New player help :)

[hazy belfry]

In addition to the f2p z-fighters you are able to do. If that's all the characters you have currently

SSJ 4 Goku Daima | leader
Piccolo Mini Daima
Goku Mini Daima
Vegeta Mini Daima
Glorio
Panzy
SSJ 4 Goku Daima | Friend

Basically the units after piccolo are farmable f2p daima characters. Goku and Vegeta Mini also have their extreme z awakening

[dusk musk]

And just to include rotations with the team:
INT EZA Daimageta + TEQ Daima4
INT Panzy + TEQ Daima4

[rare karma]

Are you talking about these 2, sorry about posting another image I sorted this one to sr only to show

[hazy belfry]

They start as yes, thanks to the latest update it's super easy to farm their super attack and open Hidden potential path now

[rare karma]

What do you mean by rotations? Like pull rotations we talked about earlier? Also what is EZA exactly?

Oh extreme z awakening

Is that right?

Sorry

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I can get them all from the diama story event?

[dusk musk]

Rotations in a banner and rotations in a fight are two different things

A rotation in a banner usually refers to three summons as on some banners something special happens (on Daima4s its the guaranteed featured)

#1325548172864524338 goes over rotations in battle
The theory is much more confusing than actually doing it, read it and try it out you will get the hang of it.

EZA = Extreme Z Awaken
Yes

[dusk musk]

Yes.
INT Daimageta and PHY Daimaku as drops directly
STR Glorio and INT Panzy you get currency from Stage 16 and then buy them in the Baba Treasure Exchange

The EZA stage for INT Daimageta and PHY Daimaku is in a different tab, but its quite easy to find (if you struggle just ask again)

[hazy belfry]

Also just to add to that you need to have Glorio or panzy for their Eza event since one of them was required

[rare karma]

Okay I see I will have to read up on this version of rotation

Maybe I should read it first but does the order of the team affect rotation at all?

[dusk musk]

Nah, the team gets shuffled when you start the stage, only the leader matters

[rare karma]

I can awaken them all through EZA stages including piccolo?

[dusk musk]

No, only INT Daimageta and PHY Daimaku have an EZA

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Ah ok ok I see

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Okay if they only have EZA the rest just have regular awakening

Ok I think I'm understanding

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Oh okay so I should just do the event first before I move on then

[hazy belfry]

Farm the characters first and then do the Eza event

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Okay there is one more thing when I read the event detail under event tips it says I should basically use a team from "dragon ball seekers"

To get bonus rewards

[dusk musk]

The order of operations would be:
Farm all the characters to SA10, the max potential they can be (55% for Daima4 and Miniccolo, 100% for the F2P units) and their max level before any EZAs (so 120 for all units).
Then you do the EZA stages for the Daimageta and Daimaku and EZA them.

[dusk musk]

Events with a bonus category like you described get additional drops if your team consists of units within that category (and higher rarity means higher boost).

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Noted I will do it this way

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Oh it's pretty much all of the units we are discussing lol that makes sense

In the diama section it makes sense I need to read more lol

Thank you for this help I will come back in a few with progress and if I have more questions

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Okay so I read the rotation guide but what exactly is the rotation helping me achieve? I'm not sure if this relates but during the tutorial my f2p Goku did a kaioken move against nappa I had to swipe up on the unit is that what rotation is for to get that attack? I've never been able to replicate that move since starting.

Is there a guide on the attacks maybe?

[dusk musk]

Thats an active skill you are talking about.

Rotations make sure that you always have a unit that can slot 1 available and it makes sure your slot 1 and 2 units link together well (this isnt really the case for your team as you are lacking good options, but thats the general idea)

Active skills have different conditions, some are harder some are easier.

This would be the condition for PHY EZA LR Gokus active

[dusk musk]

I dont quite understand what you mean by that

[rare karma]

You just showed me with the image of the condition exactly what I needed

So they all are conditional

[dusk musk]

Ah, you can see these conditions ingame aswell by looking at the active skill of a unit (not every unit has an active skill)

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Oops

Not all then

I see

Ouuuu I see under details

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Wait so there is no point with my teams?

[dusk musk]

Active skills arent necessary, but TEQ Daima4 has an active skill if you are asking that

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No the last reply was for the rotations part

So It doesn't matter that I rotate with my f2p teams b/c it's lacking?

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Oh I didn't even see teq diama4 active skill

It doesn't matter because they all link perhaps?

[dusk musk]

Nono, the rotations are still VERY important.

You need to have a unit in slot 1 to be able to survive harder events.
The Daimageta + Daima4 rotation shares a decent amount of links aswell.
Panzy + Daima4 doesnt share any tho, but she is your only other slot 1 option really.

You also want Daima4 to appear as often as possible (units on rotation appear every two turns, while floating units appear every three turns)

[rare karma]

So diamageta and diama4 are slot 1 and 2

And panzy and diama4 are slot 1 and 2

[dusk musk]

And to explain why these units can slot 1:
Daimageta has 70% dodge, guard and some DR which makes him able to avoid most damage when he gets attacked before attacking
Panzy has 80% dodge, same shit as Daimageta, just higher dodge chance and no other mitigation when she actually gets hit

[dusk musk]

yes and yes

[rare karma]

Ahhh I see now so based in the units kit is what decide the order of rotation

Or stats?

[dusk musk]

Ideally you have units in slot 1 that can actually tank and dont have to rely on dodge.

If you want to you could do another rotation and hope for PHY SSJ3 Daimageta or AGL EZA KidGohan which are both pretty tanky pre SA.

[dusk musk]

Purely on the kit, base stats are very rarely super relevant

[rare karma]

I'm going to assume ssj3 daimageta can link with the rest of them better but how does eza kidgohan link with them?

[dusk musk]

Kid Gohan links decently well aswell and his support is very good

[rare karma]

Oh?

I would have to do another rotation tho

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This is kidgohan!?

3 turn guard and def boost!!

That is actual tank

Plus 258% buff

Geez

[dusk musk]

I mean yes, but not really.

The numbers look high, but thats not really what matters

I was just posting his support

https://dokkan.wiki/cards/1022221

You can check his entire kit here

He is tanky because he has pretty high DEF% from his passive, 58% damage reduction and he stacks DEF on his SA (which means the longer the fight goes, the tankier he becomes).
The Guard is only three turns, which isnt very impactful.

His big issue is that he is extremely limited.
He needs a Heavenly Events or Demonic Power ally in a turn with him
AND
He needs a Piccolo/Krillin unit on the team, both of which dont have a lot of good units (PHY Miniccolo is very good, but besides that you basically have no options atm)

[rare karma]

Oouuu I see what you mean now so probably the best bet would be to get ssj3 daimageta then? Or try to.

Just to fill the gap of panzy no?

[dusk musk]

If you want to, yes

The team works as is, but there is room for improvement.

[rare karma]

Okie dokie let me try to get the team built first and test the rotations on both my teams to get a better understanding of everything.

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Is there a specific way I should be using dozing elder kai? Each gives me a 30% chance of SA gain or should I just farm the majilite for extra copies of panzy and glorio?

[dusk musk]

ALWAYS farm units if possible

Kais are a limited resource

F2P units arent

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Kk I only used kais on the diama4 and miniccolo was that the right move since those aren't f2p

[dusk musk]

They arent farmable, yes.
But that they arent F2P doesnt have much to do with that.

#1380247313380933873

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Ok I see so I'm on the right track 😀

After I'm finished farming majilite I almost done the step list you provide, I may be able to try for ssj3 daimageta after I EZA the last two

Hopefully I can get off with less pulls like the first rotation

[rare karma]

So if two stages have a possibility to receive a unit should I just take the lower stamina normal option or does taking the zhard option yield more?

I've just been taking the lower cost to save stamina

[hazy belfry]

always hardest

[rare karma]

Oh?

So it does yield more percentage

[hazy belfry]

Lower difficulty drops less

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Ahhh

Ty

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OMG I just ssJ3 daimageta in the first pull of my second rotation 1 of 2

[dusk musk]

Id still recommend to finish the rotation just for the additional guaranteed featured.

With Daimageta you can do:

Daima4 + Daimageta
Friend Daima4 + Daimageta
Floaters:
Glorio - Miniccolo - Panzy

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I think thats the wrong kid Gohan tho

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Wait really keep going!?

Who am I pulling for now?

Or who should I be hoping for?

Wait I thought ssj3 daimageta was to replace panzy no?

[dusk musk]

Yes, its 100 stones for a guaranteed DFE
Even if its a dupe thats pretty good value.

You have been insanely lucky with featured units so far

[dusk musk]

As a slot 1, yes

Post attack shes still tanky

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Okay so who am I removing for him?

Glorio?

[dusk musk]

AGL EZA Kid Gohan, AGL Kid Goku or dupes of the other units basically.

