mod_development

[rancid panther]

yea it's [table] [th] and [tr]

and [td] for the cells with the images

[sour island]

For parse script to work you'd need the string to be the contents of a script file

This is actually probably advanced so I can help write it up when I'm home

I was going to suggest something else that's kind of advanced 😅

[fading horizon]

what's up?

[sour island]

Which would be to generate the functions too - so you don't have to maintain those either

[rancid panther]

i love how my mod images are just random screenshots with text added with mspaint

[fading horizon]

||I thought i was almost done||

[sour island]

I prefer to write stuff so I only have to touch 1 thing

Maybe add to a list

[fading horizon]

these are all superb suggestions

defenitely adding them to a list because it would be cool to structure it like that

[sour island]

So ideally for you to add new flavors you would need to just add the texture/name to a list

Assuming their stats are all the same?

[fading horizon]

yeah except the empty one

[sour island]

That's how I structured namedLit

Trying to practice more segmented code writing -- I was able to breeze through a massive overhaul of that mod because of it

[fading horizon]

i should be better at it

rn mine is basically just one lua file

kinda messy

it works tho

[sour island]

1 file is fine, it's more about not being afraid of making multiple functions

[fading horizon]

and it has comments so nobody can yell at me

:v)

[sour island]

A good indicator I use is if there's any repeated code it could probably be it's own function

[fading horizon]

while you're here I have another question

local opt = context:addOption("Vape", isVape, callVapeAction, playerObj)

Right now i add my context menu like this

it adds it to the bottom of the stack

do you know of a way to move that to the normal "eat" position

like move it up in the stack

i'm not sure how to even google that one

i was checking iscontextmenu.lua but didn't see anything

[rancid panther]

how does the vanilla cigarette handle it?

[fading horizon]

food item with custom context menu parameter i believe

    {
        DisplayCategory = Junk,
        Count    =    20,
        HungerChange    =    0,
        Weight    =    0.005,
        RequireInHandOrInventory    =    Matches/Lighter,
        Type    =    Food,
        DisplayName    =    Cigarettes,
        StressChange    =    -5,
        Icon    =    IckySticks,
 >>>>>  CustomContextMenu = Smoke,
        CantBeFrozen = TRUE,
        OnEat = OnEat_Cigarettes,
        StaticModel = Cigarette,
        EatType = Cigarettes,
        WorldStaticModel = CigarettePack_Ground,
        CustomEatSound = ,
    }```

yeah

that's how

but mine is a completely new context menu

wait theres an insertOptionAfter

i'm just blind

[sour island]

There's other addOption functions

One is for addToTop, here's another for add before/after another specific option by name

[fading horizon]

there's also a way to make the tooltip a different color, right?

[neon bronze]

In its rgb values yes

[fading horizon]

do you know the function?

[neon bronze]

Its a member of it

You should be able to just alter it

[fading horizon]

right now the tooltip is just set in the item definition script

not in lua

idk how to set a tooltip in lua

[neon bronze]

Do you wqnt your option to have a specific color?

[fading horizon]

yes

[neon bronze]

Im looking through ISContextMenu but there is no option to specifically change an options color

You could set a new background color and a new background color on mouse over

[fading horizon]

LOG : General , 1680184445003> ERROR: Missing translation "-- Out of juice"

this is in relation to the item script parameter

Tooltip = -- Out of juice,

how do I get that to stop?

I tried setting the tooltip in a lua function via a translation instead but it still gave me the error

[tidal crystal]

hey, so dumb question

I'm making my first mod

and I'm trying to override the base game Frog item

This works for changing the icon but the display name stays as Frog

[reef karma]

would you need to create a translation var like UI_xx_out_of_Juice = whatever and then use that var instead of the actual string?

Prob wrong and made no sense but that is what i had to do with mine to fix the translation errors i had

[fading horizon]

okay try this

set a parameter onCreate = frogSpawn

in media\lua\server create a new .lua file

in that put

function frogSpawn(item)
  item:setDisplayName("Unidentified Frog");
end

this makes it so every time a frog is spawned, the frogspawn function is called on that specific frog, which is then renamed to "Unidentified Frog"

[tidal crystal]

thank u sm! I’ll give it a go

[fading horizon]

sounds like a cool mod already btw

i like it

i like frog

[red tiger]

=(

[sour island]

You cannot change the tooltips contents aside from the text

But you can mimic it alongside it

I also do this for named Literature

To spoof the color values for literature since my mod makes them all 0

[red tiger]

b42 feature when?

Sounds like something that's a consistent ask here in the mod dev chat.

[sour island]

Yeah, Konijima wrote a tooltip API for the former community project

I'd have to ask him if I can use it for it's spiritual successor

What I do in namedLit is hijack the tooltip render and stretch the box down based on font heights and lines, then fill the area with text rendering

[red tiger]

I'm saying that this shouldn't need a hacky workaround if simple changes are made in the vanilla code.

[sour island]

Yes, but in the meantime we can flex our modding skills

[tidal crystal]

Thanks! Current plan is for it to turn frogs into mystery box style collectibles

[sour island]

Also the hackish part of stretching is due to me wanting to keep the vanilla box

[tidal crystal]

with maybe eventually pocket kitten style pet features

[sour island]

It would be more stable if I just added a box below

[red tiger]

I mean.. sure? I think it's a flex when your time is spent modding what you're actually modding.

[sour island]

Fair, but pragmatically theyre working on other stuff that is new content

Stuff that's good in the end is still pushed back if outwardly no changes can be seen

[fading horizon]

Okay that's it

[red tiger]

Simple fixes and documentation are current items and actively being worked on. I think now's the right time to request an improvement in this area.

[fading horizon]

I'm spending today learning to understand that damn mod down to the detail

Because it keeps being relevant to what I need to do

It at least got the context menu in the correct location now

[red tiger]

Been too busy to work on any PZ projects this week..

[tidal crystal]

hey, I'm sure I've done something dumb but do you have any idea why this would happen when I try to spawn a frog?

[fading horizon]

show me the frogspawn function

copy & paste

[tidal crystal]

function frogSpawn(item)
item:setDisplayName("Unidentified Frog");
end

[sour island]

Look for the error line

Under the files

"tried to call nil" means what ever you're calling doesn't exist

[fading horizon]

hmm

that's strange

[neon bronze]

How do you parse the function?

[sour island]

Didn't someone yesterday say setDisplayName is a script function?

[fading horizon]

lmfao

yes

and it was me

use setName instead

[sour island]

You want "setName()"

[fading horizon]

ive crammed too much into my brain in a short amount of time

[sour island]

Get pz-libraries

It cuts down on how much you have to remember

[tidal crystal]

Thank u all sm!! That worked

[reef karma]

is there a way to check current zombie population?

[fading horizon]

@sour island I'm digging through your named lit mod for the tooltip stuff right now

you put a ton of work into this

good job

[kindred dagger]

Can you add an already cooked item to loot tables? I know you can find cooked meat in ovens but looking at ProceduralDistributions.lua I can't figure out how they did it.

[frank elbow]

Not at home to take a look, but the meat in the oven may be a random "story" from the Java side. There are a few hard-coded (but randomized) "table stories" that define stuff like breakfast on tables; might be smth like that for the oven if you can't find it in the Lua code

[kindred dagger]

Mhmmm I'd have to decompile some java then?

[frank elbow]

To look through it and see if that's the case, yes. Dunno whether there's a way to do what you want, but that'd provide insight

[kindred dagger]

Aight. Just gotta find the file that contains these "stories"

[frank lintel]

fernflower FTW

[kindred dagger]

Found it but it's a java function to make the food cooked directly. Mhmmm.

[bronze yoke]

you could add the uncooked item to the loot table and give it an oncreate to make it cooked

[frank lintel]

stuff spawns cooked so should be possible

[sour island]

Could be done in item spawning

[kindred dagger]

Basically I want to add cooked canned foods in kitchens

[sour island]

Stories are handled separately afaik

Can stuff be cooked in fridges?

[kindred dagger]

Not that I know of, I'm sifting through distributions

But you can find cooked meat in ovens and that's not in there

[frank lintel]

dang bro how much dab you hit?

