mod_development

[low shell]

change just h to d

[light cliff]

im currently making new texures for the item icons cause the ones i had were really crappy

[low shell]

well for me, I have 2 mods to update

[placid plover]

It would be cool if someone made a mod to make pz like a normal life expirence

[ornate sand]

Oh man, you didn't hear?
The Sims 4 is on Steam!

[placid plover]

Project zomboid is way more realistic it has an actual life alike feeling to it

[low shell]

[placid plover]

Sims is just moving persons and completing life tasks while getting maried and have kids

While a grim reaper comes to get u when u truly completed the npc life alike expirience 10/10

[low shell]

try the day one mod

[torn igloo]

That's not how game tick works here. Game tick is basically your FPS. If you zoom in, the number of game ticks the client can do will increase. If you zoom out, the number of game ticks drop. The only accurate way to get a average 1s is by getting actual time and do math from there. Many many modders have the same misunderstanding, they rate limit the ticks believing that certain amount of ticks is 1s.

Is not hard to test it either. Create some functions, tie it to a context menu for easy trigger. Use getTimestampMs() or getRealworldSecondsSinceLastUpdate(), whichever you prefer for your arithmetic. Start a tick event, count how many ticks, end that event after 1s. It will tell you the same value as your FPS.

Anyway, @bright fog was referring to my suggestion in https://discord.com/channels/136501320340209664/1318920979581501502

Because many many modders don't understand game ticks, they also tend to abuse it quite a fair bit. That simply not good, better to have legit 1s function for modders to use than to educate them about game ticks.

[ornate sand]

Some incredible patch notes in the Sims.
"-It is no longer possible to 'Try for Baby' with the Grim Reaper."
"-Kleptomaniac Sims can no longer steal Subway stations from lots."

[elfin cradle]

I Blame Kevin.

[placid plover]

I tried them all including week one pz has a life alike feeling its a shame it isnt a life based expirience without the zeds

I like pz the way it is

But it would be cool if they make a pz normal life expirience

[placid plover]

Pz patch notes:

• u dont get anything dumb fuck dont u know how hard making a game is get a job

[crisp fossil]

if the weapon's ConditionLowerChanceOneIn=20 that means for about 20 strikes it will lower the condition by 1? then if ConditionMax=15 then the total strikes to break is 20*15 = 300?

[ancient grail]

sorry i have no exp with b42 but if its b41 i can guide you

[elfin cradle]

Standard Blue Body Bag and Biohazard Body Bag. I think that may be enough work for one day. l8r, lads

[vast pier]

Sims will flee the building lot when a meteor is going to hit.
Unless it is a school, in which the Sims are not allowed to leave, and will always die.

Didn't wanna type it all out again

[ornate sand]

Sure. Can you hit fools with books yet?
Knowledge is power after all

[vast pier]

I was thinking about it, can't imagine the book would last very long though

I'm going through random household items n stuff.
Though, can items even be multiple things? Would changing it to a weapon not break it's functionality as a book?

Cuz type:weapon

I'm assuming books have their own type and aren't type:normal

[vast pier]

I say this like I don't fully intend to make it so whisks can be used for a few swings

[undone elbow]

I keep thinking about the mechanics of wet clothes. It shouldn't dry in seconds, but at least in game hours.

[vast pier]

Do they not?

[bright fog]

I mean yeah, it could import with wrong proportions, but the problem is that in Blender the PZ models are literally in milimeters, which means PZ uses wrong proportions by default. You literally need to export your model while it is in the milimeters for it to be in proportion

Importing another model yea sure it could import in mm or m but here the problem is fucking proportions when exporting lol

So that's normalized

Unless your software is dogshit

(which let's be honest, fucking fragmotion is )

[light cliff]

holy crap my new icons looks so good

[bright fog]

👀

[light cliff]

i gotta fix one before i show it off its not transparent LOL

[bright fog]

You're right, it's not constant I forgot about that part. Tho if your goal is to run actions less often, why do you need such an exact one second timer ?

Also you can probably use GameTime.getServerTime() to detect whenever a second passed

[light cliff]

i love it

[bright fog]

Nice !

[light cliff]

thank you so much its my first time doing textures

[bright fog]

Looks good yea

I personally haven't tried yet to make icon textures

[drifting ore]

baller

[frank elbow]

I meant to mention this when I noticed it yesterday: haven't seen anyone talk about the new Array utility class we have access to

It's essentially an interface for operations on raw Java arrays (not ArrayLists, arrays. e.g., string[]). This means we can actually use array return values now, and pass them to some Java methods—still can't pass arrays that aren't Object[] as far as I could see from a quick look

Props to whichever dev threw that in there, I'm sure it'll be helpful

[undone elbow]

Okay, it takes 5 ingame hours to dry a piece of clothing. Now I think that it may be not only water...

Let's say it may be juice or milk

[bright fog]

Can you give an example ? I'm not sure to understand

[frank elbow]

Unfortunately I'm not at my home computer to be able to actually reference it, so this will be loose based on memory.

local arr = Array.new(1) -- creates a Java array wrapper
arr:add("hello world")  -- adds an element
someJavaFunctionThatExpectsAnObjectArray(arr:toArray())

You can also wrap array return values, regardless of type. So, for example, if you wanted to access the return value of the values method on an enum for whatever reason (contrived example below since you can just use index or whatever it's called):

local values = BodyPartType.values()
local arr = Array.new(values)
print(arr)

-- loop through using `size` and `get`, I believe they're called

@bright fog ^. Looking at the actual decompiled class would prob be clearer

[sly monolith]

good job, tho is it me or do they seem a bit flat

Guys is it safe for a save file to change names of the .xml files of clothes? And like everywhere else, I had something with "red" in name, but I added more colors so the name doesn't make any sense now.
Also unrelated, how do I add a quality preview picture to a steam workshop mod, instead of this 256x256 sh!t?

[ornate sand]

Upload it as hidden and change them pics to whatevs you want, then make it public

Also I'm not sure but maybe the poster.png can be better than 256?

[sly monolith]

yea i'm talking about the poster image, in game it asks for 256x256, tho idk where to change that on steam

[ornate sand]

yeah the preview.png does have to be 256 but do the poster.pngs too?

[sly monolith]

oh preview not poster yea *

but like, i see all those other mods with good quality preview images, and mine is ass

[ornate sand]

Is it so that the preview.png is just the one on the right side of the worshop item's page?
Because the rolling picture slideshow can be pretty much anything. I think mine are 700x400 there cos they're ingame screenshots

[sly monolith]

i mean those

[ornate sand]

Ah

Go to ChatGPT, slap your preview.png on there and tell it "maek dis gooder pls"

[sly monolith]

heh

ok thx

[ornate sand]

Or show us your preview.png and we can see if we should cheerlead you or burn you at the stake

[sly monolith]

no way

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-shy-anime-girl-blush-gif-26509030

[bronze yoke]

just to be sure, is this all tested? not to cast doubt but you could theoretically do some of the stuff here in b41 with an ArrayList and it ultimately just didn't work for no particular reason - my assumption was that kahlua simply could not pass an array as an argument/return even directly to a function expecting one

otherwise there is something quite silly i can do that was entirely bottlenecked by this that i'm excited to try again

[ancient grail]

corerct me if im wrong but theres no function that allows us to modify a weapon instance and toggle this on and off right

TwoHandWeapon = TRUE,

[tacit pebble]

Hello, quick question. I accidently turned on this 3D line(?) feature and i have no idea how to turn off. :/ anyone has idea?
I remember I clicked Animation Viewer to see some anims and this turned on.
I even can't search because i don't know its name

[frank elbow]

I tested yesterday with the enum example and it worked, but I haven't tested passing an object array—I did test passing a non-object array and confirmed that it still doesn't work, though

[bronze yoke]

b42 recipes do not have this feature yet

[ancient grail]

remove the wireframe

[tacit pebble]

Thanks 🙂 have a good day bro

[ancient grail]

[bronze yoke]

alright that's promising, i'll try it out when i get a chance - i needed an object array anyway

[frank elbow]

Let us know how it goes if you beat me to it; I might poke around at it a bit more later

[bronze yoke]

the fact that you can pass it into the array constructor should indicate that it'd work anyway

[frank elbow]

Theory lures us in so practice can gut punch us (but that's true, so hopefully this is true in both theory and practice)

[torn igloo]

Because FPS aka frames per second....per second.......

[bronze yoke]

i'd like to see a proper api for running functions at different specified timings over stacking on another event that will still not fit everyone's usecases

[torn igloo]

You can go ahead to make that request for a flexible timer event function.

[warm vector]

Does anyone know if it possible to create a mod that makes a day length in PZ to 1 hour and 30 minutes?
I hate playing on 1 hour length, but 2 hour length seems too long 😦

[sly monolith]

i play on 3h 😂

[tranquil kindle]

I see mine in bottom right and i literally took screenshot next to a window...

But i guess you mean first 6 mods*

[sly monolith]

yea i mean the ones that look like they are at least 1024x1024 or smh heh

[tranquil kindle]

Make sure your preview has no "anime" in it and youre golden. There seem to be dislike of anime content

[sly monolith]

pff, no anime is a crime

[tranquil kindle]

Maybe not dislike, but more like there are less people intrested in that.

People want MOAR Military gear.

[sly monolith]

yeah my mods don't cater to that part of the community 😂

[tranquil kindle]

Whats your mod about anyway?

[sly monolith]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3402469704

project bimbo as someone called it in comments lmao

[tranquil kindle]

You use custom player texture, right? Whats it called

[sly monolith]

this one: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3400606856&searchtext=

i just pasted tattoos on it and made it a bit more saturated or smh

[ornate sand]

Make an anime military content pack, boom. Gold

[tranquil kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/231-gif-25095509

[ornate sand]

Feel free to use my M249 or M60, or if I may be so bold, my AA-12 Automatic Combat Shotgun for your preview.png

[tranquil kindle]

I kinda wanna make myself custom Ash-12...

Love that weapon in tarkov for some reason

[old ginkgo]

People want good military gear.

So much of it is kinda'..meh..And in reality; you know what I really want?

Good male clothing. Where's my decent flannel jackets?? Turtlenecks??

I want them 3d popped collars smh.

[ornate sand]

It's a cool weapon but unfortunately for PZ a time-breaker 😦

[tranquil kindle]

What exacly is "good" military gear. Stats? Detailed model/ texture?

[old ginkgo]

Decent detailed texture; I'd say Brita's is one of the few that has detailed textures but it almost goes too far. Something more low-key but well made like KATTAJ.

[tranquil kindle]

There are 2 camps, ULTRA hd 4k enjoyers, then there are vanila like enjoyers.

[old ginkgo]

I want that nice inbetween of those camps.

Britas goes too hard on it, imo.

[sly monolith]

come on you gotta go all the way in, no half measures

[old ginkgo]

For my tastes, at least.

[ornate sand]

I'll just say this.
When Arsenal[26] climbs the mountain of updating all of the code required for B42, I'll be playing with Arsenal+Brita's for a hot minute.

[tranquil kindle]

I belive recent "Vanilla Gear Expanded" does a really good job at it.

