mod_development

[pastel wolf]

yeah lemme hop on debug mode

[autumn bluff]

hm

well thats the only place the word "puppers" appears in the entire lua section

inside here:
SpecialLootSpawns.DogTags = {}

[worn lodge]

check names of things although you already did

and try putting the vanilla mesh in its place

just to check

it is a mesh thing it seems

[bronze yoke]

if you're getting the failed to load asset: AssetPath{ "ProFishingRod" } error that means somewhere you specified the path to the model as exactly ProFishingRod when it should be weapons/2handed/ProFishingRod based on your screenshots

[bronze yoke]

also, iirc, if it shows the icon on the ground, that probably means you forgot to specify WorldStaticModel for the item, rather than the model failing to load - pretty sure if the model fails to load you see nothing instead

[pastel wolf]

how do i go about fixing that?

[bronze yoke]

in your item block add WorldStaticModel = ProfishingRod, (exactly matching the name of your model block from your screenshot)

[pastel wolf]

Like so?

[bronze yoke]

yeah!

your WeaponSprite should match the capitalisation as well

you have ProFishingRod but the model is called ProfishingRod

[pastel wolf]

oop

i'll update the model's capitalization then too

THERES MY BEAUTIFUL

now its just not showing in my hands

or on my back

but it shows up on the ground! kinda pointing striaght up though

problem for later, I just want it to show up in my hands now

but there it is!

[worn lodge]

@bronze yoke hey albion sorry for the ping but how difficult do you think itll be to make a bootclip attachment for a backpack that shows the exact model of the attached boots?

[bronze yoke]

i think it would be somewhat complex, you'd need lua code swapping out the model behind the scenes or something, and it'd probably not be possible to e.g. automatically grab the boots model from any mod, you'd have to manually add support for specific mods

[worn lodge]

hmm i see

[pastel wolf]

Its odd that its showing up on the ground and not in my hands...

[worn lodge]

so if i went the lazy route i could just use a basic model for it to show

[bronze yoke]

yeah, if you don't mind it not matching the actual model of the boots then it probably wouldn't be too complicated

[worn lodge]

couldnt i theoretically make a check for footwear and look for the name of the item in the container?

or just the attached pair of footwear instead of container check

[bronze yoke]

you just can't really get very creative with rendering models unfortunately, i don't think you'd be able to show them on the clip unless you had a ClothingItem that places it there

[pastel wolf]

AYYY

https://tenor.com/view/kiddwaya-kidd-money-wdg-gif-20815018

[pastel wolf]

hrm

now after fixing the issue of the quads on the reel and updating the texture

its not taking the new texture

[worn lodge]

redo uv

[pastel wolf]

oop, yeah that was it

right!

so its here, it functions

i'm going to lower its weight and up its durability a bit, and now to add it to spawnpool!

[worn lodge]

Dub

youre basically done

[pastel wolf]

now for the other two

which should go way quicker with me getting this first one made!

[pastel wolf]

Three of them!

tomorrow I want to try making some more implements, an old wooden oar and a fishing net, and try to figure out how items breaking works, make a broken version of the oar

One problem I had, which seems to be part of the new fishing system ((which is fun)) is that when a fish is caught it changed the model of the rod to a bent one, which means when i'm fishing and I do snag a big one the rod turns invisible until it's reeled in

i also want to dive into trying to make some clothes too but that seems a lot more complex

[ancient grail]

im not sure but it might be cuz of anims xml file uses another model

same as sawn off shotgun

if thats the case then you might need to clone that to be able to change it to your preferred model

but like i said im not sure
you would have to check the xml on your own
cuz i cant do it from my end since im currently modding for b41

[pastel wolf]

fair enough, i'll try digging into it more later because it would be cool for the rod to bend when I do catch the big one

[worn lodge]

@ancient grail hey glytcher quick question, whats this about held in hand models? as in "Backpack_LHand" for example?

is it just a different rotation or..?

[pastel wolf]

also making these repairable would be smart too..

[ancient grail]

where did you see that? if its on the script then idk that might be for b42 only .

i dont know much about b42

[worn lodge]

i dont think its b42

i think its for whenever you hold something (specifically a backpack) on either hand

[ancient grail]

where did you see it

[worn lodge]

and it changes rotation

i was checking a xml file

to gather knowledge

[ancient grail]

ahh can you paste the contents of that xml

[worn lodge]

yea hold

`<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<fileGuidTable>

<files>
    <path>media/clothing/clothingItems/BasedBackpack.xml</path>
    <guid>cccbb588-4931-4126-aa1b-cbe2fbc017b7</guid>
</files>

<files>
    <path>media/clothing/clothingItems/BasedBackpack_LHand.xml</path>
    <guid>85a23017-b7f9-4a18-addc-564ddc9caa7c</guid>
</files>    

<files>
    <path>media/clothing/clothingItems/BasedBackpack_RHand.xml</path>
    <guid>5505a841-cd44-4bbc-a7a3-402201dda0b7</guid>
</files>

</fileGuidTable>`

[ancient grail]

thats just for clothing
that means theres a clothing item that uses that xml

[worn lodge]

yea yea yea

i was trying to figure out

how to put my backpack onto the skeleton

the hand

but the bones arent showing up

[ancient grail]

so to give an example

    item Jumper_TankTopDiamondTINT
    {
        DisplayCategory = Clothing,
        Type = Clothing,
        DisplayName = Diamond-pattern Sweater Vest,
        ClothingItem = Jumper_TankTopDiamondTINT,
        BodyLocation = Sweater,
        BloodLocation = JumperNoSleeves,
        Icon = SweaterVestArgyle,
        ScratchDefense = 10,
        Insulation = 0.4,
        WindResistance = 0.2,
        FabricType = Cotton,
        WorldStaticModel = JumperSleeveless_Ground,
    }

theres an xml file thats named Jumper_TankTopDiamondTINT

so in your case

clothingItems\BasedBackpack.xml
clothingItems\BasedBackpack_LHand.xml
clothingItems\BasedBackpack_RHand.xml```

basically the ClothingItem properties on the item scripts point towards the xml file
and the fileguid should also have an entry for that xml file
with its own guid

[ancient grail]

this is something else

im not even sure what you mean by that

[worn lodge]

Yeah, since i saw that it had the Left and Right things for the backpack

i assumed i have to do that for mine too

but with the fbx im using

no bones show up on blender

so i cant add the backpack to the hand and yada yada

armature is there

but no vertex groups show

although i guess this is more of a modeling thing.........

[ancient grail]

    item Bag_FannyPackFront
    {
        DisplayCategory = Bag,
        WeightReduction    =    50,
        ClothingItemExtra = Bag_FannyPackBack,
        ClothingItemExtraOption = FannyPack_WearBack,
        clothingExtraSubmenu = FannyPack_WearFront,
        Weight    =    0.2,
        Type    =    Container,
        Capacity    =    1,
        DisplayName    =    Fanny Pack (Front),
        Icon    =    FannyPack,
        OpenSound   =   OpenBag,
        CloseSound   =   CloseBag,
        PutInSound   =   PutItemInBag,
        BodyLocation = FannyPackFront,
        ClothingItem = Bag_FannyPackFront,
        CanBeEquipped = FannyPackFront,
        RunSpeedModifier = 0.98,
        WorldStaticModel = FannyPack_Ground,
    }

    item Bag_FannyPackBack
    {
        DisplayCategory = Bag,
        WeightReduction    =    50,
        ClothingItemExtra = Bag_FannyPackFront,
        ClothingItemExtraOption = FannyPack_WearFront,
        clothingExtraSubmenu = FannyPack_WearBack,
        Weight    =    0.2,
        Type    =    Container,
        Capacity    =    1,
        DisplayName    =    Fanny Pack (Back),
        Icon    =    FannyPack,
        OpenSound   =   OpenBag,
        CloseSound   =   CloseBag,
        PutInSound   =   PutItemInBag,
        BodyLocation = FannyPackBack,
        ClothingItem = Bag_FannyPackBack,
        CanBeEquipped = FannyPackBack,
        RunSpeedModifier = 0.98,
        WorldStaticModel = FannyPack_Ground,
    }
    model FannyPack_Ground
    {
        mesh = WorldItems/Clothing/M_FannyPackFront_Ground,
        scale = 0.4,
    }

so basically you create 2 or more clothing items and link them together by using
ClothingItemExtra
these are the context menu strings
ClothingItemExtraOption clothingExtraSubmenu

model FannyPack_Ground {...}
is for the model you see when you drop the item on the ground
so most of the time you have 2 models
the static - the one you see on the player
and the ground/worlditem
you can use the static model as ground but that wouldnt normally look right
(standing or floating)

[worn lodge]

hmmm yeah i get it

but well

i took the military bag code

and it has

        ReplaceInSecondHand = BridgesBag_LHand holdingbagleft,```

thats my added code with the bridgesbag but

it used to say alicebagR and L

[ancient grail]

yeah oh that is related to the anim xml

[worn lodge]

Okay so i gotta do that on my own right

since the bag fbx i looked at it changed the model slightly and adjusted it towards the hand seemingly using the armature

and it moves the bag with the arm'

but i cant do that with the armature

myself

[ancient grail]

holdingbagright and holdingbagleft refers to the player animation variable that is set to true whenever you use that option
but im not sure about BridgesBag_RHand
that might be attachment location? idk..
can you show a screenshot of the problem in game?
i dont think i understand the issue tbh

[worn lodge]

My issue is

im trying to make the reference for the file

right

so putting the bag on the right hand

this is on blender btw

But when i select the armature

there is NO vertex groups

so i cant make the right hand anim reference

therefore it probably wont show in the right/left hand when held

[ancient grail]

ok i looked at it somemore and found an example
Bag_PlasticBag_RHand is the xml
PlasticBag_RHand is the model
and its used by multiple bag items for some reason so you might not need to make your own.

just copy the ones you see on a vanilla script

[ancient grail]

you have to manually add them

[worn lodge]

ooh huuhh

well

then

the one that is already made here

wont show up

is it because its linked to the backpack i took?