[sour island]

You could handle it via onFill I guess

[frank lintel]

Ive seen a sauce pot with something cooked in it on top of an oven before

[sour island]

That's a "story" if it's a world item

[kindred dagger]

So "stories" are like tables with food on it

[drifting ore]

I have an idea for a mod, I was thinking of a mod that lets you sharpen knives with a sharpener sharpening increases condition and the lower the condition the less damage it does. Sharpening would become less affective after 15 times and would have a chance to damage the knife instead after that point. Dm if you can’t help. I can model and shit

[kindred dagger]

I've seen a few sharpening mods in the workshop before, might be a good start

[drifting ore]

Could you aid me? I have no idea how to use the workshop jaja

[kindred dagger]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/workshop/

You can look for mods here

[drifting ore]

Well I know that I just don’t know the inner workings

@sour island I shot you a dm a bit back

[frank lintel]

does some spring cleaning and turns their amps up to 1kw and blows off some of the dust from his speakers

[drifting ore]

Any workshop people dm me to aid me

[tribal shuttle]

does anyone know if loot table values less than 1 actually work? my testing is suggesting that they are just getting rounded up to 1

[sour island]

You mean for chance?

[tribal shuttle]

yes

the default table is full of values less than 1, but the results are suggesting to me that they all get rounded up

[sour island]

They sort of do, rolls means the change is repeated

• other factors

[kindred dagger]

If it was rounded up you'd see a lot more of these 0.001 rifles in houses

[tribal shuttle]

eh, i see a lot of rifles as is

[kindred dagger]

Although, speaking of that, I'm finding way more gun cases than loot tables would have me think

[tribal shuttle]

1 is 1%, and most containers have 4 rolls on each item. so that's about a ~4% chance per viable container, which is usually one per bedroom. that sounds about right to what ive seen

bear in mind the loot settings you use

[kindred dagger]

Guns in wardrobes are 0.05% * 4 it shouldn't be so common

[tribal shuttle]

and yet they are?

[kindred dagger]

Yeah. Weird

Maybe it's because you have like 5 different gun cases that can spawn lol

[tribal shuttle]

I've already done some testing that backs up my claim.

[tribal shuttle]

i dont really understand what you mean

the loot table i made is working fine. the problem ive got now is that it generates too much! and changing the item probabilities from 0.1 to 0.0001 doesn't seem to change the number of items generated at all.

[sour island]

Some tables in the distro might have rolls of more than 1

Distros get re-ran for each roll

[kindred dagger]

OnCreate might work for my pre-cooked thing. Just have to make sure that it only does that when the item is in a specific container

[tribal shuttle]

number of rolls doesnt really account for what im seeing

id expect that if i reduce an items probability by 100 fold that id see 100 fold fewer items generated. but instead i see the exact same number regardless

[drifting ore]

I have an idea for a mod, I was thinking of a mod that lets you sharpen knives with a sharpener sharpening increases condition and the lower the condition the less damage it does. Sharpening would become less affective after 15 times and would have a chance to damage the knife instead after that point. Dm if you can’t help. I can model and shit. dm if you can help

[sour island]

That's one way to do it

You could also do It on prefill

The event for when loot is "found"

[bronze yoke]

i'm hoping oncreate is called after the item has been added to the container, otherwise it's going to make stuff like this a lot more annoying

[kindred dagger]

I don't think I've ever seen that in the code?

[frank lintel]

my brain when I think I seen or havent ever seen something in PZ 'code'

[kindred dagger]

Never really bothered with events

But that sounds like a good place to search

(Where is it located?)

[frank lintel]

and down the rabit hole ya go.

[kindred dagger]

Never to be seen again

[frank lintel]

while ya down there keep an eye out for when the jumpscare event is triggered

[kindred dagger]

Considering I have the gnome alert mod I'm probs gonna get gnomed

[frank lintel]

and whats even more f'd up I still cant find the jumpscare sound either...

[sour island]

You could look for events.onprefillcontainer.add I believe

[bronze yoke]

chuck's referring to OnFillContainer

[sour island]

Or that lol

Not at a PC atm

Also you may need to run OnAge() or something -- ages stuff to rotten based on world time

[bronze yoke]

it isn't

[sour island]

OnCreate is anytime the item is created for the first time or even when loaded?

[frank lintel]

would think so...

[bronze yoke]

well i got 800 errors upon loading because i expected the container to exist, so let's see if i get 800 more when i reload

[sour island]

Oh he means its ran before it's added to the world

[kindred dagger]

I just wanted cooked food to spawn in kitchens what have I gotten myself into

[sour island]

That sucks lol

[bronze yoke]

yeah, i was hoping to use it to simplify the whole dummy item thing i've been doing

[sour island]

OnCreate should be reserved for things specific to only that item not it's location then

Dummy items?

Script replacements?

[bronze yoke]

it's sort of a patchwork solution for the way item spawns work, i wrote it for a true music extension and it's seen use in a pony mod too

[sour island]

I mentioned this as a suggestion this morning - great minds I guess

[bronze yoke]

the idea is add one item to the table and replace it with a random item from a list instead of having hundreds of items in the probabilities table

[sour island]

So it's a way to have control over variations with out adding more scripts?

[frank lintel]

whispers join the dark side...

[sour island]

Ah

[bronze yoke]

it can be used for that too, but at the moment it's just being used to control spawn rates

[sour island]

OnFill would be better then I assume

[bronze yoke]

yeah, the problem is onfill doesn't get called for zombie corpses and patchwork solutions i've been using to get around that have all fallen apart in multiplayer

[kindred dagger]

Where is OnFill found in the code?

[sour island]

Uhh you could call on inventory drawing

[bronze yoke]

that's what i've been doing but it's not working in multiplayer

[sour island]

That's odd - changes to modData and items works for me

[bronze yoke]

i don't really get why myself

[sour island]

Corpses might have a particular weirdness to them

[frank lintel]

wait till ya meet player corpses

[bronze yoke]

maybe if i complain on the forums they'll add the event to corpses for b42 😅

[kindred dagger]

Nope no idea where to find these events

[bronze yoke]

most people just use this guide https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding:Lua_Events

it's a tiny bit outdated but it's mostly pretty reliable

[kindred dagger]

Oh, that'll help. Thanks.

[fading horizon]

is there a way to remove the top box

where it has the name and encumbrance and such

so I can just only show the custom box below it

[kindred dagger]

So OnFillContainer is applied when the container is filled by the game?

[sour island]

You could override the vanilla tooltip render to not run on specific items

[fading horizon]

that's what i'm trying to do currently

[upbeat night]

Hello, everyone!
There is a slightly specific question: can anyone help me with checking the mod I generate with AI ?
I don't know English and for some reason I can't understand programming at all, so I'm resorting to such methods and can't check this code properly myself.
P.S. I'm Russian, so I'll be glad if there is someone who can help me in this language. But I can also communicate through a translator. I apologize for any inconveniences on this subject, if any.
Have a nice day, everyone!