[light cliff]

my recipe shows up but not in the craft menu dangit

[old ginkgo]

Yesss; that one is more along the lines of how I like it.

[ornate sand]

Did you use the B42 craftRecipe thingie? Did you give it a category?

[light cliff]

this is currently how it looks

how do i make ita text display on discord?

[ornate sand]

Does the category exist in base PZ?

[ornate sand]

code in here

Oh whoops

[tranquil kindle]

I've stopped using brita armor/weapons. Those mods DO look Incredible, but as some people say, its "too much" + I hate the thing about Brita backpacks being the same 38capacity and same reduction.

[ornate sand]

Triple backspace or whatevs, code, triple backspace

[tranquil kindle]

codehere*

Or without lua*

[light cliff]

module Base
{
    craftRecipe RollAJoint
    {
        timedAction = Making,
        Time = 30,
        Tags = InHandCraft
        category = Miscellaneous,

        inputs
        {
            item 1 [ProjectZaZa.CannabisFlower],
            item 1 [ProjectZaZa.RastaRollingPapers],
        }

        outputs
        {
            item 1 ProjectZaZa.CannabisJoint, // Produces one CannabisJoint
        }
    }
}

should my module be ProjectZaZa how i have it for my items.txt?

[tranquil kindle]

No "," on tags.

[old ginkgo]

The issue is Brita's is so high texture, and there has been no other mod that goes as far as they do in their art-style. So if you're using it, you can't really efficiently mix/match clothing between their mod and others.

I will say I enjoy the gunmod more than their clothing mod tbh.

[elfin cradle]

It's a perspective thing, the other bodybags could fit inside the medical ones.. They also don't hug as tightly to the corpse so it's harder to tell what's in there. And I can sadly confirm from my time as a cop: It's accurate.

[ornate sand]

I love me Hyzo's Firearms models too. My guns are literally a bunch of cubes and cylinders that I toss at some textures

[light cliff]

oh and i bet those comments shouldnt be there huh

[light cliff]

thanks i didnt catch that

[old ginkgo]

That isn't how you comment out in .txt's, yeah.

[light cliff]

yeah its usually -- in lua

[sly monolith]

i see, just imo it would look better if it hugged the body, but don't mind me

[tranquil kindle]

IIRC brita does 1k texture for shoes alone

[old ginkgo]

Yep, and 2k for quite a lot of their clothes.

[ornate sand]

Yeah I think Brita is an actual professional 3d modeler

Just like Arsenal[26] is a goddamn White Wizard

[old ginkgo]

They are; but it's extremely bad practice for Zomboid since oversized textures can cause some memory leaks.

[tranquil kindle]

Thats great for them and as i said i really love how it turns out. But it feels too much.

[ornate sand]

Well my 3d models suck ass and use textures made with MSPaint 🙂 Give 'em a try lol

[old ginkgo]

He's good but Brita's has a lot of issues. It overwrites a lot of Vanilla functionality which is why nearly every mod has conflicts with Brita's even if it doesn't touch guns.

So it becomes a kind of plague/meme amongst other modders that Brita's is the bane of the workshop in some ways.

[tranquil kindle]

Exacly

[ornate sand]

I don't think that's a Brita's issue though, it's the Gunfighter mod right?

[old ginkgo]

It is; but they're one and the same, essentially. Due to the requirement.

[light cliff]

@tranquil kindle it works!

[tranquil kindle]

I tried to use my gunmod once with Brita/arsenal to see what would happend. My guns did not spawn, though i added them into distribution files. Guns fired ALOT slower and had no sounds...

[ornate sand]

the slow firerate is due to the AnimSets... That I'm STILL waiting to get fixed so my machine guns fire like gosh darn machine guns

[tranquil kindle]

I used custom one

[ornate sand]

And still? Okay
I knew that gun mods were always gonna be incompatible by their very definition but added guns should work together

[old ginkgo]

Just combine forces and make a giant super-mod for firearms and become the next Arsenal Gunfighters/Brita's that you want to see in the world.

[ornate sand]

Let's go Nik

Anime gun mod

[tranquil kindle]

I feel like 90% of gun mods are conflicting Only due Attachment system.

[ornate sand]

You can animate the spinrack for my lever action sawnoff Winchester 1887, and that'll already draw the subscribers in

[old ginkgo]

The attachment system is just a table, right? Couldn't they work together?

Although I guess you'd need a standardized tagging system for every modded firearm to work interchangably, wouldn't you.

[ornate sand]

I suppose you could lua in a way to make attachments work together on a .txt basis, and to insert/modify their upgrade tables

[tranquil kindle]

If modder A makes attachment with "mount on" on certain guns, then someone else needs to edit it but every attempt at me editing it failed. I tried albion's way of doing it with Starlit library, but got errors from it.

[old ginkgo]

I know Ash wanted to make a firearm framework to synchronize firearms across mods to work together and play nicely.

Something like that definetly needs to exist for firearms tbh.

[ornate sand]

Absolutely

[tranquil kindle]

Thing is, for guns the export settings, how you set up your gun and scales/rotation (from my experience) plays huge role. I can't count how many times i've seen people struggling with attachment not showing or being too big/ small, not lined up

So its kinda hard to make something "standard"

[ornate sand]

We just need one basic framework, just like those that exist for Traits

[tranquil kindle]

But you don't really see mods that override other mods traits, do you?

But in terms of guns, thats what would happend.

[old ginkgo]

That's where making it a standardized framework with 'guidelines' to follow would help. It would require communication and effort amongst the individual modders, a project essentially.

[lapis moth]

don't worry

we are making a better gun mod then brita

Bro made a rotating Gatling machine gun today

[tranquil kindle]

The best way would be to allow all attachments to be mounted for guns that have certain tag, so if gun has tag "handgun" for example, it will be able to equip all "handgun" attachments, you could create more tags(maybe revolvers too for diffrent set). Thats all. Then you have person who makes gun with their model they can make so if person equips "scopex2" It will use X attachment point (added in attachment editor) and use Y model (you specify it in itemscript of your gun)

[ornate sand]

And have everyone follow some simple model rules

[tranquil kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[old ginkgo]

Honestly after my fluid mod I'd be willing to help with the logistical side of a firearm's mod and possibly with minor code/animations. I'm not exactly a great 3d modeller or texturer, and I've barely even looked at the firearm/weapons/combat side of Zomboid, but I could help with the organization to some degree.

[ornate sand]

Oh right, aren't Brita's models .X?

[tranquil kindle]

Yeah

[old ginkgo]

I'm basically making the Fluid equivalent of a framework mod so how hard could a Firearm one be

[ornate sand]

Fuuu~

[tranquil kindle]

so are b41. but X models can be seen on FBX guns so thats not a problem

[ornate sand]

Us Blender poors deserve respect

[ornate sand]

Well make it then 😏

[lapis moth]

We are making a firearm framework with many features, which should be released soon

[ornate sand]

orly?

[lapis moth]

what is that?

[tranquil kindle]

I'm kinda tired of making gunmods... I'll be updating my TLOG gun mod and thats it i guess

[ornate sand]

orly roughly translates from internet to English as = "Oh, really?"

[tranquil kindle]

https://i.gyazo.com/73fea35692e3a49a3a7b535d6205341e.mp4 You can use this one if you want

[lapis moth]

I don't understand many abbreviations, but I will learn them

[ornate sand]

zomg, I will with this permission

[lapis moth]

we made things like this more easy to achieve

[tranquil kindle]

Actual lever moving not included

[ornate sand]

Who gives a rat's ass

[lapis moth]

just write a table and it will work

[sly monolith]

can someone please answer this 1st question for me, pretty please

[ornate sand]

test it locally u silly sod

[tranquil kindle]

It is, just remember to update them in Fileguid aswell as in clothing item scripts

[sly monolith]

i mean, it works for me, but idk if it's not causing some errors in the background or smh, i know nothing about how all that magic behind the scenes work

[ornate sand]

Where can I find this awesomeness?

[tranquil kindle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3302729836

I can send you files directly

[sly monolith]

aight thanks !

[lapis moth]

https://youtu.be/JGizZoJ_hbE
ASH will do more things like this

[tranquil kindle]

Why is muzzle on laser?

[lapis moth]

don't care about that

[tranquil kindle]

I like that, but how will it also work on MP?

[ornate sand]

If you can animate this with a prop, I will give you approximately 1.25 monies (maybe)

[lapis moth]

just for test

[lapis moth]

yes

[tranquil kindle]

Now you got me

[tranquil kindle]

Could be done, yeah

[ornate sand]

❤️

[lapis moth]

The framework is a community project, and we hope to defeat Brita

[ornate sand]

Antagonistic competition in PZ gun modding?

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[lapis moth]

The first release should include Ash's gun pack and my gun pack

about 100 guns above

[ornate sand]

You absolutely rock my socks dude/dudette, and I will put public credits on my mod's description 🙂

[tranquil kindle]

<m_AnimName>Bob_Reload_Lever_RackAimTLOG</m_AnimName> For aiming animname for XML

<m_AnimName>Bob_Reload_Lever_RackTLOG</m_AnimName> For non Aiming.

[tranquil kindle]

That feels a bit too much in my opinion.

[lapis moth]

You can choose which gun packs to use, the main structure is the frame, and everything else is optional, just like true music and its add ons

[ornate sand]

One of the main reasons we decided on Vanilla Firearms Expansion over Arsenal/Brita's for our server was this.
They're both awesome and very well scripted, but it's a hassle and a half to get Arsenal to spawn only what you want it to, while VFE is well balanced by its nature

[ornate sand]

This is starting to sound extra rad

[tranquil kindle]

Great to hear it

[lapis moth]

We like everyone to be able to make their own high-quality firearms

[ornate sand]

My firearms are very high quality, it's just that the models are stone-age and I barely understand textures.
Am I welcome in this club?

[ornate sand]

1.25 monies then

[lapis moth]

we didn't have a own channel ,yet

i will ask ASH

[bright fog]

That really doesn't mean anything lol

Why 1 second, and no 0.1 or 0.5 or 0.2 or 0.8 ?

Why do YOU specifically need 1 second

[bright fog]

Not sure to understand the applications

[frank elbow]

It's not too common that you find yourself needing to mess with a raw Java array so that's fair, but there are a few places that return them

Pretty much anywhere that's the case would benefit from the new class

[bronze yoke]

was just about to ping, since you're here: it does look like it works - at the very least you can pass the result of Array#toArray() to an Array constructor or its static methods and it will work as expected

i couldn't find other functions that take non-primitive array arguments to test it against though

[frank elbow]

Nice. I wonder if this means readers can be used with more than readLine now—I don't remember their interface perfectly & maybe not since I think I'm thinking of a byte array

[bright fog]

Tbf I'm mostly confused at what it even is. It's to create a new array right ?