While its not super value to get dupes, 100 stones for a GFSSR is very good either way

[dusk musk]

No, I gave you the updated team above

PHY EZA Daimaku is gone

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Oh so based on the floaters I'm replacing int diamageta with ssj3 daimageta

Correct me if I'm wrong

[dusk musk]

No you are not

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Sorry I may have misread

[dusk musk]

As I posted and then elaborated aswell, you are replacing PHY EZA Daimaku and are changing the rotations around.
Panzy is now a floater while PHY Daimageta takes her place on main rotation

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Oh I see this now lol I'm sorry

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Oouuu Im an idiot I didn't see that ssj3 part and I got confused

I self blinded lol

[dusk musk]

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All the new vocabulary here lol trying to keep up

What is GFSSR? And also DFE is dokkan or diama festival event?

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Right slot 1 and slot 2 have to keep that in my mind with rotations

[dusk musk]

GFSSR = Guaranteed Featured SSR
DFE = Dokkan Festival Exclusive

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KK ty 😁

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So back to the HiPo of the team for the f2p units what do I pick to make them 100%?

Is there a certain way to build them with skill orbs and the last slots to pick?

Also how do you get more HiPo orbs?

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Welp I didn't get anything really of note I think on the last pull of the 2nd rotation after I got ssj3 diamageta

Maybe the piccolo and Gohan but idk

Now I am fully done on that banner with only 2 rotations my next thing is to finish the team I have but wondering about new banner with gomah is it worth anything?

Wait it's legendary I think raze said legendary banners are trash

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anyone?

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bump

[hazy belfry]

Banner doesn't look great

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Yea I remember raze say it's not good and to stick to DFE

But I need a bit of help with the other stuff

Regarding the HiPo questions

[dusk musk]

#1294764268864016496 for the choices
#1341034385495031829 for farming HiPo orbs

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Woahh

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Okay I think I'm getting the understanding on the f2p units and how to build the HiPo, the importance of rotation and useful items such as elder Kai.

So far I have f2p zfighters and the f2p variation of diama squad setup decently. I think I will try to farm the f2p team bardock and Ginyu force next and follow everything shown to me here.

Eventually I should aim for the f2p clone team? But I think I need some sort of keys to do it and its probably expensive I'm sure you will tell me whether it's a good idea or not

[dusk musk]

The clones require story keys, yes.
They themselves are very very easy to farm and it doesnt take a lot of keys for them.

HOWEVER the big issue is farming their leader (which is STR SEZA LR Zamasu (Goku) ) which requires A LOT of keys.

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Is it worth it going for the leader or would it be too much resources at the beginning for a new player?

[dusk musk]

Especially since you already have a functional "proper" team with the daima units I would say its not worth it.

The events will come back eventually and you can do them with stamina then

[rare karma]

Oh they come back often?

So it's not locked forever then

That's awesome

[dusk musk]

We dont know when the event will be back, but story events change based on the current celebration theme.

So anytime we have a Future Saga themed celebration it will be back (and probably some other themes aswell)

[rare karma]

Ahh okay that makes sense

So right now I shouldn't really worry about building anymore teams beside the f2p bardock and Ginyu.

Just wondering if I should build the units in my box that I have like sr srr ur that can be ZA or higher

Or is there no point right now

[dusk musk]

Generally there isnt a point in raising units you dont have a use for.

If you think they are cool then there is nothing wrong with raising them tho.

[rare karma]

Ok cool then I think I am done with everything you two have taught me so far and I will reference back to the guides for rotations and HiPo and everything else to keep understanding

Now I can just blow through everything and just collect free stuff

Mostly everything

Is there anything else I need to do or any other advice before I can close this?

[dusk musk]

Nothing specific besides: Farming stones which is very generic

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Alrighty thanks so much raze you've been there since day 1 for me 😅 and thank you too Jukka for your help aswell

[dusk musk]

here @rare karma

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oh its back

ty

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do the daima units i have get specific skill orbs that they only use

daima4 has specific orbs and i see glorio has the demonic power ones i guess i can use them for panzy and miniccolo as well. So does ssj3 daimageta have specific orbs?

[dusk musk]

PHY Daimageta had ones, but they arent available anymore

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awww

wwhat about ssj3 daimageta?

[hazy belfry]

Do u remember of they were behind summon/ paywall

Something like that is what I remembered

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oh phy daimageta is ssj3 i confused myself

what about INT minigeta?

[dusk musk]

The other units dont have exclusive orbs as far as I can remember

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sorry i must be confusing everyone

ok so im safe to just give both daimageta generic orbs?

[hazy belfry]

It's fine yes

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1 more q: will they come back for PHY daimageta?

the ones that arent available anymore

[dusk musk]

They havent brought back any time limited orbs as far as im aware, but maybe they will at some point

[rare karma]

ahh ok so i wont hold my breathe then lol

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Something I'm curious about is that I have a manga Goku unit for free is he any good for my teams or are the manga banner units worth it? What about the gomah guy? Everyone is talking about him, is he worth anything? I know raze said legendary banners aren't worth it but why is everyone excited for him and manga units?

Is it just fomo?

[dusk musk]

The manga goku pretty much only works on the full manga team (just like most of these manga units)

Gomah is pretty good, but the banner is abyssmal.
You can get him on any future Carnival / Legendary banner in the future.

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ah okie dokie I'll just wait for that to happen and for the goku black clone stuff to come back. I guess i can farm everything else now

I just did this legend goku event do these expire or are they worth pulling for at all?

[hazy belfry]

just use them

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kk

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Nice look them all lol I can hear the prowler theme

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-stare-meme-angry-gif-14312537171363175004

wait theres a gt version of this!?

[hazy belfry]

There is Legendary Goku Event, Gt edition of that, Legendary Vegeta Event, Legendary Frieza Event'

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I can't find this area

I don't see an area 32

[dusk musk]

You need to do every stage before that to get it

Its in
Quest Dokkan Story -> Chapter 5

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Found it thank you its just worded without telling me the chapter for some reason

Oh so this mission wants me to awaken this unit?

Is there a guide to farm these stones?

Yea I need stones for the baba shop to awaken him from a mission

[dusk musk]

#1341034385495031829

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Ty

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How do I even do these?

I don't think I have any of these units

[dusk musk]

Thats why we recommend farming all F2P units.

All of these units are F2P

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Oh like throughout the story

Ok so I will just grind to get all f2p units

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Is that what you mean right through all the story missions and stuff?

[dusk musk]

Yes and from the event button

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Kk tysm raze

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I did not know this thing even existed 😭

It shows everything I can unlock pretty much

Am I that slow??

It even tells me where to go for everything

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Btw should I be awakening all of these f2p units?

Or should I just collect them all first

Probably won't have enough resources to do everything at once I guess but let me know

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Hey why does king cold give me the option to recruit him from pikkon strike? I know I can get hom from the king cold strike but I want to save my keys if possible.

Just wondering about that and the farming of f2p units

[hazy belfry]

I don't see anything related to him there so it could be some mistake from devs. It's not rare thing to devs to mess up

[rare karma]

Ahh kk that would make sense lol

Also is it a good idea to try to max out all the f2p units or just collect them all?

Or maybe I shouldn't waste all my stamina trying to farm everything at once?

[hazy belfry]

You don't need to farm everything in one day

[rare karma]

Okie dokie tysm

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Hey so I just hit level 150 and I unlocked a new mode called ultimate clash, should I worry about this mode as a new player or just continue farming more f2p units by completing story modes and events?

[hazy hull]

Don't worry about it. You need like 100something actually built units for it

[rare karma]

ty ty 🙂

[hazy hull]

If you want decent-ish units to jumpstart your account. The new Glorio and Panzy are actually really strong for F2P units. You farm an item in their story event that you then exchange for them in the baba shop. There is also (and I know people will call it sacreligious) the manga units banner. Most of them are actually pretty good units (especially ones like Buu and Gohan) and the 10pulls only cost 30 and guarantee 3 of them with every 10 pull

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idk I was already lucky enough to only have to do 2 rotations of the daima banner I got daima4 miniccolo and ssj3 daimageta

so i have a daima party with pansy and gloria and f2p daimageta

[hazy hull]

Up to you in the end. manga Gohan is absolutely killer in any sort of long event and is also under demonic power

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hmm maybe i was just advised not worry aboout the manga banner

[hazy hull]

Up to you in the end

They are also very good F2P leaders as they give 200%HP and 170% ATK and DEF without a category restriction but require you to have at least 1 unit of each type (TEQ, PHY, STR, AGL, INT) and a mix of extreme and Super units.

[rare karma]

oouuuu i see maybe I will give a try

[hazy hull]

I'd say do 1 or 2. It comes out to only 10 more than a standard 10 pull and gets you 6 guaranteed SSR units

Their leader skills are better than basically any F2P units and while it can be tricky to teambuild with them at times they're good

After that though I'd just say save the stones you get for the 11th Anniversary banners which come out around the end of January I think. Anniversary units usually powercreep a lot of old units so they're sure to be really strong

Although if there's a new unit that comes out between then and now that you really like, go for it. Better to get who you like and enjoy the game then only try to get the absolute most optimal stuff

[rare karma]

yea that makes it more fun using what you like

absolutely

I already have the f2p manga goku

maybe i should try once or twice

[hazy hull]

If you can build a team around him, he's really strong as he gets 50% evasion and 1000% ATK and DEF if you can fully get his passive working

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lets see if i can do the same amount as the daima banner only 2 rotations for all

180 seems more fair than 300 lol

and you say 3 featured per pull?

