year

[trim cedar]

i did the thing

[stiff geyser]

Then I realised "this sucks"

[rain mango]

do you understand why p* is not synonimous with romance?

[stiff geyser]

I'll never drink again

[rain mango]

synusnemos

[toxic relic]

what

[rain mango]

yes

[stiff geyser]

You'll love my comic, then

[rain mango]

🌽

[toxic relic]

no thanks

[rain mango]

just say porn

tele 🌽

[onyx igloo]

teletext services

[stiff geyser]

Smh. There's gay romance that's relevant to the plot

[toxic relic]

i dont like romance

[stiff geyser]

You have a cold heart

[rain mango]

preach

[toxic relic]

👍

i dont like romance and i find interpersonal drama trite and banal

[rain mango]

birdwatching

[stiff geyser]

Peach (call me by your name reference)

[onyx igloo]

you must be punished
what is that rolf
its the hat of discipline, do you live in a cave?

all is forgiven

[stiff geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-a-sad-strange-little-man-and-you-have-my-pity-buzz-lightyear-woody-toy-story-i-feel-sorry-for-you-gif-15852651771763536287

[toxic relic]

my favourite movie is jarhead

[rain mango]

thats,,,,

jarring

[stiff geyser]

My favourite movie is top secret

[rain mango]

i still havent gottem over coraline

[stiff geyser]

I have the book

[rain mango]

peak

[stiff geyser]

Isn't the author a pedo or something?

[rain mango]

i should read it one day

what

[stiff geyser]

I forgot what happened

Neil Gaiman, I mean

[rain mango]

idk if he went for kids man

[stiff geyser]

Apparently it wasn't against kids, but still really bad stuff

Makes me feel bad to read his stuff now

I can tolerate art made by a shitty person if they had okay morals for their time

[toxic relic]

what does that mean

[stiff geyser]

Like Lovecraft... He was racist as fuck, but for the time, it wasn't a big deal. It was how society was back then

So he was like an average man

[toxic relic]

lol

[rain mango]

bummer

boomers bummers

[toxic relic]

that doesnt seem true

[stiff geyser]

I mean, still sucks, but I don't think he had true malice in his heart

[toxic relic]

that it wasnt a big deal i mean

[rain mango]

for the time?

[toxic relic]

yes

[rain mango]

it wouldnt be a big deal

[toxic relic]

it would be

[rain mango]

no

[ancient meteor]

uhhhh

[toxic relic]

people knew racism was bad

lol

[stiff geyser]

Lovecraft was around at the beginning of the 1900 or something

[rain mango]

some people knew

[toxic relic]

no

most people knew

people were against colonisation when it started t

[rain mango]

most people didnt apply

it

remember that in history

everything is racist

[toxic relic]

people were against racism when racist laws were implemented

[rain mango]

everything and everyone is racist

most knew it was bad too

[stiff geyser]

But it still was a very prevalent thought in the us at the beginning of the 1900s

[toxic relic]

yeah

[ancient meteor]

okay but Lovecraft was a standout anti-Semite even for his time

[toxic relic]

how do you know

[rain mango]

power dynamics

[toxic relic]

power dynamics now are similar

[ancient meteor]

I love all of his written works FWIW, but let's not start defending HP Lovecraft as a person

[onyx igloo]

you know what annoys me in this one game i have

[rain mango]

racism didnt exist in vaccuum, what caused it was power dynamics

most people were racist back then

[stiff geyser]

Nah I still think he sucks, but I don't feel uncomfortable reading his stuff

[rain mango]

and they knew it was bad too

[thin wedge]

its that time of the day

[rain mango]

we wont bbg

[thin wedge]

poop blast

[stiff geyser]

I feel uncomfortable reading stuff from Neil Gaiman now

[onyx igloo]

now this is the facelifted car, its based of a ford taunus tc1 which looks like this

[stiff geyser]

Or JK Rowling lol

[thin wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/poop-blast-poop-blast-incredibles-gif-27422322

[onyx igloo]

WHY

THE SQUARE LIGHTS LOOK BETTER

[stiff geyser]

I love this shit

[toxic relic]

it seems like your real marker for whats "ok" to read is time

[rain mango]

his portrayal of dream is now all the more sus

[toxic relic]

would probably be better to just say "yeah if its over 50 years ago then ill read the author" instead of whatever weird incorrect morality logic

[ivory grail]

How is general chat

[lilac quarry]

I've had this saved for way too long now

[rain mango]

hey, a trans person can still read jk rowling latest wreck of a book critically

[toxic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/how-to-basic-toilet-how-to-fix-a-leaking-toilet-how-to-basic-toilet-how-to-basic-leaking-toilet-gif-20464191

[rain mango]

why are we typing sus in 2026

just fucking say suspicious

[rain mango]

sous

[ancient meteor]

It think it's much more morally consistent to ignore an author's takes as a person and still enjoy their works, when that author isn't alive to benefit from your purchase of them

[toxic relic]

yeah

[rain mango]

you can also write down what you think was morally ambiguous or wrong on a paper by the side

school work stuff

[toxic relic]

considering saying "well it was normal then" is both not true and hilariously blind sided

[stiff geyser]

Well then most of people in history suck

[toxic relic]

yeah no shit

[ancient meteor]

you know, both my parents love annotating physical books and adding post-it notes and highlighting passages

[toxic relic]

great man theory isnt real

[ancient meteor]

And I was taught to do that in school

[stiff geyser]

I believe most people are good

[rain mango]

what's great man theory?

