#mod_development | Project Zomboid | Page 104

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 3:19 PM

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No. I think reason because this func use SP command to spawn zombies

silk quarry Feb 3, 2023, 3:20 PM

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Thanks for the explanation!

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:20 PM

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and pathToLocationF(x,y,z) is kinda funky as well

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 3:20 PM

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it's ok to call it anything you want

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:20 PM

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sometimes it works

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sometimes it doesnt

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:20 PM

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fast galleon it's ok to call it anything you want

Nah, terminology helps convey ideas

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:20 PM

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@tame mulch any tips on how to spawn zombies and make them move to xy in mp ?

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tried this ```function ZedsToPlayer(source,zedQ)
local ZedList = source:getCell():getZombieList()
local x = source:getX()
local y = source:getY()
local z = source:getZ()
local zedcount = 0
for i=0, ZedList:size()-1 do
local zombie = ZedList:get(i);
if zombie then

                zedcount = zedcount +1
                if zedcount <=  zedQ then
                    print("ZedstoPlayer", zombie)                    
                    zombie:pathToLocationF(x,y,z);
                end
            end
    end

end```

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but its... not reliable

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:21 PM

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I think that's an issue with the networking and authowner

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 3:21 PM

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pulsar heath <@460779707797995521> any tips on how to spawn zombies and make them move to xy ...

Hmmmm. addZombiesInOutfit + sound?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:21 PM

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not viable

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:21 PM

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afaik you can't assign a zombie an owner manually through what's exposed

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:21 PM

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i want to move a certain number of zombies

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not all of them 😐

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but the annoying thing is that pathtolocationf sometimes works

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sometimes doesnt... makes no sense

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 3:22 PM

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still I hate naming things, I get brain freeze trying to name things uniquely

silk quarry Feb 3, 2023, 3:23 PM

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Also more an opinion question: If I'm just using some strings for halo text, what namespace should I use? UI?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:23 PM

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silk quarry Thanks for the explanation!

no worries 🙂

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for that purpose alone you can use whatever names you want

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 3:23 PM

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pulsar heath but the annoying thing is that pathtolocationf sometimes works

It might makes sense because zombies probably have some sort of FSM that overrides your direct commands

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:23 PM

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as long as you call the right one with gettext

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 3:23 PM

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pulsar heath i want to move a certain number of zombies

Maybe choose zombies, create fake IsoMovingObject and zombie:setTarget(fakeTarget) ?

silk quarry Feb 3, 2023, 3:24 PM

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I figured, since using getText, but I guess I want them somewhere consistent. Do most mods use UI you think?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:24 PM

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also @tame mulch I rewrote EHE to be truly serverside - but knockdown and damage doesn't happen to zombies on serverside that cleint's see- when I made those events clientside the zombies self delete and the debug lists them as 'stale'. Is there any generic 'sync zombie' 'transmit' for that?

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 3:24 PM

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i'd heard setTarget doesn't work, that java just resets the value every frame anyway

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:24 PM

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tame mulch Maybe choose zombies, create fake IsoMovingObject and zombie:setTarget(fakeTarge...

hmmm gonna give that a try, thanks

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:24 PM

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spotted() can take Isoobject as an argument

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and sets it to their target - i think only works if clientside though

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:25 PM

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same behavior as the previous solution i was trying...

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sometimes they go to xy

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 3:25 PM

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sour island also <@460779707797995521> I rewrote EHE to be truly serverside - but knockdown ...

I'm not very good at sync zombies 😅

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:25 PM

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sometimes they dont

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weird

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:26 PM

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tame mulch I'm not very good at sync zombies 😅

I tried looking around to see how it's done in vanilla but it's a bit hard to tell

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:26 PM

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bah static zombies for everyone

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:26 PM

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pulsar heath sometimes they dont

I think that goes back to the authOwner thing maybe?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:26 PM

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perhaps...

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the weird thing is

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:27 PM

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this would be really hacky

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:27 PM

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i did some tests and it was working

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:27 PM

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but you could parse through the zombieList in cell

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:27 PM

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till the moment i added it to the mod

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😄

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:27 PM

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and make them all deaf in 1 pass

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play a addSound() event

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then restore them

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:27 PM

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yeah thats probably what ill have to do

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since im already getting the list of all the zombies in the cell

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:28 PM

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I need to look into what's making my zombies marked as stale :\

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I'm the only client

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:28 PM

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its doing the same thing to me

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😄

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:28 PM

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and I made the changes

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deleting them?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:29 PM

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LOG  : General     , 1675434437404> 234,434,986> Zombie: removing stale zombie 5000 id=20320
LOG  : General     , 1675434437471> 234,435,053> Zombie: removing stale zombie 5000 id=20250
LOG  : General     , 1675434441420> 234,439,003> Zombie: removing stale zombie 5000 id=20247
LOG  : General     , 1675434453571> 234,451,152> Zombie: removing stale zombie 5000 id=20315
LOG  : General     , 1675434461587> 234,459,169> Zombie: removing stale zombie 5000 id=20323
LOG  : General     , 1675434469687> 234,467,269> Zombie: removing stale zombie 5000 id=20329```

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:29 PM

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the zombies get knocked down, splatter blood - I walk upto them and they vanish

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yeah same issue then

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:29 PM

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yup

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sometimes i smack a zombie

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and he just vanishes

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:29 PM

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I'll look into that and let you know

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:29 PM

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or bypasses the death animation, drops on the floor and vanishes

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:29 PM

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it's definitely a network sync thing

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:30 PM

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some i know why they vanish

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:30 PM

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sour island and sets it to their target - i think only works if clientside though

what if you...
set the target to the player, so that ownership is transferred to the client (if it doesn't have the zombie already)
then send the client the target command to make the zombie target the moving IsoObject?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:30 PM

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the distance from the player is above a certain value

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but the ones near the player... probably a sync issue like you said

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but also... im the only player on the server so...

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:30 PM

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I'd have to check on my Spiffo AI now

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oh

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🤔

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you can setModData to the number you want

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and in their zombieUpdate() check if they have that data

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and set spotted()

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that's how the spiffo works

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:32 PM

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its worth a shot

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:32 PM

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you can even have it occur over and over upto a certain distance

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Spiffo does it forever and doesn't jank around

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:32 PM

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spiffo don't fuck around

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he fast boi

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:32 PM

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he just 👁️ 💋 👁️

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:32 PM

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NODDERS

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:32 PM

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nah he's forced to walk

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:33 PM

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born to run, forced to walk

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PepeHand

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:33 PM

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someone played with all sprinters had to deal with a sprinting nemesis spiffo

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poor man

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:33 PM

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yesterday this was working

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today it doesnt...

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:33 PM

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sour island someone played with all sprinters had to deal with a sprinting nemesis spiffo

that's a feature, not a bug

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:33 PM

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is it possible to set a zombie to sprinter?

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that would be a fun reward

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:34 PM

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yes

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:34 PM

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buy a sprinting spiffo zombie to eat the streamer

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😄

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or whatever... custom outfits

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:34 PM

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have you set up a redeem for playing the panic jumpscare?

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that'd be a good cheaper one

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:34 PM

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I use outfits and hidden items for my AI but if you don't care if it's persistent you can use ModData

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it's not saved so I use it as a go to little table

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:35 PM

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im just annoyed since what i want to do is a simple thing...

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and to make it work ill have to jump through a lot of hoops

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 3:35 PM

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Does PZ support something like socket.http ?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:36 PM

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it should be something simple

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no @nova socket

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 3:36 PM

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bummer

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:36 PM

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once I finish this purge I'll look into "stale"

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 3:36 PM

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I would make a Twitch Integration KEK

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:36 PM

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already done

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😄

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 3:36 PM

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oh yeah? link plz

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:36 PM

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that's what he's working on atm

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 3:36 PM

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ahhhh

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makes sense now

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:36 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2629375490

Steam Workshop::Twitch Integration

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 3:37 PM

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I was like "why he wants to send zeds so badly"

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:37 PM

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how is the connection handled? meant to ask about that

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 3:37 PM

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subbed to it

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:37 PM

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i solved the no sockets with a custom app

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the previous version used keypresses

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and also kept compat with the previous mod for the ones who rather use Touch portal and not my app

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 3:38 PM

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I guess you write lines with app into mod folders and read the file from the game which is a thing?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:38 PM

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yup

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 3:38 PM

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ye we did it before for UE games with no socket

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:38 PM

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a pseudo json string

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is written into a file and read and parsed by the mod

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the app just queues all the actions from twitch

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and checks if the file is empty

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if empty it will write the next reward in queue

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 3:39 PM

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sour island once I finish this purge I'll look into "stale"

i was curious and looked into it myself, and it looks like that only happens when this condition isn't met on a zombie update:```java
(!GameClient.bClient || this.authOwner != null || this.bRemote && this.lastRemoteUpdate <= 5000)

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:40 PM

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bah... this is making me go mad

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now it works

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......

