general

[north marsh]

Happy now?

[oak flume]

Good evening everyone
Please how can I generate a video here 😢

[north marsh]

I think they removed that feature

[oak flume]

Omorr 😔😭

[north marsh]

I think I have it in my server (but it's like private) if you want I can give it to you

[rigid copper]

try generate video in their official website arena.ai

well pretty much very limited

[north marsh]

I think he/she hasnt access to the site but that works too.

[oak flume]

I haven't access the site yet

Let me check

[rigid copper]

well, he/she didn't, lol

[rigid copper]

you may need to sign up to arena.ai to generate video

[north marsh]

@oak flume check your dm

[oak flume]

@rigid copper just signed in

Not seen where to generate video. It's literally acting like chatgpt

[surreal zephyr]

Its just unquantized 5.5 thinking

So slower but like 15% smarter

[surreal zephyr]

With more thinking budget

[thin grove]

It looks

(The code

really bad

XSS in Error Page

Let me do a pull request so you can update

[deep adder]

nah no way it is

o1 and o3 pro were different

maybe more thinking budget but

context recall is something else

[surreal zephyr]

Its literally same model

Just better quanitzation + more thinking budget

[deep adder]

why was reasoning summary not showing before then

it only just started showing

[echo sinew]

Information on how to use Video Arena can be found in this article.

[surreal zephyr]

They updated it a bit after 5.5 came out

[compact marsh]

job

[thorny cove]

Qwen is better than codex at coding now?

[terse swan]

🤔

[wicked sage]

??? qwen 3.7 max costs more than twice as less than gemini 3.5 flash

are we deadass

[deep adder]

uhh cuz 3.5 flash is so much more agentic and better at coding lol

[wicked sage]

top 35

[carmine leaf]

oh

[toxic verge]

Yay images are back 🥰

Good call yo

[polar sequoia]

I would like to know daily Limit of chat gpt 5.5 in arena

[polar sequoia]

???

[echo aurora]

We're going to be doing this for a bit. Once 24/7 mod protection is in, we'll bring it back during off hours.

[toxic verge]

No, I understand no worries

[compact flame]

Hello pineapple

[echo aurora]

Currently, with all of the limitations there isn't good visibility into what that is. The new usage system we're planning to add will provide that visibility into the limits.

[echo aurora]

[north marsh]

Hi @echo aurora I made a simple app for arena i sent it here and got deleted somehow is it a rule that i dont know or i should send it somewhere else?

[echo aurora]

Can you tell me a bit about it in DMs? It's possible it wouldn't be something we're able to endorce and therefore wouldn't want it being shared in this server.

[north marsh]

sure!

[silent tree]

Yo pineapple have u ever played cod

[north marsh]

@echo aurora I sent the app in your dm

[echo aurora]

Battle Mode on Arena is the only game I play

[silent tree]

😭

[lavish mason]

Best img model rn?

[silent tree]

Gpt Image 2

[echo aurora]

Would encourage you to check out the leaderboards https://arena.ai/leaderboard/text-to-image

[lavish mason]

Dont see it

🥀

[silent tree]

oh u meant in arena

[lavish mason]

yea!

all broje

broke

[whole sundial]

you may be able to use it through max router in image gen

[abstract lantern]

Hi folks. Has Claude Opus disappeared?

[echo aurora]

Some models have been removed from Direct and Side by Side mode. You can find these models in Battle.

[abstract lantern]

Is possible select these models in side by side mode?

[feral elm]

I'm hating qwen-image-2.0-pro-2026-04-22 rn

[feral elm]

no
they're only in battle
that way users can't select them themselves
because they're hella expensive to serve

[echo aurora]

No, the Opus models were removed with Side by Side and Direct, you can find more in this announcement: #announcements message

[feral elm]

ugh I hate the direction AI is going in

[inland pilot]

Guys, does anyone know which model in LMA Arena is best for programming other than and something with no limit?

