mod_development

[drifting wigeon]

btw

[bright fog]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL91PT-Vd7Vhp_eBA8pE4hCXPcrxHWgr_E

[drifting wigeon]

is my server not printing for any reason specifically?

bc when i reload them

they print

do i need to do like umm

wait for loading

[bright fog]

Wdym ?

[drifting wigeon]

or something

only server does this

scripts dont print

or anything

but when i reload them

they work

scripts for me is lua files btw

[bright fog]

You can't just ask me that and not give me a single context on what you're doing

[drifting wigeon]

. check this, a module loader

[raven epoch]

hes using sendclientcommand to send command to server

but server script is not running at all

[drifting wigeon]

i made a simple server script

[raven epoch]

client runs

[drifting wigeon]

saying

server test

only that

in a lua file

and it didnt run

or atleast i couldnt see it in console

[bright fog]

On a server, it appears in the server console

[drifting wigeon]

how can i access it?

[bright fog]

I mean, depends which side

[drifting wigeon]

im using this one

[bright fog]

If hosting, it's in your cache folder named as coop-console smthg like that

I'd suggest reading the error

It tells you everything you need to know

[drifting wigeon]

line 1 is a dictionary declaration

[drifting wigeon]

wait what

the console is a txt file?

[bright fog]

Yea

[frank elbow]

The same stuff in the console is output to a txt file

As in, the stuff you see there is mirrored to that file

[drifting wigeon]

should i do

[bright fog]

Stop cropping all your screenshots and show the whole thing dude 😅

[drifting wigeon]

Events.GameBoot on server scripts?

[bright fog]

Show your whole file, show your whole error

[drifting wigeon]

sent it earlier

look

[bright fog]

Show the lines

SHOW THE NUMBER LINES

[bright fog]

How do you expect me to know what fucking line is what ???

[drifting wigeon]

bro chill

[frank elbow]

Seconding the chill, but also it's understandably frustrating when people make it difficult to help lol

[bright fog]

You have to understand we can't help you if you give us so little info and context

[drifting wigeon]

im showing you console, the script nd the whole thing

idk

[bright fog]

Show the error

[bright fog]

The actual full error

[drifting wigeon]

i can resize the window to show it entirely?

[bright fog]

Just read it from your console.txt file

[drifting wigeon]

where can i find it?

[bright fog]

Cache folder

[bright fog]

That's the file mentioned in the error ?

[drifting wigeon]

like the server folder thing

[drifting wigeon]

it seems so

nothing else is there

other than that error

[bright fog]

Did you properly reload your mod after editing it ?

[drifting wigeon]

yeah i reloaded lua and reloaded the server

completely

[frank elbow]

How are you getting this error? Does it appear on load, or are you putting something in the console?

[bright fog]

Do you have a second copy of your mod in mod folders somewhere ?

[drifting wigeon]

doesn't appear on load appears when i reload from log()

[drifting wigeon]

im subscribed to it in the workshop but i have it listed at hidden

[bright fog]

Tbh what I don't get is the error itself, I don't see how that could happen with such a file

[drifting wigeon]

and im seeing no clones

[frank elbow]

Clarify what you mean by "reload from log()"?

[bright fog]

Then that's the problem

[drifting wigeon]

using log() command on console

[frank elbow]

It reads as an error from something put in the console

[bright fog]

Don't sub to your own mod

[frank elbow]

As in, you're typing in log()?

[bright fog]

Why would it error on the file itself tho

[drifting wigeon]

yeah

[drifting wigeon]

ok unsubbbed

reloading PZ

[frank elbow]

No clue, usually it opens the debug console to some random vanilla file

[drifting wigeon]

btw where's the server folder located by default tho?

dont seem to find it in the game's folder

[bright fog]

Wdym by the server folder ?

[drifting wigeon]

like the cache folder nd stuff

[bright fog]

It's your local cache

[drifting wigeon]

so i can actually access the console

[frank elbow]

If you're on Windows and running a server with "host" go to %UserProfile%\Zomboid

[bright fog]

If you're using host

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Game_files#Cache_folder

[drifting wigeon]

can i clear the coop console?

before i reload the server

[drifting wigeon]

just found it

[bright fog]

It clears it when opening the server

[frank elbow]

Oh, I meant to reply to this: why?

[drifting wigeon]

it opens a menu

[frank elbow]

log exists, but it's meant to be called with a debug type and a message

[drifting wigeon]

where you can access files

and i can search for my lua files

and reload them

separately

[frank elbow]

You can just press f11 for that

[bright fog]

F11 menu

[drifting wigeon]

oh

[frank elbow]

You're opening the debug menu by causing an error

[bright fog]

Or Community Debug Tools has a neat tool to more easily do that

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Community_Modding_Projects

[drifting wigeon]

okay im going to rejoin the server and see the console

im going to see if it works

oh yes it works

but just couldnt see it from the normal console

is there any modding tool

that i can use

so i dont have to access the txt

each time im trying to see the server output?

[bright fog]

Just use VSCode when programming your Lua mods, you can also open the console in it and the file will reload in front of you

I even use an extension to autoscroll to the bottom of the file when it updates

[drifting wigeon]

im using VSCode

[bright fog]

Then what's the problem ? You can open the file and see its content easily then

[drifting wigeon]

like this right?

[bright fog]

Yea

[raven epoch]

whats wrong with this?

[drifting wigeon]

btw in roblox we do like wait(1) how do we express a yield here?

in the same way?

[bright fog]

Did you read the error ?

[bright fog]

You mean to run code after a specified time ?

[drifting wigeon]

yes

[raven epoch]

you gotta write ur own

[bright fog]

We don't use that, because your code runs in the tick and impacts the speed of the tick. You need to use Lua timers so it triggers after X ticks or X time

[drifting wigeon]

so like a delayed task

how do i use a lua timer?

[bright fog]

Basically

Uuuuuh let me see if I can find an example

---@param seconds number
---@param callback fun(...)
---@param ... any
HorseUtils.runAfter = function(seconds, callback, ...)
    local elapsed = 0 --[[@as number]]
    local gameTime = GameTime.getInstance()
    local args = {...}

    local function tick()
        elapsed = elapsed + gameTime:getTimeDelta()
        if elapsed < seconds then
            return
        end

        Events.OnTick.Remove(tick)
        callback(unpack(args))
    end

    Events.OnTick.Add(tick)

    return function()
        Events.OnTick.Remove(tick)
    end
end

For example

The idea is to add a function to an OnTick event, check how much time elapsed then remove that callback

[raven epoch]

turns out there is no string library in zomboid lua

[bright fog]

There is

[raven epoch]

would it be fine if i just did an isoobject instead of isothumpable?