[ancient meteor]

but I fin can't stand the concept of writing in a book, even one I own

[rain mango]

imagine it back then, the buzz would never equal to todays buzz, thats the point of why the work got recognition for the time

[toxic relic]

essentially its the concept that history is made by individual "great men"- which is untrue

[stiff geyser]

I admire a lot of people from history... I know most of them were racist, homophobic and misogynistic from our standards

[toxic relic]

our standard

[rain mango]

i love it

[toxic relic]

by their own standards dude

[rain mango]

whos the blind dumbass who made that theory

[stiff geyser]

I just try to think they tried to be the best they could within the morals of their time

[toxic relic]

bruh

im being ragebaited

[stiff geyser]

Not really

[rain mango]

my book from yuval noah has so many thoughts

[toxic relic]

"within the morals of their time" like the idea of civil rights didnt exist until 1967

george henry white crying

[stiff geyser]

I truly think we shouldn't judge people from history that harshly if that's the only thing they knew?

[toxic relic]

dude

people knew

[rain mango]

I CANT FUCKING ESCAPE THE NUMBER

[toxic relic]

oh shit

hahaha

[stiff geyser]

Like... Not to the point of cancelling people from that

[toxic relic]

cancelling is crazy

[rain mango]

cancelling is crazy

[toxic relic]

considering the context and flaws of an individual being called cancelling

erhm yeah he hated indians but he was a cool guy otherwise right

[rain mango]

i think its okay to idolize someone in history as long as they weren't a piece of shit by today's standards AND by their time's standards

which are kinda the same thing

so most people in history are bad to idolize lol

[stiff geyser]

Idk I still admire people who'd probably feel disgusted to know they are admired by a guy like me lol

[toxic relic]

its just a false concept of time to assume that prejudice wasnt considered prejudice in the past. im not sure where that idea comes from

[rain mango]

the book going so far in popularity, despite the authors stances, tells a lot for the time zeitgeist

[rain mango]

preacy

preach

most people wouldnt even know who the author was too

[toxic relic]

its not like, for example, winston churchill being very anti indian independence wasnt considered a bad thing in his time

[stiff geyser]

Conquering people with different cultures has been part of humanity since the very beginning idk

[rain mango]

pbaiting wtf

[stiff geyser]

I think our values changed over time

[toxic relic]

that doesnt mean it wasnt known to be bad dude

the collective "values" of people dont reflect individuals

[stiff geyser]

Okay, let me get this straight, I don't want to get lost

I think our values as society evolved over time. You think that what is considered bad today was considered bad since forever?

[mellow birch]

someone considered it bad since forever

[rain mango]

globalization was bogus back then yea

[mellow birch]

even if that wasn’t the dominant understanding

[rain mango]

truth

[stiff geyser]

Fr

[toxic relic]

im not sure the norm negates the reality

[stiff geyser]

I buy that

[rain mango]

it wasnt the reality back then farts

[toxic relic]

it was dude

holy shit

[mellow birch]

people who were submissive to the dominant understanding which was permissive towards evil aren’t excused because they were in the majority

[thin wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-eminem-fortnite-marshall-matters-marshall-never-more-marshall-never-more-fortnite-gif-13562737845025757360

[rain mango]

the drop in popularity is now

[stiff geyser]

But I still think that the values of society as a whole changed

[mellow birch]

dominant ideas have changed

[toxic relic]

the reality of slavery doesnt negate the fact that it was legal for example

[thin wedge]

they did not like his salsa

[toxic relic]

slavery is still bad lmao

[thin wedge]

but

[stiff geyser]

Dude slavery was considered an okay thing during most of history

[mellow birch]

but the idea of equality, being a decent human being, not invading people and not enslaving others has always existed

[rain mango]

it was

[toxic relic]

wait phrasing, the norm of slavery and it being legal doesnt negate the reality of it

[stiff geyser]

Lots of people hated it, but a different lot of people were really into it

[toxic relic]

dude what

[rain mango]

a majority

[mellow birch]

a lot of nazis were really into the holocaust

[toxic relic]

that extends to the present

idk why youd assume that the present is any better then

[mellow birch]

I’m sure that means they were decent since they were in the majority at that time

it’s okay to admire them

smh

[toxic relic]

yeah idk this logic

it seems to assume that the past is hilariously backward and the present is progressive

[rain mango]

they reflected the values tru

[stiff geyser]

You can't get people to publicly admit they support slavery nowadays (yes, I know you can find outliers, but that happens with literally everything). Back then, yes

[toxic relic]

thats wrong

[stiff geyser]

Dude seriously you think society has been the same since forever?