[frank elbow]

Yes, but a wrapper for a Java array. This is distinct from an ArrayList or a Lua table

[bright fog]

Bcs the way you put it makes me confused if that's what it just is

[frank elbow]

We haven't had access to Java arrays in the past, so anywhere that used them was rendered p much unusable from Lua

[bronze yoke]

i'm pretty sure you are supposed to be able to pass other Class[] with toArray(Class<V> var1) and the constructors that create them with class arguments, but primitives aren't classes so we can't use them for that and unfortunately i couldn't find methods that take class arrays

it notably does not seem to work with methods that take variable arguments, even though to my understanding they should be seen as mostly the same by the jvm

[bright fog]

Like you can use it for cases where you need to pass an empty array to a java method ?

[bronze yoke]

which was what i needed it for potentially ArrayList#toArray did actually work in b41, since that's what i tested it against as well

[frank elbow]

By variable arguments do you mean overloads, or variadic?

[frank elbow]

Or a populated array

[bronze yoke]

variadic, like Object...

it was my understanding that that basically compiles to Object[] anyway but it doesn't seem to like it

[frank elbow]

Odd that that's not handled. Maybe that explains why the devs so frequently do the arg1, arg2, arg3 (and so on) thing 🤔

[bright fog]

Uh, just an argument of a method

[bronze yoke]

i'm wondering if it's something more complex going on with the specific function because i noticed there is a variadic function in the global object now and you can call that without using an array (and infact an array suffers the same error)

[bright fog]

I'm not knowledgeable on the technical aspects of Java tbf

[frank elbow]

That was @ Albion; response to you was yeah + populated array

[bright fog]

Ah sry right

I see yea

[frank elbow]

What's the function, if you don't mind my asking? I'm curious

[bronze yoke]

i believe it has security implications so i don't want to specify exactly what i'm doing

[frank elbow]

I'm wondering why an unpack wouldn't suffice for that but presumably I'm missing something like Kahlua's reflection not handling it

Ah, fair

[bronze yoke]

yeah, i tried just passing the args raw but it doesn't like that either

[weary matrix]

any clue what to do with this? 😅

LOG  : Lua          f:1125, t:1736530670800>

[tranquil kindle]

https://i.gyazo.com/b43909c708e079f80154ade0d4a1564a.mp4 Not done, but overall idea. My gun model is too long though.

[low shell]

Tried drawing spiffo and then realized Im doing it in lowest quality from start

[ornate sand]

It's also in reverse but I will already get ready to accept your proposal

[tranquil kindle]

Isnt he rotating it barrel down forward?

On video*

[ornate sand]

Obviously spinning upward because push hand forward and rack & spin like a coolguy

[sly monolith]

you gotta add that part where it opens like here

[tranquil kindle]

I made it just for laughs and to unrust myself, but will try make it better.

[ornate sand]

You rock either way 🙂

[undone elbow]

Why would someone create a Java array and use toArray if all the mod's logic is on the Lua side?

[weary matrix]

Anyone knows how to apply a recipe programmatically in B42? For example I want to apply this recipe: Recipe_OpenBox100 = "Open Box (100 Items)"

[bronze yoke]

they would not

the use case would be when you need to interact with java api that requires/passes an array

for lua mods tables will always be the most efficient way to store data by far, the overhead on using objects is way too high for anything else to matter

[atomic hare]

Is it possible to make the watering can water more than one tile at the time?

[bright fog]

that's an empty print

print("")

Or possibly another print with a line break "\n"

[quiet fulcrum]

whats the lua for checking if a mod with ExampleId is active?

[weary matrix]

thx, I thought it was some kind of error or something

[atomic hare]

Another question, i want to make a "simple" mod that makes the watering can use less water to max water a planted tile. Is that possible?

[bronze yoke]

getActivatedMods():contains("\\ExampleId")

in build 41 you don't need the \\

[torn igloo]

At this point it is becoming ungenuine. Can you be upfront about what are you unhappy with the suggestion?

[quiet fulcrum]

thanks, does this mean in B42 you need the \ or was that for previous builds

[bronze yoke]

yeah, it's new in b42

[quiet fulcrum]

ok and just to clarify further, it's not needed in b41 but can still be used or should only be used in b42?

[bronze yoke]

it will not work in b41

[frank elbow]

I feel like I'm either missing something obvious or the answer will be silly, but why does this work if the IDs are workshop ID + "\\" + modId?

[bronze yoke]

because the workshop id does not get added 🤷‍♀️

[frank elbow]

It was option B

[bronze yoke]

it's clearly supposed to, but it doesn't

the game seems to fail to get mod workshop ids entirely now, you can't see them on the mod list anymore even though there's a box for it

[frank elbow]

I made my pattern matching optionally look for a number instead of requiring one, so at least what I wrote isn't broken 🙃

[bronze yoke]

yeah, i wrote something similar early on

most likely every mod with a dependency breaks next patch when they fix that

[old ginkgo]

Bear with my ignorance for a moment and my potentially asking a stupid question but I've been having an issue with getModFileWriter/Reader lately, specifically only for B42 for my .json I use for storing Favorites.

Would this cause an issue since getModFileWriter uses the modID as one of the arguements?

[bronze yoke]

yeah

[old ginkgo]

[bronze yoke]

"\\ExampleId" is the mod id for all contexts now

[old ginkgo]

reeee

[bronze yoke]

(well it's \ExampleId but you need the second one to escape the slash)

[frank elbow]

Since they're presumably gonna fix it, it seems worth recommending the future-proof approach, no? For the earlier question of checking for a mod being enabled, I mean

(well, as future-proof as we can be anyway)

[old ginkgo]

That sure did fix it. Well, that's one thing out of the way for now at least.

[bronze yoke]

yeah for checking enabled i can drop a function for it, for requires and stuff you're out of luck though since they aren't scriptable

