mod_development

[willow tulip]

thats why its all screwy when you load it with a different use delta.

even though its float in the game...

.. but used as int

[bronze yoke]

it's always stored as an int, it's only used as a float

[willow tulip]

Yea, and thats completely cursed. PICK A LANE!!!

also its literally wrapped in
if (worldVersion >= 220) { so the fact that TIS bricks our saves over the smallest of changes is just a few missing if statements -_-

[bronze yoke]

i mean they picked int, i don't think it's weird to treat 'int out of int' as a float percentage

the only thing really unintuitive here is that it's not displayed as an integer in-game, but i don't think that really matters at all

[willow tulip]

they picked int, but store it as a float in memory

or rather, store useDelta as a float

instead of just having maxUses be an int

My thought would be you give items a rightclick 'upgrade' menu thing that tags em with some mod data and changes their internal uses.. or something -_-;

[vast pier]

I genuinely can't think of why they chose a float over an integer

I feel like
ItemUses = 420,
would have sufficed

not to mention that I'm pretty sure the game math can mess up the usedelta total due to rounding numbers

like 500 uses turns into 490 something I think

Is there a genuine reason why they chose 0.01 to define an item as having 100 uses instead of just straight up having it be set to 100 uses ?

[bronze yoke]

i can't think of any reason

[vast pier]

Can you set the usedelta to like,,,, 2 ?

what happens if you do that

ik you can set usedelta to 1

[bronze yoke]

it probably just goes to zero after one use

a lot of code that checks if you have enough uses might just fail actually

[dry stone]

I was asking if Zomboid throttles network traffic yesterday.... The answer is yes. To about 32KB per net tick, 10 net ticks per second. And it's all constants in the jar, not configurable settings

Also that's a drastic oversimplification, but approximately its right heh

[willow tulip]

@sour island wonder how long till I get bored of this concept

(TBF I already had all this code ready for my respawn item mod)

[dry stone]

...Saving items to disk is exactly what I'm doing!

[willow tulip]

takes old mod, changes some of the tooltip descriptions, bingo, new mod!

[willow tulip]

Oh?

[dry stone]

My PZDos mod. I'm doing network file transfers to cache dos games on client machines coming from the server heh

[willow tulip]

Oh, Im trying to literally save parts of the world to disk

so you can import them into a new save

[lost tartan]

the unintuitive thing to me is just that the item scripts suggest that useDelta is a fraction, and that lowering useDelta will slow the consumption of items. that's true for new items, but because existing items' internal state is an integer that was initialized to 1/useDelta as it was set when the item spawned, we don't affect already-in-save items. if it were a [0,1] float internally, it wouldn't have that problem. that's all

[dry stone]

Uhm, definitely keep trying to do that, saving parts of the world sounds super useful lol

[willow tulip]

its so you can continue a run next version.

[dry stone]

even more so if you could somehow load em up in the map editor... but I'm pretty sure the new map tools stil laren't released

[willow tulip]

Nah, you wouldn't be able to load the file in anything except PZ to overwrite part of the world

[frank lintel]

why? are the tools on steam now, broken?

[dry stone]

I mean.. you COULD make it load in the map editor. Just decompile everything, manually figure out all the formats, write conversion tools, do free work you could earn over 100K/year doing professionally...

[bronze yoke]

at this point just write a save converter, doing it this way seems like more work for everyone involved

[willow tulip]

Save converter only converts saves though, that could be badly broken

this will let you import to a new world, new sandbox settings, new mods, etc.

new server if anyones dumb enough to let you import stuff from another server lol

[bronze yoke]

i suppose

[willow tulip]

Anyone know the API to create a directory in username\zomboid\lua?

[bronze yoke]

just create a file in that directory

you can't create a directory alone

[willow tulip]

Oh, right, \ is an escape character.. duh

[bronze yoke]

notepad issue 😅

[willow tulip]

I mean I should be using / anyway...

[bronze yoke]

i just use / for paths since the game is expecting and converting to that format anyway (even if it's finally converted to \ again for windows users)

[willow tulip]

Yea

boo, makes me close the file and everything. whatever happened to my magic memory management. /s

[bronze yoke]

java blows is what happened

[willow tulip]

Ok one very poorly saved container

containerCount:1
itemCount:2
type:Base.Belt2
maxUses:1
currentUses:1
condition:100
type:Base.Socks_Long
maxUses:1
currentUses:1
condition:100

[bronze yoke]

since garbage collection doesn't guarantee when an object is destroyed (or, crucially, that it will *ever* be destroyed) you can't really use object destruction for any kind of logic in a garbage collected language

later java versions have an alternate way of doing this kind of thing, but lua wouldn't be able to use it anyway 😅 lua also gets a different way of doing this much later

[willow tulip]

Hu, never thought id have taken destruction at loss of scope for granted in C++/etc languages.

[bronze yoke]

to me, that is *the* reason to use those languages

[willow tulip]

placement new/delete ftw.

its MY memory, I'll handle it how I want.

[bronze yoke]

woah let's not get crazy

[willow tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/rapidtulip647-rt6-meme-memes-when-they-cry-gif-17041041127031464389

Some of my first code in C# was a memory pool.

[bronze yoke]

i like destructors because they can be used to make things safer (i.e. with file access, it is essentially impossible to not close the file), manual memory management makes things unsafe 😅

[willow tulip]

stupid job exam giving me a C# exam when I only said I knew C++. And then they asked me to reduce all the garbage collection this code was doing.

[bronze yoke]

not that there's no need for it but i don't work within a realm where you need to be the one thinking about that

[willow tulip]

Like so first I had to learn what garbage collection was. Then after I was done being disguested, I learned how to pool objects to prevent destruction and allow reuse

[willow tulip]

Yea, the memory management should be pretty much instrasinc nowadays to the structures you use (smart pointers that keep track of instance count for example)

And if you want a memory pool, there should be a few templated ones ready to go

(unless you really enjoy writing memory pools.. and TBH I kinda do)

[harsh kindle]

hello - the useful barrels mod is (discontinued) but also broken currently due to not a mod issue, has anyone experienced this with similar mods/same mod?

from a forum post: the function ISWorldObjectContextMenu.onFluidInfo = function(player, fluidcontainer) causes the issue from the ISWorldObjectContextMenu.lua file.

local c = ISFluidContainer:new(fluidcontainer); is defined inside of an if statement near the bottom of the function despite being called in a different if statement earlier on. Am I crazy or is there a reason for this? Swapping the definition of the variable fixes the bug, so I am unsure why it is the way it is 🥹

[willow tulip]

fixed size object memory pools are so simple, yet such a powerful optimization

its like the poster child for "Want speed? Spend a little more memory"

[bronze yoke]

it's definitely just a mistake

[harsh kindle]

😭

[bronze yoke]

possibly a vcs mishap

[harsh kindle]

I hope they can hot fix it. I am unsure how having modified client files impacts multiplayer, but I am sure (I hope) there is some check that would prevent me from playing MP with this modified client side

[bronze yoke]

yeah you wouldn't be able to play online

[willow tulip]

You could release a patch that requires the original mod.

[frank lintel]

Java GC is a hoe to deal with if ya never did before

easy way to watch it is in debug IG, bring up your FPS meter. you'll have a bar graph bottom left. showing memory used, free etc in text above the bargraph

[pastel wolf]

i wonder how mods like the only cure disable arm use, It could be fun to try and make a straightjacket

[willow tulip]

Anyone know how to get/set the color of clothing? like how socks come in different colors?

[sonic needle]

its set via the XML controlling it to be randomised

but i have seen lua to force specific textures on clothing

[vast pier]

Cleaned up texture (forgot to include padding so there was alpha layer seams)

Added the tape colors.
Will be experimenting with textures tapes instead of just color swaps.
Basic stuff like camo tapes

[willow tulip]

yea im trying to figure out how to read/write it via lua

getColorRed/etc always returns 1...

getModelIndex is always -1...

[sonic needle]

there is likely no referance for the clothing so returning 1, is it just being literal

you .. would have to find that RGB float, likely a proper command for it. that isnt just getColorRed for instance

fidn the color picker code from the character creator UI? it should have it

[willow tulip]

CURSED. getColor():getR() works, getColorRed() does not.

but getColorRed() is also used over the codebase -_-;

items have TWO DIFFERENT COLORS SOOOO CURSED

[sonic needle]

feels like one was literal, the other was float

[willow tulip]

both are float, both are SUPPOSED to be the same value...

but apparently not all code properly syncs them

[sonic needle]

zomboid things

[frank lintel]

how hard is it to remove flags from an object like 'streetlight' apparently just found out xmas string lights are some reason flagged as streetlights so when power dies. so do they...

[willow tulip]

Likely need to do a full file override

Not sure if its doable from Lua

[frank lintel]

thats what I was afraid of sadly

[willow tulip]

See if the getFlags (Or whatever) function returns a container object

[frank lintel]

oh I dont know lua at all, java I'd be somewhat versed but no pro at it.

hard enough me just trying to figure out like for debugging errors I find how to set up my workspace to be able to grind thru the code

[sonic needle]

Sexy Ewe

[lavish gulch]

Just checking that this isn't against the rules before I link it; am I allowed to post a steam workshop link to a simple mod (designed for MP communities) I've just published, and invite people to test it and see if there's any issues they identify? Or is that breaking the rules?

[sonic needle]

its fine.

[lavish gulch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3703597953

Designed for multiplayer servers so the four classic starting spawn towns don't get overpopulated and trashed so often. Just adds a bunch of hand-curated spawn locations to every named town other than LV.

[frank lintel]

think you'd be better off in #1478418176516558880 or #mod_portal ? not sure

[lavish gulch]

Definitely keen on getting testers to make sure there's nothing wacky

[lavish gulch]

oh interesting i didn't have those channels in my channel list for some reason

[willow tulip]

Now I need to make a file dialog, ugh 😛

also need to save stuff on the floor too I guess... meh.

[sonic needle]

he's so special

[eager vigil]

Is here somebody experienced in making multiplayer mods ? Im like 80% finished with my mod but like even tho im trying to make it mp it only work in sp and i dont know what im missing

[crisp fossil]

What does this mean? I'm using math.floor and math.max, is there some changes related to that?