[hazy hull]

At least

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guareenteed?

[hazy hull]

Yep

I'm pretty sure a couple times I got like 5 or 6

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only going for 2 rotations lets see if i still have beginners luck like on daima banner

what units am i mainly looking for?

gohan mainly?

[hazy hull]

Honestly they're all good, especially for F2P

Vegeta's probably the worst

It's either Frieza or Gohan for the best

[rare karma]

alright just 2 rotations no more if i get gohan i will finish that one rotation

and i get these coins?

for exchange

[hazy hull]

There is no rotations of 3 like normal banners

Yeah, but atm they only exchange for elder kais

[rare karma]

no they have units there

[hazy hull]

Oh right

Yeah you can exchange those for manga units, but they can also be exchanged 1-1 for blue coins which get you elder kais

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No rotations oh like 3 times for guaranteed UR

[hazy hull]

Yeajh

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Instead this one is guaranteed 3 per pull

[hazy hull]

It's just every 10 pull gets you a guaranteed 3 of the manga units

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I see

This is more incentive to pull lol

[hazy hull]

Ye

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Okay lets try one or 2

Actually 4 would give me 24 coins

[hazy hull]

True

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Maybe I can get Frieza or Gohan whichever I don't get

[hazy hull]

You'll probably get at least 1 within 4 10pulls

but yeah

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1st

:0

[hazy hull]

Ayyyyy

The only ones you didn't get were Buu and piccolo

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Let's see if I can get them lol

[hazy hull]

Piccolo is good and Buu can basically become unkillable pretty quickly

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2nd

Ladies and gentlemen, we got em!

[hazy hull]

If you want you can pull until you get enough to exchange for a character

Or just stop here since you got 2 each of the 2 arguably best ones and 1 each of the rest

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Yea I might just stop here because raze say I can get away with banner units at 55% HiPo

[hazy hull]

Oh yeah 100%

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I'm fine with them at 55% maybe in future I can pull them again to 100%

[hazy hull]

As for when doing the Hidden potential for Frieza and Gohan (Unlock bottom right for both although you will have to grind for their super attack levels but that isn't too hard)
Frieza: Dodge with Additional attack for the one you cant choose dodge on
Gohan: Additional with Crit for the one you cant choose additional on

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Oouuu okie dokie

Also for the super attack how do you level them without using my elder kais I remember leveling manga Goku when I did I used more manga Goku for 100% chance but also had other Goku's to pick from that would give me 1% chance. What's that about?

I thought only using the same copy would give me percentage

But it says 1% for some

[hazy hull]

They recently updated it.
Basically now it works as follows:
As long as somewhere in the chain of dokkan awakening that unit has the same name (Say it starts as base goku then dokkan awakens into a super saiyan goku) it can be used to raise the super attack of any unit that shares the same name as it
So essentially for Manga goku for example any SSR that isn't another copy of it gives a 50% chance, but if that unit is Z-awakened into a UR, it gives a 100% chance

Units with just the name "Goku" and nothing else are probably the easiest to farm as the LR PHY Goku that you have has a very easily farmable UR Drop of it's pre-dokkan awakened form so every "Goku" with nothing else in its name has an extremely easily farmable super attack level

So now most units in the game are much more easily farmable for their super attacks

Actually on the main menu the Giru's guide on the right side of the screen has a section where you can find a unit and it will tell you all the places you can farm for it's super attack

The only manga unit AFAIK that is going to be a pain to farm the super attack of is gonna be Piccolo since he has (Giant Form) in his name

Also Gohan I think as well

He does have a free one in the bojack story but it's only an SR so it needs to be farmed more due to the lower chance

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Ahh this makes a bit of sense I just found out about the giru guide yesterday lol so I've been just collecting the f2p units from the guide not really farming or building them just to build my box a bit

[hazy hull]

Some are definately better than others

The possessed units (Gohan, Goten, and Trunks) are pretty good

There's the clone team but they require keys atm (They're honestly still kinda worth it tho)

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Yea I did a bit for the clone team when I first got things started with my daima team then I didn't know how to get more keys so I'm just waiting for them to come back to use stamina

[hazy hull]

Fair

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I even got their alternate arts

But I didn't know I had to get the alternate art for their HiPo

[hazy hull]

Funnily enough actually, with any of the Super class Manga units they're a half decent leader for the clone team as the clones plus a super class manga leader fulfulls the manga leader skill

[hazy hull]

yeeeeeeeeah that's why I didn't bother with it

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Woah how?

[hazy hull]

They have each type in there and with a super class manga leader that fulfills the manga leader skills of at least 1 of each type along with at least 1 super and 1 extreme

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Yea I was kind of perturbed after that lol

So any of them could be the leader :0

Wait who is the leader for an all manga team?

[hazy hull]

Technically PHY Glorio does fit all of them

[hazy hull]

Actually I kinda forgot Gohan's the only super class Manga unit (besides Goku but he doesn't have the same leader skill)

So Gohan would be your clone team leader

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Nice because I haven't even DA'd STR zamasu yet yet alone EZA him

I only awaken him once

[hazy hull]

The one that turns into the LR?

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LR Zamasu (Goku)

yea and he is locked behind keys aswell

with his medals

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oh I mustve missed that banner

I just started maybe 7 days ago

[hazy hull]

All good lol

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then who to lead?

without him?

[hazy hull]

Any of them besides Goku

All the summonable ones have the same leader skill

Although from what I remember Most of them also fit under Daima SSJ3 Vegetas as well

Actually all of them but Manga Goku fit under SSJ3 Daima Vegeta's

But the issue with that is you need an ally with Goku in the name to get the most out of all of them

So just run a team with all the manga units with any of them besides goku as the leader

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Kk I will do this for now lol

[hazy hull]

This also gets the most out of manga goku as he wants a World Tournament, Saiyan Saga, Namek Saga, Cell Saga, and Buu saga teammate to get the 50% dodge chance and 1000% ATK and DEF

and would you look at that, the other manga units fit that

What a funny coincidence

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🤣 yes that's actually perfect I got them all

And I will use manga Gohan for leader for clones for now until I can eza zamasu

[hazy hull]

Also all of the summonable manga units want another unit from either their saga or the previous one for their entrance animation buff

[hazy hull]

Gohan's actually a signifigantly better leader when it comes to atleast raw stats. He's 3ki 200% HP and 170% ATK and DEF compared to Zamasu's 3ki 100% for all 3 stats. Zamasu does link with the clones better though and does let you use a friend's STR Rose and Zamasu who is an insane unit

[rare karma]

Woah entrance animation like daima4s

[hazy hull]

A lot of newer units have entrance animations that give them usually temporary buffs

Usually only a couple of turns

Manga units have them as well

Theirs last for 40 turns

[rare karma]

This is a good idea to use rose zamasu friend to double dip lol

Woah and the manga units can use each for the entrance animations

[hazy hull]

Yeah. Basically it comes out to a difference of only 20% with the double manga leaders giving 340% ATK and DEF while Zamasu + a friend's LR STR Rose and Zamasu gives 320% (220% from Friend's Rose and Zamasu and 100% from your Zamasu)

[hazy hull]

Yeeeeep

It does mean if you wanna swap anyone on that team you have to swap them with another unit from their saga (or the previous one) with the same type as them (Except for Buu since you'd still have an AGL with Manga Goku)

Although from looking at the first image of your box the only unit you could actually swap out is the Vegeta for your STR Yamcha

It's better to just keep it as all manga though

[rare karma]

Oh my box has gotten bigger lol a bit since I started

Mainly f2p units

From story and events

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Can I use manga Gohan and friend str rose zamasu?

[hazy hull]

The Manga units all also stack infinitely based off of something with it being
Goku: 19% for just each normal or super attack
Gohan: 35% Each Super
Frieza: 26% for each attack evaded (although once per turn when he evades something he also gets an additional 100%)
Piccolo: 16% for each attack he's hit by (not including dodges so don't give him dodge)
Buu: 39% defence (he's the only one that doesn't stack both atk and def) with each attack he's either hit by or evaded)
Vegeta: 19% every time guard is activated (which essentially means every time he's hit by an attack as long as there is a Goku on the team. If there isn't it means every time he's hit by an attack he resists aka a PHY attack)

[hazy hull]

Yes, but Gohan would only be under his own leader skill. So while the Clones and Rose/Zamasu would be getting 420% HP and 390% ATK and DEF, Gohan would only be getting 200% HP and 170% atk and Def

They also all get buffs if you have a goku (Not including youth, Ginyu Goku, Goku Jr, Goku Black or anything similar to those) on your team

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Holy moly

[hazy hull]

Gohan's though only changes STR orbs to TEQ which is helpful but not necessary

So basically you kinda want all of them 'taking' hits besides Goku and Gohan

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So what is the rotation for them? If only Goku and Gohan should be taking hits?

[rare karma]

Rose/zamasu are two separate units?

Are you talking about str zamasu

This one?

[hazy hull]

They're what's called an exchange unit. Basically after a couple turns you can swap back and forth between the 2 of them for the rest of the battle. The usually do different things so one is usually more useful than the other depending on the situation

[rare karma]

Ohh I see

So this one I have is the basic leader?

