#mod_development
charred ridge
no
i just got UV to partially redo because it's mirrored but that was gonna be a problem for making damedge overlay
frail brook
Did you try to UV map it yourself?
frail brook
you can try to have your own UV map and use photoshop to edit texture for your new uv.
sour island
Is there a list of functions you can call in Lua? Like Say() for example?
I feel like I've asked this before
sour island
panicSwear_Filter, interlacedSwear_Filter, Stammer_Filter, SCREAM_Filter
needs more tweaking- but so far so good
sour island
figured out proper sentences case
hmm, interlacing swears might need some tweaking lol
drifting ore
Is there a car mod that adds buses etc
wicked crane
Kate body port, to make modeling clothing items easier.
sour island
nice
nimble spoke
@wicked crane how was the conversion done? I'm going to give it a test
hmmm, no armature
cursive bramble
trait/perk, +0 -0 since its aesthetic?
- vulgar. more swearing interlaced, more...vulgar swears?
otherwise its so awesome. some enhancements to the dialogues is much needed.
(Tourretts? I know C:DDA has it actually..)
sour island
I don't know if Say() is exposed anymore
I was planning to look into general filtering of Say() and such
sour island
trait/perk, +0 -0 since its aesthetic?
- vulgar. more swearing interlaced, more....
but those are good ideas
charred ridge
can the wheels on cars also have effect from the rust layer ?
as in i painted rust for the wheels on rust layer is it gonna have it or is it just for the car without the wheels
cursive bramble
I don't know if Say() is exposed anymore
in b41 ? in b40 i am using Say() extensively.
sour island
with t key right? or enter?
I don't think there's a chat in b41
but maybe b40's lua can shed insight to say/shout
cursive bramble
oh you mean ingame p2p chat ?
sour island
yeah
cursive bramble
im actually not sure myself
sour island
atm my mod is processing the text then having the player Say() it
for it to work with in-game chat I'd have to be able to modify the Say/Shout commands
cursive bramble
test - wrap default Say() in a new Say() but do print() to see if it prints to console when p2p message is typed
cursive bramble
ofcourse because no MP code technically. Correct? ive not touched b41 java
sour island
I'm honestly not sure- it may have been removed when MP was
cursive bramble
though Say() should still be used?
sour island
but I am fairly certain I was able to input even in SP before
turbid gale
I used say when debugging my M113 armor so yeah it’s still in B41.
sour island
the function is-which I am using too- but is there player input to it? i.e. the old chatbar via t/enter
oh it is
weird I could have sworn it didn't work earlier
latent orchid
noice
scenic pivot
sour island
Can't figure out why in game chat works with debug on only
:\
could the output window be conflated with the chat window?
welp now it doesn't work at all
wth
pastel cypress
Is there auto save mod?
wicked crane
Is there auto save mod?
@paper grail lol
paper grail
lmao
paper grail
yeah there is
pastel cypress
can you tell me where can i find it?
paper grail
The mod ain't in the workshop. You want I should dm you?
pastel cypress
yes please
old harbor
auto save mod?
native plover
wicked crane
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2391421579 с сахаром :yum...
Is this just reskinned craftable dairy ? Can we put the milk in bottles or it makes a carton of milk out of a condensed can?
abstract raptor
yo, does anyone know how we can change the color/appearance of blood? 👀
So I located the "Gibs" which are the blood chunks, that can be changed easily, but I think the blood overlays need to be changed
but last time I attempted to overwrite the default texture pack it didn't seem to work, so
cold bloom
Blood for the blood god, and moloko for the Khorne flakes. Coincidence?
cold bloom
Am I the only one who wondered why his mod text had weird colors, and found this nice inconsistency? 😄
sour island
lol
anyone run into isClient() and know anything about it?
isClient() is preventing the chatbox from appearing regardless if true or false
stark abyss
does anyone know how have a trait add an item on spawn (the M36 revolver specifically)
sour island
are you familiar with event hooking? there's probably one for new players/player spawn
sour island
isClient() is preventing the chatbox from appearing regardless if true or false
also, I realized the chatbox is actually just broken- even beyond the client check- it doesn't initialize with any tabs :\
stark abyss
no im not sure what that is
sour island
there might be a mod that has 'starter items' based on traits- try looking there and editing it
stark abyss
I can add items like the base pistol and ammo just dont know what to type to get .38 ammo or the m36
yeah thats what im editing right now
sour island
ah, you'd probably need the class for the guns/items
that can be found in script
something like Base.GunName
stark abyss
the command it uses for 9mm ammo is just bulletsbox so i dont know how to get .38
yeah i think i figured out the gun now i just need to find out what the id is for the ammo
sour island
it uses IDs but all the channels IDs are 1?
so I just had it match channel name instead
🤷♂️
nvm switching tabs doesn't work lol
sour island
does chat work in the MP build ? Honestly curious before I waste time deciphering this
plucky nova
does chat work in the MP build ? Honestly curious before I waste time decipherin...
I think so, yeah
sour island
I won't try to figure it out then- I think the tabID and streamID got mixed up at some point -- probably fixed in b42
plucky nova
ah ok
cosmic iris
I could of sworn i've seen someone post a picture of an RV, does anyone know what mod that is?
wicked crane
I could of sworn i've seen someone post a picture of an RV, does anyone know wha...
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1896907770
Autotsar trailers has a pull a long as well
craggy furnace
round zenith
^Did someone say crusade?
late hound
yeah @craggy furnace that is when your .XML file is referencing a texture file location that doesn't exist.
craggy furnace
@late hound i am aware
currently developing a MOPP suit
this is a very rough start to the scientist hazmat helmet ive been working on
need to make the visor transparent to show the characters head inside of it and make the suit
going to throw that UV away and do something comprehensive
wicked crane
Nintendo when they see your workshop upload:
abstract raptor
XD
mellow oyster
How do I get britas guns to not be so glitched? I can’t even reload magazines individually and put them in my gun.
wicked crane
How do I get britas guns to not be so glitched? I can’t even reload magazines in...
upload your mods.txt file
mellow oyster
Okay.
Can't reload magazines individually, or unload them individually.
Can't remove the mag in my gun and replace it with a loaded one.
And I'm pretty sure the attachments are borked too.
wicked crane
Well first of all, you're running b41 firearms mod, Hydrocraft and britas at the same time, so I'm going to bet the last bit of money I don't have in my bank account that's what your issue is.
