general_chat

[frail shadow]

stick a howitzer on a plane

[polar kernel]

they did that

[frail shadow]

they’ve done it

[stable oar]

you can own basically anything if you ask for permission first

[frail shadow]

yep

[stable oar]

and pay an extortion fee

[polar kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/ac130-gunship-gunshots-gif-13733274

yippee i love the ac130

[frail shadow]

ac 130 instead of healthcare is a good trade off

[polar kernel]

my house is in the path of their pattern so they go over it all the time

[frail shadow]

quadruple the defense budget

[polar kernel]

its really awesome when they take off and are like 400 feet above my fucking house while im napping

[frail shadow]

they’re so cool

but also ridiculous

[rain mango]

its the opposite for me, you can own working ammo but not the vehicles 😭

[harsh vault]

do you sleep on the airport

[frail shadow]

coolest thing we have here is rusty F16s

[toxic relic]

america is an airport

the amount flight tests conducted over civillian airspace is insane

[frail shadow]

not much worth keeping around down there

[stable oar]

"civilian airspace"? huh

[frail shadow]

america is basically GTA

[toxic relic]

yeah

[willow blaze]

Only the inner cities

[polar kernel]

hey everyone complains till the base shuts down and rent doubles

[toxic relic]

nah

[polar kernel]

theres a reason housing is cheap af around bases

[rain mango]

WAIT. i can own ammo, you can own the vehicles. i have an idea

😈

[willow blaze]

They’ll make you decommission the guns

[rain mango]

oh....

[frail shadow]

if only

[rain mango]

no going to poland then i guess

[toxic relic]

lets scrap sex ed so they have a bunch of kids that we can turn into soldiers and use them as cannon fodder for neo imperialism

no healthcare? no problem

[willow blaze]

No Poland is cool. I have a buddy there who owns an mp7, can’t even get that shit in the US

[toxic relic]

theyre just tools anyways

[polar kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/getting-political-now-are-we-gif-26908217

[toxic relic]

okay a train

[frail shadow]

kids ?

[toxic relic]

yes

[stable oar]

[citation needed]

[toxic relic]

you should be following my sarcasm

[rain mango]

why? you can own tanks but not mp7????

[frail shadow]

sorry it’s late

[polar kernel]

you can its just egregiously hard to get H&K weapons to the US unmodified

[stable oar]

no his source is pulled from ass

[polar kernel]

theyre really fucking weird about their imports

[willow blaze]

The MP7 specifically is only because HK doesn’t wanna sell to us lol

HK HATES the civilian market

[polar kernel]

HK pisses me off by making the coolest guns imaginable and not selling them to civilians

[frail shadow]

you people don’t need these things

[willow blaze]

Shush European

[frail shadow]

just keep banging your rocks together

[polar kernel]

like u got 2 choices buster i either pay a billion dollars for it or i incite a war with a country who issues them and get one anyway

which way, western man

[willow blaze]

Or be a police officer. They get those, some of them

Usually swat

[rose kestrel]

can charge governments/organizations $87,000 per gun but not really civies

[frail shadow]

we can’t have anything over 22 calibre here

not that i’d want anything above 22

[rain mango]

ohhh. where i am, i cant own stuff as crazy as tanks but you can own few cool things like a functioning 120mm anti aircraft cannon.

sorry officer, i used my anti aircraft on the burglar 😞

[frail shadow]

i genuinely believe long range weapons are for pussies

[willow blaze]

That’s badass

[polar kernel]

sometimes i really understand the argument that not everyone should have guns cause i absolutely shouldnt be allowed near them

i have full time unrestricted access to a loaded firearm woohoo!

[rose kestrel]

a most devious lick

[rain mango]

LOL

[rain mango]

wut

[polar kernel]

nah but in all seriousness im very serious about gun safety

[toxic relic]

if you want to own a gun

make one

[polar kernel]

im always such a joy when me and my friends go to the range cause i have like 3 fucking bags full of guns and ammo and they all bring like, a single handgun

[rose kestrel]

i was lived in Poland it would be time to steal a BTR or T 54 or something

[polar kernel]

and i will WATCH and every time they do something stupid im just waiting like a hawk to fix it

[rain mango]

im willing to spend a couple years in jail

if i get to ride around in that for a couple days

[polar kernel]

im so so so close to buying a benelli its unreal

lord forgive me

[frail shadow]

but why

[polar kernel]

i need gods most reliable semi auto shotgun

[frail shadow]

will you use it ?

[polar kernel]

its so cool

[frail shadow]

it is

[polar kernel]

for fun yes

[frail shadow]

i feel like there are other fun things

[rose kestrel]

you are nato weapons inspectors looking to replace outddated weapons with Nato ones then all of a sudden BTR or T 54 goes missing

[polar kernel]

mag fed shotguns make me sick to my stomach

[willow blaze]

I fucking love shotguns

[polar kernel]

more jam than a fucking smuckers factory

[frail shadow]

I don’t know about that

do they jam ?

[polar kernel]

GOD i hate mag fed shotguns

[frail shadow]

i thought you kept the reliability of a pump shotgun + a magazine

it makes sense

[willow blaze]

The magazine itself is the issue

You’re not gonna fix that because you pump

[polar kernel]

theres near no benefit to the mag just get a bigger tube rookie

[frail shadow]

yeah but when that tube is empty you take 12 business days reloading

what’s the absolute max anyways

like 12 ?

[willow blaze]

I plan on doing either a Benneli m4 or an mp5 in 10mm for my home defense gun

[polar kernel]

u can get some ridiculously big tubes for specifically a benelli lmao

[frail shadow]

like how big

[polar kernel]

like 11+1

[willow blaze]

Yeah it’s crazy

[polar kernel]

its so goofy looking tho

i would never

[frail shadow]

im not super into guns but i like the spas 12

[neon bramble]

what's your take on the KSG and it's double tube antics

[frail shadow]

any decent person would

[polar kernel]

KILL

I HATE KELTEC

[neon bramble]

I love keltec

[rose kestrel]

whats your take on the 40mm buckshot shell?

[polar kernel]

STOP

it hurts my heart

[harsh vault]

keltec try not to make an irl H3VR gun

[young kelp]

so apparently, spinal injuries are NOT lethal in this game

[heavy ivy]

keltec is awesome

[quick sparrow]

This thing is cool

[polar kernel]

do not

no

[neon bramble]

imma be real the plastic clip made me cringe but that's just keltec being keltec

[quick sparrow]

However, imagine if it made a ping

[neon bramble]

so I warmed up to it

[polar kernel]

i wish mini14's werent fuddbait and were actually affordable these days

[neon bramble]

god bless the men who only ask if they could but not if they should

[harsh vault]

my fav keltec is the 5-7

[polar kernel]

such a cool gun ruined by oldheads wanting to prove a point

[harsh vault]

mini 14 mentioned?!

