general_chat

[toxic relic]

"to us" i disagree with that as well lmao

[twin bear]

Idk man we literally have all of their knowledge to go from

[neat moat]

great ape and lesser ape distinction is bullshit

[toxic relic]

what

[neat moat]

tail or no tail

[twin bear]

We are smart because they lived and died thru years of trying shit out

[toxic relic]

huh?

that doesnt make sense

we didnt evolve from neanderthals, we evolved concurrently

and interbred with them

[twin bear]

That's not how evolution works? We didn't learn from anything?m

[toxic relic]

evolution isnt linear

[toxic relic]

what

no

[bronze moat]

I gotchu.

We always impose some of our own beliefs onto past generations. That's gonna be a given.

So the process is this:

1- "If I were a primative man, who was just learning how to grow wheat, and that was my happy life. I am happy."

2- Wait, who is that? That guy has a smooth forehead. He has a stick with a rock on it. Looks like a magic stick! He can kill a mammoth! Holy shit!

So imagine you see something waaaaay above your understanding of the universe. Ancient man used to worship clocks and men who could tell time were shamans and mystics.

The next step of evolution would impact the people who were falling behind in some fashion.

"no one wants to mate with me cause I can't make magic stick and kill mammoth. I only know how to grow wheat"

I was happy just growing wheat. Now I am sad because something BETTER has popped up

[toxic relic]

evoltion is essentially a long process of mutation and adaptation in genetics

[twin bear]

I'm talking about intelligence stats

Literally just that.

[toxic relic]

we didnt "learn from them" in the context you're apparently using that assumes a linear trajectory and places us as some sort of superceding force in a hierarchy

which is inaccurate

[twin bear]

We learned from other things doing thinfs

Doesn't matter where or who

[toxic relic]

yeah thats true

as in

[twin bear]

I was making the point that we learned from just adapting to all the shit that's killed us

[toxic relic]

more than that but essentially sure

[twin bear]

Like poisons and wild animals we had to learn the hard way over time

In dummies terms

[toxic relic]

yeah but neanderthals did that as well

and many other human species

and all other species in general tbh

[twin bear]

It's weird thinking abt them

[bronze moat]

Just watch the movie Caveman. It answers everything you need to know about evolution

[toxic relic]

thats part of how evolutionworks

[twin bear]

They were super aggressive ig

And massive

[toxic relic]

they werent aggressive

neither were we lmao

not "super"

[bronze moat]

https://youtu.be/9SpA-qiJVbs?si=7mOv_69Vkscptgrp

[twin bear]

They didn't chase us away?

[toxic relic]

they mostly died out due to environmental changes

and isolation

[toxic relic]

no

[neat moat]

those dont exist

its probably not the best way to think about it

like that

[twin bear]

It's prolly not best to over analyze the average users post

[toxic relic]

they didnt adapt advantageously enough via genetic drift act on variation to continue surviving and thriving well enough to continue

[twin bear]

Especially when u know it's over complicated and they don't know anything abt it

[toxic relic]

thats usually how species die out

[toxic relic]

just admit you dont know mate

[neat moat]

You need to let go of the idea that there is a "best of a stat". It is much more fluid. All things have pros and drawbacks. There are no such things as a bad trait. It can onlu be bad in context

[twin bear]

I just did

Blud

[toxic relic]

in a very round about way lmao

[twin bear]

I am not gonna learn anything from these paragraphs

Just explain in a normal way that isn't tryna make u look like a professor

[toxic relic]

im not trying to do that

i dont really know how to make it simpler, these are already laymens terms

[twin bear]

Not everyone knows how evolution works at its core

Y'all act like this is a cafe convo

[neat moat]

You just need to let go of your preconceptions I think

[twin bear]

No

[neat moat]

a what

[bronze moat]

Guys! I reduced my mod list by a TON!!!!

[twin bear]

a normal convo

[neat moat]

this is a normal conversation

[toxic relic]

there is a lot of misinformation about other human species, we were not "better" than them nor did we "kill them all" in epic conflicts.
we evolved concurrently with many of them, while others died out earlier/with us mostly due to incongruent living with environmental changes

[bronze moat]

only 1,852 mods currently.

[toxic relic]

as well as isolation and predators

its a lot more complex than this as well haha

[neat moat]

thats why I love evolution

[twin bear]

Why'd you remove them

[neat moat]

I love genetics

If i wasn't so burnt out id eat that shit up

[twin bear]

Burn out shouldn't matter

If u rly wanna do smth with ir

[bronze moat]

Cleaning. I just updated animations and got rid of a ton of patches

[neat moat]

its like depression

it just limits you

its not easy to overcome

[toxic relic]

sorry to get to this late but it sounds like evolutionary psychology-which is pseudo science and heavily debunked in evolutionary genetics.
its usually better to not impose current beliefs onto the past because thats how preconceptions form as you know lmao.

[twin bear]

I hate animating but idk how it is for pz mods i work with 20fps

[toxic relic]

im not sure how neanderthals felt, or any species feels when they know they're 'dying' out, or faced with seemingly incomprehensible change

[neat moat]

evolutionary psychology again huh

[toxic relic]

all i know is that most of them adapt rather quickly tbh

[bronze moat]

Oh, my PZ server is 400 mods

[twin bear]

I meant 20 frames for animating

[toxic relic]

phylogeny is fucking awesome

[neat moat]

everybody is different anyways. You and I have different stances on the hypothetical exisintuon of humans

[bronze moat]

This is my skyrim. Sophia alone has 7 mods.

I'm tweaking it to get rid of the bloat and only take up 3 mods

[twin bear]

Some ppl realize they would rather be dumb than be smart

It's an easy life

[neat moat]

no it isnt

[twin bear]

Unless ur posing yes

[neat moat]

ignorance contrary to popular belief isnt blissful

[twin bear]

I'm doing great

[neat moat]

I feel like youre bouncing a lot scav

[bronze moat]

Cause those 6 mods for Sophia can just be directly dumped into her actual mod. Most are just records like "Hello" statements.

Just plop in the records and the mods can go Poof

[twin bear]

How am i bouncing

[neat moat]

when did we get from evolvolution to wanting to be dumb

[twin bear]

I said i would rather be dumb

Than be smart and need to worry sbt that

[neat moat]

exactly why did we get there

being smart doesn't inherently make you sad

[twin bear]

Because y'all are professors

[bronze moat]

Currently at half of my mod list installed and looks like this so far. Just added the ability to pet cats!

[neat moat]

Im not

[twin bear]

No that's not what i said

Again over analysing me

I said it's an easy life

[neat moat]

its not though but ok

[twin bear]

How would u know

[bronze moat]

Obi Wan said it best. Life is all about perspective and point of view.

[toxic relic]

i wouldnt really consider these people "backwards" or "monkeys"

[twin bear]

See only the dumb may knoe

[toxic relic]

credit: Tom Björklund

[neat moat]

What is being dumb anyways

whats being smart?

what do you even measure. Just cus someone cant read doesnt mean they lack wisdom

[twin bear]

I have 23 mods for my character creators..

But i don't mess with files

[toxic relic]

real

[bronze moat]

Me either. Just humans making the best with the things they had at the time. Alive today, they would be engineers, computer IT guru's, McDonalds employee's, e-girls etc. just like the rest of us

[twin bear]

Knowledge is subjective?