[ancient grail]

im not really sure . there are several possibilities if thats the case

can you paste your item script

[worn lodge]

my xml?

[ancient grail]

i think i understand it now

    item Bag_Satchel
    {
        DisplayCategory = Bag,
        WeightReduction    =    30,
        Weight    =    1,
        Type    =    Container,
        Capacity    =    15,
        DisplayName    =    Satchel,
        IconsForTexture = Satchel_Leather;Satchel_Green;Satchel_Khaki,
        CanBeEquipped = Back,
        OpenSound   =   OpenBag,
        CloseSound   =   CloseBag,
        PutInSound   =   PutItemInBag,
        ClothingItem = Bag_Satchel,
        BloodLocation = Bag,
        RunSpeedModifier = 0.99,
        ReplaceInSecondHand = Bag_Satchel_LHand holdingbagleft,
        ReplaceInPrimaryHand = Bag_Satchel_RHand holdingbagright,
        WorldStaticModel = Satchel_Ground,
    }

Bag_Satchel
Bag_Satchel_LHand
Bag_Satchel_RHand

these are all xml files inside the clothingItems folder

[worn lodge]

Yes

[ancient grail]

hmmm... maybe look at an fbx from a mod and see how they did the right and left hand versions .. i havent done anything like this before
only the equipped one

[worn lodge]

i can send you the fbx from the basedbackpack mod

that im looking at

because i tried to yoink the armature and the already added vertex group

but it only shows on the other backpack

[tranquil kindle]

What you need help with?

I made quite amount of backpacks and understand it quite well

[worn lodge]

trying to make left and right handed holding refs

for my bag

tried taking an armature from an already done one from a mod

but the vertex group only shows on the modded bag

and wont show on my bags armature modifier

[tranquil kindle]

Why not use the same one you did your original backpack, unles you haven't had it working at all since lack of armature?

[worn lodge]

the latter

i did the bag first no armature

maybe thats my big mistake

[tranquil kindle]

Have you seen my guide about making clothing mod?

The idea for backpack is very similar

[worn lodge]

yeah i was looking at it

[tranquil kindle]

Do you have armature that is linked in there? I use it myself so that would be the easiest to explain

[worn lodge]

yea i got it

[tranquil kindle]

Give me a sec. I'll make a small video/gif

You do have custom model for backpack that already has vertex groups, right?

So you don't have to type the names of them

[worn lodge]

soo i dont

[tranquil kindle]

Thats fine

Okay, so pretty much you need to add some bones to backpack model

https://i.gyazo.com/b538f30396ec8fa8b5f58e292d8383d2.mp4

Sorry, groups*

[rancid cargo]

How do I load my 2 textures into the game? I've modified the water shader to include new texture samplers but the textures are not appearing ingame. I did put them in \textures folder but that didnt work ofc, so I'm guessing I'd have to put them where those 3 are? Which my best guess is one of .pack texturepacks.

[tranquil kindle]

you just put + and write name of bones you want it to be affected with.

For backpack most common is Bip01_BackPack, but there are also Spine/Spine1 to make the straps move separetly. Otherwise it would look wonky

[worn lodge]

alright'

so if i wanted to put it on the hand

id do

Bip01_R_Hand

right

[tranquil kindle]

Yes

So you only need Rhand bone for right hand

then go Edit mode, select all faces and give it all 100 % of weight and "assign"

However you need to move backpack in the area where hand is, apply all transforms before export

[worn lodge]

Alright

got it working now

so with the main bag ill have to do this with the back too? spine and all that

[tranquil kindle]

I add Spine/Spine1 to Straps to make it move more with the torso, Backpack bone is more for mesh part thats just on back

You could add calvices right and left one, but... its not worth the effort messing with weights

There will always be some clipping, especially with other modded clothes

[worn lodge]

hmm yeah

so for bag straps do i make them hover a bit over the model

[tranquil kindle]

https://i.gyazo.com/d58838c6d752a5fa2f21cce3c0bf0661.mp4 https://i.gyazo.com/58c8f0f5ed4826e31fe0870af24bc42e.mp4

I spend 90% of weightpainting on Straps itself 😂

[worn lodge]

oof dude

[tranquil kindle]

Or if i feel like Extra working i transfer weights from Player model into Backpack so Straps get extra details

[worn lodge]

reconsidering even having straps atp

[tranquil kindle]

It's not that hard

Jut do Upper half of straps Spine 1 and bottom one Spine, see how it plays out

Then you can average it

Weight painting is something you have to get a grasp out

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3432928943 Feel free to check out my backpack mod and see how i weighted them for references

[worn lodge]

damn i already got that one

ill check it

i dabbled ever so slightly in weight painting when i made like

custom fortnite models and stuff

but never got too deep in the sauce

[worn lodge]

howd you do that with proportional editing? i think the small scale of this messing with me and wont let me downsize the radius

[bronze yoke]

you can't, mods have no control over shader uniforms

you can add a new uniform but that doesn't make the game actually set a value for it

[tranquil kindle]

Mouse scroll untill its right size

Or just for the moment of editing increase scale 100 or 1000 times, edit it and go back

I myself model stuff at 100/1000 scale, then resize it down

I know i could do it with export settings and just do all in Big size, but... i'd rather stick to something i know

[worn lodge]

yeaah thats fair

well thank you so much you saved me with this one so badly

definitely wont be the last time you help me out big

[rancid cargo]

very sad situation with the game water shader

[trail ibex]

What are some good reverse engineering tools for lua?

[dusky thistle]

Not sure what you're asking for, as lua in PZ is plaintext (not compiled), and doesn't need to be reversed.

[trail ibex]

Is there a way to see the code run?

[dusky thistle]

Debug mode.

[trail ibex]

Okay thanks

[bronze yoke]

it's an interpreted language, the source code is right there, and the game has a built-in debugger and everything 😅

[limber hull]

is it possible to add the b42 towns to b41? Any modders who have recreated the towns?

[stuck turtle]

hey guys, i'm trying to make a mod which adds a custom sleeping bag but i cant get the bag to place in the game world

[worn lodge]

maybe a staticmodel issue?

or well

world

model

issue

[tranquil kindle]

If its custom sleeping bag that you place on ground as a tile? Maybe you lack the actual tile?

I have yet to test sleeping bags in b42, but mod in b41 made them placeable/buildable and they were tiles that allowed you to sleep like on bed

[stuck turtle]

im borrowing the tile of an existing one for now

[stark steppe]

Is there a guide available on how to add new UI elements? I know next to nothing about actual coding, like usual, I tried reverse engineering using other mods, but I can't make heads or tails of it, there are too many variables to track and too much terminology to make sense of. Also, documentation on how the file structure actually works, which files go where and why would also be a godsend. Thanks.

[bright fog]

Read the pinned messages

[stark steppe]

Excellent, thanks.

[glacial garnet]

i’ve got a terribly large mod idea, one issue: with what i have in mind i gotta wait until like, B45 lmao.
well, time to learn how to mod and build my skills for it until then.

[bright fog]

What's your idea ?

[glacial garnet]

i’ve noticed that people love mixing this game with fallout.
so i’d personally really love to try and make a total fallout overhaul once the NPC support is out on a stable build in like, a few years time.

granted this is one hell of a task and B47 will probably be out by the time i’m done, lol.
but i’d still love to do it regardless.

[bright fog]

You're not the first to work on something like that

[glacial garnet]

even then, sure as hell won’t be the first mod i make, i’ve got a few smaller, far more feasible ideas for a start

[bright fog]

@sonic needle is one of the modders I know about that worked on a bunch of Fallout stuff

[glacial garnet]

dope. yeah it’s because of people like them that i thought “screw it, i want to make zomboid into just, straight up sandbox fallout”

[sonic needle]

sup

ah, grand idea's are best lowered with realistic expectations.

Pick one thing, do that, then do another, etc,
works best this way

[glacial garnet]

yeaaaah. as is the way of life.

i’d totally build up a good deal of experience before even considering tackling this.

[sonic needle]

what experience do you have starting now?

[glacial garnet]

funny you should say that!
none.
but yeah no, i’m going to learn, do some mods of varying sizes and types for like, a few years for sure.

my only requirement is “vanilla NPCs must be readded” for any amount of work to start, because i’d like to use TIS’s framework as a basis so to speak.

[sonic needle]

solid goal, a framework to stand on, is better than meandering in the caves, so to speak

[glacial garnet]

yep, we’ve got the animal framework so that’ll be a relief for stuff.
i mean with some animals like brahmin i just really need to remodel the cow is all.

[sonic needle]

the issue isnt a remodel there, its Lua, surrounding it, The rest is alot easier now

[glacial garnet]

sounds about right.

[sonic needle]

pz has alot of issues with animations, loading them, xml layout, and more,

[glacial garnet]

so that’ll be the first hurdle then, i suppose?