[bright fog]

string should be a lib

Also PZ uses Lua 5.1 but a lot of stuff are reimplement Java side and are not classic Lua libs

[drifting wigeon]

btw these command props are good?

[raven epoch]

ok its not that

[bright fog]

Probably, I don't have in mind the exact command args

The JavaDocs should tell you all you need regarding that

Also check out the Networking wiki page

Tho that page was B41 networking but commands are the same in B42

[drifting wigeon]

okay thanks

[raven epoch]

any idea why this would be?

[frank elbow]

More detail is necessary

[bright fog]

Read the error, read the line where it triggers

[raven epoch]

it is on 46

according to debugger

so the line in screenshot

here are the variable values too

aa ok okay

figured it out

sq is nil

thats why its not showing up

might have overdone the fences

[drifting wigeon]

are you making a labyrinth?

[raven epoch]

supposed to be a military checkpoint

too much fences

tho

[drifting wigeon]

btw is there a way to get players in a radius?

also getPlayer() returns isoplayer right?

[bright fog]

It returns the client player

[drifting wigeon]

isnt that technically an isoplayer?

class

[bright fog]

Yes of course

[drifting wigeon]

oh ok

also

[bright fog]

Are you using Umbrella ?

[drifting wigeon]

on vscode?

idk how to toggle it

[bright fog]

Yes

[drifting wigeon]

i got the lua language server

[bright fog]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Umbrella_(modding)

Typings for PZ

[bright fog]

If properly used, it allows to detect the majority of problems

[drifting wigeon]

got it but idk how to toggle

[bright fog]

No

Read the wiki page, that isn't Umbrella

It's extremely annoying but that extension is not Umbrella

[drifting wigeon]

do i need to install git?

like its a must?

[bright fog]

Read the wiki page

You need git only if you use LuaLs

If you use EmmyLua, you don't

[drifting wigeon]

oh

so i disable luals by sumneko?

[bright fog]

Your choice

We suggest moving to EmmyLua now

[drifting wigeon]

just did it

[bright fog]

But LuaLs is technically still usable but won't be supported for long

Read the EmmyLua wiki page for the details

[raven epoch]

this legit might be the worst code i've written for this mod

[drifting wigeon]

how do i generate the emmyconfig.json

?

[bright fog]

idk wtf you're doing but everytime you send a screenshot of that checkpoint gen it's worse than before

[bright fog]

Read the wiki page 😅

You need to create the file

You need to read man, like the info is right there 😅

[raven epoch]

yea we are cooked

[bright fog]

You can't just go random with that

Make a mapping of your structure

And generate based on relative coordinates

[drifting wigeon]

i did this

[raven epoch]

im trying to make it dynamic

[bright fog]

Wait I did a mistake in the naming on the wiki

[raven epoch]

so it changes based on the rectangle u give ti

[bright fog]

The file needs to be .emmyrc.json

[drifting wigeon]

done

should i restart vscode?

[frank elbow]

Ctrl + Shift + P > Reload window

[drifting wigeon]

btw does this go in .vscode folder?

[frank elbow]

Or 'Restart Lua server', but idk off the top of my head whether that catches the .emmyrc change

[bright fog]

Nop, in the root

[drifting wigeon]

oh

[bright fog]

It does yes

You can also do that at the bottom left where it's written "EmmyLua", select it and restart language server pack

[drifting wigeon]

still erroring when reloaded

[bright fog]

Did you add Umbrella to the libs ?

[drifting wigeon]

uhh

which libs tho

[bright fog]

Umbrella

Read the wiki page

[drifting wigeon]

ok

[bright fog]

Like I can't say it enough, read. the. page

[frank elbow]

{
    "workspace.library": [
        "<path-to-umbrella>"
    ]
}

[bright fog]

Download Umbrella's last source code from the GitHub release page or clone the repository.

In the library field, add a new entry to the array ([]) with the path to Umbrella's library folder on your computer.

If it were a long ass page, like I could understand you not reading it

But it's literally a few lines of explanation on how to even setup Umbrella

[drifting wigeon]

I mean it kinda is a mid-long page so i just keep important points on my mind

[bright fog]

Mid long ???

That's long for you ???

[drifting wigeon]

Yeah ig

But its explanatory

[bright fog]

It fits on my screen !

[drifting wigeon]

So you did a good job doing it

Im not hating

[bright fog]

The explanations for EmmyLua literally fit in a single screen height

Like if this is long for you, like man you won't survive the documentation long 😅

[frank elbow]

The repo (https://github.com/PZ-Umbrella/Umbrella) also has an explanation but the wiki page really is quite clear 😅 so unsure how that was missed, but either way hopefully you can figure out the setup

[drifting wigeon]

Yeah im just used to another display of uhh documentation

srry

i'm learning how things work here

[bright fog]

What kind ?

[drifting wigeon]

lemme show you

ok so in roblox

are you used with roblox things a lil bit?

that might ease things

[bright fog]

The Wiki always can appreciate improvements, so if you think another format would fit better I'm open for it

[bright fog]

I don't no

[drifting wigeon]

No no actually it's well written

https://kampfkarren.github.io/Roblox/api/ look at this api doc for example

i rlly like mkdocs styling

and very visual

[frank elbow]

Maybe if the code block were initially expanded it'd be easier to not miss it? I don't see an option for that on the CodeBox template though

[raven epoch]

ok im done

its a bit unoptimized (people might think the mod is a bitcoin miner) but i cant deal with it anymore

[bright fog]

The idea of the codeblock was not to have it take too much space, especially since that same file is detailed in the EmmyLua page

But from experience, users want examples available

[frank elbow]

Yeah, the template page mentioned that—but in this case it seems like it'd benefit from visibility

[bright fog]

The template however is unclear that it can be opened I think

[frank elbow]

It's clear to me, but unsure how much of that is familiarity

i.e., whether it'd be clear to everyone

[drifting wigeon]

btw does umbrella needs to be as a descendant of the root?