[feral elm]

I've concluded that both flux max and qwen image whatever are both terrible

[undone geyser]

TO EVERYONE, I BELIEVE THEY WILL ALL COME BACK BEFORE END OF 2026

HAVE FAITH AND LET @echo aurora DO HIS/HER WORK WITH THE CREW, ALSO SORRY FOR CAPS

[echo aurora]

ITS OKAY FOR THE CAPS ITS TOTALLY OKAY WHEN ITS DONE FOR POSITIVE MESSAGES LIKE THIS, THANK YOU!!!

[light sleet]

WHY ARE WE ALL SCREAMING

[carmine leaf]

i am playing minecraft

[echo aurora]

AAAaaaaa

[feral elm]

lol

[feral elm]

damn gpt-image-2 be making hella fine gens
||jokes aside have fun man!||

[carmine leaf]

its ai

[feral elm]

holy damn

no way

[deep adder]

playing minecraft

[feral elm]

I did not look at the numbers long enough

[wicked sapphire]

Hi pineapple , i read that the team is also working on to make a way to share context of a thread which has run out of its limit to a fresh new thread . How's that going ? @echo aurora

[carmine leaf]

is this ai

[feral elm]

wtf are you prompting it

legit impressed

trying myselff

blud tried too hard

[deep adder]

that looks AI

[echo aurora]

working on to make a way to share context
I can't say I'm aware of these efforts, where did you hear this? We are working on a new usage system we're hopeful will lead to us lowering the current context limits. I assume this is what you're referring to?

[feral elm]

it's all so wrong

[deep adder]

this isnt AI

[feral elm]

y'all lying to me atp

[deep adder]

?

[feral elm]

I can't tell if the one you sent is actually real

it looks fine

[cursive pagoda]

Damn these models

[feral elm]

they all suck rn

(I would love Opus and gpt-image-2 to be back)

[deep adder]

claude.ai

https://platform.openai.com/playground/images

[toxic verge]

So top model are top models because there top models ?

[cursive pagoda]

Idk why qwen doesnt keep qwen3.7 max as its default

[feral elm]

oh this one isn't terrible!

@echo aurora dear it's them again

in all the channels

😭

[cursive pagoda]

Pineapple pfp is so cute!

[feral elm]

yeah but $$$$$$$$$$$

[deep adder]

theres a method to making images look so much better

chatgpt adds a watertmark btw

[feral elm]

that's not chat

and idc

[cursive pagoda]

Fr?

Damn

[feral elm]

this one's chinese anyways

[echo aurora]

They're just trying to give us all free money, whats the problem?!?! (sarcasm this is clearly a scam and I wish they'd go away)

[feral elm]

gpt-image-2 would nail it

[cursive pagoda]

I love your pfp very much!

[vivid bloom]

Omg my favorite fruit is on

[feral elm]

pineapple glaze moment

[deep adder]

its like 2 cents to generate an image

[echo aurora]

"actival meter"

[vivid bloom]

??

[feral elm]

oh that got botched in the 16 turns of editing lmao

[vivid bloom]

Its valid tho

[cursive pagoda]

Try watermelon

[echo aurora]

Thank you! Fun fact, it was made with google slides.

[feral elm]

real

[vivid bloom]

meh

[toxic verge]

Which watermark?

[vivid bloom]

LMAO

[cursive pagoda]

Damnn

Better than ai

[vivid bloom]

Under there

[vivid bloom]

Ain't no way ur comparing pineapple and ai 😭 ✌️

[cursive pagoda]

Ai gen ima

Image

[vivid bloom]

Not my point

[vivid bloom]

thats like seeing the Mona Lisa and saying "wow, better than ai" 🫩

[feral elm]

synthid as well no?

[cursive pagoda]

Pineapple is more useful than ai
You can eat it

[toxic verge]

https://fyx.me/articles/attempting-model-extraction-of-google-deepmind-synthid-image-watermark-detector-and-exploring-adversarial-machine-learning-attacks-against-synthid/

Same thing here

[vivid bloom]

Holy chat flood

[toxic verge]

Open ai probably uses same methods of watermarking

[gloomy falcon]

Love it when Arena puts a hydrogen bomb against a coughing baby.

[feral elm]

haven't seen my baby opus in so long :'(

[cursive pagoda]

4.7 opus is still there?