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and i havent changed 1 line of code

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    local sourceId = source:getOnlineID();
    local ZedList = source:getCell():getZombieList() -- get zombies in the cell
    local zombie = {}
    if ZedList then  -- if no zombie was found values are kept from source
    zombie = ZedList:get(0) -- get first zombie found
    if zombie then
    args.ZedX = zombie:getX() -- set the spawn for the existing zombie x and y
    args.ZedY = zombie:getY()
    end
    end
    print("Zedspawn [".. sourceId .."] quant: ", args.ZedQ)
    print("Zedspawn [".. sourceId .."] XY: ", args.ZedX,args.ZedY)
    print("Zedspawn [".. sourceId .."] PlayerXY: ", source:getX(),source:getY())
    addZombiesInOutfit(args.ZedX, args.ZedY, args.ZedQ, 1, outfit, 50, false, false, false, false, 1.5);
    ZedsToPlayer(source,args.ZedQ)
end

function ZedsToPlayer(source,zedQ)
    local ZedList = source:getCell():getZombieList()
    local x = source:getX()
    local y = source:getY()
    local z = source:getZ()
    local zedcount = 0
        for i=0, ZedList:size()-1 do
            local zombie = ZedList:get(i);
                if zombie then
                    
                    zedcount = zedcount +1
                    if zedcount <=  zedQ then
                        print("ZedstoPlayer", zombie)                    
                        zombie:pathToLocationF(x,y,z);
                    end
                end
        end
end```

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....

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i know my formatting is crap

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i need a break and a cup of coffee

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:46 PM

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refactored variable names and uploaded with out testing

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https://tenor.com/view/dance-kid-club-gif-9152583

Tenor

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:47 PM

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livin' on the edge 😄

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:47 PM

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@sour island have you ever experimented with createRealZombieAlways? you'd need to achieve access to the VirtualZombieManager instance, but I imagine you've already done that before

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:47 PM

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I think the luaManger functions call on that eventually

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:48 PM

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might be worth looking into, it appears to allow you to create static zombie instances pretty much whenever/wherever you want, and syncs them between server/client

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:48 PM

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I use the outfit specific one that creates an array of zombies

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:48 PM

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you'd need to be careful about overuse though - the overhead would be nothing to scoff at if you spam it

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:48 PM

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spawning for me isn't an issue

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it's making changes after the fact

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:49 PM

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right, but if the zombies aren't "real" on either the server or the client, then maybe that's your issue

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from what little I understand, some zombies are more static/present than others

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:50 PM

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but thats doesnt explain zombies created with the same command

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that some vanish and other dont

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and are right next to each other and spawned using the same method

quasi kernel Feb 3, 2023, 3:51 PM

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Mind you it's a tad old, I have to add more supported mods, but I'll get around to that soon. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2895419952

Steam Workshop::Ultimate Farming Patch

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:52 PM

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What I've done in the past was send a command for all clients to spawn zombies - idk if that doesn't need to be the case any longer

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:52 PM

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pulsar heath that some vanish and other dont

sure it does, they vanish because of the type of zombie they are, more or less

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:52 PM

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but why would my own zombies become stale only after getting damaged/knocked down in client code

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I can fight them all I need to prior to that

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 3:53 PM

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oh, are the vanishing zombies only ones you spawned?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:53 PM

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they're not

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:53 PM

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not all

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if that was the case

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it would be easier to find out why

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:54 PM

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I just realized what I was saying - actually for me the zombies are vanilla

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perhaps I need to run the client-side code for all clients?

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 3:55 PM

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i'm really confused what could cause the stale zombie codepath to actually run in this instance

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nothing you're doing to them seems related to the conditions

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:55 PM

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sour island perhaps I need to run the client-side code for all clients?

you shouldn't need to. if you spawn the zombie properly on the server, it should take care of the clientside automatically

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:55 PM

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my bad, got two topics conflated - but spawning zombies in isn't my issue and doesn't seem to be m3ss's

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:55 PM

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sour island perhaps I need to run the client-side code for all clients?

wouldnt that make them spawn several times?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:56 PM

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I'd have to test but our issue is making changes after the fact, right?

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:56 PM

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all of this depends on what commands you guys are actually using to spawn them, the manager has a ton of different functions

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 3:56 PM

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your repathed zombies also go stale?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:56 PM

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finite radish all of this depends on what commands you guys are actually using to spawn them, ...

right now zombies in outfits

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tried all the other available ways and all lead to stale zombies randomly

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sometimes they all stick around

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other times they dont

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sometimes some of the spawned zombies despawn

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other times the zombies already spawned in by the server despawn

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 3:57 PM

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pulsar heath right now zombies in outfits

what's the actual name of the function? I'm trying to see how it fits into the manager

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 3:58 PM

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atm im using addZombiesInOutfit()

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:00 PM

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same, but I don't get stale zombies from spawning

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:00 PM

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okay yeah, it uses createRealZombieAlways

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so it should be fine

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as long as you're calling it on the server, I believe

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:00 PM

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I think you're getting staled zombies when you try to repath them

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:01 PM

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hmmm

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maybe, but wouldnt that make all the zombies im trying to repath vanish?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:02 PM

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it should yes

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can you use Spiffo as your OutfitID

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just to confirm the ones pathing to you are actually the ones you've spawned?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:03 PM

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just lemme kick this guy's a$$ in hs and ill give it a try

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:03 PM

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also - the same issue occurs when you grab a random number of zombies in the cell?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:03 PM

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havent noticed that

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sec no

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when i try to repath existing zombies

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:03 PM

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oh - so is that a problem to do it that way? to grab the number of zombies from the cell?

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oh

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:03 PM

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they sometimes react

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sometimes dont

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the video i posted

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:04 PM

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but none go stale?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:04 PM

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i repath 3 existing zombies none went stale

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:04 PM

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none go stale but the other 2 don't react

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:04 PM

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and sometimes none reacts

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they kinda react but reset back

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ill clip a video of it

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just a second

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:05 PM

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are you sure those are the only zombies in the cell?

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this approach could be grabbing zombies 100+ away

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:06 PM

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i have a counter

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plus im grabing the ids and checking them against the ones that move

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i've tried to randomly pick zombies

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and picking based on the ids i collect

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the result is the same

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:07 PM

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   public void pathToLocationF(float var1, float var2, float var3) {
      if (!(this.AllowRepathDelay > 0.0F) || !this.isCurrentState(PathFindState.instance()) && !this.isCurrentState(WalkTowardState.instance()) && !this.isCurrentState(WalkTowardNetworkState.instance())) {
         super.pathToLocationF(var1, var2, var3);
      }
   }

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could be they're already wandering

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:07 PM

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it thats the case...

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i need to stop the wandering state

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and set the path... maybe?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:07 PM

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should work if that's the case

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also I lied earlier spotted only works on IsoMovingObjects and specifically ignores anything not a living IsoGameCharacter

dull moss Feb 3, 2023, 4:08 PM

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sour island *refactored variable names and uploaded with out testing*

literally me

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KekW

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:09 PM

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sour island also I lied earlier spotted only works on IsoMovingObjects and specifically igno...

but i might go with that one

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since the player is a moving object

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someone at the door... brb

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:09 PM

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do you guys know if there's a way to get a UdpConnection from IsoPlayer? looking around atm but no luck so far, could be missing something obvious

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:09 PM

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maybe calling zombie:changeState(ZombieIdleState.instance()) before the pathfinding method would be enough

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:10 PM

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also double checked my spawn code should be firing in server - I just have some vestiges of when it was client -> server

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                            if (var6 != null) {
                                this.AllowRepathDelay = -1.0F;
                                this.pathToCharacter(var6);
                            }

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they even do it for a particular case

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that field isn't exposed tho

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so hopefully the state thing works

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:13 PM

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this is so weird

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lemme try setting the state b4 the path set

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so far it seems that solves it... lemme try a few more times

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:15 PM

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congrats if it works

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:15 PM

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hmmm still fails sometimes

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not as much as without changing the state

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:16 PM

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whats the exact message for stale say?

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there's a few code for stale type

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:17 PM

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same behavior

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:18 PM

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take a look at parseZombie in NetworkZombieSimulator, specifically the portion after if (gridSquare != null)

this is a debug tool I'm fairly certain, but there's a lot of stuff they do with a zombie of the same type you guys are using (realZombieAlways) so all of those properties/etc. should work as well, as long as they're public

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:18 PM

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a bit better

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but unreliable

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:18 PM

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have you guys used .networkAI to do the movements and such?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:19 PM

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any stale zombies?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:19 PM

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LOG : General , 1675440665267> 240,662,842> Zombie: removing stale zombie 5000 id=19437
LOG : General , 1675440757250> 240,754,826> Zombie: removing stale zombie 5000 id=19424
LOG : General , 1675440789584> 240,787,159> Zombie: removing stale zombie 5000 id=19425
LOG : General , 1675440941033> 240,938,610> Zombie: removing stale zombie 5000 id=19434

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4

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:19 PM

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or simply not moving?