[frank elbow]

No, it can be anywhere

You just have to tell EmmyLua where to find it

[bright fog]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:SirDoggyJvla/sandbox2

Tell me what you think

[bright fog]

This is more of an API doc, which the Modding Wiki only is partially

[frank elbow]

I was considering just the code snippet too, but the CodeBlock is pretty 🥲 probably better that way for visibility though

[drifting wigeon]

well i think the page styling still would fit a lot better pz

[bright fog]

The JavaDocs does most of the job, as well as the LuaDocs which is going to see some improvements in the future as @bronze yoke is looking into moving to Sphinx

[drifting wigeon]

yeah javadocs are clear

[bright fog]

Overall the main problem is the lack of description of things

[buoyant patrol]

In my case I've been trying to get into modding recently and at first I assumed this was the code snippet, but I did find later I had to expand it

Also had the issue with the config name but saw the right one on the Emmylua wiki page

[bright fog]

Like what functions do what

[drifting wigeon]

do i put the path to umbrella in library?

bc when i look at the repo for umbrella

its telling me something very different

[frank elbow]

Eventually I'm gonna add some manual notes to the Lua stubs & try to convince others to do the same

[drifting wigeon]

from the luadocs

[frank elbow]

Likely a task for around b42 stable though

[drifting wigeon]

i feel like

uhh

[bright fog]

This is an environment variable to more easily move Umbrella around your system

[drifting wigeon]

there should be a harmony between pz and vscode

to the point

you can do like

uhh

[frank elbow]

Wym? Both indicate a path. You're looking at the environment variable example

[drifting wigeon]

getting props of an object

and typos

[drifting wigeon]

oh k

[bright fog]

Sadly the whole wiki is not very good on phone because it isn't meant to be used on phone since people that need the wiki play PZ on their computer, not phone 😅

Unless you meant something else

[frank elbow]

That is Umbrella lol

You'll get Intellisense once it's set up

[drifting wigeon]

when i do getPlayer() and it gives me the player object, can i access its properties? do i get autocomplete?

[frank elbow]

Yeah

[drifting wigeon]

that would make it so much easier

thank you

[buoyant patrol]

Yeah the process of learning I did it on PC, I'm just on phone rn and wanted to show what I meant

[bright fog]

Yes

[raven epoch]

400 lines of code for this goofy ahh fence

i rage

[bright fog]

What did you mean with your remark ? Is it the code block width or something else ?

[drifting wigeon]

good?

(env variable set)

[bright fog]

Needs to be the library folder

[drifting wigeon]

oh k

[bright fog]

Idk if that parent folder works

[drifting wigeon]

done

[frank elbow]

I think it'll find them either way, but I always set it to the library folder anyway

[drifting wigeon]

uhh still no intellisense and errors

[frank elbow]

Ctrl + Shift + P > reload window

[drifting wigeon]

did that

[frank elbow]

Try no dollar sign in the environment variable name

[buoyant patrol]

I mean that I thought the "code snippet" title was for the code below which shows the environment variable example, so I didn't think I could click on "code snippet" to expand on something else, it might just be a me issue 😅

[drifting wigeon]

still

do i put them on system or user env?

because its on user

[frank elbow]

Close and reopen all vsc instances, maybe? Windows creates copies of env vars for diff processes so it could be outdated

[drifting wigeon]

oh ok

let me try

[frank elbow]

By "close and reopen all" I meant make sure there are no open instances and then reopen, to be clear

[buoyant patrol]

I would prefer it being expanded by default on this case, idk if that would be better for most people

[drifting wigeon]

now

thank you

btw

i should call all funcs

with :

right?

everything is OOP

[frank elbow]

No, depends on the function (from java, static methods are called with . on the class & instance methods with :. from Lua, depends entirely on what the function expects)

[bright fog]

I see what you mean

[drifting wigeon]

also is it possible?

getting players in x radius

btw is there Y coords?

or nah?

vector2d or 3d

[frank elbow]

Yeah, although mind that depending on the radius clients may not have all the players loaded

[drifting wigeon]

yeah ik

[frank elbow]

If by Y you mean vertical, Z is vertical

[drifting wigeon]

oh

so y is horizontal?

or depth

[frank elbow]

X and Y are the position with reference to North/South/East/West on the map

Z is the vertical level

[drifting wigeon]

okay

thank you

btw is there a table i can access from client

for players loaded?

[frank elbow]

getOnlinePlayers returns ArrayList<IsoPlayer>

[drifting wigeon]

okay thanks

[frank elbow]

Note that this is not a Lua table, so you have to iterate through it accordingly

[peak furnace]

apologies for the interruption, bit confused about mod translations and where to put my strings
would it be correct to put the strings in common/media/translate/EN? and how exactly do i format the string file, the wiki entry isn't very good

[drifting wigeon]

btw how can i get character gender?

[drifting wigeon]

wait what doesnt it convert to a dictionary with isoplayers?

[frank elbow]

You can find examples of the format in the game files—it's just associating translation names to their translation, pretty much. Substitutions can be done with %1 to %4

e.g., UI_Reload = "Reload", (grabbed a random one from UI_EN)

[drifting wigeon]

for index, isoPlayer in next, onlinePlayers do
    -- code here
end

[frank elbow]

player:isFemale() → bool, where player is an IsoPlayer

[peak furnace]

right, but the folder organisation is correct?

[frank elbow]

next does not exist in Kahlua

[drifting wigeon]

oh

so i just do pairs()?

[frank elbow]

Ah, missed that—it should be in media/lua/shared/Translate

[peak furnace]

right, thank you

[frank elbow]

No (that one does exist, of course, but can't be used for ArrayLists), you have to loop through it using size and get. e.g.,

local players = getOnlinePlayers()

for i = 0, players:size() - 1 do
  local player = players:get(i)
end

[raven epoch]

ok i cooked

as in burnt down the kitchen

the whole mod needs rewrite

[drifting wigeon]

size -1 bc array starts at [1]?

or what?

[raven epoch]

because ur going from 0 to n

[frank elbow]

ArrayLists are 0-indexed, unlike Lua tables

[drifting wigeon]

uh ok

[frank elbow]

An ArrayList with 2 items has indices 0 and 1, thus size - 1

[drifting wigeon]

so ontick is like renderstepped or heartbeat right?

[raven epoch]

yea

[drifting wigeon]

does it provide delta?