[bronze yoke]

you tried to multiply two things that can't be multiplied

unless you're doing weird metatable shit that means something isn't actually a number

[dull moss]

sounds like something that one guy with lizard pfp would do

(not prog, other dude)

[dull moss]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[eager vigil]

i just dont know how to formulate that question 😄 i would send the files for somebody to check if he can find something that i cant

[dull moss]

I can guarantee nobody is going to do that

[eager vigil]

because console is not telling me shit

[dull moss]

then start adding prints

[eager vigil]

i thougt so

[dull moss]

prints are your friends if somehting aint working and there are no errors

:D

[eager vigil]

its like when i start in sp console have prints and mod work as soon as i press "host" and start game console is quiet and it looks like mod no longer exist :d

[dull moss]

Is your code in client folder?

[eager vigil]

so i just found this .. the last is my mod this is in coop console and in sp it works but this is closest i've been to solution or at least i know what seems to be the problem i guess

WARN : Mod f:0, t:1775809091372, st:55 906 052> ZomboidFileSystem.loadModAndRequired> required mod "MoodleFramework" not found
WARN : Mod f:0, t:1775809091372, st:55 906 052> ZomboidFileSystem.loadModAndRequired> required mod "MoodleFramework_SafetyPatch" not found
WARN : Mod f:0, t:1775809091373, st:55 906 052> ZomboidFileSystem.loadModAndRequired> required mod "RadiationStormRedux" not found

[willow tulip]

are there any functions for getting a list of files in username\zomboid\lua ?

[buoyant violet]

stop my fear of radials

[eager vigil]

i love it

[lusty drift]

idea for you guys: can you make us be able to melt butter and put it into bottles/containers

just basically treat it as a transportable drinkable callery liquid

i cant spell

[lusty drift]

its like im doing gtav yoga ❤️🤩

[silent zealot]

Good news @sonic needle, @vast pier and anyone else wanting custom reload types on weapons: I've figured a workaround for the changes in B42.16. Whenever the game tries to set the the reload type to a value from the enum list, we set it to what we want instead!

[willow tulip]

Meanwhile im surprised those two events exist.

[silent zealot]

Drop that into shared, rename it to avoid any conflicts, change the gunFullType and desiredReloadType and (very important) change the two occurances of NepOG_setAnimVariableFix to something else. Literally anything else, it just has to be different so multiple mods using this fix can play nice with each other.

Extensively tested for approximately 5 minutes in single player. 😛

[dull moss]

won't making ISBaseTimedAction.NepOG_setAnimVariableFix = ISBaseTimedAction.setAnimVariable local also work?

as long as your override is still global

[buoyant violet]

nice

I knew we had to hook into the time actions, I just got so lazy about and never looked into it cuz I know we will eventually have a way for it

[silent zealot]

I'm working with Ash to see if we can also make thinsg work when aiming... since a bow also needs different aiming animations

[buoyant violet]

yeah ash bow needs a fix like this now, else it wont work or will look weird so makes sense

in my case, since I am just owkring with guns I was fine waiting for now

let me know if yall need help with anything I had an idea of possibly where to target but never got around looking

[sonic needle]

struggling to detect, and force bow to use new aim state

[buoyant violet]

@silent zealot @sonic needle idk if you still having problems, i try the code earlier but the reload was having a bit of issues

try this perhaps

require "TimedActions/ISBaseTimedAction"
require "TimedActions/ISReloadWeaponAction"
require "TimedActions/ISEjectMagazine"
require "TimedActions/ISInsertMagazine"
require "TimedActions/ISRackFirearm"

local customReloadAnims = {
    ["MWA.FAL"] = "FAL",
    ["MWA.G3"] = "MP5",
    ["MWA.M1_GARAND"] = "m1reload",
}

local function overrideReloadType(action)
    local gun = action.gun
    if gun then
        local reloadType = customReloadAnims[gun:getFullType()]
        if reloadType then
            action:setAnimVariable("WeaponReloadType", reloadType)
        end
    end
end

local origReloadStart = ISReloadWeaponAction.start
function ISReloadWeaponAction:start()
    origReloadStart(self)
    overrideReloadType(self)
end

local origEjectStart = ISEjectMagazine.start
function ISEjectMagazine:start()
    origEjectStart(self)
    overrideReloadType(self)
end

local origInsertStart = ISInsertMagazine.start
function ISInsertMagazine:start()
    origInsertStart(self)
    overrideReloadType(self)
end

local origRackStart = ISRackFirearm.start
function ISRackFirearm:start()
    origRackStart(self)
    overrideReloadType(self)
end

[silent zealot]

...I forgot to check guns with magazines

[buoyant violet]

altho the problem is the aim right

[silent zealot]

Since the ones I was was working with all have no serate magazine object

Yeah, and it's tricky because aim is not tied to a timed action

And I don't understand the quirks of the animation systems conditionals very well.

[sonic needle]

i got it to enable for 0.01s.

hope isnt lost.

[silent zealot]

Just do that on hundreds times and run it in a second long loop.

Also, check the animation monitor with the show ticks enabled and see if you can tell what is ruining it

Anim monitor can show all the animations happening and evey change to an animation variable

[sonic needle]

it just means, that performing the action, reload succeeds in true, for a fraction of a second while aiming,
it cant be permenant

need another way to force it

gonna try a custom action.

[eager vigil]

so i finished the mod maybe if there was somebody bored and wanted to play i would appreciate any playtests 😄 i have no friends so im not sure about multiplayer but it should work - it has no visuals yet but it has like storm through whole map with one safezone but it cycles every few days to other place if u stay outside safe zone for long you will be loosing stamina, doing smaller dmg and much more or less

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3703792549

[willow tulip]

@red tiger is working on an API (java mod) to allow custom shaders 🙂

although you could prob do some simple screen overlays. (static type effects are popular for radiation)

[eager vigil]

that would be awesome i really need that i was trying to add some visuals but i was able to only just make smaller view distance simmilar to read while walking

[eager vigil]

i didnt even think of that 😄

[red tiger]

I'm caught up getting HTML emulation for UI/UX framework stuff atm but yes shaders.

[willow tulip]

yea just have a couple noise textures, maybe not 1:1 but like 1024x1024 and display say, 90% of the texture over the screen, randomly switch between 2~3 textures and offset them randomly, should look random enough

or stretch to fit on the width, then scroll the texture up/down at random (so it covers the screen but different parts are shown each frame)

[main pasture]

Black Moons did you try listFilesInZomboidLuaDirectory (from LuaManager.java)?

[willow tulip]

Nope I missed that, lemme check

Nice, looks perfect.

[eager vigil]

i think i would maybe like to make it more complicated later like adding working hazmat suits and gas masks but i want to have the safezone visually be different from rest of like radiated zone just hope that i did everything right rn because after i finally made it work on hosted game it made safezone outside of map but i fixed it then the main thing i wanted to work with it the "rv interior" didnt work that is like my main focus rn to make it work with that

[willow tulip]

Yea you'll have to give like a safezone to the RV interiour area of the map

I think its just across the river or something... use fast move cheat to just walk outta your RV walls

[eager vigil]

yes but only if the rv is parked in the safe zone on regular map

[willow tulip]

You'll have to hook the enter RV stuff for that

[eager vigil]

i was going through that mod im not sure if i saw there anything that i could hook it on

[willow tulip]

Tested, works 🙂 thanks! I missed that looking for files and directory in the javadocs somehow

Now its just the simple matter of... writing the entire rest of the file save/load dialog.

https://tenor.com/view/rugby-yay-gif-3156747878755757137

discretely deletes #mod_portal request

todays free shitty code of the day: Save/Load of tables to disk

local function writeTable(writer, tableToWrite)
    local entryCount = 0;
    for k, v in pairs(tableToWrite) do
        entryCount = entryCount + 1;
    end
    writer:write("entryCount:"..tostring(entryCount).."\r\n");
    for k, v in pairs(tableToWrite) do
        writer:write(tostring(k)..":"..tostring(v).."\r\n");
    end
end

local function readEntry(reader)
    local text = reader:readLine();
    if text == nil then 
        return nil 
    end
    local it = string.gmatch(text,"[^:]+");
    return {key = it(), value = it()}
end

local function readTable(reader)
    local header = readEntry(reader)
    if header == nil then 
        print("Header not found in readTable");
        return 
    end
    if header.key ~= "entryCount" then 
        print("Incorrect key. Expected entryCount, found " .. header.key); 
    return end;
    print("entryCount " .. header.value)
    local tableToRead = {}
    for entry = 1, tonumber(header.value) do
        local entryData = readEntry(reader);
        tableToRead[entryData.key] = entryData.value;
    end
    return tableToRead;
end

[main pasture]

I usually grep over all the lua and decompiled java files to figure out if something exists

[willow tulip]

Same. but directory and files where not great keywords

[main pasture]

Yeah. It often returns way too much stuff on the first search

[willow tulip]

Doesn't help that theres like, entire file classes and such that im sure are not LUA exposed

Like, I didn't even bother checking because I knew the chance of them being exposed in B42.16 was next to nil.

[main pasture]

Also lots of stuff that just isn't used in the lua anywhere

That function wasn't used once

[willow tulip]

if there was going to be a 'scan directory for files' function it would have been a global/specalized with security function like you found -_-

[willow tulip]

Yea, and yet it has the new double dot security measures and stuff

Clearly its for modders 🙂

listFilesInZomboidLuaDirectory doesn't even show up in any of my installed mods -_-;

[main pasture]

Theres is also listFilesInModDirectory that is exposed to lua

[willow tulip]

Guess im one of the few whose wanted to make generic file I/O -_-;

[willow tulip]

Yea I don't get that one lol.

same with the mod file writer

"Cool, I can make my mod self-fail the checksum tests"

Make a mod that purposefully just erases some other mod.

"Common sense patch" (just deletes common sense)

"Now with 0 errors!"

[main pasture]

But then coudn't you just overwrite those with empty files without lua

[willow tulip]

Sure, but your ruining about the only use case I can think of here. 😛

"Here as TIS, we support security... And self modifying code"

[main pasture]

Maybe you could use it to save stuff that then gets automatically deleted with the mod

[willow tulip]

I guess?

Honestly kinda cruel though. "I'll erase all your saved data if you unsubscribe from my mod, even just for an instant!"

(especially considering how often you need to unsub/resub just because steam)

Maybe could be used for cache data or something, like if you spent time rendering something and wanted to save the results? dunno.

I assume loading a texture from \lua is more problematic then your mods media\ folder...