i used this:```lua
local activatedMods = {}

local mods = getActivatedMods()
for i = 0, mods:size() - 1 do
local shortId = string.match(mods:get(i), "\(.+)$")
activatedMods[shortId] = true
end
```the usage is just checking if activatedMods["ExampleId"] then

[old ginkgo]

I've never had a steam workshop upload fail before but I just had one, lmao.

I just did it again and it worked.

[bronze yoke]

i've never had a steam workshop fail that wasn't just steam doing it for fun

[old ginkgo]

Steam just trying to keep me on my toes.

[tulip valve]

You could make so if you have high enough reloading skill, that animation kicks in maybe? 😄

[unique harbor]

Never hooked a function in PZ before and I'm wondering if I'm doing it right because I don't get the print when I press the Safety button.

local hook = Safety.isToggleAllowed

function Safety:isToggleAllowed()
    print("Check here")

    return hook(self)
end

Am I missing something?

[bronze yoke]

when hooking a java method, your hook will only apply to lua calls to that method

[unique harbor]

Hmm.. I see, is there anything I could do to make it work?

[bronze yoke]

i would guess the button probably calls Safety.toggleSafety, so you can probably hook that

[unique harbor]

Yeah just found it by searching the lua folder, seems like I can hook ISSafetyUI:toggleSafety().
Guess I will give that a try, thanks! 🙂

Update: Works! 😄

[past trout]

Comrades, please help me. Previously, in b41, it was possible to add many different animations by simply naming their xml files differently and prescribing different conditions "<m_Conditions>", now when I try to do this for build 42, if I name the file differently than it is called in the original, (For example, I want to add my animation sit on ground, before to do this, you just had to put a file with any name in the player/sitonground folder, but now the game just doesn't see them, but if you call it for example "sit_loop.xml" or "sit_action.xml" , then my animation appears and works), maybe someone knows how to solve this problem?

[bronze yoke]

a bug means the game can't detect xml files in the 42/ and common/ folders currently

if you add one to media/ like it was a b41 mod, it will be detected and iirc actually loads the one in 42/ or common/

the ones with vanilla names work because they're already detected because of vanilla

[past trout]

hm.. thank you

[cosmic ermine]

Anyone know what these logs are? Front trunk spawns loot just fine, capacity is affected by condition, etc.

[umbral raptor]

Can someone help me figure out whats wrong with this mod? For some reason, an empty alcohol bottle I added is showing up as "FluidContainer AlcoholBottle" and the 3D model and texture won't work, it uses the 2D icon instead

[past trout]

Thank you very much, everything worked out 🤘

[unique harbor]

What's the best method for letting an admin change mod settings? ( They're only server related )
Can I somehow add it to the server settings or what's the way to go?

[bright fog]

Sandbox options ? 😅

[unique harbor]

Are they changeable while the server is running? 🤔

[bright fog]

Yea I believe so

[old ginkgo]

That would depend on the sandbox options and what you’re wanting to change. But most are, yes.

Some settings and parameters will require restarts but again; it’s all subjective to the settings in question.

[cosmic ermine]

Do Gas Tanks get distributed in-game?

[unique harbor]

Right now I just want the admin to be able to change a boolean easily so that players can only change their safety inside a safehouse they have permissions to. Basically a hooked function

Update: Thx, sandbox was exactly what I was looking for! 🙂

[bright fog]

New debug tool found ! Imgui was accessible since the start
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Imgui

[umbral raptor]

Can someone tell me why my empty alcohol bottle is showing up as fluidcontainer?

[bright fog]

Bcs it is

You need to define the name in a different file

[umbral raptor]

DisplayName = Empty Alcohol Bottle,

Doesn't this do it?

[bright fog]

No not that

give me a sec

[umbral raptor]

I sent the translate file

if thats what u mean

[bright fog]

This

[umbral raptor]

Ahaaaaa

Thats why!

Where is that file supposed to go?

Translate file?

[bright fog]

Translate file yea, same thing, you can see the file name at the top

[umbral raptor]

Lemme try that rq and see if it works

That fixed it! Thanks so much!

I managed to fix all the bugs with my mod haha. Time to add more.

[bright fog]

Nice !

[umbral raptor]

I have a question

When do we add , in lua?

function FermentationMod.extractItem(item)
if not item then return end

local data = item:getModData()

if data.fermentationState == FermentationMod.States.FERMENTED then
    -- Logic for extracting the fermented item
    print("Item successfully extracted.")
    return true
else
    print("Item cannot be extracted in its current state.")
    return false
end

end

Does anything here use ,?

item SteelFermenterWithAirlockMead
{
DisplayName = Steel Fermenter with Airlock (Mead),
DisplayCategory = Crafting,
Type = Normal,
Weight = 9.1,
Icon = FermenterMead,
Why does this end with , in the end?

[bright fog]

That's an interesting question lol

The scripts and the lua files are not the same

, is used usually to separate variables when defining a function, or to separate entries in a table

In Scripts, they are way way more important but work kind of like lua tables with , between each entries of the tables too, tho those are weird tables and it's not really a programming language I guess

[atomic hare]

Well fudge, this didnt worked to reduce the use of water of a watering can:
-- Overriding ISWaterPlantAction to reduce water usage to 10%
require "TimedActions/ISWaterPlantAction"

local originalUseItemOneUnit = ISWaterPlantAction.useItemOneUnit

function ISWaterPlantAction:useItemOneUnit()
if self.item and self.item:getType() == "Base.WateredCan" then
-- Use 10% of the original water consumption
local waterReductionFactor = 0.1
local originalDelta = self.deltaPerUse
self.deltaPerUse = originalDelta * waterReductionFactor
originalUseItemOneUnit(self)
-- Restore the original delta after use
self.deltaPerUse = originalDelta
else
-- Call the original function for other items
originalUseItemOneUnit(self)
end
end

[umbral raptor]

How do I add a context menu option?

Like when you right click an item and it says open?

[silent zealot]

Search for "addoption" in this channel bad advice, ignore

#mod_development message

that link is an exampel of adding a context menu

[umbral raptor]

Does my code make sense? It's not working

It's in the lua/server folder. The mod's name is AlcoholEmpire (if that's an issue with localization) not FermentationMod

[grand cloak]

how can i check for tags in recipes?

[median karma]

added clothes, is there a way to have Zombies wear them?

[crystal idol]

Mabbe you should check Authentic Z mod, they have Freddy Cruger, Jason, Michael Jackson and many more clothes

[median karma]

oh thx will do and see how they did it

i tried but this seems like the top tier of developement things id rather have to skip, but thanks 🙂

[umbral raptor]

I really need help with a LUA script. if someone has experience it'd be great if u could PM me

it adds a new cooking process to the game. (fermentation)

[tacit pebble]

Is there any function to get these preset locations?
I imagine something like: cell:getVehicleZones()

[ancient grail]

can we use it even if we intend to make a mod for b41?

also i use nosteam and it opens up b41 (which is what iwant for now) how do i make it open b42 tho

[grand cloak]

is there any way to hide recipes

[severe jay]

@lavish kestrel an i would like to invite you to try drugs ^-^ ehh moo
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3404956403

why error?

confusion...

weird... i mean the link works.. just didn't showcase

[silent zealot]

Did you just upload it? Takes a few minutes for a mod to be publicly available

[severe jay]

^ ight bet

[silent zealot]

How do you even start to balance a drug mod when a 1/4 can of soda is the ultimate survivor medication?

[lavish kestrel]

We did!

[lavish kestrel]

It shall probably be an ongoing thing haha. But hopefully I did a decent job to start!

[silent zealot]

I'll subscribe, see if I can replace my soda addiction with cocaine.

I've done B41 vehicle nomad playthroughs using crack instead of sleeping

[severe jay]

we plan on coding each grain of cocaine molecule for micro dosing

[silent zealot]

Crack to clear fatigue, smoke a cigarette to clear the stress from the crack, perfectly balanced.

[lavish kestrel]

EACH!?

[severe jay]

XD jokes

[silent zealot]

Sandbox options: mg per snort

[lavish kestrel]

Don't forget LSD for Boredom and Unhappiness

[silent zealot]

Fluid system: I don't care, I'll just assume you snorted a litre of cocaine

Does anyone know what event is called when a gun is fired? I want to turn the doublebarreled shotgun into a super-shotgun that fires both barrels, but this is a "If I can't do it in 10 minutes the idea wasn't that great" mod idea.

I can only find events that are for swinging weapons, not shooting... not sure if they lists I'm using are all from B41

[lavish kestrel]

I see one for reload and rack, not fire
OnPressRackButton, OnPressReloadButton

[silent zealot]

I can probably do what I want with OnPressReloadButton by making he gun only hold one round, having it use an extra shell when you reload and doubling the number of projectiles.

[bronze yoke]

no

unless you want to backport it after making it for b42

[silent zealot]

I'm lucky my mods were all easy to migrate to B42. And by "lucky" I mean "I only make very simple mods"

[ashen arch]

hey guys need advice

im making nach der untoten in project zomboid but i want the game to start as if its the last stand Accumulator challenge with the rounds and the shop menu etc. any idea how i can do that?

[ancient grail]

what does it even do anyways?
and also do you happen to know how to control which version loads for nosteam

[bronze yoke]

it's just whichever version of the game you have?

it's not like you can just do -b41, if your install is b41 it's b41

if you want to have both versions you can just copy the game folder for one version and move it somewhere else, and then install the other version through steam

[silent zealot]

Is there a way to get the elapsed ticks, or game time, or real time, or anything similar? My goal is an event-based function that won't trigger a second time within X seconds of last triggering

Doesn't need to be exact, so real time/game time/ticks will all work but I can't find a "getCurrentGameTime()" type thing.

[sly monolith]

just finished 2k textures for my character xD

[silent zealot]

Nice.

Looks like the person responsible for this zombie mess.

[sly monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-evil-evil-laugh-gif-10865501938883882879

[silent zealot]

Hard to blend in in 1993 Kentucky... 😂

Put Anything Into Anything is steadily coming along.

[sly monolith]

now that's something i could use, there's never enough room for all the trash i gotta pick up 😄

[ebon dagger]

Aight, yall.

I made my second custom weapon. I've made several custom attachments, those all worked fine.

For some reason the second custom weapon isn't displaying any attachments, in-game, though they are displaying in the attachment editor

For example, the standard x2 scope. Adding it to the weapon in attachment editor works just fine.

However, placing it on the weapon held in the characters hand does not.

THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF:
When I load into game, there is a flash of black that looks like a model bugging out. Like maybe the model has some junk data or something on it.

Any ideas?

Also, so all the data is available, I do have a script swapping the WeaponSprite, based on if its loaded or not.

[silent zealot]

It also lets you hold more than 50kg in your main inventory, so you can actually pick up bags contgaining 500kg stuff to equip them.

Is it just the vanilla 2x scope being attached?

If so, you at elast know the scope object is good.

[ebon dagger]

I can't get ANY attachments to show on this model.

Vanilla or modded.

[silent zealot]

There goes my dream of a crossbow with red dot scope, laser targetter and gun light.

[ebon dagger]

Oh, it will happen.

I'm not gonna give up

lol

[hybrid tiger]

Does anyone know where the Vanilla OnCreate lua code functions are stored?

[ebon dagger]

Laser and Reddot work in Editor, but none in game. 😦

[ebon dagger]

lua/server/recipecode.lua

[hybrid tiger]

oh wow

I really just missed it

lmao

ty

[ebon dagger]

np.

[random finch]

Are there any mods that use async aside from netcode commands? I am trying to figure out how todo it with PZ Kahlua. Perhaps this is the right direction?
https://www.lua.org/manual/5.4/manual.html#pdf-coroutine.wrap

[bronze yoke]

there is no async in kahlua

there's never been any kind of native asynchronicity in lua (it's just incompatible with the language's design), coroutines have that kind of interface but they aren't actually asynchronous

[random finch]

Wouldn't there be a huge performance benefit if it were possible? Do you see any issues with implementing a library into a mod to somewhat replicate an async functionality such as this?
http://dkolf.de/lua-async-await

I would have todo more research before I even attempted it, but I also do not want to waste my time.

[bronze yoke]

there probably would yeah, but you can't do it in pure lua

this is an area i didn't study so my usage of the language isn't the most consistent, i've probably said async a few times when i should have said concurrent, but there's no concurrency here, you just can't do it in lua

i haven't seen people using things like sleep functions (which imo is the only real use for this), i usually see people just call functions with a delay

i think there's a performance penalty to using coroutines too much like that (which would be a prerequisite if you wanted a sleep function like this) and in general i don't think i've ever seen someone use one in pz?

to be honest that's a mistake, there are some decent reasons to use them, but i don't use them either so i can't say much

[undone elbow]

There is os.time so it's possible to make a mini framework for timed functions, e.g. DoTaskInTime(fn,5)

Also see "OnTickEngine" via Ctrl+F that I posted here earlier.

[bronze yoke]

yeah, i've written pretty similar things in the past

i think if you wanted an async/await sort of syntax you could set up a table of coroutines which you suspend when starting the await and check every tick if the condition has passed that they should now continue

but it sounds complicated to set up and i think it would probably actually perform a lot worse than the current methods

[random finch]

When you say only say the only use would be sleep functions, wdym? For example, you are using Events.OnRenderTick.Add. You want to update elements in the function using OnRenderTick. As of now, it must check all the changes before it proceeds or you can use another Event. If you were able to use async function that ran concurrently to update those elements that could also be an option.

At least that was my thought process. Perhaps my idea of aync is convoluted either from not understanding or using C# context.

Using other events to replicate concurrency is probably the way to go in PZ Kahlua.

[undone elbow]

An example from TTS:

local time_now = os.clock()
local TASKS = {}

local function DoPeriodicTask(period, fn)
  local task = {
    period = period,
    fn = fn,
    act_time = time_now + period,
  }
  TASKS[task] = task
  return task
end

local function DoTaskInTime(seconds, fn)
  local task = {
    --period = period,
    fn = fn,
    act_time = time_now + seconds,
  }
  --table.insert(TASKS,task)
  TASKS[task] = task
  return task
end

local function CancelTask(task)
  if task then
    TASKS[task] = nil
  end
end

function update()
  time_now = os.clock()
  for k,task in pairs(TASKS) do
    if time_now > task.act_time then
      if task.period then
        task.act_time = time_now + task.period
      else
        TASKS[k] = nil
      end
      task.fn()
    end
  end
end

This is just an example. os.clock should be replaced with os.time etc

[bronze yoke]

yeah, i actually wrote something like this this morning

well actually mine doesn't deal in real time yet, just ticks

[bronze yoke]

i get you, this just isn't really a style lua supports well

there's no possibility of concurrency in the current api, it's straight up impossible

[undone elbow]

This is the main optimization: 😎

TASKS[task] = task

[bronze yoke]

you can emulate an async/await style-wise for certain things using coroutines but ultimately everything will still happen linearly in one thread, and the complexity of doing so will probably have it end up running worse too

[ebon dagger]

Does DoParam add, or replace?

For instance, if an item already has entries for "MountOn", would a script that calls DoParam("MountOn = whatever") overwrite the items starting values?

[undone elbow]

replace

[bronze yoke]

it's up to the individual parameter, there's no consistency. generally replace is more common

[ebon dagger]

Fair. So, the safe bet would be to attempt to get the current value, and replace after appending.

[bronze yoke]

if you have a decompile it's easiest to just check doparam for the specific parameter you're interested in, if you see it creating a new arraylist then you know it's replacing

mounton looks like it will replace

[undone elbow]

the lack of a replacement is just a bug I guess

It must replace.

[bronze yoke]