[raven epoch]

no

and people told me not to use it as delta

cus tick speed can change

[drifting wigeon]

oh

[drifting wigeon]

okay i understood it

thanks

btw

how do i add player proprs

like adding variables

to the isoplayer

[frank elbow]

You can't add properties, but you can add mod data to the mod data table

[drifting wigeon]

if i want to save a state for something

[frank elbow]

local modData = player:getModData(), then set properties on the returned table

[drifting wigeon]

should i make then a handler module and register players in a dictionary to change state values?

[drifting wigeon]

oh

so moddata is an arraylist or dictionary?

[frank elbow]

Regular Lua table

[drifting wigeon]

also is this per server or saved on client?

[frank elbow]

If you use it on the server it's on the server, if you use it on the client it's on the client. I believe it's not synchronized, but I'd have to double-check to be sure

If you're trying to save data about other players on the client this wouldn't be the way to do it, given that (assuming my memory serves correctly)

[drifting wigeon]

so if i for example make a flaw that has different stages

to register a value to indicate the stage

should i save it instead

on

server mod data?

using player as a key to index the value

[frank elbow]

If it's something only relevant to the player that you won't ever have to let other players know about I'd just save it on the player mod data on the server

If it's something you do need to let other players know about, but only while the player is online, I'd use commands

[drifting wigeon]

so i should do on server script, getServerModData() for the table or array list

and add

moddata[player:getUID()] = this

[drifting wigeon]

it must be persistent data

like

saved

like a datastore

[frank elbow]

What I described is what I'd do, not necessarily standard or best practice, to be clear

[drifting wigeon]

Yeah ik

so

moddata is a dictionary lua

or arraylist?

[frank elbow]

These are questions that can be answered by Umbrella & the LuaDocs/JavaDocs

It's a Lua table

[drifting wigeon]

im checking umbrella

and its telling me functions for the table

such as

:get()

which you told me to use for

arrays

[frank elbow]

What are you looking at?

GlobalModData?

[drifting wigeon]

no no

getservermoddata()

btw also look at this

-> charactertraits<?>

what is charactertraits

table, arraylist?

[frank elbow]

It's an instance of a class

[drifting wigeon]

so dictionary?

[frank elbow]

No, it's from Java. userdata

[drifting wigeon]

oh

[frank elbow]

If you type it fully and ctrl + click then you can go to where Umbrella defines it in a stub

[drifting wigeon]

ohhh

[frank elbow]

This doesn't return anything, it just requests that the server sends its mod data down (which you'd then have to handle with an event listener). I'd avoid this, personally, since you can use commands to have more control over what's sent instead of sending the entire server mod data table every time you want something from it

[drifting wigeon]

So what do you think is the best practice/method for storing persistent data?

like a value for example as level

as important as

[frank elbow]

Depends on what you need, but for your use case you could store it in global mod data on the server & write commands to get that data when you need it

[drifting wigeon]

how i can write on globalmoddata?

or get it

[frank elbow]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_data

[drifting wigeon]

oh

i could just write a wrapper for it

btw global mod data is server only right?

[frank elbow]

No

[drifting wigeon]

so your allowing client to read it or write too?

[frank elbow]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_data#Networking

[drifting wigeon]

ohh

so when you get the mod data on clientside

it creates a different data table

but when you get it on server you get the serverside one

basically mutations

like a module

btw how do i do character flaws? in registries

[frank elbow]

I haven't used registries yet, but I'm pretty sure that's explained in the migration guide https://discord.com/channels/136501320340209664/1448602571810803785 (or see the example mod, if it has that)

[drifting wigeon]

just checked it

its literally a trait

but negative cost

[frank elbow]

Yeah

[drifting wigeon]

also

its referencing

UI_trait_x

on desc and name

on traits

where i can add those vars?

[frank elbow]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Translations

[drifting wigeon]

oh

so its ui translation

[knotty stone]

so now the 100million dollar question, how do i get ma semi trailers back to 1000 capacity? 🤪

[drifting wigeon]

cant get to register a trait

simply doesnt appear

this is my registries.lua

character_traits on scripts

got it to work

but for some reason

uhh

it doesnt display the translation i added

[sour wave]

Show your translation txt

I've had zero issue with custom traits and professions this far

@drifting wigeon is your translations in media/lua/shared/Translate/EN/FILENAME.txt?

[drifting wigeon]

yes

[sour wave]

can you show it please?

[sour wave]

the text in file

[drifting wigeon]

SCREAM_EN = {
    SCREAM_trait_paranoid = "Paranoid",
    SCREAM_trait_paranoidDesc = "You have mental problems, you need to take medication to battle this otherwise you will go crazy."
}

[drifting wigeon]

btw i changed these to SCREAM_trait_...

[frank elbow]

The prefixes that don't say "(optional)" on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Translations are not optional

i.e., you can't have SCREAM_trait_paranoid, assuming that's UI_EN.txt—you need to have the UI_ prefix

[drifting wigeon]

i did

SCREAM_EN

for my mod

[frank elbow]

The first line in the file does not actually matter

[drifting wigeon]

and the file name?

[frank elbow]

It has to be one of the ones the game expects

Like UI_EN.txt

[drifting wigeon]

im gonna try that

[knotty stone]

well if the trainee has deleted the 0 for max capacity, i will just add 9 other trunks with 100 each so we will be back at 1000 capacity for semi trailers

[peak furnace]

employing my evil spritework skills to edit the cheesecloth sprite into something resembling chainmail

i intend to make chainmail forging the pain in the ass that it is

putting together chainlinks by hand is agonising

[drifting wigeon]

how can i add status/moodle?s

[bronze yoke]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Moodle_Framework

[drifting wigeon]

is there a way i can do them on my own?

[bronze yoke]

not without rewriting the entire moodle ui

moodles are not moddable and you have to go to extreme lengths to fake them

that framework does it for you

[outer crypt]

question, will all client side code need to be moved to shared or can non-item moving code etc stay in the client folders?

[bronze yoke]

if it's client code it should be in client

[outer crypt]

ok ty, I heard the work around for client code on dedicated servers right now was to remove the DoLuaChecksum... I heard that was because of client code checks... it works though.