[hazy hull]

So when I say Rose and Zamasu im referring to this one

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Ahh I see

[hazy hull]

Yeah when I say just Zamasu im referring to the f2p one

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Kk makes sense

[hazy hull]

This is the icon for them

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RoseZamasu I can use only as friend

[hazy hull]

Yeah since you dont have them

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Kk and I can use zamasu for my leader

Or swap for Gohan?

[hazy hull]

I would offer to let you use mine

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Just making sure Im not confusing myself

[hazy hull]

Id say Zamasu

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Kk

[hazy hull]

It's essentially about 70% less attack for the clones and RoseZamasu, but they get a better linking partner, and Zamasu is getting the 320% compared to Gohan's 170%

It also makes it easier cause with Gohan as the leader it'll automatically just give you another Manga unit as a friend/guest leader, while with Zamasu as long as one is available it'll give you a RoseZamasu

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These are my teams so far

[hazy hull]

The ginyu id hold off on doing stuff with until you need a category they're all under for a mission just cause its annoying to farm for them and they're not very good

Your best team by far though will be the daima team

For rotations just kinda toss Ssj3 Vegeta in slot 1 since he gets an additional when hit with a normal and an additional when hit by a super (max once each per turn) along with damage reduction

Other than that you can just toss one of the dodge units up front and pray

They'll be your best bet in any remotely challenging short to medium events and even some long events

Manga team due to their infinite stacking may have the advantage on longer events

Remember though stacks only carry on in a singular continuous battle. If between fights you go back to the board all those stacks are lost

But yeah that manga team is essentially what I use a lot of the time at the moment (with both vegetas swapped for Gomah and the PHY Glorio)

Honestly though any of those teams cleanly sweep any content that isnt made to be challenging

If you need to do the actual ezas (the non eza area ones) id just use the daima team

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I have rotation for daima but I meant for manga team

[hazy hull]

For manga team just put all the ones besides Gohan and Goku where the most attacks are. The team does have a little issue of not being the best at linking with eachother but the saiyans link decently

Id say try to keep Gohan or Goku in slot 2 though so they can stack more

[rare karma]

I've been using this rotation for daima tho

Daima4 + Ssj3Daimageta
Friend Daima4 + Daimageta
Floaters:Glorio - Miniccolo - Panzy

[hazy hull]

Not bad

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Who is best friend for manga? All but Goku?

Who do you have for slot 1?

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I kind of stopped working on them after I got the daima team going lol

[hazy hull]

Slot 1 can honestly be any of them besides goku and Gohan as they all wanna be on the receiving end of attacks

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Kk so pretty much float them around with buu probably

[hazy hull]

Kinda yeah. Make sure frieza dodges atleast once per turn he's around as well

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So the only two I don't see in the giru guide are manga Gohan and piccolo under SA column indeed a pain already

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the good buu only gives 5% SA when you awaken him to ssr, am I missing something?

5% towards manga Buu

How many of these would I actually need to farm? Like 100+?

[dusk musk]

#1380247313380933873 goes over all that.

Also idk why you summoned on the manga banner, the units dont really provide anything of value to you

Glancing over the """advice""" that was given.

No their lead isnt good, its super restricted and it doesnt really help you for anything besides their own team (yes there might be niche applications for it, like world tournament teams, but this is generally speaking).
No you cannot use Gohan as a lead for the clones as that locks you out of using STR LR RoseMasu as a friend which means the team is pretty much nonfunctional. Gohan doesnt have his intro in that team and you dont have proper rotations like that.

As for dupes on the Manga units:
They arent really gacha units, like yea they are, but they have lower base stats than usual. They are basically designed to be 79%+ so you can fix their stats with the orbs you can get from the daily event.

Gohan and Frieza are the most usable (emphasis on usable, not good) out of the bunch, but even then you are not very likely to run them because of their intro restriction.

[hazy hull]

You're thinking like a player who's been playing for years

Im trying to help him have solid foundations to start his account on

But I forgot the hate train towards the manga units just because they're not "optimal"

Also the Gohan leader for the clone team was just a temporary suggestion due to the fact that for him to be able to actually use LR F2P Zamasu he needs to be SEZA'd which might not be something he's currently able to do

And due to the fact that F2P leader skills in general are weak as hell

[hazy belfry]

There is no hate train towards manga characters. I haven't seen that at all.

[hazy hull]

Literally everywhere online (twitter/reddit) I just see in every comment section of a post like "Oh should I pull for the manga units" every comment is just "Oh they're the worst units ever dont pull any of them they're all useless"

Maybe i just doomscroll too much tho

I think they're good though, especially for a new player, for a specific reason. Ontop of just being decent, some of them have categories that dont have many good units (especially f2p ones) so having decent ones for those categories for missions or the SBRs is great

[dusk musk]

Especially for a new account they are absolutely worthless.
For an established account they can have some niche use.

[hazy hull]

Like goddamn wicked bloodline, Majin Power and Giant form all suck unless you have very specific premium units

The fact that Piccolo is a non transforming giant form unit is pretty good as all the f2p giant forms are luck based

[hazy hull]

Gives him a team for longer events

[dusk musk]

They have a DAIMA team, so they have a team for everything the Manga team can do.

[hazy hull]

Gives him decent units for later category missions who's categories dont have good f2p units

[dusk musk]

Units that are barely usable outside of their full team (except for Gohan and Frieza) are not really valuable for anything.

You are grasping at straws to justify wasting stones pretty much.

[hazy hull]

Aight sure I guess im just an idiot who gives bad """Advice"""

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😭 that 79%+ throws a wrench in the 55% rule we established in the beginning basically 55% allowed me to just have one copy of gacha unit not wasting anymore DS but now I would have to try to get more copies to make them usable if anything spending more DS 😭 I should've waited...

Should I restart the account? It's only been around 7 days 😭

[hazy hull]

(They're still usable without 79% btw)

[dusk musk]

No

[hazy hull]

Yeah no the daima team alone means you really shouldn't

Btw Raze they only spent 60 stones on it

[dusk musk]

The Manga units are a bit different than normal gacha units as they have lower base stats than normal gacha units.

They are still collectors units, so thats fine.

Since you are unlikely to run the full manga team anyway they still fulfill their filler purpose on other teams, their performance on other teams doenst really change either way.

This is a very special banner in terms of summoning pool, very unusual compared to all banners besides this one.
Technically Super Dragon Ball Heroes had a similar format (just one guaranteed featured per summon and 50 stones per summon), but the Manga units basically took their spot since the SDBH celebrations ended last year.
Both of them had the "issue" of being lower base stats than normal gacha units thats offset by having guaranteed featured units and only those units are in the pool as SSR+ units)

Basically making you summon around the same times to get one copy as it would take you to get three+ copies for the Manga/SDBH units.

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Oh I see but they aren't really good as my daima team no where near it seems. I can only 55% HiPo them right now and I'm not going to keep pulling 😭 so I guess it's nice that I got them all in two pulls but other than that idk 😐

[dusk musk]

And no amount of dupes would change that.
For super long content (like Festival of Battles) MAYBE, but even for that I have heard very mixed things about them.

See them as filler for other teams/missions in the future, but yea.

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Okie dokie we will see in the future I guess

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This is what I'm talking about

[royal wave]

yea ok so

follow what I said

try to get AGL and PHY clone slot 1, the others struggle there a lot

and try to get 1 same type orb for every single clone whenever possible

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okie dokie i will try this what about slot 2?

does it matter for this team the slot 2?

woah

ok this is way better

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Not slot 2 I meant rotation 2

So phy agl on either slot 1

On both rotation

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Is that what you mean?

[royal wave]

no not really

[royal wave]

yes what I mean is PHY slot 1 on one roto and AGL slot 1 on the other

you should rarely ever die if you do those 2 things I said, but its still possible due to rng of getting the type orbs and all that

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Kk tysm

What is https://discord.com/channels/136358090474913792/1417883219201753259 for?

Is this for all eza ?

If so I think there's an error

[royal wave]

as it says its only for sub ezas, which is the term used for banner units that eza (not DFEs or LRs)

theyre side unit TURs that need less medals than regular DFE TURs, but the medals come from the same regular EZAs

[royal wave]

see shes a regular eza (f2p but still), that guide is only for the specific units I described above

basically the reason these guys need less medals is because its pretty tedious to get eza medals once youve gotten the regular amount needed for a normal eza (the ones in that pic u sent)

when you do an eza up to lvl 30, that is all the medals you need to awaken the unit of that eza

problem is if you need more (which you only do for sub ezas or for some reason u want to eza the same unit twice), you have to redo certain levels

that only give a few of the medals per run like 2 bronzes for eg.

so you have to replay level 10 as the guide says 6x for sub ezas (normal eza needs 40 bronzes that would need 20 runs just to complete the bronzes alone lol)

sorry if this is lots of yap but im trying to explain it correct for you since youre a new player

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What does sub mean is that a dokkan vocab? Also TURs?

[royal wave]

^^

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Like substitute eza?

