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should help a bit with joining and stability @pale berry
we can try nvmp sometime after
ill have to set it up again from scratch but sure
eh nvm
also i gotta relaunch tried to generate navmesh on big city lmapo
is there not one already
yooo i got a ghost wipe
not for drg base npcs ig
trange
I once again am coming to you in fear of humanoid robots owned and operated by evil billionaires
Please teach me how to fight humanoid robots
How do I make an emf pulse gun?
why does this server have no bronies
They all play KTaNE
it is on
Bronies fell out of fashion after the rise of more widespread furrism
some bugs ngl
mb i was playing sp
pluh
25.8 MORE GB??
i swear to fucking god bro
dude what
nice
they will never have enough control
also try gzeus its peak
alr @pale berry add that
@pale berry i swear i had you friended
gmod crashedcx
ah ok
was stuck at lua download lol
@burnt kite sean found out abt the pack size
I just purchased a hoodie but it says on the website delivery when finished production march 2026?
or am i just a bit thick
and itll be the 15-30 days
either way excited to get it
looks amazing
"Traveler 3468, you are off mission" 🗣️ 🗣️
@livid notch i count it, gamùe didn't
First ever HD elden ring clip btw @quasi slate
Cool gun
we got hoodie... after gta 6?
the zomboid hoodie is real
@pale berry tilting hard rn
I guess so
Either way im happy to put proceeds towards charity and get a sick hoodie out of it
Had pz for a good 5-6 years now
after 1150 hours of gameplay its about time i get a bit of merch
lmao
same
@onyx igloo we can try ur server
oh dudde
oh ok
we should do dark rp trolling too
shii
that vid u sent gave me an idea
still need to get the eating bouncy balls achievment
just remembered
way to go
oh lol
joining @onyx igloo
aight
joining rn slime
uncontacted tribe of khaby lame mechanisms
spongcurse
@twin bear this is the most basic ak build i have built, and it looks so good
actually wish more nextbots destroyed maps @onyx igloo
apart from the foregrip
also thanks for the map been looking for a phys map
np
New valve vr headset that can run vr games and pc games you know what that means??
Project zomboid played on a headset 🗿
Have y'all seen the video yet? Its actually cool
ITS HAPPENING STAY CALM
me too
Proof that no one TRULY cares about AI takeovers:
arc raiders.
4 million in sales in 14 days.
Made by Nexon. Which is an issue of it’s own.
WAAAAAY more AI used to make the game than the CEO publicly admits to. Total dev team size was 50 people. 20 are “support staff”. Under 20 are actual code writers. Most are just designers and graphic artist.
Upwards of 50% of the game is wholly created by AI and Nexom is tracking and storing 100% of player comments, chats, and voice to texting in game to further train the game AI.
You can data mine the code and see comments left by humans and the AI showing that TONS of code was written by AI prompt.
Visuals are NOT a.i., but majority of the game code and almost all voice acting is.
No one cares.
Gaming is cooked
Yes half life three will hopefully be as peak as this
god i forgot anno 1800 made me install an ubishit app...
Ubisoft is always tryna find ways on ppls systems
sneaky annoying bastards
what
🐴

what phrase describes your life the best
Skibidi
I am home ask me about my day
an optimistic pessimist, is that a thing?
like you're a pessimist as you expect to lose or fail at something, but don't get down as you can always try to salvage something from it
Indeed
I've never watched bojack
But I have seen lots of ads for it beforr
back in the 90s i was in a very famous tv show
I represent sad white guy
Should i turn vegan
idk should u
Vsauce here
hello
hellooooooooooo
shall we play ???????
My butt died
turn into a vegetable
thanks puppers
I'm not growing a garden...

man this party stinks
did you see the puffpals drama
fluffnest
got rugpulled
Grok build me a wow api
Nexon...
how didnt i notice even that
probably because i didnt care for arc raiders but either way
is embark studios owned by nexon?
Had no idea arc raiders used ai lol
apparently yes
but also the same people who made the finals
🤔
Finals hype was crazy
strange, would not expect such a steep drop in quality
The ai does the system and then the dev gets lazy to tinker with it
real brother real
i have another one: the sopranos is also peak
yo wait so is the godfather part 1 and 2
Mid
hahah real
Real doozie
directed by martin scorsese
he's a great director
🤓 which im sure youve heard before
i legit do think he's a fucking great director
casino so good
goodfellas so good
its true him and others are "overhyped" and likely one of the few directors people can actually name
but he's good
raging bull? king of comedy? color of money? peak
i wish I was born a girl
its like saying akira kurosawa is a good director
Gender affirming care 
this implies there a nongender denying field