[bronze yoke]

i don't think it's to do with client code, there's just some issues with the checksum in general

disabling the checksum doesn't change how the code actually runs

[outer crypt]

ah okay, thank you so much, Albion! 🙂

[drifting wigeon]

btw how can i

uhh

make like the argument

for the .new

typechecked

like add a type to it

[bronze yoke]

---@param player IsoPlayer

[drifting wigeon]

thanks

btw

how i can require moodle framework?

requiring it like this

but i want it to intellisense

[bronze yoke]

you'll need to add the path to that mod to your libraries in .emmyrc.json

[drifting wigeon]

i got it like this

what do i need to change

i add it on workspace roots?

[bronze yoke]

add it to library

[drifting wigeon]

i do

"library": ["$PZ_UMBRELLA", "MOODLEFRAMEWORKDIRHERE"]

?

[bronze yoke]

yeah

[drifting wigeon]

okay thanks

btw does it support b42?

[bronze yoke]

yes

[drifting wigeon]

btw what folder inside moodle framework

do i need to ref for library?

[bronze yoke]

the lua folder

[drifting wigeon]

btw does it always have to be 4 goods and 4 bads?

[raven epoch]

is there an easy way to map building or other tile objects into script?

[drifting wigeon]

.lua files load once the player joins the game or on menu?

[bronze yoke]

if they enable the mod on the main menu, it will load on the menu

if they start singleplayer and the modlist doesn't match their main menu mod list all lua will be reloaded

all lua is always reloaded when joining multiplayer even if the mod list matches

[drifting wigeon]

so what do i do if i want the client to reload each time they join?

since it wont make much sense

joining a server/game

and having like

character variables from past servers

[bronze yoke]

that can't happen

[drifting wigeon]

they reload each time you join then?

[bronze yoke]

lua always reloads when joining multiplayer or leaving a singleplayer save

[drifting wigeon]

oh k

one question

[raven epoch]

worst case u tie it into events

[drifting wigeon]

if i write server code on /server

does it work on singleplayer?

[bronze yoke]

yes

[drifting wigeon]

okay

[bright fog]

See the Lua (API) wiki page for that

There's a load order and load conditions

[raven epoch]

anyone got ideas?

[drifting wigeon]

thats the thing

you would just be adding callbacks

each time you join a server

right?

if you reload

[drifting wigeon]

okay

[frank elbow]

Lua reloads when joining a server

[bright fog]

I'm sure there's a million ways to do that

[raven epoch]

oh

[frank elbow]

The reload includes getting rid of old event listeners, if that's the confusion

[raven epoch]

how about something like

road stories

[drifting wigeon]

ohhh

[raven epoch]

or whatever they are called

[drifting wigeon]

thanks

[raven epoch]

surely the devs didnt manually code in rotation and all

[bright fog]

Story events

[raven epoch]

yes those

[bright fog]

I'm not familiar with how they are stored

But I told you can place buildings manually

tbx files I believe they are

[bronze yoke]

stories don't add tiles

[bright fog]

They do actually ?

[raven epoch]

can i load these tbx files from script?

[bright fog]

Some stories do have tiles in them

[bronze yoke]

they just spawn items and cars don't they

[bright fog]

._. I said you can spawn buildings, tbx files, so of course you can load them in

You probably can't load their data tho

[bright fog]

No they do spawn tiles

[raven epoch]

thats fine

[bright fog]

Some do spawn tiles

[raven epoch]

fence generator is getting an upgrade

[bright fog]

Like that one road story with a manhole, there's orange cones

There's also the camp story

[raven epoch]

quick question

what happens to stuff that are far away

and unloaded

[raven epoch]

variables default to nil?

[bright fog]

Wdym what happens ?

[raven epoch]

say i got an npc in a variable

player roams away

and unloads the npc

[bright fog]

Unsure

I'd assume they keep their ref

[raven epoch]

i do like my mem leaks

ok something else to add :evaporate:

[bronze yoke]

you're using isoplayers right

[raven epoch]

ye

[bright fog]

He is

[bronze yoke]

yeah that's a memory leak then

[bright fog]

Wdym a memory leak ?

[raven epoch]

npc doesnt exist but references to them exist

[bronze yoke]

if you don't drop the reference after it unloads the isoplayer will never be collected

[raven epoch]

and never get cleaned up

[bright fog]

Interesting, and it never gets reassigned to that NPc when you load the area ?

[bronze yoke]

i don't think isoplayer is pooled, it wouldn't make much sense to

other object types are pooled so holding references doesn't usually cause a memory leak but it causes other bugs that are usually actually more annoying

[raven epoch]

even if it did thats a npc logic running even when the npc isnt there

[raven epoch]

this editor is only for b42?

[bronze yoke]

starlit has a module that makes this a bit less annoying but i don't know if it works with isoplayers

[raven epoch]

i can handle it prob dw

[bright fog]

Yes

[drifting wigeon]

btw isoplayer object means the character physical, not the connection to server right?

so if a character is in creation

[bright fog]

Forgot you're doing your shit on B41 --'

[drifting wigeon]

theres no isoplayer

[bright fog]

Yea it's the player object

[drifting wigeon]

okay

[raven epoch]

i should prob get the soldier ai solid before working on these

bro just left me to die

[bronze yoke]

wait why are you in b41

[bright fog]

Bcs he's probably learning from superb survivor which doesn't exist in B42

[raven epoch]

i want the game to be stable while i figure out modding

and also that yes

[bright fog]

But it's technically the same shit

[drifting wigeon]

how can i listen from server

to check when a player object spawned in? (player client only)

is there a event for that?

[bronze yoke]

a lot of the things you're learning are already out of date though 😅 they're making a lot of changes to how mods work

[bright fog]

Did you check the list of events ?

[raven epoch]

first time modding any game tho

[drifting wigeon]

yeah cant find anything

[raven epoch]

except gmod maybe

[drifting wigeon]

theres no event to check from server when a player joined the game

[bright fog]

That's client side:
OnCreatePlayer

[drifting wigeon]

yeah

but serverside?

server should be able to detect when a player joined its instance

[bronze yoke]

yeah that would make sense wouldn't it

[bright fog]

I guess you checked if there were new events already ? @bronze yoke

[drifting wigeon]

so i just do a oncreateplayer and send a client command to server to just let the server know he's there?

what if connection fails?

