general_chat

[warm atlas]

how?

[trail palm]

No it wasnt

The modding was tho

[naive flicker]

Conflicts with mods, conflicts with server members who were disliked etc

[carmine monolith]

mightve been the reason I left, super tight moderation

[warm atlas]

Oh

[neat moat]

what are you guys on about

[carmine monolith]

i completely forget why i just randomly left the server in 2022

[warm atlas]

so legit the rainworld server

[trail palm]

The past

Prime pz server

[warm atlas]

That servers mods are fucked bro

[neat moat]

prime pz server?

[naive flicker]

I wouldn't say it's tight. Just hella bipolar. Sometimes you could shitpost for hours and sometimes you'd get instantly slimed for posting a gif lol

[oblique stream]

@stone meadow what will your easter egg be in pz

[cold copper]

Anyone know how to drive out of West Point

[neat moat]

is this a different server

[warm atlas]

Well then heres my question

[neat moat]

like fan server

[trail palm]

Since when is this guy a mod 🤔

[oblique stream]

You need a car

[trail palm]

No this one

[warm atlas]

why didnt everyone make a new server

[carmine monolith]

i see

[cold copper]

Have one. Fences blocking exits

[warm atlas]

With just them

[neat moat]

how did it change?

seems chill now

[carmine monolith]

frog became mod

[warm atlas]

I have done it before

[carmine monolith]

and killed the bad ones

[quasi slate]

drive

[carmine monolith]

(joke)

[cold copper]

roadblocks on exits

[oblique stream]

https://tenor.com/view/fuzzolance-ambulance-drive-gosling-gif-8487904973116878780

[trail palm]

I mean there has been 2 instances that i know of and a gc i was a part of so idk

[quasi slate]

why are you driving into louiville

[warm atlas]

I say if it does ever happen like that we just make our own

[cold copper]

To get to mall

[quasi slate]

break the fences

destroy the cars with a sledgehammer

[cold copper]

Is there anyway I can just spawn at mall

[naive flicker]

Well I'm just saying, many of the old people i used to talk to left or got banned. It just isn't the same anymore, and there were less people who i disliked

I'm still in contact with quite a few of them. Actively.

[quasi slate]

-debug mode in launch options on steam

[naive flicker]

But some will never return, unfortunately.

Fuckin hell, one of them even passed away. Such a tragedy

[quasi slate]

then teleport yourself to mall coordinates

[trail palm]

Idk meefstick leaving was the final straw!!!

[naive flicker]

Yea meefstick was cool

[unreal bane]

You didn't read huh.

[quasi slate]

https://tenor.com/view/biao-panda-biaoqing-biaoarmy-chinesememe-gif-14931287697791746736

[trail palm]

Mix too i think has become less active too

Type of world we live in

[naive flicker]

Mix is inactive but she's still here

[gilded bridge]

Read it without the spoilers
It's a joke about me not having perms

[unreal bane]

Mix is active. Just not talking.

[naive flicker]

That's what i mean with inactive

[gilded bridge]

It wasn't heated, I was being bullied
Everyone collectively agreed that tattoos are the best thing ever

[unreal bane]

Ok lemme rephrase: talking only to a few folks.

[quasi slate]

you can find it on third party websites as a mod

[lilac quarry]

I legitimately didn't know it was an argument lmao, someone just mentioned there was a tattoo conversation and I was interested

[quasi slate]

LOL

[lilac quarry]

what a freak

wow lol

bye bye

[unreal bane]

Well that was quick

I was just asking him to elaborate even.

[neon bramble]

a

[frosty tulip]

I mean u have said that you don't think tattoos should be legal

pretty wild thing to say

[quasi slate]

he'd probably love japan

[unreal bane]

Tattoos aren't illegal in Japan, per se. Just has a stigma to it.

[lilac quarry]

Yeah I'm kind of nervous about that

I'm going in May and I'm just hoping it won't be too weird

[unreal bane]

And Japanese being Japanese prefer to keep to themselves and avoid trouble, hence they're reluctant to host tattooed guests.

[quasi slate]

have fun in japan bruv

bring me souvenir

[frosty tulip]

Lmao, you just show up and you've got a full back tattoo of an eagle or dragon

[lilac quarry]

I haven't done my back yet but I'm about 30% covered now

[gilded bridge]

IT WAS IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT!

[unreal bane]

They're normally alright with tattooed tourists, especially if you're visibly not Asian. Still there will be looks but mostly of interest, so don't be too bothered.

[lilac quarry]

not you lol, the dude who said a racial slur is what I was referring to

[unreal bane]

Unless you're into the whole full body lizard thing.

[lilac quarry]

what do you mean lol

I'll have a portion of my neck done by the time I go

[unreal bane]

Oh, I don't have an image of those...

[carmine monolith]

One thing im super unsure about is all the american tourists glazing japan calling it the better country, which while it has some good aspects theres so much nasty stuff that happens it kinda makes me feel icky

[slender sinew]

i mean, what are they gonna do about it if they see a guy with a tattoo, feels like just looking at him weird is about the worst they can do

[trail palm]

Idont think it will matter

Ur gonna be treated dif since ur a foreigner anyways

[unreal bane]

You know, the ones that tattoo every inch of their skin with scales and stuff.

[lilac quarry]

ohhh you mean this?

[quasi slate]

nasty stuff happens in every country

[unreal bane]

Ah yeah, those.

[frosty tulip]

can you please not post a pic of me on the public discord

pretty rude

[carmine monolith]

LOL

[unreal bane]

Every society does. I love the place to death but living there is a no for me.

[trail palm]

This cant be real

[lilac quarry]

it's a whole thing

a few people do it

heavy body mod/tattoos

[trail palm]

Its so fucking ugly 🤣 wtf...

[carmine monolith]

yeah i dont think i could ever visit with the stories ive heard of how women are acted towards, even if its a minority

[trail palm]

Whats the appeal to this bro

[unreal bane]

I already specified it won't be a bad thing.

[lilac quarry]

makes them happy

[trail palm]

Does it

[carmine monolith]

they look happy to me

[unreal bane]

Acted towards? I've had no issues there except for Nigerians aggressively touting me into stores in Harajuku.

[frosty tulip]

it's super weird imo but if they're happy with it, who are they hurting?

[unreal bane]

In LA though, I have been followed and that is nasty.

[carmine monolith]

yeah, that.

[lilac quarry]

yeah I can see the appeal to it from an outside perspective, I'd never get heavy body mods done because I like my body but due to being heavily tattooed I can see why they go far with it

[carmine monolith]

ive heard its worse in japan

[trail palm]

Los angeles clippers and lakers knocked out first round in playoffs 🥀

[lilac quarry]

at some point even a bad tattoo that you once hated may become a part of you, and it just goes from there

[slender sinew]

its a genuine question though, not sure i understand the response.
Do people actually get treated bad in Japan because of tattoos?

[quasi slate]

not even a cybernetic prosthetic when we finally hit the year 2077?