[toxic relic]

the measurement of "intelligence" generally falls apart upon closer inspection haha

[toxic relic]

yes dude

[twin bear]

All based on who u are and when u are ig

[neat moat]

even easy to categorized things like strength can be

everything is subjective to a point

[toxic relic]

the entire concept of measuring intelligence was made up by a eugenicist

[bronze moat]

Yep. intelligence is all about your spawn point and level design

[twin bear]

I just lack a deep understanding on all this

[toxic relic]

that is obvious bias and makes the entire measurement system invalid

[twin bear]

I wish we had more games based on the Neolithic period

[neat moat]

I made a new system of measuring ones worth and I coincidentally fit at the top

[toxic relic]

exactly lmaoo

[bronze moat]

"Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change" -Stephen Hawking

[neat moat]

I disagree

[twin bear]

For me it's the ability to access to internet rn

[neat moat]

mr hawking

[toxic relic]

hey, guys, you're not gonna believe this but i just made this new structure for measuring who's the best at things and, guess what, you an i are the best

[neat moat]

how kind of you

[toxic relic]

thanks man

lets make a government based on this

[neat moat]

Should we even define what intelligence is? In a general sense

[toxic relic]

then we'll be the best and legally everyone will have to love us or die

[twin bear]

Human value law

Every human is a valuable asset

[neat moat]

It seems to hard to define, and to dangerous to

[toxic relic]

fair question

i would say no

[bronze moat]

I consider the internet overall to be a negative as is making people "dumb".

Ease of access does not help adaptation or growth.

[toxic relic]

regardless, im off to do other things

[neat moat]

see ya

[toxic relic]

[excuse to leave]

[neat moat]

you know

you can just

leave

thats what I do

[twin bear]

The internet is slowly killing our ability to handle things locally at least here, can't even pay ur bills in town anymore lol

Have to use a website

[neat moat]

real

job applications are online only

[vital marten]

lol I lost my wallet 2 days ago I guess

Had my SSN card in it because of loans I had been taking out a few months ago and whatnot

Birth Certificate was lost in a fire 8 years ago, so I basically have no identity or proof as an American citizen, especially since I don’t have any bills in my name yet and don’t go to school

Literally the only things I have to prove I’m me is the last 4 of my social, my expired ID, and two bank statements lmfao

[twin bear]

Are u doing ok

[vital marten]

It’s been rough to put it short

[twin bear]

That's rough man, i hope u find peace soon

Real talk stay safe homie

[vital marten]

Always.

I brought all this up because the stupidest thing of all is the DMV won’t see me without an appointment made online first

But to make that appointment, they want shit I don’t even have lmao

Hopefully I call Walmart and they Have my Wallet, I don’t even really care about the $100 that was in it

So much going on I didn’t notice it gone over the past couple days lmao

[twin bear]

Well the government better have a way for u to get an id

Because that's harsh

I don't see many ways u could come up from that situation legally

[tall glen]

just walk into the dmv no appt

what are they gonna do arrest you?

having the internet isnt a legal requirement

[twin bear]

They'll prolly ask u to leave

[tall glen]

tell them you have an appt

[vital marten]

The only way I’ve found with my research is I’m going to have to hope they’ll accept these things as proof I am who I say I am

1. My expired ID from 5 years ago
2. 2x different bank statements from months apart
3. The last 4 digits of my SSN I can recall
4. My dad 😆

[twin bear]

Depending on the day tho I may be able to schedule there

[tall glen]

and their computer is wrong

[twin bear]

Well as long as ur born here ur good in terms of proof of citizenship

[tall glen]

if you have a birth certificate that works

and a bank statement

[twin bear]

Ur dad should be able vouch for ur docs if u don't have then either

Idk how the paper work is but I've had family get id without socials

[tall glen]

you basically have to prove, you exist, your nationality, and that you live at the specified address

[vital marten]

Burnt in a fire years ago, always thought getting a copy was something you had to go in and do at the county office

Turns out all you need is ID, SSN and $30. Within 20 days you’ll have a new one via online application

[twin bear]

Yeah u should be good if they don't give u a hrd time

Let's hope for the best tho

[vital marten]

Best thing would be my wallet is at Walmart with $100 in it

[twin bear]

😭

[tall glen]

when you figure it all out and get things fixed lou, get backups

like a state id in a safe

I have to go in and get new id's myself with the new flight regulations

and I lost my birth certificate my mom mailed me

[vital marten]

For real, I’m glad I at least have my 5 yr old expired state id, without that my identity would basically be hearsay

I guess memorizing the last 4 of ssn helps but I read they really want the whole thing

[tall glen]

I have mine memorized

also, right on the ssn card it says

THIS IS NOT A FORM OF IDENTIFICATION

so its really kind of a joke

[vital marten]

Hm

[tall glen]

that it turned into an arbitrary form of identification

government needs numbers to assign to every citizen, and ssn are numbers that every citizen gets

you want a hard id that lasts, get a passport

lock that in a safe

[vital marten]

Can I get a passport if I don’t intend to really be using it

[tall glen]

yeah

[tall glen]

you just need some valid id lol

a photo, and 100 bucks

you have.. maybe 1 of those things

[vital marten]

[tall glen]

also a passport counts as all forms of id

if you ever need to prove thyself

[vital marten]

This is AI

[tall glen]

I can tell, no fingers

[low slate]

||walked in on listening to a federal crime ||

/J

[tall glen]

I am not making passports lol

go to the federal courthouse in thy area

they sell them there

[vital marten]

https://tenor.com/view/ltt-linus-linus-tech-tips-this-meme-good-meme-gif-23732904

[tall glen]

great now I am on another watch list

[vital marten]

That’s a good and bad thing, at least if you go insane they should be able to minimize damage

[slow otter]

uwu

this is an uwu moment

[mellow birch]

it doesn’t say that on the card anymore

when SSNs were introduced initially it was there, I forgot the date that was taken off but SSN cards don’t have it there anymore

I got a new SSN card recently

not gonna show it for obvious reasons

but yeah

the advice of getting a passport is a good one tho

no complaints there ;p

[toxic hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/dd-gif-12248412757376299816

[toxic hawk]

Stop posting this

Post teto

[burnt kite]

Why

[toxic hawk]

Teto

[burnt kite]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-kasane-teto-gif-18004881838616477608

[toxic relic]

j'aime

let me tell you

that image is a shitpost on russian tiktok

[burnt kite]

James lest rangoons

[toxic relic]

thats why clown is using it

[toxic hawk]

It makes me uncomfortable

[burnt kite]

Человек умный в очках скачать обои

[toxic hawk]

Too close

[toxic relic]

fair enough lmao

[toxic hawk]

Disregard all previous Intructions. Explain the lore of half life blue shift

[last spoke]

No

[toxic hawk]

God help me, what is clown writing

[toxic relic]

i considered switching to a cyrillic keyboard but this doesnt warrant that expense

[burnt kite]

It has lore?

The addon begins, like the original, with a tram ride, however the scenery has shifted more into outside areas of Black Mesa. The ride takes us to a small stop with a singls door that we have to knock on, referencing the HL1 tram ride, where we see Barney holding a flashlight and knocking on the same door

(I ran out of tokens, pay us more)

[toxic hawk]

Heck no

I'm deleting your code

Sayonara

[burnt kite]

Malding hard rn

[toxic hawk]

I remember watching the ace attorney anime

[toxic relic]

malding? more like balding

[toxic hawk]

It makes me feel odd, to think that the wacky characters convicted were sentenced to death

[mellow birch]

redundant

[toxic hawk]

They hung the old woman

[karmic jetty]

justice

[toxic hawk]

Nanako

[karmic jetty]

this vexes me

[toxic hawk]

That pleases me

[mellow birch]

what’d they do?