[bright fog]

I guess

[bronze yoke]

i ran a scan for new events but i haven't reconfirmed the details of any existing events

[bright fog]

You can probably check if the IsoPlayer exists from server side

[bronze yoke]

types are still accurate but client/server annotations could be incorrect

[drifting wigeon]

uhh how would i go on that?

do i parse the player UID to server

and it iterates through all server players to check if its existant?

[bronze yoke]

they're already connected to the server and playing when this event triggers

[bright fog]

No, just use the online ID of that player, which you receive from them when you make them send it to you, try to access the player and if it doesn't exist, it might be because they left

Also maybe you can get a list of clients on the server, and check whenever someone left

And associate them to their player

[bronze yoke]

you can get a list of active isoplayers

[drifting wigeon]

how do i get the online id? and does the online id change or its locked for that player independently if the server - client reboots?

[bright fog]

getOnlineID

[drifting wigeon]

thats for client-side right?

[bright fog]

On any IsoPlayer ref

So if you have that ref server side it works too

An online ID is associated to an IsoPlayer instance

[drifting wigeon]

and onlineid changes?

each time you enter the same server?

[bright fog]

Yea

[drifting wigeon]

hmm

thats fine

do i have to register sounds?

[bright fog]

No

[drifting wigeon]

how can i play a sound?

hold on im gonna see how

do i call addsound

and the isoobject can be isoplayer right?

[dull moss]

I highly recommend looking at a mod that can play a sound

[bronze yoke]

isoplayers are isoobjects

[drifting wigeon]

i lowk dont want to depend on anything

im not using moodles

i made a manager

that creates a oop for a player

and registers the state

[dull moss]

What I mean is looking how any other mod plays sounds

[drifting wigeon]

of a trait

[drifting wigeon]

oh

[dull moss]

Not using a framework for sounds

[drifting wigeon]

i thought you meant about a api

[drifting wigeon]

okay thanks

[limber solar]

hi there, has anybody found a way to use addxp in mp? it looks like it gets rolled back and not validated

[bronze yoke]

xp must be added from the server

[limber solar]

im sending a clientCommand that triggers the server to add xp, but it doesnt look like it works

[drifting wigeon]

this is a bad practice btw

you shouldnt trust client with this

[limber solar]

agreed

but necessary to get some load off the server

[drifting wigeon]

hmm

what are you rewarding xp for? maybe you can make a way for it to run on server in an optimized way

[limber solar]

nimble

[drifting wigeon]

what's that

[limber solar]

for being in aiming stance and moving

[drifting wigeon]

oh

[limber solar]

i should keep a list of all players with x z and stance

serverside

[drifting wigeon]

just make a server oop combatmanager for the mod or any kind

and make if it starts aiming

or moving

send a signal to the server

to set the state to moving or aiming

[limber solar]

i already got it to trigger on the correct moments, but the xp add isnt working

i have a halo that pops correctly

[bronze yoke]

that is trusting the client with more steps

[limber solar]

but no xp, even if i try /addxp me Nimble=1000 it gives me the xp and rolls back

[drifting wigeon]

What would you do

[limber solar]

check it out

if i do it with stat manager it works

[dull moss]

I have a bunch of traits that are loaded conditionally, to allow people disable traits they do not like, is it completely fcked with the scripts system?
As example

    if not activatedMods:contains("\\2934686936/EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableAxeThrower") then
        local AxeThrower = createTrait("AxeThrower", 4);
        AxeThrower:addXPBoost(Perks.Axe, 1);
        table.insert(newTraits, AxeThrower);
    end

    if not activatedMods:contains("\\2934686936/EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableBloodlust") then
        local Bloodlust = createTrait("Bloodlust", 4);
        table.insert(newTraits, Bloodlust);
    end
...
--- add traits later down the code

[raven epoch]

doesnt the server know whether the client is aiming and crouching?

[bronze yoke]

pretty much

[dull moss]

or can we put code in registries.lua?

fuck

[bronze yoke]

you were using mod ids to disable traits?

[dull moss]

ye i had a separate mod to let ppl disable traits 1 by 1

[limber solar]

been trying for 2 days to do that and to get stamina regen for sitting but stats seems to be private/protected in java class and not exposed for lua

[bronze yoke]

that's cursed as hell 😅 you can do it with sandbox options, starlit has a module for it

[dull moss]

I was not aware of that

its not that bad

[bronze yoke]

basically it just hides the trait from selection

it's not optional to pre-register traits anymore but doing it that way wasn't compatible with sandbox options anyway

[drifting wigeon]

how can i play a sound originated from a player?

[bronze yoke]

player:playSound("name")

[drifting wigeon]

okay thanks

[dull moss]

im looking at the docs and i dont see anything
Which module is it?

[drifting wigeon]

can i add sounds like this?

[bronze yoke]

i don't think i wrote docs for that one

[dull moss]

ah k

[bronze yoke]

it's older and ported from some other shit i made, let me check how it works

[dull moss]

[bright fog]

No =

[drifting wigeon]

how then

[bright fog]

No = in the sound script line

[dull moss]

brother look at any mod that adds sounds

[drifting wigeon]

oops srry

should be good then?

[bright fog]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sound_(scripts)

[drifting wigeon]

and on playsound i do scream:x right?

[bright fog]

You shouldn't have that scream: thing

[drifting wigeon]

do i do scream_

then

?

[bright fog]

You just don't do that

You put it in a module of yours

[bright fog]

Unless the game is inconsistent here and doesn't use the module off sound scripts, which it might not use actually

Then you'd need a suffix

[drifting wigeon]

and this?

[bright fog]

Try calling it with the module, just so we can see if that thing is script bullshit or not

[drifting wigeon]

?

[bright fog]

Else you'll need a suffix in your sound script ID to not clash with other definitions

[bronze yoke]

local Traits = require("Starlit/sandbox/Traits")

local traitInfo = Traits.getOrCreateInfo(MyCharacterTrait)
traitInfo.toggleOption = "MyMod.myOption"

wait what the hell is this shit hold on

[bright fog]

Do you know what modules are

[drifting wigeon]

i will add a suffix anyways just in case

[drifting wigeon]

yes i do

[bronze yoke]

there is a typo that is going to make this not work LOL

[drifting wigeon]

safer now

[bronze yoke]

that code will work, i just need to push a hotfix really quick 😅

[dull moss]

Is there any mod that uses that module, I'd like to look at working implementation?