[lilac quarry]

ehhhhhhh

[unreal bane]

If anything, the men in JP were polite and even left me alone. If you're talking about hosts in Kabuki-cho, that's literally their job but they give me a wide berth when I'm with guys.

[lilac quarry]

Iunno

I'd get upgraded legs but I'd be worried if they failed

[frosty tulip]

lmao, get cybernetic eyes and go blind from some asshole zip-bombing them.

[unreal bane]

There's a stigma, yes. They associate tattoos with the yakuza, so they try to avoid having contact or interaction. Some places even outright refuse business.

Less so for most tourists especially non-Asians.

[slender sinew]

Ah thats like a mafia thing no?

[unreal bane]

These days it's alot less of a problem as the society is increasingly more open-minded. But the old generation remains so it exists.

Yup, yakuza are basically the Japanese mafia.

[toxic hawk]

wow, such high level humor
went so far over my head

oh someone got nuked ?

[gilded bridge]

It's not my fault, my humor is genetically nerfed, I'm German

[quasi slate]

tu madre

[toxic hawk]

my humor receptors are also nerfed being who i am

[lilac quarry]

yeah my boss is german I got used to the no humour

[gilded bridge]

The French can't take anything seriously
Especially relationships

[surreal mirage]

Give us a thumbs up moopy

[toxic hawk]

you could never know

[toxic hawk]

i dont mean to be judgemental

but that doesnt seem very

uh

the words fail me

[lilac quarry]

iunno it's art

subjective

[gilded bridge]

Human

[surreal mirage]

I'd solo

[toxic hawk]

well, one's body is a their own (within the confines of certain guidelines set by local laws)

so uh, happy for them i am

[gilded bridge]

Cancer is objective

[toxic hawk]

it actually isnt

[gilded bridge]

True

I liar lol

[mellow birch]

the law does not get to dictate who a body belongs to, even if it will try

[toxic hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-8872922284431337007

[gilded bridge]

Not even WHO guidelines are

[lilac quarry]

???

[gilded bridge]

This justifies suicide

[mellow birch]

yes it does.

I stand by my position

[toxic hawk]

ethics aside, i state reality. you legally arent allowed to ||commit suicide or self mutilate. thus your freedom over your body isnt complete||

[gilded bridge]

And it never should

[lilac quarry]

a shame, really

[frosty tulip]

yeah we should just lock up suicidial people for life smh

[toxic hawk]

i have no words to state on this

[frosty tulip]

life in prison

[quasi slate]

https://tenor.com/view/meatriding-gif-27682103

[gilded bridge]

I stand against suicide thus against your position

[lilac quarry]

something something One by Metallica

[mellow birch]

criminalizing self-injurious behavior is inappropriate

[lilac quarry]

I agree

[mellow birch]

if you want to prevent suicide I’d encourage you to do so through other means

[frosty tulip]

lmao, you stand against suicide by wanting them to get in trouble from the law?

[toxic relic]

i agree

[gilded bridge]

We should fix the issues that made them suicidal in the first place, if that doesn't work then yes put them on fake happiness medication

[lilac quarry]

naturally if someone is under the influence or in a state that can be analyzed professionally that would possibly put them out of capacity to commit

[quasi slate]

is it true you cant cancel assisted suicide in canada once you have an appointment

[gilded bridge]

Being against it is not criminalizing

[frosty tulip]

fix the issues that make people suicidal in the first place, good luck with that. There's so many causes

[toxic relic]

convicting someone in a court of law of a suicide atrempt is fucking stupid

[lilac quarry]

it is so HYPER red-tape and hard to get that no, this wouldn't be the case lmao

[lilac quarry]

fun fact, what you're stating is called murder lol

[toxic hawk]

they do ? i meant to say you arent allowed in the sense you will be treated in a hospital and kept on watch, provided therapy and all

[quasi slate]

damn

[toxic hawk]

suicide is a prosecuted ccrime ???

[toxic relic]

im glad that nz has euthenasia in place for certain people

[lilac quarry]

lmao

[mellow birch]

I don’t think suicide attempts are prosecuted

[toxic relic]

in most places yes, including mew zealand

[toxic hawk]

what the hell ?????

[mellow birch]

however it is treated as a criminal behavior

[lilac quarry]

I'm proud of my country for having MAID, but the parameters to meet it are so strict it's almost useless

but it's a step in the right direction

[slender sinew]

yeah has this ever actually happend?

[mellow birch]

probably, at some point historically

[toxic relic]

i got arrested for "presenting suicidal ideations" lmao

[lilac quarry]

I'm sure there has been some example of a government going after living family for it, but I don't have a source

[toxic relic]

knock on door, "police, open up" type shit

[lilac quarry]

just guessing

[slender sinew]

surely just to keep yourself safe

[toxic relic]

nope

[gilded bridge]

That's what I'm saying, but suddenly everyone is Japanese

[toxic relic]

they arrested me, then i got forcefully detained in a judicial psych ward

was weird

[toxic hawk]

i cant say much about the living conditions in those facilities

so i wont comment

[mellow birch]

that’s just evil

[toxic relic]

real

bad time

[gilded bridge]

If you're encouraging people to do it then it's deserved

[icy vigil]

I hate haggling

[frosty tulip]

lmao what

[toxic hawk]

🫂

[slender sinew]

tf did you do

[lilac quarry]

I don't know NZ laws but here, being formed (police mental health act) is pretty black and white

[mellow birch]

what?

[toxic relic]

same here, we have it but its locked tight

[mellow birch]

he wasn’t going around telling people to off themselves mate

[worthy scroll]

which spawn location do i pick? im a new player - havent play this before so.. is there a diff on dif spawn locations?

[quasi slate]

they lock you up here if they get suicidal glimpses

[lilac quarry]

#pz_b41_chat

[toxic relic]

dude what

[gilded bridge]

I don't have the context

[toxic hawk]

then why jump to conclusions

[frosty tulip]

dude said they got arrested because they thought fart looked suicidal. And your response to that is "if you're encouraging people to do it then you deserve it"

[lilac quarry]

nobody is advocating for people killing themselves frivolously lmao

[mellow birch]

why would you even assume that?

[gilded bridge]

I said if, I don't have the full context

[icy vigil]

Never kill yourself

[toxic hawk]

can i kill you ?

[toxic relic]

yeah this

[unreal bane]

Let's kill shark.

[gilded bridge]

I guess I misunderstood the charge

[quasi slate]

doesnt stop the rates in my country from going up tho when i was walking down neris river turns out on that same day a teenager drowned himself and it was on the news when they found his floating body on the same river

[icy vigil]

[lilac quarry]

because I'm a professional in this field, I'm pretty passionate about it

[frosty tulip]

even if you don't have the full context, that is a massive leap to make.

[toxic relic]

i agree with birbs position on this ngl

[toxic hawk]

sorry fartface, the way you killed those people in red dead 2 makes you look suicidal, gotta lock you up bro ngl

[toxic relic]

certified nerd

[gilded bridge]

#general_chat message

[lilac quarry]

certified suicide expert

[toxic relic]

[neat moat]

hey nova

[toxic hawk]

let us inject him with things for science

[quasi slate]

morphine

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[toxic hawk]

opioids scare me, i cant imagine how they feel

[lilac quarry]

I love giving out morphine

[toxic relic]

whats that drug thats stronger than morphin

[gilded bridge]

Why is everyone so pro suicide and SH now? Wtf is wrong with you guys?

