It is definitely close enough at the moment to be repairable
#how the sequel lost Its core
steep dust
rapid wolf
pretty much exactly what i was going to say. none of the momentum or acceleration from the first game is here. you cant even do certain actions at the same time (like firing a grapple and double jump, the two most basic and numerous actions in the game, and you cant even do them at the same time?!)
not to mention that surfing and grapples are not at all the same as from the first game.
If they just tweaked some numbers, allowed animation canceling (this feature was so fundamental to the first game that it wasnt even something anyone ever mentioned, it was SO baseline and intuitive), and fixed surfing,i think the game would be PERFECT.
i already really love the aesthetics, the sound design, the voice acting, music, etc. and im sure the maps that ive yet to play are fun (when the mechanics get fixed).
frigid vale
It is definitely close enough at the moment to be repairable
im not sure, im running into the most minor issues that ruin my whole run
steep dust
im not sure, im running into the most minor issues that ruin my whole run
exactly, they are all minor issues that can be fixed
hallow dirge
This is jsut the playtest, give them some time to start getting the nitty gritty right. I will however note that there doesnt seem to be any real exciting changes or anythign fresh in this game. It feels like a port of the old game with a fortnite aesthetic. I hope they have some new mechanics in store or atleast some idea to keep the game fresh and the players engaged otherwise, its going to just lose the playerbase quick
flat flame
quite the headline you made there :D, way too early to make that decision don't you think?
steep dust
yes, that is what happens when you change to 3d instead of 2d
fast stirrup
just because it's a playtest does not remove any critisims or feedback about the game
sly whale
Yeah, I'm not sure if the artstyle really fits with the 3d very well
fast stirrup
hop off with the nothing burger ahh "too early/just a playtest" responses fr
hallow dirge
Well thats a good thing, there's no point in creating the exact same game again
sly whale
Yeah, I'm not sure if the artstyle really fits with the 3d very well
It feels like they tried to both have the art style and the game being 3d but it really just didn't work, the art style just feels more bland
As of the current playtest, it just feels like a 3D remake of Speedrunners with slightly different physics
hallow dirge
hop off with the nothing burger ahh "too early/just a playtest" responses fr
Its important to temper expectations in a playtest, you are not getting a finished product rn, feedback is good but just saying its not as good as the last game doesn't make sense
sly whale
As of the current playtest, it just feels like a 3D remake of Speedrunners with ...
still a good game, but I definitely prefer the 1st to this
steep dust
still a good game, but I definitely prefer the 1st to this
for sure
sly whale
I think this just looks goofy in a bad way
rare bluff
I think this just looks goofy in a bad way
But you could have fortnite collabs imagine Goku speedrunning
sly whale
if I'm gonna be completely honest, it feels like if Speedrunners was a Two Point game, like Two Point hospital, with the 3d goofy-generic artstyle and announcer
flat flame
hop off with the nothing burger ahh "too early/just a playtest" responses fr
no, actually criticism and feedback is the entire point of a playtest, but bother all you like brother, if you say you are disappointed and your dreams are over you just have no idea about the iterative process of development, that is the distinction mate, take care
sly whale
I'm also wondering if this is intentional or if it's an animation error
steep dust
the entire point of the playtest was to have people be able to articulate what they think needs to be changed
hallow dirge
Thats literally nothing of what I said. I said if they are experimenting with changes its a good thing, such as changing the aesthetic, even if it turns out looking bad for now. This is the playtest, its supposed to have problems, this is why feedback is important, you let them know the graphics are not good (which is something I agree with) but fundamentally thats the whole point of creating a new game
copper vault
It's a different engine.. do you expect Copy&Paste works?
hallow dirge
But you could have fortnite collabs imagine Goku speedrunning
Imagine an assault rifle from Fortnite, and you just shoot the others and win that would be great
fast stirrup
no, actually criticism and feedback is the entire point of a playtest, but bothe...
mfw this thread from the op says what you're saying bro
lmao
it ain't just oh sorrow woe is me it has critisism and feedback
lol
you may not agree with it but it's there
steep dust
we are fine with the criticism
in fact I agree with most of it
its the oh sorrow woe is me bits that we are pointing out
sly whale
I kinda wish the game was less 3d honestly ;sob
rare bluff
It does feel like I'm playing through molasses op is right
fast stirrup
the visuals are fine. but how the game is animated doesn't really reflect it well enough with how choppy it looks/feel
fast stirrup
I kinda wish the game was less 3d honestly ;sob
yeah going from 3d is a huge change and for a game that is all about speed, responsiveness and snappiness it really needs to nail those things down
it's called speedrunners for a reason
flat flame
you may not agree with it but it's there
no, i agree with most of the feedback, i only do not share the level of disappointment the OP has
fast stirrup
i like the game but I'm also disappointed
rare bluff
It'll take them time to do that, I assume they want to appeal to the masses first with other shit than specific physics only hardcore fans care about
fast stirrup
for a game that is supposededly dropping EA in 2025 there is a alot missing in my opinion
sly whale
I think they need to focus in on the parts of Speedrunners that made it so iconic, which was the movement, competativeness , and artstyle
fast stirrup
It'll take them time to do that, I assume they want to appeal to the masses firs...