Hydrocraft hasn't seen an update since August 16th, 2019.
There is another b41 patch for Hydro on the workshop.
For both mods the ID is just "Hydrocraft" so I can't even tell which one you're using...
wicked crane
Idk man. You have a mod conflict for sure, I can tell you that much.
mellow oyster
how do i figure that out tho
wicked crane
how do i figure that out tho
Start dropping mods.
wicked crane
Start dropping mods.
easily rule out ones that you know don't touch firearms.
Start a save with only Brita's. I'm sure it will work fine.
Work your way up from there.
mellow oyster
yeah thats what i intend to do after a quick test.
wicked crane
GL
mellow oyster
Enable britas with everything just to make sure its still broke, then ill disable it all except half and go from there
mellow oyster
I'll post the answer here for future problems
mellow oyster
@wicked crane how do i attach lasers to pistols and guns along with other accessories, im having trouble with it as the option isnt appearing it seems
mellow oyster
So the culprits are:
~Better Sorting
Possibly more tho
olive crow
random mention @mellow oyster the https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?754785167 in the mods.txt leads to a non existent file
mellow oyster
Ye thats an error, but removing the question mark leads to the correct thing
wicked crane
So the culprits are:
~Better Sorting
Possibly more tho
This seems highly unlikely considering that mods mostly only translations
You really should start adding mods one at a time in a new save besides things like.. survivor radio and shit that reqs a new save..
mellow oyster
No when i got rid of better sorting the problem subsided. It was only till i added the rest of my mods that it got borked
so it seems better sorting and something else are breaking this.
wicked crane
Hmmm. Britas tweaker lua is probably fighting the Better Sorting's code
I've never heard anyone say this though. Did better sorting update again?
Sounds like they're trying to replace same items and calibers
Ie. Tweak(base.assaultrifle) in both mods
You started a new save with only Brita and better sorting ?
You need a baseline to go off
Britas mod and others "bakes" changes into your scripts and can't be refreshed by just dropping mods from your load order on a old save
I just feel if two of the most popular mods right now conflicted like this others would complain? Sounds like issue is stemming from another mod or not having a clean save.
abstract raptor
Hmph, I bust my ass recreating a racetrack from one of the most beloved games of all time and this is the response I get
nimble spoke
do whatever you feel like doing with your modding time, haters gonna hate
personally I feel it deserves a kart model
abstract raptor
I've just never had blatant haters on my mods like this before :/
craggy furnace
Workshop comments are worthless and never worth enabling
I care little for what the hoi polloi have to say
It’s feature requests, bitching, and whining
abstract raptor
I just don't get who doesn't like rainbow road
lmao
I honestly thought people would be stoked about a rainbow road map for driving around in
That's like 2 and a half hours of my life I spent making it and some middle schooler from russia calls me a "fag".
RAINBOWS, GAY.
wicked crane
@abstract raptor Everyone's a critic
carmine cosmos
The only people whose opinion you should be concerned about when it comes to the quality of mods are other modders... at least that my honest opinion, which means you should care about it 😛
abstract raptor
I literally faithfully recreated to the best of my ability an SNES game racetrack and put it into a different game, with custom tiles and shit
its like
that took work, these idiots come out of the woodwork to be critics, with no valid critique other than "RAINBOWS GAY" like some sort of homophobic 90s school bully.
carmine cosmos
That's internet... but I think you already know that 🙂
abstract raptor
eh I'm used to people telling me my mods are awesome so I feel like shit right now
carmine cosmos
Well that's kinda sad 😢
autumn garnet
It's always easier to criticize than to create ... I think it would be fun to include custom cars for this circuit 🙂
and obstacles 😛
late hound
@abstract raptor Don't feel bummed about the workshop comments. Like what shark here said, only value the comments and feedback from the people that matter to you the most. It's impossible to have everybody like and approve something. Like what nurver here said, everybody is a critic. Shrug it off, roll with the punches. The internet has many haters. Have some pride in what you make. You should feel proud of things that you make that make your friends and close associates happy and have fun.
craggy furnace
time to retexture
craggy furnace
🤢
carmine cosmos
Not a big fan of the second one 🤢
carmine cosmos
Good man! 👏
craggy furnace
it needs a larger image (and there for more detailed and smaller patterns on the suit), some shadowing, detailing, etc
hollow shadow
carmine cosmos
The more time I spend here, the I less I know what is in vanilla 🤣
Especially when I don't play for a couple of weeks
night shard
time to retexture
not sure if this life hack would work, but you can take the same texture turn it in to black and white then use it as a shadow layer
and then added the second texture
craggy furnace
gonna be a tad more complex than that
i need to find a good overlay texture in M81 and saturate it and cookie cut it
then do shadow and smudging with some detailing
craggy furnace
@carmine cosmos better?
carmine cosmos
Yes, but I would still love to see more bumpmapping 🌩️
craggy furnace
along the black line?
carmine cosmos
Do the clothes grooves
The colors are great now, but it still looks like a flat surface
craggy furnace
ikr
carmine cosmos
I forgot what's that process called when you bake 3D geometry to a 2D plane
Haven't played around with textures a while 🤔
carmine cosmos
Try to make it look as much 3D as you can, by adding some depth
craggy furnace
yep
carmine cosmos
Yea you know your stuff, I am just telling you what I feel 😛
carmine cosmos
ill do it around the sides, groin, and legs
That should do it, its gonna be enough
craggy furnace
needs just one lighter color striping and a darker to indent it
hollow shadow
needs just one lighter color striping and a darker to indent it
are you doing a retexture or remodal and retexture of pants?
hollow shadow
its one combined
oh realy? let me know if you get the pants remodel working
tame mulch
wicked crane
YESSSSS!!! Kingsmouth get some love again
hexed anchor
drifting ore
yeee
i suggest strongly trying to set sails and then go have dinner while the boat brings you to a new undiscovered island
wicked crane
i suggest strongly trying to set sails and then go have dinner while the boat br...
you way over estimate my maritime navigational capabilities x)
drifting ore
nah you will see, it's like everything in PZ, it takes some time to get the hang of it, but after a while it's just so cool
autumn garnet
it's already Christmas 🤤 amazing !
nimble spoke
zomboid and it's amazing mod community
when we finally get player models inside cars I think we should have jet skis/water bikes whatever they are called
shrewd grove
when we finally get player models inside cars I think we should have jet skis/wa...