[surreal mirage]

Oxycontin

[lilac quarry]

fent?

[toxic relic]

dia-something

[frosty tulip]

lmao how are they pro suicide

[neat moat]

dms

[gilded bridge]

Don't hey me

[mellow birch]

I don’t think suicide is good

it’s tragic

[frosty tulip]

they're just saying that you shouldn't be severely fucked over by the law because you tried to commit suicide

that is fucked

[toxic relic]

nah doctors put it in iv bags, starts with a d

[lilac quarry]

ALSO you shouldn't be forced to live if you don't want to, that's all

[toxic relic]

real

i agree

FUCK i forgot the name now the bits done

[lilac quarry]

to me it's similar to someone playing a video game their own way and someone getting mad "you're not having fun the right way!"

[toxic relic]

[mellow birch]

there are some edge cases where I think it’s the lesser evil to force someone to live instead of die

[frosty tulip]

another thing is that if there was a punishment for trying to commit suicide and failing. Wouldn't that backfire? That way you'd make sure these people would guarantee they don't survive their attempt because they don't want to be prosecuted.

[mellow birch]

but as a general rule, that’s my position

[gilded bridge]

Who said that ever?

[quasi slate]

when i was being injected with the sleepy sleepers for surgery it felt like my hand was going to explode ts hurt so bad

[mellow birch]

to be fair I don’t think anyone is agreeing with criminalizing it after the person is no longer suicidal

neither is nova

[lilac quarry]

there's a dude I regularly get called for, hero of a man. I actually have love for the guy. He was shot 4 times and is now fully paralyzed, bedbound, he has a forehead mounted eye-tracked (he was able to regain some mobility to his head) so he can use his laptop next to him to do text to voice

he regularly asks us to kill him, but he knows we can't

[toxic relic]

im not a medical professional but i can attest to this being true at least haha

[lilac quarry]

he's super chill, but is just forced to live

[gilded bridge]

See, I disagree, I swore to protect all life even against the will of others

[neat moat]

man that's terrible

[lilac quarry]

same, but it's not black and white lmao

[quasi slate]

thats a horrible situation to be in

[toxic hawk]

euthanasia is something i cant make my mind up on, it scares me to be the one to do it for exemple.

[toxic relic]

dude just wants to go out on his own terms

[gilded bridge]

I don't know, it's pretty clear to me

[neat moat]

its that situation in soma all over again

[toxic relic]

i respect it

[mellow birch]

I believe protecting living is more important than protecting mere existence

[quasi slate]

i mean if i was paralysed this far i wouldnt want to live anymore either

[lilac quarry]

yeah there's a big difference between being alive and living

[gilded bridge]

Living is existence

[toxic hawk]

no

no tis not

[mellow birch]

I disagree

[toxic relic]

its not

[neat moat]

"I dont want to survive, I want to live 🗣️"

[mellow birch]

I believe in protecting living at any cost

[toxic hawk]

the best counter exemple is cerebral death

are you alive ?

no

yet you exist

[gilded bridge]

There's a difference between saying I don't want to survive and I want to die

[neat moat]

Nova

[toxic relic]

its like forcing your dying 90 yo dad to be hooked up to a bunch of tubes and tested regularly just so he can stay alive a little longer-that doesnt seem humane compared to a comfortable death

[neat moat]

what is the worst pain you've experienced?

[lilac quarry]

I mean it's heavy but I had a dude who finally did end his life, after like 5 years of towing the line. Swimming naked in the lake in winter - claiming he's just out swimming and not trying to die, taking tons of medications and claiming it was an accident etc etc etc etc

[lyric galleon]

genchat is active, no way

[lilac quarry]

he finally did it, but it was in a public and gruesome way because he had no other option

[gilded bridge]

Being shot probably

[lilac quarry]

whereas if he was just allowed to go on his own without heavy stigma, the public wouldn't have had to be involved

[toxic relic]

real

[frosty tulip]

poor guy.

[toxic relic]

just let the man turn his oven off, he doesnt wanna cook anymore

[lilac quarry]

it's a complex subject, so naturally there's going to be strong opinions

[mellow birch]

I believe that you should always try to help someone live before enabling them to die

[neat moat]

I think its better to call it what it is. Torture

[mellow birch]

don’t get me wrong

[neat moat]

I think that puts it into perspective

[mellow birch]

but I want to avoid torturing another living soul at all costs

[lilac quarry]

yes we're not saying that the first time someone says they want to die that we just let them do it lol

that's why this is a nuanced topic

[gilded bridge]

What difference does it make for him if he kills himself anyway?
Whereas the social stigma could deter people from doing it for good, like myself

[lilac quarry]

MAID is a blessing, it's a start and is heavily regulated

[gilded bridge]

@neat moat relevance?

[toxic relic]

🤨

[mellow birch]

if the social stigma is the only thing keeping you alive then you’re not living…

[lilac quarry]

it's all personal right?

[neat moat]

youre getting hounded so I thought I'd drop the point

[mellow birch]

do you need help?

[lilac quarry]

why did someone want to do it, how long have they wanted to, what lengths are they willing to go to, to do it?

[frosty tulip]

If there was no heavy stigma about it, the dude probably could've ended his life in a much less painful way.

[lilac quarry]

we have a long criteria for our SI (suicidal ideation) assessment and it's quite extensive

requires a rather long conversation and great rapport building

most people just lie about it because they dont' want to talk about it but yeah, it's a thing

very common

[toxic relic]

social stigma is not a deterrent, it just leads the people who are determined to die to more painful and gruesome options

[lilac quarry]

and to shame

[toxic relic]

yessir

[gilded bridge]

Still better than dying, I'm not suicidal right now, I'm fine, but if it wasn't for the consequences I would have killed myself and now that I'm out of it I'm thankful I didn't do it

[mellow birch]

to be fair I think it is both of those things

[frosty tulip]

that and that stigma makes it hard for people who have attempted to speak out about it and get help.

[neat moat]

I dont think you need to be a genius really to see when it isn't temporary mental anguish causing it but an unrevoverable injury/trauma

[frosty tulip]

cause they'd find it embarrasing

[mellow birch]

it raises the bar of access

[toxic relic]

you're not everyone, dude.

[gilded bridge]

How so? If they do it they're going to do it the same way regardless

[toxic relic]

that type of reaction is in the minority from the information i know

[mellow birch]

that doesn’t follow

[toxic relic]

im confused as to how you dont understand the affects of social stigma

[gilded bridge]

I didn't say that, but I'm certainly not the only case

[lilac quarry]

hell, I had a lady recently, former professional athlete, super wealthy (her house is easily worth like $10million) and she is now older - 70 years old, can still walk, talk, lives by herself but has a weird bowel complication where she's in constant pain, painkillers take away her autonomy and make her a zombie, she doesn't want to live like this anymore but there's no answers from healthcare because all tests show nothing serious

her family (awful dreadful people tbh) called us and were basically like "can't you just sedate her and force her to go to the hospital? "we're tired of hearing how she wants to die all the time"

and she meets capacity so I had like a 45 minute long conversation about how this is just a reality and you're shaming YOUR MOM about something heavy like unreal

[toxic relic]

yeah i dont wanna talk about this anymore lmao, seems bad faith if youre not even considering another viewpoint.