[toxic relic]

modern slavery exists and many people publicly support it

[rain mango]

ya

[toxic relic]

i believe that humans are still the same

[mellow birch]

nobody is saying that

[stiff geyser]

Okay that's just being obtuse

[toxic relic]

we arent a different species

[mellow birch]

you’re missing the point

[toxic relic]

yeah

[rain mango]

not without negative consequences

[stiff geyser]

Of course not

[toxic relic]

not really

[rain mango]

how

[toxic relic]

most companies openly admit they engage in some form of slavery yet they are not sanctioned.

[rain mango]

today there are negative consequences to past values that are outright wrong

[toxic relic]

most prisons exploit laws that allow slavery yet they arent condemned

[rain mango]

doesnt mean theres not a power shift going on

[toxic relic]

power shift

[rain mango]

things need to be transparent nowadays

[toxic relic]

thats not true either

[mellow birch]

the point is right was still right and wrong was still wrong, regardless of dominant values. Just because cultural norms are subjective to the time doesn’t mean our understanding of their actions have to conform to whatever warped understanding was popular then, or even whatever warped understanding of the world is popular now

[stiff geyser]

We didn't really evolve a lot. We heavily rely on social context to determine our behaviour. I still think that what we consider good or bad collectively (that also shapes what people think individually, even if they don't realise it) has changed over generations. So we shouldn't really judge someone as a bad person for having beliefs that are considered bad today

[rain mango]

they need, or theres public unrest

[toxic relic]

lol

im not sure theres a point to this birb

it seems like they dont want to understand

https://tenor.com/view/jacob-jones-jacob-jones-jacobfuckingjones-alcohol-gif-3719260426645908864

[mellow birch]

the conclusion does not follow from the premises

[candid patio]

farty

[rain mango]

farts man

[candid patio]

recommend me a feel good movie

[stiff geyser]

Just in case I lose the debate, this was all ragebaiting

[rain mango]

i mean most people dont like to be told that people they admire are shitty people

but its not wrong

[candid patio]

i don't care what country it's from

[rain mango]

lovecraft a pos

[rain mango]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-whuh-cat-huh-kitten-whuh-kitten-side-eye-cat-side-eye-gif-15153715894785353453

[onyx igloo]

all quiet on the western front

[toxic relic]

what genre

[toxic relic]

lmaoo-man i have to repeat, the remake of this sucks balls

[onyx igloo]

i've only seen the remake unfortunately

what makes the old one better?

[rain mango]

if im watching a bad movie i do anything to avoid boredom

[mellow birch]

I base my morality on the impact it has on other people, and even though I am undoubtedly moved and changed by the currents of the time I happen to find myself in, and am created by them, that doesn’t mean future generations shouldn’t judge me by how I got things wrong.

[rain mango]

like focusing on what they did good

[toxic relic]

framing, affects, cinematography

[rain mango]

instead of everything else thats slop

[onyx igloo]

i had to watch the entirety of a demon slayer movie

[candid patio]

i don't care... last time i looked for a feel good movie I found "Chef" and I really enjoyed it. Something like that. but it could be anything

[rain mango]

slop

[onyx igloo]

that wasnt a bad movie it was just a cia torture method directed towards me

[mellow birch]

if I have an inconsistent or harmful ideology with a negative real world impact it doesn’t matter what the norms were at the time

I still hurt people and contributed to harm

[stiff geyser]

I think failing at some stuff due to lack of knowledge is okay

[mellow birch]

that’s what matters in the assessment

[onyx igloo]

my god how much damage can a bird do

[rain mango]

carpet bombin

[mellow birch]

“failing at some stuff” is not the same as supporting and participating in slavery or genocide.

there are some lines I consider inexcusable

[toxic relic]

ok let me think

[candid patio]

it could be a little gay

but not too gay

[stiff geyser]

Like, I think of homophobia... A lot of people from history I admire were probably homophobic, but just because they didn't know anything about it. We all know it, we know it's just how people are and all. Centuries ago it was seen as something perverse for some reason and no one questioned it

[stiff geyser]

True

I fucking hate slavery on all its forms ngl

[rain mango]

this whole conversation reminds me of this video

[stiff geyser]

Btw I don't admire warlords lmao

[rain mango]

https://youtu.be/Ud74ecoKgL4?si=U2OL2Rh08sg-Uh-d

[candid patio]

i'm refraining from participating in this discussion because i don't know how to keep politics out of it

[stiff geyser]

Fair enough

[mellow birch]

it still reflects on their character: as a person who didn’t go against the norms of their time. As someone morally mediocre

at least in that particular area

[toxic relic]

heres an older one: https://letterboxd.com/film/ikiru/
french one-you cannot watch the american remake of this, it sucks: https://letterboxd.com/film/the-intouchables/
another french one: https://letterboxd.com/film/my-afternoons-with-margueritte/

[stiff geyser]

I kinda suck at explaining my thoughts so I fear I might say something ban worth lol

[lilac quarry]

intouchables is fire

[shadow kite]

I think that

bad thing bad

but good thing good

[toxic relic]

its so good dude

[stiff geyser]

What makes something bad tho?

[toxic relic]

bruh

[shadow kite]

uhh

[toxic relic]

slappy i think you should watch intouchables

[mellow birch]

that isn’t quite true

[candid patio]

that's the one i picked!