[bronze yoke]

animal mods are actually pretty easy to make

[bright fog]

Just requires you to be able to animate 😅

[bronze yoke]

the initial panic about them when b42 first came out was just people making weird assumptions and then being disappointed when those assumptions weren't right

[glacial garnet]

fair lol

[sonic needle]

i do like assumptions, but why didnt the raccoons have sixty legs like it was foretold

[glacial garnet]

don’t give me ideas now

[bronze yoke]

been a while since i've played a fallout, a brahmin is just a two-headed cow right? you probably could get away with just adding a head to the cow model and not need to animate anything

[glacial garnet]

yeah, most i’d have to do is animate the second head and just change them up and make sure they don’t break upon the change

[sonic needle]

yep, would work fine, as canon wise, one is dumber, the other is the main

[glacial garnet]

now doing a new one from scratch?
yeah, entire different beast.

i’ll probably just borrow from sprinter code for something like a deathclaw

[tranquil kindle]

Is there specific rig for Animals to making their models/animations? Or is it all using Player's aramature?

[bright fog]

Someone commissionned to add a brahmin in the modding Discord if I remember right

[glacial garnet]

i know the old dog mod probably used the player armature.
we all saw that one clip.

i still shudder.

[bright fog]

It did

[tranquil kindle]

That i know of, but now i'm not sure if TIS provided anything and i just missed it

[bright fog]

No

[tranquil kindle]

😂

[sonic needle]

b42 will load, any new armature for animals, last i checked was the case

[tranquil kindle]

Why i am not surprised

[glacial garnet]

well with animals having their own framework it should work out much better than before, that’s certain.

[bright fog]

There's some limitations but the main challenge is that you need to animate every single movement of the custom animal, unless you manage to use existing armatures

[bronze yoke]

you can use any skeleton, as of b42 the skeleton is no longer hardcoded

[sonic needle]

existing armatures from other games should work though

[bronze yoke]

the one we're using for the horse mod is completely original

[sonic needle]

in theory, we could use fallouts actual netiverse armature

[glacial garnet]

luckily i don’t think i’ll need to be super detailed with the animations as i’d like for it to fit as close to the standard animation style of PZ.

fallout definitely wont be a first attempt at map making, i’ll be doing that with more vanilla assets and real world stuff first.

i’ve got scandinavia in mind, for sure.

[sonic needle]

are you going to map your home town

[bright fog]

Project Scandinavia

[bronze yoke]

don't be ridiculous. nobody's ever tried something that crazy before

[bright fog]

Damn

[sonic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/john-krasinski-jim-the-office-office-gif-15508780473272374119

[bright fog]

I mean, they did it lol

So it's doable

[glacial garnet]

if russia and france can be added i can add finland

[tranquil kindle]

Alone?

[bright fog]

You definitely need a team

I mean, depends on the scale of it

[glacial garnet]

i’ll look for assistance when (or if) i get to the point of active development, i don’t to be a fledging modder and go “hey guys can y’all help me with a project” and end up doing the bare minimum.

[bright fog]

Yea that's fair

Have something to show

[glacial garnet]

that’s like, my number one fear with collaborating

[sonic needle]

for me, i outlasted them all, even still

[glacial garnet]

not having something to show but not putting in the work due to inadequacy.

[sonic needle]

its an odd twist of fate, that you sit where i was once,
all i can say is, you CAN do what you wish to make eventually,

But you wont ever be able to make all of it,

[glacial garnet]

that’s fair i suppose.

[bronze yoke]

i was joking about the idea of making their home town, that's kind of every mapper's first project

[sonic needle]

its the Hubris trap, of mapping

[bright fog]

It do be a good way to get started with mapping I feel like

[sonic needle]

it is, gets you most of the way there, usually before grand idea's appear

[tranquil kindle]

Though you'll need to visit every house in your town to see how to make their interior. Better get good at picking the locks

[glacial garnet]

and the stores, and the transportation hubs, and the-

“your honor i broke into the entire strip mall because i needed to make a 1:1 map of the town in a game”

“yes, your honor, i was going to go for the houses next door.”

[sonic needle]

"yes its PZ, oh you play? " oh im free to go?"

🤝

[brave bone]

can someone confirm, when dismantling vehicles. It seems dismantling is instant , even without mods. is there a sandbox option for that in vanilla?

[bright fog]

Dismantling vehicles is a vanilla feature ?

Or you mean parts ?

[tranquil kindle]

Wreckages, it is

[brave bone]

wreckages yeah

[bright fog]

I don't remember it being instant

Did you active a debug mode cheat ?

[tranquil kindle]

Maybe you have debug mode instant action?

[brave bone]

i checked everything is in default.

oh lol im blind LOOL

[supple briar]

So regarding overwriting distribution, is there anything special you need to do to overwrite vanilla stuff?

[bright fog]

Not particularly, you can just directly modify the distribution table

Just make sure to do it properly

[supple briar]

Yeah see this is the issue, are there rules for how to do it properly?

I'm working on a gun mod in the background right now, and I want to modify both
-The loot tables for buildings and containers
-The guns that spawn on zombies

I have found both of the files for the basegame

but I don't know what I'd need to do to totally overwrite the vanilla loot table for them

[bright fog]

@tropic python think your easy distribution mod could implement more tools to manipulate the distribution ?

I feel like adding the ability to delete specific items might be a good addition

[bright fog]

You want to overwrite what exactly ?

Specific item spawns or the ENTIRE distribution ?

I would suppose that you basically just want to modify gun related loot ?

[supple briar]

Sorry I'm not really up to date on the proper lingo, so gonna explain this the best I can while being a total noob with coding.
My goal would be to take, for example, the attached weapons on zombies, and making sure that my custom distributions would overwrite the vanilla game ones. For example I would like to make sure I could stop the base game M16 from spawning on police zombies/locations.

[bright fog]

When it comes to loot spawning on zombies, I'm not familiar with it and always forget how it's even defined

As for loot spawning inside containers, you can iterate over the entire distribution and whenever you find the entry with the specific item ID, you can delete it from the distribution

It needs to be done properly tho and I can't explain in detail rn how it's done bcs I'll go sleep soon

[bright fog]

@silent zealot wrong stalker sorry*

[supple briar]

if I have the right file it's in lua/shared/definitions/AttachedWeaponsDefinitions.lua

the file covers both weapons sticking out of zombies, and weapons attached to zombies in holsters and such

so for example, lets say I want to change this code to make it so the rifle was replaced with a different one
AttachedWeaponDefinitions.assaultRifleArmyOnBack = { id = "assaultRifleArmyOnBack", chance = 50, outfit = {"ArmyCamoDesert", "ArmyCamoGreen"}, weaponLocation = {"Rifle On Back"}, bloodLocations = nil, addHoles = false, daySurvived = 0, weapons = { "Base.AssaultRifle", }, }

IDK how to do the code block thing, sorry

would having "AttachedWeaponDefinitions.assaultRifleArmyOnBack" over write the base game?

[bright fog]

Like I said I'm not familiar enough with how this works here

My guess is override the weapons table

I suggest you check out the wiki too, to learn about the modding structure and also to read about Lua

[sonic needle]

that there is, weapon attachement via 3d item on z

[silent zealot]

Yes, I even have a comment in the Lua file about adding a delete option but then never implemented it.

[silent zealot]

Never replace an entire file from the base game; that will cause countless problems. Any lua file you make needs a unique name to avoid this.

You can replace entire functions, but that's risky if things change or another mod wants to do the same so needs to be considered carefully.

You can prefix/postfix a function with extra code that they ns before/after it but leaves the original, that's pretty safe.

And in this case you're not wanting to replace code at all, you want to manipulate data that is in a Lua table.

A complicated table-full-of-tables, but still just basic Lua table stuff. Which is a confusing mess when you get started.

[silent zealot]

Yes, (making a few assumptions) you can just have a Lua file that redefined that specific table entry

You don't even need to overwrite the whole thing:

require "Definitions/AttachedWeaponDefinitions.lua"

AttachedWeaponDefinitions.assaultRifleArmyOnBack.weapons = {"Base.MyGun"}

Put that in a lua file in /media/lua/shared in your mod, it will run after the vanilla file loads (the require line makes 100% sure of this) and changes that specific value in the lua table to a new table with one entry: Base.MyGun

[supple briar]

I see

I hadn't planned on literally replacing the file, but good to know

[bronze yoke]

the require line does nothing, vanilla files always load before mod files

[silent zealot]

They help me rememeber which files I'm relying on, so that's important. 😛

[supple briar]

so if I were to add more guns the list, It would go
AttachedWeaponDefinitions.assaultRifleArmyOnBack.weapons = {"Base.MyGun"}
AttachedWeaponDefinitions.assaultRifleArmyOnBack.weapons = {"Base.MyGun2"}
and that would make it so only those two guns only spawn in the definition right?

[bronze yoke]

don't disagree with it stylistically, just nitpicking the idea that it does anything

[silent zealot]

If you do that you're setting AttachedWeaponDefinitions.assaultRifleArmyOnBack.weapons to a value, then immediatley setting it to something else.

You want to set it to a value that is a table with two entries:

AttachedWeaponDefinitions.assaultRifleArmyOnBack.weapons = {"Base.MyGun", "Base.MyGun2"} 

[supple briar]

Ah I see

does this same idea carry over to loot definitions? I.e how items spawn in rooms or is that different?