i don't see an elegant way to get the original mount on unfortunately, the two ways to get it seem to be field access or instancing the item and grabbing it from the instance (the instance's mount on is weirdly not actually identical to the original but seems like it should ultimately reference the same items anyway)

[ebon dagger]

Yeah, I was running into this.

replacing it is easy, additive is difficult

I can just hardcode the string, but its not future safe 😄

[undone elbow]

DoParam must add the parameter if it doesn't exist

[ebon dagger]

Anyone ever seen:
WARN : General f:1568, t:1736585985150> SpriteConfig.initObjectInfo > Invalid SpriteConfig object! scripted object = null

so far its my only lead on why my models aren't displaying attachments.

[bronze yoke]

i just get this constantly whenever i play

walking around a bit will give me a couple errors just like this

[ebon dagger]

Ah ok, then thats not it 😄

[umbral raptor]

Events.OnItemSpawned.Add(function(item)
if FermentationMod.isFermentable(item) then
FermentationMod.startFermentation(item)
end
end)
There is an error in the first line
what's the event's name for what I want?
I want it to start a process when the item spawns into the world.

OnObjectAdded?

[ebon dagger]

Wrong chat bro lol

[ebon dagger]

I figured my issue out, my Origin in my model was wonky

[ebon dagger]

Anyone have any thoughts on making an item destroy itself when it hits the player inventory, OR preventing an item attachement from being detached?

[bright fog]

You can open B41 with imgui ???

[undone elbow]

Modify the context menu so that the option is disabled (red)

[unique harbor]

How do I add a tooltip to a sandbox option?
I have tried a few ways now, based on other mods but it just doesn't want to work.

sandbox-options.txt

option Playmode.OnlyInSafehouse
{
    type = boolean, default = false,
    page = Playmode, translation = Playmode_OnlyInSafehouse,
    tooltip = Tooltip_Playmode_OnlyInSafehouse, (also tried without 'Tooltip_')
}

Tooltip_EN.txt

Tooltip_EN = {
    Tooltip_Playmode_OnlyInSafehouse = "Players will only be able to change the safety inside a safehouse."
}

[undone elbow]

sandbox-options.txt

option Playmode.OnlyInSafehouse
{
    type = boolean, default = false,
    page = Playmode, translation = Playmode_OnlyInSafehouse,
}

Sandbox_EN.txt

Sandbox_EN = {
    ...
    Playmode_OnlyInSafehouse_tooltip = "..."
}

[crisp fossil]

how do I get all these stacked items when right clicked? using OnFillInventoryObjectContextMenu only returns 1 unless I manually highlight them all

[ebon dagger]

Now I just need to figure out how to kill the muzzle flash.

[ebon dagger]

That is a great idea.

[umbral raptor]

Can someone help me figure out what's wrong here? It keeps adding fermenting context menu tag each periodic update. the fermentation progress is counting, but never switches to fermented state.

[crisp fossil]

i thkn when you get the display name it includes the (Fermenting), maybe you need to store the origName in mod and use that when you set the new name

[umbral raptor]

what do u mean?

[unique harbor]

Thanks, it works! 🙂

[random finch]

Anyone know if you can get an outline on a player by using setHighlighted? Doesn't seem to work on render tick but I could be doing something wrong.
IE:

player:setHighlighted(true, false)
local OBJECT_HIGHLIGHT_COLOR = ColorInfo.new(0,1,0,1)
player:setHighlightColor(OBJECT_HIGHLIGHT_COLOR)
player:setBlink(true)
player:setOutlineHighlight(true)
player:setOutlineHlBlink(true)
player:setOutlineHighlightCol(1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0)

[errant bluff]

could someone know how to record the weight of a fish in the inventory, not the one that refers to the weight for the hunger/nutrition thing.

its that getActualWeight ?

[ancient grail]

no i just asked if you could , albion said you cant ,
my next question was
how to open b42 via no steam cuz its only opening b41 for me
even tho this is what i want for now
but in the future i might need b42

i do mods via nosteam so i can test mp

[ancient grail]

i would use inventory:FindAndReturn() to fetch the item
if its found the remove
for event
perhaps trigger it onplayerupdate or 10mins or something

[crisp fossil]

this is your code item:setName(item:getDisplayName() .. " (" .. AlcoholEmpire.States.FERMENTED .. ")")

1. item name = Steel Fermenter with Airlock (Mead)
2. you set the name its now Steel Fermenter with Airlock (Mead)(Fermenting)
3. then your function triggers again, when you log item:getDisplayName() it will return Steel Fermenter with Airlock (Mead)(Fermenting).
   So this code item:setName(item:getDisplayName() .. " (" .. AlcoholEmpire.States.FERMENTED .. ")") will result to Steel Fermenter with Airlock (Mead)(Fermenting)(Fermenting).
4. if your function triggers again, when you log item:getDisplayName() it will return Steel Fermenter with Airlock (Mead)(Fermenting)(Fermenting) , then so on.

This happens because you are using item:getDisplayName() which you are changing every time

1. item:getDisplayName() + (Fermenting) = Steel Fermenter with Airlock (Mead) + (Fermenting) = Steel Fermenter with Airlock (Mead)(Fermenting)
2. item:getDisplayName() + (Fermenting) = Steel Fermenter with Airlock (Mead)(Fermenting) + (Fermenting) = Steel Fermenter with Airlock (Mead)(Fermenting)(Fermenting)
3. item:getDisplayName() + (Fermenting) = Steel Fermenter with Airlock (Mead)(Fermenting)(Fermenting) + (Fermenting) = Steel Fermenter with Airlock (Mead)(Fermenting)(Fermenting)(Fermenting)

As long as your function triggers it keeps adding to the existing name. You need to store the original name in modData once then use that name

-- Trigger this once
local modData = item:getModData()
modData.origName = item:getDisplayName()

then the function where you change the name item:setName(modData.origName .. " (" .. AlcoholEmpire.States.FERMENTED .. ")")

[desert lagoon]

Hi all, during tests of my mod of PL translation for B42 (as currently, in unstable snapshot there are many character glitches caused by encoding), I've noticed that all parametrized items already generated in game stays with the old name (if you install the mod and run it with previously created save). New items are correctly shown, as expected, but the old ones are still invalid, for example Key Ring of X Y or ID Card

I suppose it's a code wise bug in this situation. By any chance, do any of you guys noticed such thing before and is there an easy way to refresh phrases of previously generated parametrized items, or it needs to stay that way?

[bright fog]

No idea I never use no steam

[random finch]

I assume nosteam is not useful when you you need more than 1 client on the server to test stuff?

[ornate sand]

Oooooooh KI5 is back on B42 babyyy

[undone elbow]

What are the glitches?

"ę" != "ę"

[ancient grail]

its offline so you cant connect to hosted server
only on your local system
maybe local host
and maybe other server means that doesnt use steam

[random finch]

Yup, thats what I mean. Host the server on your LAN, connect with clients on the LAN as well.

[vast pier]

That looks like a tracer for the bolt, not a muzzle flash?

[tranquil kindle]

He probably meant flash when you fire firearm that lights up surrounding area

[vast pier]

oh, he didn't show that in the video, but that would make sense

[random finch]

Udo, are you working on an aiming system similar to Advanced Trajectory?

[vast pier]

I think that's just the build 42 aiming

Is there a reason why there aren't any mods that make it so pants and other articles of clothing have pockets?

[random finch]

I dont see why not, there are pocket icons as well in the UI pack.

I say icons, its an icon

[vast pier]

maybe there's a system limitation

or just nobody has thought to do it

the only mods I see related to pockets are vests

[random finch]

I think the latter

That was something I wanted to delve into myself

Just too busy with what i got

[random finch]

#mod_development message

[vast pier]

wack

[umbral raptor]

Does anyone know how I can make a tool-tip progress bar like the cooking one?

[undone elbow]

Why you need pockets if there are bags?

[vast pier]

same reason to wear a fanny pack?

more storage

[undone elbow]

So you need a mod to make bags better.

[vast pier]

I saw a message appear and disappear

[umbral raptor]

Having 20 containers is not a good idea

[vast pier]

what no I don't want a buff to bags, I want pants to have pockets

[umbral raptor]

I can barely keep up with my chest rig, backup, and others

I mean, is each clothing piece going to be its own bag?

Or is it going to increase inventory capacity

[vast pier]

I mean I don't think it can directly increase capacity, so it would be like carrying a sewing kit in your secondary

[undone elbow]

In the past I made mod "Realistic Inventory" (B41 only for now) that provides pocket mechanics but it makes sense only as a mod that makes game harder.

[errant bluff]

https://imgur.com/Eufj5wP
Does anyone know how to fix that the numbers do not overlap each other? I don't know how to do it anymore.

[undone elbow]

It counts all pockets to increase main inventory limit.

[umbral raptor]

Does anyone know how I can make a tool-tip progress bar like the cooking one? It tracks progress from my mod’s script.

[undone elbow]

Make a timed action.

[umbral raptor]

Do you know how cooking works? Like how the bar increases over time in an oven till its done then another burning bar shows up. I want to make it so that it does that it increases over time since ObjectAdd

[umbral raptor]

Is it a lua or media script?

[undone elbow]

It's a Lua for a custom action.

[undone elbow]

It's on tooltip. It's somewhere in lua files..

[umbral raptor]

It goes in Lua/server right? In a seperate file for this timed action?

[serene crest]

Sorry if I'm jumping right in, but I have trouble with unpacking the texture pack "tiles2x" with the Pack Manager Tool. I just get a "�" in the unpacked folder and don't know what's causing it. Appreciate if anyone could help.

It's from B42

[grand cloak]

use the tool from TileZed

[undone elbow]

0. You know that there is a word "Burning" for sure.
1. Go search in game files "Burning" (here are quotes because it's an entire phrase)

• The result: few filenames including IG_UI_EN.txt

2. Read it. Find the word.

• The result: a string IGUI_invpanel_Burning = "Burning",

3. Search the word IGUI_invpanel_Burning in all game files

• Thre result: a file ISInventoryPane.lua

4. Read it.

• The result: this word is in a function ISInventoryPane:drawProgressBar

5. etc etc etc

That's how you can "dig" the game to find the place where it is. Then you can copy/pase the code, take an idea, see API examples etc etc.

[grand cloak]

guys do you know if there is a way to create custom building categories

i can do it easily with the crafting menu but for some reason it didn't work in the building one

[undone elbow]

I guess it's non-ascii symbols in file paths. What is the name of your OS account (C:\Users\<your name>)?

[serene crest]

Do they have to be extracted into C: ? I tried Desktop.

[umbral raptor]

Thank you so much ❤️

[grand cloak]

tbh I also tried to unpack it once but it didnt work

download zomboid modding tools from steam

the tiles are there in pngs

[serene crest]

I did, and I assume I'm suppose to click "extract images" and then proceed here as shown by clicking "OK". But I don't get any extracted images in the folder. What exactly am I suppose to be doing here to get the tiles extracted into a custom folder?

[grand cloak]

for me there are like only a few that worked

i never extracted those from the games files

bc they never worked

i dont know why

if i create one i can easily extract it back, but the ones from the game are different

[serene crest]

Might be due to outdated software?

[grand cloak]

maybe

but i use the pngs from the tools when i need them

why exactly do you need to extract them

[runic hare]

can anyone help me with figuring out how to expand safhouse parameters in a MP hosted server?

been on multipul servers where the admins can with a requested ticket, so im trying to figure out how they do so

[serene crest]

Because I want to customize existing erosion tiles and the ones that are in tiles2x are the only ones that are used in the game I think.

[ornate sand]

You mean like make a safehouse's claim area be bigger?
That's in the admin tools, I think it's called "Add safezone".
A safezone is exactly what a safehouse is, and an admin can add players to a safezone after making one

[grand cloak]

can't you do it using the pngs?

[runic hare]

yeah im just having trouble finding it within the admin tools D:

[grand cloak]

from the modding tools

[ornate sand]

Isn't it in the admin panel button's options?

[runic hare]

im in debug mode within the game, next to the safehouse and unsure what tab to select i thought ive tried them all

is it within the debug menu main/dev?

[ornate sand]

It's been more than 6 months since I used it but I know it's there somewhere. Just look for something-something safezone

[runic hare]

hmmm maybe iso regions?

[serene crest]

I wish I knew how, but there's just a lack of tutorials of how to do such a thing. I've searched the web and most are like a decade old.

Could you provide a good one that works for modern use?

[grand cloak]

actually i have also never found a good one tbh

where are the erosion tiles in the 2x

what number in the list?

[runic hare]

no luck :{

[serene crest]

Tiles2x25

[grand cloak]

you can find them here

inside the modding tools files/tiles/2x

and then you need to edit those images

and create the .pack to replace them

[serene crest]

Thanks, should I name it "tiles2x"?

[ebon dagger]

I am not. I see no reason to. Just making a modding resource to turn a standard firearm into a "Crossbow"

[grand cloak]

that is the part that i dont really know bc i never replaced them but i guess it should work

[random finch]

Yah my bad, I havent seen the new B42 aim cursor.

[grand cloak]

you also have to put it in your mod info

[random finch]

I thought they didnt touch the combat system

[runic hare]

so i just found out there is an admin option

also

that i can change sandbox settings ingame without having to create a new world 🥲

so much time i couldve saved

got it 😄

ty rain

[ivory bramble]

Hey everyone 🙂 Does anyone know of any mods that use enums in their sandbox options? Looking for a quick example of the structure for my own

nvm! Found an example

[hybrid tiger]

Is there a wait to maintain food stats when using replaceOnCooked? The food being replaced with has the base weight / stats instead of the food actually being cooked?
Or call a function when the food is cooked? I saw OnCooked but I think it got removed in b42?

[atomic hare]

techinally speaking, would it be possible to add a working torque system to the vehicles as a mod to make them no rely on just HP?

[ebon dagger]

Oh, no problem, I'm just not heading in that direction 😄

[ornate sand]

The startmuzzleflash is at media/lua/shared/TimedActions/ISReloadWeaponAction.lua

I've been thinking about how to disable the same thing when using one of my suppressors 🙂

[atomic hare]

ignore me using mods that change the muzzleflash to look better

[ornate sand]

replacing a texture is a tiny bit easier than disabling a lua function's start_event_thingie 😄

[finite scroll]

is there anyone that can explain how to draw sprites properly? i've been digging through other people's code for like a week and cannot figure out how to make it work without having a whole absurd chain of things

[bright fog]

New page about Sandbox options
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sandbox_options

[vast pier]

hmm speed bump on this idea which may be why it's not a thing.
Turning clothing into a container means it can no longer get holes in it

at least as far as I can tell

which isn't a huge deal for pants, as they rarely get holes anyway.
The issue comes from the tear clothing recipe, it checks for holes in an item and bugs out if the item isn't capable of having holes

[ivory bramble]

Follow up to this- does anyone see any like glaring issues with my sandbox-options.txt? The dropdown menu isn't showing the option listed.
Sandbox_EN = {
Sandbox_WhoWeWere = "WhoWeWere",
Sandbox_WhoWeWere_HobbyOne = "HobbyOne",
Sandbox_WhoWeWere_HobbyOne_option1 = "Never (Not recommend)",
}

[ivory bramble]

Never mind once again! The updated sandbox page was majorly helpful.

[vivid imp]

Doggy Jvla is on it with the wiki update, its great to see

[vast pier]

I could possibly get around this by overwriting the pants instead of editing with lua, and create a new set of recipes that don't involve the holes. This would make it less compatible with mods, but would get rid of the rags issue and wouldn't spit out errors

This may be the path I go with, since idrc if the pants are suddenly impervious to holes

[grizzled fulcrum]

yeah its honestly so good 🙏

[median karma]

is there any reason that whenever i want to make a mod it has to contain a empty folder called /common/ else it wont show up?

[bronze yoke]

it's a bug

you can and should put files that are likely to be shared between versions in the future in common/ instead of the version folder (e.g. 42) but you are supposed to be able to put everything in the version folder instead

[median karma]

thx, that was hella complicated, but sure finally released my first mod i worked on for 2 weeks.

[vast pier]

nice, what is it? as far as I know, you can link mods here

[median karma]

trying to fix a last thing i noticed after releasing it, few secs

[cosmic ermine]

if VehicleZoneDistribution then
    VehicleZoneDistribution.good.vehicles["Base.isg85countach"] = {index = -1, spawnChance = 100}
    VehicleZoneDistribution.sport.vehicles["Base.isg85countach"] = {index = -1, spawnChance = 100}
end
```Was testing out the spawn and my vehicle does in-fact spawn properly. I guess the mod will be ready today.