[gilded bridge]

I don't follow then, could you explain?

[mellow birch]

if a person had a choice in how they were going to die they might not choose to do it alone, in the garage, smoking on their car’s fumes, or in public, via a train, traumatizing dozens of onlookers

[lilac quarry]

anyway yeah if the conversation is dead, it's just nice to hear that the viewpoint is changing, I'm happy

[karmic jetty]

havent played in a bit but i know all about the girlcott lol

[frosty tulip]

dickheads probably just waiting for their inheritance

[toxic relic]

shits fucked

life's a bitch and i cant even die

[lilac quarry]

I think it was a mix of many things, Iunno, they were upset about it clearly but it was also like they were fed up with having to be there for her

[mellow birch]

if nobody recognizes their right to life in both directions they’re corralled into doing it some way like this

[gilded bridge]

That's the point, to make it harder, inaccessible so people won't do it

[neat moat]

making alcohol illegal didnt stop people from drinking

it just made it unregulated

[karmic jetty]

whats all this aboot

[frosty tulip]

WAIT I GET IT NOW

we deprive them of anything that they could use to take their life.

we lock them permanently in solitary confinement

[lilac quarry]

but then just why not send them to prison forever instead

[frosty tulip]

that'll make em super happy

[toxic relic]

perfect society

[frosty tulip]

everybody loves solitary confinement

[lilac quarry]

DAIRY LETS GO

[gilded bridge]

Drinking is illegal here and it stopped people from drinking

[mellow birch]

I don’t believe that making it less accessible is the effective way to stop suicides. If a person’s mental and physical decline which is pushing them to that point continues, they’ll eventually pass that bar of accessibility by willpower if they’re able bodied

[neat moat]

it absolutely did not lmfao

[quasi slate]

i think ur clueless supernova

lol

[neat moat]

I can guarantee that

[toxic relic]

i agree with moopy

[frosty tulip]

nobody pay attention to how me and leon own quite a lot of shares in the companies that own several private prisons

that's irrelevant to it

[lilac quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/atm-party-money-gif-22779151

[neat moat]

Also I thought you were in Germany

[toxic relic]

ive lived in countries with alcohol bans and they drink more than places with low alcohol age requirement

[frosty tulip]

u guys can't be serious

the prohibition was a complete success

it went perfectly

[neat moat]

tru

[frosty tulip]

nobody ever drank alcohol ever again

[quasi slate]

expectations when withdrawing 20k in cash

[mellow birch]

yes as everyone knows

[gilded bridge]

Yeah, I'm not saying that
What I'm saying is don't make euthanasia an accessible option but not lock them up either, provide therapy and administer anti-depressants if need be

[neat moat]

we simply didnt prohibit enough

[toxic relic]

plus the alcohol was always laced with bad shit so there were so many hospital visits

[neat moat]

wait even today?

[lilac quarry]

but the therapy and anti-depressants has already been a thing and it doesn't work for many, despite decades of it

[toxic relic]

point being, its literally proven that prohibition and criminalisation never works

[frosty tulip]

I don't think anti-depressants are that effective for a lot of people tbh.

[toxic relic]

meaning, the modern era? yes

[gilded bridge]

Doesn't justify euthanasia in my opinion

[lilac quarry]

anti-depressants often have a huge effect on the body hormonally and have very negative side effects

[neat moat]

Happy pills aren't going to fix my marital conditions

said that to my doctor essentially

[toxic relic]

dude...

[lilac quarry]

which tends to compound the issue further, just staves off the immediate (FOR SOME, not all)

[lilac quarry]

and that's okay, you're just not going to be someone who agrees, but the world is going in that direction and I am happy

[toxic relic]

im gonna watch severance

[mellow birch]

I think euthanasia should be the actual last resort

it shouldn’t be easier to access than life-changing care

[lilac quarry]

again, being an professional adjacent in this field, I'm very happy MAID is real, for the people it benefits

[mellow birch]

but life-changing care is hard

[half kettle]

i've been reading this manga and this random goon reminds me of mark from invincible

[gilded bridge]

Again, doesn't justify euthanasia in my opinion

[half kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189254364670472255/1369426905710854274/image.png?ex=681bd1b1&is=681a8031&hm=991880d2f67a1400699540ed8f7a5ea91593da7414686e20ec1d746cee95cf0f&

[lilac quarry]

also, MAID is NOT applicable for people with suicidal ideation, if you express SI you are never qualifiable for it

[gilded bridge]

"Goon"

[half kettle]

Henchmen...

[karmic jetty]

maid? i thought it was mas

[mellow birch]

that’s a catch 22 if I’ve ever heard one

[gilded bridge]

Too late

[toxic relic]

leon, you remind me of the emt that took me to hospital for my leg; we spoke about warhammer the entire time

[neat moat]

pop quiz: what does MAID stand for

[frosty tulip]

What if you suddenly got paralyzed from the neck down with no chance of recovery. What if somebody wants to be euthanised because of that.

[neat moat]

fantacy or 40k

[toxic relic]

stand under deez nuts

[toxic relic]

40k

[neat moat]

ew

[mellow birch]

medically assisted intentional dying if I remember correctly

[lilac quarry]

ours is called MAID - medical assistance in dying

[lilac quarry]

that's weird you say that

[frosty tulip]

administered by hotel maids

[gilded bridge]

Not what I'm saying, I'm talking about reversible life issues

[lilac quarry]

I had a dude like two months ago who fell off his roof and broke his leg and we just talked about his warhammer figures after we snowed him with fentanyl

[neat moat]

WAITOR

WAITOR

MORE FENT

[unreal bane]

Uh.

[neat moat]

IM GOING THROUGH WITHDRAWLS

[mellow birch]

okay, so in instances of full paralyzation you’d be okay with facilitating that person’s suicide?

[frosty tulip]

Wait so does this mean you'd agree?

[toxic relic]

[half kettle]

If a person wants to die, i'd like for them to think it over rationally and take their time. No one is obligated to remain enduring a life they don't want but there is always the possibility to get better.

[frosty tulip]

Cause I recall earlier you said you'd want to protect somebodys life at all costs, even against their will

[sour gull]

if people die they arent contributing to the economy so i think we need them alive

[half kettle]

Haha, are kids an economic investment?

[naive flicker]

No

[half kettle]

How dark.

[naive flicker]

Kids are evil and expensive

[frosty tulip]

What was his fav faction?

[unreal bane]

According to some boomers and helicopter parents, yes.

