Infinite Poison - 137 - 183 Divine Gems

[light cloak]

Infinite Poison - 137 - 183 Divine Gems

Concept
Toxic Tongue and Toxic Bath Salts are constantly triggering the Altering Clock, creating an infinite loop of poison stacks and literally breaking the game. It's also an insane farm build. You can swap out Rigged Dice for the Flint Shield if you want to push the arena, for faster kill times.

Core Items
Magic
- Crystal Ring / Toxic Bath Salts
- Altering Clock / Cursed Scroll

Economy
- Ghost Coat / Rigged Dice
- Ruff / Dowsing Rods

Military
- Toxic Tongue

Magic
- Cloudborn Egg

Buildings to Focus
Farm → Max
Toads → Max (no dmg upgrade)
Birds → Max (no dmg upgrade)
Ballista (poison) → Max
Celestial Bastion → Max

Avoid
Everything else

https://i.imgur.com/l0LEdq2.gif

[wise blade]

Monsoonael is actually changing the weather if you have the acid mist from the temple toggled on. Pretty stupid because you 1shot if it's acid, but not if it's another weather

[reef lion]

farming her at low prestige level with zephyr fan and bird build is nice though

free infinite weatherswap stacks 😄

[silk dew]

Really cool how random the damage can be on this I think all due to this:

[hushed quiver]

birds max means u get phoenix as well?

[light cloak]

Nope getting phoenix is actually bad

[tidal zephyr]

why did you post it ;-;

[light cloak]

Ppl already shared the logic in the public one. So it was already a well know build by now

[tidal zephyr]

😮‍💨 that why i told you not to speak to much about it

pretty sure the item combinaison isnt suppose to do that (might be a bug)
except if mike allowed it ig

[humble sluice]

Gatekeeping in a solo player idle game is WILD

[light cloak]

I mean even without me speaking about it, they found out 😂
It's not like there are many non clock abusing endgame builds. Ppl also use the same for trolls rn

[tidal zephyr]

and not understanding that i look for bug and not wanting to gatekeep is crazy stupid.

[tidal zephyr]

true

idk if mike consider that a bug

[light cloak]

What I dont share is the hybrid build. This build here is actually bad vs. Hex or gargoyle

[humble sluice]

In 2025, every game is min-maxed. Using bugs or not. That's just how it goes, if it's not intended, it'll be fixed and then everyone will swap to the next best thing.

[warm spear]

As we write in poe: Abuse early and abuse long

[humble sluice]

Going through and editing your posts to then skull reacting me is wack. GGs to this discord and this game. I'm out lol

[warm spear]

And he is gone

[ruby forum]

lmao

[tidal zephyr]

;-; idk if i need to feel bad or not for a player like that.

i do have a part in that but still his reaction are just rage bait

[warm spear]

The last part yes, but I feel you could write that it could be patched and you wanted to minimize the frustration

That alone would make more sense

Since ppl tend to get attached to stuff they build together

[tidal zephyr]

ye im bad at communication ;-; and language barrier isnt helping at all..

[warm spear]

Yeah :D

I mean, you managed to annoy me too xD

[light cloak]

Sush no negativity here

Let people enjoy the clock builds up until the item gets reworked

I believe that for now it's part of why many ppl are still here even if they finished everything

[warm spear]

I agree with akki

It's about the new and cool stuff

Once everything is explored and written down, ppl get quieter and will leave with time

[tidal zephyr]

sorry

[warm spear]

That's why I'm doing my part and write down the builds to speed up that progress:D

[tidal zephyr]

i meant my language barrier not yours also , it my fault for not been able to communicate properly

[light cloak]

I said sush with the sad boi

You're doing perfectly fine buddy! Go and enjoy the build as well while it lasts

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-poison-toxic-alcohol-mixed-drink-gif-1422713399148574700

[tidal zephyr]

i already pretty much cleared the game (got enough gem for most the talent tree)
arena doesnt interest me more then that

just trying to find bug while playing but they already reported for most part

[light cloak]

Fair fair, soon update

[tidal zephyr]

hopefully

[hybrid star]

Sorry question, i dont understandw why sometimes the boss die on 3.8k poison stack, sometimes it dies on 38.8k, and sometimes dies on 388.8k? why does it varies?

[tidal zephyr]

same boss ?

[hybrid star]

yea same boss

[tidal zephyr]

uh no idea , i guess akki might know better

[light cloak]

That's currently a bug with poison overall. If you apply it too fast, it sometimes doesnt detonate. It's somewhere in bugs already reported long time ago

One of the reasons why it's not always top tier TTK

And it sucks vs. Hex because of too many possibilities to get completely paused

Similar topic with gargoyle. There it increased tongue cooldown to be higher than clock can reduce it

Against these bosses you will learn that trolls does perform overall better with a more consistent TTK

I think these three reasons are why the build is still somehow balanced for the current content

It 100% needs to be changed tho in the future

[hybrid star]

icic

thx

[deep nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[warm gulch]

What are the orders of the advisors, or rather, what must be above and below ghost coat?

