AI Gunner/Turret as Part of the Aircraft Building

[wispy valve]

Firing at enemies automatically, just like how enemy AI is targeting us, I think it's possible to implement this as part of building our aircraft.

The idea is:

1. This part consist of an operator with their weapon (operator 3d model can be toggled to displayed or hide them to improve performance).

2. There are variation, like mounted mg with limited aim (aim angle can be adjusted in settings) or turret with 360 rotation (rotation can be limited in settings).

3. Weapon Properties Customization, total amount of machine gun (single/twin/quad), damage, rate of fire, bullet spread, ammo, range.

[native sapphire]

this tbh is what i've wanted on simpleplanes for so long instead of having to do some crazy stuff just to have mid AI gunners, it fr was so annoying having to do so much complicated stuff for gunners

[harsh needle]

it already exists but people who don't have mod access can't use it

we can use (((TargetHeading - Heading) + (rate(TargetHeading) * ((TargetDistance) / 2000)))/ 180) * clamp01(TargetDistance < 20000) * clamp01(TargetSelected) and TargetSelected?(atan(((pow(2000,2)) - (sqrt((pow(2000,4)) - (9.81 * ((9.81 * pow((cos(TargetElevation) * TargetDistance), 2)) + ((2 * ((sin(TargetElevation) * TargetDistance))) * pow(2000,2)))))))/(9.81 * (cos(TargetElevation) * TargetDistance))) + rate(TargetElevation) * (TargetDistance / 2000)) / 90:0 - PitchAngle for the Gunners

but it can't shoot automatically

[rare jungle]

Yes you can make it automatically

Using the power of fireGuns booleans freezing when the gun is deactivated whilst firing, you can hook up the activation afterwards to its own activation parameters, like firing arcs, range, and other factors.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/365805644370018306/1397188733245325443/mobizen_20250722_200530.mp4?ex=68a9af68&is=68a85de8&hm=728835aa1b38760a292aa3d6964c84b4ec5a6f79a6a80c1774d6ad2ff7886da7&

[woven pagoda]

Is that code snippet, saved in the varible setting ? or do i past it in the gun settings ?

[harsh needle]

it's in the rotators essential for the rotaion of the turrets

[native sapphire]

something integrated already into simpleplanes 2 for ai turrets would be nice though and less complicated

[hushed estuary]

On top of this if we can have FT fir guns and better systems for subassembly, we could've just have community made turret part being passed around

[thick plume]

Game in the gif name?

[flint python]

would that even work if the rotators are rotated 'sidewards'

[wispy valve]

Even with FT, the limitation is still there. Based on your video, it's only firing at a locked target. What happens if there is more than one enemy at the same time?. it can't can't target multiple enemies automatically at the same time, right?

[wispy valve]

Call to Arms - Gates of Hell , map editor

[thick plume]

Oooooo

[rare jungle]

There are no notes in this post about multi tracking, even missiles in game dont have multi tracking, so why suddenly bring it up for guns .-.

There are no modded weapons that have even tried to do multi tracking, so again, what gives that were suddenly bringing it up as a limitations for guns when its the same for every other weapons.

[wispy valve]

I'm not talking about this post, I'm talking about your video, the limitation of gunner system that tuned with FT. What I want to say is, such a system needs dependencies on the "target locking" for tracking, which means limited to one target unit, let alone multiple tracking, which is not supported natively.

The idea of this post is to suggest that the automatic gunner part can be implemented, where each gunner entity can decide to fire at detected enemies in its vicinity autonomously, without dependencies on the target locking.

[rare jungle]

I feel it'd be too janky, or extremely limited to one kind of turret, most likely a Ball turrets with its very own model you cant rlly customize.

Cause fine tuning a custom made turret for an AI is gonna be one hell of a road.

Or, be very unreliable, most turrets arent ball turrets, most ball turrets dont fully rotate on its trunnion, to simply tell an AI which would most likely work with a single coord point as its reference point whilst compensating for this would be very complicated unless its limited to that one model.

Unless there would be more points of reference like a dedicated family of parts solely for AI use, a seperate gun part, seperate cannon part, seperate unguided rocket part, seperate rotator part, etc.

Or, if it does get fully implemented, how balanced is it? Would it be a bad shot, or would it be xX_ultragamersniper_Xx levels of tryhard, will there be options to limit these or no?

[wispy valve]

Well, i can't agree more. it will be complicated to implement to create such fully custom made turret. The most possible they can implement is gonna be a collection of turret model that we can choose from (like when we select wheel type in SP1), with properties that we can customize (like I mentioned in this post).

[uneven copper]

What game is that

[woven pagoda]

Men of war 2 assault squad i think

[wispy valve]

Call to Arms - Gates of Hell

[woven pagoda]

nice

[stable shore]

i dont think sp2 will be like wt

[sudden egret]

Peak game used as example.

Call to Arms: Gates of Hell - Ostfront. What the hell is a stable frame rate and an optimized game?!

[keen sandal]

GATES OF HELL REFERENCE?

[twin solstice]

Honestly. Getting turrets without needing lots of funky trees stuff would be great

There’s lots of bombers out there and even some funky turret fighters.

You could get allot of quality of life if you could just have a “create gunner option”

assign pivots to a gunner. Give it a camera, assign it a weapon and go.

You’d save HOURS of guesswork and adjustment.