[cursive pagoda]

I think opus us gone right

[cursive pagoda]

Is*

[toxic verge]

Can you spot the watermark?

[feral elm]

I just don't use battle mode often

[toxic verge]

It’s really way to see the watermark in those images

[cursive pagoda]

Damn so battle mode still has opus in it?
Crazy

I do mostly side by side

[feral elm]

gemini wants to fight

I'd punch it rn

[feral elm]

real the noise

[feral elm]

I do not see it in here honestly

[toxic verge]

That’s what the pattern is on those images that ChatGPT2 makes is

You can get rid of it and make it watermark free though without distorting the image

[feral elm]

how though?

[feral elm]

I can't say that wouldn't fool me

[toxic verge]

Bro text watermarking is even a crazier game

[wicked sapphire]

wheres the watermark

@echo aurora The "Status" i meant this

[blazing hill]

after you write your prompt, you can also set “no harsh artifacts”, to make the picture look more believable

[echo aurora]

I see. It is something we'll explore, but I don't have specifics to share in terms of updates towards this.

[wicked sapphire]

thanks for the response brathar

So are the limits initiated yet ?

[echo aurora]

There are limits that are currently in place, but it is not the new usage systme.

[wicked sapphire]

Aw hell na

Appreciate the response again

[echo aurora]

no problem. Don't hesitate to use #ask-here.

It can be helpful

[wicked sapphire]

So we'll get daily credits to use , lets say we get a 100 credits a day , and i didnt use any of em today , will they be 200 tomorrow ?

i hope the answer is good

[worn palm]

got Opus on my battle mode but not in direct chat, why that?

[echo aurora]

Would you mind asking in #ask-here ?

[worn palm]

oh

[echo aurora]

The daily credits will not roll over into following days.

[wicked sapphire]

Wait doesnt that means that side by side will take more credit points ?

[smoky roost]

Guys why the gemini 3.1 nano banana image generation model has been removed from lmarena

[radiant turtle]

Looks like upscaling/compression issues. Is this a screenshot from I2V? prompt for testing? I want to check something.

[red sluice]

Startup Idea: Prompt-expert website with rankings just like leetcode.

You have tasks, you are given a random AI (they give the name of the AI you're using), you have 5 minutes to make a prompt and then the website uses an LLM to evaluate the result after a single prompt, and ranks it.

Something that allows you to put that you're an AI expert on your linkedin

Prompts are anonymous by default but if the person who prompted and got the top result is ok, it can be unlocked for money and you get a fee, like 50% of what is paid while the person who made the prompt gets half the money too.

Price it $10/month for pro version and two challenges a day on freemium

make it super competitive

[wicked sapphire]

niche pfp

[red sluice]

I'd be your first client btw if someone made such an saas website

[simple blade]

Why did they remove the best image generation options "GPT Image 1.5 and 2.0"?

[echo aurora]

I'd say lets wait and see what the new system looks like. When rolled out, we'll be sure to have all of the questions answered.

[echo aurora]

We recently removed some models from Direct and Side by Side, you can find the announcement with the reasoning here: #announcements message cc @simple blade

[simple blade]

https://youtu.be/Tim5nU3DwIE?si=lTQ8fmxABXd_gvpc&t=19

[thin grove]

Anyone interested in coding message me

[surreal zephyr]

Openai dropping massive thing in two weeks. Dont ask how i know 🤔

[deep adder]

the spud?

if the spud doesnt top the arena it doesnt really matter TBH

in frontend and text

[fair hedge]

no way to reset the deleted email account from arena?

[echo aurora]

Sorry to say there is not a restore feature

[cursive pewter]

Is it just only me or the models are randomly cutting off for everyone

[amber rampart]

за что

[orchid cradle]

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[surreal zephyr]

@echo aurora seriously get better moderation than this 💀

3 scams + 1 ad

not deleted by mods

💀

its dangerous to keep such messages visible to everyone, people may fall for it

[sonic badger]

Hello, pro-hub owner

[surreal zephyr]

...hi?