[toxic relic]

its the most accessible of the 3

[candid patio]

i just rented it

[toxic relic]

the french one right

cinema

[stiff geyser]

Explain why

Smh

[toxic relic]

people knew what gay was

[candid patio]

probably playing pz and watching a movie i need subtitles for at the same time is a bad idea

[toxic relic]

yeah

but tbh intouchables is so feel good youll smile just listening

[mellow birch]

homophobia as we understand it now, all same sex love being perverse and evil or whatever wasn’t the way it always functioned

there were many ways people participated in the dominant structure while still being queer by our standards

like you said, norms evolved

[ancient meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-hes-right-you-know-hes-right-you-know-meme-gif-27526609

[rain mango]

romance???

[ancient meteor]

even the concepts we have of "gay" and "straight" are modern concepts

[rain mango]

gay used to be jolly

[stiff geyser]

Idk, I think I'm not morally perfect. I look back at history and see that a lot of things that today are bad were good back then and the other way around. Makes me think that moral isn't something fixed and it just depends on each society. I try to really be as good as I can, but wtf even is being good

[mellow birch]

yes

[toxic relic]

considering the first modern gay rights activist in the west was karl ulrichs in 1867 it stands to reason people even in the modern era knew what homophobia was

[onyx igloo]

romance enjoyers when i tell them it contains the word roman (i dont know what the fuck im talking about)

[toxic relic]

also anti-gay ideas as well as their deconstructions were around way before

i genuinely dont know why you're still defending a false belief

[rain mango]

gay used to mean jolly then gay (derogatory) became an illness, than gay(sexual) became a lifestyle

[toxic relic]

we're trying to change the topic

[rain mango]

boomeroids believe that being gay didnt exist until 1990

or something

[unreal bane]

Alright what's all this then.

[shadow kite]

are you gay, tho

that is my question

[rain mango]

only sexxxually

[ancient meteor]

hai Hana

[stiff geyser]

We all are

[ancient meteor]

we're just fntasizing about a world in which gay people are real

[stiff geyser]

Ragebaiting

[uncut epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-old-man-hi-bye-gif-8390063

[rain mango]

im straight no cap otherwise slime

[unreal bane]

None of you are real. We're on a Discord server.

[rain mango]

mrrp

[onyx igloo]

in this world gay people are a myth like bigfoot

[stiff geyser]

Why did this whole thing start?

[onyx igloo]

no wait bigfoots real

[toxic relic]

dudes backpeddling now

discordia

[onyx igloo]

which one of us is backpedaling

[candid patio]

why did i think french cops don't carry guns?

[toxic relic]

intouchables is a great movie we should rewatch

[rain mango]

the french

[toxic relic]

your dad

[stiff geyser]

Oh right I said reading Neil Gaiman made me uncomfortable but reading Lovecraft didn't because of societal context

[onyx igloo]

hes not even in this conversation

though

[unreal bane]

I don't know. Every time I look into degen_chat it's always either sexuality, politics, or a fringe topic of some sort people are baiting each other into indulging.

[rain mango]

yooo

[stiff geyser]

You know what... I'll read more philosophy books and come back later

[unreal bane]

[rain mango]

people back then: nuke bulgaria
people today: nuke bulgaria

follow for more funny memes😂😂😂😂😂

[ancient meteor]

gah!

[toxic relic]

bruh

why is bulgaria being mentioned

[ancient meteor]

gets terrified and goes back to the pz-chats

[toxic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-bulgaria-scream-if-you-scream-if-scream-scream-bulgaria-gif-17302763914499349828

[shadow kite]

would you rather have 1 bulgaria

[stiff geyser]

I don't even know where Bulgaria is

[toxic relic]

you seem generally uninformed

[rain mango]

music addons is not real

1993 did not have miley cyrus

[mellow birch]

watch some documentaries on queer history too while you’re at it

[onyx igloo]

anyways guys its really hard to fit taxi stuff on a PZ car

[unreal bane]

There are people out there who are still convinced that 'Singapore' is just the name of a drink.

[stiff geyser]

I can't point all countries on a map. Is that a crime?

[onyx igloo]

this is the best i could come up with

[rain mango]

you will soom fing out paris is burning

[mellow birch]

yes

[lilac quarry]

it's the name of a drink?

[mellow birch]

you go to gulag

[lilac quarry]

play geoguesser

[toxic relic]

looks vaguely taxi

[mellow birch]

get reeducated backwards pigdog

[stiff geyser]

Like what?

[toxic relic]

wdym like what

[onyx igloo]

based off a 1980s NYC taxi, because its what a guy told me to make for Raven Creek

[stiff geyser]

I don't really know about gay queer history before stonewall

[toxic relic]

bros probably never even heard of larry kramer

[toxic relic]

holy shit

[rain mango]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-unleashed-werehog-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-transform-gif-27075962

[stiff geyser]

Before that I just go straight back to ancient Greece

Lmao

[rain mango]

i thought that said krispy kreme

[fallow hare]

95% of all people are people

[rain mango]

hermes be with u

[mellow birch]

I found one a while ago on youtube that I can’t remember what it was called, but it was about same sex relations in the medieval era

[rain mango]

5% are ai chat bots real

[unreal bane]

It's a gin cocktail.