[polar kernel]

cant wait for them to all die so i can buy them from estate sales

[neon bramble]

the real hustle

[polar kernel]

there isnt a single mini 14 owner under the age of 70 so

not long now!

[willow blaze]

Just get an AR lol

[gritty drift]

[willow blaze]

Mini 14 doesn’t offer a whole lot that an AR doesn’t

[polar kernel]

i HAVE an AR but the mini 14 is so iconic

[willow blaze]

Oh fair

[polar kernel]

its more of a flex than anything

id bastardize it too

give me an optic rail mmmm yes

[willow blaze]

As the good Lord intended

[quick sparrow]

It's gonna look like one of those pistols they use at the Olympics by the time you're done

[polar kernel]

the only thing worth putting on it would be like a gen 1 compm4

to fit the vibe

[willow blaze]

I wanna get a belt fed conversion kit and an FRT and make the illest AR build you ever did see

[polar kernel]

i love the stupid fucking belt fed 22s i see

so funny

PLINKPLINKPLINKPLINKPLINK

[willow blaze]

Now that’s a range toy

[polar kernel]

imagine getting run down by that 💔

[lilac quarry]

[neon bramble]

I could own a semi automatic belt fed conversion of an AR

[polar kernel]

"22 is barely lethal" mfs when i send 150 rounds of gods shittiest lead slop downrange

[dim cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chat-cat-fall-hello-chat-cat-gif-24961178

[neon bramble]

but that's a gray area and I dont think the cops will like me trying

[willow blaze]

Exactly, that’s why I’m going to make it. Anyone who breaks into my house WILL NOT be making it up the stairs God willing

[polar kernel]

i can see my front door from my bedroom they aint even making it inside

im pixel peeking like its siege in my underwear

[rose kestrel]

Rainbow Six Siege

[willow blaze]

Oh dude if I had prep time I could make my house into a fortress. Fill my living room with barbed wire and hold a pixel peak on the front door

Ez pz

[polar kernel]

theyll never know about the tannerite garden gnomes

[willow blaze]

They won’t even make it past my toe poppers. (.308 rounds stuck into the ground connected to a pressure pad and firing pin)

[rose kestrel]

neither will friends or family

[willow blaze]

They know better not to walk in my grass

[rose kestrel]

neighbors dog gets free and walks on your lawn and gets blown up

[willow blaze]

Well then a certain agency would be sending me a job application

[onyx igloo]

I think I was sitting in an old house for too long
It smelled like cigarettes and now my throat feels burnt

[rose kestrel]

Home Owners Association sends a PMC on your ass thats secretly involved in Black OPS

[young kelp]

just like bugs on the road

[rose kestrel]

you naming your colonists after people here?

[young kelp]

yes

we recently got a Hussar and a few normal humans

wanna pick a poison on who you want to be?

[dim cloak]

please name the Hussar Sabaton

https://tenor.com/view/sabaton-history-wawa-cat-winged-hussars-gif-1548064404993932937

[ruby river]

hi chat!

[rose kestrel]

its your world

[ruby river]

what are those centipede bugs

[young kelp]

Megapedes

basically a menace against melee

[ruby river]

woah...

[young kelp]

and the tank of the bugs, tho not tanky enough against a car

[void bolt]

Id there any youtubers people recommend? I want to start getting into this again (I was awful this first time I tried playong) uf this is the wrong place to ask or against the rules please let me know!

[toxic relic]

youtubers for what

[young kelp]

stats of a live one

[toxic relic]

to learn the game?

its hard since everyone has pieces of misinformation

[young kelp]

I forgot which PZ youtuber I used to look for guides

[toxic relic]

watching a youtuber may not be the best idea

[young kelp]

also cause most guides are old af

[toxic relic]

real

i think id just jump into the game

fuck around on low pop settings and work up

[young kelp]

you can use it as some kind of guide, but it won't be the most accurate guide

might even be detrimental

[toxic relic]

indeed

[void bolt]

Alr good to know thank you!

[toxic relic]

👍

[young kelp]

last PZ content I watched was from the Nurse I think

[toxic relic]

just focus stealth, conga line zombies and fuck around

im a wiki reading man myself but using that knowledge in game is best

[neon bramble]

conga gets pretty far

build is mostly to taste

[harsh vault]

bird!

[heavy ivy]

haha yeah, let me show you chuckleheads how to conga

[neon bramble]

floof!

[harsh vault]

riley!

[heavy ivy]

hai floof

[harsh vault]

haiii

:3

[heavy ivy]

petpetpet

[toxic relic]

chucklefuck is such a good word

[harsh vault]

w<

[toxic relic]

what's up chucklefucks

[neon bramble]

ok chucklefuck

[harsh vault]

chucklenuckle

[rain mango]

i hereby make you concious of your breathing

[harsh vault]

@icy vigil SHARK

[heavy ivy]

the shark

[harsh vault]

RILEY

[heavy ivy]

hewoo

[harsh vault]

woof!

[icy vigil]

WHERE

[harsh vault]

here

[icy vigil]

[rose kestrel]

don't buy the olmlypia go for the m14 first

[heavy ivy]

mrrrawrrr :3

[candid patio]

the people in my apartment building are hungry little scavengers and it makes me laugh

[heavy ivy]

[harsh vault]

happens

[candid patio]

there's this spot in the lobby where we leave shit we don't want and no matter what i leave down there, its gone in like an hour

[harsh vault]

homeless people slappy

[candid patio]

makes me feel like i'm dumb and i should have sold it

its not homeless people its a secure lobby in a luxury building

[harsh vault]

oh yeah

ur a rich bich

[candid patio]

today i left a bathroom scale, some little combination lock boxes that you can like put a key inside of, and an old moving blanket

[rose kestrel]

Tenpenny Tower?

[candid patio]

lol no

someone left a fake plant down there and i went upstairs to ask my wife if she wanted it and by the time i got back it was gone

it was a cute plant too 😦

[rose kestrel]

secret listening and spying device on the plant

[candid patio]

how's everyone doing tonight?

[harsh vault]

i got new name beside my name

so i happi

[candid patio]

my apartment went from 90% unpacked to like 95% unpacked tonight, and it felt really good

[candid patio]

that's not just something you added yourself?

[harsh vault]

i did

[noble brook]

i think my dumbass character is infected already

[toxic relic]

gratz on unpacking mate, its a hassle

im good, off today which is fucking sick

how are you?

white lotus is insane, i like severance better

[candid patio]

thank you! we lost like 700 sqft in the move so this last 10% has been really challenging.