[sour gull]

my children will grow and make me more money

[mellow birch]

I’d forcefully insist that they allow someone to take them away from the life that’s killing them from the inside, if that’s the sort of thing that’s causing their recurring suicidal ideation

[lilac quarry]

tau

[frosty tulip]

DAMN IT

I need a fellow orkstan god damn it

[lilac quarry]

so naturally we hit if off

[mellow birch]

don’t get me wrong Nova I’m not “pro-suicide”

[lilac quarry]

I love orks but tau are a close second for me

[neat moat]

How well is the Hana stock doing?

[gilded bridge]

If it's 100% irreversible with absolutely no chance of recovery then yes if the person consents

[lilac quarry]

yeah I don't think anyone is saying "oh you had a bad day? post the LTG gif"

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-24337002

[naive flicker]

Medically assisted death is not wrong in my opinion

[unreal bane]

I was sold for Bitcoin.

[naive flicker]

Terminally ill people shouldn't suffer

[gilded bridge]

That's exactly what you're saying

[half kettle]

People might feel suicidial due to lack of stability or purpose, which is a very vague topic to discuss with the person in question as purpose is subjective.

[lilac quarry]

oh no lol you're not going to tell me what I'm saying

that's just not going to happen, sorry

[mellow birch]

a lack of stability is something that can be corrected materially, with enough dedication on the part of the helping party

[gilded bridge]

If you're going to make euthanasia accessible people are going to resort to it

[lilac quarry]

yeah you didn't pay attention to the long winded comments I made so I'm not going to engage further with this, it's a non-starter lmao

[frosty tulip]

yeah I agree with your point supernova, lets just send em all to life in solitary instead

problem solved we got there

[mellow birch]

some people will, yes. I wish the world would change in other directions first before the normalization of euthanasia, but fundamentally I do not disagree with people having the right to end their own lives

[formal osprey]

Hello guys i just downloaded the game and its on build 41, is build 42 still a unstable beta or whatever it was?

[naive flicker]

Who else up fent posing rn?? 🗣️ 🔥

[lilac quarry]

#pz_b42_chat can help

but just access via betas tab on steam

by right clicking the game and hitting properites

then betas

[lilac quarry]

top right - unstable

[neat moat]

leon if an ambulance hits somone. Do they call for an ambulance?

[naive flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/b42-project-zomboid-build-42-gif-17066682817413107459

[formal osprey]

im wondering if i should do that later since i dont have experience yet on at all

[lilac quarry]

never experienced that one lol

[frosty tulip]

call another ambulance to T-bone the ambulance that hit you out of revenge.

[naive flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/b42-project-zomboid-build-42-gif-17066682817413107459

[lilac quarry]

but yeah probably just over the radio "hey we uhhhhhhhhh"

[naive flicker]

Just follow these steps

[formal osprey]

ye ik how to do that'

[mellow birch]

so when the world starts moving in the direction of allowing that liberty I think it’s tragic that we’re considering this before giving people actual housing, the best available medical care, community, and stability, but ultimately I do not oppose allowing people that dignity

[lilac quarry]

I'd give B41 a shot first

[quasi slate]

im currently testing early access for B43

[neat moat]

crazy

[lilac quarry]

there's a TON of content and it would be harder to go from B42 to B41 due ot the amount of changes

B41 would give you a really good beginners experience without any major issues errors/glitches

[neat moat]

did gta 6 come out yet moop?

[frosty tulip]

yesterday

they shadow-dropped it

[gilded bridge]

We'll just agree to disagree then

[mellow birch]

I don’t think people with dependents who have nobody else to support them are doing something morally right to kill themselves before they settle that

[naive flicker]

I have no idea what y'all are talking about

I just read the word euthanize

[mellow birch]

those are the sort of edge cases I mean

[half kettle]

By dependants. do you mean drugs?

[sour gull]

earth if the euthanized all the people i dont like

[naive flicker]

True

[half kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-kingdom-burn-fire-gif-11687404

correction^

[lilac quarry]

I love a polarizing topic

[mellow birch]

no, I mean children, pets, comrades in the middle of a battlefield

[gilded bridge]

You people are abusive

[lilac quarry]

how is this abusive?

[mellow birch]

yeah people aren’t being as kind to Nova as they could be

[frosty tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-soldier-wondering-gif-13794012

[lilac quarry]

I just said I like talking about things that there are nuanced opinions about

[half kettle]

honestly if euthanasia was available in my region, id go to it.

[toxic relic]

abuse deez

[tame loom]

Tbf project zomboid is an abusive game, only out abused by dayz

[mellow birch]

y’all jump to strawman and making fun of his position too much

[tame loom]

Nuts 🙂

[mellow birch]

asking him to clarify or misunderstanding it is different to strawmanning it

[karmic jetty]

would be pretty cool if i just decide when i could go

[toxic relic]

ok bird brain

you smell

[karmic jetty]

like aight im done poof

[lilac quarry]

we literally just had a discussion about a heavy topic and nobody erupted into insults, that was productive overall

stimulating, it was nice to just chat lol wym abusive

the people who didn't agree LITERALLY AGREED TO DISAGREE

[mellow birch]

I wouldn’t call it abusive though

[idle hornet]

id honestly start ragebaiting in heavy topics

[naive flicker]

This server is a madhouse 🥀

Abusive relationships smh

[mellow birch]

this was pretty low key as far as odd-one-out in a contentious issue kind of things go

[toxic relic]

i agree, the rats would rejoice over this

[half kettle]

Yo.. the hell you mean abusive relations, we were discussing the topic rather calmly and civilized.

[quasi slate]

im gonna show you an abusive relationship you will not forget hop on sims 4 multiplayer

[gilded bridge]

You all have the same opinion about everything, I keep getting ganged up on and no one ever agrees with me on reasonable takes
Yeah the tattoo one was unreasonable but I don't actually think it should be illegal, it was in a special context

[lilac quarry]

but just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean it's abusive

[naive flicker]

Me too, just come to my house

[gilded bridge]

Imagine having to hop on Sims 4
I can do that shit irl

[naive flicker]

Tfym i like you

[quasi slate]

you come to my house

[lilac quarry]

people tend to share the same ideas when it's a common knowledge topic

[chrome jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-mafia-mafia-money-gif-12714856527416165903

[toxic relic]

that sounds like its not an issue with us...

[naive flicker]

Lithuania 🥀

[naive flicker]

🗣️

[frosty tulip]

reasonable in your opinion.

[quasi slate]

if i enter your house i cant beat you up but if you enter mine i can

[frosty tulip]

we got different opinions

[idle hornet]

my brother in christ i think you just have shit takes and you refuse to believe it

[frosty tulip]

Just cause you find something reasonable, doesn't mean somebody else finds it reasonable

[gilded bridge]

It was more like that russian kid complaining, I not seriously think you're abusive

[chrome jetty]

Yes it does

[lilac quarry]

uhhhhhh

ok

[gilded bridge]

Not at least one?

[unreal bane]

..... okay this is getting a little weird.

[mellow birch]

dude, please don’t get a victim complex over most people in this space having different values to you

[frosty tulip]

one what?