Do textures trigger the checksum or just .lua files?

[main pasture]

I was thinking more about the lua folder being filled with unused files over time

[willow tulip]

Yea but mod folders are super volatile since they get fully erased on unsub

@dry stone might be interested in the concept

store your mods cached downloaded files in your mod folder so they get cleaned on unsub-resub, instead of \lua where they persist forever

(since presumably, if those files get deleted it just causes a re-download)

And might even let unsub-resub fix some weird edge cases where the files get corrupt

(instead of trying to instruct people to find a folder and delete files...)

plus hes actually downloading gasp entire megabytes of floopys.. and maybe even a whole 40meg hard drive or two.

while most people throwing stuff in \lua are filling it with kilobytes.

(and complaining about file count itself is a bit rich when zomboid uses 100,000+ files per savegame)

[lusty drift]

can you guys add a mod that lets me free fall turds over my garden plots for fertalizer?

seems realistic

[willow tulip]

Sure. Will we? unlikely.

[lusty drift]

i need to fertalize my potatos they demand nutrients

theyre growing vines

potatoboid

irishboid

[eager vigil]

😄 😄 when ifinish my mod i can look into that

[lusty drift]

thank you i also really need to shit ing

surely you get it

[eager vigil]

but it will come with diarhea and food poisoning expanded

[lusty drift]

no problem

i dont mind my ass being a wave of nutrients

add kebabs

[eager vigil]

so its not just butterflys and rainbows but i focus on other mod rn after that i can check it out

[lusty drift]

guarenteed food poisoning even w/ specific traits

if youre gonna add shitting you might aswell add the whole package

add the foods

different types

of stool

etc

shit (no pun intended) let us store it

for the future

i will dedicate my self to making a pooboid vault a basement dedicated to turd storage

my potatos must prevail

[willow tulip]

Nice, iv been wanting to add a new food poisoning system to the game TBH

My thoughts so far: Instead of killing you, it should get you killed

I was thinking it could either limit your max endurance (maybe that sucks too much especially with people wondering why resting isn't removing their moodle) or cause extra fatigue/endurance loss from actions

(or just a constant fatigue/endurance loss)

You'll have to do some playtesting on that ;0

Considering the first level endurance/tiredness is 50% damage, and 2nd is 20% damage... those are huge debuffs that are right up their with outright murdering the player if he gets into a fight he can't avoid

Honestly, I think the 50->20->10->5% damage on exhaustion/tiredness should be more like 75->50->25->10, especially considering exhaustion and tiredness stack -_-

25% is already a near death sentence, 20% is crazy, 10% is just murder, 5% is 'WHY WON'T YOU DIE IV HIT YOU 30 TIMES'

[eager vigil]

my radiation currently is doing pretty much the same although it add some anxiety too i think it wouldnt be that hard i just suck with models

[willow tulip]

I wanted to add food poisoning for my realistic cooking mod, if you cooked while covered in blood/dirt

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1476653544189857853/1481439482858442962/image.png?ex=69da35c8&is=69d8e448&hm=0ebeafff0a339ef2ab8340236de00fba4b8564ef5a34d6bce2285645ef4364d9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

Someday I'll give it a proper release 😛

[eager vigil]

omg that sounds wonderfull i love cooking in this game so much like im allways experimenting with spices and stuff that is something i love the most right after the annotated maps 😄

[lusty drift]

you mind adding worms to the turd mod

so that way they increase hunger usage

if you eat your own shit

or trash food

like rotten

why do i have so many ideas for a mod about shitting

[eager vigil]

maybe you should do it

[lusty drift]

i cant be asked to try wiht this game

i cant even work on my c# projects for > 5 mintues

[eager vigil]

this is better this is lua it is simpler :DDDD

[lusty drift]

i know

ive done roblox lua before

for many years

it makes me wonder if they support bitwise

on pz

[willow tulip]

haha no

PZ doesn't even have support for ints in LUA

[lusty drift]

thats one vector of attack gone so it makes me wonder how the 0d worked

i thought they supported bitwise

so i thought they did some weird memory shit

i guess if there is ever a study released or whatever then maybe we will know

[lusty drift]

ah they didnt add it to their luajit?

[willow tulip]

nope.

[lusty drift]

dang

ig you wouldnt need memory management on this

[willow tulip]

AFAIK latest LUA has some kinda support for it (And IIRC some people have made extensions to do it) but no native support

[lusty drift]

ahh i see

[willow tulip]

and PZ lua is very old

[lusty drift]

yes true

it is an acient game

with an ancient codebase

[warped grotto]

why is all the pages in the wiki for modding empty? i cant figure out what halve of the item params do

[willow tulip]

decompile the java source

[eager vigil]

just go through game files then 😄

[willow tulip]

https://github.com/demiurgeQuantified/ZomboidDecompiler

download, install, set JAVA_HOME=yourjava25 dir, run .bat file, done

Worlds shittyest file open dialog, DEPLOY!

[frank lintel]

what is that? something you wrote up?

[willow tulip]

Yea. file dialog for my container saver/loader

[frank lintel]

nice

[willow tulip]

step 1 in being able to move stuff from one save to another.

[frank lintel]

bro if you can make a SP to MP converter that would be epic

[willow tulip]

Hoping to entice @sour island into expanding skill recovery journal into allowing someone to port a character between saves with it.

[vast pier]

Love the "Bullshit_File_Dialog"

[willow tulip]

Technically "Base Saver" but yea 😛

[sour island]

I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I'll be traveling for a week

[frank lintel]

oh I want a character saver esp when Im testing stuff from SP <> MP

[willow tulip]

No rush, you have until B42.17. j/k.

[sour island]

I wanted to tackle EHE when I return - but also SRJ seems to have some serious sync issues with timed actions

Making it server authoritative would probably be the next step

I was hoping to stick to simple item modData 😅

[dry stone]

I used to use the game's mod folder to store dos software... But now i don't save anything beyond the normal static assets there. Software library got moved to Cache_Folder\Lua\PZDos_Files and driven by a new package manager. I DO use the save folder to store per-save computer filesystem data, but that's only because I have/require a Java-side component anyway

[frank lintel]

Finn you work for TiD?

[sour island]

TiD?

[frank lintel]

the indie store

sorry S

(still waking up

[sour island]

God damn moderator 🫡

That was fast

[frank lintel]

roger was gonna ask yas for the love of god please add a 'server is ready' dialog at the end up dedicated bootup

[sour island]

The Indie Dore, yes

I don't work for them

[dry stone]

Lol I just type indie stone and then fix all the typos

[sour island]

I have a workshop role for light moderation purposes

[frank lintel]

I dont use error correction hel I dont see colors, images, icons or any of that stuff I got discord running in IRC mode.

[willow tulip]

Yea, Mainly I was just suggesting the mod folder instead of \lua since an unsub/resub would clear any cache data.

[dry stone]

er you mean unsub/resub clears the MOD folder right?

[willow tulip]

Yea they got to a report I made to spiffo in a few minutes. I guess they are all up in the morning

was very impressed.

[dry stone]

afaik the LUA folder is just kind of a "random junk from mods" folder.

[frank lintel]

you should abeen in salamander chat last night oh boy someone was going off in portugese

[knotty stone]

So, i found the culprit or atleast one possible variable for the self moving trailers for the w900 mod, setting stoppingMovementForce to 0, stops the wheels from spinning and the trailer in response to move, but then why when its set to 3 its over 20 times slower moving than when its set to 1? And why is the petyarbuilt trailers fine? car physics are bonkers <.<

[frank lintel]

no yhou didnt

because those trailers move in vanilla its not mod related

ya might found the reason but its def not mod 'caused'

[knotty stone]

yea but then again, why is petyarbuilt trailers fine? atleast in my last test and they dont have 0

[frank lintel]

I dunno I cant explain it. I was the one who actually caught this first and put in a bug report about it but still havent even seen a reply about it (correction I was in the middle of typing it up but somenoe else posted it so I added to theirs mybad just got done mowing )

[knotty stone]

yea i mean even when the trailer is not moving when alone, if you attach it, it still moves the truck^^

[warped grotto]

Does anyone know if i can use SharpKnife as a crafting requirement? that way i don't have to add every knife and be mod friendly.

[frank lintel]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/93713-42161-animal-trailers-flipping-attached-cars/

[knotty stone]

item 1 tags[base:sharpknife] mode:keep flags[Prop1;IsNotDull;MayDegradeLight],

[frank lintel]

if its too light

a big van or stepvan it wont move it

guess its force vs mass/tire friction in that sense.

biggest issue is why it even movingt at all makes no sense.

[warped grotto]

working on stable release, but that probably answered the question. thanks

[knotty stone]

well you didnt specify that 😄

[warped grotto]

T R U E

[frank lintel]

sorry @knotty stone if I came off standoffish litterally dying here for air after mowing my 45 deg lawn hillside..

[knotty stone]

nah its all fine man

[frank lintel]

yeah after 16 dropped I started noticing every time I would log on my car was moved with the trailer somewhat then go to LV (vic was in muld) I come back and I found it crossed two parking lots lol. so then started doing some testing and soon as I unhooked it noticed it inching up to the car then flipped it over. I was like okay.. thats not right lol started typing then seen Alargetophat's post about it so I added to it

[knotty stone]

found another thing ~.~

not moving by itself even with stop force = 3

moving

so when its completly horizontal its kinda accelerating? xD

[frank lintel]

so yeah somehow some force is pushing them. for no reason.

too bad there isnt a bug discussion channel. hate going off topic like this

[dry stone]

In my mod, I have an item... When that item is created, I need some script event to set a bit of mod data on it with a random number.

is there a "best way" to handle this?

[frank lintel]

math.random?

[dry stone]

I mean the actual event

[frank lintel]

oh cant help there my lua knowledge sux atm

[knotty stone]

in recipe you use OnCreate = function

[dry stone]

Will that go off if it's found as random loot in th world?

[knotty stone]

nope

just for crafting

[dry stone]

Ah, drat.. I was looking at OnCreate before too, but it seemed not flexible enough

Well if I find a way I'll leave a message here. In case someone else searches the discord later with the same question

[knotty stone]

i mean you could always check when events.OnFillContainer fires if your items is there

[dry stone]

oh... I'll try that!