[light cloak]

Exactly the way they are shown above

[sleek saffron]

Has this been nerfed or are there more requirements then listed above? (items at specific levels etc)

[ancient salmon]

you will definitely want high level items especially the altering clock which is worlds apart better at high levels

[slow fiber]

Exactly, mine only has 2,4s cooldown reduction so it's not really working that great

Also how comes my Toxic Tongue has a 9,6s cooldown, while his has 3s instead??

[slow fiber]

Oh.. nevermind, I'm dumb. I was fighting Gargolag and didn't read it's ability

[young locust]

is this possible with 80 prestige point, i mean i simply dont do double advisors? but i lack of x100 and x1000 legendary, i d like to use this build to farm what i need in order to reach the core items x1000
is this possible or bad cos this build only work if epic or legendary core items?

[keen river]

Bro acting like finding a bug in an indie game with like 10 viable endgame items is a feat 😂 (I don’t meant OP obviously)

[deep nacelle]

@young locust
I think I had 83 gems for this, you could remove the troll for 81 I guess

keep checking alchemist / marketplace for 4th slot items to trade in for divine gem

and the build kinda works okayish for farm

just finished the dowsing rod while grocery shopping

[ripe sorrel]

yo my man quick question, does upgrading crit chance matter or i should leave it to 0? and how about the frogs?

[light cloak]

For toads you only want spawns and amount. Even the poison stacks dont matter. You applied millions normally a few 10-30 stacks wont matter

[hard solstice]

wtf r u doing here

[ripe sorrel]

what about birds?

[light cloak]

Purely amount nothing else

You get +500 poison dmg per bird

[ripe sorrel]

alright thanks!

[royal meadow]

It also sometimes seems to not proc all bonuses.
Most 388K detonations deal around 700T-1Q on Grano in non-Acid Mist weather. Then suddenly, same boss, same weather, same everything, the 388K proc deals only 19T. It did detonate, though, just for rather low damage.

[prisma kettle]

what is the optimal advisor sequence

[slow fiber]

Happens to me too, most of the times 388k detonations oneshot the boss and every once in a while it does no dmg almost

[reef lion]

Hi how's your boyfriend? I forget his name

Pedro!

[deep canopy]

wait is that how fast yours ticks with the infinite combo? that's actually way slower than mine

[slow fiber]

show it

[light cloak]

It's just the gif that slows it down 😂

[deep canopy]

ok figured but wanted to check lol

[light cloak]

Up to 3.8m takes roughly 3s normally

[deep canopy]

yeah

will be the go to build i think if we get harder content

[light cloak]

Nah

Until then it's 100% nerfed

You cant release content with that build working

[deep canopy]

true

probably just something like clock can't reduce items to lower than a 0.1s cd

or under 3s remaining it reduces by a % instead of a flat amount

so that it doesnt cause the infinite loop

[light cloak]

This or I would personally just do an internal cooldown on clock

[deep canopy]

yeah something on the clock for sure

[light cloak]

Like this it cant overlap

[deep canopy]

to avoid this problem with future items too

[light cloak]

As if you do it on the target items, you just use multiple items to bist through it

[deep canopy]

like even just a 0.1s cd on clock would do it, still strong but not broken

[light cloak]

I personally think all item are required to have internal cooldown

[light cloak]

Yup fully agree. I would still go higher (at least 1s) otherwise you simply face too many issues

Like this you can reduce every item to 1s. Instead what could be worked on is for example increase troll attack frequency etc.

[deep canopy]

assuming tongue has an even chane for each stack it can apply, it's triggering somewhere around 1200 times per second atm

[light cloak]

1s kills is still brutally strong. We are just spoiled with less than 1s numbers

[light cloak]

Tbh. Tongue should not work like this. Bolt or Knuckle are good items

They do dmg with double conditions

Bolt is capped at ballista shooting speed

Knuckle with attackspeed and crit chance

Like this you have always a safety nets to balance out

[deep canopy]

so even if clock was left at a 0.01s cd, that's still really fast but poison becomes like 10x slower to stack

which i think that is a fair spot

maybe even slower cause the potential damage is still insanely high

if you farmed long enough im pretty sure the 3.8m stack hit can do over 1000q damage

[light cloak]

I actually think I will write something like this in suggestions

[deep canopy]

yeah icd on clock is the best blanket fix to the issue and prevents it from doing the same thing with new items in later updates

[light cloak]

Exactly. There are currently two items without a safety net and that's why they are able to abuse clock:
Bath salt can be cast without any dependency and same goes to tongue

[reef lion]

remember when that dude took bath salts and then ate a homeless dude's face?

simpler times

[sleek saffron]

if running salts, can someone explain why we don't push up trolls with freeze %?