[silent zealot]

Yes, you could do it this way

But there are a lot of loot entries, a better way would be to write something that iterates through the table structure and finds matching ebntires and changes them

Like Sir Doggy mentioned, I should add "remove item" and "replace item" to Easy Distro instead of just having comments in the code to do that.

Since that already has a framework for iterating through the tables and matching items. (though I'm not sure i's working properly for vehicle loot)

[supple briar]

So what about adding to a loot table (spawn zone?) without replacing

[silent zealot]

Easiest way: EasyDistro.

Lets you use one line to add an item to loot tables by copying an existing item (with optional rarity modifier)

I made that when I wanted to add a gun to loot tables and it was going to be so much work to copy everything I needed to a file, when "anywhere pistols show up but 25% as likely" was what I wanted.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3487312010

Feel free to weigh in on the API vs. Library debate: which term is more correct, which term is the one people are more likely to think is correct when searching the workshop, and what torture is appropriate for suggesting Application API Interface Library? 😛

[supple briar]

So question, does this let me add items to certain loot pools, or is it just general?

like can I make it so my gun is only added to, say, hunting stores but not police stations?

[silent zealot]

Easy Distro is when you want to copy an existing item's distribution.

If you want to be more specific, you can do it the traditional way by manually adding it to specic locations

But if it's a hunting rifle, I'd just copy the distribution for Base.HuntingRifle

[supple briar]

So I was looking at rain's gun pack

[silent zealot]

Then it gets added to places where a Base.HuntingRifle can show up. That probably includes police stations but at a higher rarity than hunting lodges

[supple briar]

table.insert(AttachedWeaponDefinitions["shotgunPolice"].weapons, "Base.AR15")

[silent zealot]

Depends how much control you want over distribution

[supple briar]

this could work if I didn't want to replace guns, right?

[silent zealot]

yes, that takes the table AttachedWeaponDefinitions["shotgunPolice"].weapons

And adds a new entry to it

shoves it right in there

[supple briar]

I feel like I'm asking really basic questions that I would already know if just read a bit

[silent zealot]

It's really "how do I work with triple layered lua tables" which is a bit tricky to figure the syntax for

especially as there are multiple ways of doing it

[supple briar]

table.insert(ProceduralDistributions["list"]["GunStoreAmmunition"].items, "Base.762x39Carton");
table.insert(ProceduralDistributions["list"]["GunStoreAmmunition"].items, 0.1);
So, assuming I'm reading this right, the second line is weight, right?

still don't know how to make a code block

[silent zealot]

the 0.1?

[supple briar]

Yeah

[silent zealot]

will be some sort of probability, higher == more likely.

[silent zealot]

I suggest looking for a basic lua tutorial to work though - it's a simple language, but knowing the basics will help

AI like ChatGPT is really bad for zomboid questions but is pretty decent for Lua questions.

[supple briar]

Is there any particular place you recommend starting for tutorials or is it more a "just find what works for you"?

[silent zealot]

I don't know what is good - I got started by learning BASIC, but that is not a good way to do things.

It honestly wasn't a good way to get started in the 1900s either, it was just teh easiest way to find material for.

And a system to run it.

Useful Chat GPT example:

it won't be 100% correct, but stuff like this is usually pretty good.

You can also give it some code and ask it to explain.

Just don't ask it to write code for zomboid!

[supple briar]

I would but I think you need to pay or give a phone number to use chatgpt

and screw that

[silent zealot]

I don't pay (it's not useful enough!) and I think I just login using my google account.

[supple briar]

also the cap guns are funny

I need to find one in game

it gave me a very dumb idea

[silent zealot]

dumb ideas can make great mods.

Chocolate Milk From Brown Cows has my greatest popularity:effort ratio by far, given the mod is exactly one line of very simple code.

[supple briar]

I've had a few dumb ideas

like the M1 Garand, I want it to have chance that lowers with your reloading skill of giving you a hand scratch when reloading it

simulating Garand Thumb

(the injury not the youtuber)

[silent zealot]

Bleeding to death in combat is a bit harsh, but you can trigger pain and put muscle strain on the location to simulate a bruise. (assuming "bruised" is not already an injury type)

[supple briar]

Garand thumb does actually cut your finger a bit

and it's going to a less than 1% chance it happens even with 0 reloading

[silent zealot]

Sure, but in zomboid "scratch" means "you might bleed to death from this"

[supple briar]

Does it?

I swear leg scratches aren't that bad

[silent zealot]

Yeah, you might be able to adjust the intensity but a scratch is something bad enough to reduce overall condition from bleeding and need bandaging

[supple briar]

Thank god PZ doesn't have paper cuts then

[silent zealot]

minor thing like paper cuts just don't show up at all

[supple briar]

when I get working on that, I'll look into if scratches are always life threatening or if it depends on something else

would be funny way to die

"Failed reloading a M1 Garand so bad he died"

[silent zealot]

Not really, it would just annoy me

And I'd never use a mod with a tiny chance of random death

getPlayer():playerVoiceSound("PainFromGlassCut")

Play the pain noise, that will feel more fair if you have a silenced Garand and attract zombies by screaming in pain

[supple briar]

that plus a little muscle strain would work too I guess, maybe play a shorter ping sound

oh god I'm not dealing with suppressors yet

[silent zealot]

BTW> There's a sperate command to make a sound actually attach zombies

Are you modding for B41 or B42?

[supple briar]

I was thinking of making the ping have a low noise range

[supple briar]

B42

are they actually in B42?

I thought they were modded only

[silent zealot]

I suggest just using Rain's supressors

you can support them without making your mod require Rains, you can see that in the Survival Rifle mod

That mod also shows how you can make an existing attachment work for your gun, since your gun needs to be on the attachment's weapon list

[supple briar]

I might look into it, but I don't really like suppressors if I'm honest

at least in PZ

[silent zealot]

That's fine too

[supple briar]

feels like it kinda goes outside the whole "Kentucky 1993" idea

most of my gun list is big old 30-06 hunting rifles and crappy revolvers

[silent zealot]

Oil-can suppressors would be a thing

in a world with zombies that are attacted to sound

Like in The Walking Dead, they made spressors from plastic bottles then... just stopped using them, same as they covered tehmselves in zombies guts to hide once, wore football armor once, etc etc.

[supple briar]

So you made your mod compatible with rain's? that's why yours have suppressors

?

[silent zealot]

Personally I find "supressed pistol, no suppressed long arms" is a good balance for gameplay.

But depends a lot of settings and prefered play style

[silent zealot]

Yeah, I didn't want to make an entire firearms mod so I just use vanilla attachments and (if installed) Rains.

[supple briar]

My idea is a total gun overhaul

basically Brita's but using vanilla systems

[silent zealot]

I just wanted to make some interesting guns that fill a role different enough to what is already in the game.

Brita's overhauled so many things it's not really vanilla lol

[supple briar]

The Brita comparison is due to roster of firearms

[silent zealot]

Current firearms project: a shotgun that just smashes everything in a cone in front of it.

Currently working to reduce it a sane level (no 100% kill, not infinite zombie) but having issues so it may just be "kill everything"

But I got distracted trying to use the explosion code to send ragdolls flying lol

Then I'll made a model for the Russian KS-23 4 gauage shotgun and a way to make home-made ammo out of pipes, scrap metal and gunpowder.

Muscle strain from shooting: hell yes.

[supple briar]

That's a really cool idea

is gun powder in vanilla yet?

[silent zealot]

Yes, you cn dismantle bullets to get it.

1/10th of a jar per bullet

any calibre

[supple briar]

I didn't know you could do that

[silent zealot]

I found Brita's had too many redundant weapons. How may 5.56 mm assault rifles using STANAG magazines do you need, really?

[supple briar]

I'll have to account for that in the bullet bases I assume

[supple briar]

Man you are going to HATE my mod

I have like, 19 AR-15 variants alone

[silent zealot]

I know they are immensly common around the world.

HAHAHAHa

There are people who love that

[supple briar]

I am one of those people

[bronze yoke]

brita's is more for gun nerds than gameplay

[silent zealot]

And want to collect all 27 variatiosn of the M16

Totally fair, the great thing about mods is they are optional.

[bronze yoke]

argubaly vanilla already has several redundant weapons anyway, the gunplay mechanics aren't really complex enough to express much variation between weapons

[supple briar]

currently there are 280 guns on my list.

mostly handguns

because god there are a lot of handguns

and 5 hand grenades

[silent zealot]

How many weapons using an M4 lower reciever?

[supple briar]

don't forget the hand grenades

[supple briar]

hell let me check

[silent zealot]

I bet there are more than 280 of those alone lol

Not accounting for personal customizations

[supple briar]

23

I'm just doing stuff that could
-Reasonably exist in 1993 kentucky

there isn't a second point woops

a lot of these are going to share models

[silent zealot]

Have you made a list of what code features you will need for you mod? i.e. things you can't do with with just vanilla gun scripts

[supple briar]

Been working on that

I only have 2 features marked right now

I want to have some form of automatically ejecting clip for, at least, the M1 Garand. Need to learn lua.
Animations for Bullpups

that's it

viewing this a extreme "vanilla plus" project

[silent zealot]

Only one type of magazine per gun?