I'm kinda new to lua myself, still learning how to do basics

[vast pier]

Textures still not done, I plan to add in some details like the blade having an actual edge, and possibly adding in visible welds to parts that are welded on instead of threaded/taped.

I plan to start adding in some more cosmetic variants, stuff like camouflage tape, and I also plan to add compatibility with my survival additions mod, which would allow you to attach parts using duck tape instead.

The synthetic parts will also have cosmetic versions like the tape, maybe even some fictional brand logos.

[dry stone]

I figured it out. You do this in the item definition:

    {
        * usual fields here *
        OnCreate = PZDos_OnCreateRandomFloppy,
    }```

Then you make a little function in LUA to catch it (very proof of concept code):

```lua
PZDos = PZDos or {}

function PZDos_OnCreateRandomFloppy(item)
    if not item then return end

    local md = item:getModData()
    if md.PZDosRandomized then
        return
    end

    local n = ZombRand(1, 11) -- 1..10

    item:setName("(3.5HD Floppy) Random Software (" .. tostring(n) .. ")")
    item:setCustomName(true)

    md.PZDosRandomized = true
    md.PZDosRandomValue = n
    md.PZDosDescription = "This item is " .. tostring(n) .. "."

    print("[PZDos] Randomized " .. item:getFullType() .. " -> value " .. tostring(n))
end

It does go off when i create items in the debug item list window.. I think its always supposed to go off on item creation. I'm gonna try making it random world loot and see if it's still working there too

[vast pier]

Why create PZDos and then not use it

[dry stone]

That LUA file will eventually grow

[vast pier]

wouldn't it need to be PZDos.OncreateRandomFloppy

[dry stone]

oh... hmm...

[vast pier]

xd

[dry stone]

I get what you're saying.. I used the underscore in my OnCreate= in the item def as well

so if I swap that for a period which would make more sense, I hope it still works

[vast pier]

I mean it will work either way, it just wouldn't get put into PZDos

[dry stone]

It technically doesn't NEED to be in my PZDos with ..basically the rest of my entire lua-side of my mod...

but its kind of a code smell if it isn't

[vast pier]

I don't bother with it for my oncreate functions, haven't had a reason to

I'm sure there's reason to, I just personally haven't needed to

[dry stone]

Writing software made me a bit of an organization freak over the years

[knotty stone]

its completly not moving

[dry stone]

now all it needs is a massive explosion at the 6 second mark

and then insert clips from the end of terminator 2

[eager vigil]

Hey guys, I’m still working on my mod an now im trying to make a hazard/safe-zone system use the vehicle’s real world position when the player is inside a vehicle interior, instead of using the interior map coords but it’s not working.

Right now I fall back to:

return RSR.getPlayerPos(playerObj)

And when the player is inside the interior (from rv interior mod) I try to use:

local rvData = ModData.get("rvInteriorMod")
local interiorData = vehicleBucket.interiorData[interior.interiorInstance]
return interiorData.vehicleX, interiorData.vehicleY

Then the actual check is just:

local px, py = getEffectivePlayerPos(playerObj)
return RSR.dist2D(px, py, st.safeX, st.safeY) <= radius

So the idea is:

inside vehicle interior -> use stored vehicle world coords
otherwise -> use normal player coords

But in practice it still doesn’t work for some reason. Am I missing some catch or am i dumb pls help
im desperate 🙁 😄

[knotty stone]

if you have enough debug prints you should be able to find where your construct is failing

Hmmm... no wonder you sometimes see ppl attaching trailers and they freak out, vanilla cant handle over 90° vehicle to trailer

[tacit dove]

Guys... What would be the correct BodyLocation for a suit that includes boots, trousers and torso in one item?...

[willow tulip]

AFAIK animal trailers now bug out >50% of the time on attach (vanilla trailers)

[knotty stone]

Thats what iam fighting right now, will have to build a coupling with the physic boxes <.<

[quasi jewel]

Does that command to directly cause a thunderstrike still exist in B42?

[frank lintel]

for admin yes supposedly

[tacit dove]

Seems like it is just "Trousers;Jumper;Hands;Shoes"...

[willow tulip]

So glad they took this opprotunity to make car physics.. worse somehow.

[frank lintel]

oh you can fix the physics of vic with the vehicle editor

[willow tulip]

'but no we can't fix any of the car bugs because we're going to rewrite it all someday!'

[frank lintel]

move the center of gravity forward 3-4 grids they dont squat anymore and drive level

[willow tulip]

@frank lintel Honestly moving the CG forward makes the cars drive so much better too, no more massive understeer, but then they squat forward.

(and wheels start clipping through the ground again)

[frank lintel]

well thats why I dont move it too far

def helps with vans and step vans

was gonna make it a mod if that was even possible cuz any update/or file verify those changes gone poof.

just like the fix for rainbarrels

[willow tulip]

Eh, LUA can override existing vehicles

most of the values anyway.

[frank lintel]

why I was thinking making it a mod vs the IG editor

persistence

[willow tulip]

Yea.

Im pretty sure you could just scan all cars and move it forward. I considered doing as much with RCP, but the forward squat annoyed me... Was hoping someday TIS would have per-wheel springs or something but meh, I think id need to alter baseVehicle to get that working

[frank lintel]

oh me they squat in the rear

like you got 2 tons in the trunk or something

[willow tulip]

there actually is some disabled code in baseVehicle for hydraulics (But they extend so far and so fast they just phase through the ground and sloowwwllyyy lift your vehicle up)

[knotty stone]

lowriders incoming? xD

[frank lintel]

hey here's a question what Lua version we using IG? 5.4?

[bronze yoke]

5.1ish

it's not on-spec but it's based on 5.1

[frank lintel]

k thanks I was looking at reference manuals wanted to make sure I got the right version before wasting time

[tacit dove]

So.... I'm kinda horrified now...

[frank lintel]

?

[tacit dove]

Well...
I tried to make a mod which would add two hazmats. For one of them I've decided to make options to wear it:
All suit without helmet
Trousers and boots
Just trousers

And now I've realised that I need 3 XML files for those extra options

And I do not know what models should I choose for it

The m_MaleModel and m_FemaleModel confuse me

[frank lintel]

heh I was thinking of a hazmat game mode where you had to worry about getting infected from any cuts if you had blood on you etc

[small topaz]

In multiplayer b42, is the game code built in a way such that executing player:setWornItem(bodyLocation, item) always triggers a clothing update on the client?

[tacit dove]

That could be a cool idea tbh

[frank lintel]

why Im digging for Lua reference manuals lol

[tacit dove]

So... Would you maybe have some advice on those xmls?..

[frank lintel]

me no Im a total newb in this game modding.

[tacit dove]

Fair enough.. Thank you anyways

[willow tulip]

@dry stone Saw this on the other PZ modding discord, by @stuck siren
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1405935727442792510/1492237128959262841/Video_del_2026-04-10_20-56-09.webm?ex=69da999f&is=69d9481f&hm=f94dab83b93f49de0fe2196d884c25352693950d1e3d1e46182b5b1155d170f1&

for a second I thought the computer skin was for your dosbox mod

[eager vigil]

i just got my first comment on my mod im so proud lol

[dry stone]

That's pretty cool. It's something I want to do, but it's not that easy.

like you'd need to come up with good in-world text to put on files and such for the player to read

so..writing skills.

[frank lintel]

Question: Can Kahlua2 (PZ's lua) since its made for java implementation. Still call C functions? 🤔

[bronze yoke]

no

[frank lintel]

Just wondering if it works side by side with Java and C or it replaces C.

[bronze yoke]

there is no c involved, kahlua's vm is implemented entirely in java

[frank lintel]

okies thanks rather ask then guess. reading 5.1 manual atm.

[ivory gyro]

How can I make fluidcontainer under 50ml ? I think java limit the minimum amount

    item Naloxon
    {
        DisplayCategory = FirstAid,
        ItemType = base:normal,
        Weight = 0.05,
        UseWhileEquipped = FALSE,
        Icon = AmpouleYellow,
        DisplayName = Naloxon (5mg),
        Medical = true,
        StaticModel = Ampoule,
        WorldStaticModel = AmpouleGround,
        component FluidContainer {
            Capacity = 0.05,
            ContainerName = Ampoule,
            Fluids {
                fluid = Naloxon:0.001,
            }
        }
    }

When I spawn it that show "50ml/50ml"

[frank lintel]

could be wrong but 0.05 would be 50mL wouldnt it?

[ivory gyro]

Same thing with 0.01

[frank lintel]

it could be the bare minimum like you saying then

or its coded not to go lower (hard coded)

[ivory gyro]

Gonna check in java how can I change it, I send it here if I find something

[ivory gyro]

Maybe engine limit ig

public void setCapacity(float capacity) {
    this.capacity = PZMath.max(capacity, 0.05F);
}

found

[frank lintel]

yeah thats what Im thinking like there is an absolute range you have to work within..

heh nice

you gonna make epi pens?

[ivory gyro]

No, I made a remake in b42 of iMeds

(Immersive Medicine)

[frank lintel]

that sounds almost like ACE medical level type stuff from Arma3

different bandages, epi pen, morphine pen, and a few others then go thru the process of bandaging each body part etc

able to go uncon not just outright die etc