[royal wave]

this is the best way I can describe it

banner units that come out with new DFEs, for example right now theres the PHY Mini Piccolo that came out alongside TEQ DFE Daima SS4 Goku

if that phy mini piccolo would get an eza in the future, thats what we would refer to as a sub eza

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Why because it was after the fact?

[royal wave]

its just sub because its a tur thats not a dfe and is obtainable unfeatured in every banner

[royal wave]

why what?

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Wait what's a tur?

[royal wave]

TUR is just what we refer to as a UR that can be dokkan awakened, normally if an SSR can only be z awakened we call that just a UR

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Ooouuu

[royal wave]

but a TUR is for eg. Daima SS4 Goku or PHY Mini Piccolo who after you z awaken them

can still be dokkan awakened

then they get a whole new art passive etc

T = transcended

[rare karma]

So when the unit gets a eza in the future after it was a DFE it becomes sub eza and tur?

Am I getting this right?

[royal wave]

no, sub ezas are only for the banner units that release alongside dfes

like I told u that example of piccolo

bascially dokkan doesnt give any unit besides DFEs and LRs their own EZA, sub eza units are the ones that use a DFE unit's EZA stage for their medals but need less than the DFE (12/20/20/12)

[rare karma]

Let me reread 1 sec

I think I get it

Is there a sub eza active now so I can have a look?

I mean is there a eza active now that a sub exam is using so I can see

[royal wave]

all of them are active now

a good example is the most recent one, teq syn

hes also very good, in fact better than most regular dfe ezas

as you can see here, he needs the medals for STR DFE Omega Shenron's EZA event

https://dokkaninfo.com/events/zbattle/31

this event

so for the STR DFE Omega, you would already have al the medals to eza him just by doing level 1-30

but that gives you EXACTLY enough medals (15/40/30/30), you will have 0 medals left after

to get that sub eza syn, youd have to replay levels to get 12/20/12/12

hope that example clarifies things

[royal wave]

the thing is youre new though which means you dont really even know the different types of units to begin with, I wouldnt worry about this so much

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I found it

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Yea lol

[royal wave]

have you seen the 2 new player guides? I would go through those

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I was just wondering if that guide initially was telling me how many times to run the eza

[royal wave]

its telling you many times you have to do specific levels

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I'll go through it again

[royal wave]

so level 10 must be done 6x to get 12 bronze medals (it gives 2 bronze medals each)

but yea id just focus on doing ezas for the first time to begin with since they give 1 stone per level and ofc allow you to eza units to make them stronger

dw about sub ezas

[rare karma]

Yea but it's just for sub eza

I was thinking about regular eza

[royal wave]

indeed, you never have to redo/replay any levels for a normal eza

it takes 0 stamina normally

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That's where I got confused

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Yea I won't any more I didn't even know it was a thing until you told me the difference

But I followed the guide mostly

The beginners guide

[royal wave]

yea just do that

start with finishing quest and easier events like idbh and boss rush etc

id save all stones for anni in 2 months

[rare karma]

Yes I'm already farming DS and doing all the events that are coming up saving as much resources as I can

I started about a week or two ago

11 days ago

I made a daima team and made the f2p teams and clone team

I only did 2 rotation on Daima banner

And I pulled on the manga units but not really useful as my daima team so I lost 60 DS on that :0

Other than that I haven't been wasting stamina or eating meat or wasting keys much

[royal wave]

yea manga units def not worth if u already had a team

yea just do your dailies and try to do easier events

[rare karma]

Yeah they are collectors items now lol

[royal wave]

and finish quest asap

anni you will walk out with some really great stuff

[rare karma]

Yea I'm running through dailies and doing the easiest event farming all the f2p units as well

I should have around 5k DS before anni come around based on the numbers in the guides

And all the quest too help alot

I cannot wait hahaha

[rare karma]

Am I going about this the right way as far as farming f2p units. I know about farming dragon ball story and quest dokkan story units. But also I am doing the event stories that rotate as well and building them as much as I can go until I complete them or I hit a block when they are locked behind the portal of memories. So far I farmed all the current event story units and awakened them as far as I could without spending keys to finish their last awakening steps mostly all except the clones.

And to wait until it unlocks the rest?

[dusk musk]

Yea I wouldnt use keys on the EZAreas unless you actually NEED the unit fully awakened rn, just have them prepped for then the EZAreas return

[rare karma]

Ahh so this is the normal like method or rotation of play I guess you can say?

It's starting to make sense to me now

[dusk musk]

Pretty much

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Also should I do their HiPo or would that be a waste? Since I'm not sure what units are viable

The only thing I do is check the HiPo guide and insert skill orbs for now

Based on what the guide says

I don't know if I should 100% everyone or just leave blank with skill orbs

[dusk musk]

Unlock their HiPo paths, but dont fill out the tree yet as you dont have an abundance of these orbs to fill them out as a new player

Just fill them out when you actually need them

[rare karma]

Okie dokie ty

[dusk musk]

When you play for a long time your HiPo orbs look a bit like this

(Likely even more as I rainbowed a lot of random SSRs for coins)

When you are at that point you can just fill out random units

but when you barely have any you gotta be atleast a bit selective

[rare karma]

Woooaaaahhh

Awesome okie

I guess the next time I should ask what units to make teams would probably be during anni right?

That's when I will get bulk units

Plus the one I gathered from f2p until then

Then I would really know who to flesh out

[rare karma]

What happened to all your DS!?

[dusk musk]

Either that or when we good banner thats worth summoning on before anni (which is unlikely)

[rare karma]

Ahh makes sense

[dusk musk]

I summoned on Daima4, I dont mind paying for stones so I dont really stockpile them
And F2P stone sources wise I pretty much exhausted everything

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Btw is it ok to make makeshift teams to get the drop rate bonus?

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Oouu I see are you like a whale :0

[dusk musk]

Absolutely, you should be doing that.
Story events are super super easy so the only real requirement is that the units are all under the lead (even that is kinda optional)

[rare karma]

Okie dokie

[dusk musk]

Not really, I rarely go for dupes on release (only when I REALLY like a unit) and I just buy stones when I really want a unit.

[rare karma]

Oouu maybe that would be a good idea for my first anni. I wouldn't mind doing that if it has something I really like and want

[dusk musk]

Generally I wouldnt recommend anyone to buy stones as it is practically burning your money.
Ofc if you get enjoyment out of it then sure, but you gotta keep in mind that its basically gambling without a win condition.
Either you dont get the unit you want and feel bad you wasted money or you get your JPEG and paid money for it.

It really depends on how much disposable income you have basically.

[rare karma]

Hahaha 🤣 yes it's all pixels but yes I get that too

I understand tho

We will see what happens during anni if I even need to tbh since I have untapped DS resources

I just realized if it's only just 1+ than generic orbs does that mean it's pretty much pointless and minor stat increase won't really be seen?

[dusk musk]

I dont understand what you mean exactly

[rare karma]

I'm trying to find a generic skill orb to compare

Actually let me look in the wiki

Okay I think I found the example, which one is stronger?

Being exclusive doesn't make it better right?

As long as I get the better stats either would work?

So I wouldn't really have to farm the orbs in some of these story event

I guess just having access to more is convenient for the unit in itself

[hazy belfry]

Those images you showed with the orbs. They are exactly the same only difference is the category restriction on other

[rare karma]

So the category exclusives are just a convenience?

Not really necessary if I have the same generics

Having a tism moment

[dusk musk]

Yea

Category/Character locked ones CAN be better, but dont have to be

If its the same levels its the same orbs

[dusk musk]

In the example I gave you:
6AA + 3ATK doesnt exist as a generic orb

[rare karma]

Oh that's right 3atk not 3AA

Ty for that

The 3ATK is that just pure DPS increase?

Wait I see it would +300atk

Okie dokie I get it now

[dusk musk]

3ATK for skill orbs is a bit special

3ATK
as Bronze -> 300 ATK
as Silver -> 600 ATK
as Gold -> 900 ATK

But yea its just a straight up damage increase

[rare karma]

Oh wow it is specific to the rarity also

Interesting

[dusk musk]

This only applies to ATK/DEF

[rare karma]

Right the others just add the level to their respective stats 6AA would be LVL6

6+ AA to whatever it was

Oh yeah it's all coming together now

[dusk musk]

In general per level:
AA = 2% chance for an additional attack (50/50 between normal/SA)
Crit = 2% chance to crit (seperate chance from passive)
Evasion = 1% chance to dodge (seperate chance from passive)
SA Boost = 5% SA multiplier added to the existing multiplier

Type ATK/DEF boost and Recovery boost is a bit more complicated, but those are all generally not worth it

[hazy belfry]

Only on very specific edge case which you don't need to worry about

[rare karma]

I see okie dokie ty again for helping me to understand better

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Hey so I need help with some of these fights where I can only pick from the select few of heroes

I farmed them all to max SA except the LR greatsaiyamen 1&2 and I'm trying to awaken the rest but these fights only allow me to bring certain units

Even unlocked all the paths for them

But they all are still at 0% HiPo

Am I wasting time trying these since I don't have good units yet?