i got stuff on the shelves for when that happens filcher
nimble spoke
Yeah, I was working on a mod that would have a placeholder person on the bike, Filibuster even helped me with the model, but I decided to work on other things first
I don't even have my driving time ready for build 41 yet, so that can wait
old harbor
the potential of this game (and you guys) amazes me
plucky nova
is there a way to spawn a boat ?
because i really want to try out the mod
but i cant find any boats
drifting ore
yes, you can download the mod AUD, stands for Aiteron Utility Debug
you will be able to spawn a boat easily
@plucky nova
plucky nova
i just tried that, about to go sailing!
drifting ore
enjoy!
plucky nova
also, can you maybe increase the spawnrate of boats in riverside?
just a suggestion
but amazing mod!
drifting ore
if you start the game in debug mode you might want to increase wind speed if the weather is too calm
drifting ore
for now the spawn mechanics are linked to parking stalls, so it's not in our hands to make it appear specifically in riverside
?
plucky nova
if you start the game in debug mode you might want to increase wind speed if the...
WAIT DOES WIND ACTUALLY WORK
drifting ore
cheers!
drifting ore
yes i did
plucky nova
oh! cool!
well, can i ask you something? because i am having strange problems with it
plucky nova
yeah, i know
so, i get an EXTREME amount of errors just walking around in the map. i checked the console and i THINK its something relating to flowerpots ???
point is, it does not effect gameplay, it just makes me anxious
plucky nova
yeah, that
drifting ore
yes it's, well, normal sort of
plucky nova
yeah, i noticed
but anyway, maybe you could kill two birds with one stone, so to speak, and fix the flowerbed issue and add boat spawns in one update, sometime down the line!
idk shit about making or maintaining mods though, so feel free to disregard this, obviously
drifting ore
currently the boat spawns on trailer with a slight chance, just like cars
plucky nova
yeah, but i mean, in the water
drifting ore
so when you see a car, there os a small chance it will actually be a boat
boats will soon spawn in harbour, like proper boats
flowerbed will be fixed sure
yes in the water
drifting ore
it's okay, i understand the frustration when people play and there are broken elements
it's part of playing an unfinished mod
plucky nova
yeah, i get that, but also, how do i get the boat off the trailer and into the water?
drifting ore
i think IrBrus detailed all that in the mod description
you should have a look at it, the mod is quite complex so you will have many questions like that I think!
plucky nova
no, he didnt sorry
drifting ore
but in that particular case
you bring the boat next to the water (i would suggest driving backward)
leave the car
press v on the boat
and you should see a HUD letting you launch the boat
(IrBrus was really tired, they worked tireleslly to release the mod, thye will release a video to detail how everything works very soon)
plucky nova
ok, thats fair, i was not trying to be rude
hell, im tired rn lol, i get it
well, i look forward to the future of the mod, and also the future of your map
maybe planes in the future? i doubt thats possible though lol
drifting ore
@plucky nova no problem, no offense taken. i wont work on other mods than cherbourg and the boats for the time being'
round zenith
I am going to see if I can get my mod to enable spawning vehicles as a purchasables 
because if its already hard to find cars you want I cant imagine how bad its going to be on MP servers let alone if their are all these trailers and boats taking spawn spots
late hound
tight thunder
I am going to see if I can get my mod to enable spawning vehicles as a purchasab...
I think there was something specifically stated in the ToS that you can't have something purchasable (I'm assuming with IRL currency) in the server , only to purchase the ability to play on a server, unless you had permission prior. Not trying to sound like a jerk but, I would hate for you to work on something that ends up being a waste of time or worse...
wicked crane
I think there was something specifically stated in the ToS that you can't have s...
lol he meant with in game currency
Base.Money
plucky nova
lol he meant with in game currency
lmao, yeah
wicked yacht
Anyone know what the rules are on sharing files the game's lua files? My mod has two files that override the built in lua files and I'd like to upload those files to the mod's git repo, but right now I'm just posting diffs in their place
tight thunder
Anyone know what the rules are on sharing files the game's lua files? My mod has...
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/support/terms-conditions/ this is their ToS, I read it earlier today for no literally no reason, there is a bullet point on that but, your question seems to vague for me to interpret
craggy furnace
if its to the ends of modding the game
if its to the ends of being nefarious or otherwise no
abstract raptor
Anyone know what I'd need to do to make it so I have perma-colored fog and light overlay like what's achievable in debug like this? :3
wicked crane
I would ask in #pz_b42_chat
wicked crane
Anyone know what I'd need to do to make it so I have perma-colored fog and light...
can you force weather to be constant?
abstract raptor
Permafog did it, and I think the toxic fog mod at least turned the fog green
oak flame
Sry by mistale
abstract raptor
somber patio
Would this text be the thoughts of the character or like, actual things they're saying? Just curious
sour island
it's using say() atm- the zombies don't seem to respond at all
I don't see a way to modify color size or anything like that but eventually I'd like some of the phrases to be thought
with a chance for panic or anger to make them spoken
I have a github if you have ideas/suggestions: https://github.com/ChuckTheSheep/Conditional-Speech
cold bloom
Hmph, I bust my ass recreating a racetrack from one of the most beloved games of...
do you enjoy modding or playing with your mod? if the answer is "yes", then why would you care about other people opinion? 🙂
wicked yacht
Would anyone be interested in helping test my respawn mod later? I'm pretty sure I have all the bugs worked out, but would like to test with multiple characters on a server at the same time.
Once I'm sure it's fine and I make a new poster for it I'll upload it to the workshop
wicked yacht
I've got a while loop I can't end
--stuff setting up infile
local temp = tostring(infile:readLine())
while not (temp == nil) do
---stuff with temp
temp = tostring(infile:readLine())
end
infile:close()
I know temp is eventually nil, I don't understand why the loop never ends.
carmine cosmos
I've got a while loop I can't end
```lua
--stuff setting up infile
local temp =...
Are you sure tostring returns nil values?
wicked yacht
Yup, printing it confirms that temp is nil
wicked yacht
how weird
carmine cosmos
java.lang.Object#toString() never returns null either
And good thing it doesn't, way too many things return null 😅
wicked yacht
changing it to while not (temp == nil) "nil" do fixed it.
Thanks, never considered that the nil would be a string
how weird
carmine cosmos
No problem, however your code could use some optimization 😛
wicked yacht
my correction should be while not (temp == "nil") do, derp.