[toxic relic]

the first season was peak but watching season 3 its...less peak

[polar kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/jade-ahn-i-cant-take-it-real-gif-1511292179877281764

[toxic relic]

ah thats tough

my only advice is getting/making a lot of shelves

lmao

old army crates work great too ngl

[candid patio]

hahaha yeah. so many hooks

[noble brook]

call me b42 the way i'm severely unstable

[candid patio]

2 big full size wardrobes in weird places.

some metal rack shelves

[onyx igloo]

happy mothers day to the mothers of mothers of mothers and mothers

mothers

[candid patio]

over the back of the toilet shelves

[toxic relic]

real

[onyx igloo]

toolet

[stiff geyser]

Skibidi toilet

[onyx igloo]

kill

now

[stiff geyser]

[onyx igloo]

Caesar him

Poke him with knives

More than poke though

[rose kestrel]

suddenly the whole house has no wifi

[toxic relic]

et tu, squidward

then fall, fred

[candid patio]

i hope you had a good day off

[onyx igloo]

It

It smells like cow shit

Help

[toxic relic]

its only 2 pm, its good so far

might bar later

[onyx igloo]

The farmers are here and they spread cow shit

[candid patio]

i feel super accomplished. house is really coming together. wife did 30 minutes on the treadmill, first time its been used in the new apartment

i was scared that it got damaged in the move

[toxic relic]

aye

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-emperors-new-groove-its-all-coming-together-gif-12813012

[candid patio]

but it seemed fine for my wife's 30 minutes

[toxic relic]

should be good then

[onyx igloo]

I ate too much icecream

[candid patio]

its like a $3k treadmill and the movers were not respecting it like i needed them to

[onyx igloo]

I feel like shit

But it was mint oreo icecream

[toxic relic]

if it cant take a few hits then

[candid patio]

that sounds tasty

[toxic relic]

its a shitty treadmill

[rose kestrel]

Squidward that will go staight to your thighs..... And then you will explode

[candid patio]

lol fair.

[toxic relic]

oh its you

[candid patio]

its a precor

[toxic relic]

you change profiles a lot

precor

[onyx igloo]

Very real information

The explosion happens on the toilet

However

[harsh vault]

alot do

[frail shadow]

you guys will change your picture and name and i’ll have no idea who you are

[onyx igloo]

I have good profiles and the police on my tail

[harsh vault]

i rarely change my profile (my art takes months to finish)

[onyx igloo]

eh see?

[candid patio]

i only have this profile

[frail shadow]

you art ?

[toxic relic]

you do not, and they are not

[frail shadow]

you do like commissions

[harsh vault]

i commission, but i pay for very expensive shit, so they take a bit

[onyx igloo]

1. Asshole 2. True

[toxic relic]

real

[ruby river]

wowzers

[onyx igloo]

Can I skip to the tradesmen jobs and not do the retail bullshit

[ruby river]

did you guys get your moms anything for mothers day

[onyx igloo]

Is that optional in the job market

Or do I have to like level up

[toxic relic]

my mom is dead

so no

[frail shadow]

my presence is the present

im a great son

[harsh vault]

yems

[onyx igloo]

my idiocy is the entertainment to my mother

[ruby river]

my dad put flowers on his moms grave for mothers day

[toxic relic]

why

theyre dead

[onyx igloo]

why not

[frail shadow]

what do you mean why

[toxic relic]

not like they'd appreciate it

[frail shadow]

this dude is fucking stupid

let’s just kill him

[onyx igloo]

sometimes

its a gamble

[toxic relic]

[naive flicker]

Date night <3

[rose kestrel]

squidwards mom..... never hugged him

[frail shadow]

i just ate a bunch of meatballs i don’t feel so good

[onyx igloo]

you roll the dice if he spouts bullshit or speaks truth

[naive flicker]

Squidward is real asf tho

[frail shadow]

rarely speaks truth

[toxic relic]

you don't understand my vision

[naive flicker]

All i want is some peace ffs

[toxic relic]

one day

[onyx igloo]

He ate balls hehe

[frail shadow]

trust you will be dealt

with

[rose kestrel]

bad ending, you told the psychiatrist the truth

[onyx igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405782859446747146/1370503052972527646/undefined_-_Imgur.mp4?ex=68225eee&is=68210d6e&hm=f904bd8c128891cfa1eef6b8be4ea5a9894d2fe1e74089c0a4dc529dd594b547&

This is fire

[rain mango]

[naive flicker]

Not a bad ending if it's a date night

[young kelp]

Colony progress before its first year, things are now stable

[rose kestrel]

shes not real, it was a hologram/hallcination to get you inside

[young kelp]

for now

I should start working on them whiskey production

[naive flicker]

She's real

[young kelp]

Does you want a colonist to be named after you, we have a psycho sango

[rose kestrel]

maybe 2D but not 3D

[naive flicker]

Oh for sure

I'd like to

[young kelp]

this guy or do you want to see the other options

[candid patio]

do you have a pacifist that is good at crafting / farming / construction?

[young kelp]

not a pacifist sadly, closest thing we have

I don't think I managed to capture anyone that can't fight

[candid patio]

that looks a lot like me

[naive flicker]

I think being smart is cool

[candid patio]

i like the incapable of dumb labor lol

[naive flicker]

Knowledge is the key to success

[candid patio]

those colonists usually go to the medical research lab... as test subjects

[young kelp]

Oh yea slappy is also the mechlink holder

[candid patio]

what's that?

the mechlink

[young kelp]

allows you to control mechs

[candid patio]

cool!

[young kelp]

one of them

currently still have low capacity link, but in the long run it'll be capable of holding all kinds of mechs

[candid patio]

@toxic relic ay farty do you know about skin care products?

[ruby river]

Chat, I conquered the cannibal plains and restored Deadcat

Where should I take my entourage now

[candid patio]

free the slaves

[rose kestrel]

5000, those are rookie numbers

[rose kestrel]

fish island and start a sushi biz

[ruby river]

I'm heading to the anti slavers right now to ally them

you think i should set up my base in UC territory?

[naive flicker]

tfym 5000 is decent

[rose kestrel]

gotta ramble an entire dictionary these days just to stand out

[harsh vault]

i do!

[naive flicker]

True...

[harsh vault]

hai poopyhead

[noble brook]

who the fuck has a shovel under their bathroom sink

[harsh vault]

i have a mini hoe there

irl

yes there is a reason

[rose kestrel]

when you have to fight off what ever crawls up and out of your pipes duh

[neat moat]

why stink specifically?

[noble brook]

im just shocked they fit it in there next to the bat

[harsh vault]

GHOTTTTIIIII!!