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hmm

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:19 PM

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im only moving one

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:20 PM

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if (!GameClient.bClient || this.authOwner != null || this.bRemote && this.lastRemoteUpdate <= 5000) {

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:20 PM

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only have 1 zombie around

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:20 PM

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the 5000 logs don't make any sense to me

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:20 PM

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so good for testing :d

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😄

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:20 PM

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there's just no reason for that condition to become false that i can see

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:21 PM

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and btw i didnt spawn any zombies on this try

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just using the ones the game spawned

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:21 PM

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isn't this the condition? if (GameClient.bClient && this.authOwner == null) {

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so if you don't have an owner for the zombies, then yes they'll despawn

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:21 PM

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but im the only one here

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:21 PM

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that doesn't mean the owner can't be null

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:21 PM

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the 5000 condition is the one I linked I think(?)

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:21 PM

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that's what i saw

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:21 PM

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yes but makes no sense

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:22 PM

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why don't you just try assigning authOwner? or print it, to test it?

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that'd tell you what's going on

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:22 PM

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they are in my LOS

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:22 PM

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that means nothing

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lol

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:22 PM

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you cant assign authowner last I checked

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back when I was having stale issues

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:22 PM

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you can, but you need a UdpConnection object, so you'd have to get that from the IsoPlayer

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:23 PM

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getZombieInfo() will at least tell you who the owner is, if you can confirm that the issue is that the owner is being unassigned or something that makes things much easier

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:23 PM

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i think im gonna try spawn the zombies 1 by 1

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maybe its the function itself that doesnt like mp?

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:24 PM

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try what albion said first

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it has to be authOwner actually, it's literally impossible that the issue is anything else

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:26 PM

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could it be bRemote?

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:27 PM

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nah. bRemote is a zombie property

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:27 PM

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wait no it's ORing...

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:27 PM

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it's literally impossible?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:28 PM

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that combo of ! || != null || boolean && <=

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:28 PM

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bronze yoke it's literally impossible?

it's absolutely authOwner, the code that's being output in the log is locked behind isClient and authOwner == null

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:28 PM

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is really breaking my brain lol

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:28 PM

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and I'm pretty sure he's a client lol

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:29 PM

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LOG  : General     , 1675441761251> 241,758,830> y    783
LOG  : General     , 1675441761251> 241,758,830> width    60
LOG  : General     , 1675441761251> 241,758,830> height    80
LOG  : General     , 1675441761251> 241,758,830> anchorLeft    true
LOG  : General     , 1675441761251> 241,758,830> anchorRight    false
LOG  : General     , 1675441761251> 241,758,830> anchorTop    true
LOG  : General     , 1675441761251> 241,758,831> anchorBottom    false
LOG  : General     , 1675441761251> 241,758,831> dock    none
LOG  : General     , 1675441761251> 241,758,831> minimumWidth    0
LOG  : General     , 1675441761252> 241,758,831> minimumHeight    0
LOG  : General     , 1675441761252> 241,758,831> scrollwidth    0
LOG  : General     , 1675441761252> 241,758,831> removed    false
LOG  : General     , 1675441761252> 241,758,831> background    false
LOG  : General     , 1675441761252> 241,758,832> backgroundColor    table 0x1348821607
LOG  : General     , 1675441761252> 241,758,832> borderColor    table 0x664276437
LOG  : General     , 1675441761252> 241,758,832> moveWithMouse    true
LOG  : General     , 1675441761252> 241,758,832> title    Twitch Stats
LOG  : General     , 1675441761252> 241,758,832> leftside    true
LOG  : General     , 1675441761252> 241,758,832> javaObject    zombie.ui.UIElement@6f607896
LOG  : General     , 1675441761252> 241,758,832> mouseOver    false
LOG  : General     , 1675441761252> 241,758,832> moving    false```

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:29 PM

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finite radish isn't this the condition? `if (GameClient.bClient && this.authOwner == null) {`

this condition? i think you're reading the wrong part of the code

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:30 PM

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thats what i get from the table of getZombieInfo()

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:30 PM

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it should be (!GameClient.bClient || this.authOwner != null || this.bRemote && this.lastRemoteUpdate <= 5000)

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:30 PM

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this must be the wrong table

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no its the zombie

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wtf?!

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a sec

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:31 PM

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this looks like a ui object, something is not working how you think it is

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:31 PM

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lol

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:31 PM

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zombies have a print out thing in luamanager

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:31 PM

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copyed

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the function

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and forgot to change the target

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lko

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lol

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:31 PM

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i can't really work out what the purpose of lastRemoteUpdate is so i'm not ruling that out, but i agree authowner is the most likely cause

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:31 PM

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_G.getZombieInfo(zombie)

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dumps the relevant info

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:32 PM

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kk

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:32 PM

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also shows pathing info too

#

there's a F key that displays stuff

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wish it were easier to read but it's like a giant list under the isoGamChracters?

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might have the info there too

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:33 PM

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0 zombies around

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😄

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teleporting into town

ancient grail Feb 3, 2023, 4:33 PM

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quasi kernel Mind you it's a tad old, I have to add more supported mods, but I'll get around ...

@jaunty marten

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:34 PM

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bronze yoke it should be ``(!GameClient.bClient || this.authOwner != null || this.bRemote &&...

every instance of the command (there's 3) are locked behind similar checks, all of which lead to authOwner

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:35 PM

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what are the args?

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the zombie object?

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:35 PM

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the args to what?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:35 PM

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getZombieInfo

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:35 PM

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finite radish every instance of the command (there's 3) are locked behind similar checks, all ...

i have a feeling we're just not talking about the same thing at all 😅

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:35 PM

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yeah, it's just the zombie

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:36 PM

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pulsar heath getZombieInfo

keep in mind if you're running it with : it has no arguments, because you're passing self into the function

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if you're using . then you need to pass the zombie in as the argument

ancient grail Feb 3, 2023, 4:36 PM

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Anyone else has a framework / tool / guides / resource / reference / tutorials / api / overhaul / library

That i havent included? I think thats almost all the relevant stuff i guess..

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:36 PM

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bronze yoke i have a feeling we're just not talking about the same thing at all 😅

I'm talking about the debug log that he saw in console - that command can't run under any other conditions

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:37 PM

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the stale zombie 5000 log?

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:37 PM

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yes.

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:37 PM

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zombie:getZombieInfo() ?

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i only get errors no matter how i try it

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:38 PM

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i'm just confused where you're getting that from

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there is a stale zombie 800 log behind that condition

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:39 PM

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they're the same thing, just with different timeouts

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idk what you're confused on

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it's irrelevant

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:40 PM

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pulsar heath zombie:getZombieInfo() ?

it's a global getZombieInfo(zombie)

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creates a table

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you pairs() through it

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:41 PM

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if i use it as a global i get

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Callframe at: getZombieInfo
function: stdin -- file: objects.lua line # 6 | Vanilla
function: runLua -- file: LuaInterpreter.lua line # 192 | MOD: Cheat Menu: Rebirth
function: onMouseUp -- file: ISButton.lua line # 56 | Vanilla

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:41 PM

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bronze yoke i'm just confused where you're getting that from

the log he got was 5000

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 4:41 PM

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yeah, so i don't see how the 800 log is relevant

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:42 PM

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wrong message sorry

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:42 PM

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LOG  : General     , 1675442510671> 242,508,251> -----------------------------------------
STACK TRACE
-----------------------------------------
Callframe at: getZombieInfo
function: stdin -- file: objects.lua line # 6 | Vanilla
function: runLua -- file: LuaInterpreter.lua line # 192 | MOD: Cheat Menu: Rebirth
function: onMouseUp -- file: ISButton.lua line # 56 | Vanilla

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local player = getPlayer()
                local ZedList = player:getCell():getZombieList()
local zombie = ZedList:get(0)
print(zombie)
local teste = getZombieInfo()
print(teste)```

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i know it will only print the table name

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:42 PM

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bronze yoke yeah, so i don't see how the 800 log is relevant

because they're effectively the same code, again - just for different timeouts. you're right that the one you posted applies in this case, but it's the same thing that we're talking about. there's no need to worry about which one it is, they both logically result in the same thing

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:42 PM

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but i only get an error

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oops

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forgot the zombie

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lol

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:43 PM

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pulsar heath ``` local player = getPlayer() local ZedList = player:getCell():...

you didn't pass anything into the function yeah

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KEKW

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you got it now NODDERS

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:43 PM

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should still return an empty table tho

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or well this is kahlua table but Im hoping the game knows to make it accessible(???)

