#Relatively recent MMO like BDO, Lost Ark, Elsword, Maplestory, DFO with a mid-high population.

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indigo fable
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Does anything like that exists? feel like I would know it by now if it did, but worth trying to ask.

All the games I mentioned have multiple common korean mmo features:
Multiple systems to progress in for character power
Potential to hard carry raids/bosses and clear maps very quickly
Enhancement systems or moderately luck-based gear progression
Lots of horizontal progression like life skills/professions, collectibles, etc.

I don't mind p2w or heavy grinds. Can also be a mobile game, but PC game is more preferable.

shell imp
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how "recent" do you want the mmorpg you're looking for to be?

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because there hasnt been much releases recently

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the only "recent" one with relatively "decent" population is ashes of creation

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with around 16k on steam as of this writing

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there are also people playing outside of steam

indigo fable
shell imp
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nothing post 2020s have a high enough population that would compare to long running mmorpgs (the examples you gave, bdo, ms, dfo alongside wow eso gw2 ff14 osrs)

jovial garden
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TnL maybe?

shell imp
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but since you like horizontal progression, i would suggest you try gw2 if you havent yet

shell imp
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🤣

jovial garden
indigo fable
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It doesn't have to be as big as wow or ff14, it can be moderatly sized. I just don't want to play in ghost towns and be able to trade with more players

shell imp
jovial garden
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if you like horizontal then gw2 is a good choice but its not vertical gear wise anyhow

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it does have other systems for progressing ig

shell imp
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wont be ghost towns since the game just came out

jovial garden
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gonna be a ghost town in a month or two KEK

shell imp
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every newly released mmorpg is going to have "ghost towns" in a month or two

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some faster than others like blue protocol

indigo fable
jovial garden
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dont think that you'll find anything like what ur looking for

indigo fable
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I was thinking of PoE 2, but the seasonal stuff doesn't sound very compelling

shell imp
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poe2 is an arpg

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and you will only see people in hubs

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its is very much not an mmorpg

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and yes, there is only persistent progression in the non-seasonal realms

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which are way behind in content

indigo fable
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tbh lost ark elsword and dfo are also hub based

shell imp
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yes but lost ark and the others you mentioned have some queue system

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that can group you automatically

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poe2

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does not

indigo fable
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hmm right

shell imp
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you have to manually party with people

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and most people want to solo in PoE2

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cause co-oping sucks in arpgs

indigo fable
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welp I'm setting my eyes on soulframe hopefully it turns out to be what I'm looking for

shell imp
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unless you play casually with friends just chilling

indigo fable
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ima try ashes of creation though

shell imp
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ashes of creation is the closes to your criteria (at the moment) sans the boss and carries or whatever you do in korean mmorpgs

jovial garden
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if you drop one or more of those criterias then you can definitely find something

shell imp
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its more pvp/guild focused

indigo fable
shell imp
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osrs

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heh

jovial garden
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wdym with multiple systems? multiple systems to directly make you more powerful or multiple systems in general?

shell imp
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multiple aspects of your character to progress an to level

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but yeah probably osrs will not be to your liking

indigo fable
jovial garden
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ah well idrk any game then

shell imp
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blue protocol has something like that

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with enhancing and imagine summons (that are p2w)

indigo fable
jovial garden
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catch up to what? there is no catching up

indigo fable
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like leveling your skills to max

shell imp
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most decent mmorpgs are straight forward and less of those convoluted systems and complex upgrades that are redundant

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like look at gw2

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you just have one thing to insert into your gear

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and thats it

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actually 2

jovial garden
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u got relics as well ig

indigo fable
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gw2 does sound nice on paper but ngl the graphics and the combat aren't my cup of tea

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but then again I only leveled a bit in it, never made it to end game

shell imp
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graphics is subjective, if you're used to korean slop where every female player character is a supermodel and every male player is either a kpop guy or a hunk

jovial garden
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there is no "endgame" really

shell imp
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and the graphics have shiny skin

jovial garden
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just like any other horizontal mmo really

shell imp
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and sometimes oversaturated

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then yeah

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gw2 will look bland

jovial garden
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eh gw2 has similiar skins as well

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it has bright skins n such

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I like gw2 skins a lot but I still prefer lotro graphics wise

shell imp
indigo fable
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it's hard to describe

shell imp
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and i like to separate cash shop from "ingame"

jovial garden
indigo fable
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I'd even say WoW graphics are great

jovial garden
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there are plenty of them

indigo fable
jovial garden
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and u can get anything in game anyways

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also, just dye it another color

shell imp
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but yeah you should give gw2 another try

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as for combat, it's not bad and i know it's subjective but

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to give it a fair chance, play the game without comparing it to bdo, maplestory, etc.

indigo fable
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I mean I'll see, I do have to try endgame a bit before deciding to drop it off or not

shell imp
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cause if you tend to compare tab target (including hybrid style tab) to action combat there's just no comparing