[toxic relic]

bro probably sees the inverted pink triangle and has no idea what it means

[fallow hare]

5% of people are

[toxic relic]

fair enough

[stiff geyser]

Wasn't that one for gay prisoners at concentration camps?

...

[rain mango]

old smelly hairy men with receding hairlines bumping bellies with each other

[onyx igloo]

ive actually made taxis for each county in PZ

[rain mango]

dikes right

[toxic relic]

bro

what

[rain mango]

isnt that a slur??

[stiff geyser]

I guess I was thinking about queer history from the perspective of fighting for rights?

[rain mango]

im lgbtq fam

[toxic relic]

that doesnt mean you can use that

[unreal bane]

... somehow we're back on this again.

[stiff geyser]

Like, I know of stonewall, but nothing else in recent history

[rain mango]

if u think thats derogaroty isn ot on me

[onyx igloo]

okay i dont know what that word means im gonna delete it until somebody lets me know

[unreal bane]

[toxic relic]

its a slur for lesbians

[onyx igloo]

oh im sorry

[unreal bane]

Well just behave yourselves....

[onyx igloo]

i was unaware

[rain mango]

lesbians use it wtf

[toxic relic]

whats another good french movie

[stiff geyser]

I won't

[rain mango]

get in touch farts

[toxic relic]

mate

[stiff geyser]

You can't use good and fr*nch in the same sentence

[shadow kite]

heads up: I've been told off for that before, so.

[toxic relic]

yeah

even if you are gay you cant use slurs like that in public

[rain mango]

shouldnt say slurs at all no matter who you are

[toxic relic]

people dont know you

[rain mango]

its ot a slur nor intended as slur

not on me

[toxic relic]

doesnt matter dude

[rain mango]

lol

[mellow birch]

well if you say it expect to be taken that way. Time and place for everything yk…

[stiff geyser]

For once I'm not the most morally questionable

[mellow birch]

if you’re with a bunch of other lgbtq people and you’re using that language between one another that’s one thing

[rain mango]

chat isnt that caught up i guess

[toxic relic]

you're trying to say that we arent in the know

[mellow birch]

but just dropping a slur in a public discord isn’t it

[rain mango]

half of the server is 40yos gays

[toxic relic]

even though youre the one whos socially unaware

[rain mango]

trying? it is implied

you should only ever feel fine saying that around your friends

but even then its still just a really shitty thing to do no matter what

so probably dont?

[onyx igloo]

im always worried i might accidently say a slur because i generally dont know very many

[rain mango]

but im not your mom

[onyx igloo]

lmao

[rain mango]

like ive been using it the entire day

i cant tell you what to so

do

[shadow kite]

why

[toxic relic]

ok?

[toxic relic]

yo peak

[onyx igloo]

is this how i should stock my kitchen

[shadow kite]

what's wrong with term reclamation

[rain mango]

for context: lesbians are ok, the hated "slur" is not a slur, and is also not a banned word

[toxic relic]

it is a slur dude

and reclamation is fine but this isnt that

[stiff geyser]

I've been one week sober please delete this uwu

[toxic relic]

seems the internet is being odd today

[unreal bane]

Okay, just don't use it here. Simple.

Nobody knows who you are and it's still considered offensive to the general public.

Much like the N-word is blanket banned around here regardless of who you are.

[rain mango]

were gonna bounce on that term being a slur all night

[rain mango]

ehh maybe it'd be better if those terms didnt exist at all

better bounce on deez

[unreal bane]

It's a public forum.

[mellow birch]

shrimple as that

[rain mango]

point to where its been used more than once

[shadow kite]

that is actually a good point.

[stiff geyser]

I'm a cool dude I just suck at explaining my ideas

[toxic relic]

nah

[rain mango]

google reclamation

[toxic relic]

dude

[stiff geyser]

Also English isn't my first language. If I say anything wrong, it was because of language barrier

[onyx igloo]

i see i have two watches

one is under the other

[rain mango]

if the "slur" gets u riled up, go find why it isnt being used as a slur anymore

[onyx igloo]

i will tell ALL THE TIME

[tender igloo]

I got two phones

[unreal bane]

Did I accuse you of using it over and over again? I'm pointing it out, saying yeah we shouldn't, and moving on from there.

[toxic relic]

yo looks like a casio

[tender igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/good-night-gif-2030152775311029167

[onyx igloo]

I LOVE CASIO WATCHES I LOVE DIGITAL CLOCKS

[shadow kite]

ChatGPT, how do I cook my food

[onyx igloo]

THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE STRANGE NOW I REALIZE

BUT YOU GUYS GET THE POINT

[stiff geyser]

Smart watches were a step back for society

[toxic relic]

casio is peak

[unreal bane]

Blackberries were something else...

[rain mango]

caseoh?