[lilac quarry]

hmmmmmmm

[gaunt halo]

I accidentally set myself as a god on the server I host. How do I disable it?

[gilded bridge]

It started weird

[mellow birch]

I agree that some people were being a bit extra with the clowning on you

[sour gull]

what is he doing here

[gaunt halo]

please Help

I accidentally set myself as a god on the server I host. How do I disable it?

[quasi slate]

the same way you enabled it

[frosty tulip]

find the server devil

[gilded bridge]

#general_chat message

[gilded bridge]

One person that agrees with me

[sour gull]

go pause menu players then click on yourself and on the top right you will see the god mode option

[unreal bane]

No, you kinda made it weird when you started going off on people not agreeing with you. How did that amount to abuse...? Emotionally?

[frosty tulip]

might be that you have a fairly unpopular take then.

[toxic relic]

real

[gilded bridge]

I wasn't being serious

[toxic relic]

how are we to know

[mellow birch]

yeah I didn’t realize that

[unreal bane]

Well you certainly are doing a rather poor job of "not being serious".

[gilded bridge]

How is "we shouldn't give people the option to kill themselves" unpopular?

[mellow birch]

sorry

[toxic relic]

man, we should just drop this lmao

[toxic relic]

dude...

[naive flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/sushichaeng-chips-eating-nom-crisps-gif-22496360

[unreal bane]

[gaunt halo]

Thank youi

[naive flicker]

Idk I'm just gonna agree cuz of the sick pfp

[unreal bane]

Have you... ever held hands with a terminally-ill patient?

[naive flicker]

Ts is serious 💔

[karmic jetty]

this is discordia

[naive flicker]

Realtalk bro death is scary

[sour gull]

its unpopular here because they agree with it and ur not gonna change the minds of people on discord

[gilded bridge]

That's a different argument #general_chat message

[karmic jetty]

end me if im diagnosed with alzheimers

[frosty tulip]

as long as I get to inherit all your clams

[sour gull]

https://tenor.com/view/discordian-discordia-gif-5095439776680890811

[unreal bane]

Then you're just all over the place.

[karmic jetty]

u get all 50 of it

[mellow birch]

supernova said he thinks MAID for fully paralyzed people who consent is fine

he doesn’t think that anyone he doesn’t think is terminal should have the right to die

[frosty tulip]

deal. I'll learn how to become an expert in martial arts and drop-kick your entire head off. Just one kick

[mellow birch]

that’s his actual position as I understand it

[unreal bane]

Aight you know what, I've lurked enough today. I'll just go eat.

[karmic jetty]

sick dont forget to record

[lilac quarry]

wait what are you eating

[neat moat]

keep dreaming

[naive flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-walk-stand-gif-25967478

[gilded bridge]

Broadly, yes

[unreal bane]

My hair. I'm still at work because someone managed to rear end the amby.

[lilac quarry]

no way lmao

I've yet to be in an accident in the bandaid bus

[unreal bane]

Now I'm just sitting here pretending to look distraught when I'm actually just staring at my phone between my knees.

[lilac quarry]

hit em with an uwu

works for me every time

[mellow birch]

lol

real

[neat moat]

dont eat your hair

[lilac quarry]

when someone hits me with a "the ambulance driver is here" I just sit there and uwu essentially

[naive flicker]

I'm supposed to be at work but i told em I'm gonna come later because of a headache x3

[unreal bane]

Gonna turn this ambulance into a Rambulance.

[frosty tulip]

you want her to drink it instead?

[naive flicker]

I don't have a headache

[lilac quarry]

I'm just a wittle ambuwance dwyva

[neat moat]

hair is for wearing not consuming

[warm atlas]

Why go to work when you can stay at home instead

[neat moat]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brother1984-1984-big-brother-big-brother-is-watching-you-george-orwell-gif-24454773

[naive flicker]

-w-

[warm atlas]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[gilded bridge]

Why didn't you say then?
I was crying in the corner alone

[naive flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/thisdis-discord-shit-gif-16891250796647249833

Idk mane, i was talking to someone else in DMs so i was a bit busy

[warm atlas]

aye man its not that deep

[icy vigil]

Why would crusader do this

[naive flicker]

MisterShart10

[quasi slate]

notjoshua

when you getting a pfp now that your evil twin has a pfp

[icy vigil]

Never

[quasi slate]

pls

[icy vigil]

I have no soul

[livid notch]

Just move the discord logo thing a inch up

[sour gull]

ginger?

[quasi slate]

here is a pfp suggestion

[toxic relic]

this is fucking amazing

slightly off center

[half kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/347598466404319244/1369595981557006336/Screenshot_20250507_093804_Instagram.jpg?ex=681c6f27&is=681b1da7&hm=265d48f2db5a9ef86e7bacde9398381d96b0817578de8e46d975a84eec0d9135&

[gilded bridge]

Seems I've triggered a cascade reaction

[lilac quarry]

puppers would buy

almost buying the little nose creature for $30USD in diablo

[half kettle]

Thats 4 cans of tuna..

[toxic relic]

puppers has roaches which is +rep for me

[swift crag]

tuna?

[toxic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/roaches-bugs-pizza-gif-9363885

[karmic jetty]

am home now chat

[half kettle]

DIIIEEEEEE

[karmic jetty]

what to do

[toxic relic]

you seem angry

[half kettle]

This embedded moving picture, irritates me to a mild degree.

[toxic relic]

i see, how unfortunate.

[karmic jetty]

is there a mild diploma

[toxic relic]

sadly, i don't care enough about your discomfort to remove it.

[toxic relic]

where do u get your humour

[karmic jetty]

from u

[toxic relic]

did you watch marvelous misadventures of flapjack as a child

[karmic jetty]

yea

u should know

[lilac quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/its-not-what-it-looks-like-cartoon-network-gif-4975684

[gilded bridge]

How inconsiderate

[toxic relic]

that show was banger

[lilac quarry]

to this day whenenever someone is fountaining blood out of a hole at work I say "they were fountaining blood like bubby the whale"

[toxic relic]

[karmic jetty]

what hole

[solid canyon]

any1 here like robloc

[toxic relic]

one of the dudes that worked on the show made adventure time

[toxic relic]

yes, i agree.