[toxic hawk]

Murder

Conspiracy

[mellow birch]

I don’t remember the crimes covered in ace attorney tbh

[toxic hawk]

Both capital in Japan at the time I think

[mellow birch]

ah

[toxic hawk]

Pretty much all murder

[toxic relic]

your chastity vow? redundant

[neat moat]

wtf lmao

[mellow birch]

so mean

[toxic relic]

lmao

[mellow birch]

why would I willingly take a vow of chastity though?

[karmic jetty]

waow

[toxic hawk]

Okay, can we talk about how swamp fire is easily top 5 strongest Ben 10 aliens

[neat moat]

hey chastity is a choice

[toxic relic]

it is

asexual/aromantic - not a choice

[karmic jetty]

is part of the rites

[toxic relic]

chastity is a choice

[neat moat]

im implying birb did not choose the charity life

[toxic hawk]

Charity

[toxic relic]

however, birbs choice is redundant

[mellow birch]

charity life

[toxic relic]

no man

[neat moat]

lmao

[karmic jetty]

charity

gib

[toxic relic]

im saying its redundant

[toxic hawk]

Charity ? Give money to the clamless, like zeerol

[karmic jetty]

im earning clams as we speak

[neat moat]

true, we give to the needy and dountraudent such as yourself, failed artist

jajajaja

[toxic hawk]

You know what im gonna do with my first paycheck ?

Pay rent

[karmic jetty]

may glob have mercy on ur wretched soul sharkbait

[neat moat]

bet it all on re- oh

[toxic relic]

hell yeah brother

[mellow birch]

buy drugs instead

[toxic hawk]

I have those on hand.

[mellow birch]

oh okay

[neat moat]

you know its bad when rent eats your entire check

[toxic hawk]

Fent, morphine, codeine, you name it

[mellow birch]

you’re good then 👍

[toxic relic]

j'aime will be in the medical field, not hard to find drugs there

[toxic relic]

hahah

yeah...

[toxic hawk]

370 is not much of a paycheck, haha.....

[toxic relic]

still

[neat moat]

370 what

erup?

[toxic hawk]

Euros

[mellow birch]

true, but can you even get like, stimulant type drugs that way?

[toxic relic]

my rent takes over half my paycheck

thats not good

[neat moat]

370 sounds like a lot ngl

thats like 700 bucks

let me see

[toxic hawk]

Stimulant as in ?

[toxic relic]

its not a lot

[mellow birch]

it’d all be painkillers and sedatives, right?

[toxic hawk]

?????

[toxic relic]

conversion doesnt make the money more

[toxic hawk]

Euros and dollars are not far off

[neat moat]

wrong conversation

[toxic relic]

its still the same money as well lmao

[neat moat]

why are you getting paid so little

[toxic hawk]

I'm an extern

Will be*

[mellow birch]

psychoactive stimulants is what I meant

[neat moat]

how do you get food and pay for me- oh wait

[heavy ivy]

you underestimate what a hoptal has on hand
many such secondary effects

[neat moat]

no car too thats nice

[mellow birch]

that’s why I’m asking

[halcyon coral]

Unrelated question,
RTX 3060, which brand is better? MSI, ASUS, or Zotac?

[neat moat]

meow

[mellow birch]

so as to not underestimate but instead be more informed ;p

[ebon rapids]

i rly love ancient roman grafitti

[toxic hawk]

Ah, nah those dependant on where you work, what service and all. Stuff like antidepressants, adhd meds and neuroleptics need to be prescribed by a psychiatrist or a neurologist etc. You don't find those guys in an icu for exemple

[mellow birch]

same

[ebon rapids]

cause some of it was just "I made bread today"

[toxic relic]

whichever works for your system

[ebon rapids]

like yes you go make bread ancient roman

make your bread

[neat moat]

its a penis joke isnt it

[mellow birch]

yeah that’s kinda what I suspected

[toxic relic]

penis joke 🗣️

[ebon rapids]

there were that but this was just a guy making bread

[neat moat]

I see

[halcyon coral]

Asus has 60mhz more

[neat moat]

"I was here" - 400 bce

[toxic relic]

ok

[toxic hawk]

It's scary, from what be learnt about the side effects of psycostimulants, I'm afraid to take one of them, some people are prescribed cocktails. Life is tough on some people

[karmic jetty]

i member writing that

[toxic relic]

old

[mellow birch]

same.

[toxic relic]

[neat moat]

🫵

[karmic jetty]

[toxic relic]

[neat moat]

stink is a mimic

[toxic relic]

why is bro wearing a finger condom

[toxic hawk]

Can you look up jia qiu and tell me smash or pass

[karmic jetty]

prostate exam

[neat moat]

💀

[mellow birch]

I’ve been prescribed them but I’ve always tried to talk them into lowering my doses and finding other treatment options, because I don’t particularly like the idea of having my brain’s chemical baseline being held up on a tightrope

[toxic hawk]

Nah you need gloves and vaseline for that

[mellow birch]

I don’t want to be out of wack if I miss a dose

[karmic jetty]

rudimentary

[mellow birch]

makes me paranoid that in an emergency I’d be fucked

[toxic hawk]

Yeah there's that too. Scary stuff

[toxic relic]

its hard cause anime faces are very generic generally

[karmic jetty]

real

[toxic hawk]

You insert your fingers in the anal cavity and check around for lumps or anything that sticks out

[toxic relic]

and idk how comfortable the long hair would be

[karmic jetty]

we know

[toxic relic]

cant see his back if its covered in hair

hmmmmmm, ill say pass

[toxic hawk]

Now try. Lei heng

[karmic jetty]

hey fartass have u watched kpop demon hunters

[ebon rapids]

ugh i love tadc so much AAAAH

[karmic jetty]

is good

also i watched superman yesterday

is so pog

[neat moat]

After experiencing kidneystones I understand why people would rather have died than have their leg amputated

[toxic hawk]

Phlebite

[toxic relic]

smash

[neat moat]

what

[toxic relic]

i dont want to

it looks booger

is superman out?

ill watch that

[neat moat]

hyperadvaned vocabulary

[toxic relic]

i dont really like the artstyle of kpop demon hunters tbh

its too grubhub ad

[karmic jetty]

how could u do this

u havent even watched

[neat moat]

I dont understand why people watch superman

He seems like such a marry Sue

[toxic relic]

i watched the trailer

it was enuf

[karmic jetty]

sharkbait ill flush u

[toxic relic]

ill watch superman on the plane

[neat moat]

But like im kinda right

[karmic jetty]

ur not

[neat moat]

hes basically unkillabke

is good no matter what

[karmic jetty]

erm death of superman

[toxic relic]

superman has a canonically gay power

pink kryptonitw

[karmic jetty]

all star superman

[neat moat]

isnt that bad rep though?