[onyx igloo]

i love the casios that tell you the ambient temp outside

[toxic relic]

i like the ones with the calculator

[onyx igloo]

and the day

[stiff geyser]

I love my digital watches with batteries that last for years

[onyx igloo]

the lil buttons

[rain mango]

i like caseoh watches

[stiff geyser]

And submersible too

[rain mango]

love ya

[onyx igloo]

i used to pronouce casio as case-io

[stiff geyser]

I love not having to worry at all while wearing a watch

[unreal bane]

I'm still having trouble coming to terms with the fact that they existed at some point in my life.

[onyx igloo]

for some reason

[polar kernel]

family guy death pose ahh

[rain mango]

https://tenor.com/view/caseoh-caseoh-games-caseohgames-dancing-vibing-gif-9007251982764233954

[stable oar]

case-oh

[rain mango]

i love this man

[stiff geyser]

Smartphones were also a step back for society

[rain mango]

what

[unreal bane]

Pups no you probably owned a Blackberry at one point...!

[onyx igloo]

i get the smart watches but smartphones?

[rain mango]

wish people didnt joke so hard at his expense

they literally were a step forward

[onyx igloo]

i do love the creativity of old phones though

[rain mango]

i dont get the fat jokes

[stiff geyser]

I hate social media

[rain mango]

he doesnt even look fat dude

right?

[stiff geyser]

UwU

[rain mango]

he looks like a big man

[polar kernel]

[rain mango]

sure a bit of fat would be there like any normal guy

[candid patio]

lol want me to stream it?

[rain mango]

but he kinda has the build of heavy from tf2

[onyx igloo]

i used to get called fat all the time by one asshole

[rain mango]

imo

[shadow kite]

are you a furry

[rain mango]

the dude is just tall and wide

[onyx igloo]

i was only 160 pounds

170 at worst

[polar kernel]

never been called fat in my life

[toxic relic]

nah im not in my house lol, i dont wanna use data like that

[unreal bane]

Petition to ban the words 'skibidi, Ohio, rizz'.

[stiff geyser]

No, why?

[toxic relic]

would be peak

[rain mango]

6 7 votes

[shadow kite]

huh?

[onyx igloo]

gimme one

[rain mango]

^^

[onyx igloo]

i want one

[stiff geyser]

Saying those words in 2026 makes you look old ngl

[onyx igloo]

and 67

please

[polar kernel]

i used a casio for a while theyre reliable

[rain mango]

those are the number of votes man

[stiff geyser]

People haven't been saying skibidi for a while now

[polar kernel]

military loves casios

[rain mango]

signatures

[toxic relic]

its the back to the future watch : CA-500WEBF-1A

[unreal bane]

2025 was 10 days ago, boomer.

[onyx igloo]

i like the model from abiotic factor

[stiff geyser]

Still they weren't used for a good chunk of 2025

[onyx igloo]

its a little different

[toxic relic]

hahah

[uncut epoch]

fun fact: we’re closer to 2050 now than we are to 2000

[unreal bane]

So what's considered the new thing in 2026?

[onyx igloo]

whats the model from abiotic factor, i cant remember the name

[half condor]

Does anyone know how to bind my side mouse buttons? When I try, it acts like it won't work.. I downloaded the "Bind-Aid" mod, but not sure how to use it really..

[shrewd smelt]

No, you can't do this to me.

[toxic relic]

im trying to get it rn bro one sec

yeah idk

[unreal bane]

If you're using one of those fancy gaming mice that have their own drivers/apps like Synapse, bind the side buttons to a lesser-used input.

Then change the keybindings to that instead. Worked fantastic for me.

[rain mango]

im a lil kity

meowmrowmeow

[unreal bane]

Otherwise, check your current driver. Had no problems binding Mouse4/5 even without whatever mod that is.

[stiff geyser]

67 is still quite fresh, but no new thing was born in 2026 yet

[unreal bane]

Ugh.

[uncut epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[rain mango]

god i love contrapoints so much

[shrewd smelt]

I think the first new meme was the "Trax incident" though

[rain mango]

most memes of 2025 confused me

i think most of them originated from instagram or tiktok

which i don't use

at all

[shadow kite]

would you rather 6 if it meant 7

[rain mango]

You aren't funny.

[split veldt]

Has anyone thought of combining mass multiplayer (like the game foxhole) with modded project zomboid?

[stiff geyser]

Haven't heard of it... Tbf, I haven't been really active on social media lately

[shadow kite]

thank you. I appreciate your support.

[rain mango]

i cut off on shorts/reels

no idea whats the weeks funny

idk how ill find alpha wolf and aura memes to send to my friends

[shrewd smelt]

I'm not on social media but I get Youtube recommendations about social media drama. Genius ain't it?

