Give stungun the heavy melee attack

[tepid crest]

new heavy melee is cool but trapper is limited to using only the netgun if he wants to use the ability

let stungun have it too !

The animation could be a pistol whip, but I think considering the weapon is small and to make the weapon more unique, the animation should be a jab with the end of the gun. it should also give the opponent the 1 second stun effect similar to the LMB shot it has.

[unreal moth]

Bow should also get heavy melee

[tepid crest]

oh that would be cool. esp if the animation was like a jab with an arrow or something

[dawn grove]

MK pistol should get heavy melee.

[wispy olive]

Imagine blowing yourself up meleeing with a bomb arrow

[fierce crag]

I really don’t think bow needs heavy melee, it’s arguably the best sci weapon at close range already

Stungun yeah maybe

[upper prawn]

def not the best weapon at close range,AC can one shot without scoping,rifle is very accurate and you can kill your enemies fast,so if those have heavy melee,bow should have it too

[dawn grove]

AC cannot 1 shot without scope, it’s 2 shots for everything, bow could have heavy bleed from multiple or a big arrow stab?

[unique meteor]

I could see the animation for the stungun melee being a thrust forward kinda like the burst rifle, to make the tazer at the barrel make contact in the melee, result in some kind of zap.

I agree on a bit of uniqueness to the melee like you said.

[zinc scarab]

Option b, remove all current heavy melee from trapper and make it so it's KNIFE is the heavy melee, just like OG's

[upper prawn]

i m pretty sure i did a lot of no scope headshots close range with AC which is 375 dmg which is win

[prisma panther]

it doesnt deal 375 damage without scope i had many clips about it

like from 2 months ago idk if they changed it

[prisma panther]

i thought it was around 275 but damage might be different against testing pawns?

[wispy olive]

Get a friendly player rex

hard to miss its fat head

[shut quartz]

I’d say bow is the best at close range because of its explosive arrows, sniper and AC are fairly equal overall with sniper being better against smalls and AC against bruisers

[spark stone]

heavy melee SUCKS

[shut quartz]

Heavy melee is basically netgun but your team has even less chance to save you and every human gets it

Its insane on BR

[fierce crag]

If you had to hold a button I think it would be more balanced because right now you can’t tell if a human is about to use it and the dash towards a target thing doesn’t help much either

[shut quartz]

Yea I think if you had to put more thought into using it then it would feel a lot more balanced to go up against

The melee dash makes it very nasty too

[fierce crag]

Yeah

[shut quartz]

I’d make an exception for pathfinder though because he’s supposed to be the best cqb class

[dawn grove]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-gif-20230476

[midnight laurel]

You people are unhinged.
The whole point of humans is that they suck at melee compared to dinosaurs yet people think all human classes having super human strength to stunt a dinosaur with a single hit would be balanced or logical in any way or form.

[left steppe]

Yeah after the recent changes I agree

It's not fun to use or fight against

[plucky agate]

It's fun to use

[midnight laurel]

It's so damn cheap

[left steppe]

I use half my stamina to melee a target and I don't even have the option to use the normal melee since that's the 'out of stamina' option
Small dinosaurs are basically defenseless and you can stop momentum and things like bruisers, it's nuts

[shut quartz]

I think it makes mando and sci too powerful at all ranges

[left steppe]

Precisely, the issue of each human class being effectively good at everything is now magnified

[plucky agate]

Heavy melee with sci feeling like noscope headshot cheap I can agree on that

[shut quartz]

BR is very noticeable because it does bleed, extra damage and stun

[left steppe]

BR is actually insane with it lol

[warped portal]

ngl i get bored of john oviraptor orbitting me like an irate moon and sometimes i just want to see that annoying little thing stagger before i like explode it or db it

[left steppe]

I felt less cheap using double barrel

[shut quartz]

I’d say BR is the second best weapon after AR because of it

[left steppe]

Yeah BR is insanely strong
Your melee effectively puts targets smaller than bruisers into a death cutscene

[shut quartz]

I think it might give you enough time to ads and headshot, not completely sure though

[midnight laurel]

So many one hit kill options nowadays. Disgusting balance.