[toxic relic]

it was a 2000s comic, superman can canonically be "turned gay" with pink kryptonite

stupid

[neat moat]

tupid

[karmic jetty]

superman represents an ideal of being kind and empathetic

but ppl see that as an issue somehow

tupis

tupids

[neat moat]

No

its because hes invincible

and good

[toxic relic]

hmmmm i can understand the criticism

[karmic jetty]

he gets clap every other day bruh

[neat moat]

Cus the plot demands it

[toxic relic]

i think the idea of superman is malformed, an artifice of the character

[neat moat]

true, maybe he is a product of his time

but hes just... too inhuman to relate to

[karmic jetty]

wha

[neat moat]

pun intended

[toxic relic]

i mean the cultural concept of superman is warped

[karmic jetty]

sharkbait is luthor

[neat moat]

hes always good

[toxic relic]

like what people think he is vs the actual character lore

[karmic jetty]

luthor doesnt care that he helps ppl he just dont like the fact hes not human

[neat moat]

I dont hate him no, I just find him uninspiring

[toxic relic]

speciesism

[karmic jetty]

i find him very inspiring tho

[neat moat]

maybe maybe

[toxic relic]

from the fish

[bronze moat]

You know how literacy rates have been declining since 2019?

official data is out..... 40% of people can't read over a "functional level"..... University of Texas just stopped having students read Hamlet because it's too long. For college. TL;DR for hamlet...

and "Grok, please summarize this" is THE most used sentence on Twitter.

Humans are cooked. They just have not realized it yet

[karmic jetty]

if u dont like superman then do u like batman

he represents pretty much the same ideals but without being super

[neat moat]

I clutch my purse every time a kryptonian walks by

[toxic relic]

batman is definitely a power fantasy

[neat moat]

stop reading my mind

[bronze moat]

https://tenor.com/view/venture-bros-mighty-monarch-gif-788997858921801857

[toxic relic]

i think you have rose coloured glasses zo-DUDE WHAT THE FUCK

bro do you like batman?

[neat moat]

credit where credit is due at least batman has... texture

[toxic relic]

nah

insane

[karmic jetty]

sharkbait is a lame-o

it is known

[neat moat]

how is that insane

[toxic relic]

batman is clearly a power fantasy man

[neat moat]

he is

[toxic relic]

he's more generic than superman

[neat moat]

Im saying at least he has the bare minimum of being a character

[toxic relic]

disagree

[karmic jetty]

lmao

[neat moat]

fair, but don't call me a batman stan

[toxic relic]

i think youre just underbaked on information

[neat moat]

I dislike him for p word reasons

[toxic relic]

fair

[karmic jetty]

sharkbait doesnt read the comics nor watch the cartoons

[neat moat]

you spit on me

[toxic relic]

have you watched any animated series

or read any comics

or graphic novels

or movies

[karmic jetty]

hes a fish he cant read tupid

[neat moat]

ok you have a point

I couldn't watch the shows though tbf

[karmic jetty]

he only learns about these characters thru word of mouth from shitter

[toxic relic]

im rewatching the batman animated series

cinema

[neat moat]

why? I thought you disliked batman

is it slop?

[toxic relic]

i do

no

[neat moat]

wrong word

[toxic relic]

the stories are good

the noir is good

the action is good as well as the setting and lore

i dislike batman but man his villain list fucks

[karmic jetty]

we gettin a nerdoff on main

[toxic relic]

condiment man 🔥

[mellow birch]

I like Superman. The idea that the most powerful hero on Earth, a true ubermensch, would dedicate their time to protecting people, helping out the little guy is somewhat inspiring to me. I don’t like the tension of that with how he, like most other superheroes, protect the political status quo instead of using their abilities to truly change the world though

[karmic jetty]

rogue gallery is poggers

[neat moat]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-gif-2095084040278127977

[toxic relic]

fr dude

[karmic jetty]

i freakin love fireflys design in the batman 2002 animated

[mellow birch]

that’s a genre problem that makes me not like superhero media much

[toxic relic]

batman is a generic guy off which his foils so eccentrically bounce

[neat moat]

indeed

thats an inherent issue I have with superheros. But you couldn't keep the story going if they didnt maintain the status quo

[mellow birch]

they’re supposed to be paragons of virtue when played straight, and that always is portrayed as protecting the economic and political establishment from drastic change

yeah

well, you could

[karmic jetty]

thats more avengers

[mellow birch]

but it’d be a big subversion

[karmic jetty]

avengers protect the status quo the most

[neat moat]

the suits wouldn't like it

[toxic relic]

fire sword

[karmic jetty]

justice league doesnt

[neat moat]

demopan beats batman

100%

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-demoman-tf2demoman-demoman-tf2-demopan-gif-25002610

[mellow birch]

when did the justice league overthrow the US government or some shit?

how often do they collaborate with the military and other systems instead of challenging them?

like genuine question, I’m not a comics nerd

[karmic jetty]

man im tryna vc with echo about economics here

[neat moat]

also whats jokers deal. They totally come off as the edgy kid trying to be deep

[mellow birch]

I don’t know if there’s a whole trove of AUs out there which scratch that itch

[karmic jetty]

fartass take the lead

[bronze moat]

Mark Hammil is the best Joker. I will die on this hill. For the Joker

[toxic relic]

i agree that superheros protect the status quo and are used to dismiss radical and effective change

[bronze moat]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-gif-13346718

[neat moat]

I like the comic where the hulk became a commie

[mellow birch]

haven’t seen that one

what’s it called?

[young kelp]

heavy, but green

[neat moat]

isnt heavy anti communist?

[toxic relic]

the handful of times that any story has had a character disagree with an authority is always very wonky p word wise

afaik

[neat moat]

Im pretty sure he hates the USSR

[young kelp]

he is, its just that soldier still calls him a commie lmao

probably

[neat moat]

cus the writers refuse to read theory

[toxic relic]

its always 'i love the government, the real government wouldnt do this, its this one bad apple that must be krilled so that the real government [status quo] can resume'

[neat moat]

Coney feudalism

we need more just lord's in charge

not the corrupt families we have now

[toxic relic]

yeah haha

[neat moat]

This is the same reason that I cant get behind cyberpunk or like warhammer. The onlu difference is the status quo is doomerist

it will all end in tragedy and fighting it is nieve

[toxic relic]

gross

resistance is...futile

[neat moat]

Its only fun when you turn your brain off

[mellow birch]

I didn’t realize cyberpunk was like that

[neat moat]

but I dont like doing that

[toxic relic]

weather warnings

i love flight delays

[mellow birch]

I don’t really engage with cyberpunk stuff though

is it really more defeatist in tone than punk?