[fading horizon]

local oldRender = ISToolTipInv.render
function ISToolTipInv:render()
    if not ISContextMenu.instance or not ISContextMenu.instance.visibleCheck then
        local item = self.item
        if itemTypes[item:getFullType()] then 
            injectTooltip(item,self)
            oldRender(self)
        end
    else
        oldRender(self)
    end
end```


```lua
local function injectTooltip(slotsTypes,self)
    local fontSize = getCore():getOptionTooltipFont();
    local th = self.tooltip:getHeight();
    local height = fontConfig[fontSize].y*(5)           
    self:setY(self.tooltip:getY()+th);
    self:setHeight(height);
    self:drawRect(0, 0, self.width, self.height+10, self.backgroundColor.a,         self.backgroundColor.r, self.backgroundColor.g, self.backgroundColor.b);
    self:drawRectBorder(0, 0, self.width, self.height+10, self.borderColor.a,       self.borderColor.r, self.borderColor.g, self.borderColor.b);
    local x = 15
    local y = th+5
    local gap = 5

self.tooltip:DrawText(self.tooltip:getFont(), "THIS IS A TEST", 5, y, 1,1,0.8,self.borderColor.a);

[neon bronze]

Do you wanna swap the places for the tooltip boxes?

[sour island]

Where it says inject tooltip

You're calling the original

[fading horizon]

[sour island]

If you comment that out the original won't render

[fading horizon]

i need to go to bed

i just keep getting the "i need to fix one last thing first" energy

thank you very much

[tidal crystal]

Could anyone walk me through how Obsolete:true and Override:true works?

I’m trying to overwrite the Slice Frog recipe but I’m not sure how to insert the Obsolete:true

[fast galleon]

#mod_development message
recipe yeet

[tidal crystal]

Ooh thanks, I’ll take a look!

[red tiger]

Will try to work on the formatter for ZedScript this weekend.

[bronze yoke]

i don't think you need to use the yeeter for that

you just need to add Override:true into your recipe

[red tiger]

Maybe I can sit down and flesh out the documentation for Item properties.

[tidal crystal]

This is what I've got

My problem is that if I go onto Frog there's two Slice Frog options

[red tiger]

Do you use VSCode?

[bronze yoke]

missing comma

[tidal crystal]

oh!

sorry I'm v stupid

[tardy wren]

where was the module person

[frank elbow]

Oh my god. I said I dread this happening, like, yesterday

[tidal crystal]

nope, what's that?

[bronze yoke]

yeah seeing that made me

[frank elbow]

#mod_development message

[red tiger]

Laugh. I love and welcome seeing that actually.

[frank elbow]

We're here. We're in the dark future

[red tiger]

The chaos will be delicious.

[red tiger]

Oh ok. I saw your screenshots and thought it was VSCode.

[tidal crystal]

oh it's Atom, just because it's a text editor I already had installed for Ren'Py

I should probably get Notepad++

[red tiger]

You and other new modders are the target of a VSCode extension that's a WIP right now for helping with scripts.

That's all.

[tidal crystal]

oooooh, thanks for letting me know

that sounds v useful

[red tiger]

Been a project for the past couple months.

Its syntax highlighting and partial documentation should help people for the moment while other features gets implemented.

[tardy wren]

Does anybody know what event fires when a player connects to the server?

Or possibly what chain of events fire

[red tiger]

I believe it's only client-side. If so, you'll need to send a clientcommand to the server to make your own event. I could be wrong though.

Haven't launched the game since early January.

[tardy wren]

Oh... Hmmm, That would make it... Well, more throughput requiring, but mkay

Just a bit of extra code then

So, what events do I need to hook into?

[frank elbow]

Are you looking for when they connect, or when they spawn?

[tardy wren]

I'm not sure which one would be better for my case

I need to send down Sandbox options to them

Not sure when the game is ready to receive those

I already know the functions I need to call, I just need to know when to do it

I plan to buffed the calls, so that several players joining wouldn't result in several calls

[frank elbow]

Gotcha. I think I ended up using OnCreatePlayer for that use case recently, but I think you'd probably be fine with OnConnect. I had chosen to do it when spawning because I thought I needed the player for sending a client command associated with the connection (later found out that's not the case)

I'm curious as to what your method is. I'm still not entirely satisfied with how I did it. Haven't released the mod that uses that quite yet

[tardy wren]

Well, I found out that the power grid fixing mod is triggering the sandbox settings update

So I just cracked that mod and found how they did it... And did that

[frank elbow]

I'll check that mod out then, thanks

[tardy wren]

It's just instancing a new SandboxOptions object, copying values from the current one(maybe adjusting something), then sending it to server... All on the server;s side

[frank lintel]

cracked? o.O

[tardy wren]

Glyth3r was signed there, so... @ancient grail thanks

[frank elbow]

I thought that was an interesting word choice too lol

[tardy wren]

Sorry, Just had some... pain issues

[frank lintel]

unless this is .class stuff then that kinda applies

[tardy wren]

Back pain,. Also the unsynchronized settings has been a pain in the *** for the past several weeks

I went on a week-long charade trying to find why the duct tape on our server sometimes had 16 uses and sometimes it had 4

I fixed the damn holes in the back

[bronze yoke]

onconnect is no good

[frank elbow]

I do hope a fix for that is included in b42

[bronze yoke]

it's called long before client commands start working

[frank lintel]

ah the hopes of the usage of ---@async

[frank elbow]

Ah dang

[red tiger]

And that's why I use a timeout.

[red tiger]

Unless TIS makes it so you can execute Lua code on another thread, that won't happen. =/

[tardy wren]

Oh, so... How should I detect when a player connects?

[frank lintel]

no but you can make sure coders know it ^_^

[frank elbow]

We do have coroutines, at least, but I have never used them in a PZ context

So no idea how they work or if they work & not looking to find out anytime soon

[red tiger]

Unfortunately that only chops up execution of code into ticks.

[frank elbow]

Yeah

[red tiger]

Pro tip: Render code for UI Lua code is on the main thread too.

It uses the same sprite cache renderer as the game's world.

[tardy wren]

Isn't there an option to... Render it separately or something?

[frank lintel]

why likely they have that fps limiter for UI offscreen so it dont go nutz

[red tiger]

The game's code has become too fragile to try to move to a multi-threaded solution so easily.

This is why none of that has happened yet. =)

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[red tiger]

lol @ ad

[frank lintel]

I was just pointing out that atleast using that in documentation sense anyone looking to use it knows 'there might be a nice delay here...' plan on that.

[bronze yoke]

you're posting a whole ad in here 😟

[frank elbow]

Sounds handy but those text walls sound very corporate lol

Is it a mod or a business plan

[tardy wren]

Can I counter-ad?

[frank lintel]

no pls dont.

[tardy wren]

Okay

So I ask again...

[tardy wren]

Can you recommend me how I should detect when a player connects to the game server?

[bronze yoke]

i ended up doing it on the first player update

[red tiger]

This game is way too small to have corporate-speak in the mod channel.

[tardy wren]

I... I see

So onPlayerUpdate I do a thing, and then remove it from that event?

[wheat kraken]

sorry :/ as we are missing UX people, it is important to forment an show more UX contributions

[bronze yoke]

yeah, that's what i did

[tardy wren]

that part is gonna be harder than the actual syncing part huh

[red tiger]

Also, when did mod groups become a thing in PZ?

Might as well ask.

[bronze yoke]

it seemed very abrupt recently

[red tiger]

I have my personal org but it isn't focused to do actual business.

[tardy wren]

Wait, are modders unionizing

[red tiger]

I know MC did a lot of this in recent years as a sort of business approach but man all the ones I tried out were abysmal.

But for PZ?

[tardy wren]

I'm just modding with focus on our server... And oh god my meds ended

[red tiger]

That sort of terrifies me.

[frank lintel]

tbh I totally ignored that...

[red tiger]

People come to me for comms and I refer them to others but to make a business with PZ right now?

Wait until b42.

[bronze yoke]

i didn't think the market was big enough for it to be worthwhile

[red tiger]

The last opportunity was in 2022.

[frank lintel]

oh you didnt get the whole opinion of the support for modders rating ads be happy

[red tiger]

I think I did like 8-10 commissions last year?

[frank elbow]

Are there many mod groups? I've only seen Glytch3r's and what I assumed were just collabs from others

[red tiger]