[shut quartz]

I find in actual gameplay it has most of the positives of sniper plus an extra 520 damage and even better melee but no drawbacks except from slightly worse range

[warped portal]

im bored of oviraptors and dilos so i like it lmao

[left steppe]

Heavy melee meshes better with certain weapons than others. I don't honestly mind it on something like the burst rifle but there needs to be consideration on other weapons if it is even necessary

[warped portal]

it's quite convenient on classic shotty

[tepid crest]

regardless of heavy melee problems i just think all primary weapons should get heavy melee (bow/stungun)

[shut quartz]

I think it makes sense on pathfinder the most

Could be nice if each class had a different stun time

[dawn grove]

melee isn't very used before 3.0, heavy melee gives it purpose as you can stun dinos, it might be cheap but it stops jumping dilos and novas

[wispy olive]

ermmmmm stungun is technically a secondary

[warped portal]

trapper dual pistol whips

[tepid crest]

https://tenor.com/view/smosh-shut-up-food-battle-anthony-padilla-ian-hecox-gif-16421151

[plucky agate]

Can you stun with a tail hit or does it have to be a head/bodyshot

[dawn grove]

and melee isnt 1 shot and it isnt the end of the world if you get stunned

[warped portal]

think if it just hits the body in general

but tbh i don't think spitters deserve tail armour sometimes

[dawn grove]

the head should stun them for a second and do more damage than body (or half a second)

[shut quartz]

If they didnt have tail armour they’d get pinged by snipers way too much

[warped portal]

pretty sure it's still a 2 shot but it does soften them up a ton

[shut quartz]

They can both survive 2 tail shots or 1 body shot 1 tail shot

If they cant then they die way too easily

[warped portal]

they survive 2 normal body shots tho

[shut quartz]

You mean headshots with melee should be the only way to stun them?

[viscid mural]

Isn’t the bow metal

[shut quartz]

180+180=360

[warped portal]

ngl this would just make it very inconsistent since the target is often very fast

[plucky agate]

Yes

[dawn grove]

No, the body stun should be also an option but if its the head it should do like 0.5-1 second stun and alot of damage as its the head your hitting hard

[warped portal]

that's what i mean, you said tail shots which they'd probably still die to

[viscid mural]

So basically your hitting a dinosaur with a slightly sharper windshield wiper which would really hurt if it broke skin

[shut quartz]

Ah so shorter time, more damage on headshot, longer time, less damage on body shots?

[warped portal]

nevermind, they survive 3, an armoured shot is 126 for the tail

[shut quartz]

288 total, cryo has 290 and dilo has 300

[dawn grove]

yes

[shut quartz]

Oh spino buff you mean thought you meant on regular armour

[shut quartz]

That would probably make it more interesting

[midnight laurel]

Stopping dilos and novas was not supposed to be what Netgun and Stungun primary fire were good for already? Sometimes i swear these suggestions seem to be made by people who has no idea humans are supposed to use teamwork instead of trying to solo every dino they see.

[warped portal]

melee was pretty bad except for the bleeding ones pre-3.0

[shut quartz]

I’d say its gone from too bad to too good so a middle ground between the two would be ideal imo

[dawn grove]

Oh I was talking about all weapons, teamwork is never in both teams, its kill as many people as you can and kill that person before your teammate does

[midnight laurel]

You can just get one shotted after that in the many different ways humans can do so nowadays. Taking mobility out of a class is one of the lamest mechanics a game can rely into and you want it for every class? Unhinged.

[dawn grove]

Only for smalls

[wispy olive]

Stock sniper on strongpoint shot does 108, 3 shot

[midnight laurel]

Which make most of the dino team anyway. But i am talking about every class being able to stun/immobilize.

[shut quartz]

Honestly I think if the stun was class or weapon based then it would be fine

[warped portal]

blindess, stam removal, the existence of pounce

both sides have annoying stuff that idk will be dealt with but i just want th CQC classes to keep the stun as good as it is now

[dawn grove]

Only smalls, Not bruisers or tyrants, you cant really hit a tyrants leg and stun it

[shut quartz]

I’d say sci should have the lowest stun time followed by mando, trapper, pyro then pathy with current stun time

[plucky agate]

Stunning a flyer is just a minor inconvenience if you're flying

[warped portal]

i want to slap those stupid birds out of the sky

[plucky agate]

"OW.. Anyways"

[midnight laurel]

You're still not getting me. I am talking about every human class being able to immobilize small dinosaurs, which make most of the dino team.

[dawn grove]

I mean, the devs can make it so heavy weapons do heavy stuns, scis sniper rifle can be a normal stun and her AC can do heavy

[shut quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/kylo-ren-star-wars-gif-20659694

[dawn grove]

Ik it makes most of the dino team but I would be happy if some (heavy) weapons can do heavy stun and light ones do light stuns

because if it was all weapons then its not very fun nor unique for the weapon

[midnight laurel]

Light stun immobilizes classes as well?

[plucky agate]

Slow down scis heavy melee a bit

[dawn grove]

For like 1-2 seconds maybe, Just less than the heavy stun that does 3 seconds I think

[shut quartz]

I’d rather it just do less stun time because she doesn’t really need to stun smalls imo

[dawn grove]

Bow can be the only weapon that doesnt do any stuns

[plucky agate]

Bow jab with an arrow that doesn't stun but deals good bleed

[dawn grove]

Yes, exactly what I thought

[midnight laurel]

I just don't think it is balanced in any way then. Humans already have superiority on anything mid to long range. If they needed a weakness, that should be anything involving close range.