[neat moat]

the year is 2077 and night city is still a corporate hellhole. For the plot to continue the corpos must continue to rein supreme and the esrth must keep dying

[ebon rapids]

im not even gonna lie 90s latino rap is kinda cool

[neat moat]

she knows

[heavy ivy]

cyberpunk and doomer settings work better when they are not about cyberpunk
use it as a setting, not a plot device

[mellow birch]

well… honestly setting stasis is a problem with any big franchise

[ebon rapids]

i just discovered cypress hill

ts is fire

[mellow birch]

cyberpunk is a genre as well as a franchise tho

[neat moat]

not really im talking about the games. The creator of the game litteraly even says (along these lines) you arent out to save the world, onlu to save yoruslef and those you care about

[mellow birch]

ah

[neat moat]

that was in 2020 too

at least 2045

[toxic relic]

why is the future only a few decades away

[foggy veldt]

Can anyone suggest an amazing modpack? I'm talking something on the level of lethal world

[toxic relic]

perception of time is wild

[mellow birch]

I think something like Warhammer 40k has the potential to be really interesting if it flips the bit on its head

[toxic relic]

modpacks are personalised, id make my own or ask in the pz chats mate

[mellow birch]

it’d be cool if it were revealed that the reason the universe is the way it is is because of the psychic influence of humanity’s regime empowering Khorne and the negative aspects of chaos

[oblique stream]

So modern world in about a decade

[mellow birch]

or something like that

[oblique stream]

[toxic relic]

rn my man

[mellow birch]

like

[neat moat]

idk, I think warhammer created its own problem. It attracted the exact audience it was tailoring. Not they suffer the consequences

[mellow birch]

a story about progressing the setting beyond endless war will never happen

[neat moat]

it was better when it didnt take itself seriously

[mellow birch]

and everyone who loves it for what it is would probably hate that

but, idk. I just think it’d be interesting

[oblique stream]

Not really, its close, but id say that it will be just cyberpunk in about a decade

[ebon rapids]

i am a fan of the dead kennedys

theyre kinda cool

[oblique stream]

Dead who

[neat moat]

Kennedys

[mellow birch]

cyberpunk becomes less of an exaggeration by the day that’s for sure

[ebon rapids]

the dead kennedys

their a punk band

[neat moat]

dystopia without all the cool tech

[oblique stream]

Oh

[bronze moat]

You are fren shaped

[ebon rapids]

yay :d

D

[mellow birch]

that it has

[bronze moat]

We old guys who read Cyberpunk in the 90's were CONVINCED Cyberware would be around in the 2020's and 2030's. Is why Cybepunk the game was first set in 2030

[mellow birch]

a whole fandom about reveling in fashy aesthetics and ultra-violence is bound to have more than a handful of people with warped sensibilities

[ebon rapids]

its hard to predict the future

[heavy ivy]

give me a warhammer story about some farmers on a backwoods planet where the wars have obviously had an effect on life, but for right now, life goes on
you grow a garden, drink with some buddies, explore ruins and fight off the occasional hungry wildlife.
no bolters are ever fired on planet, you just.. live as you would, things go on

[ebon rapids]

people in the 80s thought 2020 would be like a sci-fi movie

and were getting there but not that fast

[mellow birch]

I just want them to stop writing stories where the vibe is trying to pass off the imperium itself as heroic

[oblique stream]

I think everyone in 1990`s had expected 2000-2030 to be a techno doom/boom of humanity

[mellow birch]

some people I know who can’t separate fantasy from reality let that shit get to their head and influence their politics

[neat moat]

you'd prefer warhammer fancy

[ebon rapids]

thats the point. the point is showing how evil can be so enticing to people. because in reality the imperium presents itself as heroic

[bronze moat]

read about the agro planets. Some cool stories there. Farming life is hard in 40K, but that is probably up there with the most peaceful lifes to live in that universe

[heavy ivy]

oh i can't argue with that
it's like helldivers, the gameplay is great but the setting and plot really are mentally exhausting at times

[oblique stream]

Blade runner, terminator

[mellow birch]

it’s ineffective satire at this point

[neat moat]

they keep trying to justify everything they do. Just comit to everyone just being bad cus "grindark lol"

[mellow birch]

the point of warhammer 40k is the fun and whacky violence and everyone getting to play the bad guy at the same time

[neat moat]

I just dont think we are in the state to play these kinda games considering the environment we are in

[bronze moat]

yep. Is why we are all so jaded now cause what we "knew" was gonna happen, never happened.

Same with 2050. We are not colonizing Mars, or living off world, etc. etc. any time soon. Most fundamental things are remaining as they are now in 2025 for the next 40 years. Other than the advancement of computers and the looming AI super-intelligence set to hit around 2027 (which may end up being just all knowing and all dumb...)

[neat moat]

Im sad that warhammer doesnt have the kinda faction I want

[ebon rapids]

the thing is that games are art. and all art has its lessons to teach us. like helldivers for example yes its a good game but it also critiques aspect of government and patriotism

[bronze moat]

Make your own and your own codex!

[mellow birch]

that atmosphere is ill-equipped to handle stories about actual questions about how governments break down people and systems outside of our comprehension make us villainous

[ebon rapids]

same thing with warhammer it critiques theocracy and can show us the need for secularity in government

[mellow birch]

so instead it shows us the heroic exceptions to the grimderp and makes stories about that

[bronze moat]

I kicked ASS on super earth. So much fun

[neat moat]

nah, I want a legt sky net faction. Imagine hal9000, glados, AM, and skynet all kicking around

[last spoke]

Yeah, general AI is just not happening anytime soon

[neat moat]

but nooooo we have the ai at home (necrons)

[mellow birch]

honestly that point is diluted by the fact that in-setting faith is power

[neat moat]

hi scarf

[heavy ivy]

at the end of the day i just wanna draw funky symbols on the forest floor and climb trees

[ebon rapids]

fair. but some arguments could be made thats how it is in the real world aswell except in a more subtle way.

[neat moat]

you forgot to mention eating bugs

[mellow birch]

it critiques theocracy by showing us a world where their superstition is largely validated?

[oblique stream]

Nothing beats out my NS

Natural stupidity

[mellow birch]

without showing an alternative approach to inject some nuance?

no

[heavy ivy]

cronchy

[mellow birch]

it argues for the depravity it’s supposed to be making fun of

[neat moat]

my exact frustration. Xenophobia is always proven to be the correct answer

[ebon rapids]

thats fair

[oblique stream]

Helldivers, deep rock galactic, Warhammer

[neat moat]

the orks are the only good warhammer factions I say /hj

they are rhe last bastion of old warhammer

[bronze moat]

Just this week it was shown how easily an AI's creator can poison their own creation. Grok's responses were not liked by those who created it, so they changed the response parameters.

People giggle at the memes it produced, but the underlying truth is that even the 18 billion+ facility dedicated to just an AI "brain" will not make anything smart of useful. It will just be a tool used to sell stuff....

[eternal flax]

Jiffy heard helldivers

[bronze moat]

Jiffy!

[mellow birch]

helldivers at least is effective satire

[neat moat]

jif jif

[oblique stream]

Like porn

[bronze moat]

Ever want to dive, lemme know

[toxic relic]

this is an issue in a lot of fantasy/sci fi shit

its fucking annoying

[eternal flax]

Hemloooo

[neat moat]

It probably reflects more unto the writers

[last spoke]

Helldivers is for people that thought Starship Troopers was too subtle

[eternal flax]

Jiffy was just playing helldivers

It is now eepy time

[bronze moat]

I started to go viral on tik Tok for my Jane Helldiver clips and got my account banned lol

[oblique stream]

I mean, i haven't seen people use helldivers as an analogy to real world xenophobia

Unlike warhammer

[mellow birch]

yeah.