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:44 PM

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LOG  : General     , 1675442605469> 242,603,050> table 0x156346127
LOG  : General     , 1675442649299> 242,646,881> zombie.characters.IsoZombie@5af17e0b
LOG  : General     , 1675442649299> 242,646,881> table 0x2068203020
LOG  : General     , 1675442649300> 242,646,881> OnlineID    19659
LOG  : General     , 1675442649300> 242,646,882> RealX    7213.216
LOG  : General     , 1675442649301> 242,646,882> RealY    9965.503
LOG  : General     , 1675442649301> 242,646,882> X    7215.7603
LOG  : General     , 1675442649301> 242,646,883> Y    9965.135
LOG  : General     , 1675442649301> 242,646,883> TargetX    7213.216
LOG  : General     , 1675442649301> 242,646,883> TargetY    9965.503
LOG  : General     , 1675442649302> 242,646,883> PathLength    1.7776705
LOG  : General     , 1675442649302> 242,646,883> TargetLength    1.7776705598619853
LOG  : General     , 1675442649302> 242,646,883> clientActionState    walktoward
LOG  : General     , 1675442649302> 242,646,883> clientAnimationState    walktoward
LOG  : General     , 1675442649302> 242,646,884> finderProgress    notrunning
LOG  : General     , 1675442649302> 242,646,884> usePathFind    true
LOG  : General     , 1675442649302> 242,646,884> owner    M3ss```

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well it says im the owner

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:44 PM

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i'll be damned. then it is the remote timeout

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didn't expect that tbh

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unless it's unassigning you as owner...

#

PepoThink

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:45 PM

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this is after it's spawned?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:45 PM

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yup

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:45 PM

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it'd have to be, otherwise zombie would return nil

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:45 PM

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seems to be moving too

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:45 PM

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yup its trying to eat me

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:45 PM

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anyway to confirm info from one not moving?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:45 PM

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thats why its moving

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ill just go into ghost mode

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:46 PM

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well I mean one not moving when it's supposed to lol

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nvm, forgot you're using xy

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:46 PM

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LOG : General , 1675442772317> 242,769,898> table 0x569925269
LOG : General , 1675442772317> 242,769,898> OnlineID 19659
LOG : General , 1675442772317> 242,769,899> RealX 7210.844
LOG : General , 1675442772317> 242,769,899> RealY 9957.821
LOG : General , 1675442772317> 242,769,899> X 7210.844
LOG : General , 1675442772317> 242,769,899> Y 9957.821
LOG : General , 1675442772318> 242,769,899> TargetX 7210.844
LOG : General , 1675442772318> 242,769,899> TargetY 9957.821
LOG : General , 1675442772318> 242,769,899> PathLength 0.4708786
LOG : General , 1675442772318> 242,769,900> TargetLength 0.4708786000234912
LOG : General , 1675442772318> 242,769,900> clientActionState idle
LOG : General , 1675442772318> 242,769,900> clientAnimationState idle
LOG : General , 1675442772318> 242,769,900> finderProgress notrunning
LOG : General , 1675442772319> 242,769,900> usePathFind true
LOG : General , 1675442772319> 242,769,900> owner M3ss

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:46 PM

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is that with a freshly spawned on?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:46 PM

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not setting the path atm

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:46 PM

#

one*

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:47 PM

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yup

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:47 PM

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hmm

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try... setting path twice

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🧠

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:47 PM

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tried that

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it kinda start to move then stops then start and resets back into the original "state"

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:48 PM

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sounds like the zombie manager has outdated info that it resets to

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this pathing is done on server?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:48 PM

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lemme try with 3 zombies... the only ones around

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im calling the function on the server side yes

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but its the same if i call it on the client side

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:50 PM

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perhaps try calling it on both?

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also my zombies get 5000 stale too

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totally vanilla non-spawned

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seems a bit overeager

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:52 PM

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now its working ...

#

makes no bloody sense

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:53 PM

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what did you do differently?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:53 PM

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nothing

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:53 PM

#

that's not true, otherwise it wouldn't behave differently

#

there's something that's changing

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(either on the server, or otherwise)

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 4:53 PM

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getSafehouseList() static method throws exception.. I guess its not implemented yet?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:54 PM

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finite radish that's not true, otherwise it wouldn't behave differently

it has been erratic

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im gonna try running it on both sides

#

better yet

#

i was running it on server side

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it was working now it isnt

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:54 PM

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is the code in shared?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:54 PM

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but i know what i changed

#

it has to be client side i guess

#

if i run it once client side

#

and then server side it works for a while

#

then stops working

#

so it has to be client side

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:55 PM

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what stops working?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:55 PM

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setting the path

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:56 PM

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what are you using to set the path?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:56 PM

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local ZedList = player:getCell():getZombieList()
local x,y,z = player:getX(), player:getY() , player:getZ();

local zedcount = 0
for i=0, ZedList:size()-1 do
    local zombie = ZedList:get(i);
if zombie then
zedcount = zedcount +1
if zedcount < 3 then
   zombie:pathToLocationF(x, y ,z);
end
end
end
player:Say(tostring(zedcount))

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 4:56 PM

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nova socket `getSafehouseList()` static method throws exception.. I guess its not implemente...

i dont use it but it's used in vanilla code so it's got to be implemented

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:56 PM

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it has to run client side

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client side never fails

#

server side is erratic

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sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:56 PM

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so the problem is solved?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 4:56 PM

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so ... heres the solution

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pathtolocationf has to be used client side

#

so far it seems its solved

ancient grail Feb 3, 2023, 4:57 PM

#

Hi nippy

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 4:57 PM

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drifting ore i dont use it but it's used in vanilla code so it's got to be implemented

Ill check if its uses dervied from other class, but static one is kinda throwing exception as is.

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 4:57 PM

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nova socket `getSafehouseList()` static method throws exception.. I guess its not implemente...

SafeHouse:getSafehouseList()

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:58 PM

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OnlineID is matching if that's where you're going

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that's what I'm doing

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 4:58 PM

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drifting ore ```lua SafeHouse:getSafehouseList() ```

yeah that one doesn't throw exception

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:58 PM

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server targets zombies does some stuff -> sends acommand over with the ID

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 4:58 PM

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static one is probably not linked to SafeHouse

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 4:58 PM

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clientside uses zombieList from cell to match ID

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 4:58 PM

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i think you have to grab a player to look up safehouse

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or the playerlist also

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 4:59 PM

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@pulsar heath just looked. there's a ton of code that runs on updates that also uses pathToLocation, so what's happening is the passive behavior is triggering after certain delays

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 4:59 PM

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drifting ore i think you have to grab a player to look up safehouse

local function EveryOneMinute()
    local player = getPlayer();
    local building = player:getBuilding();
    if (getWorld():getGameMode() == "Multiplayer") then 
        local safehouses = SafeHouse:getSafehouseList()
        local square = player:getCurrentSquare()
        for i, o in ipairs(safehouses) do
            local isInLocation = O:containsLocation(square:getX(), square:getY());
            if isInLocation then 
                apply();
                return 
            end
        end
    end
...

Works it seems

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:00 PM

#

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:00 PM

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the first few I noticed were the group behavior (which could trigger on any group of zombies large enough) and the other is that the idle state actually utilizes it as well

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:00 PM

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anything i run on the lua window is client side

#

and its working

#

out of 3 zombies around i set it to call 2

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and it only calls the first 2

#

i do it server side... its erratic

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:00 PM

#

that's excellent, right?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:01 PM

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so i guess ill put this bit of code on the client side 🙂

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:01 PM

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yeah no you should be doing it clientside, the packets update the zombies automatically

#

the spawning needs to happen on the server though

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:01 PM

#

yeah

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:01 PM

#

you may want to check for ownership before you call it though - it probably won't work on zombies that belong to another connection

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:01 PM

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so I figured out what was cusing my desync

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:01 PM

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ill just call the pathing after spawning the zombies on the serfer side

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:01 PM

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setting a zombies health causes it to blip out of reality

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:02 PM

#

finite radish you may want to check for ownership before you call it though - it probably won'...

that will not be a problem... is to use with spawned zombies

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:02 PM

#

I'm also getting a ton of 5000s off screen

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:02 PM

#

or at least i think it will not be a problem 😄

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:02 PM

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sour island setting a zombies health causes it to blip out of reality

aaaaaaaah

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:02 PM

#

setting health does it for sure

#

but interacting with the zombies a bit farther out seems to do it too

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:03 PM

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pulsar heath that will not be a problem... is to use with spawned zombies

right, but ownership can still be repossessed - if one of the zombies targets another player, for example, it'll reassign ownership to that player's connection. so then your move commands won't work. ownership could also be reassigned if the first player leaves the area

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 5:03 PM

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So if you move to fast the unloaded cells are getting bordered with cones.. Funny

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:03 PM

#

yeah cones used to be a common sight back before the network logic was updated

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:04 PM

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finite radish right, but ownership can still be repossessed - if one of the zombies targets an...

well if the createhordefromto() worked

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i wouldnt have that problem

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:04 PM

#

    elseif instanceof(targetHostile, "IsoZombie") then
        --Zombies receive damage directly because they don't have body parts or clothing protection
        damage = damage*3
        targetHostile:knockDown(true)
    end

    targetHostile:addHole(clothingBP)
    targetHostile:addBlood(clothingBP, true, true, true)
    targetHostile:setHealth(targetHostile:getHealth()-(damage/100))

    --splatter a few times
    local splatIterations = ZombRand(1,3)
    for _=1, splatIterations do
        targetHostile:splatBloodFloor()
    end

#

other than the setHealth something else in here is causing stale 5000

#

the ones that get knocked down near me don't dissapear 🤔

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:05 PM

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pulsar heath i wouldnt have that problem

you still would, actually

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:05 PM

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but maybe it's an offscreen thing

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:05 PM

#

well im not messing around the zombies health and the stale 5000 happens periodicly

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:06 PM

#

I'm assuming the 5000 is occuring cause of authOwner or something else getting caught

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 5:06 PM

#

pulsar heath well im not messing around the zombies health and the stale 5000 happens periodi...

it happens on vanilla hosted server like once a 10 seconds

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:06 PM

#

yes the stale check is really really sensitive

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 5:06 PM

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like im not even doing anything to server and i get spammed with stale sometimes

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:07 PM

#

im running mostly vanilla... only have AUD and my integration mod... plus EHE since i use it in my mod

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plus the cheat menu for the lua window

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:07 PM

#

Im wondering if it has to do with the zombie being unloaded?

