Different Idea for how Cryo Acid Deals Damage

[void thistle]

I have 2 ideas for Cryo affecting damage overtime instead of the way it currently is and I'd like to hear how people feel about it.

The first idea is instead of having the Cryo's acid doing flat number whenever you walk over it. It would deal much lower damage, but tick a lot faster, and ramp up in damage the more you stand in it. So it'd start out for exmaple 6, then 8, then 10, then 12, etc. etc. until it reaches a cap of X number of damage? The damage would tick very fast to prevent never getting kills with it.

To help with this, what if the damage puddles were also slightly larger for better area denial? Pyro counters Cryo acid very heavily now, so I don't think it'd intrude on gameplay too heavily if the sizes of the puddles increased.

Second Idea was instead a massive single amount of damage upon direct spit, it would deal a smaller number, then sizzle on top of them dealing 3 ticks of Dot. So you'd have a 50 damaging spit, then it ticks three times for an extra 5 damage (To equal the current 65)

Same thing could apply for bile bombs, instead of dealing a flat 110, it would deal 80, then tick 3 times for 10 damage.

I jut thought it'd be a cool way to integrate soe more dynamic acid for Cryo that really feels like it's melting somebody rather than just flat acid damage, it'd probably feel a lot more satisfying in gameplay and really feel like some sort of sizzling damage output.

[severe sigil]

It’s still a net nerf for it while allowing consistent damage

I think it’s a good middle ground, kinda hate cryo rn and would prefer this so long as it’s lower damage on the whole

[void thistle]

That was the pitch I was trying to give here yeah, it's a big complaint a lot of the time with how much mass damage output cryo's doing instantly, so having it lowered a bit with sizzling overtime effects might make it more tolerable because sometimes cryo kills so fast you don't even have time to register what happened

[fair yew]

I think the damage ramp up should start at 12-20 but the acid pool lasts longer on the ground imo,

[south linden]

I like the damage ramp up idea, and the larger size if we also reduce direct damage and increase the stamina spit needs

[earnest venture]

Please dont decrease any direct damage for the non charged right click 😢

Whenever pce did that millennia ago the class really becomes dead

[south linden]

Idk, being pelted by 65 damage projectiles each second for 15 seconds isn't the best to fight against

[earnest venture]

Also not fun as a cryo to deal no damage and everyone elses bullets takes almost 1/3 of your health minimum, last time he got a damage nerf (however it it was before he could melt throwables) he was very much worse than Dilo

[south linden]

I still think it could be reduced by a tad, either in damage or the amount of damage a cryo can do (with amount of spits)

[earnest venture]

All he needs is a charged direct spit damage nerf, maybe some stamina cost nerf too

He has stamina on spit kills now and still has his F button ability so stam nerfs shouldnt be so evil to him and also doesnt punish Battle Cryo (the far better and effective playstyle vs Roof camping all game)

[south linden]

At base value direct spit damage and aoe spit damage need to be equal so you can choose which you want to use. As it stands, roof camping only exists because you're more likely to get a direct hit than a puddle, which does more damage

It's also easier to do damage from a distance than as battle cryo because you're less likely to get one shot, but you can't increase its health because then roof camping is more encouraged

[earnest venture]

Cryo gets tyrant rage mechanic

[south linden]

Maybe the direct hit spit could also get a ramp up mechanic? Start off low, get the "acid" debuff on the human, second hit deals increased damage?

[old isle]

I disagree with the idea of nerfing because of roof camping as it effectively makes cryo worse at fighting in closer ranges, which further encourages roof camping

[earnest venture]

Nah i want the normal rmbs left alone

Idc what happens to charged rmb. i barely use it cus its not how i play cryo

[old isle]

I think the only nerf cryo needs is to direct charged hits and then just some consistency to how the spit on the floor deals damage, I dont really mind how it works when its on the floor but just now it can be very inconsistent

[south linden]

Technically it's supposed to be useful for battle cryo since you deal more damage to more people

[earnest venture]