[reef lion]

maybe this passive

100 (110?) poison stacks isnt much

although i doubt the difference is noticable

[queen mesa]

was this build afk friendly for the last 3 bosses?

[reef lion]

yea

[queen mesa]

feel like something is lackluster with trolls so was looking into something else

[reef lion]

well idk about eyeball, you can get locked out of doing any dmg with the posted build

[sleek saffron]

it's still AFKable, you just get stalled by 20s every few minutes depending on your luck

[reef lion]

grano is fast tho, i only have 122 prestige and i kill him in less than a second usually

for some reason it doesnt kill gargolags either

his ability is making me take 20 seconds to kill him

but once you're thinking about this fancy build you probably already farmed gargo to completion

[static flume]

1s is crazy, can you snip your advisor set-up?

[light cloak]

Follow the exact order of the advisors in the build in the very top and you easily achieve this lol

[static flume]

ok, but what would you put as extra in the 3rd military and 4th magic slot?

[deep nacelle]

however, if you get the coat you might need to change the order a little bit as I had some items already max leveled and others not

[static flume]

Oh LOL, ignore me, I'm an idiot

[royal meadow]

You mean this order? Wouldn't the coat then buff the levels of Ruff and Dowsing Rods? What good would that do?
Or do I have the wrong picture?

[finite forum]

are u standing on ur head or do u not know what above means ? XD

[deep nacelle]

i used it this way as I have not the scroll yet and dont plan to use the egg

as my salt is not leveled up max and my dowsing rod as well as the clock, but the ring and the ruff is

[static flume]

Guide says this:

[royal meadow]

Did you read the next perk?

[finite forum]

didnt have it unlocked yet lol

but id assume +3 is enough then on the clock and the +7 is then used do boost output

[reef lion]

im missing 1 advisor slot

seems fine though, think it's just an economy item missing

[royal meadow]

That's how I read it as well.
But overleveling Ruff and Rods seems... odd

[reef lion]

what's the last effect of the egg?

[queen mesa]

hardboiled

[static flume]

LOL

[royal meadow]

keeping the current weather active has no mana cost

[reef lion]

hardboiled is okay, gets a bit stinky tho

oh nice

that's kind of op

farming mr bird is annoying tho

at least for this build, easy to get turned off. got to add trolls maybe

[royal meadow]

If you have this build going, the weather is not needed anymore for the bird

[reef lion]

oh actually it was the eyeball i was thinking of that's annoying to farm

since he breaks an item

[royal meadow]

Yeah, the poison only build sucks for Hex.
There's that poison+trolls/boulder build. That works decently.

Currently running that for the last 218 cursed scrolls.

[deep nacelle]

currently i have it not leveled up to the 2nd perk though

[gaunt dagger]

@grim echo Do I need all legendary items ?

[light cloak]

It massively increased the drop rate and once you use poison you only want to farm. You can kill every content easily already at this point

[light cloak]

One small adjustment (I fix it later in the guide). Swap ruff with dice for even more loot

[royal scarab]

im missing an advisor slot so i dunno if thats making all the difference, or that i havent maxed all items yet

but for gargolag its over 1 min kill time

birds was faster for me :/

[light cloak]

Exactly like this 🙂

[royal scarab]

also why use this? we dont have anything applying freeze unless if im being very dumb

[light cloak]

It's to have the clock combo

It doesnt trigger in itself, it only triggers for other items

[gaunt dagger]

I'm far from one shoting things I don't get why.. do we need fully maxed items ?

[royal scarab]

rip guess i need to get alot more gear before this build becomes viable

[light cloak]

Huh why?

[royal scarab]

your cd is 10x shorter than mine, this just does super low dps atleast for where im currently at

[light cloak]

What lvl is your clock and what Rarity is cloat?

[light cloak]

CD doesnt matter. As long as it's below 3s

[royal scarab]

gotta get more gear, was just hoping this was better at higher stuff than birds

[light cloak]

Okay in your case then 2.4s

[shrewd cloak]

Must Coat be epic for this?