#

would explain why there's so many during helicopter events

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:07 PM

#

last time i messed with zombie loads

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i crashed the game 😄

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 5:08 PM

#

I once seen cells having Destroy() function. I had to try.

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:08 PM

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the stale is probably a sync issue... but why would it happen when only 1 client is in the server?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:08 PM

#

I just got like 40+ stales and I didn't even do anything yet . _ .

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:08 PM

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pulsar heath the stale is probably a sync issue... but why would it happen when only 1 client...

it's not a sync issue, it happens when the zombies are unloaded

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:08 PM

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specially when im running a local host

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and why are the zombies unloaded?

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im next to them and they just PUFF

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 5:09 PM

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if you figure stuff out, please write it down somewhere for others

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:09 PM

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it would make sense if i was outside the range necessary to keep them in the world

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 5:09 PM

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In fact I seen zombies getting cleaned up right in front of players on active servers. Probably due to stale too.

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:09 PM

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could the stale thing be misleading then? and just occuring over time and have nothing to do with the vanishing zombies?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:10 PM

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perhaps...

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but why are zombies vanishing?

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:10 PM

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pulsar heath and why are the zombies unloaded?

do a quick test for me: try locking your FPS to 60

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:11 PM

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been there done that

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:11 PM

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for this issue?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:11 PM

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this screen only has 60hz

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and vsync is on 🙂

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so 60fps

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:11 PM

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okay in that case - try uncapping it

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and turning off VSync

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and then restart and test again

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:12 PM

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dont see the point but ill do what youre asking

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:12 PM

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it has to do with the conditional that's triggered there

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just give it a shot, see if it occurs any less/more frequently

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the stale message, that is

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:13 PM

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sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:13 PM

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I took off knockdown and setHealth and I'm not getting nearly as many

hollow current Feb 3, 2023, 5:14 PM

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there a way to remove those vanilla 3 options from an item you add?

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{
    /****************************** OTHERS ******************************/
    item TatteredPaper
    {
        DisplayCategory = Literature,
        Weight  =   0.1,
        Type    =   Literature,
        DisplayName =   Tattered Paper,
        Icon    =   TatteredPaper,
    }
}```

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:14 PM

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Why? that's standard for almost every item

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:14 PM

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its a paper you can hold it in your hands 😄

hollow current Feb 3, 2023, 5:15 PM

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hmm ye okay makes sense

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what about the read option

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I want to add my own "read" option which does sth different

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:15 PM

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don't make it literature - use Normal type

hollow current Feb 3, 2023, 5:15 PM

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oh the type affects the options--not just a category thing?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:16 PM

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type and category aren't really related

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:16 PM

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oh wait I misread something from earlier
@pulsar heath we were wrong, it's still definitely authOwner, even after doing the tests you did

the update frequency isn't the issue. ownership is getting reassigned, or returning null for some other reason. either that, or you're no longer bClient, but I doubt that one.

I'd guess that your debug cheats are interfering with one of those two fields.

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:16 PM

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there's a junk category

hollow current Feb 3, 2023, 5:16 PM

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I seeee, that makes sense, especially that there already is "DisplayCategory"

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:17 PM

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finite radish oh wait I misread something from earlier <@276147332972806144> we were wrong, it...

I wonder if the manager is keeping the zombie remote until it's interacted with - and then suddenly it gets told it has an owner - and it's flipping back and forth

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could three ifs in a single tick read different values if the value is changing?

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:18 PM

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sour island I wonder if the manager is keeping the zombie remote until it's interacted with ...

it's possible, but it'd most definitely clear the owner before it re-remotes the zombie

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:18 PM

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still getting stale zombies

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:18 PM

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or I guess it would just need 1 bad tick

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:18 PM

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sour island could three ifs in a single tick read different values if the value is changing?

if it's changing on-tick, yes. depends on the sequence order

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:19 PM

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not as many though

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its tied to the tickrate?!

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:19 PM

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but none of the zombies that you see are vanishing

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:19 PM

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pulsar heath still getting stale zombies

see above

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:19 PM

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pulsar heath its tied to the tickrate?!

yes, but not in the way I thought

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:19 PM

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so those might be unloading around you?

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:19 PM

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if you're in ghost/invisible/god mode or whatever, zombies are probably not getting ownership

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:20 PM

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i can just disable the debug tools

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:20 PM

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yeah I'd do that

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:20 PM

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if thats the issue

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:20 PM

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make sure you aren't spotted by them though

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stealthy time

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(also you probably will still own the zombies, at least initially, but check to see if they despawn

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)

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:21 PM

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but thats been happening in sp as well

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and i dont have any debug tools on

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:21 PM

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pulsar heath but thats been happening in sp as well

it can't happen in SP

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:21 PM

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vanishing zombies

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not the stale thing

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:21 PM

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oh okay, yeah.

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:21 PM

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missing animations

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like sometimes the zombie when it dies

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:22 PM

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it uses a different function for that - and it's probably along similar logic to what I just described. so if you're in ghost mode, that's going to happen

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:22 PM

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goes from the upright model

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to the dead sprite

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lying on the floor

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well not a big issue atm anyway

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and at least i got the pathing sorted out

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it has to be client side... but makes sense since the zombies are handled by the client

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:24 PM

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yup. also, you should really consider checking for the owner like i mentioned earlier - otherwise you're going to run into issues in MP

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:24 PM

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ill just send a servercommand to all clients

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:24 PM

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...also, is it calling on all-

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no uh

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:24 PM

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to set the pathing to the target

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:24 PM

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you don't wanna do that lol

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you'll be sending a command to clients for which that zombie doesn't even exist

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:25 PM

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i can limit it to the clients in the cell then

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 5:25 PM

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lol and they said we spammed about debug tools

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:25 PM

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pulsar heath i can limit it to the clients in the cell then

the zombie won't be loaded by cell, but by chunk

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cells don't get loaded all at once, there's a chunk spread based on zoom level

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you can just check if the zombie is nil first

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:26 PM

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afaik 'cells' don't exist at all outside of save formats and the map editor

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and maybe some of the meta stuff

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:26 PM

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I'd consider that existing lol

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it exists as much as any other classification

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:26 PM

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hence the term 'outside of'!

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:26 PM

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exist but not "rendered"

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or not "loaded"

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:27 PM

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they're not really a part of the world, which is something that confuses a lot of people

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:27 PM

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@finite radish so instead of getting a list of the zombies by cell would it be better to get it from the chunks around the chunck where the player is?

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:28 PM

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the IsoCell object refers to the loaded area

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:28 PM

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or even if i get it by cell it only returns the ones inside the loaded chunks?

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 5:28 PM

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what about mp loading cell cones? or is it for chunks?

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:28 PM

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it's still a part of the save format so i imagine it still loads by them

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but a square doesn't have a concept of a cell, it's not a part of the runtime world

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:29 PM

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.... my brain

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:29 PM

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pulsar heath <@134706201291128833> so instead of getting a list of the zombies by cell would...

that's already what using getCell() does

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:29 PM

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so im fine using this local ZedList = source:getCell():getZombieList()

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:30 PM

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when using the IsoCell object just forget about map cells, there's not really any relation

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:31 PM

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is there anyway to get the xy of the limits of the loaded cell or whatever?

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so i know the max distance i can spawn a zombie?

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 5:31 PM

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oof, do you know what all save files are for?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:31 PM

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you're thinking of map chunks

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:31 PM

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there's some getMaxX() getMinX() stuff but i remember having difficulty using them

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:31 PM

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they use the term chunks for two different things in the java

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cells are always 300x300

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:32 PM

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i don't remember exactly what the problem was, back then i thought IsoCell was a map cell so i was using it wrong anyway and that might have been the problem

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 5:33 PM

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somebody should write what all the different save files are for, and which delete function is relevant to that.

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 5:33 PM

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And in what programming language do they usually write mods for Project Zomboid?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:33 PM

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lua

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 5:33 PM

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They usually do TS

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 5:34 PM

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pulsar heath lua

Ok just wanted to study, there is no time.

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:34 PM

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definitely lua

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:34 PM

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fast galleon They usually do TS

?

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 5:34 PM

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fast galleon They usually do TS

Who use?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:34 PM

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the only one i know that uses TS is jab

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and it translates the TS to lua

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so... lua?

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 5:35 PM

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drifting ore Ok just wanted to study, there is no time.