Aka tuesday
Suck deez fallas
fall on deez
Nuts
it’s like a russian roullette
country too jomophobic trnaspohbic so if I don’t pass I might be killed or spanked or never loved
you're very adamant on affecting me but i gotta tell you man its in vain
jomophobic 
Deez joke funny wdym
I hope u find love
real
And support
who's jomo
cinema
awokening

oh ur addicted to buying games?
lemme indulge u
get me game!!!

but no game
u dont WANT to play repo
zozo is addicted to recieving games
Fort. Night
@jade pulsar frick you
is this, that lighthouse movie?
what i do bruh
im angry at you kendricklamar
Plunger drama
The bots are talking
The voices come once again

Sigh
yogourt: Ayo whats up bro 😂 🫱
just had a nostalgia bomb
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Joe a drake fan
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me no gone be fraidy de gnomes
Please pick up your tongue off the floor it unsanitary
there was a movie about this forgot the name
surviving mars relaunched
I had the first one. I got the new one since a graphic upgrade, they added laws and factions, and planning on adding two more dlc
I don't like doing that but the old devs took control again I believe and they also give people who own the first one a 50% off. it feel like preordering two dlcs
kinda less scummy than other companies
here my place at the moment
we just cured a deadly plague that was killing 90% of the human race so I went full on tech dev to try to make the cure so my people aren't living the best
same it did kinda die out
they also reworked the dlcs that people hated
seem pretty well at the moment with minor bugs(games lags like hell when trying to build pipes or wires)
but it been out only for about 2 days now
moopy stop
Bluntpyrite
gold cant rust
Nerd
No, I watch nylered
Thats what a nerd would say
YouTube music just made me take a picture of my face to listen to Nirvana lmao
Uk
Southern US
I guess they're passing those laws here too
Ketchup or mustard ahh
Erm i mean reverse it
Dam can't even reference spong movie properly
Should have put dr breens gmod photo
Fake fan
Turns out source characters work on facial detection
I just frowned at the camera and I passed as 30 (instead of 20)
...Idk how to take that
I haven't needed to do anything face scan wise yet
This is the first time I've had to do it
It's spreading
Any character with good face poses can pass
Next thing yk it wants our baby pictures
My favorite one is watchdogs
It was also kinda dark since I was outside and lit up by street lights, I was trying to spot the Aurora Borealis since I missed it last night and apparently it might come back down to Alabama tonight
Nothing yet besides maybe a slightly different color in the sky glowing a bit, but that could easily be something else
Since watchogs 2 has a pretty good photo taking system
It was in Mobile last night apparently
Glowing bright pink and purple
I saw these pics of it
many us states are implementing age restrictions
Ayo crimson is spreading
i know its too late but medicine, i recommend youtube music desktop
Why wouldn't they?
I already passed the test so I should be fine from here on out
it just removes the proprietary restrictions of youtube music
Free user data for corpos ia free user data for corpos
smile
Who would pass on that
oney
or use revanced
I wish I'd just shown it a gmod character or something instead but I was outside touching grass and just trying to play a little music for a second lmao
hai medicine fren
Ello
fair lmao
Wanted to only have decent yt mobile
Trying to spot the Aurora Borealis, supposedly it might come back to Alabama tonight
woahs thas cool :3
ended up cracking most of my apps
I see a little bit of a different color glowing in the sky but I'm in town rn so it could very well just be lights in the distance
thats the placebo effect for ya
Also there's like 10 police sirens in the distance. What the fuck is happening
the silly
Never witness anything but a meteor shower and a few "shooting stars"
Wish i could see smth like that
the only shooting stars i have seen was in cuba and up north
Crimson is spreading
Kinda sad most ppl will never see what it looked like before the light pollution
Haven't seen it before either, I've only caught a little glimpse of an eclipse one time
U let the basement family go?
im finally blowing off dust in my steam library and downloading stalker games
Alabama doesn't really have much in terms of cool stuff you can see lol
nu im nice i dont kidnap
Oh yeah, that reminds me I should continue SoC
Smh never played stalker
But played dayz
We committed funny in gmod earlier
Almost had 4 on at once but it never lasts long with squirrel ahh attention spans
Just recently ||turned off the brain scorcher||
I was playing some religious music from Iraq the whole tome
iraqi music is peak
based
especially 70s/80s
I actually enjoy the 70s stations
real
They go hard while I'm driving
@toxic relic fun fact, the only religious book i have fully read was the Qa'ran
I was working on a store with an old guy who plays chess and listens to it
why the fuck did you ping me
yes
im right here bro
im not mad
oh
i have notifs off