Collection on workshop doesnt look like it has any trait mods

[bronze yoke]

the only mod that uses it used a copy pasted version because it was before the module was released

it'll be outdated now since the whole trait revamp a couple days ago

[dull moss]

its pain coming back to pz modding after almost year break

[drifting wigeon]

getuid will return the same thing for a player in client and server right?

[bright fog]

No idea what that is

It's online ID that should return the same ID

[drifting wigeon]

why dont we work off of steamid?

easier

since that doesnt change

[bright fog]

Different application

[drifting wigeon]

uhh

hmm

[bright fog]

Basically the game supports servers outside of Steam

[drifting wigeon]

oncreateplayer only fires when the character is customized and created? or when it loads in?

[bright fog]

So depending on a Steam ID limits things for that, and so I guess they went with another system to identify IsoPlayers client and server side, and there's already a method to retrieve the IsoPlayer instance via an onlineID

[bright fog]

When it loads in since the IsoPlayer reference already exists

[drifting wigeon]

okay, also for each time they die does its id change?

or isoplayer change?

[bright fog]

Yes

[drifting wigeon]

so online id changes when they die?

[bright fog]

I said an online ID is associated to an IsoPlayer

[bronze yoke]

ok that's fixed, make sure it updates and let me know if there's any problems

[bright fog]

So if that IsoPlayer disappears, its ID too

[dull moss]

that'll be a while as first I'll have to migrate all my traits to scripts from NPCCreationMethods

[drifting wigeon]

btw if i do player:getmoddata() that data will save on server when player leaves?

[bronze yoke]

yeah you're gonna be hit hard by these changes huh 😅

[dull moss]

yep

[drifting wigeon]

this also means that when the player leaves even if the character didnt die, the id disappears right?

and when they join the isoplayer has a different one

isnt there any bound id to the living character?

[bright fog]

The ID still exists, but the IsoPlayer ref disappears

[bright fog]

Why would you need that ?

[drifting wigeon]

to store a class in a dictionary for a trait manager

[bright fog]

Use object mod data if you need to keep track of player informations

[drifting wigeon]

hmm

i got an idea

[bronze yoke]

i think if they rejoin they get the same online id back

[bright fog]

I'd be surprised tbh

[bronze yoke]

they only reset when the server resets

[drifting wigeon]

so its like player uuid in minecraft servers?

[bronze yoke]

maybe?

[drifting wigeon]

could be

[bronze yoke]

i really don't know how minecraft servers behave

[drifting wigeon]

they store data based on the character uuid

i think

[verbal yew]

if i use my module for new items like:

module BetLock
    imports
    {
        Base
    }

    item BobbyPin
    {
        DisplayCategory = Tool,
        ItemType = base:normal,
        Weight = 0.01,
        Icon = BobbyPin,
        Tooltip = Tooltip_BetLock_BobbyPin,
        WorldStaticModel = Paperclip,
    }
}

should i do ItemType = BetLock:normal?

[bright fog]

No

[bronze yoke]

i mean if they're using uuids it sounds like they're meant to be used for persistent storage

online ids are not persistent

[drifting wigeon]

btw when i recieve the ondisconnect event on client i can still communicate with the server to alert him a player is leaving?

[worldly folio]

I want to translate the game into Hebrew but I can't. I don't see the font. It's gone. I'm looking for someone with experience to help me in exchange for money.

[drifting wigeon]

i need a reliable persisent id

[bright fog]

Why do you need an ID ?

What's the need you have for it ?

[bronze yoke]

does it need to be a player id or a character id

[drifting wigeon]

for a reliable way of storing a class oop bound to a player connection id

[bright fog]

Because if object mod data is enough, I don't see why bother with an ID

[drifting wigeon]

its not enough

[dull moss]

If I used to append few symbols to trait names to mark them for players, that is also gone, right?

---@param name string
---@param cost number
---@param isProfExclusive boolean
---@param isDisabled boolean
---@return Trait
local function createTrait(name, cost, isProfExclusive, isDisabled)
    isProfExclusive = isProfExclusive or false;
    isDisabled = isDisabled or false;
    if getActivatedMods():contains("EvolvingTraitsWorldMarkDynamicTraits") then
        return TraitFactory.addTrait(name, getText("UI_trait_" .. name) .. " (D)", cost, getText("UI_trait_" .. name .. "Desc"), isProfExclusive, isDisabled);
    else
        return TraitFactory.addTrait(name, getText("UI_trait_" .. name), cost, getText("UI_trait_" .. name .. "Desc"), isProfExclusive, isDisabled);
    end
end

man this update

[drifting wigeon]

i need to create a class and garbage collect it each time a player join and leaves

[bright fog]

I don't see what's stopping you from doing that here

[drifting wigeon]

classStore[reliableIdentifier] = nil or x

[verbal yew]

Are mods from the workshop category loaded too when selected?
because I have a mod in two places...

[drifting wigeon]

and ondisconnect i can still comm with server?

[bright fog]

No idea

[bronze yoke]

yes, do not have the same mod in two different places

[bright fog]

Don't have two copies

[verbal yew]

ahhh... I did so many manipulations elsewhere to understand that the workshop was a priority...

thanks

[raven epoch]

what can i add to these noobs

video has jumpscare

[drifting wigeon]

would i be able to do this?

[bright fog]

Maybe

[drifting wigeon]

wait

do you have to like guess what each thing does on the code?

pz devs dont release official guides?

[bright fog]

Yea

That was the first time they released anything

[drifting wigeon]

which thing?