It's just that I usually program in school on... Pascalé 🥲

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 5:35 PM

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they = Illuminati or "?"

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:35 PM

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there's a couple ts developers but it is an absolute lie to say it's the one usually used

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:35 PM

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pascal? that was obsolete when i was a student ages ago... they still teach that at schools?

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i guess is a easy starting language...

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but even so...

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 5:36 PM

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Well wish who wants to choose.

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Yes. In vain I chose

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:37 PM

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so now i have to learn about chunks...

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 5:37 PM

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depends which parts you want to mod, for coding this explains a few things
https://github.com/FWolfe/Zomboid-Modding-Guide/blob/master/api/README.md

GitHub

Zomboid-Modding-Guide/README.md at master · FWolfe/Zomboid-Modding-...

Guide to modding various aspects of Project Zomboid - Zomboid-Modding-Guide/README.md at master · FWolfe/Zomboid-Modding-Guide

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 5:37 PM

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drifting ore It's just that I usually program in school on... Pascalé 🥲

We did only one thing in computer science classes - played cs 1.6 or surfing WEB :/

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:37 PM

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im older than that

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:37 PM

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I took an intro to programming course in college... the whole course was learning how to write in binary...

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:37 PM

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we played quake 😄

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:37 PM

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as in by hand

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 5:37 PM

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https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding
@drifting ore

Modding

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:37 PM

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because... sure that's important

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:37 PM

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binary?

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:37 PM

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what do they think this accomplishes??

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 5:38 PM

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But not only lua are used in Project Zomboid?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:38 PM

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we also learned about Turing

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like his biography

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:38 PM

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the closest i got to that was assembly

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:38 PM

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no you don't understand

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 5:38 PM

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drifting ore But not only lua are used in Project Zomboid?

Here not not finished (but soon will be) guide about pz modding (https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Aiteron/ru)

Ru

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:39 PM

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the teacher gave us a bunch of binary and we had to decode it by hand in class

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to get messages

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on paper

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:39 PM

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hmm programming is a popular course these days... how can we teach this without hiring any new staff...

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:39 PM

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this was a college level course btw

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that I PAID MOENY FOR

willow estuary Feb 3, 2023, 5:39 PM

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Makes sense, if you can't handle that simple stuff you shouldn't be coding.

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 5:39 PM

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sour island to get messages

Oh, I did same with internet packages😄

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 5:39 PM

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sour island the teacher gave us a bunch of binary and we had to decode it by hand in class

we had a troll highschool teacher who wanted us to write our names in binary

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:39 PM

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my 1st year in TLP ( coding classes ) we never even touched a pc

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all the code was written by hand in pseudo language

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to learn the basics... programming logic

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:40 PM

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seems pointless

willow estuary Feb 3, 2023, 5:40 PM

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It's not that you need to be able to convert binary by hand, it's about knowing how the computers manipulate data in a fundmental fashion where you actually understand the matter.

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Lots of courses do that sort of stuff at the filter levels.

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:41 PM

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Surely that's a 1-2 lesson topic

willow estuary Feb 3, 2023, 5:41 PM

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I had to learn about the metric system all over again in multiple classes.

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:41 PM

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yeah we started out 50 students, after 2 months only around 20 remained

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but that was decades ago...

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 5:42 PM

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pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:42 PM

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..........

willow estuary Feb 3, 2023, 5:42 PM

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If you know how to convert binary by hand, then you probably also know what hexadecimal is and understand what a GUID exactly is, and understand why it's being used, when you see one, etc. Fundamental concepts.

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 5:42 PM

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pulsar heath but that was decades ago...

Oh, I'm afraid to imagine how much is left now ... I hope this is an integer?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:42 PM

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Yes, sure, but it was a 3-4 month course

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and that's all we did

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:43 PM

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tame mulch Oh, I'm afraid to imagine how much is left now ... I hope this is an integer?

im a dinossaur 🙂

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and after all the time spent at Uni, etc

hollow current Feb 3, 2023, 5:43 PM

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Is there a more efficient way to check the what the item being right clicked in inventory aside from "item:getName" and "item:getFullName"? I don't want to use those since the item's name is bound to change

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:43 PM

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hexadecimal was I guess next course up 😅

willow estuary Feb 3, 2023, 5:43 PM

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Yeah, well ~~nowadays~~ since the beginning of time everyone wants to build a time machine before learning how to hello world, so yeah, people need to be force fed concepts like binary IMO.

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:44 PM

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not for four months though...

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:44 PM

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i ended up with a job that has nothing to do with what i studied for 😄

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:44 PM

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it was a general studies course, I went to school for art, and I needed to take a technology course

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:44 PM

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sour island Surely that's a 1-2 lesson topic

it's a bit deeper than that, if you start getting into allocation and bitwise operations and stuff. it's less important outside embedded tho

quasi geode Feb 3, 2023, 5:44 PM

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willow estuary It's not that you need to be able to convert binary by hand, it's about knowing ...

you need to be able to count to 1024 in binary using your fingers.

willow estuary Feb 3, 2023, 5:45 PM

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finite radish it's a bit deeper than that, if you start getting into allocation and bitwise op...

Yeah, you get it.

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:45 PM

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finite radish it's a bit deeper than that, if you start getting into allocation and bitwise op...

we did not go deeper than just what amounted to a cypher

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:45 PM

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sour island it was a general studies course, I went to school for art, and I needed to take ...

i can say im your oposite then... i went in for tech and ended up working in art

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:45 PM

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the topic was even introduced talking about cyphers which made me worried

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 5:46 PM

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this sounds like a crime

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 5:46 PM

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"we have chatgpt we don't need no binary" - "some guy"

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:46 PM

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nop, here we dont have chatgpt

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we have ChuckGPT

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new and improved version 😄

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:46 PM

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I know that computers don't actually multiply just add real fast brrt brrt 1+1+1

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that's as deep as we went

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:47 PM

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01101100 01101111 01101100

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i think thats right

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but just in case

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lol

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:48 PM

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I rather it have been a history course on coding

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 5:48 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2927605405

Gotta be first mod, man.
Found an issue when been playing with server admins wiping data to restore missing objects like military crates with weapons and etc due to lack of loot on loot regen. Since I was around, decided "why not" and make mod that stops players from picking/disassembling them based on sprite names.
Thanks to @fast galleon for some ideas of implementation.

Steam Workshop::Cant Grab This [B41+ MP]

dark wedge Feb 3, 2023, 5:49 PM

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My least favorite class ever in college was cryptography. The final was 2 questions, and we had 4 hours. Had to encode 2 strings using diffie-hellman....by hand....

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:49 PM

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never had cryptography

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was curious about it, but to lazy to get into it

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:49 PM

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seems like an odd thing to offer in college tbh

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 5:50 PM

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01101000 01110100 01110100 01110000 01110011 00111010 00101111 00101111 01110011 01101000 01101111 01110010 01110100 01110101 01110010 01101100 00101110 01100001 01110100 00101111 01100010 01100011 01000100 01010111 01011001

dark wedge Feb 3, 2023, 5:50 PM

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sour island seems like an odd thing to offer in college tbh

it was for cybersec

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 5:50 PM

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ah

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:50 PM

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is that a link?!

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 5:50 PM

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tame mulch 01101000 01110100 01110100 01110000 01110011 00111010 00101111 00101111 01110011...

The quick brown 🦊 jumps over 13 lazy 🐶.

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Is that some template binary from some classes?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:50 PM

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im sure 01101000 is h

fast galleon Feb 3, 2023, 5:51 PM

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tame mulch 01101000 01110100 01110100 01110000 01110011 00111010 00101111 00101111 01110011...

link to v42?

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 5:51 PM

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pulsar heath im sure 01101000 is h

r u machine?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:51 PM

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no just have some things memorized

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 5:51 PM

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it says The quick brown :fox: jumps over 13 lazy :dog:.

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literally

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:51 PM

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let me grab a pen

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im old but not that old @tame mulch

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and i dont like the 80's that much

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 5:52 PM

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old but gold

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 5:53 PM

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pulsar heath im old but not that old <@460779707797995521>

I am old at heart spiffo

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:53 PM

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im old at body young at spirit

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 5:53 PM

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im confused, is 30 y.o. not enough to understand the ref? KEK

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:53 PM

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rick rolled

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is what i got from decoding that

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 5:54 PM

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man at least you got to understand you got rick&rolled

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 5:56 PM

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same i went to school for network administration and hated it and now i work for investment firm. ugh network admin... love following macro economics though. coding is addicting even as a nooby also

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i can't imagine how anyone would like being a network admin. yuck... lol

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 5:57 PM

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drifting ore i can't imagine how anyone would like being a network admin. yuck... lol

I was ISP Engineer back in the day.

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 5:57 PM

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not jealous

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😄

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:57 PM

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@tame mulch this one is better
01101000 01110100 01110100 01110000 01110011 00111010 00101111 00101111 01100010 01101001 01110100 00101110 01101100 01111001 00101111 00110011 01011001 01101110 01010000 01001001 01100101 01010001

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 5:57 PM

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I can only say one thing so far, every piece and bit you get from any sort of engineering comes at handy.