That's what it is in my code, thankfully
carmine cosmos
Are you trying to read only the last line of something?
I don't understand why you are assigning converted value to temp over and over again
wicked yacht
No, reading a settings file one line at a time
carmine cosmos
Either you want to concat the string or build an array of sorts
Okay, but you are overriding temp on every loop iteration
What is the point of doing that, only the last entry will be useful to you
wicked yacht
yes, it's a temp file. I am writing actual data to a different variable based on what is in temp
carmine cosmos
Variable temp is a file?
wicked yacht
No, that is infile. The snippet I shared was an extremely simplified version
carmine cosmos
Also, shouldn't output of readLine() already be a string?
Not sure where that function is coming from 🤔
wicked yacht
Huh, last time I did just readLine I didn't get a string. But a fast test shows it output a string
weird
carmine cosmos
Try getting the class of the object with:
temp:getClass():getName()
That method is exposed, but not sure if it will work
this.exposeMethod(Class.class, Class.class.getMethod("getName"), LuaManager.env);
cunning canyon
got a weird question that's at the intersection of mapping and modding, is it possible via Lua to get the circled name in game, or does that only exist in TileZed and doesn't get exported?
When I do square:getRoom():getName() it will return hall
nimble spoke
fuck I caný get blender to import the vehicle FBX models. Anyone worked with those?
for some reason some models work and some don't
stark abyss
does anyone know what this line means
grizzled grove
ZombRand() returns a random number in the range (0 to 101 in this case)
in english, it's like "If we are hitting a zombie, roll a die, and if it's greater than or equal to the critical chance, then do double damage"
stark abyss
@grizzled grove could i use this line on a trait to give guns a higher crit rate?
grizzled grove
i suppose, or change what the crit chance is
stark abyss
would i need to add modifiers for luck as well
nimble spoke
keep in mind that zombrand seems to never generate the max number, so they usually add + 1 to the value they want. In this case the number generated will be from zero to 100
stark abyss
does this look like it makes sense or is there no need for both luck modifiers
grizzled grove
no need for both
cold bloom
is the variable "chance" (not critchance) used later on?
Regardless, it's better to keep only one of the two "if...end" block for each trait and modify both variables in the same block. It will help readability.
but if chance is not used, you can remove it completely
Furthermore... perhaps you could also check the target's lucky/unlucky traits. Multiplayer is a thing after all 😄
Also, just noticed that "critchance" is not declared nor initialized. It will be 0 by default, -5 for unlucky players and 5 for lucky ones. Is it intended?
(unless it's declared at a wider scope, of course)
autumn garnet
frail brook
for some reason some models work and some don't
do you limit exports to selected objects? Maybe you have to just limit object type to mesh. Never had any issues with fbx other than those two.
late hound
This door is too short....
nimble spoke
@frail brook Some of the vanilla files were in ascii format and blender can't import those. I had to convert them first
south timber
Hey guys since there is no wiki page maybe it's more appropriate I ask there so here is what I'm asking for: #pz_b42_chat message
I'm going afk for a little while so don't worry if I don't answer right now.
cunning canyon
I'm blanking on how to google this question, can someone remind me if this is valid Lua:
foo = {
some_key = 4
}
foo["some_key"]
like, foo["some_key"] is equivilent to foo.some_key, right?
south timber
If I asked that's because I did it but anyways...
cunning canyon
the wiki is a wasteland, anything you do to it would be an improvement
i'm currently working on some of the mapping articles
south timber
Yeah some articles tend to be a little outdated out there I do what I can, I just wanted to make it look more... Modern I'd say.
I'm working on the new items for build 41 but now with 3D it's different that just extracting with the tool we had before for 2D.
cunning canyon
yeah i'm not sure the best way to do that
I know someone has posted here before a model animation viewer thingy
it didn't have skins on it though
south timber
Animzed isn't supposed to be released yet right?
cunning canyon
🤷♂️
warm belfry
hey guys, is here/has been author of superb survivors?
south timber
Well, it's the wasteland as you said haha! I'll continue creating/editing some pages.
warm belfry
I plan on to fixing some buggy/non working parts of that mod, but I sometimes get stuck on things as there is no documentation/almost no comments and digging through the code to find out what even the simplest thing do takes so much time
south timber
I didn't mod on this game but if using an IDE avoids having common typo errors. If you are new to coding though I recommend you avoid using IDEs to be used to typo errors and know where it comes from.
You can use Notepad++ or whatever you want but I personally use Atom.
round zenith
+1 to atom
cunning canyon
in a succinct way that ideally i could then put on the wiki, could someone explain how distribution tables work? Rolls seems pretty clear to me, it's how many times you iterate over the table, but the numbers within the item table, are they a percent out of a hundred chance for that item to appear if that item is randomly selected?
And sometimes i see duplicate items listed in the vanilla tables, does that mean once a index has been rolled on, it won't get rolled on again?
It seems rolls is done per entry
interesting
warm belfry
I didn't mod on this game but if using an IDE avoids having common typo errors. ...
Yeah thanks, Im not new to coding. I worked a loooot in C, a lot in Python, have experience with C++. Unfortunately, from my the depths of my heart I hate Java. Tried to read up on the PZ api. Can someone explain to me, why the engine (i suppose) is written in Java and scripting is done in Lua?
Whats the benefit there?
cunning canyon
@warm belfry that's just a pretty common design choice
engine is in some compiled or byte-coded lang for speed, then have a quick to interpret scripting lang for gameplay, to make iteration and modding easier
Lua is nice because the specification is dead simple to write bindings for your engine, it's like, a hilariously tiny codebase
warm belfry
<@!518365955588489226> that's just a pretty common design choice
what I dont understand here why the game engine was written in Java in first place
cunning canyon
I mean
frail brook
what I dont understand here why the game engine was written in Java in first pla...
performance for sure
cunning canyon
in 2008-2012 LWJGL was HOT
remember this game started dev around the same time Minecraft was popping off
even i wasn't immune to hopping on the LWJGL bandwagon back then lol
unity was around, but the licensing just wasn't as indie friendly as it is now
Unreal, idk that probably cost a fortune back then too
LibGDX was ok, but didn't have much 3D support to speak of
you should be glad they wrote the game in Java rather than XNA, because microsoft dropped support of it only a few years later lmao
warm belfry
Yeah i understand that back in 2013 it made sense
frail brook
If you were to make this game in Unity, you wouldn't get half the performance you are getting now.
cunning canyon
lol
Yeah i highly doubt that as well
that's a very 2014 "Unity muh performance" talking point
warm belfry
I dont really know anything about C#
warm belfry
But I am guessing, as its a C derivate, performance you get from C# should definitely be much higher
cunning canyon
eh
Java and C# are both bytecoded langs afaik
sorry
i'm so bad with words today, let me edit that
warm belfry
Well, after all, there must be a reason Java is not used for game development widely, right?
