XML overload

[humble inlet]

I still wanna be able to terrorize MP servers in my mach 15 235G turning plane with insta kill missiles and aimbot guns please

[somber heron]

getting kicked speedrun

[humble inlet]

what would i be getting kicked for exactly?

[dark condor]

I do think MP servers should have an option to ban XML-edited planes from being spawned

[sweet cedar]

cheating effectively

I have a feeling most multiplayer servers wouldn't be too accepting of overtly OP aircraft (also you're kind of an dingus if you wanna rk, not cool)

I think all of those sorts of aircraft should be locked to their own little server where they can duke it out in a "balanced" setting, relatively speaking

[humble inlet]

its not cheating if they integrate xml overload as a part of the game

[sweet cedar]

that's what "effectively" means in that context, not everyone wants to play that sort of crap

Some people would want to have balanced or realistic dogfights as opposed to seeing who can input bigger numbers into a field

[humble inlet]

ok true

[rocky kite]

add a limit to what you can change or not; maximum and minimum limit for specific attribute

[dark condor]

I think there is potential for highly customizable limitations, but a simple checkbox to limit craft to ordinary parameters is also valuable

[rocky kite]

i can agree

[proper leaf]

honestly this might be even more useful, I think you can honestly get like 50G turning mach 2 plane easily with stock parts, which would be a detriment to a server if you were trying to have realistic planes

[cerulean gyro]

also the way missiles look, without xml it seems like the capabilities are pretty insane either way

[dark condor]

By "ordinary parameters" i meant 'part settings that can be achieved without XML editing'

[proper leaf]

yeah absolutely, imagine having like a ww2 or cold war dogfight invaded by 50g amraams

[cerulean gyro]

like I wouldnt rule out non xml mach 3 80G missiles

[proper leaf]

you could prob make some SRAAMS capable of like 100g+ im sure

[vital garnet]

Oh god another MP xml shenanigans debacle

[dark condor]

as far as the original suggestion, the editor should have an XML editor. They put one in Juno so I'm assuming they will have one in SP2

[proper leaf]

yeah agreed

[cerulean gyro]

of course, but the way I use XML at least, I use it to fill gaps in the game
like higher thrust engines or better missiles.

if thats also how other people use XML, then I dont think it will be necessary but still helpful for goofy builds

[proper leaf]

its also pretty important for making weird contraptions and stuff (like a plane I made that is powered entirely by pistons), or basically anything creative enough to push the boundary of the game

[cerulean gyro]

that falls under "helpful for goofy builds"

[proper leaf]

landing gear bays I think also can require it too

[cerulean gyro]

I love the goofs and gaphs that SPs XML allows for
hell I have a mach 10 Ukrainian pig-mobile that has like 400 missiles
I just think for builds using standard parts it wont be required for good builds anymore

[rocky kite]

they're just L old craps flying around with inaccurate guns crying for kills

[vital garnet]

I mostly use XML for large builds in order to take up less parts, I really dont think limiting XML would really benefit some builds that make use of it to provide solutions to the features SP lacks

[cerulean gyro]

we might get JNO style procedural gears

And I also use it for larger builds like my Megaladon Class Battleship

[proper leaf]

small things like car suspension also sorta need it

[rocky kite]

there should be two official MP servers which one is a free godmode sandbox other one is for serious builds only

[cerulean gyro]

Im not saying no XML, Im just saying given the MASSIVE improvements we're going to get it wont be needed as much as it is now

[vital garnet]

??? XML has just been made easier to access? Nothing really happened to it where its gonna be needed less?

[proper leaf]

yeah i mostly use it for engines, wings, and weaponry to make up for issues with them in sp1

[cerulean gyro]

missiles mostly
engines probably (if we get procedural parts like JNO) - same with landing gears

[vital garnet]

Yeah, those are XML attributes, just made easier to modify

[dark condor]

they have specifically said they're trying to make it less necessary to use XML

[proper leaf]

i mean everything is an xml attribute techinically

[vital garnet]

They mean less necessity to use Overload or other XML editors, all of it are still XML attributes

[dark condor]

that is what the discussion about xml in this context is about, i think

[cerulean gyro]

what I mean when I say XML is like crazy modifications that are well outside of the scope of the base game

[vital garnet]

Literally the best solution for MP balance is player kicking, vote kicks, etc.