I mean I thought his group was like Konijima's group.. Until he tried to sub-contract me for something.

(Which I don't)

[frank elbow]

I didn't know Konijima had a group either, huh

Unless I've misunderstood that message

[bronze yoke]

well i imagine it's not active anymore

[red tiger]

It wasn't focused on comms and paid work AFAIK.

[tardy wren]

huh... I mod a bit with UdderlyEvelyn, but it's mostly helping out for her server

[frank elbow]

Gotcha, so nowadays y'all are observing a shift to what seems more business-focused

[tardy wren]

No money, just... satisfaction

[frank elbow]

I guess I haven't been paying enough attention lol

[red tiger]

I mean.. chaos is a good currency.

[drifting ore]

I can aid in modeling in yours if you need help

[red tiger]

Thanks for the offer. Right now focused on building modding tools for the modders.

[drifting ore]

If you ever need help just hit me up g

[red tiger]

Damnit.. I haven't really made a content mod.

10 years and still no release of something that actually provides gameplay content.

[frank elbow]

I'm sure you hear this plenty already—I hope, anyway—but leaning into being a tools dev is noble

[fading horizon]

making this custom tooltip is going to be the death of me

[frank elbow]

I just make stuff that's like "I want this and I haven't seen an implementation of it/haven't seen one that I'm satisfied with"

[red tiger]

Hey. Thanks! I find it to be more fun on its own.

I also think it's funny how I haven't launched PZ since January and I know that somehow I'm helping people out.

Also, you are more than welcome to hop onboard with the ZedScript extension. I wrote a mini API so people can populate the documentation for script properties.

https://github.com/asledgehammer/ZedScript-VSCode/tree/main/src/scope

[frank elbow]

Might contribute at some point (I tend to say things like that and then never do so & that could very well be the case here)

[red tiger]

Don't worry.

It's how things go.

We all do it.

I'm currently mostly concerned with implementing diagnostics support for the extension.

[fast galleon]

have you found examples?

[frank elbow]

So people can see when they're specifying invalid values, or leaving off a comma/bracket? Sounds handy

[red tiger]

Exactly.

[fading horizon]

yes

ive got it //working//

just formatting it and such is a pain in the ass

just a lot of reloading and trying stuff out

[red tiger]

I really hope though that people do benefit from this work.

I stopped my personal project because people won't stop asking questions about scripting in here.. usually the same problems.

[twilit rune]

More workshop related question. How to add images to the description?
I use [img]link[/img]
But, instead of image I need, i get this small image

[fast galleon]

it does that when you have a bad link or a file type it doesn't support

[fading horizon]

use imgur to host it

or steam itself

it doesn't support most other things from my testing

even the official TIS forum

lol

[twilit rune]

Then how to add image/link from indie stone mod permissions thread?

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/2530-mod-permissions/

[fading horizon]

it doesn't work

i just went through that

youll have to host that image somewhere else if you want it

i ended up just doing this

[twilit rune]

Understood. Thx

[fading horizon]

[code]This mod's permissions fall under TIS's policy [url=http://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php/topic/2530-mod-permissions/?p=36477]Credit Where It's Due[/url]

You are free to use the mod for personal use, in multiplayer servers, and even include it in mod packs! Just please do not redistribute or reutilize the files of this mod elsewhere without permission ❤. 

This mod can be added to and extended by anyone in the community, but credit must be given to the original author within the files of the mod - and posted alongside the mod wherever it roams.
[/code]```

code if you want it

[tidal crystal]

just wanted to say thanks to everyone who helped me out today

Frog mod basics are up and working!

[fading horizon]

Yay! Nicely done!

[frank elbow]

Maybe the image thing is a quirk with that format vs the [img=URL][/img] one?

[fast galleon]

huh wait

[frank elbow]

Oh, nevermind then 😄 that was a guess; I haven't used images in descriptions

Does it not work?

Now I don't know what to believe

[fast galleon]

no it only showed up in mx's tool

[frank elbow]

Ah, gotcha

[fast galleon]

usually it goes the other way around

[kindred dagger]

Alright, I got my thing to work. OnFillContainer event was the key

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091075653467652096/1091082929746219069/image.png

Still debating whether or not having jars give you back their lid is balanced or not.

[fast galleon]

to balance it, require 10 strength to open jar

[kindred dagger]

Strong Fire Officers: "Am I a joke to you"

A better way to do it would be to add more lid spawns to the game since they're so bloody rare.

[frank elbow]

I think a separate "jar with lid" item would make sense, too. Surely some people would keep the lid with the empty jar (my mom does some jarring & I believe she keeps most lids on the jars)

The lid could be removed from that item, of course

[rancid panther]

the same way you would add an image normally. just get the image address by right clicking

[twilit rune]

Could you share some details? None method helped me so far

[rancid panther]

[img]imgurl.png[/img]

right click the picture and copy image address

[twilit rune]

Idk, it doesn't work for me

[rancid panther]

can you copy exactly what you are typing and send it here

if you are copying the link it will not work. it has to be the image address

[kindred dagger]

Depends on the model, and it's hard to tell in this game. But there are lids reusable for many years if you're careful enough. And many years in PZ might as well be infinite!

I'll make lids reusable for now and see how it goes. If it's too strong, then, I'll remove or make it a % chance to break the lid.

[twilit rune]

[img]https://projectzomboid.com/images/MODS_03.png[/img]

[kindred dagger]

Don't have to use tags in Discord it's usually displayed correctly

https://projectzomboid.com/images/MODS_03.png

[twilit rune]

We are trying to figure oout what I do wrong in Steam

[kindred dagger]

workshop descriptions?

[rancid panther]

yes

[twilit rune]

Yep

[kindred dagger]

Oh I'm not familiar with that then, but it should work with [img][/img]?

[rancid panther]

i think you need to use a dif image address

try copying the image address from someone else who used the image in their mod

or upload it urself privately and use that image address

[kindred dagger]

Host it to imgur or something and then use that

[rancid panther]

u should host it on steam

[drifting ore]

@twilit rune check DMs g

[fading horizon]

we already told you

that image doesn't work as an image for steam workshop description

like specifically that image

i tried all the variations back when I was uploading my mods

if you want that image, it must be hosted elsewhere

[twilit rune]

Its same for me with any other pics

[glass basalt]

I posted Imgur links in Mod Resources, it's already done for you

[fading horizon]

try imgur as a host

[glass basalt]

Check it

[fading horizon]

most hosts I tried didn't work

only reliable hosts were imgur and steam itself

[rancid panther]

my images work fine thru steam

so steam and imgur it is

[glass basalt]

Here is the link again https://imgur.com/gallery/YI54Od0

[spring wind]

I wanna make a mod where I can specify a list of items and have those items get highlighted in corpse inventories. I thought a good place to start was cooking and freezxing - they change the color of inventory UI elements - but I couldn't find where that happens in code. It feels like it would be a Lua thing instead of a Java thing.

[rancid panther]

wow and u even have the bbcode prepared for them

how neat

[rancid panther]

many ppl seem to look for the ui recoloring and i've never seen someone come back and say they figured it out

[twilit rune]

Appreciate a lot

[spring wind]

I figured out how to use grep to find the location of an item in the world and people told me finding that info at all was impossible. It was surprisingly easy.

I think I found a loose loop in ISInventoryPage.lua and will post back here if I find anything

[fading horizon]

ive decided

[rancid panther]

good luck!

[fading horizon]

i'm making a workshop description formatting guide

because its coming up so frequently

[drifting ore]

Are you a modder?

[fading horizon]

May I add this to the guide

[spring wind]

LOL I am now

[drifting ore]

Do you mod items and stuff?

[reef karma]

please lmao. we all wanna make it look but aint got the power

[spring wind]

More like a padawan modder. I literally just started today but I have tons of programming knowledge and experience.

[fast galleon]

https://mxswat.github.io/pz-description-editor/

[fading horizon]

holy shit

based

[frank elbow]

