Different Health Between All Humans

[acoustic lake]

Going off this suggestion: https://discord.com/channels/135491486983651328/1416447227081130104

I think it would be cool since in the UI right now it talks about humans having Health. But they're all the exact same at 150, except for Pyro, who sits at 180.

Since Pyro does it, why not everyone?

I think it'd be cool if Health variables were different based on who you picked.

This is how I'd order in order of best Health to worst Health:

This would also help classes feel a little more teamwork reliant, and less on "Lone Wolfing" Encouraging Scientists to stick near their team more to aid in Sniper vulnerability.

1. Pyro ( Best Health) - 185? Best (Buffed by 5 HP?) Could also stay at 180.
2. Commando - 165? Better
3. Pathfinder - 150 (Current Health)
4. Trapper - 135? Worse (Or keep it simply at 150) Thought about lower since his weapons are so strong.
5. Scientist - 125? (Worst Health)

[lost steppe]

Disagree about buffing Pyro by that 5%, but the rest is good.

[acoustic lake]

Coud stay at 180, yeah

[ornate pawn]

commando at 165 means cerato would need to take 4 bites to kill him, which is too much time to kill to even be worth going for with mando's high dps

[lost steppe]

What's current cerato's damage?

[ornate pawn]

50 bite, 60 tailwhip and pretty much 60 on headswipe

at this point I want tailwhip crit to be removed for 60 damage bites, but that's leaning off-topic

[lost steppe]

Buff cerato's damage to 55, problem solved

[acoustic lake]

Would mean a couple classes would have to be looked at in damage value, yeah

[lost steppe]

Tho I think it's worth so that all human classes wouldn't seem to be the same outside of their weaponary

[acoustic lake]

I agree, if the game is doing an entire relaunch via Evolution, I think it's a good idea

Makes the game feels a bit more fleshed out and dynamic between classes picked

[lost steppe]

I'd also add some differences in movement speed, tho in small values.

[paper hawk]

Game's human classes need to be like actual classes instead a different model with different weapons

[acoustic lake]

Neat idea instead of doing Stamina Values

Or maybe all 3 Health, Stamina and Speed values differing

[lost steppe]

How about this:
Pyro: 90% of current sprint speed value
Pathfinder and Trapper: 100% of current sprint speed value
Mando and Sci: 105% of current sprint speed value

[acoustic lake]

Small and subtle but nice, not oo overbearing

[lost steppe]

Too high values would be too punishing/op.

[paper hawk]

if trapper gets the lower end of hp, it may need speed to compensate imo

[acoustic lake]

I'd say 10% though, instead of 5, makes it ever so slightly noticeable

[paper hawk]

10 is what the monster drink gives no?

[acoustic lake]

I thought it was 25

[paper hawk]

which means trapper and sci would go at 135% speed

[lost steppe]

15% can make a huge difference, so I'd be careful with that

[acoustic lake]

Yeah lol retracted that statement to 10

Ill make a new suggestion for that too lol, why not

[acoustic lake]

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[warm roost]

That’s my biggest issue, play a game like tf2 or other class based games and most of them try to make the stats different from each other to make the classes feel more unique

[full cape]

My concern is how people would feel about the only girl on the team being the weakest hp wise

[ornate pawn]

tbh humans being under 150hp anyway still feels shaky, for years this game has been balanced around that hp number except for pyro

but I don't think scien should have any different stats since she's meant to be a sniper and a support, both usually have similar average health

[warm roost]

I mean think of it through the lens of tf2 where the sniper has weaker health therefore is intended to stay further back, I don’t really think it’s a gender issue as it is just making the class play as intended

[full cape]

I don’t disagree, I firmly believe snipers should be on the lower side of hp to make up for how oppressive they are at range, I just hope it wouldn’t rub anyone the wrong way.

[warm roost]

I mean if it does then, idk

It’s a game

If it makes up for it she can hold a gun and control the recoil that would probably blow me 3 feet backwards

[acoustic lake]

[latent lake]

To be quite honest I didn’t even think of that until you brought it up and I’m not sure how many other people would do the same

maybe that says a lot about myself but that seems more balanced around the fact that Snipers in most games are generally more reserved and defend themselves through distance rather than high healthpools.

[warm roost]

It’s already hard to kill a scientist player if they got the cat scientist equipped they get like 60% damage resistance I think her having less health is ok