just seems like a waste
gr
i have notifs off as hard as possible and i still get that stupid red bubble
ping deez
erhm, custom client 🤓
I just turn off notifs for specific discords that have a lot of random pings
i have notifs off for everything that isn’t a DM from someone i give a shit about
discord just isn’t worth a lot of time
I rarely get pinged apart from server announcements so it's usually just off
stink why is ur name in comic sans
Bro wut am i looking at
the dude who doesn’t care the most has been here for 3 less years than me but has veteran role 🤣
am super duper new
so true brother
is this vore
i hate this server 🗣️
why
billions must smile
Gassy-Man
Spider chungus
you sure you're not just too close to an anomaly?
its humming in the distance
its more ambience than anything
my cat stuck an empty bottle to her face
Did... Did I just hear someone scream-
Either screaming or tires screeching, also heard a super loud engine
is that one of the great fairies from legend of zelda ocarina of time but instead wearing a skeleton suit?
Im a mega weeb, you see
You cant hide from the truth
artifect and also its swamps
dam
this mod lowkey fire
anyone know why i cant craft a sling bag from curtains?
@toxic willow
@icy vigil
ZELDA MENTIONED
coughs in name in credits for at least one zelda game
Who is zelda
Link marrying Malon is one of my fav head canons
Remember buying second hand switch to play zelda
Then turns out switch games are very expensive and dont have regional prices
So I sold it for the same price after 67-something ish% of completion
As a former employee I know the secret to game share switch games!
Not super secret, but they also dont openly tell people.
I got 30+ friends who all play MY copy of mario kart
Slightly 5 years late
Yeah sorry fren!
My Nintendo library is somewhere around 3,000 games? Everything released from 1993 ish to 2023 ish
My Nintendo library is Rhytm heaven on ds emulator
My anomaly game is fps dropping a lot, especially in pripyat, you think it's modded exes fault or smth? My other mods aren't that demanding either
But I also owned SNES classic
I hate Nintendo….. and shall till I’m dead
There’s a $50 emulator on amazon that has every single NES and SNES. Gamecube and switch 1 game!
I too have reached that point. I left over ethical choices
Gimme gimme gimme steam stuff I say now and also Xbox stuff, not PlayStation stuff cause those consoles run like crabby jet engines
It was also sold and the buyer called me "Tasteless gamer"
But you can spend $500 on an playstation to get +30 FPS!
Eat my dust Sony, I hate that company
I don’t care the price for the next Xbox cause I will buy it
Unfortunately, Microsoft is completely defunding Xbox. It will not exist after 2026.
Womp womp
Why would bill microsoft do this
Most insiders are predicting that the only gaming companies left around 2028 will be Nintendo and steam
Steam then….. or whatever they are calling that small box
Just like in politics
Steam is king. Ruler of all
I mean… Twitch is also likely to be shut down. It never turned a profit.
And Amazon has defended their entire video game department.
By all accounts, Twitch serves zero point because it produces zero profits
Why u don’t like steam
How could this happen 
Its lesser evil
steam is not saint from doing corpo stuff
Yep, and yet the owner is so humble since steam is a private company
Mmmyes, humble csgo skin gambling
Like profiting off of gambling
Did you see the news they came out last month from Amazon?
Steam literally did nothing and came out the winner
Thats not accessible to kids at all
I know that but they don’t go crab crazy over some bullcrap point pointless lawsuits, since Nintendo hates competition of there games
And also having very strict and obnoxious region locks
Look up the gambling epidemic on YouTube. It’s 1 million times worse than anything you can imagine steam may be guilty of.
The NBA and NFL are rigging games directly because of sports betting. Literally. The FBI rated a couple players homes and caught players counting millions of dollars in money they made off of doing stuff like faking a sports injury.
Yeah I know
Yeah, it’s bad.
It’s a reason why I’m morally object to something like Roblox and anyone who plays it. I want nothing to do with as a person.
Me neither
They made over $1 billion in a single month all from 11 and 12-year-old kids
Steam, has more light, then most company’s do, cause nowadays it’s just cash cash cash, Xbox PlayStation and trash can Nintendo
Why would you want to go on a platform that is predatory to creators and users
Aka anything but steam and gog
Gog?
GoG
we need more gabens
You know how I’ve said a few times in this chat that people are dum? This is one of the reasons why I say it.
I worked fraud departments for all three major video game companies. I’ve seen cases worth millions of dollars come across my desk.
People are dum
The news lies so why would it know about it
I actually like GOG. Personally, I think they should partner with steam keep old game, libraries, and servers active for games that no longer have support.
Epic games can eat me if they want their malware on my pc
Yep………. Scammers so annoying, almost lost my steam account to one,
pripyat
all i can say rly haha
They truly are
kids will be gambling on my skins one day trust
I don't remember my vanila run lagging so much there
anomaly kinda doodo with mid level pcs tbh
Im grateful that Steam is coming on top of Epic in game stores war
As well as Itch
It’s more than that. There’s a lot of cooperation.
If you know anybody that works any kind of finance it’s something like a bank ask them and they will confirm that around 80% of fraud is never challenged or reported
That means when 12-year-olds spend about $5.8 billion on v-bucks? That’s just 20% that got reported.
runs poorly in that area always for me anyway
I always forget that itch is a thing
My grandparent works at a bank they know, (also dumb paranoia)
For me its gog, steam, Ewshit store and Itch
this modern age has given me a feeling of anxiety never felt before
I mean, ultimately it’s just a number. Obviously you’re going to report fraud if someone takes $1000 from you. But if somebody takes 999? You let it slide.
I mean, ultimately it’s just a number. Obviously you’re going to report fraud if someone takes $1000 from you. But if somebody takes 999? You let it slide.
unrestricted access to internet kind of sped up how fast and much ppl and absorb
or is it just maturing and realizing alot of things i didnt see
There’s a reason why things inside of stores cost $9.99. Because that is the exact dollar amount that is the least reported of all fraud on the planet.
growing up for me has been make mistake and regret mistake until u forget
when do i forget
i thought it was just to piss me off
Oh and since I have almost lost my steam and discord accounts I’ve enabled every security thing on everything
Well, it serves multiple purposes. It’s a way that they can say something is cheaper than $10. And because people are just meat puppets, they think that’s cheap. But when you work for fraud and especially if you work with the federal government for a while, you learn that companies do that deliberately because they know people will commit fraud and they don’t care.
All things are an odd number, never mind even, more like 21.99 or something
I’ve never worked directly with the FBI, but I’ve worked with red star which is basically the federal government version of credit card fraud
I honestly think it goes all the way back to McDonald’s. Because they figured out the magic number between $.99 for a soda and then $1.99 and then 2.99. That’s just a theory I have though, because it’s marketing genius and it works because of how the human brain is wired.
I shut down a fortnight account for a famous Fortnite player. But I’m under a NDR. All I can vaguely state is that there was about $20,000 of credit card fraud used and their account was shut down and they had to start all over again.
uhh
But as long as you get away with it? Yeah it’s free. 80% of people get away with it.
haha idiot i think
Just like in the odds
imagine frauding on fortnite
People see 50% to win and expect a win at max in two tries
you couldnt do fraud on something cooler
I’m quite serious. Millions of dollars a fraud occur in Fortnite every single day.
It’s so bad that even the lowest level customer service agents that work for Nintendo spend at least half of their day just dealing with credit card refunds for Fortnite
Technically, I wouldn’t even say they’re Nintendo employees after that point they’re just working for epic games refunding money all day
I work at a grocery store, I know a sale is just to get someone to buy stuff, even if it is 1 buck off, like we still have a shelve of hallows eve cereal that didn’t sell to well, so ether it’ll sell or expire
I only did like 3 battle passes and dropped it and became a hater
indie game better
I worked in a store and can fact check it as true
Real