There is an existing steam guide for the format, but it doesn't have everything

[drifting ore]

Can you colab with one on a mod? It’s pretty simple one.

[reef karma]

who made this?

[spring wind]

Not yet, no, I don't have enough knowledge to contribute. Maybe after I try my hand at this one.

[fast galleon]

mx

[drifting ore]

Ok!

[frank elbow]

https://steamcommunity.com/comment/Recommendation/formattinghelp

[rancid panther]

woah horizontal rule! i needed that!

[frank elbow]

@fading horizon may prove useful, if you haven't already seen this

[fading horizon]

thanks for pulling up all the resources y'all

this helps a lot

hopefully this guide will be of use

[frank elbow]

Something to note with the HR + most of those is that when using them via workshop.txt it adds a br for each line. I place it at the end/beginning of a line to avoid that

[reef karma]

can someone pin that pz editor?

[spring wind]

Does the PZ dev team know "separation of concerns" and "single responsibility principle" are things and not just things but things that generally help you when practiced?

[bronze yoke]

they probably do but didn't ten years ago

[spring wind]

I say that not as a dig at them or anything like that. It's just evident looking at the Lua code, seeing UI setup right alongside logic/etc. It helps me understand why progress on this game has fairly slow-going - just finding where something happens in code is a heavy cognitive process.

On that note - I found these luaexamples but they're not commented very well. It feels like some comments detailing why particular things are there would make them more helpful.

RE: updating the colors in inventories - I'm getting closer. updateTimers feels like the right place for that sort of thing because then you can update the Cooked stat for the item alongside increasing the amount of red/blue to account for cooking/freezing.

[tidal crystal]

new dumb question

does anyone know why this item always spawns with 0 PoisonPower

[rancid panther]

do you have herbalist

or you spawn it knowing it is poison

[tidal crystal]

I'm spawning it knowing it is poison

[spring wind]

My guess would be a mod overwriting it?

[tidal crystal]

but when I edit the item in debug I can see it's 0 PoisonPower instead of 75

I'm not using any mods besides the one I'm working on

[glass basalt]

Add what tho

[fading horizon]

the imgur link

with those images

actually i'm just gonna put the images in the document itself

[glass basalt]

It's in #1070852229654917180 if that's what you're referring to

[tidal crystal]

Oh! Update! I’ve figured out it’s poisonous if I spawn it in, but if I get it through a recipe (Slice Frog on a poisonous frog) it’s not

this is the recipe but I'm still not sure on what's removing the poison

[fast galleon]

@spring wind
if item:isIsCookable() and not item:isFrozen() and item:getHeat() > 1.6 then

[spring wind]

I JUST FOUND THAT hahaha - thank you confirming that.

[glass basalt]

Ah you meant the formatting guide. Go ahead

[fast galleon]

I wasn't sure exactly where it was, but I remembered seeing it

[spring wind]

Wait not that line precisely - but thats super close

its the same block of code

I'm surprised they don't use more constants? .... does Lua even have constants?

[fast galleon]

I'm sure you can do that with metatables

[bronze yoke]

lua doesn't have constants

[reef karma]

hey guys, i am trying to create a new texture for zombie and have that zombie spawn with a less % than the others. would I have to make my own model for that as well ? Not too sure how the texture modding works yet

[small topaz]

if you want to arrange things so that only certain zombies have that texture and spawn less frequently than other zeds, you probably have to make that texture a clothing item somehow

[glass basalt]

Yeah, textures are universal, you'd have to make a new type of zombie, set it to the new texture, and have that randomly spawn

[rancid panther]

is there a command to turn off the power besides changing the power shutoff day to before current day?

[reef karma]

i assume i just gotta struggle with it?
cant find much on subject

[glass basalt]

Tbh i don't know anything about zombie code, you should look at some mods that add new zombie types to see what they do

[reef karma]

yea i have been. it is quite hard to know what they do without knowing anything about it lol

i spawned the new models but they only spawn naked xD and my texture doesnt apply

[fast galleon]

There's the setHydroPowerOn from IsoWorld, not sure how persistent it is though.

[fading horizon]

Formatting guide is going well so far

it of course has to be formatted nicely

[small topaz]

you could also try the renderdetails() function in ISInventoryPane.lua

[rancid panther]

i see

how can i decompile those files to read in vscode

[fast galleon]

I've been using this one.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2748451514

https://github.com/Konijima/PZ-Libraries

[rancid panther]

thanks!

[drifting ore]

Are you a modder?

[glass basalt]

Everyone who frequents here is a modder - the question is why are YOU asking?

[drifting ore]

I want to colab in a mod with someone

[glass basalt]

Lay it out then, got any ideas?

[drifting ore]

Yes

[drifting ore]

I have the synopsis here “I have an idea for a mod, I was thinking of a mod that lets you sharpen knives with a sharpener sharpening increases condition and the lower the condition the less damage it does. Sharpening would become less affective after 15 times and would have a chance to damage the knife instead after that point.”

[rancid panther]

i dont have any expertise in what you are looking for

[glass basalt]

Hmm pretty basic in terms of execution. I don't have any experience with weapon items though. I think if you start on it yourself, and just ask questions in this channel, all sorts of people might be able to answer and help

[shut oar]

this might be a silly question, but is there any documentation for the zomboid Lua API, because I have not found any

[bronze yoke]

https://projectzomboid.com/modding/

[shut oar]

thank youuuu

[thorny pollen]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding:Lua_Events

[shut oar]

thank you toooo

[tidal crystal]

Hey, does anyone know how pocket kittens allows users to rename the cat items

I’ve been looking through its code but I can’t figure it out

[hot patrol]

Not sure but you can name them and everything else with the mod "everything has a name"

[drifting ore]

CAn anyone help me with a mod

Colab

[frank elbow]

There's a thread for mod ideas @stuck saffron

[drifting ore]

Been

NEEB

I HAVE A GOOD IDEA

[frank elbow]

You'll probably get more responses with a bit more detail

[drifting ore]

DM ME

@stuck saffron I HAVE A GOOD MOD IDEA

[stuck saffron]

i don't know anything about making mods 😭

[frank elbow]

I'm directing them because they had an idea in pz-chat

That's certainly a method for trying to get people to collab, I suppose 😅

[tidal crystal]

Thank you!

[stuck saffron]

just wanted to know how hard it is to
A) make a TV station repeat it's shows endlessly on the day loop like they play out the first week.
B) Interject new movies/shows and stuff into the already preexisting TV channels as more shows that can play out.

[drifting ore]

I need someone to make a mod with me ,I can do all the modeling and stuff. I have the synopsis here “I have an idea for a mod, I was thinking of a mod that lets you sharpen knives with a sharpener sharpening increases condition and the lower the condition the less damage it does. Sharpening would become less affective after 15 times and would have a chance to damage the knife instead after that point.”

[bronze yoke]

i think A is just setting some flags, but B is a huge pain

[shut oar]

In debug mode while in game can I easily reload a Lua file, or reopen the debugger menu stuff like when you first load a save?

[thorny pollen]

f11

[drifting ore]

and the whetstone model, the magazine model, the inventory icon, animations, and the dull knife varient icons and models.

[shut oar]

thanks

[drifting ore]

I tried that, not a big fan

I want mine to be simple and and not over powered, I want it to just apply to short blades and long blades

Or axes

Not axes*

[reef karma]

cant you just modify the existing mod (ask for permission and credit him) ?

[drifting ore]

Hmm I suppose

[drifting ore]

Idk how to mod tho

[reef karma]

and that is ok but the way i see it is this. you can't really colab with someone on making a mod if you dont know how.
I would just pay someone to make the mod

[drifting ore]

I can model tho

[frank lintel]

If I asked someone to define and/or point me to what a string is etc for Lua. what would be your answer?

[bronze yoke]

modellers working with programmers is a fair exchange, you just need to find someone interested on working on it

[reef karma]

i would call it fair if it was the equivalent amount of work.
I am not saying that this mod is not.