[supple briar]

oh god no

Oh wait

yes

sorry

got confused

[silent zealot]

hahah no worries

You can share magazines between guns

[supple briar]

if it was in base game I would do stuff like 10, 20, and 30 round STANAG mags

but I rather not fall into that unending pit of depth

[silent zealot]

You will need code if you want magazines to be visible on the gun only when there is a mag

[supple briar]

before long you're coding how to make a M249 take them and all that

[silent zealot]

in vanilla mags are a permanant part of the model

[supple briar]

Depending on how I feel about it I might look into that

but I find it a cool but unneeded detail

I have actually done some gun modding before

this is technically V2 of the project

[silent zealot]

I like it, especially for weapons with big obvious magazines.

[supple briar]

V1 died cold and alone when B42 came out

[silent zealot]

If you want to prepare for that, just make sure you keep your blender files so you can export the gun without a mag and the mag seperately.

Then if you do revisit it later you're not redoing everything from scratch.

[supple briar]

this is the only surviving image of V1 before it's violent death

[silent zealot]

I've been tempted to add a few .22LR weapons in a pack, because there are some interesting .22 gun but with the way damage works in zomboid and it would end up being a away to mildly annoy zombies 100 times while they walk up to you.

[supple briar]

adding those to my pack

[silent zealot]

Calico w/ 1980s laser sight

[supple briar]

god I love wacky 22s

[supple briar]

I do have a calico on the list

image stolen

[silent zealot]

this piece of junk... if you're going garand thumb then this should have a 5% chance to shoot your hand when you cock it.

[supple briar]

Sadly it's out of timeline

[silent zealot]

pfft.

[supple briar]

that was late 2000s early 2010s I think?

and I have a cut off of about 1995

for this pack

big plans later

[silent zealot]

I wouldn't stress too much about that, just add a "limit guns to 1993 and earier" option

[supple briar]

No, you must use the terrible post-ban AR-15s

and you will Like It.

[silent zealot]

Or make submods (multipel mods in one workshop upload) to seperate out the not-time-period-accurate guns

[supple briar]

oh god....I have another bad idea

Fixed mag AR-15s

the worst mod

Project Zomboid if it took place in California

[silent zealot]

You say post ban AR, I say pre-ban LMG

(I didn't make the model, it's CC Atribution from sketchfab and needs work to be useful in Zomboid)

[supple briar]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[silent zealot]

this is not "low poly" in zomboid terms 🙂

[supple briar]

Oh I know that modeller!

the sketch fab one

[silent zealot]

yeah

I need to learn more about materials in Blender to do the textures, make teh mag taller for teh 97 round version + reduce polycount, add a front sight...

[supple briar]

Does PZ use blender materials at all?

[silent zealot]

Nope

texture only

[supple briar]

also since I mentioned it, look upon ye mighty and despair at all 72 handguns

[silent zealot]

I can bake the material to a texture, but if I'm going to do that I'd rather replace the flat color with something more metal-like

[supple briar]

I need to make a list of all the new ammo I need too

because I think the final gun list will 100% pass 400 if not 500 just due to variants

[silent zealot]

And I will make life harder by flipping down the sights when it is work on the back.

[supple briar]

Honestly, and this is my opinion, I'd just make my own model

Tony's stuff is good, but I think all the work you'd need to do to make them work in PZ is more than just modelling it yourself

[silent zealot]

Don't be afraid to combine similar calibres, Zomboid does that already a lot (a battery is everything from AA to lantern cell for example)

[supple briar]

Afraid?

I want the pain

[silent zealot]

I used 5.56mm in the PR-57 instead of making 5,7mm.

hahaha

[supple briar]

I want a poor player to walk into a gunstore and find 4 different version of a hunting rifle using 4 different ammo types

[silent zealot]

it's also pain for the player when there are so many ammo types you can't find what you need

[supple briar]

and that's not even touching the "relic" guns

[silent zealot]

but.. some players ike it.

[supple briar]

That's why there will only be 3 types of shotgun ammo

12 gauge, 10 gauge, and 20 gauge

[silent zealot]

"only" 😛

what about 410 shotshells?

[supple briar]

I have my limits

410 gets rolled into 20 gauge

[silent zealot]

No revolver shotgun!

[supple briar]

It didn't exist in 1993 I think

and I don't like it

[silent zealot]

I thought you wanted the pain 😛

[silent zealot]

.410 was invented in 1857

[supple briar]

I meant the shotgun

also there will be like 6 different hunting only calibers

I am not cruel

[silent zealot]

Someone saying "What if we made a shotgun shell that fits in a .45 chamber?"

[supple briar]

only mad

I thought 410 was 44?

or was I wrong

[silent zealot]

Well... there are half a dozen thing you could call "44"

[supple briar]

true

[silent zealot]

The vanilla Base.Bullets44 are used in the legally-distinct-from-a-Desert-Eagle gun

[supple briar]

without looking it up, I think there are something like 6 different pistol ammo types (9mm, 45, 44, 380, 40s&w, 32)

not counting 22

I also kind of want to do blank guns that can be converted to functional

to replace the cap guns at the wild west town

[silent zealot]

So .44 Magnum. But Rain's also uses them as .. um... I think .44-40 Winchester. Or maybe .44 Remington.

[supple briar]

I don't plan on going into sub types of ammo

44 is 44

so it covers any 44-(whatever) ammo

[silent zealot]

yeah

[supple briar]

oh I forgot 357 as well

[silent zealot]

and .22 for .22LR and .22 high power necked rifle rounds

[supple briar]

The motto is "pain within reason"

[silent zealot]

"They're the same picture" meme

[supple briar]

I don't plan of doing many magazine fed guns with different ammo types

I want to reserve that pain for bolt actions without mags

[silent zealot]

I made the survival rifle use .223 and 5.56mm, but that's easier to do when you are only loading one round at a time.

[supple briar]

I had a plan for 223 and 5.56 where you can convert them like rains

but you convert the box not just the bullets

[silent zealot]

"convert .223 <-> 5.56" is a common feature in gun mods but takes time to change the bullets

[supple briar]

to save time

and I had this idea where you find "relic" ammo which you can convert into any of the rare ammo types

like what's used for the MAS 223

[silent zealot]

So I just skip that and change the weapon's bullet type to whatever is in your pockets when you reload.

[supple briar]

well no that 5.56

I have this idea for "rare and hard to find" guns that spawn in boxes with ammo and magazines

[silent zealot]

One way to do that is make a "Rare Gun Case" item that contains the gun, mags, ammo and add the case to the loot tables.

[supple briar]

that was the idea

so for example

(had to make sure the image didn't contain *certain * symbols)

[silent zealot]

It would help a lot when you finally get an AA-12 and there are no mags lol

[supple briar]

that was the idea

I don't want someone to find this uber rare gun, and then never find a mag

so uber rare guns can only spawn in a box with magazines

and ammo if they use a rare type

[silent zealot]

I did start work on a "Craftable Magazines" mod for Britas that let you do things like use a magazine/small metal sheet/screws to make an extended magazine.

Because I was sick of looking for the extended mags that were so much better than other mags

[supple briar]

part of my idea is having no weirdly unique mags

[silent zealot]

So you'll have "357 pistol magazine" etc?

[supple briar]

like Rain's has a 5.56 extended mag that only works on the Galil and nothing else

[supple briar]

It will break down by type

[silent zealot]

And the galil can only use that mag, because of Vanillas one gun -> one type of magazine.

[supple briar]

but the m1911 variants all use a 1911 mag

so the BARs will all use a BAR mag

etc

[supple briar]

the ability for multiple mag types per gun is right up there with armed vehicles for my biggest PZ wants

[silent zealot]

I've poked the gun/reloading code enough I think I could make a library for it.

• one ammo type only, none of this normal/HP/AP/etc stuff to manage
• automatically use the compatible mag with the most bullets, no player choice like britas adding another set of keybinds for mag type.

Have a "AddMagMapping(weapon, {table of mags})" function for modders to use.

Then it needs to hook the loading code where it checks for a magazine and where it selects which mag to use.

Would even work with Rain's "visible mag as attachments" if the extended mags had appropriate models made.

I'll put that on my to-do list.

[supple briar]

I want to try and keep my coding as low profile as possible so I don't plan on working on removable mags or magazines types out the gate

my first goal will be getting the M1 Garand clip working

[drifting ore]

Do you have the ping sound effect?

[supple briar]

I'll find one

[silent zealot]

That's why a library is useful, you make a gun and different sized mags, instead of having to code stuff you just use the library and one line to list what mags your guns can use.

[supple briar]

I haven't even modeled the M1 yet

[drifting ore]

I'd take the M14 model and work backwards off that.

[silent zealot]

And if it's kept simple it doesn't end up like Gunfighter, which AFAIK was only used by Britas

[silent zealot]

Base.M1 = Base.M14 - 13 done.

[supple briar]

in my head how the M1 script would work would be
-it checks if the M1 has a loaded mag
-It checks when the Mag reaches zero
-then it does the thing

gonna start watching lua tutorials tonight if I can keep my attention on them

[silent zealot]

Remember magazines are optional - you can just put single bullets in

[supple briar]

the M1 does use clips so I want to feature that

clips as in literal clips, not slang for magazines

[silent zealot]

Or you code it so if you hit reload and there are bullets in the gun those bullets are flung into the floor lol

[supple briar]

behold, a magazine

[silent zealot]

along with an empty stripper clip

[supple briar]

In real life if you reload a M1 before it's empty, it doesn't actually eject, it just pops out a bit and you take it out

gonna try and emulate that

[silent zealot]

Well that is boring.