[solid canyon]

who wanno ply tobloc wit me

[toxic relic]

toebloc

omars favourite game

[solid canyon]

Real

[karmic jetty]

hmmm

[toxic relic]

child

[karmic jetty]

oldman

[toxic relic]

you dont know omar

[quasi slate]

flapjack

https://tenor.com/view/flapjack-gif-4420023578721717559

[toxic relic]

ok , i was referring to mechant

[karmic jetty]

and i was refering to u

[toxic relic]

i am an old man

[solid canyon]

wow

[karmic jetty]

exactly

[solid canyon]

you guys SUCK

not playing tobloc wit me

[toxic relic]

suck donkey butt

[toxic relic]

why do you have your height in your bio, young one

[solid canyon]

youre basically saying suck ass ass

[solid canyon]

oh forgot to removethat

There we go

[karmic jetty]

smol

puny

https://tenor.com/view/catwait-cat-wagging-tail-gif-15164511416751561383

[toxic relic]

tiny, even

[surreal mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/zerograms-neesh-cat-small-kitten-gif-9989881344101479310

[solid canyon]

need toebloc

[toxic relic]

diminutive size, one could even say

[solid canyon]

players

[karmic jetty]

ur but a speck in the wind

[toxic relic]

fingerprints on an abandoned handrail

[solid canyon]

whow nana ply toblco [wit me

[karmic jetty]

an ant painted over by the landlord

[solid canyon]

tobloc

robolv

rolbov

robloc

[toxic relic]

a mouses hat in a straw pile

[quasi slate]

https://tenor.com/view/building-fortnite-video-game-gif-17951665

[solid canyon]

roblox

[toxic relic]

you watched the kurtis conner video

[karmic jetty]

of course

[toxic relic]

maybe one day we'll free ourselves from the prison of beige, hastily painted walls and be our own cockroaches

[karmic jetty]

no thanks i dont want as*mongold to have dominion over me

[toxic relic]

imagine if you were a sentient ant but you were trapped under a kick streamers food pile

death would be a mercy

[karmic jetty]

the next soulslike game

[toxic relic]

HAHAHA

[quasi slate]

decomposing animal falling through his ceiling was next level

[karmic jetty]

his house should be contained and disintegrated

[toxic relic]

what

[quasi slate]

its the most recent thing that happened

let me pull up the slop live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpAtB2jVhIU

[toxic relic]

[jovial pond]

Chat best car mods

[karmic jetty]

u know that movie quarantine where they get stucked in an apartment and theres some weird virus sht

[quasi slate]

buster rhymes

[jovial pond]

Already have it

I want

Cool cara

Cars

Cars that teenagers mostly have a wet dream with

[quasi slate]

r34 skyline

[toxic relic]

no

[quasi slate]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-nsx-blue-skyline-skyline-gtr-skyline-nissan-skyline-gif-11835438363444638635

[karmic jetty]

r35 better

the gojira

[toxic relic]

dude looks like a custom oblivion character

https://tenor.com/view/orc-orismer-the-elder-scrolls-oblivion-character-creator-gif-4264724645346780855

[jovial pond]

Bouta

Download

A lot of mods

Car mods

[icy vigil]

Man i want pancakes

We have a lot of butter

[gilded bridge]

Yes actually I do
How about you stop arguing with me and whenever I say something you disagree with ignore me
I'm not strong enough to have a 20.000 vs 1 conversation

[icy vigil]

What the

Drama in gen chat

[toxic relic]

total drama

[lyric galleon]

make clarified butter

[icy vigil]

Why would gen chat do this

[toxic relic]

i vote for mistershark to leave first

[gilded bridge]

You're very late

[gilded bridge]

Because Degen chat

[icy vigil]

I rarely hate people

[warm atlas]

Ima be honest here for a sec

[toxic relic]

i didnt like total drama

[warm atlas]

I saw the whole thing he may have a diff opinion but dont bully the guy

[toxic relic]

lmao its not bullying

[icy vigil]

Never kill yourself

[lilac quarry]

you're replying to an hour old message lol

[gilded bridge]

And they're going to keep bringing it up 4 years from now

[toxic relic]

calm discourse = bullying

[gilded bridge]

I have to get the XP somehow

[toxic relic]

dude...

[warm atlas]

kinda seemed like it imo

[gilded bridge]

You brought up a two day old conversation

[polar kernel]

there should be a rule where every time someone here argues they have to kiss afterwards

[toxic relic]

can i krill myself

[warm atlas]

maybe thats just me

[toxic relic]

[icy vigil]

Never

Well idunno

[toxic relic]

too bad

doing it anyways

[icy vigil]

Are you a true nihilist

[toxic relic]

"true nihilism" isnt a thing

[lilac quarry]

yeah by asking about it openly, not replying to a direct message lol

[icy vigil]

Otherwise killing yourself is dumb

[frosty tulip]

we talking about my grand plans for humanity to reach it's next stage of evolution? becoming krills?

[gilded bridge]

Irrelevant

[icy vigil]

Then no one should kill themselves

[lilac quarry]

also not knowing that it was an argumentative chat, just that it revolved tattoos, which I'm a big fan of

[polar kernel]

fine dont like my idea whatever

[icy vigil]

Simple as

[polar kernel]

fuck my stupid chud life.

[toxic relic]

i disagree

[icy vigil]

I disagree

[toxic relic]

thats a very narrow perspestive lmao

perspestive

[polar kernel]

are you defending the idea of suicide

quick dogpile him NOW

[gilded bridge]

Am i dreaming it or does someone agree with me?

[gilded bridge]

No it's the other way around

[icy vigil]

Never kill yourself

[toxic relic]

as i was saying, modern nihilism actually misunderstood nietzsches philosophy

[frosty tulip]

god I think the worst part about tattoos for me would be deciding what I even want as one.

it'd be so hard to choose.

[toxic relic]

so true nihilism isnt a thing in the sense that nihilism is misunderstood

[narrow rune]

Real

[polar kernel]

HES DEFENDING IT LOOK

[lilac quarry]

it's only the first few tbh

[toxic relic]

that was my point

[lilac quarry]

once you get a bunch it's easier for sure

[icy vigil]

Who says nihilism has to come from nietzche

[gilded bridge]

You missed the whole thing

[icy vigil]

What if life actually has no meaning

[lilac quarry]

took me like a full year to commit to my right arm and now it's fully done

[toxic relic]

i defend suicide and im offended by fucking light mode

what the fuck man

i knew you were light mode user

[polar kernel]

thats my thing, i just see nothing contextual and immediately assume everything

[gilded bridge]

@polar kernel

[toxic relic]

life doesnt have meaning

[polar kernel]

its like 80% of my whole bit

[toxic relic]

that i agree with

[narrow rune]

Hi cool chip

[polar kernel]

hi

[gilded bridge]

For context

[polar kernel]

i dont want context

[loud pumice]

Is it the tattoo thing again

[toxic relic]

meaning is not an inherent property of life

[polar kernel]

i want to assume everything and paint bad pictures of others

[toxic relic]

"life" itself is flexible

[polar kernel]

driven on pure emotion

[gilded bridge]

No it's about suicide this time

[dim cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-good-morning-good-morning-chat-good-morning-images-greetings-gif-14856495228668895469

[toxic relic]

knowing because life "doesnt have meaning" doesnt make one depressed or edgy, just understanding that it didnt evolve with intention, shit just be like that

[lilac quarry]

no thoughts only fuck sleep poop

[toxic relic]

my dream

[gilded bridge]

Context #general_chat message

[loud pumice]

No

Not interested

Suck a pineapple

[toxic relic]

nah but its what you make of it

[gilded bridge]

You literally asked

[toxic relic]

you can create meaning

[loud pumice]

-rep

[toxic hawk]

i mastered this guy.