feel like if physics aren't done early enough into the game then after a certain point it would be hard to implement ""new"" new physics or tech into the game.
flat flame
mfw this thread from the op says what you're saying bro
You have an OP who is disappointed with grapple spam and devs literally stated they are working on it, i told him it is early for this, he says no, so just calm down with yall disappointment for a playtest that you have not paid anything for, simple as that, keep the constructive criticism and be patient
sly whale
I think they need to focus in on the parts of Speedrunners that made it so iconi...
definitely movement and artstylke to be improved
rare bluff
feel like if physics aren't done early enough into the game then after a certain...
It should be fine it's mostly there I feel like
fast stirrup
You have an OP who is disappointed with grapple spam and devs literally stated t...
i am dissapointed in the game that has nothing to do with forward grapple, grapple spam or up grapple
so uh
yeah
🙂
rare bluff
Implementing reverse grapple before spam grapple is interesting tho lol
fast stirrup
I like the game but I am also dissapointed in it
sly whale
i am dissapointed in the game that has nothing to do with forward grapple, grapp...
Good thing the game will be improved upon with your feedback!
It's important to give clear and concise feedback to make it easier for the developers to understand what you think
flat flame
I like the game but I am also dissapointed in it
there you go, just admit it brother, it's not like i am happy with a beta product, it's only that our best bet here is to say what we dont like as clear as possible so devs can make it, be patient and trust the process, devs would like to see supportive comments much more than "angry customers" (though we havent paid anything yet)
copper vault
Did i say "it can’t work"? No.
You make it sound like it's some easy thing to do. The way you tried to downplay my knowledge by citing something that doesn't exist LMAO.
My point was, that it's not just copy and pasting, but a way more complex task to implement the symbiosis of all these mechanics.. Manyy mechanics resulted from unintended behavior. Replicating them in an intended way, while also having a different coding foundation is not easy. That's what the playtest is for. Maybe you should rethink your knowledge about game development. 
fast stirrup
I already stated my problems with the game like an hour ago but alright lil bro
mfw we got reverse grapple (swag most of the time) before spam grappling
rare bluff
Pretty sure they meant that it'll take time and testing to reimplement and not just copy pasting
It's a hard thing to do across engines to get it close to the old game, it'll take them time
flat flame
I was 100% sure I was going to buy it, because i love speedrunners, even though every gameplay I had seen looked terrible, but playing it myself was even worse. It convinced me there’s no reason to spend money on a game I’ll never actually play.
LMAO,
copper vault
Seeing your reply and how you insist on, that your interpretation of what i mean is right, while also using this wrong accusations to support your statement just tell me enough haha. If feeding into your superiority-complex is what makes you sleep at night, that's on you. 
flat flame
Seeing your reply and how you insist on, that your interpretation of what i mean...
time to stop this convo for me xD
fast stirrup
just implement it right (or as close to the original as possible) 🗣️
rapid wolf
getting deja vu from this thread
the LAST time they posted a video about sr2
and this EXACT conversation happened...
copper vault
Again, never said that anywhere, you just interpreted it that way, even though i already explained you what i mean. Imagine.
low trout
Okay folks...
fast stirrup
It can be implemented right (or as close to the original as possible) but for whatever reason it's done wrong/incorrectly or not currently implemented
low trout
Let's make some things clear..
fast stirrup
what
sly whale
Can yall please stop arguing 😭
fast stirrup
💀
fast stirrup
Can yall please stop arguing 😭
idk seems pretty calm to me
I don't see crap being flung so it's pretty civilized
low trout
This is a playtest for community feedback to get things ready for early access where they will continue to work and improve the game.
low trout
This means this is the beginning of the feedback period. It's important to note that improvement will take time and that this is no easy feat to replicate such a beloved game.
They are working very hard on this and that's why they want your feedback. To make it better.
stone hollow
This means this is the beginning of the feedback period. It's important to note ...
Just go the Overwatch way. Get rid of a player and ship the same game again
low trout
So, please be patient and understand that they will collect all of the feedback and address it.
low trout
Just go the Overwatch way. Get rid of a player and ship the same game again
No thank you.