i look at art
And also u know what I get to if it don’t sell, I’ll probably be putting in in the back for foodbank, when it expires if it don’t sell, if I ever have to check the dates on those boxes
I had to ship it back to our distributor
Or pay fine for each one that expired and wasn't returned
atleast with survival games i feel like ive completed something if i build a base
i guess you can feel like you completed a round in an fps game but it just doesnt seem as rewarding
Demi Gorgon and wensday cereal not exactly the best seller
You're telling me
Got a end of that and the Wednesday ceral, both of em didn’t sell well
probably they taste like shit
And worst yet those cereals don’t expire till mid next year
sugary cereal is quite gross to me now
I might just buy one box to collect it
I have a box of Kelloggs Minecraft ceral from 2023 and from 2025 limited edition so I collected em
chocolate with orange is peak
Which cereal?
U don’t mean those gross oranges covered in chocolate right?
just wondering if there is free hosting server til now?
whuh?
i get a chocolate bar with orange peel in it
Who gave bro the mic
It can't be that bad
Wdym
No one I took it like a dickhead
Worse than getting shot in the head?
Oranges and chocolate are similar to Fish and Milk
orange and chocolate sucks balls
Fish milkshake
because i personally dislike it, its objectively bad
At least someone gets me
is it really that acquired of a taste
have you seen when they jork the penis fish to squirt the sperm out ?
fish milk
Orange is not that type of taste that mixes well with dark or milk chocolate
I never tried orange and chocolate so I don't know how bad it really is
its fucked actually
Ok uncle
Unfortunately, yes I have
real
Its.. gross.
Why would you watch fishes jerk
where they hold the dude over embryo
also jackass jorked dead salmon
i think it was a wildboyz episode
jackass the show
yessir
jesus christ
they jorked salmon jizz into their mouths
yessir
Ho lee shit
please tell me theres a law against that
i think so
i feel like people need to be beat with batons for such actions
it was wildboyz
Noone stops you from fishing and jerking off fish
the alaska season 1
There is a possibility that someone jerked fish before you caught it