[vast pier]

found it, very nice 👍

[median karma]

one item shows just icon when dropped, but the code is right, still trying to fix it lol

can u remove this and if u want ask in pm 🙂

[vast pier]

aight

[median karma]

what kinda car is this?

[silent zealot]

It's super easy to do - BUT you need to change the Type to Type = Container which means every existing item in a game will be destroyed on load when you enable/disable the mod.

You can't work around this with lua because only Type = Container will become ItemContaoner in the Java,

But if you want to do it, here's code for letting you shove stuff into your underwear:

    local x = ScriptManager.instance:getItem(item)
    if x then
        x:DoParam(newparam)
        print("NepTweaks: item updated: "..item.." "..newparam)
    else
        print("NepTweaks: unable to find item "..item)
    end    
end


local function NepChangeBraParams()

    -- maybe instead pull list by looking for items with BodyLocation = UnderwearTop or BodyLocation = UnderwearBottom?
    -- See mod 2947370877 Weightless Accessories for example
    
    local brasRedFrillsOnly = { "Bra_Straps_FrillyRed" }
    
    local bras = { 
    "Bra_Strapless_Black",
    "Bra_Strapless_RedSpots",
    "Bra_Strapless_White",
    "Bra_Straps_Black",
    "Bra_Straps_White",
    "Bra_Strapless_AnimalPrint",
    "Bra_Straps_AnimalPrint",
    "Bra_Straps_FrillyBlack",
    "Bra_Strapless_FrillyBlack",
    "Bra_Straps_FrillyPink",
    "Bra_Strapless_FrillyPink",
    "Bra_Straps_FrillyRed",
    "Bra_Strapless_FrillyRed",
    "Corset_Black",
    "Corset_Red",
    "Corset",
    "Corset_Medical" }
    local undies = { 
    "Underpants_Black",
    "Underpants_RedSpots",
    "Underpants_White",
    "Boxers_Hearts",
    "Boxers_Silk_Black",
    "Boxers_Silk_Red",
    "Boxers_RedStripes",
    "Boxers_White",
    "Briefs_White",
    "Briefs_AnimalPrints",
    "Briefs_SmallTrunks_Black",
    "Briefs_SmallTrunks_Blue",
    "Briefs_SmallTrunks_Red",
    "Briefs_SmallTrunks_WhiteTINT",
    "Underpants_AnimalPrint",
    "FrillyUnderpants_Black",
    "FrillyUnderpants_Pink",
    "FrillyUnderpants_Red" }

    for _, bra in ipairs(brasRedFrillsOnly) do
        NepItemParam(bra,"Capacity = 2")
        NepItemParam(bra,"WeightReduction = 75")
        NepItemParam(bra,"Type = Container")
        NepItemParam(bra,"OpenSound = OpenBag")
        NepItemParam(bra,"CloseSound = CloseBag")
        NepItemParam(bra,"PutInSound = PutItemInBag")
        NepItemParam(bra,"CanBeEquipped = UnderwearTop") --not for undies!
    end
    
end```

[vast pier]

Yes if you scroll down further you'll see the actual problem with containers not being capable of having holes, causing an error with the rags recipe

[silent zealot]

Makes sense, they are different objects in java do have different properties and some fields/methods that shoudl be inherited by everything are just missing.

Plus I guess that avoids the "stuff shodl fall out of a bag full of holes" issue.

[vast pier]

It still produces a single rag, but spits an error

Another issue being it doesn't unequip the item when you shred it

meaning your pants stop existing, but you're still wearing them until you unequip it

[silent zealot]

hahahhah

[vast pier]

taking them off or dropping them makes them instantly disintegrate

[silent zealot]

I too hate wearing pants.

Such a realistic game.

[median karma]

The Kings new Clothes

[silent zealot]

There is a "rip worn clothes" recipe seperate to "rip clothes", does that offer a hint?

[vast pier]

I am thinking about looking at the code & recipe(s) for the sheet sling bag and simply overwriting the pants with a new recipe to rip them up

[silent zealot]

I hope so, I do it whenever I release a new mod. It's not like the rate of new mods will fill the channel with spam.

That sounds easiest

Once I gave up on converting underpants into storage as a mod because I didn't want countless complaints about "all the underpants in the world disappeared!" I considered making a version that let you convert undies with a "sew pockets into undies" recipe, but it just didn't seem worth it.

Using undies as a holster slot with a chance to shoot you in the groin if you fall over was another idea. 😂

[vast pier]

just put a disclaimer that enabling the mod invites the underwear god who will bless new worlds and vanquish the filth of olde

[silent zealot]

I could, but people will not read a giant warning and how many people back things up before adjusting mods? I do with a little robocopy script, but I bet most people do not.

[vast pier]

sounds like a skill issue and not your problem

[silent zealot]

hahahahaha

Steam workshop -> ...Or Are yo Just Happy To See Me? mod -> comments -> disable comments

solved.

[vast pier]

I've been letting myself get more into the mindset of just making mods how I feel they should function, and if someone is stupid and messes it up, that's their own fault

At least if it's not convoluted, I'm not against making mods accessible and understandable

but if you don't read the top of the description that literally says it will delete items on old worlds, that's genuinely your fault

[silent zealot]

Hmmmm.

I shall ponder this apprach. Or I'll keep it as a personal script so I can set one desired item to storage, respawn it with dev mode, and use that.

[vast pier]

Like yeah this mod is complicated and convoluted, so if it messes up that might be on me for not explaining properly. But if I have a full explanation and walk through of the mod and how it works and you still mess up on the first thing I warn you about?????????

[bronze yoke]

the real trick is to put it in an image on the workshop page

since i got into the habit of explaining everything with pictures i don't get very many confused commenters anymore, and those i do get are generally things i actually did not explain well in the screenshots

[vast pier]

no because I have some mods for kenshi that I made, that show what npcs/shops the armours are given to

[bronze yoke]

nobody reads the description, and that's their fault and their problem but it will make it less annoying for you to deal with

[vast pier]

and I still get comments about "what npcs can I find these on??"

not an exaggeration

[bronze yoke]

that's the problem, that's a block of text

[vast pier]

It's the only image on the mod page

[bronze yoke]

nobody reads a big block of text, same issue as the description

[mellow frigate]

no the problem is the 4% of people who wanna express themselves and not read.

[bronze yoke]

for what it's worth i'm not saying you have to or should do this, you literally provide all of the information right there, but if the comments bug you improving the presentation usually does reduce it

[vast pier]

no hate to this guy btw

[mellow frigate]

the solution is to disable the comments and put a link to pz discord mod support in the description

[vast pier]

the armours are visually identical, you can only tell them apart when you have them in your inventory, there is literally no better way to present this information.