[ivory gyro]

Fuck its hardcoded

[ivory gyro]

not at this realism x) Last year i made a mod that reuse 3d model from tarkov

[frank lintel]

interesting

[ivory gyro]

@frank lintel look

[frank lintel]

would but it got yanked

[willow tulip]

Oh, no I was just talking about the way his window looks like a computer

[dry stone]

It did look really nice. Used to have an old 286 when I was a kid that looked a lot like it

[frank lintel]

you want my old cpu I got laying here? its a....

grabs a box....

AMD Phenom II Black x4 965 still in the box..

[dry stone]

My mod adds 35 CPU items to PZ 😄 ... and not a single one of them could run PZ lol

[frank lintel]

also got a spare 1950x threadripper new in a open box never installed

PZ only java really prob even win7 boxes can run this

I just went looking about and I ended up finding a 4 disc set of 1996 Slackware official in the case... lol

[silent zealot]

From Ye Olde Days of buying linux on discs for a few dollars.

Then sharing them with friends, except that lacked the excitement of piracy because it was legal.

[frank lintel]

I'd have to look up what the price of that was I cant remember

$40 according to google in 1996

Standard Set: Walnut Creek CDROM, the official distributor, sold the Slackware 96 4-CD set for $39.95.

[silent zealot]

I remember it being cheaper than that, because anyone could make the discs themselves and there were a few groups doing so at cost.

But that's specific to Sydney Australia and being near a university with linux users groups

[frank lintel]

they also prob had access to a drive burner which wasnt that common either back then

[silent zealot]

Yeah, I had one in 1996 and would copy CDs for cost... $7 per blank.

[frank lintel]

think my first cd burner drive was a creative one made by the same people of soundblaster

[silent zealot]

Then disc prices went down when I found really cheap ones in 25 disc spindles for $2 each

Burning at a blazing 4x speed, so 15 minutes of being extremely careful not to bump the desk or the disk would be ruined.

[frank lintel]

yeah I remember them days

now I got a Pioneer BluRay burner

never use it, just sits in the box when I occasional need to back stuff up

[silent zealot]

It's been a long time since I had a DVD drive hooked up

years ago I was adding a hard drive and went to steal the sata cable from the DVD drive to use, and realized I'd already done so.

I figured if I'd not noticed the drive not being hooked up for 2 years I didn;t need it 😛

Now I have a case that doesn't even have a space for a DVD drive, instead having better cooling.

[frank lintel]

whyI love this pioneer its a portable USB one so just pull it out of the laptop case and plug it into my desktop or laptop when needed

no wasted space

I mean honestly at this point if it was installed in the case it be nothing but a dust collector

[willow tulip]

Most computers will boot off a USB drive these days, so even a recovery CD has limited value these days

[frank lintel]

I just prefer hard copies of stuff old fashioned

[buoyant violet]

tonite we get drunk to celebrate

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-cheers-happy-excited-gif-13406404385856133045

[tame palm]

Dear developers, can the pz module currently link to databases such as mysql or sqlserver? I made a module here. Part of the code involves data storage, which needs to be stored according to the player's steam64id. Because the ID is usually 17 bits, the current pz will force the last three bits of the ID to be ignored, resulting in abnormal data recording. Is there any case linked to the database?

[cinder light]

you could probably do that through java modification, or if you're on a server then probably through lua, and have another code read out the output of the server (where you would inject specific data you want to store using the lua code) although the 2nd option would limit you to a 1 way communication, with the first you would have to burn in and store your credentials locally, which usually is a bad practice. you could also create an api server and have the game talk to that, which talks to your sql server

there might be other ways of doing it though, I do know the savegame is stored in a database, but that's local

[icy night]

I am trying to update a trait mod of mine (I only made changes to the lua script and trait costs) but it wont let me update it as an existing item. keeps saying "Error requesting Steam to update item." Maybe someone knows why this could happen?

[frank lintel]

well just googling... To fix the "Error requesting Steam to update item" (often Error -3 or generic failed update), first restart Steam and log in again to refresh authentication. If that fails, clear the Steam download cache,

[frank lintel]

also last part was... (had to look it up) repair your library directory...
`
Repair Library Folder
The Steam library folder contains all of your installed games on disk. These folders need to be writable by all users in order to update properly. Sometimes these user permissions break and need to be refreshed.

Navigate to your Steam -> Settings -> Storage -> ... -> Repair Folder`

albeit Ive never seen that happen

[eager vigil]

Do you guys know some good reference mod that add item that uses vanilla battery ? I cannot find it in vanilla nowhere or maybe idk im just dumb how it works like i want to add like radiation scanner to my radiation mod so you would know where the safezone is only when it would be turned on and had battery so its more hardcore but i also want to tweak it so battery would run out quicker then from other items

[tame palm]

I tried using URLClassLoader to attach MySQL connectors, but PZ seems to prohibit attaching jar packages through mods

[bright fog]

It's the use delta

[bright fog]

Java mods need manual installation

[frank lintel]

not seems, outright blocks io.* and os.* I believe

[eager vigil]

Oh so i just go use delta then okay

[bright fog]

If I remember right yea, give me a sec I'll verify quickly

UseDelta = 0.006,

Yea that's it

Increasing this number will increase the amount of uses are consumed from the battery

[eager vigil]

Thanks

[frank lintel]

SimKDT you'll likely know this... in mod ordering (this isnt always so Im not assuming) is it top down for depenancies.

Ive seen games being wierd where if B needs mod A to work they have A below B oddly albeit common sense would say A needs to be loaded before B...

[vast pier]

Camo tape, and rusted textures

[bright fog]

It's top down. Mods at the top will be loaded first

In general however, if load order matters, it's either that you did something wrong, that your mod is a patch to a script mod or you are being very aggressive with you are doing (for a good reason or not)

For Lua mods, load order literally doesn't matter, because if you depend on the Lua files of another mod, you should require those files at the top of your files that need to be loaded after those. It's more problematic if you want your Lua files to be loaded last however but there's no good solution for that however, in B41 it was easy to do, and now we're kind of fucked

[frank lintel]

thank you. someone was saying they had a mod kept getting disabled when using 'auto mod ordering' I was thinking they missing a dependant mod so auto order was disabling it. and they couldnt grasp what I meant by dependancies

so rather ask so I knew how ordering went rather then assuming

[willow tulip]

Oh, no thats if you have a 'load before' in your mod, the autosorter just pukes and disables half your mods

EVEN IF THAT OTHER MOD ISN'T BEING USED

[bright fog]

[willow tulip]

I fixed it in like, an hour for bugzapper but never updated bugzapper past B42.14 or something.

also reported it to TIS, so we should see it fixed sometime around... B45

[bright fog]

Yea like Black Moons explained

[frank lintel]

👍

[willow tulip]

I have no idea how drunk TIS was when they wrote the autosorter code because I couldn't even figure out how it worked nevermind how it didn't work.

[frank lintel]

yeah just without knowing to me that was screaming 'hey I cant find your needed mod so Im turning ya off incase..' type shit.

[willow tulip]

I got half as drunk and it was pretty easy to write a replacement

[frank lintel]

was gonna say maybe I'll dig thru java source code and look

[willow tulip]

its LUA

[frank lintel]

the ordering code is Lua wut?

[willow tulip]

Heres my fix

[bright fog]

Lua*

[bright fog]

The whole UI is Lua

The majority of stuff related to UIs are Lua

[frank lintel]

hmmm

[bright fog]

That means the Mod manager is Lua

[willow tulip]

ModLoadOrderPanel:autoSort() is what you wanna find in the vanilla if you wanna edit it

Or just use my code and mention who wrote it if you include it somewhere shrugs

[frank lintel]

ofc

[bright fog]

Don't implement that in your mod, make that something standalone 💀

[willow tulip]

Yea. I really just need someone to go through bugzapper and see what bugs still exist -_-

maybe re-release it since its been hidden long enough nobody remembers it anytmore

also need to rename the files so that they don't cause conflicts with existing mods..

[frank lintel]

If I can get my IDE to start playing ball cuz I been out of the coding world for about 5 years now... if this was pure java I'd be already rolling but just seting up a workplace is new stuff for me. Netbeans dont have this.

[willow tulip]

ModOptions.lua was.. a poor choice in filenames

[willow tulip]

writes in Programmers Notepad

[frank lintel]

and nor does it have the Lua stuff I need so Im going fresh into VSC

[willow tulip]

Has syntax hilighting.. what more do you want? Kids these days...

[frank lintel]