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 5:58 PM

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tame mulch 01101000 01110100 01110100 01110000 01110011 00111010 00101111 00101111 01110011...

V org guvf vf whfg n evpxebyy, V'z abg snyyvat sbe lbhe fubegrarq yvaxf.

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 5:58 PM

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yea you are right. i learned a lot about stuff and things in general lol

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im an engineer at heart though. always have done everything myself

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 5:58 PM

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Its like I had a bunch of moments where I was "oh, I did that 10 years ago once"

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 5:58 PM

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at lleast for the most part

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ahaha love that

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 5:59 PM

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i worked as an engineer in an area im not proud but the money was awesome

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but got sick of it after 2 years

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:00 PM

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Its just you are not obliged to go to deep until required, but like having a TCP/IP stack knowledge by being a game designer can help you understand why your game design will probably kill the whole networking.

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:00 PM

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boring as hell

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:00 PM

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Its an example I got so many times. I known guys who coded in Java for enterprise levels not having any ideas how to setup NAT on their routers.

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Guy was responsible for net stack there..

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:01 PM

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you have computer engineers who dont even know how to install an OS in their own machines

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😄

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:01 PM

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The worst part is not even not having specific knowledge, the worst part is that people doesn't seem to know HOW TO READ MANUALS either.

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:02 PM

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manuals are a last case resort

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only dumb ppl read manuals

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😄

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 6:02 PM

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nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:02 PM

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What?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:02 PM

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its a joke

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:02 PM

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KEK oh ok I was not sure

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:02 PM

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its the same with a mod you post on steam

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 6:02 PM

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pulsar heath <@460779707797995521> this one is better 01101000 01110100 01110100 01110000 01...

E - Evolution
"RTX for zomboid when ?!?!?!" 😄

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:03 PM

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Aren't you guys adding new lighting system in 42?

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 6:03 PM

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lol pz with raytracing ahaha

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:03 PM

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tame mulch E - Evolution "RTX for zomboid when ?!?!?!" 😄

😄

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:04 PM

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But its actually seemed really good.

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Didn't feel like 15FPS update anymore

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 6:04 PM

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drifting ore lol pz with raytracing ahaha

the game technically uses raytracing, just not the kind you mean lol

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:04 PM

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nova socket <a:KEK:860891394753953802> oh ok I was not sure

after you upload your mod youll see what i mean with that joke

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you may explain very well how to use the mod

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:05 PM

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god rtx lighting would be such a waste but look awesome

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:05 PM

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but ppl will still ask dumb questions that are on the description

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:05 PM

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pulsar heath after you upload your mod youll see what i mean with that joke

Oh that part.. Oh man not the first day into modding, I get you.

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I modded RVEngine, RAGE Engine, now doing Unreal Engine for active games.

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:05 PM

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i only modded for wow ages ago

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:05 PM

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I know how people get into "I can't read letters"

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:05 PM

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and it was basic ui stuff

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pz is the first game i actually go through the trouble of making an effort

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:06 PM

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Feels like some people chose "Illiterate" trait when they were born to get more perks

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I had people who called themselves devs (just server owners) literally asking me how to run a function.

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:08 PM

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ok done with moving the pathing to the client side

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:09 PM

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pulsar heath i only modded for wow ages ago

I'm modded only wow 1.12 (vanilla), not sure if on new versions smth changed to really better but I'm sure it's was worst than pz..

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:09 PM

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people took illiterate were confused why they couldnt use my recovery journal mod

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🤔

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:09 PM

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what wow is modded with?

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 6:09 PM

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Pepega

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:09 PM

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jaunty marten I'm modded only wow 1.12 (vanilla), not sure if on new versions smth changed to ...

in vanilla it was... it was improved when tbc came out

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 6:09 PM

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sour island people took illiterate were confused why they couldnt use my recovery journal mo...

their characters were self-inserts

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:09 PM

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sour island people took illiterate were confused why they couldnt use my recovery journal mo...

lol?!

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so you want to read and write but you cant read and write

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:10 PM

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pulsar heath in vanilla it was... it was improved when tbc came out

much improved?

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:10 PM

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sour island people took illiterate were confused why they couldnt use my recovery journal mo...

kekBomb

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:10 PM

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jaunty marten much improved?

the community got bigger and there was more info moving around

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b4 that... it was like running in the dark

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the api itself was still crap

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if you can call it an api

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:11 PM

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yeah ded

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:11 PM

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thats where my lua hate comes from

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😄

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:11 PM

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Has one function interfaced to say "hello world"? API!

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😄

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 6:12 PM

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i remember the days before steam workshop. modding scene was dead af for the most part. we had Bedford for maps and that was about it, and for mods I think there was like an archery mod and some very minor crafting stuff

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:12 PM

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btw I remember creating ui via xml......

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or what was there

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:12 PM

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jaunty marten btw I remember creating ui via xml......

disgusting, almost as doing it in plain C

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 6:12 PM

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xml is nothing like C lmfao

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it's a markup language, like JSON or TOML

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:13 PM

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c is awesome

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was...

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is...

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i like it!

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:13 PM

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its not about language, its about trying to build UI in C

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:13 PM

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i built ui in pascal

finite radish Feb 3, 2023, 6:14 PM

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but building a UI in a markup language is exactly what you'd want to do, so idk what you meant by that lol

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:14 PM

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( paint the screen blue )

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:14 PM

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Exactly what you want to do is having a widget constructor written in C++

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:14 PM

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😄

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:14 PM

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Unreal is the best example of how to make UI on C-based engine

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:15 PM

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so interesting how they decided to create ui via xml, like.. they worked by this way too.. how they are still alive

nova socket Feb 3, 2023, 6:16 PM

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Same here btw, not sure how popular that is, but I seen "Simple UI API" mod which is sort of a widget constructor

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:16 PM

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i've tried it

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its good enough

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simplifies a lot of stuff

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but i ended up not using it since it was easier to do what i wanted from scratch

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:17 PM

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me too, it's fine for simple things but no way for complex uis

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:17 PM

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yeah, to make some windows and stuff

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without much effort its more than enough

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for some reason is called simple ui

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it helped understand a bit more of how UI works in pz

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so its a good mod and a good tool to learn the basics

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:18 PM

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simple ui for simple things Dovolen

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:19 PM

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talking about ui i should finish my animation mod

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its gonna be a submod of the integration mod

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@jaunty marten whats your workshop link?

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i added everyone i could remember that helped me directly when i updated the stats mod and im missing only your workshop link

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:20 PM

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at some point wanted to create own ui lib coz to do some easy things with common pz ui need fuck ur brain

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:21 PM

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there's a few people working on UI stuff

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hopefully if it's available in the community framework it can be kept upto date and have the benefit of alot of hands making quick work

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:22 PM

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jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:23 PM

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pulsar heath i added everyone i could remember that helped me directly when i updated the sta...

don't remember ur stats mod 😅
but if I really helped u: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198080577466/myworkshopfiles/?appid=108600

Steam Community :: 𝚅𝚒𝚜𝚑𝚗𝚢𝚊 :: Workshop Items

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:23 PM

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thanks fam 👍

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:23 PM

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sour island hopefully if it's available in the community framework it can be kept upto date ...

did you update it?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:23 PM

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hm?

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it's automatically set to update every friday at 11:59 my time

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except yesterday cause I set it to the 5th day instead of 6th

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so 2 free updates cause I'm such a nice guy

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:24 PM

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sour island it's automatically set to update every friday at 11:59 my time

why not saturday 00:00..

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:25 PM

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that way at 00:00 he can say he updated it yesterday... a day ago so dont complain about being late

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😄

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:25 PM

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👍

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weekend is for hurried patches

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also the github updates if you push to hotfix branch

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:25 PM

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I'm a perfectionist, now u have to change it or I'll kill u while you sleep..

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:25 PM

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submit a PR

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:25 PM

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drunk

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:25 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-dipsy-running-away-scared-run-away-gif-25928776

Tenor

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:26 PM

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I'm on break at work. Spent the morning coding a hurricane.

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:26 PM

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but yes, the mod is setup to be worked on atm - I don't care if no one else jumps on board, it's just a nice proof of concept at this point

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:26 PM

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sour island https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-dipsy-running-away-scared-run-away-gif-259287...

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:26 PM

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but the debug tools are functional

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:26 PM

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@red tiger still in zombie mode?

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:26 PM

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Coffee zombie

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:27 PM

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sour island but yes, the mod is setup to be worked on atm - I don't care if no one else jump...

i dont have enough know how to add anything useful to the project

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:28 PM

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I avoided a meeting

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:28 PM

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oh shit... its friday?

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:28 PM

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My excuse: I'm in my flow.

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:28 PM

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i have to work tonight...

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:28 PM

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pulsar heath i dont have enough know how to add anything useful to the project

it's a 3 pronged project atm (still debating if it should be dropped to 2 prong)

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debugtools, frameworks, patch -- anything can be added to it

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your twitch stuff would be in the framework category if you were so inclined

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then anyone could work on it

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:29 PM

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well im working on a base to do custom animations in game

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but dont see many ppl wanting to use that

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:29 PM

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4 cups of coffee, 2 death wish coffee.