[cerulean gyro]

like in the current game you need to use XML if you want a missile that doesnt take an hour to lock and turn with a radius of 60 miles

[proper leaf]

yeah 100%

[rocky kite]

i dont think overload is a bad idea; i think we should have measures to stop MP being there with crappy OP invincible mach 500 flyarounds and 100% kill guarantee machines

[vital garnet]

In the end, XML Editing is still very useful, they are great for emulating arcadey physics if your working with a proper concept and great understanding of how the game works.

[rocky kite]

OH! isnt vote kicks my idea?

[rocky kite]

still, they can be abused, and IMO that's the biggest flaw in MP
and thanks to XML editing being available to civillians im an OP weapon planes designer

[cerulean gyro]

vote kick is definitely a good idea, but it can be abused

[rocky kite]

if they later require every player to have simpleplanes.com account, i think nope

[vital garnet]

I mean, would it really be that bad? We already have MP in SP1 and so far from what ive seen, everyone's just on their back foot, not wanting to be seen as a douchebag and refraining from those kinds of behavior.

Just drive the community attitude to be against that kind of abusive behavior and it will be heavily discouraged in the future

[proper leaf]

yeah i really don't think MP is going to cause some horrible issues with XML modding

[dark condor]

It might not, but ideally people have an option to prevent being killed by mach 10 200g 50km range missiles other than 'ban player after'

[proper leaf]

those are prob going to be in base game; the game allows so much creativity that even within the confines of no XML modding there will be absurdly OP things

[rocky kite]

fr

[grim flower]

I’m sure this has been said but xml is incredibly useful for builds from an aesthetic standpoint enough that it doesn’t make sense to limit it imo

[mental trellis]

While I do agree XML builds will have an advantage, straight up banning or kicking players that have them isn’t the way to go

Now if someone is actually causing problems with an XML build and no one can counter them then yes, kick them. But until they do leave them.

A way that dueling could be implemented is by adding a request feature like “such and such requests a duel with such and such” so that way people can decide if they want to fight an XML build or something like it

(More yappage incoming lol)

And on top of this, a build could be just a really good performing build with little to no XML editing

[proper leaf]

honestly the duel idea could prob solve all of the issues, combat could be an option on the server to be fully allowed, Duel only, or none

[mental trellis]

Yeah. Another option could be like someone can shoot you with guns cannons missiles and even ram you, but it wouldn't do any damage unless in an active accepted duel with that player(s)

[sand walrus]

Due to this i hope servers will be P2P instead of dedicated

Or optional dedicated multiplayer/hosting

[somber heron]

what do you think? do you think the server host will just allow you to use a plane like that? youll obviously just get kicked

[humble inlet]

ohh mb i thought u meant from the discord server lol

[loud valley]

That might not be popular, since plenty of people use xml for non-trolling purposes

[rocky kite]

add limitation on what to change and how much

[lunar atlas]

We should absolutely have XML and overload, just not in MP

[vivid root]

I think whe need server with xml and server without xml

[ashen basin]

how about this:
Each player has the option to toggle invincibility mode. Once active, the player's plane ignores all weapon-inflicted damage from other players. However, their own weapons no longer deal damage to others.

I don't think limiting any XML is a good idea. That would make most planes unusable just for having a custom landing gear or a functional cockpit. All of that stuff relies heavily on XML modding.

[vivid root]

yes ! we need xml for our creation

[vital garnet]

Any thing that implies limitation is essentially just a detriment to what Simpleplanes wants to be, a sandbox game full of creativity, where limits should be the only thing limited

[pseudo totem]

is that a recreation of stuff from that roblox game, 'naval warfare'? lollll

[vivid root]

I remember doing kamikaz on this game lol

[pseudo totem]

same here lol, i like how they actually made it do damage

[sacred helm]

1 solution i see is an option to join a public sesion and a option to just join friends

[worthy hull]

omg its naval warfare