Thank you all for providing your viewpoint so far and we really appreciate you giving us your honest feedback.
brave laurel
where is battlepass and microtransactions??????🍿
fast stirrup
thank you for your words that I'm sure wasn't already known despite people do wanting the game getting better/giving feedback and not saying it's garbage/horrible sequel/shouldn't have been made or anything
fast stirrup
where is battlepass and microtransactions??????🍿
real
low trout
But remember, honesty doesn't mean you have to be a dick or rude.
fast stirrup
if I can't level a battle pass to level 100 or something for the low price of $19.99 the game is TRASH 🗣️ 🔥
sly whale
where is battlepass and microtransactions??????🍿
Hopefully none of that but I do want some sort of title system or smth soon depending on your level, since I'm guessing it'll take longer to make new skins and other rewards
copper vault
This implies that you make it sound easy. It is literally about your formulation. I'm telling you non-stop and you refuse to accept you understood something wrong.
fast stirrup
i don't think anyone has been a dick/rude toward the devs or anything so like
sly whale
I do hope that SpeedRunner gets his pointyness and visual speed back but also I think it'd be cool to add different skin variant images
low trout
It is my job to keep the peace and civility. If this means that you'll be muted or timed out if you act a fool, so be it. 😉
fast stirrup
This implies that you make it sound easy. It is literally about **your** formula...
it being implied it's easy or not is irrelevant? Only that it could be implemented which is what the main text was saying to begin with?
next time you message im pregnant man reacting you lil bro
stone hollow
🫃
flat flame
John you keep going
we had moderator involved (not my call to clarify)
just relax at this point
brave laurel
seems like the devs dont know much about how the mechanics work (surf implementation for example)
they just need some more straightforward information and time
ocean parrot
yep, this is a playtest. it does not represent the final product. thats why they are letting you guys play it. to give feed back (respectfully)
flat flame
second moderator joined the chat
it is so much fun to watch john argue with moderators 🤣
sly whale
anyone else noticed lag or screen tearing with the game open?
brave laurel
yup, i gave mine, hope other can explain it better tho instead of hating
sly whale
anyone else noticed lag or screen tearing with the game open?
idk if it's my computer, or the game on my computer, or the game
fast stirrup
it is so much fun to watch john argue with moderators 🤣
ocean parrot
idk if it's my computer, or the game on my computer, or the game
its better to make a feedback post or ask in general, this isnt the topic of channel 👍
brave laurel
i have 100fps+ with no screen tear from open to close
sly whale
its better to make a feedback post or ask in general, this isnt the topic of cha...
Oh I thought this was like a general feedback channel that's why everyone was talking in it 😭
low trout
It was a general statement.
ocean parrot
its a everyone message, not meant at one person
fast stirrup
i have 100fps+ with no screen tear from open to close
the game is apparently locked to 60 fps/ticks?
brave laurel
its not
fast stirrup
doesn't feel like hgiher then
brave laurel
it feels slower because of the character animations
they need more frames
yes i understand they dont have hundreds of hours playing sr1 to understand it, they just need info
really they should talk to a top player
low trout
really they should talk to a top player
We have been...
Lol.
Things just take time. That's all.
brave laurel
im not blaming, its hard because the top player cant help much just by explaining
low trout
Rebuilding mechanics from one game into another is really hard because it's never gonna be 1:1
low trout
It's an approximation. But they do have a lot of community members providing feedback and did so in the private testing phase.
brave laurel
im thrown off because i feel like the surfing would not be approved with any feedback
ocean parrot
if a top player was a dev...
im sure they would love to have someone like that on the team
ocean parrot
should say that to that person then, haha. im pretty sure they have an email to submit resumes
ocean parrot
im not sure what else to say, but this feed back is invaluable to the devs and they'll most certainly do the best they can. but its imposable to please everyone, so its always a good thing to be ready to except how some things are (for the future)
brave laurel
yeah im just trying to give some info, good luck to devs
frigid vale
did they ban op? cant find any messages from him
frigid vale
i tried reading it earlier but didnt get a chancce
ocean parrot
we didnt do anything
flat flame
we didnt do anything
damn, OP really made it look like mods were weak and cant take criticism
gigachad mods prevail
ocean parrot
we take all criticism, we only remove if it goes beyond that (insults, mocking or just being a jerk) we remove.
low trout
Tried to warn 'im
ocean parrot
theres also context a lot of people miss because the auto mod blocked something then we take more action and it escalates to a point of no return 
low trout
Well, maybe it's time to lock and move on, eh @ocean parrot?
ocean parrot
ye