:3

[candid patio]

man the only thing i used lotion for at your age was... nevermind

[harsh vault]

uh

well you see

at "my age" i have like

[neat moat]

why do people use lotion

[harsh vault]

20 skin care products

[neat moat]

just go natural

[harsh vault]

floofie likes her skin

[neat moat]

seems weird

[harsh vault]

i not weird

[neat moat]

and why do you want it to smell like coconut

[candid patio]

what is it about eucerin that makes it so much different from other products?

[harsh vault]

i prefer roses

[noble brook]

ohhhhhhh i just remember this is a survivor house

that's why i've found four different types of knife in every cabinet

[harsh vault]

it just works

[toxic relic]

fuck no

[candid patio]

i have bad eczema and something about eucerin just melts that shit off

[neat moat]

dp you even have a skincare routine?

[toxic relic]

me? no lmao

[harsh vault]

i do!

[neat moat]

I see

[harsh vault]

i do i do i do!

[toxic relic]

i only use beard oil

[neat moat]

I could have seen you do either or

[neat moat]

oh well that's similar ig

[toxic relic]

dont know shit about skincare

all i know is using too much is just as bad as nothing

[neat moat]

nothing is bad?

I wouldn't say that

[toxic relic]

no idea

[neat moat]

too many variables

[candid patio]

beard oil... a general body lotion that i put on face, neck, hands, arms, ankles, and places that need it, but not all over, and only when it feels dry or cracked, and eucerin for my eczema and that's it

[noble brook]

the best part about zomboid is that if you fuck up you can just blame your character

[toxic relic]

more than me dude

[harsh vault]

blame yourself

[candid patio]

high five on the beard oil

[toxic relic]

real

[candid patio]

skincare people would lose their mind on me putting body lotion on my face

[neat moat]

I was gonna ask do you even have a beard but I remember youre not moe. Idk why I thought you were moe

[toxic relic]

gotta keep the stache and chops maintained

[toxic relic]

why?

its for the body

[candid patio]

i guess it gives you acne or something i dunno

[toxic relic]

is the face not the body

im a 3 in 1 soap guy

i dunno about this

[harsh vault]

stink do you use the 6 in 1 soap

[candid patio]

@harsh vault tell us why you don't put body lotion on your face

[toxic relic]

yes

[rose kestrel]

The sun is actually really bad for your skin, there is the technology to microscopically see the rays damage your skin in real time so protect it at all costs

[harsh vault]

because it makes ur skin go crusty there

[toxic relic]

my boyfriend laughs about it but i do have a 3 in 1

[neat moat]

isn't 6 in 1 basically a scam?

[toxic relic]

probably

dont care

[neat moat]

True

[candid patio]

my body lotion has a low spf, and i never go outside without a hat. when i lived in vegas i also had a long sleeve shirt and gloves policy for outside

[toxic relic]

if im clean and smell good i dont care about specifics

[neat moat]

but its cheaper to do separate. Or do what I do and just use conditioner

or was it shampoo?

[chrome jetty]

Kapow

Y’all are taking abt taking showers?

[toxic relic]

cheaper to do seperate

[neat moat]

yep

[toxic relic]

not here

[chrome jetty]

Ahh, not my area of expertise

😉

[neat moat]

more work sure but, I guess its too little to argue over

[candid patio]

aging has changed my perspective on that

[chrome jetty]

Nah we can argue abt a lot of shit

[toxic relic]

i only shill on cologne

[neat moat]

calone

[toxic relic]

i like the woody smells of expensive cologne

[neat moat]

interesting

[candid patio]

you ever meet some 90 year old person that has like open sores on their arms and shit?

[chrome jetty]

I use coyote urine for cologne

[candid patio]

and their paper thin skin

[toxic relic]

yeah

[rose kestrel]

don't you mean leathery?

[neat moat]

that sounds stupid enough to be real

[toxic relic]

i dont think i give a fuck about what ill look like at 90-if im still alive

[candid patio]

my skin is starting to do that. like if a stick pokes me it will leave one of those sores and i have to baby it for like a month before it heals nice

[chrome jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-mafia-mafia-money-gif-12714856527416165903

[toxic relic]

damn dude

got bad skin genetics

[chrome jetty]

My skin is really bad

[neat moat]

fuck genetics

[toxic relic]

real

[neat moat]

worst lottery

[toxic relic]

mod your genes man

[chrome jetty]

I blame my parents for my genetics

[rose kestrel]

just steal skin from skinwalkers

[toxic relic]

save the money youd spend on lotions and shit and use it to mod your genes

[neat moat]

do I look like I have the liquid to do that?

smh

[toxic relic]

liquid

[candid patio]

15 years ago I could like fall off my bike and scrape my knee real bad and it wouldn't leave a mark after like a week.

[neat moat]

liquid means money

[toxic relic]

liquidate your ass

[neat moat]

Basically

I should

[toxic relic]

im aware

its just funny

[chrome jetty]

I call money money, not liquid

[neat moat]

oh sometimes you dont know

always on my toes

[chrome jetty]

Like when I take a liquid shit, I don’t mean a money shit

[toxic relic]

you mean runny diarrhoea

[toxic relic]

real

[chrome jetty]

Same shit different smell

[toxic relic]

😔 true

[neat moat]

I hate that phrase of it

[toxic relic]

what phrase

[neat moat]

just do same story different setting

it works better too

[chrome jetty]

Eww

[rose kestrel]

your body no longer has that new organ smell you get from growing once you hit mid twenties your body is more susceptible to harm or any previously bad care it was in before.

[toxic relic]

nah, same shit different smell is better

[neat moat]

agree to disagree

[candid patio]

this so much. although i'm not familiar with "no organ smell."

[chrome jetty]

my body is a castle, and I’m a rocket propelled grenade

[neat moat]

I dont like thinking of poo

[toxic relic]

you're better off asking floofie about skincare, is the conclusion to your question, slappy

we changed topics

[chrome jetty]

Weirdo

[toxic relic]

i do not have any knowledge of skin

ill be a raisin man at 60 and im fine with that

[neat moat]

can you change the nature of a man 🧐

[harsh vault]

you arent?!

[candid patio]

I had a gout event in my big toe last year... shit took me out for 3 months

[rose kestrel]

i meant new organ smell like "new car smell" before mid twenties is your bodies prime

[chrome jetty]

No im@normal, u are weird

[toxic relic]

what

[candid patio]

i saw the edit and that made more sense

[toxic relic]

"bodies prime" doesnt exist

thats just when you stop developing

weird to call essentially puberty ones prime

[neat moat]

never stop developing

always improve

[candid patio]

well you know... if you aren't growing, you're dying.

[chrome jetty]

I’m a growing boy

[toxic relic]

im a grown man

[chrome jetty]

Thank god

[neat moat]

mature 🤓

[toxic relic]

real

[candid patio]

so your "prime" I feel like is right at that stage where you are transitioning from growth to decay

[toxic relic]

im glad to be slowly dying 🙏

[candid patio]

which I think is right around 25

[toxic relic]

weird

[neat moat]

25????