But you can't say it is fair if one person makes one model and the other one makes a full fledge revamp with such single model

[bronze yoke]

'dude it's just a string'

[frank lintel]

dude there a reason Im asking. because you likely would not be pointing me to the java 15 javadoc page for string would you?

[bronze yoke]

i'm saying that's what my answer would be

[frank lintel]

okay html that to a link. I'll put that in :P

[bronze yoke]

if you're curious about the lua string library, it's detailed in this chapter https://www.lua.org/pil/20.html

[frank lintel]

and I asked here cuz I figured modders opinion would be the best choice. but this why Im asking. check param's out. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding:Lua_Events/AcceptedFactionInvite

[bronze yoke]

i guess it's because they're technically java strings (is there even a separation in kahlua?) but yeah, not the most useful

[sour island]

strings are interchangeable afaik

as are booleans

things get dicey with numbers/int/floats sometimes

[frank lintel]

thats the other thing

[glass basalt]

another weekend of updating all of my mods and not doing anything new

[frank lintel]

like no its a number..

[bronze yoke]

it's kind of weird that this event passes strings at all

[sour island]

methods to convert things into specific types would be nice

[bronze yoke]

you'd expect it to pass the faction and player objects, not their names

it might have just been intended for a very specific vanilla use, probably for ui

[frank lintel]

shrugs

but thanks I just wanted to get some decent feedback.

[drifting ore]

I need of a programmer.

[wet sandal]

Still needs to be prettier, but here is everything, everywhere all at once

[drifting ore]

That’s sick asf

[wet sandal]

Ty

[drifting ore]

Hello modders, I am modeler in need of a programmer for a mod I have in mind. It’s quite simple and not over complicated. DM and I will give the premise. Thanks!

[tidal crystal]

trying to implement clothing is frying my brain

I’ve somehow managed to make the player and zombies turn invisible

[whole oasis]

same but for animations lol

Oh

[whole oasis]

what masks do you have in the clothingitem.xml active?

depending on the amount of masks it can mask the entire player/zombie its on

[tidal crystal]

I’m gonna be honest

I saw that

Thought to myself

Oh this is a hat not a mask

And deleted it

Do you know what it should say?

[whole oasis]

uh

is it a helmet? or a mask

[tidal crystal]

Helmet

[whole oasis]

https://i.imgur.com/dFn8yPw.png

this is what my mask one says

gimme a sec to grab one of my helmet.xmls

https://i.imgur.com/jgYOJ1N.png

ooh thats too large

https://i.imgur.com/6ljtjvG.png

thats what one of my helmets say for the .xml

(static) btw not skinned

skinned means its weight painted and already bound to certain bones via weight paint

hope this helps ya

[tidal crystal]

Thank you! I’ll let you know how it goes

I still can’t see my hat but I’m no longer getting lots of errors which is a definite improvement

I think I might have to go back over it tomorrow

[whole oasis]

npnp

[glass basalt]

when are vehicles spawned when creating a world?
would making changes to vehicle distribution tables in the sandbox options and then linking that functionality to Events.OnInitWorld work?

[tidal crystal]

does anyone know why the tooltip for my hat would be blank and this would come up + hundreds of errors when I hover over it

it also crashes if I try to inspect it

[whole oasis]

got the script file?

or chunk of code

[whole oasis]

item hat
{}

[whole oasis]

hmmm

I think you're missing a Weight = (number) ,

https://i.imgur.com/bW1NvaR.png

2nd from bottom

all items need a weight afaik

[tidal crystal]

Thank u! I added it but the errors are still happening

Wait no

[whole oasis]

hmm does the tooltip show up?

[tidal crystal]

I’m dumb

I just forgot the comma lol

Sorry I am very new to this

[whole oasis]

oh lol, np

yeah I still fumble that now and again

[fading horizon]

workshop formatting guide is well underway

[whole oasis]

what is this for?

[fading horizon]

formatting steam workshop descriptions

since it gets asked her a lot

[whole oasis]

oh sorry, I read it, sometimes the responses are faster than the action

awesome though, never knew you could input some of these into the descriptor and get cool categories like that

[tidal crystal]

this looks really cool

[fading horizon]

thank you!

[glass basalt]

I don't want to spook you, but the formatting changes if you instead post bbcode in a comment or a discussion post

https://tenor.com/view/homer-and-bart-the-simpsons-whats-that-gif-14096609

[fading horizon]

wdym

[glass basalt]

links are different in discussion posts: they are underlined

comments: just don't work sometimes?

[fading horizon]

well

regardless, hopefully this will help at least one person

and if it does, that's worth it

plus i just fucking love making spreadsheets

[glass basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-developer-software-coding-debug-gif-15160023

[thorny pollen]

is that Zyzz? @glass basalt

[glass basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-miring-fuark-gif-18026420

[thorny pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-fistpump-gif-4689886

tank

[sour island]

I believe authors can also use codes in comments where users cannot

Specifically for bolding and headers

[glass basalt]

I believe it is just h1, b, and i
links and other code does not work in my experience

kinda got interested: does anyone else do this? my to-do list for my mods

[sour island]

h2/h3 work for authors in comments

I think h1 doesnt

[glass basalt]

ah, so it's the other way around. thanks!

[bronze yoke]

do what? keep a to-do list?

[glass basalt]

ye

[bronze yoke]

i know i do

if i'm being honest i have a bad habit of just adding things to it and never actually going through the stuff i have to do on there, but i think everyone who's been modding for a while should keep one

[glass basalt]

this is my bad habit for all of my to-do lists

[reef karma]

I didn’t know you made this mod! I have subbed when it was first released. Great idea dude, is that a sneak peak of part 2?

[glass basalt]

I have a whole list dedicated to merging to-do lists. the list for lists 😂

[glass basalt]

yeah, he's been at it for a while

[tribal shuttle]

im sure i sound like a broken record at this point, but im stuck on figuring out why this function isnt working:

RandomItems.AddToLists = function(ProcList)
for i=1, #SuburbsDistributions do
for j=1, #SuburbsDistributions[i] do
if SuburbsDistributions[i][j].procedural then
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions[i][j].procList, ProcList[1]);
end
end
end
end

[glass basalt]

explain to me what you are trying to do

[tribal shuttle]

insert into a table in suburb distributions

into many tables

[glass basalt]

are you trying to add an item to distribution tables?

or add a whole table into another distribution table

[tribal shuttle]

both.

[glass basalt]

have you looked at procedural distributions?

[tribal shuttle]

yes

[glass basalt]

ProcList[1], do you want that always to be one?

[tribal shuttle]

placeholder

[bronze yoke]

what isn't working

[tribal shuttle]

[1] is just the only entry in the table until i can get the function to work. then i can add to ProcList as I like

[tribal shuttle]

im trying to go through the full list of distribution tables. some are procedural lists, some arent. this loop is for adding an additional procedural list to the procedural tables

[wet sandal]

Yea, working on the UX to be smoother

[reef karma]

That is great man! Congrats again

[bronze yoke]

one issue i can spot is that SuburbsDistributions[i][j].procedural will give you an 'attempted index of non-table' error if it isn't a table (and looking at the distributions table this will happen)

not sure if it's the only one but there's some isShop booleans in there

[sour island]

SuburbsDistributions is a keyed table

[bronze yoke]

oh, i'm missing a bigger issue here

[sour island]

you can't use [1]

[bronze yoke]

they aren't numeric indexes

[tribal shuttle]

table.insert(SuburbsDistributions[i][j].procList, ProcList[1]); already works fine. ive tested it.

[bronze yoke]

i really missed the forest for the trees 😅

[tribal shuttle]

its the for loop iterating through the full distribution list that isn't working

[sour island]

    for i=1, #SuburbsDistributions do
        for j=1, #SuburbsDistributions[i] do

SuburbsDistributions doesnt have numeric keys

you should be using pairs

The snippet I gave you for replacing parts of a nested list would work for any part of that list

[bronze yoke]

RandomItems.AddToLists = function(ProcList)
    for _,room in pairs(SuburbsDistributions) do
        for _,container in pairs(room) do
            if type(container) == "table" and container.procedural then
                table.insert(container.procList, ProcList[1])
            end
        end
    end
end
```something like this