[light cloak]

Change the order of the items. Right now your clock is 20, but it can be 23 if boosted

[royal scarab]

the clock is being boosted to 23

[light cloak]

Oh what speed is it? Above is only lvl 20 (8+12)

[royal scarab]

2.4 if thats what you mean

[light cloak]

Otherwise restart the game if they are above each other. Sometimes cloat bugs out

[shrewd cloak]

@light cloak

[light cloak]

Nope

[royal scarab]

hhm is trolls good at gargolag?

i need something to farm dice and clock up better

[light cloak]

It's just that you need to focus more a bit then on placement. Important is that both salt and tongue are equal or below the clock timer

How much lower doesnt matter

[shrewd cloak]

And how important is the lvl of clock and Coat cause i cant farm hex that good

[light cloak]

Yes it works fine or you can also do Meteor birds but need to max it to do that

[light cloak]

Clock Rarity doesnt matter. Cloat Rarity is just boosting the build by a lot. If you cant go below the clock cooldown overall then the build still works but is much slower

[shrewd cloak]

I mean the upgrade lvl not rarity

[light cloak]

Focus on cloat only lol

[royal meadow]

I just tried it out and I'm getting a strange bug with legendary cloak.
Instead of overleveling the items of the advisor below, it's overleveling the one 2 below:

[shrewd cloak]

Like my clocks only lvl 6

And Coat 3

[light cloak]

High lvl cloat makes all other lvls useless lol

[shrewd cloak]

Thats true but for that i need high lvl cloat lol

[light cloak]

I mean to stay cheap you lvl them evenly

[shrewd cloak]

U mean the clock cooldown of 1s reduced or what cooldown u mean

[light cloak]

10 on both results in lvl 20 clock base and on top of that overlvling

[shrewd cloak]

I see

[shrewd cloak]

I see

So how can i farm hex good is now the question

[light cloak]

Trolls

[shrewd cloak]

But dont i need Flail for that?

[prisma kettle]

is this setup wrong?

[light cloak]

You do need flail

But of you want to have an easy farm just manual click with ice whip

[gaunt dagger]

Well

I think I can't run that build properly

[shrewd cloak]

cause xeno wrote in his build to use posion to farm flail

[gaunt dagger]

I need to max Ghost Coat and the other items i GUESS

[shrewd cloak]

and with troll farm coat

[light cloak]

Looks good. Your clock is above lvl 20 right?

[prisma kettle]

yes

[light cloak]

But if you want to min max, do the setup exactly like in my guide above in the exact order

[gaunt dagger]

What build would you rocommend to farm the requierment level of item or this one ? @light cloak

[prisma kettle]

ok understand

[shrewd cloak]

cause the problem is xeno says to use posion to farm flail and then with flail farm hex but here i need falil to get posion

[light cloak]

To farm flail yes but that's the 100+ kills. Getting the 11 first ones you can do manually lol

[shrewd cloak]

so u only need great flail for trolls?

[light cloak]

I used back then spears with 8s kill times (so slow...) but trolls is prolly faster. Or if you're crazy.... Ice whip

[vapid fox]

i can't seem to get this breakpoint, my clock is max level because of the coat, but it only goes to 2.7s

[light cloak]

There's a guide for trolls. Just follow that suggestion. @warm spear is an expert here

[gaunt dagger]

The build that Xenos shared ?

[light cloak]

XenoTec not Xeno

Two different ppl lol

[shrewd cloak]

yea buuuut the problem with it is that he says to use posion for the last boss butttttt for posion i need hex

but he says to fight hex with farmed flail

[light cloak]

As said, ice whip for 11 kills to get rare flail

Takes less than 30s lol

[static flume]

Weird, my tongue cooldown is 4.8s O_o

[shrewd cloak]

so rare flails enough for trolls?

[light cloak]

Prolly because of less cdr points in the skill tree

[light cloak]

Maybe, I havent tested it 😂
I would try it. I mean you need to lvl it anyway and 3m of your life to do that is worth it

[static flume]

Where is that node?

[shrewd cloak]

yea just gonna do trolsl fuck it

[light cloak]

You see the tree in the build above 🥲
Just check where the clock icons are

[static flume]

I have both enabled

[vapid fox]

my clock is lvl 23 and it says 2.7 seconds.... how is this supposed to work

[light cloak]

Works perfectly fine even with that. It's just slower but it works

[vapid fox]

nothing near the 1s final boss kill

[light cloak]

Need leg clock for the 3s

[static flume]

ahhhhh

fuck

[vapid fox]

it is legendary

[light cloak]

Restart the game. Your cloat is bugged out

Or how high is your cloat?

[vapid fox]

epic level 14

[light cloak]

Okay in that case restart the game and it should fix it

[vapid fox]

it did not

still 2.7

[light cloak]

Epic was what effect again?

On cloat

[light cloak]

Smh your cloat doesnt apply to your clock. It should be lvl 23 - but that's also not enough for 3s. In your case you need to boost it with the below bonus not above

[vapid fox]

so how did you get it work with the setup you have in the original post

[light cloak]

Everything is legendary there and lvl 20

My clock is lvl 26 with the cloat boost

[vapid fox]

is that the legendary effect for coat?