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:29 PM

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however - my initial scope was to keep features close to vanilla

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:29 PM

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its a bit more fluid that it wasm but its still a bit janky

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:29 PM

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so idk if twitch integration would fit that

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:29 PM

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evening gents

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should i copy paste the scope thing i wrote

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:30 PM

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well if you want to "merge" the general integration with the EHE integration

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i see no problems with that

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i can provide you with the twitch lib api

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:30 PM

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Maybe once I solve this stale issue

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:31 PM

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still need to add a lot stuff to the lib...

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and start generating the tokens in the app

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:31 PM

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the goal wasnt to add new things to the game but to fix issues (patches) and provide better more extensible code in frameworks

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:31 PM

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but it was a rushed release so... for security reasons i didnt enable the option to do so

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:32 PM

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I'd say if you could design it so the user can supply a function name and args - that'd be most user friendly for other mods

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:32 PM

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since im only using simple websocket connections to twitch

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:32 PM

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@red tiger just checked one of ur mod. r u always minimize ur code? never saw it in pz mods winner

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:32 PM

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you can convert a string to lua table, and unpack it into args

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:32 PM

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thats one of the objectives

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:32 PM

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that was my only suggestion 🙂

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:32 PM

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to make a standard pseudo "json" string that can be dynamic

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:32 PM

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other than that it looks great

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:32 PM

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and allow the user to create it inside the app

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so that the app can be used with other mods

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:33 PM

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im not sure providing twitch integration fits since it relies on third part features

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:34 PM

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the only third party features it depends on its twitch itself

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:34 PM

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Yeah I don't think it fits CM's scope

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:34 PM

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jaunty marten <@183299843240886272> just checked one of ur mod. r u always minimize ur code? n...

Which one?

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:34 PM

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but yeah, cm

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:34 PM

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we were discussing about EHE's use of his API

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:34 PM

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not everyone streams

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:34 PM

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also glad I changed the name

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no more CP(atch)

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:34 PM

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but ehe, 99% of the streamers use it

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:34 PM

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CMP(atch)

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:35 PM

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red tiger Which one?

modloader, at least there code is minimized

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:35 PM

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so i have to refactor?

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:35 PM

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minimized code?

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:35 PM

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red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:35 PM

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jaunty marten modloader, at least there code is minimized

Yeah. Only that one is. It's also not 100% of the code.

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:35 PM

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sour island minimized code?

all code in one line

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:36 PM

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It's a 3-stage loader.

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:36 PM

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for like lua if not x then return end only right... right?

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:36 PM

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no

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its removal of all unecessary whitespace and characters

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:36 PM

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It's so local server Lua code is sent to the client

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:37 PM

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"compressing"=

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:37 PM

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for example var names get reduced to as little as possible

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:37 PM

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The loader itself is loaded to encourage customized security

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It's all done anonymously

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:38 PM

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next level is to find obfuscated code on pz workshop LUL

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:38 PM

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All you see is the boot loader

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This enabled things like hot reload

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:40 PM

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so it acts as a "middleman"?

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:40 PM

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Yes

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It sends code that isn't on the workshop

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:41 PM

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i actually did a proof of concept of exactly that a while ago

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has the exact same mechanism as my server config loader

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:42 PM

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I used it in a practical way back in 2016

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:42 PM

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hmmm, im starting to get more interested in your project

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:42 PM

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I plan to upload it to a gist.

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:43 PM

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pulsar heath hmmm, im starting to get more interested in your project

way it works is send the code as a string when clients connect then the client loadstrings it

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:43 PM

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The loader loads itself to prevent file override

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:43 PM

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so im guessing that would allow to get data and send data over a network and feed it into the lua code in "real time"?

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or has the chance of being able to allow that?

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:43 PM

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its exactly that

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loadstring executes a string as lua code

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:44 PM

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ok i jsut went from 50/50 to 99.9%

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:44 PM

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you just sendServerCommand the code over to clients

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:44 PM

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something like that would have saved me a lot of work and code

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:44 PM

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Security was the focus of my solution

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:44 PM

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it would have been so much easier to get the data from twitch and send it back to where it has to go

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:45 PM

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only issue with it is creating modules

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:45 PM

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Heheh

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:45 PM

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how so?

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:45 PM

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i tried acessing the modules table but didnt have any luck

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:45 PM

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I wrote a modules framework. It's on my GitHub

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:45 PM

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loadstringing received code.... that's pretty genius

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the host could have local files processed that way

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:46 PM

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thats pretty handy

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:46 PM

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red tiger Security was the focus of my solution

security in pz.. sounds funny LUL

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:46 PM

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PipeWrench loadstrings to eliminate requires for globals when loading as a mod.

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:46 PM

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I wonder if the checksum could be bypassed to just feed the lua that the host has

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:46 PM

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so instead of having to write a wrapper for the twitch api, another wrapper to the discord api and steam api

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like im doing

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:46 PM

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sour island I wonder if the checksum could be bypassed to just feed the lua that the host ha...

indeed it can

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:47 PM

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i could just access the web api directly and feed it into lua

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:47 PM

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because the files just dont exist

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making it possible to have server only code

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i didnt test what happens if you create items through lua tho

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 6:47 PM

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I'll upload my solution and post it here soon.

drifting stump Feb 3, 2023, 6:47 PM

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might cause world dictionary issues

bronze yoke Feb 3, 2023, 6:48 PM

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i've seen script consistency kicks before (actually misread what you said, this isn't relevant 😅 )

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:48 PM

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red tiger I'll upload my solution and post it here soon.

please do so, i want to tinker with it 😄

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 6:49 PM

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better to post soon web engine roflanHomyak

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:50 PM

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i know it might turn into a security issue, but... at least socket connectivity would make my life so much easier when modding for pz

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:50 PM

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there's some cheat checks done via client's comparing code to the server's

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I think recipes do that

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:54 PM

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a good example of ppl that dont read manuals, faqs, etc

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sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:55 PM

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tbh having to enable the mod on on-going saves is not intuitive

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:55 PM

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its not

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:55 PM

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pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:55 PM

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but if you add a new mod and the game was previous to adding it...

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:56 PM

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Probably could be clearer

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:56 PM

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and i should be more specific i guess

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 6:56 PM

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welcome to human civilization

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:56 PM

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gonna change it

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 6:56 PM

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you will write it perfect and it's still going to happen 😄

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:56 PM

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yeah

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:57 PM

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and add in bold "if you want to use this mod with an existing save, you have to enable it on that save as well"

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:57 PM

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I added that to my mods

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 6:59 PM

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Warning: If you want to use this mod with an existing save, you need to enable the mod in that save as well, or it will not work until you do so.

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enable it... my english is getting better and better...

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 6:59 PM

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include "under the [more] options when loading the save"

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cause you're going to get "WHERE?"

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 7:00 PM

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yeah....

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 7:00 PM

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pulsar heath ```Warning: If you want to use this mod with an existing save, you need to enabl...

just use chatgpt:
improve grammar and spelling: text
improve writing: text

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I'm always use it drunk

red tiger Feb 3, 2023, 7:01 PM

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Ok. Looking for my code on my old laptop.

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 7:01 PM

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anyone familiar with the specific way to remove context menu completely?

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 7:02 PM

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sour island people took illiterate were confused why they couldnt use my recovery journal mo...

Content of recovery journal when you have trait “illitirate”

drifting ore Feb 3, 2023, 7:02 PM

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i just want nothing to appear when right click. i am using a method to remove option from context but i prefer removing entire menu

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couldnt get :setVisible(false) to work correctlyt

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 7:02 PM

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tame mulch Content of recovery journal when you have trait “illitirate”

I should let illiterate people use crayons for a 10% return

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 7:03 PM

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or add "how to read" skill books

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😄

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 7:03 PM

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sour island I should let illiterate people use crayons for a 10% return

I gets only a small piece of my skills, seems ur mod bugged, please update it

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ded

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 7:03 PM

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loool

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 7:03 PM

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stressed

tame mulch Feb 3, 2023, 7:04 PM

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jaunty marten I gets only a small piece of my skills, seems ur mod bugged, please update it

https://tenor.com/view/elegant-gif-21602737

Tenor

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 7:04 PM

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after second death 10% of 10% OMEGALUL

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 7:04 PM

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starting levels don't get stored ever
bonus XP you get from those starting levels can be toggled
TV/VHS can also be toggled

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"I toggled on bonus XP why can't I keep my starting levels"

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. _ .

pulsar heath Feb 3, 2023, 7:05 PM

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im still amazed that someone asks me if he can use a UI mod even if he doesnt stream

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its an UI...

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it shows on the screen... so ... yeah...

sour island Feb 3, 2023, 7:05 PM

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you should toss in a couple if not isClient()

jaunty marten Feb 3, 2023, 7:05 PM

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pulsar heath its an UI...

sorry but what's UI?