[supple briar]

All of this is working to my end goal, of a map (challenge map?) set in 1944 France

[drifting ore]

🤣 Nah, I meant that if you pop the model into blender, you can chop off the magazine on the bottom and lengthen it a tad and it would look right.

[silent zealot]

Stipper clips would also be something that is feasible to craft - unlike mags which need more precision.

[supple briar]

The M1 and M14 are different enough that I'd make them separately

[silent zealot]

So instead of having to hunt for clips, the player bends small sheets of metal into clips and that gives teh gun a nice advantge which is not overly powerful.

They'd look the same at zomboid scale, other than the magazine.

[drifting ore]

I agree.

[silent zealot]

But the vanilla M14 model... lets just say there is scope for improvement

[supple briar]

My brain won't allow me any shortcuts like that

if I can find a way to do it, I would maybe make stripper clips a attachment that, when added, gives the gun that "reload all bullets at once" thing you mentioned before

[willow pendant]

Where can I find the functions or files that adds for example the police outfit clothing in the player creation menu in B41 ? Trying to make a character profession mod with some specific clothing available in the character creation...

[ancient grail]

ive done this
m1 garand
it auto ejects and the clip falls on the ground
with the sound and all that

the mod is uploaded by totallyinnocent
as part of his weapon pack

nvm i did the upload after all
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3015394773

[ancient grail]

ive also made the bullpup anims

couldnt find the other clips

[granite ginkgo]

If anybody has any idea why I can't enter my car, please let me know

[tranquil kindle]

I'd start by removing all colider boxes

Just leaving basic one

It feels like character is trying but can't get to place to sit

[granite ginkgo]

i thought of something similar

ill get on it

[tranquil kindle]

Speaking of vehicles, yours do have textures for damage/blood and display separetly?

[granite ginkgo]

yes, but i have a null texture as placeholder for now

also this is how it looks for areas

semms fine to me

[granite ginkgo]

yea, so i don't have any other coliderr boxes, only the default one, I wonder if it's a script related issue to seats, but i'm using a script from an older B42 mod that works

If ya want i can leave the script here if you want to throw a look over it

[worn lodge]

pain

[torn igloo]

How do you force sync client container to the server?

[vapid wagon]

Apologies if this sounds a rambling, but I was wondering if any one has any experience with audio .BANK files not working after being edited and rebuilt? No error message or anything, just no sound in the game

[bright fog]

I haven't personally rebuilt bank files

Best I've done is to extract the sounds

[vapid wagon]

It was something I did a couple of years ago and I wanted to see if I could update it for B42. Unfortunately when I rebuild it, it just doesn't work. Google of course offers no solutions. Or if it does then I'm just too tech illiterate that I don't understand it

[bright fog]

Did you make sure to use the new B42 bank files and not your old one ?

[vapid wagon]

I did. I replaced all the duplicate files and figured I'd test it before I go to the trouble of editing and creating new wavs. rebuilt it like I did last time, replaced it with the one in the games files and I just have no music in the game anymore

[bright fog]

I wouldn't be surprised if the system changed a bit since now we have even more dynamic music I believe ?

[silent zealot]

GOOD NEWS: I finally worked out a way to make double barrel shotguns fire both barrels at once.

BAD NEW: shotguns are so utterly shit right now that this means shooting into a tightly packed horde wounds two zombies instead of one.

[bright fog]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3512708849

Checked this out ?

I'm not too sure what it does tbf or how it works

[silent zealot]

Yes, on a quick look it has some similarity with what I am working on for teh KS-23 but it's also weird and I don't know what exactly it's doing

[vapid wagon]

True. But i just figured there would be more Wavs to edit and that was it. Files look exactly the same as far as i can tell

[bright fog]

Did you try to not modify anything and just repack the bank file ?

Perhaps it's the method you use to repack that is wrong

And not your modifications of its content

[tranquil kindle]

While i like current system better, some guns do feel underwhelming. with Aiming 3 i had to fire up to 5 rounds 308 to kill single zombie while aiming at its head

I use chance for damage, but still...

Shotguns should injure, but a single shot killing multiple zombies that are mostly killed by headshots shouldn't really be the case i belive

However a single shotgun shot Should kill a single zombie

At least*

[vapid wagon]

That's not a bad suggestion actually. I may just try that. Appreciate the Idea 👍

[bright fog]

Check pinned messages for the Unofficial modding Discord where you can send commission requests

[silent zealot]

There's a commissions channel on the PZ Modding Discord

If you want to have a go making the script yourself this channel can help.

[bright fog]

Pinned messages can also help you regarding that

[tame comet]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3517352021

[silent zealot]

Isn't that already in the game? Or is it only for dedug mode.

[tame comet]

Hey guys, this is my first mod for PZ, please, share your thoughts about it!

[tame comet]

For some reason only in debug

[silent zealot]

In that case, great mod.

[tame comet]

But I really enjoy this fancy map, so made that

[silent zealot]

Since the detailed view is now usable in 42.10, unlike earlier versions where it just lagged everything out

It's a very nice looking map, I'm so used to the default one by now though

[tame comet]

Totally agree. Still can't understand why this pyramid view is available only in debug mode

[silent zealot]

The detailed view was in B42 before 42.10, but it performed so badly I assume they kept it in debug only because it was not ready for general use. Now it is, but they forgot to add the button to non-debug mode.

Or they are waiting to make sure the new pyramid stuff does not have issues before enabling it.

[tame comet]

Do you mean this was in previous 42 versions? Yes, as it was available in b41, in debug mod, and it is really differs from pyramid view in 41 build. For some reason, I think TIS are going to make it in-vanilla feature when they implement layers for this view

[silent zealot]

Yeah, screenshot from 42.9: debug mode

Good pickup that it wasn't in normal mode, adding it there is a really nice mod for sane people that play the game normally.

[faint kestrel]

Working on a new mod for a stun baton melee, is there a data value for stun chance and or other damage types?

[bronze yoke]

stun??? what game have you been playing

[supple briar]

you could maybe emulate a stun by making it so when someone is hit with the baton, it gives them muscle strain or something

[rancid cargo]

bloodbath
Fear of Blood trait would get me dead here

[tranquil kindle]

I think i found the solution

[granite ginkgo]

¿¿¿

For now I changed to B41 to finish it, ofc it works without problems there

[tranquil kindle]

Hold on... now i reversed and it still works

I swear.... How did i fix it....

Hah. I moved Model offset and it somehow broke whole vehicle and gave me 130 errors

[tranquil kindle]

ITS THE MODEL OFFSET

THAT breaks it

[granite ginkgo]

Oh

So basically I need a high offset?

[tranquil kindle]

No... you need to have it at 0

Let me show you

I have no idea why it works like that....

[granite ginkgo]

Good thing you found out, I would have never💀

[tranquil kindle]

https://i.gyazo.com/1f78cac4e0267161045948c975d73907.mp4

(still wip mod)

[granite ginkgo]

Why does it even happen this way, cool mod btw

[tranquil kindle]

I have a feeling that someone made a mistake and made entry areas move with model offset

So technicly the seat entry is where you stand, but its "higher" and character just can't get there. Thats my theory

Or is below ground*

Wasn't there a option to "increase" radius of wheels? Like i do have big model, but feel like hitboxes are smaller

[supple briar]

There is

one sec

wheel FrontLeft
{
front = true,
offset = 0.5581 0.0620 1.0078,
radius = 0.25f,
width = 0.25f,
}

[tranquil kindle]

I did it in txt file because i see there is width/radius

[supple briar]

offset is dangerous

[tranquil kindle]

Yeah, i knew it was, but i swear in b41 you could do that in vehicle editor ingame

[supple briar]

I think using it how you did is going to break stuff

[tranquil kindle]

Thats the example

[supple briar]

I spent hours and hours trouble shooting issues caused by that

in my experience

[tranquil kindle]

The thing is... it works flawlessly in B41

[supple briar]

you always want the car body touching or even below the ground a bit

or else you can't enter it

[supple briar]

assuming you're making this for b42, though?

[tranquil kindle]

Yeah

Maybe i'll port it back to b41

But i'd rather focus on future

[supple briar]

make sure your body isn't above the blue line in the editor (or whatever line it is)

or else you can't get in

the tricky thing is that if you have already entered a car, you still can even if the bodies been moved to a point where it makes it impossible to get in

so set script on a different vehicle and check if you can get in it, if you can't lower the body

model offset is useful but quickly breaks stuff

[tranquil kindle]

I figured it out, i pinged Aero because i had the issue he had and found out what causes it.

Model offset SHOULD NOT break it, it literally is there to move displayed models, YET it does break

[supple briar]

B42 moment

I spent 3 hours with my nascar mod cause of that issue

[tranquil kindle]

I belive there was also option to set maximum angle you can turn steering wheels, right?

[supple briar]

I'm pretty sure?

I don't really know how it works though

i think it's "steeringclamp"?

but I could be wrong

[worn lodge]

@tranquil kindle help me out please

[bright fog]

Major changes

• Greatly cleaned up the main Modding page
• Moved some mapping resources from Modding to the Mapping page
• Greatly simplified Lua event
• Linked LuaDocs event list in Lua event

This only took me the entire fucking afternoon

Massive cleanup

And there's still some bits left here and there

[pastel wolf]

hooooooww does one go about making a weapon break?

ie like, breaking into a broken version of itself

another thing is i pick my weapon up and it just instantly drops to the ground, weird

okay yeah this is odd, my dude holds the paddle for a few seconds and just drops it automaticly

[worn lodge]

oh

[kindred dawn]

I’m trying to update my mod from B41 to B42.10 unstable, but for some reason, it’s causing car dashboards to not appear.