[light cloak]

Items directly below the cloat are lvl 30 and directly above lvl 26

[light cloak]

Legendary gives overall +3 overlvl to all

[vapid fox]

ahh

[light cloak]

So above items have 3+3, below have 7+3

You need lvl 26 to get the 3s

Above lvl 26 doesnt matter as you only need 3s to match the tongue cooldown

You will always surpass salt bath, so only 1 item to worry about

Got what I mean? @vapid fox

[vapid fox]

yep!

ty

gonna farm hexgaze more

[light cloak]

Gl

[brave solar]

Could I make this work with 124? One less advisor slot. What to remove?

[light cloak]

you can remove everything except for these items:

Toxic Bath Salts
Altering Clock
Ghost Coat
Toxic Tongue

[brave solar]

Figured, but then maybe trolls would farm faster, given less items here

Tbf even in trolls there's the clock combo thingy so ig it's somewhat the same 🙂‍↕️

[ruby forum]

how do you get tongue to a 3s cd ?

mine is 4.8 lvl 20 and legen

[light cloak]

yup, that's exactly what's happening in all endgame builds. clock combo too stronk 🫡

[light cloak]

skill tree

[brave solar]

And now can even farm hex!

With the 10sec cd change, it's double the speed even with item lock

[ruby forum]

i have the cd decrease in there

[brave solar]

Clock maybe?

[ruby forum]

maybe my clock isnt legendary yet only epic

[light cloak]

another 15% here

[brave solar]

What does leg coat do? figured it out 🙂‍↕️

[deep nacelle]

does the coat not work on the dice? i think before the update it worked, however it works on other items

he does not seem to work on the same type "economy" at all

[lofty kernel]

Oh, speed of poison stacking is tied to FPS. Was keeping game on 30 since i mostly keep it in background. Changed it to 60 and its faster

[gaunt dagger]

@light cloak Why does my tongue don't go bellow 3 sec ?

The +13 doesn'"t count as lv23 item or something ?

[brave solar]

Works for me

[brave solar]

Skill tree has the cooldown ones?

[deep nacelle]

did you restarted in the past 20 minutes and got the latest update?

[brave solar]

Yes, just now

Try restarting again ig?

Sometimes I had issues with coat also, not applying buffs

[gaunt dagger]

Yeah

[brave solar]

Or maybe remove and add the coat again

[deep nacelle]

ah restarted the game na dit worked

[gaunt dagger]

I'll try to restart the game

[brave solar]

Typical "have you tried turning it off and on again" IT solution

[gaunt dagger]

Yeah

lmao

[brave solar]

https://tenor.com/view/tech-support-helpdesk-it-crowd-gif-1185061378070743090

[gaunt dagger]

Well

Nothing seems to have changed

[brave solar]

Ah, coat isn't epic^^

[gaunt dagger]

Oh I need to push that

[brave solar]

Clock needs to be 27 for over 3 sec

[gaunt dagger]

I'm gonna poison Hex to death

😂

[brave solar]

Poison doesn't work great there, but even trolls have some trouble

[light cloak]

yes it's lvl 23 and you need lvl 26 at least. So you need rarity epic on cloak

[gaunt dagger]

Lazy to rebuild

[brave solar]

I know the feeling lol

[light cloak]

go hybrid 😉

[brave solar]

Or spears 👀

But same issue

Heart locked, takes the whole 10sec

[gaunt dagger]

@light cloak @brave solar ARF

Did I messed up ?

[light cloak]

can you show your skill tree

[brave solar]

clock needs to be under coat

and also legendary for the extra 15% cd

[light cloak]

legendary clock is the issue @gaunt dagger

there you have twice the cooldown

[split jacinth]

@light cloak Might be worth to change the order of the items in the guide. Feel like a lot of people will copy the order you have above

[light cloak]

The order is perfectly fine and BiS...just it's for fully maxed items

[gaunt dagger]

I followed the order in the guide, is it wrong ?

Dam legendary clock

On my way Gargolag then

[split jacinth]

Fair lol I just assume most will come here earlier

[brave solar]

Gargo adds cd, so trolls are good for him

[gaunt dagger]

Ahhh

FF

[light cloak]

well fair....but that's mostly because so many ppl are abusing now the ez DG trick

[brave solar]

But poison works, I'm quite sure

[light cloak]

so ppl have inflated DG without even having farmed stuff properly

[gaunt dagger]

I farmed all legendaries with my birdies

hahaha

But that's up till big birds

[split jacinth]

all??

oh ok haha

[brave solar]

All the ones they got ^^

[gaunt dagger]

I miss the last 3 bosses

[split jacinth]

I'm just throwing rocks at a garg. Good times

[gaunt dagger]

I'm gonna try to pull up a decent troll build then

[brave solar]

I'm at ~3sec with trolls there

Sometimes 0.5, sometimes 4sec

[gaunt dagger]

May you link me your build in #builds-old ?