[bright fog]

This

[drifting wigeon]

oh

[bright fog]

Basically the whole modding wiki you have at your disposal is completely community built, and I probably wrote like 90% of it ? 😅

I got the help of others, notably albion, on the technical details

Albion who is also the one managing the JavaDocs for B42, and the LuaDocs, and Umbrella

So yea we have to guess everything, like we have to find out everything that changed the majority of the time

Us getting notices from TIS about changes is kind of a first, best we usually get is a mention of things in the patch notes, and the majority of the time it omits a lot of things

[bronze yoke]

aiteron is working on some basic api docs

[bright fog]

Apparently yea

[drifting wigeon]

this would make things easier

if a dev actually gets involved

[bright fog]

Which tbh I don't understand why this isn't made on the modding wiki

[bright fog]

He's a dev

[drifting wigeon]

yeah thats why

[dull moss]

I mean imagine if 42.13 dropped without docs

[bronze yoke]

i would've had to repeat myself even more than i have 😅

[dull moss]

Go try to figure what the fuck happened and why every single mod out there is bricked

[bright fog]

What scares me is that those notices become unusable, or are badly written / aren't actually proper intructions to doing X Y Z

[drifting wigeon]

they should make a clear structure

[jaunty iris]

is there someone here that can help me with a simple mod im creating? ive no idea why it isnt working

[drifting wigeon]

and that doesnt change behavior of old mods

with new updates

which is totally possible

[dull moss]

Making new game updates backwards compatible with mods is as far from bright idea as it gets

[bronze yoke]

it's not possible with the level of changes they're making currently

[bright fog]

just ask questions

[bronze yoke]

it should be noted that only one of the documents released alongside this update is the migration guide

the other is part of the general guide aiteron has been writing

[dull moss]

Like the code overhead on that is honestly beyond imagining

[drifting wigeon]

yeah ig, game is still in early ac right?

[jaunty iris]

im trying to make a mod that gives the zombies their own custom walking sounds. whatever they are wearing. but it is not working

[bronze yoke]

the game's code is genuinely just really poorly designed in a lot of very major areas and they're working on that now and that means big breaking changes

[jaunty iris]

this is my first mod and im doing it with help from internet and chatgpt

they still use the same bank as the player

[dull moss]

I'd recommend replacing chatgpt with other_mod_that_works_and_does_similar_thing

[drifting wigeon]

a good approach should be making the game with modding in mind, making game structure like a puzzle, plug and play, like each feature of the game being a kind of a mod that's already pre-integrated, so you just build up and not like "break the whole thing" each update

if yk what i mean

[dull moss]

I'm a big advocate for chatgpt in coding but it's really bad when it comes to PZ API

[bronze yoke]

the most major design change is making the game more extendable and working on the core frameworks of the game

[jaunty iris]

i mean ive already tried multiple ways and rn i have a custom bank and a LUA script. but it doenst wanna work

[bronze yoke]

this breaks every mod because it wasn't designed this way in the first place, it's not something that is possible to maintain compatibility with

[drifting wigeon]

they should keep old functions/methods but changed for retrocompatibility

[jaunty iris]

so if anyone that knows more aboutr this can help me figure it out that would be nice

[bronze yoke]

it's not just old functions, it's the core design of these systems

[drifting wigeon]

ig

[bronze yoke]

they *could* have allowed trait identifiers that are just strings to continue working, but then that basically just throws out every benefit of changing the system, and most mods would simply never update to the newer API

[drifting wigeon]

registries seem good tho

[bright fog]

I'm of the pov that such changes is fine, yea it'll break mods but if it's for the better it's worth it

[bronze yoke]

basically maintaining compatibility with changes this fundamental is an insane code burden and genuinely just goes against the point of making these changes in the first place

[drifting wigeon]

just think abt what will happen when they release next build

i dont want my code broken

[bronze yoke]

changes like this do not happen every build

[bright fog]

B42 released and barely broke anything

[bronze yoke]

when b42 first released i only had to make changes to one of my mods

[small topaz]

Hi! Is there still a Java Doc for the 42.12 or older versions available somewhere?

[bright fog]

Nop

[drifting wigeon]

but it broke the way traits work? for me that is too much already

[bronze yoke]

the trait system was awful and needed a total revamp, i don't think they've even gone far enough yet

[drifting wigeon]

is there a guide for ui?

[bright fog]

https://github.com/MrBounty/PZ-Mod---Doc/blob/main/Make an custom UI.md

I have one planned for the wiki, but not done yet

not even started yet

[sour wave]

What language are the translation text files? I am ahving a brain fart

[bronze yoke]

they do not conform to any language

[drifting wigeon]

text and stuff uses udim2?

[sour wave]

Alright didn't think so.

[bright fog]

udim2 ?

[drifting wigeon]

nvm

uhh

scale and offset

[bright fog]

Yea it's not a language

[drifting wigeon]

scale: relative to screen offset: pixels

[sour wave]

Sooo absolutely no comments at all in those files.

[bright fog]

Yes actually

[sour wave]

How?

[drifting wigeon]

can i actually do this? (storing mod data on a class)

[bright fog]

Of course

[frank elbow]

Mod data is just a regular Lua table

[drifting wigeon]

btw moddata is isoplayer bound right? if player dies it erases right?

[frank elbow]

Man at least toss me a bone for my work on the Lua stubs 😭 (I don't actually care about credit at all, poking fun)

[frank elbow]

It is bound to the player, but when the player dies if you still have a reference to the IsoPlayer then I'm pretty sure you can still grab the table

[drifting wigeon]

oh okay

[frank elbow]

If you mean well after they've died (i.e., different session), though, then yeah

[drifting wigeon]

yeah i meant about like getting the new player

[bright fog]

You are right sorry, you do tend to be the shadow of the project and so I don't actually know how much work is yours 🥲

[frank elbow]

You're good lol

[frank elbow]

Wym?

[drifting wigeon]

player dies

client creates a new player

player joins the world

oncreatedplayer fires

server receives it

and gets player

different moddata right?

[frank elbow]

Yeah, different mod data on the new player object

[drifting wigeon]

and if player rejoins?

but no dead character?

[bright fog]

Should be the same

[frank elbow]

Same mod data, but remember it's not sync'd (I believe)

[drifting wigeon]

im getting moddata on server

as a "data-store"

but i want it per character

so this should do

[bronze yoke]

lua docs are really 99% omar's work, he wrote the generator for lua type information and goes over it for accuracy after most patches, i just wrote a quick script that would let doxygen make sense of it

[frank elbow]

Simple answer is "like a Lua comment, with --". Full answer goes into the weird parser quirks that make it so that technically it's any line that contains --, and does not contain = and ". The detail only really matters when extending translation lines with .. (which is also something you can do), since starting a translation with -- would render it unusable otherwise

So, basic answer is just -- comment for comments in translation files, except for some weird edge cases

Actually, checking again, idt the detail matters since the comment check prevents extending with ... So, simple answer probably suffices The comment condition does not run for lines ending with .. 🤦

[bright fog]

I did not knew about it yea

[drifting wigeon]

btw is there a way that the server i test the mod on i host as an outdated version of my mod?