Anyone know what the problem is?

[pastel wolf]

okay i think i figured it out?

I create a call in the script for onbreak.oldcanoepadel and make a lua file for onbreak and in that have the head revolve as wood scrap and the handle resolve as the broken version of the weapon?

oookay mmaybe not, it seems to break into a large handle.. huh

I'm lost lmao

[kindred dawn]

Oh, my mod does not change any UI, and only adds in custom recipes and items. And nothing to do with cars that should make the dashboard disappear.

[kindred dawn]

Oh I need to change it to the B42 syntax

[silent zealot]

Do you want code to make a weapon break, or code that handles turning it into a broken version of the item when it does break?

[pastel wolf]

I made a broken version of the weapon, so I want it to break into the broken version, and then that broken version break into a handle

[silent zealot]

If you want to handle it when it breaks, look at the OnBreak = <function> section of the item script and media/lua/shared/Items/Onbreak.lua. That gives a handy framework, but technically you can execute any code you want when a weapon breaks.

If you want to extend OnBreak with a new function:

require "Items/OnBreak" --the vanilla code will always load first, but I still like to add this

function OnBreak.MyCoolWeapon(item, player)
    OnBreak.GroundHandler(item, player, "Base.Splinters")
    OnBreak.HandleHandler(item, player, "Base.MyCoolWeaponBroken", false)
end

Then OnBreak = OnBreak.MyCoolWeapon in the item

Same for the broken version to have it break even further

The GroundHandler/HandleHandler/HeadHandler are there to make your life easier, but are not required.

[pastel wolf]

function OnBreak.OldCanoePadel(item, player)
OnBreak.GroundHandler(item, player, "Base.Splinters")
OnBreak.HandleHandler(item, player, "ProfishingRod.OldCanoePadelBroken", true)
end

So like this?

or should i just change the true to false?

or is it because im missing that require line?

[silent zealot]

require "Items/OnBreak" --the vanilla code will always load first, but I still like to add this

function OnBreak.ThermiteLance(item, player)
    player:SetOnFire()
end

is perfectly valid.

[silent zealot]

Look at HandleHandler in OnBreak.lua and see what that parameter does

Is what you have not working?

The require line should not be required, but I like to include it as a best practice.

Is the ProfishingRod.OldCanoePadelBroken item in the game and working?

[pastel wolf]

it is!

but when breaking the wooden one it just turns into a broken large handle

[silent zealot]

Did you look at what the "true" does?

You're telling the fucntion you want the OldCanoePadelBroken to start broken

so presumably it then goes through it's own break code to become a handle

[pastel wolf]

ah! so then I should just make that FALSE and that should resolve it?

[silent zealot]

I expect so

But if not, work through what the code in OnBreak.HandleHandler is actually doing

[pastel wolf]

it worked!

perfectly in fact!

note to self dig through the documentation next time this happens!

Now to figure out how clothing works, I've got a cooler to make!

[rancid tendon]

https://pastebin.com/sDbziNhF

so i am once again at my wits end here

same problem i was having before that i never fixed

the problem i am having: i am making custom zombies that require items from spongie's clothing. some of them require a specific color of item that have multiple options, which means making a copy of that item that only uses one texture.

i am trying to do that. i did that successfully, over a year ago, with an existing item called the desperado coat. i am now trying to make a literally identical copy of that item whose sole difference is that it points to the brown texture instead of the black texture. however, copying the item invariably makes pz fucking crash EVEN THOUGH IT'S A NON-CONFLICTING NEAR-EXACT COPY OF A WORKING ITEM!!!!!

it's driving me INSANE

https://i.imgur.com/sEVDGWa.png

it's making me so angry because these are IDENTICAL ITEMS in EVERY way except for ids/guids

[tranquil kindle]

What i'm looking at

[worn lodge]

i got it fixed

turns out it was a chain of events

that caused all of that

ended up in me remaking my model

but its chill

[rancid tendon]

pinging you on this because you wanted to know and i'm only now getting back to this. this is a new version of the problem though, where previously i was copying another item from a mod that hadn't already been copied in the same way successfully, but now i'm copying my own working copy of an item from a mod and running into the same issue.

per your suggestion last time, i made a copy of the item using spongie's definition instead of my copied one--JacketLong_Random, and that works just fine. it's only using my own clothing definition that breaks it

but my clothing definition is exactly the same as the functional one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's making me so mad!!!!!

so i am:

• making an exact copy of an item in script, except changing out ids where necessary
• copying that item's clothing definition exactly as is except changing out the guid and file title
• adding the new guid and xml title to the guidtable
• and this results in a fucking crash??? related to models and bones somehow???

[pastel wolf]

three stages left before I publish this mod! Making the fishing rods use the proper model when actually fishing, loot tables and making this cooler actually show up as its model when you hold it and not the default cooler...

[rancid tendon]

i just now ran another test where i made the item that uses spongie's existing definition and that item worked just fine. so i took that item, copied the functional definition exactly, changed nothing else except to insert a new guid (didn't change the texture selection or anything), added that guid/name to the fileguidtable, and that's causing a crash. essentially renaming a completely functional item is all it takes. i feel like i'm taking crazy pills

[tranquil kindle]

Show the script

[silent zealot]

Also, the crash error

[rancid tendon]

i did show the script it's in that pastebin

[rancid tendon]

as is the crash error

[silent zealot]

yes, in your console.txt you normally get information that helps identify what happened to cause the crash

[rancid tendon]

yeah i'm telling you it's in that pastebin :p

https://pastebin.com/sDbziNhF

noteworthy: the actual manifestation of the crash is that it hangs right as the item would be rendered and prints this error infinitely over and over

[silent zealot]

Is that crash when using your model or sponmgies model?

[rancid tendon]

this crash occurs when using spongie's model, though it's notable to stress that another item in the mod uses the exact same model in the same way and doesn't crash

spongie's not my* oop

[silent zealot]

ClothingItem = JacketLong_DesperadoOPEN,

ClothingItem = JacketLong_OutlawOPEN,

What are the two clothing definitions

[rancid tendon]

to clarify:
spongie's original clothing definition for this item is JacketLong_Random(OPEN if applicable)

i copied this definition to create JacketLong_Desperado, which is the same but has a new GUID and points only to the Black texture instead of any of the 3 long jacket textures. this item works perfectly fine right now

i then copied JacketLong_Desperado to make JacketLong_Outlaw, which right now is literally identical except for a new guid and results in a crash

[silent zealot]

You changed the filename to JacketLong_Outlaw.xml?

[rancid tendon]

correct

[silent zealot]

Doublecheck it's not something like JacketLong_Outlaw.xml.txt and make sure teh file permissions are OK, path is correct

[rancid tendon]

here are the two xmls next to each other--one on the right works, one on the left doesn't

[silent zealot]

And the fileGuidTAble entries?

[rancid tendon]

properly set

... actually the jacketlong_desperadoopen one is wrong but

not relevant to our current bug since that's the one that's working currently lmao

[bronze yoke]

the guid in the filelist and the guid in the clothingitem don't technically have to match, since the game does not actually do anything with the guid in the clothingitem

[tranquil kindle]

Does

ClothingItemExtra = MFTEOTW.JacketLong_Desperado,

even exist?

If not, that throws an error

Its the problem when you partially past, something. If you have jacket that has extra option, paste that extra option too

[rancid tendon]

that does exist, yes

the pastebin only contained the two scripts for the open variants of these items to show the ways they differed, i didn't feel the need to post the closed versions as well since they're functionally the same

[tranquil kindle]

IF there is something wrong with item that is linked with ClothingItemExtra it will cause issues

[rancid tendon]

    {
        DisplayCategory = Clothing,
        Type = Clothing,
        DisplayName = Leather Jacket,
        ClothingItem = JacketLong_DesperadoOPEN,
        BodyLocation = Jacket,
        Icon = JacketLongBlack,
        BloodLocation = LongJacket,
        RunSpeedModifier = 0.93,
        CombatSpeedModifier = 0.97,
        BiteDefense = 20,
        ScratchDefense = 40,
        NeckProtectionModifier = 0.5,
        FabricType = Leather,
        Weight = 2,
        WorldStaticModel = JacketLong_Ground,
        ClothingItemExtra = MFTEOTW.JacketLong_Desperado,
        ClothingItemExtraOption = CloseJacket,
        clothingExtraSubmenu = OpenJacket,
    }
   item JacketLong_Desperado
    {
        DisplayCategory = Clothing,
        Type = Clothing,
        DisplayName = Leather Jacket,
        ClothingItem = JacketLong_Desperado,
        BodyLocation = Jacket,
        Icon = JacketLongBlack,
        BloodLocation = LongJacket,
        RunSpeedModifier = 0.93,
        CombatSpeedModifier = 0.97,
        BiteDefense = 20,
        ScratchDefense = 40,
        NeckProtectionModifier = 0.5,
        Insulation = 0.65,
        WindResistance = 0.35,
        FabricType = Leather,
        WaterResistance = 0.45,
        Weight = 2,
        WorldStaticModel = JacketLong_Ground,
        ClothingItemExtra = MFTEOTW.JacketLong_DesperadoOPEN,
        ClothingItemExtraOption = OpenJacket,
        clothingExtraSubmenu = CloseJacket,
    }```