I actually don't blame this particular person, I'm pretty sure english isn't their first language

[bronze yoke]

yeah, i guess i don't really know what your mod is so i can't say exactly how you could do it better (or if you even could)

[vast pier]

These copy the stats of the cargopants versions, weighing slightly more with a 0.8 price mult instead of 0.7.```

[bronze yoke]

my mind goes to showing their stats alongside a picture + nametag of each npc who sells them, likely in a separate image for each of the variants

unfortunately, yeah, doesn't seem like something you can present too visually

[last edge]

Just a question - does anyone know if a mod to fix animal vehicle collisions is being worked on? Something to prevent rabbits and mice from shredding your hood.

[winter bolt]

easiest solution is to add "SPAWNS ON NPCS" as a header at the start of the description lol

[vast pier]

An unrelated gripe I have is when you make a mod that changes a function and someone goes in your comments and says something like "why did you make this, vanilla version was fine" Because I wanted to???

[bronze yoke]

ugh yeah dude like

not everything is for everyone, just don't use it

[vast pier]

Like if you aren't interested in the mod, just keep scrolling?? Why are you wasting your time with the mod if you think vanilla is better?? Just go play vanilla then??

I remember when I was developing a cloth tweaks mod, I made it so cloth equipment gave bonuses to combat speed.
Because in vanilla, they do literally nothing except have a physical appearance.
It's not like in zomboid, where clothing without protection still has environmental protection.
And someone asked why you would buff them.
Because I don't like useless items in games?

[median karma]

ugh thisx is weird, i checked my code 100 times, the code for all items ingame are exactly 100% the same, but for one item it only loads the icon and not the model? console.txt spits this out

WARN : Script f:0, t:1736641073808> ModelScript.check > no such model "???.PrideBracelet_gaypride" for Base.PrideBracelet_Right_Gaypride and as said all the text must be correct.

[vast pier]

Everything should be capable of having a use in my opinion, even if niche.
Can't afford that chainmail shirt? wearing a normal shirt will still slightly benefit you.

It also adds an interesting equipment dilemma, where you choose between better protection and combat speed.

You're wearing a chestplate and plate leggings, do you go for a bit more protection and add a heavy chain shirt, or do you put on a cloth shirt instead to negate some of the speed penalty from the plate armour?

[silent zealot]

That's a really good idea

Maybe a gif with blinking red WARNING

[vast pier]

half the description and workshop images become solely dedicated to warning you that the mod will cause your old underwear to be eaten by ravenous zombie moths

[vast pier]

is this happening for every item or just the gay pride bracelet?

cuz it looks like it's missing the right hand model

[silent zealot]

I hate that! Making a mod doesn't mean "I think this should be a base game feature" it means "people can choose this if they want, or they can ignore it"

[silent zealot]

Hardcoded 1990's Kentucky attitudes to gay pride?

[median karma]

just this one, and i can wear it left and right, just the ground model is a icon

i deleted the icon and its still showing up ingame, this is weird lol

[vast pier]

well the error is specifically saying a model is missing

no such model "???.PrideBracelet_gaypride"

[median karma]

i gave the mod a new ID to see that it does not play with the workshop mod, and now nothing drops anymore, ill have to troubleshoot more

[vast pier]

also images and textures are saved to the game cache, deleting the icon wouldn't do anything until you restart the game

[umbral raptor]

I had the same issue, turns out I forgot a , in the world models file

[bronze yoke]

they should be freed when they stop being used, at worst when you exit the save

[umbral raptor]

This one

--

Anyone got an idea why this entire mod is broken? lmao

specifically the lua shared scripts and recipes

I added everything related to recipes and it aint working

[median karma]

oh hello Error

<m_GUID>9b0afef4-8efd-4e42-a34d-4d646724ssf5/m_GUID>

[vast pier]

what was it

[median karma]

<

[vast pier]

??

[median karma]

the < is missing

[vast pier]

where was that

like, where was the guid

[median karma]

\clothing\clothingItems

[vast pier]

odd, the workshop version doesn't have that guid for the gaypride right bracelet

<m_MaleModel>media\models_X\Static\Clothes\M_PrideBracelet_Right.fbx</m_MaleModel>
<m_FemaleModel>media\models_X\Static\Clothes\F_PrideBracelet_Right.fbx</m_FemaleModel>
<m_GUID>9b0afef4-8efd-4e42-a34d-4d646724ssgg</m_GUID>
<m_Static>false</m_Static>
<m_AllowRandomHue>false</m_AllowRandomHue>
<m_AllowRandomTint>false</m_AllowRandomTint>
<m_MasksFolder>none</m_MasksFolder>
<textureChoices>clothes\bracelets\bracelet_gaypride</textureChoices>
</clothingItem>```

[median karma]

i just uploaded a new version

like 2-3min ago

[vast pier]

well this version is about 20 minutes old

[median karma]

im still not sure whatbroke, im just glad it got fixed

[vast pier]

I was looking at it to see what broke before you found the guid problem

[vast pier]

what's broken about it and what's it supposed to do

[umbral raptor]

So its supposed to simulate fermentation. When an item is added into the world its suppossed to ferment and progress tracked then af the end it changes the context menu tag from (fermenting) to fermented and allows it to be used in a recipe since its given a tag. Now the progress is occuring but it goes on forever and doesnt change the state, display name or anything. I also tried to implement a simple progress bar that tracks down fermentation using the burning tooltip in zomboid base game, but that attempt resulted in a fucked up inventory screen for the player and no progress bar

Also recipes dont work

[vast pier]

B41 or 41?

[umbral raptor]

B42

[vast pier]

did it previously work in 41 or was it built of 42

[umbral raptor]

Built

Its new

Lets focus on the recipes

Can you tell me why it aint appearing ig?

[vast pier]

me personally I cannot, I'm very new to zomboid modding.
Just going through steps to try to diagnose, or at least draw attention to it for someone who may be more knowledgable

Did you base the recipes off existing ones?

[umbral raptor]

Well. GPT wrote it. I gave him the base game coding for recipes and a mod’s to use as references

[bronze yoke]

chat gpt cannot write zomboid mods

[umbral raptor]

I did check it and found nothing weird

[umbral raptor]

Yeah IK, but it can try

Which sometimes works

[vast pier]

ah then the problem is probably just cuz chatgpt

[umbral raptor]

Specially on easy stuff

Like translate files

But yeah 100% GPT but i barely know how to code so he does good

And half the mod is working so I got that going

[vast pier]

Well I think one of the issues is none of your recipes have OnCreate which I think may be needed for these sorts of recipes?

Your recipes seem like they would be in a similar vein to can opening, which all have OnCreate functions

[vivid imp]

It scares me when people talk about GPT like a living person and not a horrific plagarism algorithm

[vast pier]

@umbral raptor maybe the recipes don't work because you don't have the items in game for them?

getting the items to exist should probably be the first step

wait this might be on me, I'll check again in a minute

[umbral raptor]

Its not bro. You aint a plagiarizer if u use a calculator. It makes life easier and does calculations for you instead of you spending several weeks making complex calculations by hand cuz then you made effort and aint a plagirizer

[frank elbow]

Imagine if you typed 0/0 into a calculator and instead of it telling you it can't handle that calculation, it just tells you the answer is 100. That's what using ChatGPT for zomboid is like

[vast pier]

a calculator actually requires you to know what you're doing

[vivid imp]

"Bro trust me im an expert at this i type a few lines into a machine and it spits stuff out at me"

[red tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/see-you-in-court-todd-arian-moayed-inventing-anna-im-suing-gif-25142094

[vivid imp]

Anything worthwhile you have to actually learn

So if you want to be good at modding actually learn it

[umbral raptor]

lol yall stay in 2020, we goin into the 2030s and leaving ur ass behind

[red tiger]

Imagine copyrighting maths.

[frank elbow]

It's actually 2025 right now

You shouldn't trust ChatGPT to be your calendar either

[umbral raptor]

Yeah GPT wasnt that popular before 2020 bro

Thats why you staying there

[vivid imp]

I love ai bros

[red tiger]

@frank elbow Bro I managed to get Suno to render Project Zomboid music lol

[vivid imp]

Ai generated music is like the definition of soulless

[frank elbow]

This is so funny juxtaposed to the plagiarism discussion above lol

[vivid imp]

What the hell do you think Suno is trained off of

[vast pier]

Dude you can't say chatgpt did fine while actively trying to find out why the mod isn't working

[umbral raptor]

You havent tried saving fifty hours from having to translate LUA files. Specially when its a broadcast thing

[vast pier]

it isn't working because chatgpt did it wrong

[umbral raptor]

But u do u

[vivid imp]

Then why are you here asking us for help

[red tiger]

Would be funny if we found out that the PZ new music is actually Suno.

[vivid imp]

Just ask chatGPT

[umbral raptor]

Cuz im a modder and im debugging

[frank elbow]

If you're going to use ChatGPT at least say that you did that in the initial post that you're asking for help, please

Not everyone wants to spend time trying to help debug AI code (only to figure out that's what they're doing, so it'll take much, much longer)

[umbral raptor]

oh should I put an AI-generated content tag as well?

Bruh stfu

[vivid imp]

Worlds friendliest modder

[frank elbow]

Imagine asking for help with something you didn't do and being this rude lmao

[red tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/only-game-heff-be-mad-gif-5038541

[umbral raptor]

Bruh big talk

[frank elbow]

The talk was normal-sized actually

[umbral raptor]

You pretending like GPT generated the file after I typed in like 10 lines

I learned Zomboid’s modding and fix errors in its code as well as direct the AI

[vivid imp]

Clearly you did all the work because you wrote what GPT should produce

A true AI promot artist

[red tiger]

Bro I told Suno to make "Depression Banjo music" and I composed this bad boy.

[red tiger]

AI is a wieldy tool. /shrug

[vivid imp]

Music and art are about human expression it fucking sucks

When a machine makes it

[red tiger]

Machines are made by humans

Vegan food is made from decomposing animals.

[frank elbow]

I'm not even wholly anti-AI (though I don't use it myself), but if you're asking for help here with AI-generated stuff it is necessarily going to take longer to help with it

So it's rude to not disclose that right away

[umbral raptor]

Yeah cuz an AI trained in more LUA programming than u will ever get to see in ur lifetime is gonna write better code than me, a guy who learned LUA a week ago

[red tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/waterloo-roblox-waterloo-invalid-code-waterloo-meme-roblox-meme-gif-25213408

[vivid imp]

Good self image there

Why bother learning something when the computer knows more about it?

[frank elbow]

It's not trained on Zomboid Lua code, as people have tried to point out

This isn't a productive conversation, clearly. I hope you learn Lua and have fun modding, with or without AI

[vivid imp]

Whats fun about modding and most creative things is learning it and perfecting the craft

Skipping the whole process is dreadful

[red tiger]

I think the AI trained on that code would need to be admitted.

There's like a bajillion different coding styles in this game.

[vast pier]

I mean if you wrote it yourself, it would probably be actually working

[red tiger]

NGL @frank elbow It'd be funny to post an AI overhaul of music as a mod on the workshop to watch the fireworks.