[brave solar]

#1422991759901982882 pretty sure it's basically this

[gaunt dagger]

Gotta try to figure out what to do with extra gems then, either advisore item slot or damages

[brave solar]

I have 128 gems now

3 advisor ups

[gaunt dagger]

I have 154 gems

[split jacinth]

etxra posion stacks with toads, extra fire with pheonix, more advisor slots

[brave solar]

so you can get all 4 extra advisors for even more farm

[split jacinth]

Doesn't hurt to add all the posion damage nodes if you can and go hybrid

[faint crater]

How do you get that much divine gem ?

Is there an other way of earning them beside of the achievments ?

fck i just found that we can get them from marketplace mb

[royal meadow]

I followed the guide pretty closely and have all items up to legendary. But my poison doesn't nearly stack that fast. For me it's ~2 seconds for 388K and ~20 seconds for 3.8M poison stacks. Any ideas?

the 3.8M also only happens when poison seems to bug out and hits like a wet noodle on 388K. Usually 388K kills Grano, sometimes even the 38K is enough if the stars align.

[shrewd cloak]

@light cloak whats the best advisor sequence cause from the guide above the coat boosts ruff

should that be?

[deep nacelle]

coat is buffing all items, maybe restart game, got the tipp earlier... it seems that the game doesn't recognize item changes properly

@shrewd cloak

[shrewd cloak]

but my problem is that it says that it only overlevels items above

@deep nacelle

[brave solar]

Need to get it to Epic

[shrewd cloak]

oh

[brave solar]

And for this build, it's needed legendary coat for the clock above

[shrewd cloak]

i see

[sour chasm]

this build is still good? i have 138 divine

[warm spear]

yes

[sleek saffron]

Is there a reason it says not to add damage to Frogs/birds? or is it just to save gold for other things?

[brave solar]

Damage dealt by them is 0% of total damage dealt, so just to save gold

[sleek saffron]

while i have you, why arnt we including trolls in this build? wouldn't freezes increase poison build speed with salts active?

[brave solar]

With leg items this does 0.5 second kills on final bosses, no need for trolls

But you can go hybrid for Hex farming

Also if you notice, troll builds do in fact use the same mechanic as this build

[sleek saffron]

i am full leg and am farming end boss in .5 seconds, was more just curious of the details

[brave solar]

If you have the gems for it, you can add the trolls as well

[sleek saffron]

this does have amost of trolls already, it's only the 1 extra?

[split ridge]

What is reasoning for not scaling toad and bird damage?

[brave solar]

Flail and boulder aren't part of the build

So you'd need more advisor slots, in the "cheap" build

But essentially anything with clock tongue salts works

[frigid wadi]

This was answered literally 7 comments up from yours. Edit to be nicer: Please check the thread for obvious questions before re-asking. It's very likely someone already asked. The search functions in discord are pretty good.

[young locust]

guys a super noob question, i v seen way so many times ( i dont have legendary last gargo and hex items, just epic)
that randomly gargo can go down in 2seconds , while sometimes i need to reach 38kstack poison and sometimes 388k stack poison

it feels like something is able to pop poison way way before 38kstacks or 388kstacks

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second question, why the hell sometimes u need 38kstacks and sometimes 388kstacks, it is like dodging the hit of 38kstack and u must go for long 388kstacks

this is 388k stack random, cos didnt die on 38k

then other runs, it "insta" died at 38kstacks

(i dont have legendary coat\clock\dice\scroll) just epic

and same exact problem with acid weather, gargo get popped at 3.8kstack or it skips its death and u must reach 38k stacks

[peak lintel]

it might be the weather? it affects a LOT the dmg dealt

[young locust]

no for real, it is like if randomly sometimes skipping its "fixed scenario death at 38kstack" like u doing to fast to count it? but thsi is 100% random i see no pattern on why sometimes he skips deaths at 38k and sometimes requires 388k...
same with last boss 388k should be the kill but then it goes randomly sometimes 3.8m stack needed

is poison able to crit?!?

even if i m going down to the bird boss, it skipped entirely the death, and i need 388k -.- stacks vs him..kinda impossible right? i wonder if something is causing a bug?

[halcyon basin]

might be this

[sleek saffron]

It is that, you can have a balista/bird or non special toad add the last hit and it might only be 2 points over so the damage isn't high, but if you have tongue add the last hit and you get a 6000 tick over it can be absolutely massive.