[tranquil kindle]

So if you have that line and there is item that DOES NOT EXIST meaning the ID is wrong, on Rightclick it will cause error

[rancid tendon]

that item does exist lol

[tranquil kindle]

Well, i can't know it before because you posted it jut now

[rancid tendon]

that's what i was sayin here

[rancid tendon]

    {
        DisplayCategory = Clothing,
        Type = Clothing,
        DisplayName = Leather Jacket,
        ClothingItem = JacketLong_Outlaw,
        BodyLocation = Jacket,
        Icon = JacketLongBrown,
        BloodLocation = LongJacket,
        RunSpeedModifier = 0.93,
        CombatSpeedModifier = 0.97,
        BiteDefense = 20,
        ScratchDefense = 40,
        NeckProtectionModifier = 0.5,
        Insulation = 0.65,
        WindResistance = 0.35,
        FabricType = Leather,
        WaterResistance = 0.45,
        Weight = 2,
        WorldStaticModel = JacketLong_Ground,
        ClothingItemExtra = MFTEOTW.JacketLong_OutlawOPEN,
        ClothingItemExtraOption = OpenJacket,
        clothingExtraSubmenu = CloseJacket,
    }
    item JacketLong_OutlawOPEN
    {
        DisplayCategory = Clothing,
        Type = Clothing,
        DisplayName = Leather Jacket,
        ClothingItem = JacketLong_OutlawOPEN,
        BodyLocation = Jacket,
        Icon = JacketLongBrown,
        BloodLocation = LongJacket,
        RunSpeedModifier = 0.93,
        CombatSpeedModifier = 0.97,
        BiteDefense = 20,
        ScratchDefense = 40,
        NeckProtectionModifier = 0.5,
        FabricType = Leather,
        Weight = 2,
        WorldStaticModel = JacketLong_Ground,
        ClothingItemExtra = MFTEOTW.JacketLong_Outlaw,
        ClothingItemExtraOption = CloseJacket,
        clothingExtraSubmenu = OpenJacket,
    }```

but yeah here are the full scripts for both

the first pair of scripts works perfectly, second pair of scripts crashes

[tranquil kindle]

When does crash occours? When you load game/when you spawn item or when you right click one of versions?

[rancid tendon]

the second you equip the item when it would begin to render the item

it freezes the game and begins printing the error listed in that pastebin over and over

[tranquil kindle]

Can i see those clothing XML's?

[rancid tendon]

desperado xmls work, outlaw xmls don't

oop that's an old version of the guidtable hold on

there we go

[tranquil kindle]

Out of curiosity.... could you send me whole item script file? I want to check something

[rancid tendon]

(for context: this file contains a bunch of similar items that i'm copying for the purposes of being able to spawn them with specific texture selections and etc on zombies--as you can see i've done this a million times and it worked every time but this one lmao)

[tranquil kindle]

And its only Outlaw (very bottom one) that breaks?

[rancid tendon]

yup

[tranquil kindle]

And they all use same model?

[rancid tendon]

well not all these items--however, Outlaw uses the same model as does the Desperado coat, and the desperado coat works

[tranquil kindle]

Like open variant that works is used on both and same with closed one

[rancid tendon]

correct -- the desperado coat is a direct copy of JacketLong_Random from Spongie's mod, where it uses the same model but cuts the texture selection down from 3 options to 1. that version works just fine

then i copied that version and tried to make the same item again but with swapped guids/item ids (so that i could eventually change the texture selection from black to brown, but i didn't even change that) and it broke

[tranquil kindle]

I think i found it?

[rancid tendon]

oh?

[tranquil kindle]

First is that there is typo :JacketLong_RandomOPENR

[rancid tendon]

that's from the first GUIDtable that was outdated

[tranquil kindle]

Second that even tho its typo :JacketLong_RandomOPEN Does not exist in fileguid

[rancid tendon]

the second guidtable i sent that is current shouldn't' have that

[tranquil kindle]

Where is the new one?

[rancid tendon]

here

[rancid tendon]

ah consarnit that's also the wrong text file LMAO hold on--that's the one i was working with to try and test it using the original item definition (and then an identical copy of the item definition but with one letter and the guid changed)

this is the working version rn sorry about that

[tranquil kindle]

[rancid tendon]

I'M SOWWYYYYY i sent them both from the wrong folder and didn't notice

[tranquil kindle]

Okay, but are you sure you're not using the WRONG ones?

[rancid tendon]

i'm definitely sure about that lol, dw

i checked once i realized i sent the wrong txt but nah i just clicked the wrong shortcut

[hearty bronze]

how do i make a 3d model appear in the world? ive made a 3d model and want to tie it to a world object, but for soome reason it wont register in the game.
i have the model file and the .txt in 42 > media > models_X > WorldItems > Boxes

[tranquil kindle]

Is there a reason you add "MFTEOTW." before clothigitemextra?

You already have module, so i see no point.

[hearty bronze]

and the model txt file reads

{
    model SanitaryPad_Box
    {
        mesh = WorldItems/Boxes/SanitaryPadBox,
        scale = 1
    }
}```

[tranquil kindle]

You said the "desperado" one works and it has it too, but i'd just remove it

[tranquil kindle]

No texture

I know some vanila items that aren't clothes do not have Texture (not sure why, but i have theory)

But overall clothes get their texture from XML files, where WorldItems/weapons need to have texture assigned

[rancid tendon]

just uncertainty as to whether or not that was how it worked, i'll remove that but yeah i doubt that's the issue considering a working item has it :p

[hearty bronze]

thanks

[tranquil kindle]

I'm gonna be honest... right now i have no idea.

It's diffrent if i have the mod in front of me and can launch a game and see how its caused

[bronze yoke]

it doesn't check modules correctly iirc

[hearty bronze]

i hate talking to computers so bad man i thought making 3d models was just dropping them in 😭

for the world static model do i need to include the whole path of WorldItems/Boxes/x.fbx or is it just the model name

[tranquil kindle]

I think what you just posted sounds abut right

[pastel wolf]

containers... weh

[hearty bronze]

doesnt show up ingame sadly

my file directory for the 3d model is media > models_X > WorldItems > SanitaryPadBox.fbx

for the model text file its in scripts > clothing > SanitaryPadBox.txt

the file reads

module RedDays
{
    model SanitaryPadBox
    {
        mesh = WorldItems/SanitaryPadBox,
    texture = SanitaryPadBox
        scale = 1
    }
}

[tranquil kindle]

you miss comma

on texture

[hearty bronze]

thanks

[tranquil kindle]

And on scale

Since you're using scale = 1, just don't use it

[hearty bronze]

and in the items text file it reads

which i think is right

[tranquil kindle]

Yes

What, you don't do that

You use your model definition, there, in that case "SanitaryPadBox"

[hearty bronze]

sorry im a bit confused

what did i do wrong on thhat one

[tranquil kindle]

So you have model definition here

module RedDays
{
    model SanitaryPadBox
    {
        mesh = WorldItems/SanitaryPadBox,
    texture = SanitaryPadBox
        scale = 1
    }
}

Thats called model script, it gives your mesh and texture ID (in this case SanitaryPadBox because you did "model SanitaryPadBox"),
You use that in Itemscripts so if you want it as
WorldStaticModel you put

WorldStaticModel = SanitaryPadBox,

[hearty bronze]

oh so i remove the worlditems prefix from the itemscript?

[tranquil kindle]

Yes

[hearty bronze]

tysm, it appears now

well it doesnt its invisible but its actually replacing the 2d icon now

[tranquil kindle]

Then it means that either texture is in wrong place, or maybe your model has more than one material

Or its too small/too big

Or its origin point (of 3d model) is in wrong place and its there, but offscreen

[hearty bronze]

yeah my model has more than 1 material

it can only have one?

[tranquil kindle]

No more than one

Game doesn't really care about what kind of material it is, It wont display metalics/roughness. It just can't be more than one

[hearty bronze]

ah i usually divide up what i want to texture differently into different materials

[rancid cargo]

watuh vs water

[pastel wolf]

i'm using azakaela distribution tool

[worn lodge]

toofpick

[pastel wolf]

should I name my item ProFishingRod or item.ProFishingRod or whats the proper syntax here?

[tranquil kindle]

What is this tool?

[pastel wolf]

azakaela distribution tool

to write item distributions

[tranquil kindle]

Is it public?

[pastel wolf]

i just need to know how to like, make my stuff actually spawn in world and what my file should look like

yeah

[tranquil kindle]

Put module, so for example if you have Base then you do Base.ProFishingRod

No need for item.

[pastel wolf]

wouldn't it be ProFishingRod.ProFishingRod then? since its the script first, then the pointer to the item ProFishingRod in that file?

[tranquil kindle]

If you have module ProFishingRod, then it would be correct

[pastel wolf]

Okay! that does work, awesome

that's one problem solved, the things can actually spawn in world!

so that leaves 2 problems to solve, making the fishing rods not be invisible when i actually do catch a fish, and making the cooler show up when held

[tranquil kindle]

Anyone familiar how to make vehicle more durable? I'd thought setting FrontEndHealth and rearEndHealth to high number would change something, but apparently its the same if its 1 or 3000

@granite ginkgo Maybe you have any idea?

[granite ginkgo]

I only know about frontendhealth and rearendhealth, do you think that maybe changing the type to heavy duty can affect health, or it's simply the type