Or at least PC games
cunning canyon
not really
there's just currently no popular framework for it
if another, more modern, framework / engine like LWJGL dropped, or some other engine supporting it, then it would be hot again
like, why the heck did ruby become popular suddenly in the late 00's??? that should never have happened
but Ruby on Rails happened, and it got hot again
in general C# seems pretty popular right now, and probably won't be going away for awhile
warm belfry
Well, why not use C++?
cunning canyon
on some level, most games do
unity is written in C++
and the C# acts like the lua, allowing you to script for it
warm belfry
I got an impressions from working with it coming from C, that it offers C performance, but so many things are made easier and its OOP
cunning canyon
real reason though: screw that, C# is a nice comfy lang and i don't wanna do memory management when most of my games can use garbage collection just fine
yeah it's also way easier to just mess up
and get memory leaks if used improperly
you're always going to be making these tradeoffs
i wanna make games, not engines
warm belfry
yup, memory managment is a whole skill to learn if you ask me 😄
cunning canyon
or not, if you use C# for the most part
warm belfry
yeah see, thats my point, why didnt the devs rewrite with iwbums the game into some avaible engine? I imagine it would make a lot of things much easier to implement
cunning canyon
Rewrite their entire game?
Using a toolset and Lang they haven’t been using for the last 8 years of development?
That’s just not realistic
I for one would like to see IWBUMS go live and get multiplayer lmao
warm belfry
Well, but now they are stuck implementing the MP for year and half
cunning canyon
That’s not that bad
frail brook
Using a toolset and Lang they haven’t been using for the last 8 years of develop...
If they ever plan to finish PZ and start another game, I think they should start at some point
warm belfry
Something I imagine would take a lot less time if in engine like Unity
cunning canyon
Sure, on their next game
warm belfry
(those are question btw. I do program for living, but in completely different branch of IT)
cunning canyon
I’ve been doing gamedev professionally for almost a decade now
warm belfry
So in your opinion, if the game was rewritten into Unity/Unreal/other avaible engine, would the development time fasten up?
just theoretically
cunning canyon
Eventually, but it’s also about quality of life, who wants to change their whole toolchain after that long?
Not everything is about efficiency
Sometimes you just want a job making a game with the tools you’re comfortable with
If they’re happy and making this game without crunch, more power to them
warm belfry
Well, I dont wanna be mean here, but after that long the game should have been finished
cunning canyon
Finished is very subjective
We’re also way past the age of games being released and then “that’s it”
Like was Minecraft ever finished?
warm belfry
I mean, I was kid when I played PZ first time, now I am a full grown adult with job and a degree
warm belfry
Well, in my opinion Minecraft indeed was finished circa around 2015
After one point, I started to dislike the updates and eventually stopped playing
cunning canyon
k
I think the pz team is doing fine
It’s a fun game and they’re making it more fun
Sometimes good things take time
warm belfry
But you know, I originally thought the focus was on SP
but since NPCs propably will never be implemented, I guess the focus switched on MP
but now we have neither
frail brook
but since NPCs propably will never be implemented, I guess the focus switched on...
single player without npc is what PZ is.
you can disable heli event and play as you are the last person on earth... or are you?
warm belfry
single player without npc is what PZ is.
SP without npcs is not worth playing. It gets really lonely after a while
And you eventually ran out of things to do
frail brook
And you eventually ran out of things to do
well, you can have a nice glass of bleach... not everyone has mental capacity to survive without human interaction...
warm belfry
its just not the experience I find worth investing time in
frail brook
JK. I hope they only make a few npc where you can interact with. kind of TWoM like. old couple that ask you to leave their house or kids asking for food ad etc.
warm belfry
I am hoping more for like full on living and evolving world
NPCs constructing bases and stuff
trading
frail brook
NPC that just don't exist because world has to be "living"
frail brook
NPCs constructing bases and stuff
I don't really believe it's gonna ever happen. We don't have animals with basic behaviors yet
warm belfry
I don't really believe it's gonna ever happen. We don't have animals with basic ...
That should be build 42
but if its gonna take as long as development of 41
im gonna abandon this game
also, I dont think animals is what this game needs right now
frail brook
also, I dont think animals is what this game needs right now
survival game without a companion dog????
zombie/mutant dogs... that would be great addition to enemy diversity right now.
south timber
Created the hand fork page. Incomplete but most of the information are there: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hand_Fork
cunning canyon
Created the hand fork page. Incomplete but most of the information are there: ht...
Awesome!!!!
Even creating stubs for these items like this would be a good start for folks coming in later to update the info manually
south timber
Thanks! 🙂
It took me hours to create that one but I can copy paste some stuff for other similar items so it'll be just a question of minutes I guess.
It's the part where you have all the pain I'd say but as you say yes people would just have to edit and they'll just have to fill some stuff in and done!
cunning canyon
Yeah formatting it is def the hard part
coarse pollen
Well, I dont wanna be mean here, but after that long the game should have been f...
alot of games stay in development for years before release i expect it being that with games you fix one thing and 10 others break
tight thunder
Just a suggestion since I'm too dumb to mod but, can someone make a miata mod for me?
cunning canyon
If a early 90’s Miata mod drops, ping me
wet dune
Try to make the zombie animations alpha styled
stark abyss
if i just copy pasted the bow and arrow mods archery xp system into Kitsunes crossbow mod's lua/client files would crossbow level off the archery skill bar instead of firearms?
wet dune
Ok let me go into a bit more depth, try to make the zombie animations look alot more like the alpha zombies, the alien looking ones
late hound
oh. But that has to do with textures though
wet dune
Could you make it work? I can pay
late hound
IDK what is even happening anymore LOL
wicked yacht
It seems that if I do player = getPlayer() during a B40 MP game there is a chance that the client gets another player's data instead of theirs. Is there a way to ensure that player is that client's player object and not someone elses?