[rain mango]

but theres a time in mans life where he must choose the wolf outside them instead of the 2 wolf within

i think my new favorite things as of right now are half sword and madness combat

[split veldt]

bruh

[rain mango]

with my newest hobby being drawing

[onyx igloo]

https://youtu.be/f3BfLYWDnbs

[rain mango]

@unreal bane sorry i got defensive, thanks for the toughtfulness

[ivory grail]

Aswell as being small

Alright i take my leave now

[stiff geyser]

That's good

[twin bear]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-skull-car-smoking-skullmobile-gif-7906267633467697239

nothing good comes from social media 90% of the time

[stiff geyser]

I'm trying to cut off some time on discord too, but it's not as unhealthy as doomsrolling

[rain mango]

i have no lungs and must smoke

[rain mango]

kind of

what sets it apart is that it is chat first

not doomscrolling

[stiff geyser]

Still is time online

[shadow kite]

would you rather have infinite internet but no tv or inf

wait, no

considering how modern tv is, it might be better off just without.

[rain mango]

would you consider reading a pdf or writing on word online time?

[stiff geyser]

Not really

But on a public server it is easy to lose track of time because of the constant flow of people

[rain mango]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-smile-nod-nodding-ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-gif-39125060506973541

[rain mango]

true af

[stiff geyser]

In private servers I don't find myself talking for hours

It's just like some way of texting in the end

[rain mango]

idk whats a private server tbh

never been in one

[stiff geyser]

Just a server with friends

Not something like this one, with thousands of people

[rain mango]

what a cool secluded microcosm of the vast must it be

[shadow kite]

hello. I have come to induce hunger on you all.

[rain mango]

https://tenor.com/view/adele-hello-blinking-gif-15632412

[stiff geyser]

Peak pizza

I put pickles on pizza

:3

[stiff geyser]

So peak

I don't even know if I'm eating tonight lol

Probably not

[toxic relic]

are you british

or do you have the stomach of a child

[shadow kite]

thank you metabolism for letting me eat all this without falling into dangerous weight gain territory.

[stiff geyser]

I'm unemployed

[rain mango]

how old are you

[shadow kite]

21

[rain mango]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-whuh-cat-huh-kitten-whuh-kitten-side-eye-cat-side-eye-gif-15153715894785353453

[shadow kite]

what

[rain mango]

im not old enough to lecture you on weight over time

cause i still lose weight relatively easily

but breaking away from fatty diet is

something

[tender igloo]

but planetarium fries

[candid phoenix]

You know what is one of the system I would kill to see in pz? Complex electricity system, imagine being able to assemble from 0 transformers, electrical installations

Damnnn

[tender igloo]

STOP CHANGING THE NAME lol

[rain mango]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-revenge-tasty-johnnyduck-gif-18410951520284892563

🫶 👍

[tender igloo]

wait wher did i post that

[rain mango]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-fosh-drinks-bonk-tf2-gif-22168967

[rain mango]

were not beating the allegation pprs

[tender igloo]

lol of what

[smoky dome]

What channel would be a good place to ask questions about server management?

[rain mango]

we get too silly

[stiff geyser]

I mean... Would be a bit too much?

[radiant lake]

awawa

[candid phoenix]

I mean...

Just imagine that

[rain mango]

depending on the question, you can probably contact mods directly

[stiff geyser]

Crafting stuff like that from scratch sounds too much, but I'd love more complex electricity

[candid phoenix]

Having to fix electrical problems

[rain mango]

oh

[stiff geyser]

Maybe finding a way to power an entire town with a single power source instead of relying on portable generators forever

[rain mango]

no

[candid phoenix]

Like changing a simple switch or more complex like

[rain mango]

lol i read wrong

[candid phoenix]

A complete electricboard

[smoky dome]

Lol all good. I meant PZ server management

[candid phoenix]

Fixing the power generators

Also I would love to see a metro funcional system like

[stiff geyser]

But would you reall like to have that little annoying things in the game? I agree that electrical stuff is boring rn, but making it very complicated and realistic is not the answer. A lightswitch breaking would be too annoying

[rain mango]

i havent seen a single chat directed towards this, there are some users that deal with servers, but theyre not very vocal

[stiff geyser]

LV doesn't have a metro system 😔

[candid phoenix]

[smoky dome]

I’m both dumb and vocal, because I have an issue that I just can’t seem to figure out lol

[candid phoenix]

Wich another thinking I would love to see in pz hmmm

[rain mango]

have you tried #pz_b42_chat

[smoky dome]

Not yet. Wanted to see if there was any specific channel I should try for best bet

[rain mango]

there are people playing mp there rn

[smoky dome]

Sick. I’ll try. Thanks!

[candid phoenix]

Being able to get on the back of trucks and shoot from there in motion, or being able to drag my friends on the ground if they get hurt, that leads me to if you're wounded in the legs you have to crawl

[stiff geyser]

Oh you an electrician irl? Lmao I get it now

[candid phoenix]

Yes

I m also

Aerial mechanic's assistant

I work with airplanes

[stiff geyser]

YES. Getting on the back of trucks would be amazing fr

[candid phoenix]

I m a eri

Electrical repair intelligence

[stiff geyser]

We should also able to sit on top of other people while on a car like irl lol

[candid phoenix]

Mmm imagine driving a plane

[stiff geyser]

Making us uncomfortable and more prone to damage on a crash, of course

[candid phoenix]

In pz

[stiff geyser]

But not being able to move a group of five people in a single car is kinda dumb

[stiff geyser]

Would be too weird with the isometric perspective

You couldn't see buildings in front of you till its too late

I could see helicopters being a thing in PZ tho

[candid phoenix]