that or Im writing up a plugin for netbeans for Kahlua2 lol which Im not wanting to try

moons Im 55

[willow tulip]

why in my day, I had to program in edlin

[frank lintel]

VI. :P

and no I mean VI not Vim

[willow tulip]

checks.. Edlin was released 1980

[frank lintel]

honestly my first editing was done echo and cat I think

[willow tulip]

Hu, VI actually is from 1978

You win this time!

[frank lintel]

echo's Ctrl-D to Moons terminal

[bright fog]

jeez wtf

[frank lintel]

Im old.. first real computer I used was Unix in 86

on a AT&T minimainframe

[willow tulip]

I think it was like 1992 or somewhere before my first PC, but I was only like 7 at the time.

[frank lintel]

I had an atari 800xl but that was more just a console with a command line

[willow tulip]

I think it was a 8068 later upgraded to 286

[frank lintel]

I owned a very rare 80186

[willow tulip]

I miss the old expanded memory card... DIP's in sockets as far as the eye could see.

[frank lintel]

think they were only on market less then a year

omg I forgot about memory card. wow

[willow tulip]

Back when a gig of ram cost... as much as it does now!

[frank lintel]

lol

did you see the photo I posted yesterday of a old CD rom case I found I still had?

[willow tulip]

At least iv heard some of the datacenters are no longer going up anymore after they realized its not worth building datacenters with ram at 3x normal costs...

[willow tulip]

nope.

[frank lintel]

$40 back then

[willow tulip]

I still had my FF7 box till awhile ago... was pretty bad condition after all the moves so I ended up throwing it out.

I think I still have the CD's in a binder somewhere...

[frank lintel]

I was surprized I still had them in the original case

now that Im thinking about it might as well break out the portal blueray drive and test if the discs even still undamaged

wow talking about flashback 2003 Microsoft Works & MS Money on official CD install

[willow tulip]

@red tiger honestly it just feels like some really weird legacy BS where they should just make GetColorRed call getColor():getR() or just delete GetColorRed already.

[red tiger]

Just wait until people start learning how to hex color values. :)

[willow tulip]

the fact named colors exist (and we can't make new ones?) bugs the hell outta me, especially since it seems the only way to color fluids.

Extra cursed: you can have multiple fluids with the same translated name, and the tooltip displays them as a single fluid

At one point I was considering forcing people to judge their oil quality by the color of the oil.

[frank lintel]

we lucky its not CMYK....

[wintry tree]

Does anyone know where I might be able to look at the code for Graceful's sound dampaning effect?

[willow tulip]

... Should I tell him how dyes have fancy dancy special color blending code?

[frank lintel]

lol

[red tiger]

I'll be adding CMYK and all the color conversion algos.

[frank lintel]

oh I for a short time worked a book printing company colors goes deep deeper then most people even know about

[willow tulip]

Then you should be made aware that TIS blends fluids in the improper gamma colorspace.

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-running-away-run-away-running-away-laughing-laughing-gif-14227942975904398337

[frank lintel]

why am I not suprized...

[willow tulip]

they think 0,0,0 mixed with 255,255,255 50/50% should be 127,127,127 -_-;

[frank lintel]

derps

ah that moment you think colors are linear...

[willow tulip]

Yeeep.

[frank lintel]

lol

[willow tulip]

they forgot the 1.4 gamma correction -_-;

(or was it 2.2 for lighting colorspace? its been so long since I did that part of my engine shaders)

[frank lintel]

this is exactly why I tell people for example.. Im looking at a Orange color and they like no its red... facepalms

[willow tulip]

Yea, the hue shifts are where it gets really apparent your 'doing it wrong'

[frank lintel]

alot of times thats also on the monitor not being calibrated too

the human perception leads to errors cuz they keep trying to correct for something wrong when its their perception that is 'off'

[willow tulip]

My fav is those old games where the dark shadows become a mess of saturated greens and purples

[frank lintel]

heck people forget even the ambient lighting around them effects what they looking at.

[willow tulip]

Yeep.

Ambient light simulation is a pain in the ass too. In brutal nature I just hacked it by adjusting ambient light by depth as you dug deeper lol.

Didn't even bother loading a terrain map into the shader or anything.

[frank lintel]

took me forever to find even lightbulbs that had accurate sun color so my eyesight of colors dont get effected from going from day to night. (used to take photos alot and noticed this was a real issue actually)

[red tiger]

Comix Zone?

[willow tulip]

I was thinking thief

[willow tulip]

hahah yea, I made my own product photo booth. Its really hard to find leds with the same spectrum that don't cause weird rainbow shadows

can't mix CFL and LED's at all

(at least, hard to find cheap leds that match)

im sure if I paid like $500 for proper photograph booth leds everything would be fine.. but that buys a LOT of $10 led bulbs to try out

[frank lintel]

yeah if you want legit color matching those lights gonna get expensive

too many times got a bulb that was 'sun color' only to get home and put it in and its got a slight green hue to it... imho

[willow tulip]

yea all the CFL's I tried where very green compared to the leds

[frank lintel]

ah great to know it wasnt just me lmao

I just been going thru all my saved CDs/DVDs and omg feeling old... just pulled out a copy of BF2.... Joint Operations... Task Force Rising... the original Halflife on full disc set... FML

[willow tulip]

pretty sure I still have my apache and hind CD's

[frank lintel]

I even got a copy of... Freespace and Unreal Tournament..

[willow tulip]

did you know you can fly the apache upside down in that game by tilting back at like 45 degrees? lol

(yes under full collective)

[frank lintel]

oh I do that in helos very rarely in DCS with a lil bird cuz how light they are if you can get it flipped over in time and reverse the collective make it go fly upside down for a brief moment

[willow tulip]

Nono

I got level flight, under full collective.

Not reversed.

[frank lintel]

thats a odd physics bug.

[willow tulip]

I mean, the helo wasn't level upside down, it was 45 degrees or so off upside down so it had a very high forward velocity.

You'd get level flight once you got going forward fast enough, to presumably get enough lift off... something, I dunno 😛 the rotor? the fins?

[willow tulip]

Sure, but I also wonder if helos with big enough 'wings' could do that at some angle.

[frank lintel]

thats normally why helos got the small wings on the tail rotor to eliminate it

[willow tulip]

Like, a helo at 90 degrees with big ass wings, is basically an prop aircraft.... with wings at 90 degrees.

[frank lintel]

makes it wanna fly level

[willow tulip]

So presumably, if you can tilt those wings forward a bit, you can get lift off them by moving forward.

The question then becomes can you move forward fast enough to get more lift off the wings then your rotor sucking you down into the ground.

... Now makes me wonder about making a helicopter with tilt-wings so it can just fly with its rotors full frontal

... you'd prob be able to fly faster that way, just because now you no longer need to worry about your rotor exceeding the speed of sound so soon (And no tailing rotor stall) with your rotors no longer spinning off axis to the direction of travel.

[red tiger]

Yeah it'll be fun getting all the dimensions and color formats put into my webcalc engine.

[willow tulip]

Sorta like the inverse helicopter version of an osprey.

Tilt the whole craft to move the prop around, and then just angle the winglets for lift at 300kph+

If you don't need your wings to work at landing speeds, they don't need to be nearly as big to generate enough lift.

[frank lintel]

planes also rely on the body itself as a lift surface

[cunning haven]

People, getting this error on a trait mod on multiplayer:

ERROR: General      f:9, t:1775939615622, st:3,036,394> Lua((MOD: Infinite Endurance - Mugen!)).stamina> Exception thrown
    java.lang.RuntimeException: attempted index: getStats of non-table: null at KahluaThread.tableget(KahluaThread.java:1441).
    Stack trace:
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.tableget(KahluaThread.java:1441)
        Lua((MOD: Infinite Endurance - Mugen!)).stamina(MugenTrait.lua:18)
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.luaMainloop(KahluaThread.java:458)
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.call(KahluaThread.java:161)
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.pcall(KahluaThread.java:1749)
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.pcallvoid(KahluaThread.java:1581)
        se.krka.kahlua.integration.LuaCaller.pcallvoid(LuaCaller.java:60)
        se.krka.kahlua.integration.LuaCaller.protectedCallVoid(LuaCaller.java:131)
        zombie.Lua.Event.trigger(Event.java:55)
        zombie.Lua.LuaEventManager.triggerEvent(LuaEventManager.java:244)
        zombie.GameTime.update(GameTime.java:661)
        zombie.gameStates.IngameState.UpdateStuff(IngameState.java:594)
        zombie.gameStates.IngameState.updateInternal(IngameState.java:1497)
        zombie.gameStates.IngameState.update(IngameState.java:1298)
        zombie.network.GameServer.main(GameServer.java:1015)
ERROR: General      f:9, t:1775939615623, st:3,036,395> KahluaThread.flushErrorMessage      > dumping Lua stack trace```

Apparently line [18] is causing the problem? I dont really know if thats it:

```    Lua((MOD: Infinite Endurance - Mugen!)).stamina(MugenTrait.lua:18)``` 

The line:

``` [Line 17] local player = getPlayer();

 [Line 18]   local stats = player:getStats()```

Is there somethin wrong here?

[dull moss]

player is null

getPlayer returned nothing

[cunning haven]

Is it done differently on multiplayer? Code is same as last time:

     local player = getPlayer();
    local stats = player:getStats()
    local endurance = stats:get(CharacterStat.ENDURANCE)
    
        if player:hasTrait(HoginsTraitRegistries.mugen) then
        if endurance < 0.99 then
            local infi = { endurance = 1.0 }
            
            if isClient() then
                sendClientCommand(player, "HoginsTraits", "UpdateStats", infi)
            else
                stats:set(CharacterStat.ENDURANCE, 1)
            end
        end
    end
end

 Events.EveryOneMinute.Add(stamina);```

Works on singleplayer fine

[willow tulip]

Whose the player on the server? 😛

[cunning haven]

Idk, i used to do it like that on b41, i have no idea on what they changed

[willow tulip]

Server = Has more then 1 player. Or maybe 0 players.

getPlayer() returns.. a player. So of course its not valid on a server.

[dull moss]

getPlayer() retunrs nothing if ran on teh server

you need to loop over all players

[cunning haven]

Ah, i mean, i was in there as a player testing the mod, but thats the error i was getting, and the trait was not working, the function at least.

Is there something else i need for it to work?

[dull moss]

and send command to each

[cunning haven]

How do i do that?

[dull moss]

i mean currently you send command from client to server to update the stats, no?

cuz that looks like client code

then why its ran on server

is it in shared folder?

move it

[cunning haven]

Yes

[dull moss]

why?

[cunning haven]

The mod i was copying had it on shared folder, and it works on multiplayer.

The mod is "More Traits".

[dull moss]

move relevent code to client folder

shared folder loads both on client and server

thats why on server your code errors out

[cunning haven]

Moved it to the client folder, i don get the error anymore but the trait still doesnt work...

[modest oak]

is it possible to use the vehicle window reflection shader thingy on other models?

[bronze yoke]

it's not possible

[modest oak]

sad

[dull moss]

<@&671452400221159444> :(

[lost slate]

Cheers

[dull moss]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mrw-post-vote-YYfEjWVqZ6NDG

[bright fog]

Forgot to mention that now your whole workspace scripts are parsed instead of just the currently and last opened files

[vast pier]

There's gonna be a few normal camo patterns, and then grayscale colored camos.

I'm also going to be adding in compatibility with my survival additions mod to include the duck tapes as a binding option.

It's not gonna be a dependency, I'm just gonna have a lua check if the mod is present which will enable/disable it from the data/loot pool.

Meaning if you remove SSA while your gun has duck tape straps on it, nothing breaks and it keeps the straps attached while still preventing random loot spawns from having duck tape straps.

It's really really funny that I've been workshopping this mod concept for over a year now

Didn't think I would ever get this far tbh

[silent zealot]

More malicious mods doing the rounds... not surprising when lack of proper mod support means users are installing ASI overrides with who knows what code in them.

I'm sure there will be a malicious Zomboid Java mod before too long.

[hollow oriole]

Hi everyone, can somebody help me to make sense of this error? it happens when i kill a zombie thats using modded clothes:
ERROR: General f:15789, t:1775972991960> IngameState.updateInternal> Exception thrown
java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "zombie.characters.WornItems.BodyLocation.isMultiItem()" because "location" is null at BodyLocationGroup.isMultiItem(BodyLocationGroup.java:119).
Stack trace:
zombie.characters.WornItems.BodyLocationGroup.isMultiItem(BodyLocationGroup.java:119)

Is it because incorrectly setting up body locations?

[sonic needle]

does it occur on aim? or

[hollow oriole]

whenever the zombie dies and turns into a container, then the game crashes

[sonic needle]

reference a z with a sc, then kill to confirm the crash.

then scan said image to see what clothing it has

Track the clothing to the mod. and check the script for it

[hollow oriole]

Got it will do, thanks!

[silent zealot]

My guess is the modded clothing has not properly defined bodylocation and/or bloodlocation, but in a way that doesn't crash until it's trying to make a corpse; probably when "dressing" the corpse object.

No idea how you'd make clothing crash there and not earlier though.

Is this modded clothing you made? if so share the item script.

[cinder light]

could be that the mod is switching out the clothing model on death for another one?

that could explain why it only crashes when thr zombie dies

[torn igloo]

Is there a IsoFlag or whatever way to differentiates a wall built by player and a wall part of the map?

[silent zealot]

Possible, seems unlikely though... I'm guessing the rendering of the corpse to the 2D texture atlas is doing something.

[silent zealot]

I have no idea how, but there must be given zombies can attack player construction but not pre-made map constructions.

[cinder light]

yeah, that could be as well

[small topaz]

When modding B42 multiplayer, is there a debug option which can be used to spawn zombies?

[buoyant violet]

yeah

just right clicl in the map and go in debug

zombie and zombie spawner

[small topaz]

When I host an mp game via the "Host" button, I don't have such a right click debug menu. (I only have it in single player.)

[buoyant violet]

You need to enter admin mode I will assume

Also you should see the option regardless if you are on debug

[willow tulip]

Anyone know how to make a container I spawn like

            local object = IsoObject.new(getCell(), square, getSprite(tileName))
            square:AddTileObject(object);

not have items in it on spawn?

            if object:getContainer() then
                print("Found items ".. object:getContainer():getItems():size());
                object:getContainer():clear();
                object:getContainer():setHasBeenLooted(true) -- Testing if this removes spawn items. 
            end

Doesn't work, it shows it initially has 0 items in it and then items spawn in later anyway.

nm, figured it out, setExplored(true)

Project base saver: GO!

though comically, since I didn't copy the roof, you can do this:

[small topaz]

How do I enter admin mode?

[buoyant violet]

/setaccesslevel {name of char} admin

[clear aurora]

yo does anyone know how can i make a mod for the main menu? like change the music and picture, is there maybe some guide or sm?

[small topaz]

Where do I put this command? (sorry for asking again but I wasn't able to find anything about it via web search).

[buoyant violet]

what ever you use to open the chat in mp to write

[small topaz]

thanks! I'll try this!

[willow tulip]

Progress. doors now work properly.

Looks like terrain isn't quite blending properly on import though. grr.

[willow tulip]

Soon, mimic houses that eat you when you enter them.

[buoyant violet]

I love zomboid souls

shotgun porn

[rapid flax]

Does anyone know the best way to test a MP mod? Like how I can connect two separate instances of the game to my own local server so I can test the MP features?

[coarse hearth]

Take a look at this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Testing_mods_in_multiplayer#:~:text=Testing mods on multiplayer with,start ProjectZomboid64.exe -nosteam

[small topaz]

For clothing items worn by the player character, is there a java command to make it invisible? Something like clothingItem:setInvisible (true)?

[topaz pendant]

say guys I'm noticing a large rise of newer mod makers putting the games mascot (spiffo) though AI gen or using ai gen images for their mods, is there any rules about that or the indi stone just okay with it?

[bronze yoke]

people have been doing that for years, i don't think they care

[small topaz]

When an event like OnClothingUpdated is triggered, is there a way to find out which function has triggered it?

[buoyant violet]

little treat for the cowbows out there

[topaz pendant]

hell yeah

[frank lintel]

cowbows? :P

[lusty drift]

someone add the epstine files and make them readable with real file pictures that were officially released by the DOJ

theres no reason why such an interesting topic cant be copiously read during an apocalypse

should give +10 sickness and +5 depression but -10 bordom

and slightly increase panic

"the knoxfiles"

[small topaz]

In multiplayer, is it possible to view the debug console without being in debug mode?

[frank lintel]

well unless ` shows it, no.

[cinder light]

in the zomboid folder you should have the console.txt file, that should contain the data whether it's from single player or multiplayer

[frank lintel]

mp logs arent like console.txt sadly they broken down into several log files

wish they had the whole thing in one file would make it easier to look thru like how it is for SP

[vast pier]

wait did you get custom gun anims working

[buoyant violet]

I did

[buoyant violet]

oh lol typo haha didnt realise

[frank lintel]

for a minute before I watched I thought you meant you added crossbows lol

[willow tulip]

All hat and no cowbow.

[frank lintel]

sup BM

[willow tulip]

Making mimic houses

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/908422783049007116/1493022233453662318/image.png?ex=69dd74cf&is=69dc234f&hm=0c63877f633950ecff6c3823eeb559164c40a784700234e6485c10d1d838f1a8&

Now with 90% mimicery.

(actually working on saving/loading entire bases to disk)

[frank lintel]

nice, I've just been doing some wiki stuff for PZ and helping in discord taking a break from the game today.

[strange mauve]

Explosive zombies (Knock back testing, works for player as well)

[willow tulip]

lol at deleted floor

[frank lintel]

gotta burn that carpet!

[willow tulip]

Need to replace it with some kinda tile

[strange mauve]

lmao i thought that was just burnt

[strange mauve]

thanks for telling me, that could of been bad!

[willow tulip]

yea im not sure if you fall through or not but black tiles = bad mojo (From a fellow black tile creation enuthiest)

[strange mauve]

nothing actually happens, thats why i thought they were just burnt tiles lmao

[willow tulip]

Hmmm, I THINK I might be missing some kinda... corner wall special thingy?

Iv identified the buggy piece of wall as a 'dual' corner

... cool visibility glitches there TIS

lets just see right through the walls with no windows, sure

Know what? Someone else can fix this bug. yep. It works well enough so long as your not trying to duplicate/move your base.

[strange mauve]

what yall think about an in game map editor, well basically it allows you to walk into any structure, press a keybind, the entire building gets saved inside of an UI and you can spawn it where ever and when ever

[willow tulip]

You mean like whata im working on right now? 😛

[strange mauve]

👀

[willow tulip]

Also saves it to disk.. so you can extract your base to another savegame.

[strange mauve]

now THATS something i couldn't figure out..

the way i did it was throwing the buildings orientations and sprites into mod data layer by layer then having another lua be able to capture it

[willow tulip]

@sour island says he might allow Skill Recovery journal to do the same (save to disk) so you could port characters too.

[strange mauve]

i thought Lua couldn't write?

[willow tulip]

Only to very specific directories, in text only.

[strange mauve]

ah okay,

[willow tulip]

... also to the entire mod directory, incase you wanted your mod to self-fail the checksum on any MP server.

[strange mauve]

have you run into the problem where doors and windows dont work?

[willow tulip]

Yep and solved it

[strange mauve]

took me weeks lmao

[willow tulip]

they are all different types of derived isoObjects

[strange mauve]

spiecal objects n stuff

how do you spawn them accurately?

[willow tulip]

much, much if/else

but heres a cool hax for saving them:

[strange mauve]

i render the tiles out so it shows the whole building and where exactly you will place it

[willow tulip]

... I can't post my source apparently lol

lemme try a smaller chunk

if instanceof(object,"IsoLightSwitch") then -- Isn't properly detected
                            writer:write("tileType:IsoLightSwitch\r\n");
                            print("found tileType IsoLightSwitch"); 
                        elseif instanceof(object,"IsoClothingWasher") then -- Isn't properly detected
                            writer:write("tileType:IsoClothingWasher\r\n");
                            print("found tileType IsoClothingWasher"); 
                        else
                            local tileType = getSprite(object:getSpriteName()):getProperties():get("IsoType") or "IsoObject" -- Handles most but not all objects.
                            print("found tileType "..tileType); 
                            writer:write("tileType:"..tileType.."\r\n");
                        end
                        writer:write("attachedSpriteCount:".. tostring(object:getAttachedAnimSpriteCount()) .."\r\n");
                        for attachedIndex = 0, object:getAttachedAnimSpriteCount()-1 do
                            writer:write("attachedSprite:".. tostring(object:getAttachedAnimSprite():get(attachedIndex):getName()) .."\r\n");
                        end

there we go.

[strange mauve]

i've pretty much given up on my grand ideal, but since you're already taking over, i have no worries lmao

[willow tulip]

thats my special sauce saving code 🙂 that saves sooo much elseif instanceof() BS

[willow tulip]

You wanna work on the weird culling bug when you move a base? lol

[strange mauve]

MOVING the entire strucuture after you've placed it is out of my leauge lmao

the only thing i can offer you from my script is the render for all sprites so you get percision placements but im guessing you already have something like that

[willow tulip]

no I mean, when you place it somewhere it wasn't, the roof and walls don't quite... appear correctly