[sour island]

  local itemsOverride = {
      "item","chance",
      "item","chance",
   }

    for roomID,data in pairs(SuburbsDistributions) do

        for containerID,contData in pairs(data) do
            ---if room's container's data has an items list OR if it has a junk list with items
            if (contData.items and #contData.items>0) or (contData.junk and contData.junk.items and #contData.junk.items>0) then
                contData.items = itemsOverride
                contData.junk.items = {}
            end
        end
    end

This is what I gave him yesterday for context

[tribal shuttle]

i'm going to be honest, i do appreciate the help but im not that good at reading code and you threw a lot at me that just left me really confused and without an answer to the question i actually asked.

[sour island]

You're trying to parse through a nested table - the first two nests are not numerically keyed - using a for loop that counts up won't work

[bronze yoke]

you're trying to do SuburbsDistributions[1] in a table that's indexed with text like SuburbsDistributions["aesthetic"]

[tribal shuttle]

right. but i didnt even know how to make a for loop in lua at the time. and i just wanted to figure that out.

im only really figuring out what pairs() even does

[sour island]

It splits the keys and values for key,value in pairs(table) do

makes a set of paired variables to call in the for loop - but the order is not guaranteed unless the keys are numeric

Notice the middle for loop doesn't print anything

Surprised it doesn't toss a warning or error though

Also pairs() on a non-keyed or numeric keyed table works too:

Does the proclist matter if you're scrambling the items for everything though?

[tribal shuttle]

i cant get around the fact that item probabilities below 1% are seemingly being rounded up to 1%.

[sour island]

Are you testing this in a zombie free world?

[tribal shuttle]

the item list contains 1500 items, and most containers roll 4 times on each one. so nearly every container ends up stuffed full of crap even on the lowest loot settings

[sour island]

you can set their rolls to 1

[tribal shuttle]

sure, but that still ends with an average loot density about 60 times higher than i want

[sour island]

also at 1500 items you're going to get alot of items regardless

[tribal shuttle]

i had mistakenly assumed that since the developers use values below 1 that they actually worked

[sour island]

they do

[bronze yoke]

the reason you're seeing so many items is because every item is rolled for individually

more possible items = more items

[sour island]

you could try dividing the chances by 100 or 1000

[tribal shuttle]

yes, i know. but ive also tried probability values below 1/10000 and im still getting full containers

i get the same same number of items returned whether i go with 1 or 0.00001

[sour island]

what does your code look like

perhaps your not overwriting the chance

[bronze yoke]

i know extremely low numbers cause issues but it's not as bad as capping out at 1%

[tribal shuttle]

even at 0.00001 i was getting DUPLICATES of single items. which is just such a minute possibility that i shouldnt have seen it occur multiple times in a handful of attempts

[sour island]

did you try setting the rolls to 1

• if you're testing in a zombieless world the lootchance is like 400%

you should verify actual loot drops with the loot tool

[bronze yoke]

they're right that at 0.00001 multiple rolls still shouldn't land, that might be below the level at which the probabilities start messing up

[sour island]

there's definitely something going on

[tribal shuttle]

every attempt was done on a standard apocalypse sandbox with loot set to normal because normal doesnt apply a modifier to loot

[sour island]

@bronze yoke How do you activate the loot tool again?

[bronze yoke]

you turn it on in the debug cheats menu and then right click the container icon in your inventory

[sour island]

forgot the right click container button lol

trying to test my scramble loot code

[sour island]

every attempt being a new world?

[tribal shuttle]

yes

here, i ran another test for demonstration

all = {
bin = {
rolls = 10000,
items = {
"ScrapMetal", 0.01,
},

i got an average of 40 scrap metal per trash can. which equates to an actual item generation rate of 0.4 instead of 0.01

thats 40x higher than expectations

[sour island]

there's other factors impacting loot spawn

if you check the lootspawn tool you'll see the in-game chances

[tribal shuttle]

there are, but if ive done all i can to negate those factors and the loot rate is still FAR above expectations, then im out of options

[bronze yoke]

population density has an impact

[tribal shuttle]

population changes loot?

[bronze yoke]

yeah, areas that spawn more zombies have more loot

[tribal shuttle]

then continuing my test, id expect riverside trashcans to have less scrapmetal than the muldraugh cans ive been testing at. so far the average is actually higher

how do i see these things with the lootspawn tool?

[bronze yoke]

turn on lootzed in the debug cheats menu, and then right click the icon of the container's tab in the inventory

[fading horizon]

V1 of a steam workshop mod description formatting guide i'm making just released

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQwxHctnvJNHAIUH79cHtH4Le8kaoCGZYFnbwYQ9JL6fZ4ndk1PLaco7PA8HyWeiuVcYNOwHFfXXQeF/pubhtml

hope it can help someone one day

[reef karma]

wait

how did you do in the google sheets (excel) ?

are they just nicely formatted tables??

[fading horizon]

yeah I just fucking love formatting and spreadsheets

lol

lots of merging cells

[tribal shuttle]

thank you, i can see the numbers now... im just not sure how to interpet 63% chance from my 10000 rolls test

[reef karma]

that is what it looked like. that looks awesome lmao

[fading horizon]

took like all day

barely even worked on my mod

i guess it wont be releasing today after all

Friday is a good release day though

[reef karma]

friday is the best day

[tribal shuttle]

i did manage to find some trash cans in more remote locations that only had x10 the drop rate i put in instead of 40 60 or 80x

[bronze yoke]

increasing the drop rate might fix it

very low numbers don't work properly because of some kahlua bug or something

[tribal shuttle]

increasing the drop rate isnt an option for what i had in mind, so i had to scrap the plan. thats the conclusion i had reached this morning

also, any idea if population density altering loot still works this way when using uniform zombie distribution?

[bronze yoke]

no idea

[tribal shuttle]

its so frustrating how obfuscated this is

to answer my own question. tested uniform zombie distribution. it changed the amount of scrap generated by trash cans in each area. but not in any way that makes sense.

[old crescent]

what folder does clients character saves

in server side

its in there compute r?

[frank elbow]

Mixed this up w a different server?

[bronze yoke]

yes.

LOL

i don't know why because i don't use that server very often at all LOL

[tribal shuttle]

it looks like somewhere between 0.1 and 0.5 the number of items generated starts approaching the actual expected results

[bronze yoke]

Zomboid\Saves\Multiplayer\savename\players.db

[sour island]

"Sledgehammer", 0.001, "Sledgehammer2", 0.001,

seems to be the lowest value

you could shave the chances down and cap it using math.min()

[tribal shuttle]

i dont know man, even at 0.1 i was getting x10 what i should have

[sour island]

🤷‍♂️

Could be how you wrote the item list

• some containers have rolls over 1

[tribal shuttle]

which is why i assumed previously that it was just rounding up to 1. it just turns out that the truth is far screwier than i had anticipated

im doing tests right now that prove its not because of the rolls value

i think ive thoroughly disproven the rolls theory at this point

[sour island]

you said you have duplicates of items

that would only occur if you added duplicate items yourself

[tribal shuttle]

yes, but im running a much more narrowly focused test right now that proves what im saying beyond the surprising mod results i pulled up this morning

im testing with trash cans that only contain one item in the drop list

ive run multiple probability tests that SHOULD have resulted in cans generating one scrap metal on average. instead i get 40-80

that is one HELL of a margin of error

[sour island]

Why do you think it's supposed to be 1?

[tribal shuttle]

because 10000 rolls x 0.01 drop rate = average 1.

and 1000 rolls x 0.1 drop rate = average 1

and 200 rolls x 0.5 drop rate = average 1

instead, i get 40+

[sour island]

10,000 x 0.01 = 100?

[tribal shuttle]

which is divided by 100 because the loot chances are in %

[bronze yoke]

that's not how probabilities are combined

[tribal shuttle]

large number probabilites. the larger the number of rolls, the more likely the result over multiple iterations will approach the average

[sour island]

Also, idk if this helps but this is the loot calculation: (10000) <= chance(modified by luck) * 100 * lootmodifer + zombiedensity * 10

[tribal shuttle]

loot modifier should be sandbox settings yeah?

but how is zombie density calculated?

[sour island]

it's based on the map zones I believe

[tribal shuttle]

well, on the 200 rolls test the results came out nearly as i would have expected. its the 1000 rolls and 10000 rolls tests that were giving RIDICULOUS numbers

[sour island]

try making the scrap metal 0.001?

[tribal shuttle]

even worse results

im getting MORE metal

literally every trash can is FULL to capacity with scrap metal now

[tribal shuttle]

no matter what you think of my math you cant argue that 100,000 x 0.001 = 10,000 x 0.01 they should be the same results. but instead, 100,000 x 0.001 is equaling a larger number

[bronze yoke]

yeah, it's definitely weird

and i think your math is correct and i was thinking of something else anyway

[fading horizon]

@sour islandI've been digging apart your named lit mod code to see how you do the tooltip rendering,

I've gone through most of the code and made adjustments just to test if it would work for me and it does ; however, the vanilla tooltip is still showing.