humble kernel
THE POWER... OF THE T-POSE
sour island
does anyone know what the internal stat for panic tolerance/decay is? the one that maxes out at 4 months or so
sour island
good stuff
autumn garnet
Need a pirate sail 🤣 for bandit players
severe ridge
me trying to socialize with a group of friends
deep dust
oh yes
boats: the best vehicle to survive a horde of non aquatic zombies
olive wraith
You know you're playing the right game when you get 100 errors yet the game runs fine
bitter axle
yeah lmao sometimes I just get a giant stream of errors but nothing noticable happens
olive wraith
Most of the issues were caused by the silencer mod
bitter axle
speaking of that mod
or at least a silencer
I've been intenonally using a worse shotgun due to it having a less ear piercing noise when silenced
bitter axle
the spas 12 is pretty good when silenced its just theres a super short pump action that is soooooooooooooo bad
ill see if i cant post a vid of me using it later
olive wraith
No need to
I can just spawn it and test it
I don't know why it has a super short pump action
It's a semi auto
bitter axle
no its another shot gun that sounds super bad
bitter axle
The Serbu super shorty is what it’s called btw
olive wraith
Is it possible to attach trailers to modded vehicles?
Or just code it myself?
I couldn't find anything online to help me
olive wraith
What are you using @bitter axle
olive wraith
Are you using fillbuster's
bitter axle
Yeah
olive wraith
Can you attach trailers?
bitter axle
Yeah though some of the cars attachment points for the trailers aren’t the best
bitter axle
Yeah
olive wraith
The one that adds new trailers?
bitter axle
The gas tank the generator the mobile home and the two one for storage?
olive wraith
Great mod
bitter axle
Yeah it’s really nice
bitter axle
You mean gas?
olive wraith
Yes
bitter axle
No because gas consumption is based off of the stuff you’re powering
bitter axle
Uhhh idk I haven’t had a need for that mobile generator
So I’ve never actually used it 😅
olive wraith
In guessing it's quite a lot
bitter axle
I just don’t really get it’s use tho
olive wraith
It can be better than the small generator
Because it can store more fuel
I think, that's what the mod's page says
bitter axle
Never use that one either
Though I saw one in muldraugh so I might go grab it
I don’t really leave my base for long periods of time
olive wraith
I mean
It can be good
Considering it's a gas trailer
I'm guessing you can store a lot of gas in it
bitter axle
Oh yeah definitely if you don’t have a gas pump in your base it’s like essential
olive wraith
It can be much easier than just, let's say, carrying 20 gas cans to your base
bitter axle
I’m holed in that ranger station south west of muldraugh
I think it’s part of a mod but I’m not sure
olive wraith
Oh yeah definitely if you don’t have a gas pump in your base it’s like essential
You make a base around the gas station?
bitter axle
No there’s a gated off ranger station with a gas pump
It’s part of the south muldraugh map
You should download it it’s really good 😊
olive wraith
That's why
No one really makes bases around vanilla gas pumps
Here's why
They're usually at the outskirts of towns
A lot of zombies are at the outskirts of towns
Rosewood is an example
If you want to leave the city you're gonna find so many zombies
bitter axle
I usually clear out the town before I settle in
Get an ambulance and use a campfire to catch all the zombies on fire
bitter axle
Or just anything with a siren
Sometimes I just ditch the vehicle and chuck a molatov at it if it’s in really bad condition
cerulean ruin
I wish there was more ability to hide or use decoys
severe ridge
1080p HD
sour island
figured out how to add a sound event to Conditional Speech
can't figure out how to change text color unfortunately
wicked yacht
Anyone know if there is any way for two clients with the -debug launch option to connect together (one hosts, the other joins via a steam invite). When either of us are in debug mode neither party is able to connect to the other. This makes debugging a multiplayer mod a bit... difficult.
plucky nova
https://imgur.com/LaMVIdA
https://imgur.com/zjTjNC5
https://imgur.com/g64Vg49
ooooooooooooooooooh! oohhH!ohhhh1 oHHHOH!!!!!!!!!!!
ok but fr mods lookin good so far
just sayin that its kinda goofy sounding when hes scared and just going "OOOOOOH!" over and over again lmao
anyway i am gonna sleep now
carmine cosmos
just sayin that its kinda goofy sounding when hes scared and just going "OOOOOOH...
scenic moss
Someone please. We need a helicopter mod. I put it on 1 time. This is mistake. A mod that allows you to change the settings of the helicopter in an already created game.
This is real?
olive wraith
Yes
One does not even need a mod
You can do that on a vanilla save
So what some people do is make a new sandbox save with whatever settings you want, get that file and replace your original with the one you just created
@scenic moss
scenic moss
@olive wraith How to do it correctly?
Save game with apocalypse settings. 10 months. I would not like to lose him.
carmine cosmos
Someone please. We need a helicopter mod. I put it on 1 time. This is mistake. A...
You mean like a vehicle you can fly around?
Or a mod that allows you to tweak the sadistic AI helicopter settings?
scenic moss
@carmine cosmos Helicopter settings. Arrives frequently. Arrives even at night. Etc.
carmine cosmos
That is actually a great idea!
I have it always disabled because it's too much
Being able to tweak the settings would make it an actual setting I would use for immersion sake
As opposed to something that just makes the game arbitrarily more difficult
olive wraith
<@!365517042888998912> How to do it correctly?
Make a new sandbox settings
And a new character
Then play
After that
Quit the game and go to main menu
Go to load
Click on the file you just created
And open sandbox folder
Then copy the map_sand file
And replace the one in your old save
That's what I usually do
scenic moss
@olive wraith Omg. thank. I'll try
sour island
ooooooooooooooooooh! oohhH!ohhhh1 oHHHOH!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah panic is the odd one out of the bunch since it can climb and drop so quickly- I'm still figuring out the display aspects but- all phrases are "thought" by default. If there's a ! at the end it's as loud as a sneaking shout, if it's all caps it's as loud as a normal shout.
there's a bit of RNG (20% x panic level) chance for it to be a full on scream
in those examples he's technically blurting out oh's and crap's before full on screaming
unfortunately I can't figure out the color code for Say() - regardless of the color I put in it remains white
I'm probably going to remove panic from the moodle set and give it it's own custom event
olive wraith
What's that?
Its a good poster
But what is it about?
How does it improve respawning?
anyways, anybody here knows why my modded items aren't spawning?