It'd scratch the chaotic itch I have to see how far the workshop is willing to go to be toxic.

[vivid imp]

Wouldnt call it toxic considering thats the worst idea ive ever heard in my life

Is it toxic to be against things that truly, truly suck

[red tiger]

The idea that people couldn't stand a mod being on the workshop (Without any reason to subscribe & use it), trying to take it down is just the funniest sort of toxicity I could imagine.

[winter bolt]

did i just see someone say they used chatgpt to make ui translation files

[vivid imp]

Yea

Then they said they did a lot of work because they wrote the prompt

Good times

[red tiger]

See that stuff is as funny as people blind-raging about someone doing anything with AI.

[vivid imp]

Says the man who seems to think their ai music is hot shit

[red tiger]

Wait.. Wait a goddamn second lol

I never even said that lol wtf you on about bro?

You're just trying to start stuff

[winter bolt]

not to join the dogpile but saying "we're leaving you behind in the 2020s" while asking for help fixing chatgpt code is incredibly funny

[red tiger]

I messed with Suno. Doesn't mean I sit in the blind cryptobro AI camp now.

Suno is a tool. Use it wisely. Use it well. Doesn't mean it's hot shit if I post something.

It's funny to watch people go off about AI in general.

https://tenor.com/view/let-them-cook-let-them-fight-godzilla-godzilla-2014-meme-gif-10523835079864650811

[silent zealot]

One day we may have an AI model that can generate code which is validated so it's at least 100% syntactically correct and does not call imaginary functions, but current large-language models are not that AI.

[red tiger]

If someone thinks that anyone who uses AI, even once is of that mindset, it says a lot more about that person than the people they're pointing at. =)

[vivid imp]

I absolutely detest AI music and AI art to my very core

[vast pier]

"specifically the lua"

[silent zealot]

I once asked it how to do something in powershell - it gave a very detailed writeup on Get-ThingIWanted, except Get-ThingIWanted did not actually exists. But if it did exist, it would have worked exactly the way ChatGPT described it (consistent with other existing Powershell commands)

[red tiger]

1000% hilarious content.

[vivid imp]

Yeah 'if the thing worked, it would have worked'!

Truly groundbreaking...

[winter bolt]

i can at least understand using gpt to write lua but using it for the zomboid script files is confusing me

to make zomboid script files you literally just copypaste vanilla ones and replace stuff with your own

[vast pier]

Genuinely though Athens I feel like if you just looked around for functions that would simulate what you're wanting and put them together, you would have a much easier time doing it with your 1 week of lua than you would with GPT

[silent zealot]

I use AI generation for some of my mod images - like the backgrounds in these

[vast pier]

Because I would assume you have a functioning brain and aren't just an algorithm fed very specific data and the inability to search for new data

[silent zealot]

Things I'd never actually pay anyone for so there's no loss for artists trying to make a living.

[undone orchid]

sad to see

[vivid imp]

Looks bad

[silent zealot]

Looks better than my drawing skills.

[vivid imp]

At least your drawing skills are your own

[winter bolt]

you could just use screenshots from the game lol

[undone orchid]

is what it is at the end of the day, as an artist see it happen all too often

[vivid imp]

I was shit at Blender a few years ago and im still not great now, but at lwast I spent the time to learn the skill for my icons

[silent zealot]

I do that too - the guy w/ chickens is a hacked up couple of screenshots, the car dashboard, a lot of other mods are easy to show with a screenshot.

Compared to getting AI to write code, at least with an image you can tell what you have and not wonder why it does not work.

[winter bolt]

true

i dont think using ai to write code is morally wrong i just think its really funny seeing people asking for help and then mentioning they got chatgpt to write it lol

[vivid imp]

Its mostly the arrogance of thinking that writing prompts makes you a developer is what does it for me

[silent zealot]

Agree, taking a "this tool can help someone who knows what they are doing" tool and getting it to do everything is a quick way to get issues that are hard to track down.

[silent zealot]

"prompt engineer"

I've seen that used for image generation.

[vivid imp]

The only thing i like ai for is shitposting and thats about it

[silent zealot]

And there is some skill to getting a prompt to deliver what you want, but it's not that hard to learn the quirks of a model and it's a long way short of actual artistic skill.

[vast pier]

Why not just go onto google and look for commons licensed images?

[silent zealot]

Because google will return a bunch of stuff that isn't common licensed.

And ironically, because google results are becoming full of AI crap

[vast pier]

you can filter it to only show specific licenses

[vivid imp]

So how does making more ai crap help

[vast pier]

I will admit, I have used ai generation for creating a few icons for an older mod I have.
But for most use cases that don't have a very particular art style, I try to make my own or use public resources

[silent zealot]

I'm not making webpages written by AI, I'm using it as a layer in an image I created in GIMP

[winter bolt]

breaking fair use laws to make images online is a time honoured tradition

[vivid imp]

Is one truly a mod developer without taking an image somewhat illegally

[winter bolt]

ive been using an illegally obtained font for all of my mods for years💀

[silent zealot]

I try to avoid that - I even put comments in code when I stole built upon the base structure of another mod's code.

[silent zealot]

Like the core loop of the discomfort mod being based on the stable weight mod, but by the time it is done none of teh origianl code is left.

[vast pier]

yeah I think that's just how coding works tho

everyone is branching off everyone else

[silent zealot]

You need to find the image you want and then verify the license, not trust the search results page.

[vast pier]

I mean it's sorted to show creative commons images specifically. I think if anyone got in legal trouble, it would be google not you

[silent zealot]

That's not how copyright law works.

May as well just trust ChatGPT at that point.

[vast pier]

I mean or you could just look through images and then when you find one you're interested in you look at the source

[silent zealot]

Or I can quickly generate what I need with a few billion floating point numbers.

[vast pier]

I mean it's not really just generating it with numbers though is it

[silent zealot]

It is.

[vast pier]

And where did those numbers come from, how does it know what order they should be in?

If it were truly just generating numbers from nothingness, the images would just be visual gibberish

[silent zealot]

That's why GPUs are so much better at it than CPUs, and why there are tradeoffs with different/mixed precision numbers in models.

[silent zealot]

That's actually kinda how each iteration works, with the magic being "and then pick the version that is closest to matching the prompt"

[vast pier]

okay but how does it know that's the closest matching

[silent zealot]

That's the initial training; taking a bunch of images of learning what numbers would make those images.

And doing it in enough combinations that it figures out the different bits, not just recreating original source material

[vast pier]

The main issue comes from where those training images are sources from, and if they were given with permission

[silent zealot]

(also sorry for completely derailing "using ChatGPT to write code is bad" by mentioning image generation)

[silent zealot]

Do you worry about the images a human artist used to learn how to draw?

[vast pier]

I redirected Athens to try looking at the code for a mod I felt would be relevant for what he wants in dms.

[vast pier]

Well no because the difference is the skill to turn the image you see in your brain from looking at it into one you made

image generation is like if you just took the image from your brain and photo copied them

which don't get me wrong, is a genuinely really cool concept. And I don't actually have much issue with the way you're using it yourself. It's mainly an issue for the economy

[silent zealot]

If an image generation model is 8GB is size it's obviuldy not holding copies of all the source images.

[vast pier]

No it wouldn't need to, it could just need to memorize patterns

[silent zealot]

Would have been nice if AI was doing all the shitty menial work so human could write and do art instead.

[vast pier]

I have very little problem with the way you're using it. I just brought up that you didn't have to use ai for what you wanted

[silent zealot]

Fair enough.

[vast pier]

speaking of public use content

https://game-icons.net

[vivid imp]

Oh woah thats sick

[vast pier]

I use this quite often, and if you look through the icons there's a good chance you'll find out some games you know of use it too

[vivid imp]

To thr bookmarks folder it goes

[vast pier]

I used it to make an icon for an unreleased botanist profession mod

[vivid imp]

https://tools.2minutetabletop.com/token-editor/

This is another great image resource for stuff

Its mostly for DnD but you could repurpose it for placeholders which is fun

[vast pier]

https://stash.dokucraft.co.uk

I know it's a minecraft resource, but you could repurpose some of the icons

as far as I know it's public use?

[vivid imp]

Hmmm thats cool too

Ayyy thanks for showing me! Ive been learning Godot and those icons are useful

[vast pier]

some icons definitely have enough pixels to be used in zomboid if you so chose

[vast pier]

yeah! If you know the minecraft mods Thaumcraft or Botania then you'll recognize some of the icons in game-icons.net

[vivid imp]

Its been a while since ive played modded mc lol

[vast pier]

Genuinely once you start looking through the icon choices, you'll start seeing them all over the place

the website is used way more than it's talked about

here's the entire icon sheet

[silent zealot]

Last time I played minecraft was with a group working to build a fusion reactor to power all the machines we had.

[vast pier]

I actually think it would be interesting to replace the zomboid moddles with these

[silent zealot]

Mining rare ore from the nether and building a giant complicated structure that needed very precise placement of blocks...

[vivid imp]

I mostly just played MC mods where i made nuclear generators lmao

[vast pier]

My zomboid mod actually uses an icon from the website
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3399569763

[vivid imp]

Beautiful magic had no place in my energy hellscape

[vast pier]

Thaumcraft makes a great mix tho, since it's artifice

botania on the other hand. That's just a tech mod in disguise, don't let it fool you.

[vast pier]

more icons from the website

[vivid imp]

I mostly just liked Tinkers Construct

Filling the Tinker Tank was super fun

[vast pier]

Tinkers is cool on the surface as a concept, but I grew to dislike it

Might just be because I used to make modpacks, and tinkers is very restrictive outside of itself. And it's also difficult to balance alongside other mods or even vanilla

Base tinkers is just op and I don't like it really

[vivid imp]

Yeah i think the problem i had with modded minecraft is that balance was kinda nonexistent

At least the way i played it

[vast pier]

I have a modpack uploaded to curseforge with like 500 installs, I used to play it a lot and it was curated to how I wanted things balanced

I would continue working on it if I had a better pc

[vivid imp]

I just made railguns and no scoped creepers

[tacit pebble]

I just realized OnPlayerUpdate is not speed up when game is speed up. do you guys already know this?

    if getGameSpeed() == 2 then
        bodyDamage:setFoodSicknessLevel(currentLevel - (currentForce * 5))
        print("5")
    elseif getGameSpeed() == 3 then
        bodyDamage:setFoodSicknessLevel(currentLevel - (currentForce * 20))
        print("20")
    elseif getGameSpeed() == 4 then
        bodyDamage:setFoodSicknessLevel(currentLevel - (currentForce * 40))
        print("40")
    else
        bodyDamage:setFoodSicknessLevel(currentLevel - (currentForce * 1))
        print("1")
    end
end

Events.OnPlayerUpdate.Add(test)

[vivid imp]

What do you mean?

Do you mean that OnPlayerUpdate runs the same amount even at higher speeds

Thats prob for optimization

[tacit pebble]

yep thats what i wanted to say.

[vast pier]

all those icons are from the site

[vivid imp]

Thats dope

I need to get back into game dev ive been hibernating too much this winter lmao