its just a couple of them but

[bronze yoke]

probably just need to tell the cutaway system to refresh

[willow tulip]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/908422783049007116/1493022233453662318/image.png?ex=69dd74cf&is=69dc234f&hm=0c63877f633950ecff6c3823eeb559164c40a784700234e6485c10d1d838f1a8&

[strange mauve]

oh, the roofs are special objects or something like that right? i had that problem too

[willow tulip]

thats the weird part though, its so.. few tiles

And that one inside corner tile has the glitch too

[willow tulip]

Not that I can tell -_-;

[strange mauve]

because most of the roof is there

[willow tulip]

comically I figured out some code that lets you turn entire buildings thumpable lol

[willow tulip]

Yea, it shows up fine from like 80% of angles

[strange mauve]

ohhh so it IS there it just vanishes from certain angles?

[willow tulip]

Yep

same with that bottom right corner

saving/loading the save doesn't fix it either 🙁 (does fix some other weird visualization bugs)

im 90% considering this a mod to drop a base in the same place it was, but I kinda wanna see what happens when someone moves a 'player built' base with it.

Like, do player built bases move properly? Do they suffer any bugs? Do player built bases inhairently suffer the same bugs that my reproductions do and hence look the same anyway?

Much of my code is based off lua\shared\Moveables\ISMoveableSpriteProps.lua aka the ingame building code, so I feel like it would have similar bugs

Im not too upset about.. slight graphical issues, considering TIS just shitcans our bases to oblivian every 30 days anyway...

[strange mauve]

this might be a longshot but what if it's missing a room defininition?

what if the invisible pieces happen because the game failed to assign it a room definition, when you place normal walls and they're not making a full room (enclosed) some of them are invisible from certain sides/angles, i think this could be the same thing

[willow tulip]

Also oddly enough, the graphical issues don't occur if I replace the house in the same place it was.

[bronze yoke]

palyer built bases never have room definitions

[willow tulip]

Yea I looked into that a bit but I couldn't figure out how to do room definitions

[strange mauve]

interesting,

just think about it

if you go and place a 3 by 3 by 3 brick wall leaving a side open, the side of the walls are invisible from some angles until you full enclose the box

[willow tulip]

Also why I wonder if my save/loader would convert player bases 'fine' because they 'suffer from the same bugs' my reproductions do

Im now also kinda wondering

[bronze yoke]

it seems like tis is working on a room editor, and it seems like it's not supposed to be a debug tool

[willow tulip]

what if the original building has empty cells around it?

lemme check..

[willow tulip]

Yea

the weirdest thing though

the lights work!

lightswitch and everything

Like in the reproduction building

[strange mauve]

have you tried recalc all neighbors?

what about IsoRegion.isDirty

[willow tulip]

yea I do RecalcProperties() on every tile once all the changes are done, then do RecalcAllWithNeighbours() (in a seperate pass, just to make sure..)

[willow tulip]

IsoRegion.isDirty?

[strange mauve]

square:setObjectsDirty() i think it is idk

from google

"Function: It is used to tell the game engine that the objects on a specific map tile (square) have changed and need to be re-rendered or updated by the rendering system."

[willow tulip]

DirtySlice?

[strange mauve]

i dont know i just remember using it when i was attempting to build it lol

[willow tulip]

there is no setObjectsDirty

https://demiurgequantified.github.io/ProjectZomboidJavaDocs/zombie/iso/IsoGridSquare.html#DirtySlice()

[strange mauve]

damn i guess there isn't one 😭

[willow tulip]

im almost certain its some weirdness with 'corner' pieces being two walls

because it only happens on that one inside corner piece

(and I assume the roof has its own weirdo corner pieces)

[strange mauve]

death to corner pieces

[willow tulip]

anyway, I'll be releasing a test version soon if you wanna help me test it

[strange mauve]

im down

[willow tulip]

Cool 🙂 It also has a container saver/loader

(that was gonna be my backup plan if saving entire sections of the map failed to work, lol)

Plus... teleport shit across the map 😛 Or have startup gear sets

[strange mauve]

idk about something that can upload/write words or anything outside of zomboid, after those recent security issues 😭

[willow tulip]

it only has access to users\zomboid\lua and subdirs of that, lots of mods (and the game itself) use this file writing functionality.

[strange mauve]

oh so it uploads to the Zomboid user folder?

[willow tulip]

yep!

on servers it will prob stay on the server, because... Lets be honest, you'd only want admins to have access to this anyway lol

[strange mauve]

with my version i was able to copy the entire Crossroads Mall lmao

[willow tulip]

(and prob have the admin backup the entire world before importing a whole freaken base)

[strange mauve]

or have a function that can purge spawned bases

[willow tulip]

did you handle loading areas outside of what the player had loaded?

[willow tulip]

that'd require saving the existing map... TECHNICALLY DOABLE....

Actually, that'd be some interesting anti-griefing too

potentialy for accidental duplication but if your base burns down or something, IMPORT

[strange mauve]

why cant you have the house have a specific tag for each room that allows the lua to know its a imported base so it can purge, additionally let non admins have a limit to how many tiles can be spawned and how many bases if that makes sense

[willow tulip]

Oh no, id just have it save a backup of what was there when you import something, and then you could import that backup to purge the base

[strange mauve]

oh

[willow tulip]

also, seriously you'd never want non-admins to be able to just spawn a base lol.

the point of this is less 'playing around ingame' and more 'TIS just nuked our saves, AGAIN. Lets just re-import our base into a new world and continue'

[strange mauve]

but you can detect how many tiles (literally every tile and sprite) that the building you're spawning has, maybe have a limit implemented for non admins if you ever tried something like that

idk what im yappin about im trying to finish up a script for someone lol

[willow tulip]

Nah, if someone wants to make a mod that calls my save/load functions go ahead but I really don't have any interest in letting non-admins play with this lol.

its just... far too powerful lol. If players wanted to use it, it would be soooo rarely done, you can just beg an admin to do whatever for you.

[strange mauve]

i've never even played MP lol

good luck with fixing the roofs and corners

[willow tulip]

thanks lol.

Right now iv got the majority of isoobject subtypes loading, and seperate container loading, with selectable filenames on save/load (And 0 safety to make sure you load the correct file because blahhh lol)

will prob add extensions and filtering at some point 😛 or two sub dirs

Right now though I just like going SAVE... empty container ... LOAD like a dumb magic trick

or smashing a few walls and reloading a building

God, I HATED basebuilding because 1 wrong move with a sledgehammer? Well now, better restart the whole damn server to a save I hope you took 5 minutes to make because you can't undo that!

Come to think of it, that might be another use of it... 'autosave' for deco, but doesn't actually restore container contents

[abstract topaz]

has anybody ported wolfenstein into zomboid yet?

[hexed arrow]

local function OnPlayerGetDamage(character, damageType, damage)
-- your code here
end

Events.OnPlayerGetDamage.Add(OnPlayerGetDamage) Is there a way to use this event before instant death like car crash, when damage exceeds a players health this event doesnt seem to fire

[silent zealot]

Looks like that events tends to get called after damage is applied.

the last is damagePlayers from BaseVehicles which would cover car crashes.

[silent zealot]

I just basebuild using dev mode brush tool. I've done things the hard and slow and tedious way often enough!

[wintry tree]

@silent zealot How do you find stuff like that? Is it just experience or do you get them from a specific resource?

[silent zealot]

I have a VSCode window open to a "reference workspace"

This is the games media folder, and the decompiled JAva (thanks to ZomboidDecomiler which is super easy to use)

Then I just search for "OnPlayerGetDamage" and in this case there is a reasonable number of hits to look through.

Since the event name has to show up anywhere in the code that triggers it.

[wintry tree]

Thanks. I've bookmarked the wiki page on Zomboid Decompiler

a lot of what I'm doing is just staring at the game files in the install folder. Looking through the wiki and sometimes other mods and just guessing. Takes me a long time to accomplish things that way.

[silent zealot]

Highly recommend VSCode - both for making mods, but also as a super quick way to search lots of files.

[wintry tree]

Okay, I've book marked that also

[upbeat turtle]

i like vscode a lot. there's a nifty plugin which auto-decompiles the class files into readable java

[wintry tree]

I'm literally just writing everything in Notepad++ lol. I use it for everything. Brainstorming, taking down phone numbers, grocery lists. But I should probably get some proper tools to help me.

[silent zealot]

Proper lua syntax validation alone is worth it.

If you install the umbrella extension it even has some knowledge of zomboid's functions/variables.

[wintry tree]

I'll add that bookmark too

[willow tulip]

So much pain though, its like it was designed by a guy who hates efficency

several clicks to delete or copy a tile...

[willow tulip]

Yo, I heard you liked tables so I put tables on your table so you could table your tables.

[bronze yoke]

and that's how lua came to be

[willow tulip]

Apparently my base load/save code, still has a few bugs reguarding multi-tile objects

Also, im amazed somehow tables stack.

Yea im gonna say something sus is going on

Pretty sure one cell shouldn't have quite that many tiles...

Hu, TIL you can stack crates onto tables

Iv honestly never considered doing it before for some reason.

And.. crates ontop of countertops...

though because countertops are taller you can only stack 1 crate on them

Oh this looks nice though:

I just kinda assumed stacking was a thing limited to crates

never thought I could stack stuff onto counters or tables

[coarse sinew]

In B41, as far as I remember, if you placed more than 8 containers on the same tile, it would corrupt your save

[willow tulip]

people still using fixed sized arrays in 2026 to save memory -_-;

or.. whatever they are doing it for.

[paper ibex]

this is good but pls follow the rule of max 3 containers in a single tile like vanilla D:

this is nightmare (from other mod)

[willow tulip]

rofl.

peak storage

[paper ibex]

try fills all those containers with extra item mod data and boom! map chunk bloats

[willow tulip]

My mod lets you save your junk to disk. 😛

totally non-cheaty. /s

[paper ibex]

can it still performance-oriented in MP server with 150+ mods and 20/32 players 🤔

[willow tulip]

its more designed to move stuff from one save (or PZ version) to another

So in that context it doesn't really matter how long it takes to load/save a base

[willow tulip]

Weird...

deleting a multi tile object does nothing if the entire object isn't 'complete'

And yet for some reason, when it is complete, you still get a warning(?)

Ok, now my code only has issues if you cut a multi tile object in half by having it on the edge of the copy zone... acceptableish, for now

[willow tulip]

Hey cool, adding my container load/save code worked first time.

[buoyant violet]

seen your zombies explode finally inspired me to finish my grenades concept using hot brass

[lusty drift]

M

[buoyant violet]

M

[blissful seal]

Is anyone aware that TIS seems to have patched the 64kb Player ModData buffer overflow issue in the last patches?

I was optimizing my mods ModData usage because players tend to report rollover-like issues after long sessions with my mods in MP

Anyway the limit seems to be 1MB now I had to add 12,000 modded items to my playerInventory to get the crash on dedicated MP

[bright fog]

What was that ?

A limit in storage of mod data ?

[blissful seal]

Yeah, when a player disconnected in dedicated, or the world saved, the NetworkServer code allocated a 64kb bytebuffer that wasnt auto-expanded constrat that to the SP path which was designed to expand

You end up with the following if you broke it:
ERROR: General f:873, t:1776091388063, st:8,596,866,632> ServerPlayerDB$NetworkCharacterData.<init>> Exception thrown
java.nio.BufferOverflowException at ByteBuffer.put(null:-1).
Stack trace:

(reduced trace cus its ugly and the server yelled at me for putting it in backticks earlier)

So if youve ever had a long running MP server and ppl report items going missing etc... its because of that most likely

I was going crazy because I had 42.15 decompiled source and it has the old code path that would crash once u tried to save more than 64kb to the buffer, and finally decompiled 42.16 and saw the code path changed

[strange mauve]

if you wanna know the sauce, you knock down the zombies and players in a certain tile radius of the blast, then you TELEPORT them very quickly and smooth it out over ticks to make it look legit

i completely chose the wrong reply message

it was about your grenade launcher lmao

[buoyant violet]

I was wondering about this

I cant make zombies ragdoll with custom force with new grenades

[strange mauve]

i had the same issue, i dont think its possible to force zombies to ragdoll with lua,

[buoyant violet]

i manage to apply custom for params to bullet types but explosives its killing me

[strange mauve]

instead of brute forcing it just go around and simulate an explosion

use ISOfiremanager for the explosion and fires, then simulate the ragdolls, knock the zombies down and teleport them quickly a bunch of times smoothed out with ticks

[buoyant violet]

yeah its still a wip but will be part of the framework we are working

they should bounce of walls

I havent try