[hazy hull]

Im pretty sure these only allow F2P units of certain categories for them, with one specific one being required (usually the one getting eza'd)

[rare karma]

It only lets me pick from those and they aren't really strong enough to even make it through

I can't eza any of them because of that

[hazy belfry]

You can try this out. It would help of they are at least 55% in hidden potential. They are strong enough to do it without problem

[rare karma]

oouu i see i didnt do any HiPo b/c i didnt know if it was a waste of points for me lol ty

btw should i do anything with this new banner or just ignore?

Also should I HiPo 55% all my f2p units I've been getting? Just in case?

[hazy belfry]

Nah only when you need to use them

[rare karma]

Okie dokie only if I see

Any words for the banner?

Or too early to tell

I don't mind waiting for anni I'm still collecting ds

[rare karma]

Any idea?

[hazy hull]

Wait for the anni

Make sure to do the event mission if you can to get the free 14 tickets though

[rare karma]

Which event?

[hazy hull]

Actually nevermind that mission is a bit too difficult for you

[rare karma]

Which one??

:0

[hazy hull]

If you go to the main menu then to the missions menu and the event tab, it's the first one. One of the ones in that gives you 14 tickets

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This?

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Can you give me a name?

[hazy hull]

That yeah

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Okie dokie yeah it looks tough maybe just skip it for now

[hazy hull]

Even I had some trouble with it

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Can I replace the Hercule unit with someone else? I don't have him

[hazy belfry]

PHY trunks

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Kk ty

Also is there a rotation for them or just go

Damn still not strong enough lol

Even at 55%

[dusk musk]

All of your F2P units should be 100% when you fill out their HiPo

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I don't have enough orbs though

I thought only the f2p units that are viable should be 100%

Even the ones I farm out from events?

Like the ones shown?

[dusk musk]

All the units you have in that team are F2P, yea

or are you talking about a different unit?

[dusk musk]

I am talking about this + the PHY Trunks

[rare karma]

Oh I see but in general I thought most of the f2p units aren't worth 100%? iirc

Only the special ones from the list you showed me before

Until tao

[dusk musk]

The ones I showed you are the ones that are usable in actual teams

F2P units need to be 100% as they are designed around that to function.

[rare karma]

Oouuu

[dusk musk]

Ofc if you dont have a use for an F2P unit yet you unlock their paths, but dont fill it out yet because that would be a waste of orbs.
If you need to use them you fill it out.

Basically:
Farm F2P units to max SA and unlock HiPo paths, but dont fill it out if you dont use them.
If you use them fill it out

[rare karma]

I see now

Kk gotcha

Now I need more HiPo orbs

[dusk musk]

Back to the EZA grind you go

[rare karma]

Oh right they did give them how do you know which eza gives which exactly?

Is it random?

[dusk musk]

They give the same color of orbs as the enemy

[rare karma]

Can I do a previous level to farm them?

Or was that a one time drop for the level?

[dusk musk]

Its a one time drop per level

but there are a buttload of EZAs

[rare karma]

Ah I see makes sense

Do they happen to rotate them out like other events?

Maybe in the portal perhaps?

Also what is the max level?

[dusk musk]

Thats a bit more complicated now and I dont fully understand how they rotate tbh.

All EZAs up to a certain release are always available, everything newer is active during its release and then it goes into the portal.
I dont know when the newer ones come back.

[rare karma]

I see

Okay I just hit lvl 31 on one

[dusk musk]

For Medals/HiPo orbs/stones -> Level 30 for UR EZAs, Level 10 for EZAs
The actual cap is 999, but beyond 30/10 you only get Zeni

[rare karma]

Oouu okie the platinum hercules

I gotcha now

[dusk musk]

Yea its a great way to farm Zeni, but not really what you are after rn

[rare karma]

Yup yup

Ty

[rare karma]

Is there a specific rotation for this team? I keep losing and I'm not doing it on auto at all

I've won twice but seem to get unlucky on the setup at the start

[dusk musk]

iirc its mostly RNG, the EZArea is kinda ass.

Ig put the EZAd HerculeBuu and the PHY Trunks as your slot 1s, but thats about it

[rare karma]

Gotcha ty again

PHY Trunks is actually carrying me 😂

[rare karma]

Finally got it but I need to farm more zeni after doing the awakening I am broke lol

Btw I have the 3 red ds what do I do with them as a new player/account

Or who should I get

[dusk musk]

#1443875794437935205

[rare karma]

Oouu I see I can get up to 3 units nice

Will we get more of these stones or is this a one time thing?

[dusk musk]

They give them out every few months

no you cannot save them, you need to use them before they expire

[rare karma]

Oh ok I see

As long as I get 1 of each unit over dupes it says but my unit box will any of these work for something I have or am I just collecting based on priority?

Or I guess for the future

[dusk musk]

Can you post your box again? Because of all the yap its hard to scroll up fully

[rare karma]

Lol I'm sorry 1 sec

[rare karma]

any ideas?

[dusk musk]

You have TEQ Daima4, so both SSJ4s can be helpful if you can do their SEZA.

Id keep one just in case they announce another SEZA this celebration.

[rare karma]

when do they usually announce that? Like the later half of the celebration? Just to keep an eye out just incase if they expire soonish

not sure how it goes with them

[dusk musk]

They expire in a month and yea if it happens it will be announced in 2-3 weeks

[rare karma]

oouu kk so I'll just grab those two you suggested then and wait for any announcements

btw with my current daima team should i use those two with them or just build them and set aside?

[dusk musk]

Whats your current tream again?

[dusk musk]

If you can them:
Daima4 + Daimageta
Friend Daima4 + SSJ4 Goku
Floaters:
Miniccolo - SSJ4 Vegeta - Glorio

[rare karma]

kk thx again raze you are the best 🙂

[rare karma]

Are the ssj4s considered gacha units?

[rare karma]

I figured it out no worries

[royal wave]

you can get them free from the red stone they just gave out but they still count

theyre the 2nd anni units so they technically are

[rare karma]

What's a good team setup for this EZA mission?

[hazy belfry]

Replace last unit with required one

[rare karma]

Hercule and who should be in slot 1?

[hazy belfry]

In the fight?

[rare karma]

Yes plz

For the rotation srry

[rare karma]

Any ideas?

[hazy belfry]

AGL Hercule & Buu + PHY Hercule.

Other character options that you have for this stage are

LR PHY sayaman duo
PHY kid trunks + kid Goten
Int SSj 3 goku

I usually don't pay attention in rotations on Eza areas due to how easy they are.

[rare karma]

Just bad RNG I guess not able to get through without being two tapped

Wasting stamina trying 😂

[rare karma]

Did you just do it on auto?

[hazy belfry]

Sometimes I do manual to manage the rotations. Looking the def stats etc.

[rare karma]

I see

The phy trunks carried me on the other one but I keep forgetting about typing

That probably would help

Uub is kind of lackluster

[rare karma]

Can either one of these go on my team?

[hazy belfry]

What's your team?

[dusk musk]

The answer is no either way

[rare karma]

KK ty

[dusk musk]

They are good units for F2P only stages, but in any "actual" stage they are basically unusable

[rare karma]

Ohh I see

Well I only have the team you built for me and the other f2p teams

Wait what do you mean by actual stage?

Like one of those multi battle stages?

[dusk musk]

Challenge stages that are not restricted to F2P only units

[rare karma]

Ahh I see

Oh right I don't think I've done one at all

Too hard for me right now

[dusk musk]

This team can do most challenge stages

[rare karma]

Oh?

Including the new units you put on there?

Ssj4s

[dusk musk]

Yea that just makes the team stronger

[rare karma]

Sweet

[rare karma]

Hope this helps

[dusk musk]

Daima4 (lead) - MangaBuu - Miniccolo - SSJ4 Goku - SSJ4 Vegeta - Glorio
Friend PiccoloJr

MangaBuu has an AoE SA
The friend lead isnt active in WT, so the leader skill is irrelevant. PiccoloJr has an AoE active thats instantly usable, basically clearing the stage instantly when hes on rotation.

Id recommend bringing the following support items:
Ghost Usher, Baba, Whis, Icarus

Ghost Usher and Baba being the most important ones, so you dont get oneshot by an SA before you kill the enemies.
You basically dont have rotations either, you just put your AoE units in the front so they can clear the stage quickly.

[rare karma]

Ty ty you are the best

[dusk musk]

Also I just figured id mention it, dont take it personal if I dont remember a team I gave out.
I give out too many teams to remember them all, I usually forget what team I gave out like 15min after I did it.

[rare karma]

Yes no worries I will always try to reference this log of text 😂

I really appreciate your patience with me

[rare karma]

Should I skip awakening the prime battle f2p LR units as new player and just keep collecting all the f2p. So far I've just been collecting all the f2p units from events and story mode and not really awakening anyone

I have just been saving resources really for the Anniversary units

[dusk musk]

Farming other F2P units first makes the grind for PB units easier, but in the end it doesnt matter in which order you do that

[rare karma]

I see I see

[hazy hull]

Id personally reccomend non prime battle first though

[rare karma]

I ended up getting an LR berus&whis from the divine tickets :0 I guess I can save him for later

Btw there is a section in the baba store for new select DS but they are blue?