Do you happen to remember how you hid the vanilla

because mine is basically the same idk why its not working

[drifting ore]

Modeler in need of programmer for a mod, dm and I will fill you in on the details. Thx!

[sour island]

I didn't hide the vanilla, I warped it

Made the default tooltip longer

Then added my lines over the extra space

[fading horizon]

well dang

[sour island]

If you replace the vanilla render function the vanilla tooltip shouldn't appear - I would assume?

[fading horizon]

i would think that's what this is doing

if its not a vape, do the regular render

but if it's a vape, render the custom one

so it should only be rendering the custom one I would think

[drifting ore]

Modeler in need of programmer for a mod, dm and I will fill you in on the details. Thx!

[fading horizon]

please don't start doing this every 10 minutes..

[drifting ore]

I need help

Idk what you expect

[fading horizon]

well posting it again in the chat when theres been literally 10 messages since your last post which was exactly 10 minutes ago

everyone still sees it fam

[drifting ore]

Where do you reccomend I go to get help

[fading horizon]

i recommend you be patient and wait and hope that somebody comes by that wants to help

🙂

or go try to learn it yourself

[ancient grail]

Or you could hire for commission

[fading horizon]

oh snap

i did it

i got rid of the vanilla tooltip

lets GO

[old crescent]

Hello need help .

[lyric turtle]

You are closer and closer to perfection brother, keep it up!

[old crescent]

I want to add a death count on server database ..

where do i possibly put it

[frank lintel]

lua/server... if that was a code ?

[tribal shuttle]

alright, im seeing that some of the procedural loot lists dont have a weight selection on them. i'm not getting errors adding a second procedural list, but does anyone have any idea how they interact? does it default to the first list? or does the first list get a default weight value?

[reef karma]

@maemento i have never heard of the vapes you that you are using in your mod until i started reading this channel. I am gettings ads about them now on tiktok

[fading horizon]

lmao

[bronze yoke]

the only ones i see without a weight are ones that don't have any competition, in which case a weighting wouldn't do anything anyway?

i might be missing some though, i didn't crawl through the entire distributions of course

[tribal shuttle]

which causes a problem if i add a second list with a weight, doesnt it?

[bronze yoke]

ah, yes

[fading horizon]

we're getting there, slowly

[bronze yoke]

actually, should be fine

[tribal shuttle]

im not confirmed yet, but i think the default weight is 0

[bronze yoke]

the default weight is -1, if all weights are -1 then it just picks randomly

actually no... if the weights total to -1 it picks randomly... that seems like an oversight

[tribal shuttle]

i have to set a weight to my added list because it also gets added to other list lists that do have weights

[bronze yoke]

yeah, it seems like having multiple with no weight would be bad anyway... you might have to add weights to the ones that don't have them

[tribal shuttle]

yeah, im already trying to figure that one out and am getting errors. so it goes

and then theres the forceForTiles that i have to deal with. and the non procedural containers after that

how do you check if a value exists in lua?

[bronze yoke]

var ~= null

or just if var actually

[tribal shuttle]

thank you

[bronze yoke]

if var won't work in the specific case that var is false

if that's a possiblity in your data use var ~= null

[fading horizon]

nil not null

[frank lintel]

oooh fernflower command line decompile yummy

[bronze yoke]

been reading too much of the java 😅

[fading horizon]

it happens

[frank lintel]

you using the actual zulu version?

[tribal shuttle]

ah, will adding weightChance to the forceForTiles containers cause them to appear in rooms they shouldnt?

[bronze yoke]

it looks like weight is completely ignored if there's any forceForWhatevers

or rather ones with those properties aren't included in the picking for that

[tribal shuttle]

is that for when its the designated tile/container AND for when its not?

[bronze yoke]

if it's the designated tile/container it just uses the forced one, if it's not then the weight stuff still happens but anything with a forceForX doesn't get included in weight calculations

[tribal shuttle]

thank you for clarifying

would have been nice if LootZod showed weights for lists

if containerData.procList[i].weightChance ~= nil then
containerData.procList[i].weightChance = 100
end
resulted in no weights being added. : /

[bronze yoke]

you're testing if the weightChance is already set

use == nil to invert it

[tribal shuttle]

/facepalm

i should have spotted that one on my own, thank you

with how many exceptions there are when dealing with the non procedural containers, i think im better just manually creating a list of containers that need updating than trying to program exceptions to each of them

otherwise i could end up with containers containing containers that contain containers

[fading horizon]

i was just browsing through isui and found this

and remembered someone was asking something similar

so here you go if it's relevant

oh the message is too long one sec

https://pastebin.com/2NedBxdv

i just realized the custom tooltips don't follow the mouse

i think this may be more of a pain than it's worth

[glass basalt]

in case this ever pops up for anyone searching for it: Project Zomboid handles Unix LF line endings fine, and you can use them instead of Windows/DOS CR LF line endings
...I was skeptical about it.

[fading horizon]

i got it to work omg

[glass basalt]

why hide the amount left though?

[fading horizon]

i'm not

i just haven't added it yet

it's a completely custom tooltip

idk how i'm going to make the little bar remaining thing

[fading horizon]

could say its immersion lmao

[glass basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-scott-vaping-smoking-coughing-nazarino-gif-20386028

[glass basalt]

got this working my way, and covers the most variations out of all of the mods I've seen.

[rancid panther]

nice work

[humble oriole]

Is it just DestroyResult:True to remove the result of a recipe?

[old crescent]

anybody knows how to disable button

I want to disable NEW CHARACTER button. just disable it not delete

[glass basalt]

depends on what kind of button. ISUI elements all have different superclasses and such

[old crescent]

local button = ISButton:new(buttonX, buttonY, buttonWid, buttonHgt, getText("IGUI_PostDeath_Respawn"), self, self.onRespawn)

[humble oriole]

RemoveResultItem:true

[glass basalt]

try looking for button.enable
either true or false

[old crescent]

tried it but notther workds

[shut oar]

you should make it so once its close to be empty it relieves your smoking stuff but makes you unhappy because the flavour runs out for immersion

[fading horizon]

already does

[shut oar]

oh thats so cool

[glass basalt]

ah, it's probably because it's IG_UI

idk anything about IG_UI elements

[fading horizon]

i think i'm gonna just take what i have now and put it in a stable state and release v1

i'm tired of waiting

[old crescent]

copy2 i look into it

[humble oriole]

is that a vape mod? lol

[fading horizon]

and all these complicated things can be for v2

yes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1017594773449752678/1090920790519709786/finalactually.gif

[humble oriole]

didn't know those were around in '93

[glass basalt]

waiting for what? it's your mod lol

[glass basalt]

they weren't, it's just a cool item

[fading horizon]

i just want to release it

[neon bronze]

Overwrite its OnClick to do nothing

[shut oar]

whats it gonna be called? for sure gonna try it out

[neon bronze]

You may even use nil for it but im not sure

[fading horizon]

Gnomebars

[old crescent]

oh

[fading horizon]

itll be out tomorrow prob

[old crescent]

yes2 thanks

[shut oar]

neat

[glass basalt]

@old crescent
ISButton.lua

function ISButton:setEnable(bEnabled)
    self.enable = bEnabled;
    if not self.borderColorEnabled then
        self.borderColorEnabled = { r = self.borderColor.r, g = self.borderColor.g, b = self.borderColor.b, a = self.borderColor.a }
    end
    if bEnabled then
        self:setTextureRGBA(1, 1, 1, 1)
        self:setBorderRGBA(
            self.borderColorEnabled.r,
            self.borderColorEnabled.g,
            self.borderColorEnabled.b,
            self.borderColorEnabled.a)
    else
        self:setTextureRGBA(0.3, 0.3, 0.3, 1.0)
        self:setBorderRGBA(0.7, 0.1, 0.1, 0.7)
    end
end

function ISButton:isEnabled()
    return self.enable;
end

use setEnable(false)