[young locust]

so u suggesting, to avoid the other things, like no toads no ballista no birds..
and go purely 100% full tongue toxic only build, to always have the "over it on last hit" for massive damage 100% guarantee cos no other sources are interfeering with the tongue overcapping stack poison megabonus on skill tree perk?

[sleek saffron]

i havn't tested that yet, but i plan to on my next run, yes

[young locust]

so my birds toads trolls are the build killer, because last hit can be caused by them interferring to the tongue.

so no to anything beside tongue, might be very smart, i ll try it aswell

right now, cos kinda bored to farm gargo in 388k stack rng -.-

[sleek saffron]

it's my theory as to the heavily spiking damage

[young locust]

true let's try both, i m down to do it now

[sleek saffron]

it's 3am here in australia, i'm going to bed and will try in the morning 😄

[young locust]

i was mega close to all 4advisors doubled, i need just 5more gems but screw it xd

[sleek saffron]

i have 200+ gems so i'm good to try almost anything

if you can wait 8 hours i'll give you the answer.

[sharp imp]

Which of the advisors is least impactful to double? I’m going to be 15 gems off when I try this

I’ll probably try it no ballista and no birds. I want toads for the dice procs

[sleek saffron]

4th (econ)

is the one you don't double if you can ojnly get 3

[sharp imp]

Thanks

[sleek saffron]

and drop either ruff or dowsing rods.

[young locust]

i v done it right now and it is 100% confirmed that without interferences by any other sources i no longer need the +1step stack of poison
(done 30x gargo in a row)

[brave solar]

So no buildings?

[young locust]

ye zero building at all, and i v got no "weird step skipper" on kill

so far..

[brave solar]

Will give it a go

[devout compass]

can someone tell me why no dmg upgrades for birds and toads? and does that count for attack speed too?

I mean I get they're not necessary, but would it hurt if I maxed them?

[brave solar]

^^

[devout compass]

alright, thanks

[sharp imp]

Do the birds apply poison stacks somehow?

[brave solar]

No, they increase poison damage

(if you have it in the skill tree)

[sharp imp]

Ah thank you. I have the minimalist version without that thus far

[heavy marsh]

how do you get the 3s ?
can only get up to 2,7

[swift mountain]

I had this issue, I unequipped my clock and re-equipped, then unequipped my coat and re-equipped and it was fixed

Seems to be every time I level up the coat, the CD reduction on clock goes from 3s to 2.7s again, and I have to re-equip the coat

[brave solar]

Coat on the advisor above clock if coat is Epic, below if legendary

[naive abyss]

my best kill time with this build is 2.0 secs - is anyone here getting faster kill times?

[next root]

im getting around 0.6-0.7

[whole arch]

😮

what is the setup king

im stuck at 1.1 - 10 on grano

[chilly plinth]

I can get it down to 0.3 but it's random.

Most of the time it's 2.1

[sleek saffron]

It's because of Poison overflow. If you get to 37999 (i know not correct but showing for the demo) then get a tongue proc that does 6000 (5999 over 38K) then you get a 30000%ish damage bonus to the hit. but if you get to 37999 and a non buffed toad is the next hit thjat does 30 (29 over 38K), you get 150% bonus damage. The first one would kill the boss instantly at 38K meaning you don't need the run to 388K the 2nd wouldn't.

im obviously talking the extremes, but there would be a cutoff point somewhere that you need to get over to get the kill at 38K, it might be 3K or 4K over, i don't know, someone smarter then me could do the maths.

[narrow folio]

Will leaving off the 2 loot goblin perks increase my actual material drop chance?

[next root]

same as the one shown at top just add acid mist x poison as wer using egg so 100% up time

[gilded hazel]

does this work with epic scroll and coat? Or do you want legendary for them

[sleek saffron]

it works, but slower.

[gilded hazel]

here's my quantities of items rn

will it be faster than trolls with just the epics (can get leg clock but holding out since it slows troll build somehow)

[next root]

my guess is lower cr on mace offs the trolls faster lowering dps?

[brave solar]

If leg clock, don't use bath salts, use whip instead (needs to click but 0.2 sec kills with all legs)

[brave solar]

No it's a bug where bath salt proc so often that it makes flail go offline

[delicate parcel]

Not sure waht i do wrong, i'm still around 23s ttk.

[vital skiff]

i think its your placement of the coat advisor below gets +7 so the clock should be below

[delicate parcel]

That makes a massive difference!!
So this is the correct layout of advisors, cause i kept seeing mixed set-ups.

[vital skiff]

thats the setup i use and it works well for me so i would say so

[gilded hazel]

works for me too. Except I switch the ruff and snout with rods and flint shield for faster loot

[chilly plinth]

I run this way

[delicate parcel]

The cloak on the clock gives you 100% uptime on salty tongue.