[dusk musk]

Yes, you buy them with real money

[rare karma]

I see.. who would be worth it if I would get it? With my current team you helped me with

[dusk musk]

I dislike giving advice thats directly tied to money, but:
PHY EZA LR SSJ4s probably

The issue with PHY EZA LR SSJ4s is that they compete with PHY Daimageta and STR SEZA SSJ4 Goku to be in slot 1.
You cant float either of these two units and floating the PHY EZA LR SSJ4s is also kinda shit.

[rare karma]

I figured you'd say that (money and Phy SSJ4s) lol but as long as it's you, I trust you very much and also if I do go for it I have disposable income but it also will go towards the anniversary ds bank I'm saving :0

[rare karma]

Ohhh!

[dusk musk]

But overall the PHY EZA LR SSJ4s are amazing (including other teams) and id probably run them over one of the units you have on the team

Probably over the Daimageta as they link better with TEQ Daima4

[rare karma]

They would just replace him for slot 1 keeping seza ssj4 able to be in slot 1 also

[dusk musk]

Yes

[rare karma]

I see, actually was hoping to replace glorio lol

[dusk musk]

SSJ4s + Daima4 (lead)
SSJ4 Goku + Daima4 (friend)
Floaters:
Miniccolo - Glorio - SSJ4 Vegeta

[rare karma]

But this will work 😉

Losing phy daimageta isn't too big of a deal right?

[rare karma]

Thanks for this

[dusk musk]

Its better in some situations, worse in others

[rare karma]

If you don't mind me asking are those hyper specific situations that I will rarely run into?

[dusk musk]

Appearance 1 performance they are very similar
Appearance 2-3/4 Daimageta is better as slot 1
Beyond that the SSJ4s are stronger

Against units specifically the SSJ4s are generally stronger (no matter the appearance)

Ignoring slot 1 performance

These are the buffs Daima4 gets next to the SSJ4s from links

Compared to Daimageta

Like its not a black and white whats better where

[rare karma]

I see but this does help me figure it out a bit so thank you for explaining it

One more thing before I forget, if I do get these 3 blue ds is there a priority list like for the red select ds for the last one I will have or is there a chance they will SEZA one of them meaning I should save the last one just in case?

[dusk musk]

No because we usually dont do those for real money things.

[rare karma]

Ahh I see I see

[dusk musk]

But if I had none of the units id get:
PHY LR SSJ4s
TEQ LR SSGs
one of the Y3 LRs (INT LR Goku&Vegeta and PHY LR Goku&Vegeta) as they should be the next anni units that SEZA

[rare karma]

YOU ARE THE BEST!!

Wait there's another select ds 11.. from exchanging milk..

I didn't see this yet!?

This one is f2p i think

[dusk musk]

#dokkan_news message

[rare karma]

Ahh ty again senpai :0

[hazy hull]

As long as you do roshi's training everyday it should be yeah

[rare karma]

Hey @dusk musk are the new years step up worth it or should I keep staying the course for anniversary?

[dusk musk]

Save

[rare karma]

Kk also I apologize for pinging you so late if it was

[rare karma]

Hey raze so what do I do after finishing both story modes?

These are what I have so far 😬

But not sure what to next, maybe challenges?

I don't think any of these teams are strong enough for them tho

[dusk musk]

#1332884938693017621

And the first team you have can definitely do a lot of challenge events

[rare karma]

ty

[rare karma]

Okay I'm back with more questions if you are around raze?

1. I have 8 select stones so far working on a 9th soon and the store just opened, who should I grab?

2. There is an 11th anni countdown banner, is that bait?

[dusk musk]

Wait till anni, there will likely be SEZAs during anni.

[dusk musk]

Yes thats bait

[rare karma]

Okie dokie will message first thing anni launches thx again

[rare karma]

SEZA is when they have the glowing border right? Like the gt ssj4 Goku/Vegeta?

[dusk musk]

Yes

[rare karma]

I see so does that mean they will be at max or can they go to LR?

[dusk musk]

EZA/SEZA have nothing to do with rarity.

EZA = Extreme Z Awakening
SEZA = Super Extreme Z Awakening

EZA -> Refreshes an older unit to be up to date again
SEZA -> Refreshes an older EZAd unit to be up to date again

[rare karma]

Ohhh

Okay ty I will ss this if you don't mind?

[dusk musk]

Sure

[rare karma]

Ty I have more slight question about the SEZA

There is a ssj4 gogeta in the store, units like that have a chance to get a SEZA?

[dusk musk]

INT EZA Gogeta4 did EZA like 5 months ago and is still very strong today.

Units usually get a SEZA after like 4+ years

[rare karma]

Ahh so I missed it since I started around 3 months ago I see

If they don't introduce any SEZA during anni(maybe that's unlikely idk) but would you recommend him for my team you helped me with?

[dusk musk]

What is the team you are running?

[rare karma]

This one

[dusk musk]

And the team you are running is VERY likely to change during anni anyway

[rare karma]

Ahh because the new ssj4

[dusk musk]

And all the other units you can get there

[rare karma]

Right

I see

[dusk musk]

But for the team you have he doesnt work as he isnt covered by the lead

[rare karma]

Ah ok

[dusk musk]

We have #1463833752311566424 for general recommendations now

[rare karma]

Oh?

Okay

I'm still going to be patient like you said I was just wondering

Sorry to bother again

[rare karma]

Hey sorry to bother you again raze I have a few more questions about things that are going on rn in the game

I'll just leave them here get back to me when you have time no rush

1. I need help with the ultimate clash with Kid Buu to get those summon tickets. I'm not sure if my teams can handle it. I may need some guidance with that.

2. I pulled the trigger on the rank packs in the store before they disappeared for good but I also received a bunch of tickets for the baba shop to get units, specifically SSR force tickets. Who do I grab? Also I'm debating on the power surge pack but it doesn't look like it's going anywhere at this time. Is the ticket useful in obtaining someone I could use? Dw worry I have disposable income I waited for the anniversary to roll around to ask you these so your input is invaluable.

[royal wave]

ik im not raze but

for Clash you can just use these teams you already have since they have no overlap they can all be used for a seperate boss each

although the only thing is clash requires 7 units and has no friend lead meaning 2 units on the team must provide a leader skill

for manga im sure thats not hard at all you just have to bring a 7th manga unit

for saiyan saga team I see you have STR Piccolo/Gohan, all youd have to do is awaken them and make them the 2nd lead

[rare karma]

3. I figured out that I should pull on the 11th anni DFE banner with the ->tickets<- since I dont really have any units overall but who should I be specifically be looking for in general?

[royal wave]

for gb clone team its tricky because you dont have any seperate unit that leads them all unlike those last 2 I mentioned

but I believe duplicates are allowed in clash in that case you can just bring a 2nd clone unit as the sub lead, preferrably one of the defensive ones like AGL or PHY

daimakus is the trickest of all because of the team being split by his lead

I think the best bet for that is:
PHY DAIMA Piccolo (lead 1)
INT EZA Mini DAIMA Goku or AGL EZA Mini DAIMA Vegeta (lead 2)
TEQ Mini DAIMA SSJ4 Goku
AGL EZA Mini DAIMA Vegeta or INT EZA Mini DAIMA Goku
PHY Mini DAIMA SSJ3 Vegeta
INT Panzy
STR Glorio

despite the weak leader % the units are pretty strong so it shouldnt be too bad

only thing is theres 5 enemies so you still need a nother team, the only thing left really is the Bardock squad theyre really bad but the first enemy is the weakest they might be able to beat that in which case you can likely beat the entire clash

honestly though clash ends on the 13th of Feb meaning you could just wait a bit until you get (surely busted) units/teams from Anni and just wash it

sorry if that was a lot I didnt expect it to be lol

[royal wave]

I think for your current box the AGL EZA Kid Gohan is the best option hes pretty solid on a Demonic Power set up, after that the TEQ LR SSJ2 Gohan is probably the next best

[royal wave]

idk if you meant the anniversary DFE banners in a few days or current ones but definitely dont pull on any banners out right now and wait for anni ones. We dont know the exact banner at all yet but you always should aim for getting first copy of the new unit

[dusk musk]

Xcape already answered the other questions, so:

I assume you mean the tickets you get from the Ultimate Clash?
You cant really foucs any unit anyway, but the best outcomes would be:
PHY Glorio, INT Daimaku, STR LR Beast, PHY LR SSJ3 Goku&SSJ2Vegeta, STR LR GT Duo, PHY EZA LR Gohan, TEQ EZA LR Piccolo, INT EZA LR V&T, STR EZA Gamma, AGL EZA Gamma, AGL LR SSJ Duo, STR LR Cooler, TEQ EZA LR SSGs, PHY EZA LR SSJ4s

But any other unit that hasnt EZAd yet is also a good pick up for when they EZA

[rare karma]

Hey @dusk musk I just logged in and there are UR and LR stones I know you don't give advice but I have disposable income that's being said how do I get these stones and who do I pick? Should I do both banners first like you said then pick those up or wait until after part 2 to use the LR and ur stones?