[rose kestrel]

the punishment your body takes after the growing phase is more harsh and deadly

[neat moat]

thata super young

[neon bramble]

I thought the goal was to be like your gramps that somehow has use of his knees at 70

[neat moat]

id rather ask a doctor that anyways

[vague abyss]

I js killed a zombie with something called a spiffo suit is that rare

[candid patio]

your brain and musculature are still developing long after 18

[chrome jetty]

Technically from the moment you are born you are already aging as your telomeres on the ends of your chromosomes are shortening with each replication

[toxic relic]

thats also a construct, the age of 'prime' differed depending on time and region

[neat moat]

long after 25 too

[toxic relic]

i think greco roman prime [for men] was around 40

[candid patio]

i'm a bit past 25... and I'm feeling some decay, friend.

my joints hurt

[toxic relic]

i cant wait to decompose

[chrome jetty]

Me neither, what’s so great about life anyway

[neon bramble]

aint that more career prime if we're talkin greco romans

[toxic relic]

cant come too soon

[toxic relic]

dunno

[chrome jetty]

I wake up, go to work, go home, play shitty games, rinse and repeat

[toxic relic]

nah, it was specifically referencing body

[chrome jetty]

Fucking pointless

[toxic relic]

real

[neon bramble]

huh where'd you find this

[candid patio]

welcome to the machine

[rose kestrel]

its more of genetics and different regions had different genetic destinies but they said they lived in Las Vegas and U.S. most of their life

[chrome jetty]

Fuck the machine. I’m tired of this

[neon bramble]

talking to my cousins suddenly got me interested in greco roman fitness influencers

[toxic relic]

i was reading a paper about men's sexual health in different times, ill try and look for it

[candid patio]

i'm very serious here when i say this.

the only way to escape the machine is to create your own, or not participate.

[chrome jetty]

I’ll chose the former

😉

[candid patio]

i know some non participants who live in some beautiful beach cities in california.

[chrome jetty]

Oh that’s what u meant

[toxic relic]

that doesnt sound like escape

[candid patio]

the city and local charities take care of them

[toxic relic]

that sounds like hiding

[neon bramble]

yt shorts has gotten my relatives interested in history factoids and I am now the leading provider at the dinner table

[toxic relic]

oh real

[candid patio]

nah they are just beach bums who live and eat for free

[toxic relic]

nevermind its cool now

[neon bramble]

need more rabbit holes lmao

[toxic relic]

yeah i realised, thats sick

[chrome jetty]

Fuck that. If im alive I need something to do, which means I need money. I couldn’t be a bum

[toxic relic]

theres plently of ways to waste time

[candid patio]

if you can't be a bum then you need to create your own machine

its not hard

[rose kestrel]

you can only create your own by neglecting the current system and getting others to follow suit in that enforcement

[candid patio]

my wife and i have created several

[chrome jetty]

No you can still opt out

[candid patio]

hmmmm

describe the life of a sample person who has opted out but is not a bum?

[chrome jetty]

Dead Lmao

[candid patio]

oh gosh

[neon bramble]

how does this work in your older years

[candid patio]

that got dark

[neon bramble]

or do they take the 9mm retirement plan

[chrome jetty]

well you can’t just say fuck you and not take part in society

Unless you live in a remote island ig

[rose kestrel]

Chat GPT 1.0 be like

[toxic relic]

cant find the article

[candid patio]

bro these bums have a van that they park in a church parking lot at night. the church gives them free electricity and water. then they just go like... get some free food... go chill at the beach all day, and drive their van back to the church at night.

[neon bramble]

I never got the appeal of trying to escape the machine

[neat moat]

man

[neon bramble]

all successful people made it work for them

[neat moat]

I don't remember these pain meds making you crash

[chrome jetty]

Take more

[toxic relic]

i think i dont like white lotus

[neat moat]

fuck you

[heavy ivy]

it often comes at the expense of someone else

[toxic relic]

severance is better

[candid patio]

maybe they collect some cans, or trim some pot, or something like that for some walking around money

[chrome jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/polícia-gif-22970819

[neon bramble]

but maybe I'm lucky enough to always have way to carve my way out

[toxic relic]

yeah

[rose kestrel]

when you wake up out of the matrix, come find us

[candid patio]

the hardest part of making your own machine is the start.

[toxic relic]

lukas gage and that australian were the best

[candid patio]

and the effort

[chrome jetty]

I@lost my drive in college

I used to be able to@put my mind to stuff, nowadays I can’t find motivation unless there are immediate consequences

[mellow birch]

I want to live in community without having to get one up on someone else, to outplay them, for my living. I want to contribute while having the freedom to be sincere and respect the vulnerability of others

[heavy ivy]

a good amount of the desire to not be human comes from wanting to escape the game

[mellow birch]

it’s hard to do that in the machine

[candid patio]

you just need to eliminate the middle people between you and the money that people pay for the skills you are good at

[chrome jetty]

I’m happy being human, hell what’s better than being the dominant species on earth? We even flew to the moon!

[mellow birch]

I don’t want to be a beach bum all day

[neat moat]

escape the matrix

[mellow birch]

but I’d rather do that than be a rat racing for scraps

[toxic relic]

beach bum is a good life

i respect them

[mellow birch]

my respect for beach bums depends on how considerate they are lol

I haven’t experienced any in person so my opinion is neutral

[neon bramble]

yeah that's what I'm working towards rn, though knowing the right people is a pita since I'm still breaking out of being an antisocial dickhead

[mellow birch]

good on them for having a life they enjoy, I just hope they’re not doing it at the expense of others

[candid patio]

i went down this whole thought train of thinking you were referring to some kind of actual race for scraps of metal / car parts to upgrade your rat rod in some kind of mad max idiocracy kind of dystopia.

[toxic relic]

the people i know that live on the beach respect it a lot, clean it up, make sure the bathrooms are equipped

[mellow birch]

lmao

[toxic relic]

good guys

[chrome jetty]

I’m still in my antisocial bubble, but I’m stuck since anyone who has ever meant something to me is gone lmao. It’s hard to get back into the grove when u have no way to meet new people

[candid patio]

see man you are so on my level all the time

[mellow birch]

that sounds more fun and life-affirming than the rat race I’m referring go

[candid patio]

these other people don't get it... "I have to work."

[toxic relic]

i see your vision dude

[candid patio]

nahhh man.. isn't the dream they sell us when we are growing up retirement?

[neon bramble]

real

[candid patio]

being a bum is the ultimate prize

[mellow birch]

I said when I was a kid I never want to be retired

[toxic relic]

agreed

[mellow birch]

because I couldn’t imagine the boredom of just waiting to die

[rose kestrel]

retire at age 105

[icy vigil]

he just like me fr!