I think its kinda unhealthy behaviour for the class in general as it encourages players to waste spits on One human instead of supporting his team by melting stuff / briefly blinding people

[south linden]

Tweaks, not nerf. Everyone can run around it because of its size, and it has a weird range for damage (9 at maximum range and 35 at dead center), so I think a larger radius and the ramp up would be nicer for the floor puddles

[earnest venture]

I dont find myself using Charged spit as any of the two spitters really

[earnest venture]

I like the idea of it doing more damage the more your in it, but without a size increase with the puddles it wouldnt be very good cus who stands in spit puddles for more than a second

The size increase would have to be Mahhoosive

[south linden]

I'd say the same range as a commando ammo/health pack

[earnest venture]

Cus otherwise making it do more damage the more your in it is just nerfing cryo spit to do something pitful like 11 damage

[old isle]

I’m pretty sure the visual area is quite misleading currently too but I’m not sure if the suggestion would work because of the point ian just made basically

Either way I think some way to make damage on cryos ground spit to be more consistent would be a good thing

[south linden]

Yeah it's a circular (square) radius on a not very clear decal. Obviously you can't just change the decal to be a flat circle (square), but even then it could be hard to judge distance

[old isle]

I’m pretty sure you cant jump over it too?

[earnest venture]

Sometimes I can

[old isle]

Maybe just hard to tell where the hitbox starts and ends cause of the visual then

[earnest venture]

But yeah its hurt box is out of proportion to the spit texture

[south linden]

You used to be able too but everyone agreed that was silly, which was the last size increase it got

[earnest venture]

Yeah it is kinda silly

But to end my waffling

i think cryos Impact spit damage is fine for non charged spits

charged spit direct hits are unhealthy for the class in general and his opponents, encourages not supporting your team by melting equipment and hurting from afar

Im open to rework/changes to Cryo acid pools

[tribal phoenix]

Acid pool kills shouldn't give you stam anyways

[earnest venture]

idk, if cryo got a spit stam cost nerf it wouldnt be a problem

And dilo gets health with his venom kills now so its kinda like they are opposites of eachother

Cryo is a super glass cannon btw, u dont wanna make it glass

[tribal phoenix]

Dont like it how some cryo gets free stam (ammo) because some random Marcus Tyler trips on the nickelodeon slime

Becomes very spammable and annoying

[earnest venture]

I guess a good acid pool rework would make that less of an issue

[old isle]

Pyromaniac

[earnest venture]

And yes we are also having another pyromaniac buff

[tribal phoenix]

Was playing cryo janitor all week actually

[earnest venture]

Does primal pay the people who do that

[old isle]

I think cryo should get like one change at a time otherwise it could get put in a bad spot easily

[earnest venture]

With his such low health not having the proper offensive capabilities always kills his pick rate and super encourages roof camping

[south linden]

Pyro should take longer to ignite fire pools but that should only come with a cryo nerf, otherwise cryo would be even more oppressive than it is right now

Seriously you can get the same amount of points as a ptera by just igniting cryo pools currently

[earnest venture]

Can you really? Thats a cool thing ill start telling noobs

[old isle]

I think max cryo charge (direct hit) to 100, a change to its ground spit and this would keep cryo being strong but makes it less annoying to deal with at times

[south linden]

Yeah you get 20 points per pool (sometimes 20*2 because spaghetti code), and with 3 or so cryos per game spitting as often as they do, that's at least 15 pools per minute

The only caveat is you have to use flamesaw

[earnest venture]

Well from what ive seen in OT I dont think this is going to be an issue much longer…

[south linden]

Well, until that patch comes out anyway

[full coral]

overall these sound like fine enough changes to me

buffs cryos area denial effectiveness while also slightly nerfing its raw damage without making direct hits completely useless

[void thistle]

Yeah, the main idea was damage dispersal without outright nerfing it since we all know Cryo is a very delicate class

[severe sigil]

The ramp up damage i'm not quite as sold on but the direct spit doing DoT which also puts it in line with dilos acid makes it more interesting than just throwing free burst damage whenever you wish.