Are they even worth getting for 3month old new account? The units I mean from the ur/lr stones

[dusk musk]

LR stone wise:
PHY LR MBS Duo (if they EZA)
STR LR GT Duo (if they EZA)
PHY EZA LR Gohan
TEQ EZA LR Piccolo (a bit more niche)
INT EZA LR V&T (good lead, but doesnt do super well with newer event anymore before build up)
AGL EZA LR GoldenFrieza (you need a team to run him and hes a yellow coin LR, so rollable on all Carnival/Legendary banners unfeatured)
PHY EZA LR SSJ4s (mostly for long events)
TEQ EZA LR SSGs (mostly for long events)
AGL EZA LR Gohan&Trunks (categories make them fairly eh to run, but the unit is decent)

[dusk musk]

UR stone:
INT EZA Gogeta4 (but is available F2P with red stones)
STR EZA Gamma (somewhat niche to use)
AGL EZA Gamma (somewhat niche to use)
AGL EZA Kid Gohan (only runnable within his category restriction)

The lists arent ordered in any way

Its just top to bottom as I saw the units

[rare karma]

Alrighty I'm back I still haven't pulled yet but I bought a few things only for anni

Do I use tickets first or stone?

[dusk musk]

Always tickets first

[rare karma]

And do I use these after part2

[dusk musk]

Tickets are limited to specific banners

Stones arent

[dusk musk]

Ideally yes unless you NEED something right now

[rare karma]

Kk

[rare karma]

Alrighty two more

Are these worth anything if say I pull everything ?

[dusk musk]

These are for returning units and they do not expire

[rare karma]

And are these units any good or are they like decorative?

[dusk musk]

Just trophy units

Kais / Meat > Whatever else

[rare karma]

Oh nice so I can save them forever until I want something?

[dusk musk]

Yes

The selection for the red coins are always the RETURNING featured units on DFE banners

So everything but the new ones

[rare karma]

Returning I see

Are the blue coins and scouters different?

Oh maybe for different banners?

[dusk musk]

Blue coins are the same, but for giga niche banners (I dont think we had a banner that used them in like 2 years)

Scouter Points are for getting tickets to the scouter banners
https://dokkan.wiki/summons/11966
https://dokkan.wiki/summons/11968

these change like every 6ish months

[rare karma]

Ohhh

Okay this is good information

Gotcha thx again raze I'm going to follow this and if I have more q's I'll be back tysm as always

[rare karma]

@dusk musk

[rare karma]

So part 1 of my anni is complete

Here is my box now

Now I have a few questions

Sorry if this is bothering you

[dusk musk]

Daima4 (lead) + Daima4
Daimageta + SSJ3 Vegeta
Floaters:
Daima4 (friend) - SSBs - Glorio or Duu

[dusk musk]

Feel free to ask them, if I would be bothered I would either tell you or not answer lol

[rare karma]

Lol thx raze

[dusk musk]

But im about to go to bed as its nearly 2am here

[rare karma]

Okie dokie I'll post and you can respond when you are back ☺️

[rare karma]

Ok sorry I got busy here are my questions

1. Why is daimageta in slot one and not ssj3 Vegeta?
2. Are there any more teams I can make now or just stick with the main team you made for me?
3. Any more teams that can help with ultimate clash?

5. I still have these, am I still holding until after part 2 pulls?

6. Are these for part 2?

7. Is this prediction true?

8. This should be enough for part 2? I'm going to buy the ticket packs like I did for part 1 unless they don't do tickets for those?

[elder hawk]

holy this is still going

just wow

[rare karma]

?

[elder hawk]

900+ messages

lol

[rare karma]

Why are you pushing messages up?

[elder hawk]

I'm doing recently active

lol

[rare karma]

Can you stop?

[dreamy brook]

1. mini ssj3 vegeta gets extra dr in slot one and ssj3 vegeta has to be slot 2 (or 3) to give guard to daima allies (which phy mini ssj3 really wants/needs)
   3 For ultimate clash, you can use f2p teams with some gacha units mixed in to help.
   5 The stones, you can hold on to in case a unit ezas or your priority changes as long as you don't need/want any of those units rn, but just make sure you use them before they expire (the red ones never will) For the 11th anniversary celebration tickets you can go ahead and use them on whichever banner fits best. For the tons of thanks tickets, a banner will be available for you to use them on later in part 2. Overall you can hold on to most of that stuff until after part 2 summons

[dreamy brook]

Yes, they are for future events that may come out from now until the end of the celebration.

[dreamy brook]

Based on what we've seen for part 1 banners, yes

[dreamy brook]

You will have enough to pity both of the headliners with that amount, so i'd say so, but more stones wouldnt hurt. They will release tickets for part 2 as well

[royal wave]

ssj3 vegeta also gets most of his defenses on super he cant really tank anything threatning in slot 1 really

[royal wave]

I can help with 2 and 3 at the same time

so for 3, the DAIMA team I gave you was more of a makeshift one due to not having a lead that covers all but now you can just use the new team Raze gave you for that (with LR STR SS4 Goku lead 1 and LR TEQ SSJ3 Vegeta lead 2), he put SSBs on there but ofc since this is full DAIMA dont use them and rather put both PHY Glorio and Duu on the team which makes 6 units, the 7th can be really any DAIMA unit if I had to pick I'd probably choose Mini Piccolo but the F2Ps work as well

and now you can replace one of the worse teams with this new one which can also be used outside clash:

LR TEQ SSJ Goku + Vegeta --> Vegito (lead 1)
PHY LR SSJ4 Goku & Vegeta (lead 2)
LR STR SSB Goku + Vegeta
PHY SEZA SSB Vegito
AGL SEZA LR Trunks & Goten
AGL SEZA SSJ4 Vegeta
STR SEZA SSJ4 Goku

if you dont have time or cant SEZA the Trunks & Goten you can just awaken and use either LR STR Rose + Zamasu or LR INT EZA Fusion Zamasu

both not great here but its just for now and clash is easy so there wont be an issue really

I would say for the non-clash version of the team use SSB Duo as both lead/friend and replace the GT units (that SSBs dont lead) with TEQ EZA Androids 17&18

[rare karma]

I see I was just curious why, I haven't really begun to understand the stats and why units go where yet ty both of you guys

Sorry i didn't respond to the other answers before I read everything but decided to wait for anni to start to ask for an update guide for them b/c now I have so many new LRs I pulled

[rare karma]

When you say use full daima is that just for ultimate clash? Or the team in general?

[rare karma]

Okay I see this would be another team to use outside of ultimate clash? Or are these both for it?

[royal wave]

both teams basically you can use in both clash and normal, its just for clash they have to be done with 2 leads and they must be those units specifically

and theres 7 units on the clash teams vs 6 on normal

[rare karma]

I see

[royal wave]

its just that I would recommend not using LR STR SSB Duo on the double DAIMA lead team

even though now I realize that unit is on both leads but

the other team that I made needs them so

and in clash you can only use a unit once

[rare karma]

Is there any other teams I can make from my whole box?

[royal wave]

I mean STR LR SS4 Gokus lead is very versatile so you can put in units like LR STR EZA SSJ Goku or even Gomah but most of the units will be the same as the ones shown

if you mean completely different team with seperate units I dont see any more no

also keep an eye out on that PHY LR SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta, they will almost certainly EZA in part 3 of this anni and very likely be very strong as a DFE Anni LR EZA

[rare karma]

Wait there's a part 3!?

[royal wave]

another thing is I noticed you summoned past getting first copy for both units, I'd recommend not doing that in the future since any good unit can work well 55% and its much better to get more new units than more copies of old ones

but at least you did it on anni banners which are much stronger than average ones

[rare karma]

I didn't summon with stones I got them with tickets

[royal wave]

oh I see

so you got 3 copies of both with just tickets??

[rare karma]

Yes then I went for the other high prio and med prio

Yea I didn't use much stones at all

[royal wave]

yea but see we would recommend not doing that

its best to stop once you get the new unit

[rare karma]

Around 500 on both

[royal wave]

no matter how yo ugot them tickets stones etc

but like I said if youre new and have many stones for the first time on anni banners its fine

[rare karma]

Yea I get that but I want the other prio stuff

High medium stuff

[royal wave]

yea its just not really worth chasing lower prio units thats all

[rare karma]

Yeah the low priority just came with them

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its good that you got the PHY LR though they will likely be on the level of the new units

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yes

anniversaries always have at least 3 parts, sometimes they have a bit extra part at the end called EX

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But I made sure to get the high and medium prio from the https://discord.com/channels/136358090474913792/1107854364418265172

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pt 2 will have 2 new units like part 1, part 3 usually no new units but will give EZAs to the Anni LRs of 3 years past

its possible they will also SEZA the 3rd years this year but thats just a theory right now

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like I already said its always best to stop once you get the new units, especially if you have all the Highs

this is mostly for f2p though I mean if you spend a lot then you have more leeway

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Yes but I wanted them

I have no units

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yea its just our recommendation

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Ik

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and like I said if its a new account and for anni banners which are a lot better than others its not that bad

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I just follow the https://discord.com/channels/136358090474913792/1107854364418265172 high and medium prio

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mostly meant it for going forward future celebrations

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Only for anni tho