[toxic relic]

i wouldnt be bored

[neat moat]

I dont think I want to retire either, but I guess retirement can just be a mindset

[candid patio]

wake up
eat an extravagant breakfast
get stoned
eat a tasty lunch
play some video games
walk the dogs
hang out with your friends and play board games and talk about crazy ideas while you're stoned
play some video games
sleep in a comfy bed

[neon bramble]

aint the whole point of retirement you just do as you please

[candid patio]

bum life

[neon bramble]

don't have to not be working

just don't have to work to live

[candid patio]

i could do that every day

[toxic relic]

when i was a boy i idolized the guys that seemed to get nothing done while still looking like they were working, they just wanted to feed the animals and play poker all day

[candid patio]

for an infinite number of days

[toxic relic]

agreed

[mellow birch]

oh, I didn’t respect those people at all when I was a kid

[oblique stream]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jsAEw3MV_WiWrBDIPvfYipUHn1jqcDZhMOEBhHh_oQQ/https/media.tenor.com/gzs8Xb_efvEAAAPo/i%2527ll-bee-damned-bee.mp4

[mellow birch]

I get it now

[toxic relic]

they were overworked and underpaid

[candid patio]

shit i love playing poker

[mellow birch]

but I was a bit offended at the idea of not wanting to leap at the world

[toxic relic]

so they resisted in small ways

the world doesnt need to be tamed

[mellow birch]

didn’t really have the perspective to understand that yet

[toxic relic]

i observe from afar

[toxic relic]

my dad told me at that age lmao, he knew

[toxic relic]

🤝

[mellow birch]

I disagree with you on that, at least in sentiment

[candid patio]

when i was a kid, there was a poker client that had freeroll tournaments with 800 max players. top 50 was in the money, starting a like 23 cents for 50th place.
i'd take my winnings from there over to 1 penny 2 penny tables

[toxic relic]

i dislike the idea that the world needs to be taken

its not there for anyone

earth just a celestial object

[mellow birch]

that I agree with

[rose kestrel]

nah the normal human element is not to want to work as much when you get way older? You know why they always say respect your elders? because they never lived as long as they do now in the last 80 years. Thats where that proverb comes from.

[mellow birch]

earth is ours to cultivate and use

share between us

[toxic relic]

i disagree

its not anyones

[mellow birch]

for the benefit of those that live on it

[heavy ivy]

unfortunately the world is currently taken, in the most part
everything is claimed, held and locked away
if we can resist that we should

[candid patio]

i just want like a tiny little piece that I can have peace on, and then like... share communal things with other people that love and respect them like I do... like the beach and the forest and the mountains.

[toxic relic]

this

[neat moat]

what

[mellow birch]

ownership comes from use and need in my mind

I don’t think any one person has a right to it than any other

[toxic relic]

i dont like the concept of ownership in general

i agree with your communal approach just not all of it

[mellow birch]

I disagree with how ownership is often conceptualized, as some sort of absolute right

[heavy ivy]

personal vs private property is an important distinction to make here too

[mellow birch]

what’s yours is what you invest into

[toxic relic]

real

[mellow birch]

in terms of emotional and physical energy

[heavy ivy]

and yeah gimme a little space where i can be with the people i love, and make crafts or grow some food for others

i am willing to give back, i just need to be given respect with that in mind

[neat moat]

your dragon hoard is not persinal property, giv

[candid patio]

so... you have your stuff somewhere... somewhere that has all the personal items that you use every day... and you sleep there and shit
without ownership, what is stopping me from like... coming over and using / taking your toothbrush or eating your hummus?

[mellow birch]

but how ownership is often conceptualized, as some sort of absolute exclusive right

[rose kestrel]

give up the arkenstone

[toxic relic]

interesting, i do like this

[mellow birch]

that’s unhealthy

[heavy ivy]

it would be a dick thing to do, which should be enough ideally

[toxic relic]

consideration lmao

why would you want to eat my hummus

[neon bramble]

the threat of your own hummus being eaten

lmao

[toxic relic]

just ask me man, ill give it to you

[candid patio]

BECAUSE I LOVE HUMMUS

[neat moat]

can you give me your calone

[toxic relic]

then ask

[toxic relic]

sure

[heavy ivy]

the goal is just a universal amount of mutual respect for the genuine needs of one another, and people usually will share if asked anyways

[toxic relic]

yeah, i have spare toothbrushes as well

[candid patio]

why would i ask if you don't own it? its not yours.

[mellow birch]

I think ownership is okay when it’s designed specifically not to be at the expense of others

the way property ownership is conceived of now, though, is kind of antithetical to that

[candid patio]

nope, you don't own it, so i'm gonna use it on my nasty mouth and put it back without telling you.

[mellow birch]

it’s about carving everything up

[toxic relic]

the opinion that, without the threat of legal action or some idea of intrinsic right to things, we would just 'take' and steal and such is flawed and baseless

[toxic relic]

you know you're just being contrarian lmao

[candid patio]

i'm not a psychopath so I wouldn't do this

[toxic relic]

yet you argue for ti

[candid patio]

well i have a point

[mellow birch]

some people would, but those people would be the minority and if they weren’t the ones who had all the power they’d be ostracized for it and either learn to be better or perish alone

[toxic relic]

you do not have a point slappy

more accurately, your point is one used often and, again, is baseless lmao

[neat moat]

something something social contract

[candid patio]

so the united states constitution has an amendment that prohibits the government forcing people to quarter soldiers in their home.

[stable oar]

let me be clear

[toxic relic]

people dont shit on library floors and tear books apart just because no one in the library 'owns' the books

[mellow birch]

if they do then they’re mentally disturbed

not your baseline human

[toxic relic]

and they should have help

[neat moat]

yeah there's a different psychological thing going on

[toxic relic]

real

[oblique stream]

Break it down for me

[candid patio]

you said you don't believe in ownership
and i'm just asking for you to elaborate on that a little
because I feel like ownership is like... an essential part to living in a society of other humans.

[rose kestrel]

everything is at the expensive of others, thats a law of nature not just for humankind.

[toxic relic]

my suggestion would be to read proudhons "what is property"

[stable oar]

no

[toxic relic]

ownership isnt essential

[mellow birch]

in some manner yes, energy used by one being is not consumed by the other

[toxic relic]

the antithesis imo

[heavy ivy]

the whole point is that despite having no 'physical' restrictions, people generally want to work together and be friendly to one another, and if we are having to enforce arbitrary laws it is a symptom of a more systemic problem in a community

[neat moat]

this is a very observant dragon

[candid patio]

on a scale of dr suess(1) to malcolm gladwell (10), how *difficult is it to read and comprehend?