MREs from the MRE mod isn't spawning at all
No its not bad luck
It isn't spawning at all
wicked yacht
It gives you the ability to fully respawn, with optional skill xp loss for those that want death to have some sort of negative
drifting ore
My MRE mod working great
olive wraith
is that the one with 200 ratings?
drifting ore
is that the one with 200 ratings?
I don't really remember, but you can check. The same developer have made guns mod
sour island
did you start a new save with it?
any mod that adds items means the items will only spawn in new instances
sour island
is the mod enabled? (silly question)
olive wraith
yes
sour island
idk then- where are they supposed to spawn?
olive wraith
on zombies
in kitchens
in police stations
and military bases
checked every single one
sour island
try commenting on the mod page
olive wraith
author isn't responding
bitter axle
@wicked yacht that mod poster looks great!
wicked yacht
Thanks!
cunning canyon
Anyone know the name of the font used on radio broadcasts?
or a similar one i could use?
sour island
it's a bit font afaik
cunning canyon
i can see from the files thats how its been cached, but i was wondering if there was a regular font file it was rendered from
willow estuary
grizzled grove
any chance you could make it look more patchy?
willow estuary
Well-made fur garments don't look patchy? I'm not gonna go deep enough with this where there's different textures for different skill levels and so forth.
^ Rabbit Fur
grizzled grove
given the inventory, i thought it was handmade
sour island
boots with the fur
sour island
volumetric color shading- less volume = grayed out
it was a bitch and a half to get the math right
it doesn't look like much- but it isn't just lowering rgb codes
players can set their own color via mp color in main menu too
carmine cosmos
This is great for emotion based speech as well
Angry/pain can be red, scarred can be blue etc.
cunning canyon
Idk what the policy is for cross posting, but my mod is done 👀 https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2398274461
carmine cosmos
@plucky nova I encourage you to report problems or ask help for Conditional Speech here:
https://github.com/real-coco-labs/pz-cnd-speech/issues/new
cunning canyon
@plucky nova what is the issue you encountered with my mod?
plucky nova
oh hi
cunning canyon
If there's a specific mod incompatibility it'd be good to know
plucky nova
<@!310443970083946496> what is the issue you encountered with my mod?
well, when i start up a game, it immediately gives me 74 errors right when i load in, and then every 10 or so seconds i get 10 more
and then i walked outside and it just skyrocketed
plucky nova
yeah sure
cunning canyon
🙏
plucky nova
idk what to look for though
cunning canyon
uh i'm not sure either, let me see if there's a guide somewhere 😅
plucky nova
here, go nuts lol
plucky nova
look, as i said, i have a lot of mods, so good luck
cunning canyon
lol
cunning canyon
Thanks!
cunning canyon
I’m so glad! Please let me know how it works out, I know it’s a late game thing so it might be a minute before you get to fix any weather stations, but I’m looking to tweak it and make sure it’s as enjoyable as possible!
The new areas should provide some fun exploration opportunities in the meantime 😉
craggy furnace
currently working with an implementing all of my stuff now
ill definitely give it ago on my next serious run
do give me a shout if you need some model support i may be able to throw something your way
abstract raptor
@craggy furnace will you make me a model
craggy furnace
@abstract raptor depends
abstract raptor
For vanity reasons I was looking into maybe learning blender to make this outfit
craggy furnace
i can already tell you thats a major undertaking
craggy furnace
i can tell you its both a technical issue and a model issue
you could make a dress but it also needs to abide by the skeleton
it cant be too long because there is also clipping and rigidity
abstract raptor
darn
craggy furnace
i have a duster under wraps with the same issues
abstract raptor
What if I made it into seperate pieces that have to be worn together for the full effect
craggy furnace
youd have issues with that too
because you must clip them onto specific bones on the body and bodypositions
abstract raptor
darn I just wanna wear my cyber dress
craggy furnace
i feel you
abstract raptor
with my cyber jeans and boots like a big gay cyber person
craggy furnace
wait for animzed
should be better support
pawlow and myself have a hell of a time doing what we do
there just was no documentation for it and everything is painstaking
craggy furnace
yeah youd see it
if you wanna do a trick
go get a dress texture from vanilla and modify it and erase the spots you dont want to simulate what you want for the dress
then add designs onto it, etc
abstract raptor
hm
sonic helm
abstract raptor
abstract raptor
cunning canyon
That’s actually pretty good
cunning canyon
It captures the spirit. Too much color variation tho
In the model
Need to remove some red and reduce the saturation
abstract raptor
😭
cunning canyon
I was not trying to be harsh sorry, I thought you were asking for possible tips to make it look closer
Tbh purple is my favorite color so I like anything with more purple lmao
quasi ginkgo
amazing
quasi ginkgo
but why is this one having weird google? it look up weirdly
craggy furnace
night shard
found these in a nostalgic game (the last stand games)
now I just need to learn how to make them
cunning canyon
Does spiffo scrape the workshop for new releases or do I have to dm it or something?
plucky nova
how do i change a boat's battery?
drifting ore
@plucky nova did you ask on workshop?
plucky nova
nah, i didnt
drifting ore
please do irBrus will answer you
plucky nova
ok thanks
sour island
question for anyone who may know- if I wanted to create a new variable for playerobjects what would the path be that I'd be assigning it to?
Also is there a way to grab all playerobjects?
nimble spoke
player objects?
IsoPlayer?
You probably want to add mod data. Which is basically a lua table, so you can add whatever you want
sour island
I'll take a look
my mod has a bunch of functions working off a table and it's breaking with NPC mods- so I'm trying to make each "player" have it's own table copied over from the global one
would moddata be used for this?
nimble spoke
yeah, but be careful, by making player mod data be a copy of a global table you could easily break other mods that use player mod data too
add your own table to mod data instead
sour island
yeah its a global var that is a table
to clarify
having trouble setting it though- can't seem to get it on OnCreatePlayer()
nimble spoke
I use OnCreatePlayer in my extra skills system
sour island
and that works for players when loading?
I'm getting a weird error 'trying to index non-table' but I don't see how
nimble spoke
That's when I add the mod data table, it is already there when you load
sour island
I think the error came from:
if not player.getModData().MoodleArray
I realized the code may not like that
if x == nil works
well, doesn't spit out an error- it will work eventually lol
thanks for the confirmation about oncreate
round zenith
Does spiffo scrape the workshop for new releases or do I have to dm it or someth...