[shut quartz]

If you use explosive arrow to melee it should blow you up

[plucky agate]

Damn i was typing that lmao

[wispy olive]

I got it first lol

[fierce crag]

Stungun is a secondary

[dawn grove]

The only weak thing about humans is their accuracy in close range (apart from pathy and pyro) but I think its fair but that's what I think and this is what you think, the light stun wont be as bad as heavy stun

[shut quartz]

First is the worst, second is the best!!

[tepid crest]

then following this logic bow shouldve got heavy melee and netgun didnt

[tidal hamlet]

Colts and SMGs should also have heavy melee as well going by what Ian said*

[tepid crest]

Yeah, the trapper equipment should probably be swapped around

[tidal hamlet]

What about Party pistol?

[tepid crest]

either way this suggestion and suggestions about heavy melee in general should probably go in their own sections so dinosauriac can read em easier

[shut quartz]

Its mk pistol so would use light melee

[shut quartz]

https://discord.com/channels/135491486983651328/1301982565434921052

[tidal hamlet]

Was being sarcastic sorry lol

[tepid crest]

i use Party pistol o.n trapper

[shut quartz]

Is trapper even supposed to use that thing

[tidal hamlet]

Technically yes

[shut quartz]

Its kinda good I’ve used it before

[fierce crag]

Bow doesn’t need it not every gun needs it, I’d rather have it locked behind heavier weapons

[dawn grove]

Give stun gun a light melee stun and with trappers primary’s

Only his netgun does heavy stun

[fierce crag]

My ideal heavy melee:
stun immunity (to prevent stun locking)
Hitting the tail does not stagger
Hold-button and/or custom hit sound (so it’s better telegraphed to the victim)

Only usable by:
all pathy primaries
Flame slammer
assault cannon
Netgun
Burst rifle (maybe AR but probably not there needs to be more balancing with that)

This gives close- range classes like pathy and pyro more options and also gives ranged classes less melee options without leaving them in the dust

[shut quartz]

That would help make close range classes feel worth picking even if your team is winning

[dawn grove]

M1 does light stun and I would say BR does only knock back and bleed as always

[fierce crag]

Sounds good

[dawn grove]

But if you want ALL weapons to do stun, I would say all trappers primary’s do light stun and his tazer, all pistols whips do light stun, scis sniper rife and tranq rifle light stun (bow would just do bleed and nothing else), idk with pyro as I don’t think flammesaw needs a stun (as it would probably be too op with the bleed) but flammeslammer can have a light stun ig

[shut quartz]

Something like that could be pretty good but how long would you make each stun time?

[dawn grove]

The light stuns? Probably half a second or 1

[shut quartz]

That sounds good, might want to make it a suggestion in itself so people will be more likely to see it

[dawn grove]

Alright

[fierce crag]

Every weapon with any kind of stun sounds like hell

[shut quartz]

I think they used to do like half a second stun on melee anyways for heavy melee

[fierce crag]

1 second is far too long

And it just doesn’t make sense to hit something with a MK pistol and stun it at all

Or tranq pistol or any trapper primary

[shut quartz]

I’d say the only pistol that should stun is stun gun for 0.5-1 seconds

[fierce crag]

That would make the current heavy melee problems 10x worse, already now every human has access to a stun but adding every weapon to that list would make light classes borderline unplayable

It doesn’t matter for how long, any amount of stun is enough for the human team to shred your health by a decent margin

[dawn grove]

Spitters could manage as they jump around and spit at your face a lot making it harder to melee them

[shut quartz]

If mk, deagle, trapper’s colts and smgs, tranq pistol dont have it at all they’d be fine with most primaries only stunning for 0.5-1 second then it would feel a lot better of course close range classes should maintain longer stun times

[fierce crag]

Maybe but what about nova and ovi??? They’d be forced to play solely ambush hunters, nova is integral for front line pushing

Getting stunned especially right now when it’s not telegraphed well just isn’t fun

[shut quartz]

I’d say all of sci, trapper and commandos would only do a small stun, pathfinder and pyro can do a longer one for primaries

[dawn grove]

I don’t think pyro should have a stun except for flammeslammer

[shut quartz]

The old melee did stun you for half a second or so meaning that the longer range classes still maintain a slight stun but its a lot more obvious on pathys

[fierce crag]

Yeah flamesaw is good already

[dawn grove]

If stun was added to flammesaw, bleed + stun + fire = yeah youre dead

[shut quartz]

Yea its bad enough with BR lol

[dawn grove]

Yeah, br doesn’t need it tbh, fine as it is

[shut quartz]

Bow could remain as a light melee until a stab animation could be added

[shut quartz]

Yea I find BR often feels like sniper but its also very powerful at close range

[dawn grove]

I was thinking about giving BR heavy melee in the form of a heavy stab but idk, should probably stay as it is