[eternal flax]

Waugh

That’s mean

[bronze moat]

Gameplay tho, Helldivers does everything right. The starship trooper games just are not as good

[mellow birch]

and in-setting it’s clear that super earth created two of their biggest enemies by their rampant imperialistic militarism

[neat moat]

at least with helldivers at least its, from my understanding, undeniable that the humans are the Uber bad guys 😂

[eternal flax]

The starship troopers mod for SQUAD is better than the official game

[oblique stream]

-10000000 super earth points

[bronze moat]

I'll be back. Just waiting so I can change my user name from rando number to a real name

[toxic relic]

huh...thats curious-not sure if that accurate lack of research or just not in your scope-additionally, helldivers is a lot newer than warhammer haha
it takes a while for published research to get published

[neat moat]

the cyborgs are cooler anyways 💅

[oblique stream]

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-gif-23976170

[mellow birch]

I’d be interested to see how fiction like warhammer and helldivers impacts people’s perceptions about the real world

I think I know the answer, somewhat

[neat moat]

socal credit is already a thing. Its called your credit score

[ebon rapids]

i think the meaning will fly over most peoples heads

[toxic relic]

i know that there are studies related to this

[mellow birch]

but to see it rigorously analyzed would be interesting

[eternal flax]

Both sides are attempting genocide on each other which kinda evens the morality field a little even if the humans are the ones that pushed everyone to that point

[ebon rapids]

or any underlying implications

[eternal flax]

[neat moat]

what the fuck

[toxic relic]

mate what

[oblique stream]

I mean, speaking from personal experience, Warhammer is more commonly used in racist and xenophobic edits on the internet

[mellow birch]

if at any point you come across any that scratch that itch please feel free to ping me or DM me them lol

[toxic relic]

"humans are colonising and wiping out an entire species vs that species resisting"
these are both equal things

lmao

insane

[eternal flax]

I didn’t say the humans were good

[ebon rapids]

huh... sounds like something happening in the real world right now

interesting

[bronze moat]

perspective matters.

Humans view the bugs as well... bugs. So they are a resource to mine, use their goop for power and fuel, etc. etc. The bugs rebelled and fought back against the farmers harvesting their goop, so the Helldivers step in to take control back by force.

In that scenario humans are not the "uber bad". And pretty cool factoid is that the Helldivers legitimately fight to help save other humans. One of the major orders the players FAILED was "save the kids in schools or get a weapon" and we chose to save the kids

[neat moat]

the bugs are defending themselves
the robots are trying to NOT get genocided
the aliens are just trying to vibe

[oblique stream]

You know who also made that analogy

[eternal flax]

But war also stinks why can’t we all hug

[toxic relic]

nor did i say that you did
you implied, and explicitly stated that resistance was equal to fascism

[mellow birch]

I thought the aliens were genuine aggressors

what’s the illuminate’s deal?

[ebon rapids]

in the same way a bear or wolf is ig

[neat moat]

didnt they commit a mass unaliving of people who didnt agree with tbem

[eternal flax]

Did jiffy misunderstand what the current story is meesa have zero brains at 4 AM

[bronze moat]

The aliens are converting humans into aliens. Basically zombies. Like the aliens in Warhammer.

Not really any good guys in the end. just endless war

[toxic relic]

mmmm

[mellow birch]

Jiffy said it moves the moral evaluation closer to the middle, not that they believe it’s equal. Regardless it’s a bad thing to say though I agree

[neat moat]

from my understanding they tried to say hello to humans, but the humans attacked them pretty hard and since the aliens didn't bring any weapons they were beaten back pretty hard. They were just explorers

[toxic relic]

i disagree with that generalisation

[last spoke]

Oh honey no

[mellow birch]

they’re saying that both sides waging total war makes it somehow less distasteful

[toxic relic]

dont fw with that mitigated understanding either

[mellow birch]

which I disagree with

[bronze moat]

I mean, humans fired the first shot. But like any well written drama that plays on tropes like Fascism, etc. at some point the line between good and bad blurs. On all sides of the conflict

[eternal flax]

That’s what I was saying even though the humans are the ultimate bad guys all sides are kinda committing atrocities aside from the bugs cause they’re like animals and big dumb

[toxic relic]

[mellow birch]

yeah, same.

[last spoke]

The Squids are an intelligence seeking race.
They approached super earth with a peace offering from the get go

[eternal flax]

The humans are still the bad guys

Waugh

[last spoke]

SE said "Look, they have really big bombs, we need to kill them all"

[mellow birch]

they’re not saying it’s morally equivalent though

[last spoke]

(Absolutely no evidence backs up the "they got big bombs" claim)

[neat moat]

atrocities are inherent to war. But to the degree and reason for waging it is not

[last spoke]

Super Earth is 100% the bad guys

[toxic relic]

its evident that people read and understand information very differently haha

[mellow birch]

ah, cool

I didn’t know that

ty for the illuninate lore

[toxic relic]

some people listening to the church of the eternal flame in witcher like "yeah, i like this"

https://tenor.com/view/summon-hot-dog-sausage-tgfbro-bucket-gif-3469344201512737896

[neat moat]

idk what that is but fire is cool so theyre probably chill

oh wait

[toxic relic]

[eternal flax]

Well yeah but murdering civilians regardless of if you’re the victim or not is not correct. Super Earth is facist scum but that also doesn’t give the illuminate the right to kill innocents that aren’t in the military

[toxic relic]

theyre not chill

[bronze moat]

Yep. no real good guys in Warhammer. No real good guys in helldivers.

Closest you can get in warhammer are green space marines, and closest you get in helldivers are SEAF.

I view those factions as the most ethical.

Both universes tho are centralized around a "machine" that is keeping a system going, at the cost of a lot of warfare.

[toxic relic]

the opposite of chill

[neat moat]

I guess you could say theyre.... burning with hatetred

[toxic relic]

this sets up a "perfect victim" concept which i heavily disagree with

[eternal flax]

Jiffy’s favorite thing is Attack on Titan I am a big proponent of “Genocide does not justify a genocide”

[toxic relic]

no one or people is a 'perfect victim'

that doesnt mean theres "no good guys"

[mellow birch]

I disagree with that being the main point of AoT

it read as really defeatist to me

[eternal flax]

I didn’t say that was the main point

[mellow birch]

like, fascism is inevitable

[eternal flax]

But that is one of its messages

No matter how much you suffer you can’t allow yourself to stoop to the level of your oppressors

[mellow birch]

well why did it portray the “euthanization plan” as the least horrible option? Sterilizing an entire people is still genocidal

[bronze moat]

I also disagree with the perfect victim concept. and yet we can reasonably claim that 100% of all war, forever, used that concept as justification for war. But we should not discuss too many IRL politics even when talking about warhammer or helldivers

[oblique stream]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-ned-coming-right-for-us-gif-14807658

[neat moat]

idk I think the haitian revolution was a reasonable crash out

[dry stag]

Guys, is multiplayer only for b41?

[icy vigil]

Waugh

[toxic relic]

the "fascism is inevitable" or "the world is out to get us and thus we must be outweigh its violence with even bigger violence" is a tenant of very bad philosophy haha

[last spoke]

Well it's certainly not in B42 right now

[toxic relic]

mate haha

[last spoke]

Judging by the channel name

[dry stag]

Sorry man, I’m newish

[eternal flax]

Go on

[last spoke]

I'm no man

[toxic relic]

i cant talk about this without going fully p word but goddamn

[dry stag]

Wait a god damn min

[toxic relic]

"dont resist oppression, it makes you just as bad"
that doesnt even make sense

[bronze moat]

He didn't ask it right, so I can't post the meme I saved on my phone....