[mellow birch]

however in the way I’m describing “expense to others” isn’t in some sort of absolute sense, it means minimizing the expense of your usage to others. It means negotiating that balance rather than taking it as a given

[toxic relic]

depends on your comprehension level

[candid patio]

i believe that most people are inherently good but 5% of people are inherently evil and they ruin every society they are part of

[toxic relic]

thats a very...essentialist view of things lmao. thats not what birbs point is afaik

[neat moat]

I would shy away from absolute moral positions

especially without a moral framework

[candid patio]

malcolm gladwell is difficult for me to get through but i can get through it, understand it, and retain what i've read later.

[toxic relic]

then its fine

[mellow birch]

we’re social animals, not a viper

taking what we need while giving back to others is what we’re designed for

[proven hatch]

@hazy fox

[toxic relic]

theres a free pdf online of it

[mellow birch]

living as people instead of some other animal means being considerate

[icy vigil]

pls don't tag me for no reason

[candid patio]

some people are greedy and they take much more than they give

[heavy ivy]

you're missing out on a crucial point here - necessity. animals kill to eat, to survive, to keep playing the game. in todays age there is a minority of people at the top who take far, far past what they need to survive, and that is what creates an imbalance of energy transfer
you can have more than you need to a reasonable extent, but certain people have far more than they could ever use and refuse to help those around them

[proven hatch]

Your not him

[icy vigil]

i drive

[oblique stream]

Or exploit others to get more, while themselves providing little of value to their community

[mellow birch]

that’s a survival mechanism that is maladaptive in an age where we can produce enough for everyone

[candid patio]

and this is the key downfall of society in my opinion. is that some people are insatiable and they take so much that it doesn't leave enough for others.

[mellow birch]

insatiability is an illness

when the person with OCD won’t be satisfied with washing their hands that’s a problem

especially if they do it to the point of bleeding

[candid patio]

I don't disagree, but how are you going to cure a billionairre of their insatiability?

[toxic relic]

gonna play space

[mellow birch]

by staging an intervention

[neat moat]

https://tenor.com/view/space-core-portal2-portal-spacecore-gif-8264616

[toxic relic]

france and spain

[oblique stream]

Thats a weird cure

[candid patio]

an interventionary device or...?

[toxic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-curry-space-capitalism-laughing-hysterically-smirk-gif-21230907

[mellow birch]

I mean, real talk

I don’t think it’s as evil to kill those who perpetuate evil upon others

but it’s still not ideal

[candid patio]

i love that topic

[neat moat]

its self defense

[mellow birch]

we shouldn’t if we don’t have to

[heavy ivy]

while i will advocate to support, treat and rehabilitate everyone we can, there comes a point where in the greater interest of the planet and everyone as a whole we need to take action
it's not a good action, but it may be a required one

[toxic relic]

i feel like i cant contrbute to this without leon or frogski getting mad at me

[mellow birch]

yeah.

[toxic relic]

cause ill talk about actual theory and praxis

instead of vague referecnes

so i play spess

[heavy ivy]

discord fears the educated mind

[toxic relic]

real

[heavy ivy]

regardless have fun :]

[toxic relic]

discord fears my 3 hour rant about economics

[neat moat]

does discord fear Riley then 🤔

[icy vigil]

susiety

[toxic relic]

thats not what im on shark boy

[mellow birch]

I’d rather take the billionaire and rehabilitate them than cut off their fucking head, but if their madness is going to consume me and the planet I live on and they won’t back down until the gun is to the back of their head

well then I better put that gun to the back of their head

even if I wouldn’t pull the trigger

[candid patio]

i really do hate violence and the concept of a group of people being able to take life away from someone else...
i don't advocate for taking their life but forced disbursement of the funds they gained by exploiting people back to the exploited people

[toxic relic]

damn

violance haters

i like violas

[candid patio]

that's something i could get behind

[honest sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/lick-lickk-glypsimo-glipsimo-glifo-gif-17149698

[heavy ivy]

im not academically educated nor street smart, im just traumatized and doing my best to be better than i was yesterday

[toxic relic]

theyre good instruments

[candid patio]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-prank-protest-violin-violins-gif-10263661958983524480

[toxic relic]

viola is not a violin

[candid patio]

yeah okay and a parasol is not an umbrella

[toxic relic]

i advocate for violins as well

[toxic relic]

i dont even know what a parasol is lmao

viola is a different instrument

same family

[heavy ivy]

scarf, i choose you

[last spoke]

It's not a "paradox of acceptance", it is a social contract that, when broken, no longer applies to you

[last spoke]

Hey

[toxic relic]

real

[mellow birch]

yeah.

[rose kestrel]

it can never be negotiated, imagine competing with workers being a non native speaker in that country or not being use to their different work ethics, they will take more of your opportunities at your expense and this is the type of competiveness that divides up the entire world.

[toxic relic]

what

no?

[candid patio]

its a device that provides shade and mild overhead protection from wind and percipitation.
usually some kind of collapsible piece of waterproof fabric that gets stretched over a metal skeleton with articulating joints, attached to a pole.

[last spoke]

If someone can be helped, I want them helped. But if they're clearly not planning on making any changes, there is a door

[toxic relic]

bro thinks being from a different country means youre a different type of human

[mellow birch]

so you’re saying if you’re part of the outgroup and are unable to communicate with the in group you’re fucked?

yeah that’s true broadly speaking

[toxic relic]

i disagree

[candid patio]

||(basically... its an umbrella.)||

[mellow birch]

that’s what happens to people

that’s why learning to communicate is so important

[toxic relic]

ehh

idk about that

ive lived all over the world

never experienced that

or been fucked over by another colleague from a different country in that way

[icy vigil]

me when anecdotal example 🤯

[candid patio]

did billionaires break the contract?

[mellow birch]

I’m trying to generalize his point rather than get bogged down by the specifics of his example

[toxic relic]

real

[candid patio]

where is the contract... i didn't sign it

[toxic relic]

i think i disagree with that point tbh

and not just from anecdotal evidence

[mellow birch]

I disagree with where it takes him

[toxic relic]

i wish i could be specific

[mellow birch]

but it’s true that if you don’t have a voice your needs tend to get ignored

[toxic relic]

yeah but i think thats a completely different thing

[candid patio]

i didn't ask to be here... who signed this contract? why was i forced to accept this social contract from the minute I was born?

[toxic relic]

im gonna play spess now

[mellow birch]

not having a voice was the additional dynamic in the situation he used as an example

[candid patio]

have fun! it was nice talking with you

[icy vigil]

i love sheep

[candid patio]

as food?

or wool?

or pets?

