Add freedreno kgsl support in Amethyst

[fallen vale]

Any ideas on add freedreno kgsl support in Amethyst?
It has better performance than zink, and might be better than using the system's opengles library and GL4ES(it only support adreno tho)
but the problem is I dont exactly know how Amethyst works... like does it use some internal x11 server, or it's some custom thing get used instead?

[tropic sedge]

I'm pretty sure Zink already uses freedreno as a vulkan driver. And freedreno only works on unrooted devices through kgsl

Or do you mean freedreno gl driver and not turnip?

In that case I doubt it will be faster than system's default gl implementation and you would still need core gl -> gl es translation layer

[civic phoenix]

Freedreno is actually slower than zink

[ivory forge]

we did not test kgsl backend

[civic phoenix]

How about soldev's launcher tho

I believe soldev tried freedreno with his Adreno 650 phone no?

[ivory forge]

that wasnt the kgsl abckend

the kgsl backend is fairly new

[civic phoenix]

Wot

[ivory forge]

it wasnt really in a working state when soldev tested it

[civic phoenix]

Then how does Freedreno run on android in the soldev launcher?

[ivory forge]

bel theres two backends for freedreno

theres one for suerspace and another for kernelspace

[civic phoenix]

I know

msm and kgsl

[ivory forge]

the one in soldevs launcher uses the one for userspace

kgsl was not tested

afaik

[civic phoenix]

But android doesn't use msm?

Or...

I confused

[ivory forge]

Dude Turnip uses msm

[ivory forge]

ur the one lost

[civic phoenix]

What.

[ivory forge]

kgsl was never tested

[civic phoenix]

Dude what are you talking about?

[ivory forge]

msm works under userspace

userspace

[ivory forge]

freedreno msm IS NOT freedreno kgsl performance-wise

[civic phoenix]

if kgsl was never tested, then what's kgsl doing inside/dev/ directory? (sudo cat /dev/kgsl-3d0 = OH HAI GPU jumpscare)

I mean, it's supposed to be msm no?

Just asking

Cuz im not really good at kernel space thingy

[ivory forge]

the freedreno inside soldev launcher did not use kgsl

kgsl is present on snapdragon socs

what are you confused about

kgsl and msm can be present at the same time

[civic phoenix]

It is? Then what about turnip in aamc?

[ivory forge]

it uses msm

turnip can onyl sue msm

[civic phoenix]

Does it also use msm?

[ivory forge]

theres no turnip kgsl

it doesnt exist

[civic phoenix]

Either you are gaslighting me or people gaslighting me

[ivory forge]

idfk

[civic phoenix]

Can't either trust your information nor people cuz fuck internet for spreading massive miss information grr

[frigid jolt]

I remember sol saying that it used kgsl and that nobody was able to get it to work with msm on android

Ik vera attempted to make freedreno GL use msm, and I'm pretty sure it did not work

[pearl grove]

I can pr this

I think I have pred this before

dedicated UMP 1 build with only freedreno

can do that

[frigid jolt]

im not sure if its worth it tho

[pearl grove]

freedreno supports Adreno 5xx

turnip does not

but also

[frigid jolt]

freedreno isn't faster than zink on android

[pearl grove]

turnip supports Adreno 7xx+ but freedreno does not

[frigid jolt]

i don't think a5xx is gonna benefit from a renderer that runs at sub 10 fps

[pearl grove]

better than virgl

[frigid jolt]

its still too slow for those gpus

its already extremely slow on low end a6xx

i can't imagine how it will run on a 5xx

[pearl grove]

I think someone's tested it before

[frigid jolt]

maybe on old vers of mc

[pearl grove]

iirc it's better than virgl but like barely

[frigid jolt]

virgl is also bad

[pearl grove]

I want original pojav ANGLE back

getting that for SCL 5 will be pain

or 4 idfk

I remember on my J8 it was good

but shitty mod compat

[frigid jolt]

i don't think its gonna be any better than mg/ltw

[pearl grove]

40fps ANGLE
2fps gl4es

remember

[frigid jolt]

adreno?

[pearl grove]

Adreno 506 I think?

this was on a superflat world

I forgot what version probably latest at the time

[frigid jolt]

it might have the adreno gles driver bug that causes horrible perf in vanilla with gles renderers

[pearl grove]

it did

[pearl grove]

maybe

[frigid jolt]

do you still have that device?

[pearl grove]

sadly not

at least

I don't know if it's in working condition

[frigid jolt]

oh

[pearl grove]

also

that J8 was 32bit

32bit OS

Android 10

had vulkan support but 32bit

1.1

[frigid jolt]

still better than no vulkan

[pearl grove]

they're like 70-80$ US if any of y'all wants to get one for testing

[frigid jolt]

yeah no

[pearl grove]

[civic phoenix]

How about MG

[pearl grove]

that device is dead

[civic phoenix]

Try it with your google pickle

Iirc google pickle update has Vulkan 1.4

I saw somebody report google pickle with vk 1.4

[pearl grove]

I don't think mine has yet

maybe soon™️

I'll see

[pearl grove]

Pixel perf same gl4es and MGLUES

[frigid jolt]

vk 1.4 shouldn't affect the perf

[pearl grove]

well

close

[civic phoenix]

It is kinda, probably fix some issue from old driver

[pearl grove]

kinda weird seeing zink Vulkan 1.4(Mali G715 (ARM_PROPRIETARY)) tho

[civic phoenix]

Wait till panvk walks in and

[pearl grove]

imagine vulkaninfo on PC

[pearl grove]

I wish

[civic phoenix]

zink Vulkan 1.3 (Mali-G610(PANVK_MESA))

Oh well panvk already Vulkan 1.3 on V10 GPUs

Might support V9 aka G57 and G77 soon

[pearl grove]

imagine my dead Ulefone running panvk

[civic phoenix]

Tbh, zink is better than OpenGL driver provided by Freedreno

[frigid jolt]

how so

[civic phoenix]

Idk if virgl also counted but

Zink is kinda smooth than other opengl renderers (though the fps is still shit :3)

[civic phoenix]

Afaik, arm did add VK_EXT_robustness2

Though

It only supports null descriptor

[civic phoenix]

Bro got Vulkan 1.4 early access real

[frigid jolt]

a16

[civic phoenix]

Idk what google pickle model do you have

[pearl grove]

I'm on Android 16 and driver 53.0.0 only

Vulkan 1.3 just checked

[civic phoenix]

Better than my Vulkan 1.1

Literally ass

I'm planning to get an adreno phone after this

[civic phoenix]

Perhaps this is spoofed vk version

[pearl grove]

Bro is on Android 16 QPR 1 probably

Version 54.0.0

[civic phoenix]

On the website, there should be "Core 1.4"

But it wasn't here

Idk android

[civic phoenix]

Beta moment

[pearl grove]

Build BP31

Yea QPR1

Android 16 is build BP2A

[civic phoenix]

Bro updated too early ig

Expect to get bug jumpscare

Android 16 beta jumpscare when

[pearl grove]

What's missing for Vulkan to run zink on termux

[civic phoenix]

Shaderclipdistance, fillnonsolid and i forgot the last feature

Apparently some bifrost Mali doesn't support VK_EXT_custom_border_color so zink might report that the extension is missing too

[pearl grove]

Adreno 640, rip my Galaxy S10, lost it on a bus last year 😦

[civic phoenix]

Someone probably stole it

[pearl grove]

probs

[ivory forge]

what the fuc

my sources have lied

they said it didn't exist

[pearl grove]

Freedreno kgsl?

It doesn't

I used a fork that made it work that became UMP

[pearl grove]

This is wrong even in upstream