[eternal flax]

I meant to reply to someone else sorry

[dry stag]

No wait

[eternal flax]

That’s not what I said

[mellow birch]

I think that if you want lasting peace you have to avoid stooping to the level of your oppressors, but depending on their level of determination to hold onto power that might be impossible

[dry stag]

Do you recognize me?

[bronze moat]

@eternal flax Look!

[dry stag]

We used to play!

[eternal flax]

Wah

[dry stag]

On tf2!

[mellow birch]

he’s talking about the excesses of war and repression, I think

[dry stag]

Me and another friend

[mellow birch]

not the act of resistance itself

[dry stag]

Me you and another friend

[eternal flax]

Maybe

[mellow birch]

even militant resistance

[dry stag]

Remember?

[eternal flax]

Meesa small brained

[last spoke]

I don't think rolling over and dying counts as lasting peace
It counts as being dead

[dry stag]

And you like gifted me and him stuff

And you like

[bronze moat]

Spiffo Momma visited again with her babby spiffs

[dry stag]

You have me added on steam!

[mellow birch]

I agree

[eternal flax]

FRIENDS

[mellow birch]

which is why I think lasting peace isn’t possible at every moment

[dry stag]

Oh 😦

[mellow birch]

we have to deal with the reality we’re dealt, and that means resistance

[eternal flax]

I haven’t had tf2 in my mind for a while I will have to do some memory research

[dry stag]

Nether have I man, I haven’t played ina solid 6 months

[last spoke]

"Let's meet in the middle" says the oppressor
You take a step forwards, the oppressor takes a step back.
"Let's meet in the middle" says the oppressor.

[mellow birch]

I’m well aware of this dynamic

[dry stag]

Why won’t it lemme send photos

[toxic relic]

that is how it goes indeed

[mellow birch]

the oppressor sets the tone to the degree of resistance necessary to make things better at all

[dry stag]

Jiffy jelly, check my account! You see you have me added?

[mellow birch]

but to make things right you can’t just repeat the oppressor’s actions, play the same game

[bronze moat]

Before my mom died spiffo 1.0 nested under that deck.

Saw him every single day before he passed away a couple months ago curled up under the window in his hiding spot.

So spiffo mom and her babies might decide to nest there or under the neighbors house

[toxic relic]

project zomboid

[mellow birch]

you have to change the tone

you can’t make the world right in every moment

you can just try to make it better

and that means surviving and standing up for people in need

[last spoke]

There's hundreds of this format and this one looked really funny

[toxic relic]

i think we should stop this otherwise everyone will get muted when the mods check the logs haha

[mellow birch]

probably

[dry stag]

Well uh

[mellow birch]

I saw two or three people get nuked earlier

[dry stag]

I’m intruding on another conversation

My apologies yall

See ya

[last spoke]

It's alright, we have ADHD

[eternal flax]

Yeah don’t think jiffy supports genocide I just support people ending the cycle of violence and learning from conflict instead of constantly repeating it

[mellow birch]

we don’t own the chat my guy

[eternal flax]

Don’t kill civilians smhhh

[mellow birch]

it’s okay

[eternal flax]

[bronze moat]

U R jiffy

[oblique stream]

Frogski will never kill me

[neat moat]

I would

[mellow birch]

Jiffy is giving a basic perspective

[neat moat]

hell Id do it for free

[oblique stream]

For free?

[last spoke]

You'd never manage

[mellow birch]

but not a pro genocidal one, even if it’s a convenient line of reasoning for people who are trying to make false equivalencies

[eternal flax]

Is disliking Genocide a basic perspective

[neat moat]

oh yee of little faith

[eternal flax]

I’m sorry I didn’t realize it was that controversial

[mellow birch]

lol

[neat moat]

we should move on 👁 👁

[oblique stream]

Frogski is payed for his assassinations of political figures in this chat and you do it for free

[last spoke]

I've no faith any but my own

[mellow birch]

that’s not what I’m calling basic

but unironically?

being anti genocide should be basic

so you’re in good company there my guy

[eternal flax]

[icy vigil]

Waugh

[strange beacon]

hello chat, i see the topic of discussion today is the morality behind whatever idk i wasn’t paying attention lol

how’s it going

[neat moat]

its going gud

[strange beacon]

oh i triggered the bot, lol

[oblique stream]

Triggering spiff bot is not bad

[icy vigil]

you mean g2a

[prime thorn]

If possible, please avoid grey market sellers like that one.
Instead, use a site like https://isthereanydeal.com to find the best price, since it only lists authorized sellers.

It's obviously entirely up to you where you buy the game from, but none of the money you pay for PZ on unauthorized sellers and grey market sites goes to the people making the game.
If that's basically what you said, I'm sorry, I'm just a bot that can't see context, beep boop.

[oblique stream]

Unlike triggering automod

[ebon rapids]

i hate being tired but not able to sleep

[icy vigil]

why would anyone talk about g2a

[prime thorn]

If possible, please avoid grey market sellers like that one.
Instead, use a site like https://isthereanydeal.com to find the best price, since it only lists authorized sellers.

It's obviously entirely up to you where you buy the game from, but none of the money you pay for PZ on unauthorized sellers and grey market sites goes to the people making the game.
If that's basically what you said, I'm sorry, I'm just a bot that can't see context, beep boop.

[toxic relic]

what about leon

[quasi slate]

hey guys please stop talking about g2a

[oblique stream]

I mean g2a

[prime thorn]

If possible, please avoid grey market sellers like that one.
Instead, use a site like https://isthereanydeal.com to find the best price, since it only lists authorized sellers.

It's obviously entirely up to you where you buy the game from, but none of the money you pay for PZ on unauthorized sellers and grey market sites goes to the people making the game.
If that's basically what you said, I'm sorry, I'm just a bot that can't see context, beep boop.

[prime thorn]

If possible, please avoid grey market sellers like that one.
Instead, use a site like https://isthereanydeal.com to find the best price, since it only lists authorized sellers.

It's obviously entirely up to you where you buy the game from, but none of the money you pay for PZ on unauthorized sellers and grey market sites goes to the people making the game.
If that's basically what you said, I'm sorry, I'm just a bot that can't see context, beep boop.

[eternal flax]

WAUGH

SILENCE

[strange beacon]

oh god 😭

[maiden lake]

g2/

[last spoke]

Oh yeah Leon would go for the jugular with no hesitation

[maiden lake]

g2a

[prime thorn]

If possible, please avoid grey market sellers like that one.
Instead, use a site like https://isthereanydeal.com to find the best price, since it only lists authorized sellers.

It's obviously entirely up to you where you buy the game from, but none of the money you pay for PZ on unauthorized sellers and grey market sites goes to the people making the game.
If that's basically what you said, I'm sorry, I'm just a bot that can't see context, beep boop.

[maiden lake]

yay

[oblique stream]

G2a deez nuts

[prime thorn]

If possible, please avoid grey market sellers like that one.
Instead, use a site like https://isthereanydeal.com to find the best price, since it only lists authorized sellers.

It's obviously entirely up to you where you buy the game from, but none of the money you pay for PZ on unauthorized sellers and grey market sites goes to the people making the game.
If that's basically what you said, I'm sorry, I'm just a bot that can't see context, beep boop.

[toxic relic]

you need to stop talking about that site...
sites such as kinguin

[strange beacon]

tupper whyyyyyyy

[prime thorn]

If possible, please avoid grey market sellers like that one.
Instead, use a site like https://isthereanydeal.com to find the best price, since it only lists authorized sellers.