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they each do things different, and both are great

jovial garden
shell imp
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but if in your mind you are already like.. "ugh this is tab target i hate this.." then you will never like it

jovial garden
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there is no "endgame" in horizontal mmos really

indigo fable
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here's a question for gw2

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once you get all your gear and stuff, does that mean everyone at that stage is equal in power

jovial garden
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basically

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unless you account for skill

indigo fable
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can you still be that one hard carry in groups

jovial garden
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yeah ig? depends on what you mean

shell imp
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if you know the fight

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and know the mechanics and how to dodge properly

indigo fable
jovial garden
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the biggest difference will be in pvp/wvw

shell imp
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you can carry fights and solo things

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in terms of damage done, if you play on par with everyone else, no

jovial garden
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also depends on build

shell imp
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gear cannot carry you unlike in korean mmorpgs

jovial garden
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gw2 is not a gear grind game

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lvl cap is also not raised with expansions

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you can get to level cap and then buy near bis gear for fairly cheap

shell imp
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which is also the nice thing about gw2

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you can take a break today

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come back after a year

jovial garden
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the only thing that requires better gear is fractals (a type of instanced content) and thats because you need agony infusions and u cant put that in all kinds of gear

shell imp
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you will still be somewhat relevant

jovial garden
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pvp doesnt even have gear to begin with, you just select stats and such

shell imp
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maybe you need to change a few pcs of your gear but it wont take long

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compare that to a korean mmorpg

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take a break today

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come back next year

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you will be so behind

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everyone else

jovial garden
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ig gear matters a bit in wvw but you'll basically never lose/win due to gear difference

shell imp
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lmao

jovial garden
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its just skill/build difference

shell imp
indigo fable
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what do you progress in after you complete every horizontal stuff and get your bis gear thonk

shell imp
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gw2 there is no carrot on a stick to chase

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you have complete freedom

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there's a lot to do

jovial garden
shell imp
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to collect and to achieve

jovial garden
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it'll take some time for a new player to get bis, especially if u want leggies

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if u wanna get full leggies then thats gonna take a while as well

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but really just do whatever you want, collections, achievements, masteries

shell imp
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getting legendaries can be a "goal" to point you towards something to do

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i see them more as a convenience

jovial garden
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its not like ur going to run out of 14 years of content in a month lol

shell imp
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rather than a requirement for best in slot

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since you get the same stats with ascended

jovial garden
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yeah leggies dont offer any stat increase

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just qol

indigo fable
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is the progression grindy or time gated

jovial garden
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neither really

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there arent many time gates in general

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the only timegates that I can think of rq is raid leggies that needs weekly clears for a few weeks, wvw leggies that need tickets which are weekly capped and skyscale but you can get that in like 3 days so thats kinda whatever ig

shell imp
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time gates that are very restrictive are only in korean and chinese games

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most western games are weekly based

jovial garden
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some mats are time gated as well but you can just buy those, they are time gated to give them value

shell imp
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wow and ff14 (i consider ff14 western) are only "limited" by the weekly reset

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for example

indigo fable
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I'll try it again and see if it can scratch that progression itch

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Where should I look for builds

shell imp
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i'd say

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enjoy the game first

jovial garden
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nowhere

shell imp
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before you think of builds

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you can never go wrong with gw2 as you can always reassign

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your talent tree

jovial garden
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just use whatever you enjoy, you dont need builds for anything other than fractals/raids really

shell imp
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the game wont punish you for making "a wrong decision"

jovial garden
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you cant even use those builds while leveling anyways

shell imp
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where in some games, say ragnarok online, if you misplace that stat point into something useless for your class/build, then you have to pay the cash shop for a stat reset token

jovial garden
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if you have a boost dont use it

shell imp
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tldr just have fun first, when you get to trying max level content then maybe revisit looking at builds

indigo fable
jovial garden
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everything is played

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just play whatever looks fun

shell imp
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"play what you want"

jovial garden
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making alts is easy later on anyways

shell imp
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especially in pve

jovial garden
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even more especially in pvp because you dont even need to level a char for pvp

shell imp
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pvp you might see some classes more than others but eh it still doesnt matter

jovial garden
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and before you start looking at benchmarks, take them all with a grain of salt, most of them cant hit their actual benchmark dps in content

shell imp
jovial garden
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ya

shell imp
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and it's not just gw2, it happens in wow, eso, and even ff14 where most classes are homogenised

indigo fable
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I'm looking at classes and their weapons, and for example I see warriors, thieves and revenants being able to use one handed swords

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all three classes look compelling to me

jovial garden
jovial garden
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your first 5 abilities are based on ur weapon, you either use a two handed which gives u 5 abilities or a main hand for ur first 3 and an off hand for ur 4-5

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and u can weapon switch between 2 sets

indigo fable
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great sword and dual sword revenant looking good ngl