[halcyon basin]

not if your coat is legendary then it doesnt matter

[fleet rune]

hello akki, so why dont trolls are in this build?
not even for freeze?

i dont understand why my setup isnt working at all. fighting 5-20min against the gargoule.
i have everything done like it was said in the guide above. so whats the problem?
(allmost all items are on max rarity and level (only these not with lava)

[light cloak]

Because this here is only poison. That's why it's called infinite poison

[fleet rune]

and about the setup, is everything right?

[light cloak]

Yap that works. Just ensure you're farming clock to leg asap

That's what makes it go crazy

[fleet rune]

i try but i barly kill the garg

i could come in voice if this helps?

[light cloak]

Problem is that your loop is not fully working due to high cooldowns

[quaint void]

can i use this build with 101 gems?

[light cloak]

Can't, I am on the beach right now haha

[fleet rune]

so what could i do?

[light cloak]

As said it's purely the cooldown that's your issue right now. So work in the skill tree towards them and also on clock legendary

[quaint void]

@light cloak ik ur busy cuz u on beach but is there a way to use this build with 101 gems?

[fleet rune]

this is my tree right now. dont know what i can do more

[light cloak]

Hmm doubt tbh. Or at least not in an efficient way. Go for the Meteor birb build until then

[fleet rune]

hm. i extra switched from there. why this is starting 137 DG and i was at 155 DG now. and bird was until 111 DG

[light cloak]

If you min max birds then you have 2s TTK or even less on gargoyle. Meaning you can farm requirements for infinite poison

[fleet rune]

but then its maybe good to put in the settings of the build that some materials need to be legendary to work right

[light cloak]

I mean it works also before just not even close to as efficient as afterwards

[brave solar]

You should probably to edit the guide to let people know this needs leg clock and that with epic coat you need clock to be on the advisor below, on the one above works only with legendary coat to work full speed. Especially the clock below part. Makes it work quite a lot earlier, removing the hex grind for leg coat and still making the build work 🙂‍↕️

[light cloak]

Will do that after my vacations. Maybe by then we even cant use clock anymore. Let's see

[brave solar]

Enjoy your time!

[lofty crest]

I would recommend changing the font color of the Magic section under the 'Core Items' section of your guide from magenta to purple, the same color as the magic advisors in game.

[light cloak]

Not possible sadly.... Tried but didnt find the fitting code that's supported by discord 🙁

If you find it, please lemme know

[lofty crest]

.That tasted purple!

[light cloak]

Well that's a different formatting

I did it via ANSI

Maybe I switch to ASCIIDoc

[frail shadow]

can you share top advisors with item setup?

[warm spear]

the advisor order is the same order has he wrote in the guide

[frail shadow]

Thank you

[brave solar]

That depends a bit. If coat is not legendary, the build will work better with coat above clock

[warm spear]

this build is for finished game, not farming, so it assumes that you are maxed already

[brave solar]

That's not trueeee. Why wouldn't you use poison for farming?

[warm spear]

cause, once again, thats not a build to farm stuff up, thats a build you can use once you finished the game

[gilded hazel]

For me it worked well to max the last few items

[brave solar]

bUt hoW? iTs noT fARm buILD

😄

And same, used it to farm up to all legs to make the build better 🙂

[warm spear]

the build to be intended for situations where everything is maxed out and its main purpose is for divine gem farming. Of course, you can also use it with less to farm other stuff, but that’s not the main point. This way, if people complain about farming with it, you can point out that it wasn’t primarily designed for that

[fluid ibex]

does it ruin the build if I don't avoid everything else?

[warm spear]

since the residents cap is removed, do whatever you want

[late grotto]

why does mine says 9.6

[sharp imp]

Probably level 15 instead of 27. And Garg boss increases cooldowns if that’s who you’re fighting

[hard solstice]

Infinite Poison dead after update? 0_0

[warm spear]

yes

say goodbye, it will be not missed

[bright axle]

bro I was just going to test this build

Is it really dead?

[warm spear]

yes

[bright axle]

troll build still the best one?

[warm spear]

everything below gargo

gargo is better with light spears for fastest kills

[tidal zephyr]

Just wait like 1-2day akki gonna break the game even harder

[light cloak]

Bye Bye Poison Build
Build has been nerfed (as it should), so please don't try this build anymore

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rip-sad-sponge-bob-stephen-hillenburg-crying-sponge-bob-squidward-gif-12966776

[hard solstice]

o7 you'l lbe forever missed

[young locust]

mega galactic rip.

[normal dawn]

I mean, it still does massive damage on its own. It just takes longer.