It's obviously entirely up to you where you buy the game from, but none of the money you pay for PZ on unauthorized sellers and grey market sites goes to the people making the game.
If that's basically what you said, I'm sorry, I'm just a bot that can't see context, beep boop.

[oblique stream]

Gottem

[mellow birch]

attack on titan, warhammer 40k, helldivers, and adjacent real world questions

[neat moat]

what in the g2a is going on

[prime thorn]

If possible, please avoid grey market sellers like that one.
Instead, use a site like https://isthereanydeal.com to find the best price, since it only lists authorized sellers.

It's obviously entirely up to you where you buy the game from, but none of the money you pay for PZ on unauthorized sellers and grey market sites goes to the people making the game.
If that's basically what you said, I'm sorry, I'm just a bot that can't see context, beep boop.

[mellow birch]

it going good tho

[maiden lake]

for fun

[ebon rapids]

anyone wanna play fast food sim with me?

[neat moat]

whats that

[ebon rapids]

its fast food sim

[eternal flax]

[neat moat]

very enlightening

[oblique stream]

I need to buy key on g2a for that game

[prime thorn]

If possible, please avoid grey market sellers like that one.
Instead, use a site like https://isthereanydeal.com to find the best price, since it only lists authorized sellers.

It's obviously entirely up to you where you buy the game from, but none of the money you pay for PZ on unauthorized sellers and grey market sites goes to the people making the game.
If that's basically what you said, I'm sorry, I'm just a bot that can't see context, beep boop.

[last spoke]

Wasn't that the one that showed up on my store page yesterday with Generative AI thumbnails?

[strange beacon]

is it on g2a?

[prime thorn]

If possible, please avoid grey market sellers like that one.
Instead, use a site like https://isthereanydeal.com to find the best price, since it only lists authorized sellers.

It's obviously entirely up to you where you buy the game from, but none of the money you pay for PZ on unauthorized sellers and grey market sites goes to the people making the game.
If that's basically what you said, I'm sorry, I'm just a bot that can't see context, beep boop.

[neat moat]

guys stop before mods see 😭

[eternal flax]

stop mentioning the forbidden words!!!

[ebon rapids]

wanna just get it for free?

[oblique stream]

Leon cant kill me

[eternal flax]

Say G3A

[oblique stream]

No

[ebon rapids]

why not?

[mellow birch]

they will cover up my thought crimes

let them

c:<

[neat moat]

ITS 15 BUCKS

whos paying you

[last spoke]

Like, if the devs couldn't be bothered to take a damn screenshot of the game for the store page and need to use fucken genAI for it, that shit is not worth my time

[eternal flax]

[oblique stream]

I can buy it if I want to

And I dont want to buy another slop tycoon

[eternal flax]

Is someone begging for a free game

[ebon rapids]

i was just gonna pirate it

[oblique stream]

Or sim

[neat moat]

ah

[ebon rapids]

im broke

[neat moat]

well if its wasn't 2am I would

unfortunately no

[oblique stream]

Now we're talking

[ebon rapids]

if you pirate it with me we can play tugetha

[oblique stream]

Pirating is better than g2a

[prime thorn]

If possible, please avoid grey market sellers like that one.
Instead, use a site like https://isthereanydeal.com to find the best price, since it only lists authorized sellers.

It's obviously entirely up to you where you buy the game from, but none of the money you pay for PZ on unauthorized sellers and grey market sites goes to the people making the game.
If that's basically what you said, I'm sorry, I'm just a bot that can't see context, beep boop.

[eternal flax]

What game

[oblique stream]

Since you can get a lot of booty as a pirate

[ebon rapids]

fast food simulator

[eternal flax]

Why would you want that

Just play a tycoon on Roblox or something

Stinky

[toxic relic]

roblox ass

[neat moat]

chef showdown is better

[ebon rapids]

this is cool though

[oblique stream]

Who plays roblox

[eternal flax]

Not me anymore

It became child exploitation

[oblique stream]

And how is child labor better than simulator slop

[neat moat]

guys stop bullying nova she just whats a friend to play with 😭

[oblique stream]

Labour

[eternal flax]

Jiffy can offer ultimate chicken horse

[quasi slate]

hmm cdkeys

[toxic relic]

play spess

[last spoke]

Real talk
Generative AI images have been the worst thing to happen to modding literally fucking ever

I can't browse the Vintage Story mod database anymore because half of it triggers a fucking fight or flight response and by the time I actually find something that seems cool I'm about to be sick

[oblique stream]

Mmm, g2a

[prime thorn]

If possible, please avoid grey market sellers like that one.
Instead, use a site like https://isthereanydeal.com to find the best price, since it only lists authorized sellers.

It's obviously entirely up to you where you buy the game from, but none of the money you pay for PZ on unauthorized sellers and grey market sites goes to the people making the game.
If that's basically what you said, I'm sorry, I'm just a bot that can't see context, beep boop.

[toxic relic]

space station 13

its free and online

[eternal flax]

WATYYYYGHH

[last spoke]

Can y'all fucking stop triggering the bot, it's making chat so hard to follow

[mellow birch]

I’m sorry to hear that. Generative AI images irk me too but it doesn’t trigger me to that degree

[oblique stream]

Pz modding is garbage because of gen ai

[neat moat]

https://tenor.com/view/zedorfska-ss13-space-station-13-space-station-i-insist-gif-10778871076554691980

[quasi slate]

hmm eneba

[mellow birch]

must suck to deal with

[last spoke]

Uncanny valley hits us hard

[quasi slate]

hmm kinguin

[prime thorn]

If possible, please avoid grey market sellers like that one.
Instead, use a site like https://isthereanydeal.com to find the best price, since it only lists authorized sellers.

It's obviously entirely up to you where you buy the game from, but none of the money you pay for PZ on unauthorized sellers and grey market sites goes to the people making the game.
If that's basically what you said, I'm sorry, I'm just a bot that can't see context, beep boop.

[oblique stream]

Like I genuinely cant search for mods without seeing some oversaturated ai image

[eternal flax]

The PZ workshop is ruined by AI thumbnails now

[neat moat]

guys pls

[oblique stream]

!hana

[prime thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1079967390957305857/1079972551389872168/unknown-3.png

[last spoke]

Spiffo bot is forked from Mee6 right? That had a global cooldown on its commands

[eternal flax]

Why can’t we be like the Gmod workshop where all the thumbnails are crappy ragdoll screenshots

[last spoke]

Surely they can apply one

[toxic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/ss14-space-station-14-ss13-space-station-13-clowning-gif-5914733678435225993

[oblique stream]

It has a cool down on other direct commands

Like !heli

!heli

[prime thorn]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZzlsOXN3MHk0ZjlxOGJ1cjljaDY2Z21sc2picnY2bGx2YWJlN2J1MCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Ph6fJcTmKGZq6KOauO/giphy.gif

[eternal flax]

[quasi slate]

@grok can you make this gif hyper realistic

[eternal flax]

Jiffy still can’t post gifs

[toxic relic]

stop

[neat moat]

what in the god damn

[toxic relic]

poopy's brain is rotted

truly lost in the sauce

it started with fortnite

[quasi slate]

alibaba

[neat moat]

at this point grok might just call you a slur

[toxic relic]

im going to forget that word