[toxic relic]

damn

[frosty tulip]

not an insult since that's a pretty good fruit

[gilded bridge]

Depends
It is usually associated with a crime

[loud pumice]

Honkshoo

[toxic relic]

guy fieri

however u spell his name

https://tenor.com/view/guyfieri-weenie-gif-5033279

[hasty thistle]

Guy Fieri is actual a super cool and nice dude, even if he looks like he's frozen in the 90s.

[toxic relic]

respect his style dedication

[hasty thistle]

Right? It's been 30 years and he's still going strong.

[gilded bridge]

Been WHAT?!

[hasty thistle]

Dude's almost 60. He picked a style in the 90s and has never grown out of it!

Or maybe you're confused that the 90s are 30 years ago? 😉

[gilded bridge]

Yes

[icy vigil]

Wym

[gilded bridge]

I wish i stayed in the 90s

[icy vigil]

10 years ago max

[hasty thistle]

I know, since the advent of the internet, it does seem like pop culture has kinda been extended, drawn out and stretched for much longer than they would have been prior.

Hold on...

The internet is the one ring!!!

https://tenor.com/view/butter-scraped-over-too-much-gif-18400004

[frosty tulip]

thank god I'm not stuck in the 90s. Most of the games I like weren't around back then

[mellow birch]

life has all kinds of meaning to it

it doesn’t have a singular objective meaning by any means

but there’s plenty there to be found

[fair yacht]

good morning friends im back!

i was busy in other servers uwu

[frosty tulip]

You're basically repeating what they said though

They said you create meaning

[gilded bridge]

I'm okay playing CS 1.6 With the homies for eternity

[mellow birch]

yeah, you make it, but it’s also available and present even if you don’t realize it at that moment

[toxic relic]

i disagree with that philosophy but i can see an overlap in thinking

[mellow birch]

the conscious mind interacting with the outside world has all kinds of meaning available to it

[gilded bridge]

This day suddenly got better

[fair yacht]

i hate interacting with people outside irl

[warm atlas]

greetings

[mellow birch]

but yeah without the mind through which to perceive meaning the entire concept of “meaning” is irrelevant to the objective universe

we live in a universe with minds to create and perceive meaning, though

so to me it’s inaccurate to say there is no meaning

[toxic relic]

i specified here

[mellow birch]

oh, alright

[fair yacht]

:D hiiiiiiiii

[toxic relic]

i do think its all constructed and disagree that any meaning can be "discovered"- a la constructivism

but s'all good

[warm atlas]

Welcome back

[fair yacht]

:) solaris fren

[mellow birch]

the discovery aspect is noticing what was constructed while you weren’t paying attention, if you get me

[gilded bridge]

I refuse to join in on this conversation because suddenly you two will agree and team up on me whatever it is I'm saying

[toxic relic]

ahh real

ok mate

[mellow birch]

I do think that a perceiving being is the only context in which “meaning” makes any sense

and that being existing is what constructs it

[toxic relic]

[mellow birch]

but we discover meaning instead of “only” making it in my view because I’m just pointing out that it isn’t necessarily an intentional exercise

[toxic relic]

i see

[mellow birch]

so there’s plenty of it to find, in my view

[toxic relic]

interesting thought

[karmic jetty]

lame

make ur own meaning

[lilac quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-6153870554148391864

[karmic jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/catwait-cat-wagging-tail-gif-15164511416751561383

[toxic relic]

i dont think i agree tbh

interesting nonetheless

[mellow birch]

I agree that we should make it our own

turn the subconscious process into a conscious one

[frosty tulip]

I'll make the meaning that has no meaning to it.

that's my meaning

[mellow birch]

break our assumptions and question our preferences

[severe agate]

We're all just brains in a jar. There is no meaning

[karmic jetty]

real

but its fun to give it meaning

[toxic relic]

i would like to shake the jar

at high velocity

jackiecan

[mellow birch]

where do you think you disagree?

[toxic relic]

pffftttt

[toxic relic]

hmmm, let me think about how to articulate it

[lyric galleon]

you are all piloting a skeleton mech suit with bio-carbon based meat armor

[fossil spoke]

Heyooo, sorry just popping in to see if anyone has any idea when the build 42 becomes multiplayer. Have a group of friends that are so keen for it lol... Normally devs do some sort of update every few weeks. Do we need to check on th devs, make sure their okay ❤️

[mellow birch]

I understand that you’re taking a hard constructivist approach, and in theory I view the situation similarly, it’s just that I want to emphasize that the process of construction is more than just an intellectual exercise

[toxic relic]

i disagree that it would be considered discovery even if subconscious

its mostly on details that my opinion shifts

but i agree with most of it

as you said, hard constructivist perspective haha

[karmic jetty]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1319802560089165864.webp?size=128&animated=true

[toxic relic]

your name is fucking hilarious

we have no idea when mp is releasing

[mellow birch]

I consider it a discovery when you bring something novel into your conscious view

when it becomes “more” yours, as it were

[fossil spoke]

lol thanks ^_^ @toxic relic

[mellow birch]

everything we discover already existed

[fossil spoke]

I like parody names for my gamer tags.

[mellow birch]

but the word still describes something, right?

[toxic relic]

what word, discovery?

[mellow birch]

yeah

[toxic relic]

yeah, see i disagree that anything can be discovered

[mellow birch]

I don’t understand what you mean by that

[karmic jetty]

yappy meal deluxe set

[toxic relic]

i suck at explaining

not sure how else to say it haha

[toxic relic]

i understand

[ebon trench]

In Britta mode, there are guns that only appear and some guns that do not appear at all. Is there a way to fix this?

[toxic relic]

im not into that thought process is my point

[mellow birch]

that’s why I say the meaning is there before you notice or process it

like

a piece of art has more layers to it than a single audience member can perceive

[karmic jetty]

like onion

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1160784514633715744/1312620361237528667/attachment.gif

[toxic relic]

but those layers where made by someone else

it wasnt inherently there

[mellow birch]

I guess I see potential and actually being as not too dissimilar

I’m talking real potential, as in all the pieces are in motion

I didn’t always think that way though

it didn’t make much sense and was really uncomfortable

sort of had to settle into it

[karmic jetty]

too many words but im gettin nuthin

[toxic relic]

hmm

[mellow birch]

yeah, fair

sorry for being too yappy

[karmic jetty]

yappy is good

[toxic relic]

yeah i see your viewpoint but im not into it

interesting perspective

thank you for explaining

[lilac quarry]

you guys should smooch and agree to disagree

[toxic relic]

we're not arguing haha

[mellow birch]

I started to think this way mostly because of moral quandaries, deciding “fault”

[toxic relic]

just exchanging philosophies

[karmic jetty]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738029875071549532/927446995449303110/8d51afaf60aff163.gif

[lilac quarry]

okay but smooch anyway

[toxic relic]

i see

[karmic jetty]

do u see this cat

ive decided to call it john

[lilac quarry]

ok attic noise maker

[karmic jetty]

but u can call it sumthin else

[mellow birch]

eventually I sort of started to realize that the question of fault isn’t as important as I thought it was

[karmic jetty]

but to me its john