@cunning canyon it scrapes the workshop
sour island
@nimble spoke OnCreatePlayer relies on a playerID rather than playerobject? I'm noticing other eventhooks have arguments baked in is there any documentation for this?
frozen shale
Hello, anyone knows how to create custom clothing mod?
carmine cosmos
Hello, anyone knows how to create custom clothing mod?
nimble spoke
@sour island I think there is but it is most probably outdated
sour island
I figured most of it out- I used OnCreateSurvivor though to be more friendly to NPC mods
however I don't think there's an update for survivors only for players
sour island
nvm I broke my volume code so the npc were actually talking I just couldn't hear them lol
sour island
Conditional Speech works with NPCs built-in
my goal of it being a general dialogue framework is sort of almost there...
umbral raptor
does anyone know where the dialogue of the TV is stored at and their channels are stored at
sour island
isn't in the radio data xml?
umbral raptor
im not sure, i only saw radio and im not sure if it pops up on TV too
and the channels too, where they are
sour island
if you know a TV only line you can ctrl+f it
I think the commercial for the $49.99 dollar toy is tv only
umbral raptor
found it there
old harbor
found these in a nostalgic game (the last stand games)
those games are epic
sour island
advertCat maybe?
umbral raptor
there's this
weird thing is that there's a few lines that has advertcart="none"
so might either not be it or the lines with advertcat=none means it plays in all channels?
oh i figured it out
question: do i make a new radiodat file or do i just copy the one already present and add onto it?
abstract raptor
hi
You use wordzed to make an xml file that goes in the radio folder under media.
fallow bridge
crap-p, love the mod but i find it hilarious that they are stuttering at the end of words
makes it funny
and unique
so 👍
sour island
lol, at that volume they're screaming and in panic
why does everyone keep bringing up the stuttering :\
fallow bridge
because nobody irl stutters at the end of a word xD
at all
i as a person who used to stutter can tell ya that
it's always at the start of a word
sour island
with fear... 👼
shrewd grove
more than likely when people panic and get fearful they just start cursing a storm
sour island
they're doing that too- i'm not sure why the weighted pick isn't working
they're supposed to pick from the end of the list with the worse words
fallow bridge
i mean the mod your making is pretty ambitious
it's bound to not work exactly 100%
sour island
nah it's good feed back
night shard
those games are epic
indeed man
drifting ore
Hi, can you make bikes? : D
quasi ginkgo
possible
but just like boats and cars
they require work
anyway
how to increase reading time?
it takes way too long even with fast reader
willow estuary
Bicycles/motorcycles/etc are currently "impossible" in the sense that the character riding them would not be visible, and it would just be really laaaaaaammmmmme, and whomever made it would get endless complaints and bug reports.
abstract raptor
I'm trying to make a new movable, but for some reason it keeps coming up that the movable is invalid
short forge
I managed to figure out how to mod clothing on my own
It wasnt as hard as ppl were making it out to be
sonic pivot
@willow estuary why not have a model of a generic character in a motorcycle suit and helmet that appears when you go inside the vehicle, and have it not visible when youre not in it
shrewd grove
because it still wont be animated?
fallow bridge
<@!456547581439377419> why not have a model of a generic character in a motorcyc...
I don’t think that’s how it works?
We just gotta wait for b42
sonic pivot
no clue how this shit works i just said it cuz it sounded like it might work lmao
fallow bridge
Once we get vehicle interiors we can do shit like that
willow estuary
<@!456547581439377419> why not have a model of a generic character in a motorcyc...
I'd rather wait until I could do something "properly" than half-ass it in the meantime?
It's gonna be weird having identical rider models when there's so much character appearance variation available + it could get confusing in MP
sonic pivot
ye true
fallow bridge
And as I said B42 will have vehicle interiors so once that comes out we can make bikes and shit
Just gotta be patient
grizzled grove
a skateboard would be a fun one too
sonic pivot
skates too!
cunning canyon
I want one of those derpy little 3 wheeled security cars
fallow bridge
You guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves
Someone would have to ANIMATE all that for the game
Not many people are gonna do that
grizzled grove
i could, but there's code work to be done first, for sure
fallow bridge
We need animzed first
sonic pivot
You guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves
yeah ofc we aint epecting all this shit but its fun to imagine and think up of ideas. theres nothing wrong with that
shrewd grove
eh, ive been after posting this thing a dozen and one times, but when the tools exist
i will be finishing this
grizzled grove
I'll be curious to see how the game engine handles extra character joints
quasi ginkgo
pray
willow estuary
If anyone is gonna pull off a skateboard, my money would be on Soul Filcher being the first.
nimble spoke
I am working on a skateboard, but I'm not happy with it right now
I've also worked on a bike before, I just feel that once we get the most needed change for it (visible players inside cars) devs will add bikes anyway
I couldn't find any relevant screenshot damn......
latent orchid
question....if these transport options are possible (ie boats, bikes), why have the devs not tried them yet?
serious question
curious
grizzled grove
maybe they have? generic answer is that there's never enough hours in the day and they have all sorts of things to work on
nimble spoke
they have plans for bikes, it's just that it needs changes to work and look perfect that aren't in the game yet
modders often do things in a hackish manner, and some details slip everyone's attention
shrewd grove
ive had a working motorcycle script ingame for vehicles by cheesing it to a point where stability is a suggestion
nimble spoke
I maanged to get it in a very good balanced way with a third invisible wheel.... back in build 40, then build 41 changed all vehicles sizes and the bike got broken
willow estuary
AFAIK boats have always be a no in vanilla on account of water being intented to serve as a barrier, the way many many many other games do it.
Bikes have enough balance issues I wouldn't count on them being added to vanilla.
nimble spoke
makes sense
willow estuary
Plus, the devs have been pretty upfront and explicit that their intention is that NOWHERE is to be safe from zombies, and, aside from debating logistics, extreme weather that isn't in the game, or some sort of swimmer zombie.... ....boats are pretty fucking safe from the zombies that are in the game?
Like, part of the reason people have such raging hardons for stuff like boats and bikes is that, in theory, they serve as an counter to the zombie and logistical challenges in the game, so,aside from being fun toys, which is understandable people wanting fun things to play with, they would reduce the difficulty of the game.
So, are they going to go through the trouble of nerfing car walls and having zombie tear down sheet ropes and tall fences, just so you can find a boat and live off that thing comfortably and safely?
That makes no sense as something to be included as a vanilla option in the game.