i do legit think its fucked to do that
like bro
imagine if some big alien did that to you
out of no where
is that the succulent chinese meal guy
this line is also in the video
along with "well this man knows judo"
and it starts with "gentlemen, this is democracy manifest"
yeah i know but everyone would understand from that one sentence
where did that clip originate anyway
he rated food from the restaurant i always go to in auckland
aus news, he got arrested for fraud and dine and dash
lmao
then he got released and tracked down much later for a nz news video
about mt albert bbq noodle house
Guy Williams travels to Australia to track down legendary Australian Jack Karlson, the iconic star of the “Succulent Chinese Meal” and "Demcracy Manifest" video in this episode of New Zealand Today. Finally, we can answer the question: which is the best BBQ noodle house in Mt Albert… The Mt Albert BBQ noodle house or the Mt Albert BBQ Nood...
i had some really good chinese food a bit ago
its not bbq as in barbeque
bros gonna dream of that food
fair enough
what does authentic mean
a chinese grandma cooked it for me
i think that the grandma has the accuracy of the recipe down
seems legit
what does that mean
what does authentic mean bro

i gotta stop watching depressing movies
also doesnt hooters have shit food
idk
today it was wind river
im going to a restaurant cause im hungry
never bothered
street fighter peak
i aint looking at no damn waitress thats weird
Not a fan of the AI stuff, gameplay is still good
i dont wanna be watched by big booby women while i eat