[heavy ivy]

yummy sheep

[icy vigil]

when they think they're anything more than sheep

[candid patio]

i don't think people are sheep

[icy vigil]

people are more than sheep

[mellow birch]

I think people are

you’ll never believe this

people

[candid patio]

sheep are more consistent and logical than people

[mellow birch]

I’ve never handled sheep

have handled llamas and alpacas though!

[candid patio]

they are predictable

[icy vigil]

sheep can become too smart and think they're set apart from other sheep. they resent how other sheep think

[candid patio]

people are not predictable

[icy vigil]

adorable nonetheless

they forget their roots

[mellow birch]

I mean, neither are animals

[covert flint]

how do i join a server?

[mellow birch]

they have emotions and an inscrutable mind just like people do

[covert flint]

sorry man, ive tried alot and nothing seems to be working

[rose kestrel]

its an example people will never truely be happy unless they have more than others in an appeal to their human nature, and that drives the hyper competiveness in society even if it means many others having difficultly accumulating wealth.

[candid patio]

like... yeah okay a deer has ran out in front of my car before

i didn't predict that

but like... my dog... he's predictable af

[mellow birch]

people will never be happy unless they feel secure

in a society where that is impossible unless you surpass everyone else you’ll be conditioned to try to surpass everyone else

[candid patio]

#1019737819981283459 #1019725562337579028
if you are asking like physically how do you... i'm not going to help with that

[mellow birch]

in possessions, skills, apparent lifestyle quality

all that

[candid patio]

how do you feel about maslow's hierarchy of needs?

[mellow birch]

I think it’s inaccurate because needs aren’t always linear, things can skip the line

[candid patio]

yeah nothings going to be perfect

but I think that's a pretty good summary for most people

rough estimate bmi type shit

[mellow birch]

sure, it’s a good tool to manage your expectations of others I guess

I just disagree with the idea that physical needs are always what people prioritize, we’re wired to conflate that with social security and sense of self too

[rose kestrel]

we don't want to be attractive, we want to be more attractive than others, we don't want to be wealthly we want to be more wealthly than others, its always relative other wise most people would be happy with what they have since what everyone has is more than those 200 years ago.

[candid patio]

i just noticed "reproduction" is part of a physiological need and I found that really interesting

like I don't have kids. I don't plan on having kids. how is that a physiological need?

[mellow birch]

it’s a precondition to a being’s existence

[candid patio]

"air food water... MAKE BABIES?"

[mellow birch]

not a precondition for the individual’s continued survival

[candid patio]

hmmmm.... if i wasn't brought into existence, i would have needs.

i'ma look into it i never took a psych class

yeah it looks like he thought that reproduction was essiential to survival

[mellow birch]

it depends on the person, not everyone thinks or feels like this and you’re projecting if you’re asserting that only people who have more than everyone else are happy

[candid patio]

that's weird... it reads like it is pro ||SA||

its okay to do that... its essential to survival... like air.

[icy vigil]

you don't have to ascribe by any sociological or psychological theory as absolute truths

they're fallible

[mellow birch]

I think you’re probably overapplying his framework

[rose kestrel]

Not everyone can get a partner, not, everyone can be good at school, not everyone can be popular, even if we all had the endless food and a house to live in we wouldn't be happy because we always want more of course we always cope by formulating things positvily but our intentions are all different. It might sound harsh when people say they only care about themselves of course it would be a much better life if we could all be happy at the same time but this delusion leads to even more harm for everyone.

[icy vigil]

they're attempts at explanation but they're not reality

and any theory being pegged as an absolute truth shouldnt be taken seriously

[onyx igloo]

bingle bongle

thats what i have to say thank you

[candid patio]

is that an absolute truth?

[icy vigil]

nope

[candid patio]

whoa!

[onyx igloo]

I am an absolute truth

Bingle Bongle

[mellow birch]

What do you mean not everyone can get a partner? What sort of partner? What does being “good at school” mean?

[candid patio]

I'm afraid I can't take you seriously.

[onyx igloo]

Don't be afraid

No need

I am squidward

[candid patio]

i found a reddit thread with some interesting takes if anyone is interested deeper into this topic. https://www.reddit.com/r/asexuality/comments/qmigxq/maslows_hierarchy_of_needs_just_look_at_the_base/

[mellow birch]

what level is good enough? If we’re only talking about position relative to others (as that appears to have been your focus) then you’re kind of in a circular loop if that’s what you mean by “popularity” and “good”

yeah, not everyone can be the best at everything

and most people aren’t the best at anything

[onyx igloo]

wow that bird has a Mohawk in your pfp

Very based bird

[mellow birch]

but we all can become good enough for the people around us

[candid patio]

now I wonder what percentage of beings in a species are able to successfully reproduce

and what species are the most successful

[onyx igloo]

Crab?

[candid patio]

it is estimated that around 68% of adults have at least 1 biological child!!!

what a crazy statistic

[rose kestrel]

its an oversimplification but not everyone can get a partner they are happy with, get somewhere in school they are happy without taking from others. Most of the world population is like, there maybe outliers but the underlying narrative that we can reach a point were taking from others is not the norm is the point were we stop being human.

[heavy ivy]

i will never have children and i dont see it as a need

[candid patio]

it's a luxury item

vanity

humanity will survive

i don't want to be here. i can't create a life that someone would want to live.

[onyx igloo]

bro im luxury?

[candid patio]

if i create a life, that creature is going to live a life of toil and suffering

[onyx igloo]

im not a luxury im a liability bro

as a professional minor i tell you liability over luxury

[heavy ivy]

for me its not even that, i just find the whole bit to be repulsive

[onyx igloo]

what whole bit

[candid patio]

not because I'm evil and going to force it to toil, but because I live a life of toil, so how can I possibly set them up so that they won't have to?

[mellow birch]

I don’t think we should kill desire and stop taking from the universe we were thrust into, that surely would be the death of being human. However, how we choose to go about that and with what sort of relationship to each other is the sort of thing my worldview argues a position for

you seem to be conflating the two things

only if you take what you want without regard for others wants and needs can you be happy

that’s just not true unless your desires are maladaptive

[onyx igloo]

It's kinda difficult to prevent any kind of toil for a child mainly due to teenage being a thing

[candid patio]

it costs an estimated over $400k USD to raise a child from prenatal to graduated college.

[mellow birch]

and even if they are maladaptive it’s possible to exercise them in some ways that are more safe than others

[onyx igloo]

Holy shit

[candid patio]

TOIL IS INEVITABLE!

[heavy ivy]

i don't like children and don't want to be around them

[karmic jetty]

yoooo squidward

[candid patio]

Unless you are rich

[onyx igloo]

Understandable

[candid patio]

if you are rich, you can create a life where your child has no toils

[stone nexus]

Chat.

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[heavy ivy]

Balls.

[stone nexus]

My final message.