There is a mod

About that

Also

[candid phoenix]

Talking about electricity, it is something that would kill if that ability were given more realism

On da game

Imagine randomly a radio stop working and U have to fix it in a workbench

[stiff geyser]

Maybe

I thinkg it would be annoying on single player worlds

But I'd love to see something like that in long term servers

I really want to see servers that go on for years and develop huge settlements with trade and all that

[candid phoenix]

It's not common for a radio to blow up anyway, rough use and heat causes components to go wrong

Mmm trains

I would love to see a funcional train station

[stiff geyser]

Maybe in the future

With the B42 map update, the traintracks go on a loop around the map

I think only one goes outside of the map

[thin wedge]

i need the polish update so badly

kurwa mac

[candid phoenix]

[thin wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/bober-beaver-kurwa-kurva-gif-2036759300866778139

[onyx igloo]

guys i have a proper table for my phone now

no longer chair

[thin wedge]

is it the pizza table

[candid phoenix]

I just see there is ppl making pz ports to android

[thin wedge]

its the mfin pizza table isn't it

[candid phoenix]

We got pz on mobile before gta 6

[onyx igloo]

no its the table phone

[candid phoenix]

🙏

[rain mango]

that cat is me

[candid phoenix]

You know

My dad don't wanna play pz cuz the graphics

He is losing peak

[thin wedge]

unbased dad

[stiff geyser]

At least your dad is interested in games I think

[candid phoenix]

He play warframe

[stiff geyser]

My dad never cared about games

[candid phoenix]

Is the same level of autism that me

[stiff geyser]

He just rots in front of a TV watching slop smh

[thin wedge]

i think i know why

[candid phoenix]

Old core dad

[stiff geyser]

Based, I play too

[thin wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-succubus-warframe-succubus-warframe-succubus-skin-warframe-walking-gif-5579117797868879037

[candid phoenix]

ZAMN

[stiff geyser]

I'm trying to stop playing tho... Too many hours

[rain mango]

https://tenor.com/view/jermichael-no-urn-spray-bottle-spray-gif-13258723

[candid phoenix]

How much

[stiff geyser]

Over 2600 hours lmao

[thin wedge]

bros freaky for vanguard skins

[candid phoenix]

Wanna see how many hours I have in my second favorite game?

I can't send picks here uhh

[stiff geyser]

Plunger moment

[candid phoenix]

Can someone enter in my steam profile? It's on my discord think

[thin wedge]

time to report it

https://tenor.com/view/steam-scam-scammer-discord-gif-8733007418264316970

[stiff geyser]

My most played game is warframe wioth 2600 hours. Second most played is Zuma Deluxe (shared PC) with over 500 hours lol

[candid phoenix]

Peak gaming

[thin wedge]

league player

reported

[candid phoenix]

I m movil

OHNO

[rain mango]

dia rank?

[stiff geyser]

Dude how can you play both Warframe and LOL

[thin wedge]

i hope the pz team kills

[stiff geyser]

Love yourself a bit

[candid phoenix]

My gf give me the love I don't have

[rain mango]

oof

[stiff geyser]

Wish I had one of those

[candid phoenix]

I also play for honor

I don't love myself that game it's hell on earth

[stiff geyser]

I've been ghosted for over two weeks. Is it over, chat?

[rain mango]

were smoochin rn

[candid phoenix]

Get a bpd girl

[stiff geyser]

Dear lord never

I've been there already, kinda

[candid phoenix]

I'm a magnet for crazy girls

[tender igloo]

youre a teemo player huh

[stiff geyser]

I won't date mentally unwell people ever again

[candid phoenix]

I m a aphelios main

5weapons1fist my ID if u wanna check

[tender igloo]

i have no idea who that is lol, i havent played since like 2014

[stiff geyser]

What's your warframe main tho?

[candid phoenix]

Sevagoth

Volt

Yareli

[rain mango]

dont glorify mental disorders

[stiff geyser]

I'm a vauban enjoyer

[rain mango]

been there done that

its not cute it fucking sucks

[toxic relic]

i did the first time you entered here

[stiff geyser]

We all have

[stiff geyser]

Stalker

[rain mango]

it sucks waking up not knowing if you'll be a total bitch today

[candid phoenix]

What u seee

[rain mango]

or if you'll be a sweetheart

[toxic relic]

you negatively reviewed fallout 3 but gave a furry video game and a game called "lacys wardrobe" a thumbs up

[rain mango]

LMAO

[stiff geyser]

Fallout 3 sucks

[rain mango]

can this be pinned

[candid phoenix]

Try to play fallout 3 in my pc

[stiff geyser]

I love it, but it sucks

[candid phoenix]

It's imposible

I get a Xbox 360

To play it

[stiff geyser]

Skill issue ngl

[candid phoenix]

I love fallout saga

[toxic relic]

yeah i read your review

[candid phoenix]

But I hate betesda

Wani it's peak

Trust me brother

[toxic relic]

you've also played at least 68.7 hours of overwatch 2

[candid phoenix]

I m shame

I have more on ps4