Or waiter, kinda weird to stare at both
unfortunately he actually performs really well in this one 😭
yessir i remember
shit makes me so mad like
dude can act but still gets the corny roles
VIN DIESEL SHOWED HE CAN ACT IN SAVING PRIVATE RYAN
high freeman is gonna kill boykisser in a cctv film
also crazy who released this movie considering its plot
trust
but they cut his role short cause that was all the good acting he had left
isnt it the yellowstone guy
yellowstone
taylor sheridan or whatever
whinestein
Tf2 reference???
einstein more like whinestein
yea my fault pimp
nw bro
i remember the trailer scene
i wonder what other horrifically depressing movies i could muster
i watched this movie so long ago but i remember
the actual scene of what happens to the girl is a rough fucking watch

what a lovely family film
Everyone is for stopping ai from producing art but when the horses came from the mantle all I heard was silence.
la feu follet
its a movie about a man who wants to krill himself
manchester by the sea is a good one with that plot 😭
nothing crazy obscure
yeah
but if a movies good its good
casey affleck
im not braindead i can enjoy actual quality movies lol
Hello mates

im not some marvel slop zombie
Thats bad
but my opinion has changed
To what
Is this place still shit
to dis dih bro
Yes
huh
if you dig around in shit long enough youll find corn bro
im so tired i have not been sleeping this week
get bisquits and gravy!
biscuits and gravy
Ja
Tall geese
Yes
i know how to fix my sleep
How
Und
Join. The Helldivers!
No
forreal
Yes
when i was trying to put down like 3000 calories a day i had alarms for 2 am so i could eat more slop
pig (me) to the trough (my dark kitchen)
Y tho
Yes
Blobmaxing
was really desperate to gain weight
Yes
R u thin
and i had such a hard time staying well fed enough to make gains in the gym
No
Can Frogski give vets an ability to mute Plugers
Hes fat
dudes maintaining his macros
Would be pretty nice
still relatively thin yeah
Hause
Why
Rough
Im fat
i hit 170 last week
U wouldn't be able to use it
you reach a stage where eating is painful
Im60
Not yet
genuinely hate food
yoo same
i despise it
Yes
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What's life like from the grave

food sucks balls
caloriemaxxing led to a fucking eating disorder atp
Yes
Nuclear reactor
The heck just bulk normally
my girlfriend and i both got little bird stomachs now we basically just buy food for one person
eating is the worst part of my days
No
and share
No
Too expensive
bulking is pretty cheap if u do it right
All you need is maybe 300 cals over maintenance
thats the problem tho i was putting in 2500 a day and still losing or stagnating
so i upped to 3000 which was a shockingly agonizing jump
But youd have to dedicate your power in order to start bulking
why havent we removed the need to eat yet
Not happening
I intake about 3k atm
now since ive kinda evened out and im at least satisfied im only eating like 2k a day
i can shoot my turds into a colostomy bag but i cant replace my diet with steam power?
i dont need to be huge
bros twink build
real
Eligible to be a femboy and get money from thirsty twitter users
yea im good now
im on mastodon getting monthly payments from bears
Just make sure all shots are from the thighs down and to wear the most generic fucking shitty "fem" clothes imaginable
once my gf started squeezing my arms for fun again i knew we were so fucking back

The generic shit amazon dropshippers sell
i cant believe im still mourning halloween
you're only £130 bro you need to re-evaluate your worth
my favorite holiday... gone
I buy those dresses from local sellers like a chad
for america 🗣️
My worth is likely less than 130
halloween here was still peak
Unless you include organs
oh real
its over
its still halloween
i had a fucking great time
in december i get to dress up as a monster and scare spirits away
halloween as an adult is like a week long celebration if you got festive friends
real
started the friday before and i think i went out like 5 times total that week lmao
first time i got to do a couples costume in like 8 years

we already started getting ideas for next year
gotta prep in advance
almost wanna make a costume instead of getting one online
exactly
Halloween best holiday
that or im deadass getting some medieval armor cause she got super obsessed with ren faires and subsequently was making money off making girls princess dresses
she would just buy wedding dresses on facebook marketplace and alter and dye them lol
ooo he got that yummy yummy
@burnt kite real
Sounds like what i would buy, but i dont live there so
sounds about right
i love this mod lmao
What in the hongyuan needs
weh
Xi chun with zero point energy field manipulator
It's November
he so smug
Canon ending for micah
Scav i done traumatized a sanitar yesterday as zealot
Bro was just repairing a cam while i stood behind bro and it starts beeping cause of me right after he repairs it and hes fuckin dead now cause le tantalizer to le head
Is there anyone Brazilian playing Europa Universalis 5?
i wanna watch you play aneurism lotg
Thats how I plan on dying also