^scam 1

^ scam2

^ scam3

[surreal zephyr]

^ scam4

<@&1349916362595635286> cmon

literally its so simple to prevent those scams 😭

[sonic badger]

yeah.. A.. can do it better

[feral elm]

@echo aurora wanna guess?

[deep adder]

@surreal zephyr why is codex so bad

[feral elm]

y'all do any of y'all have any gpt-image-2 prompts left
I don't wanna run a bajillion battle mode prompts until I get image-2

if it's even available

[surreal zephyr]

compaction is bugged as i said

[feral elm]

what's the context window on codex?

[deep adder]

tbh

codex is better for larger term projects

but CC literally has 5x the usage limits as xhigh fast

[feral elm]

codex couldn't build a not too complex app

granted it had the first prompt and then a single followup

[deep adder]

effectively 100k

[feral elm]

but still
angst

[feral elm]

yikes

[deep adder]

it isnt really yikes, it has better recall than any other model

maybe 3 pro is better

[feral elm]

at 100k? I'd hope so

[surreal zephyr]

do NOT use /fast bro

[deep adder]

why

[surreal zephyr]

fast is honeypot scam

[echo aurora]

We're looking into adding more mods soon btw

[deep adder]

is /fast actually bad 😭

[surreal zephyr]

fast is literally just "priority compute for 2.5x cost"

its not even 1.5x fast

[deep adder]

wdym priority compute

[surreal zephyr]

its usually same speed as normal if the usage is high

lol

[surreal zephyr]

"if noone is using the servers then we give you two servers at once"

[feral elm]

oh yeah
this

[surreal zephyr]

keyword: IF

[deep adder]

i thought it was 1.5x fast

?

[surreal zephyr]

its "1.5x fast on average when servers are idle"

[feral elm]

1.5x speed for 2.5x cost

apparently

[surreal zephyr]

no it literally depends on usage

it can be same speed or even 2x faster depending on time of day

[feral elm]

oh
was quoting you 🐦

[deep adder]

damn

i also think anthropic just has more compute rn

[surreal zephyr]

Automod bot would be much better and cheaper overall 🤔

[deep adder]

thats why claude plans have more tokens

cmux app is also insane

[surreal zephyr]

anthropic borrowed money from google to pay extreme overprice to XAI collosus

xai has the most compute rn lol

openai actually has decent compute too

[deep adder]

nah its google and meta

[surreal zephyr]

google wasted their compute on ai overview

[deep adder]

oh yh

[surreal zephyr]

they have nearly none remaining

[echo aurora]

Those crypto scams aren't the main focus of the concern

[deep adder]

that uses much more than ppl think

meta is cooking something good

[surreal zephyr]

well they are one of biggest issues with this server currently from what iv seen? unless theres something even worse going on?

[echo aurora]

I'd say they're the most common, but IMO not the biggest concern. Most people should be able to tell those are a scam.

[surreal zephyr]

well each one of those posting them fell of it, as its spread like virus

its real people's accounts stolen, not bot accounts

[feral elm]

HAH
I managed to guess gpt-image-2 out of 20+ generations

[surreal zephyr]

so apparently a lot of ppl fall for it

[echo aurora]

I understand

[feral elm]

and even then it got TON wrong

[surreal zephyr]

What is the main concern though? Maybe I could try to automate that too 🤔

[deep adder]

thats cool

[surreal zephyr]

Goated wallpaper

[feral elm]

also wrong I think
and it didn't do a wraparound 360° panorama

I should get unlimited access to gpt-image-2
who can @ sam

[surreal zephyr]

you have unlimited access in the sub

[feral elm]

which sub

[surreal zephyr]

gpt sub

[feral elm]

you mean OAI subscription? yeah nah

awh
yeah nah

[surreal zephyr]

also that IS panorama

[feral elm]

oh I hadn't enlarged it lmao

it looks wrong
also the seam doesn't seam properly

and rate limit

:(

[silent tree]

@sonic badger @sleek urchin why there 2 aeros

[sonic badger]

No idea who you are

And no idea why my main acc got banned

FOREVER

[silent tree]

wha

I was talking to u like a few hours ago

😭

[sonic badger]

And I got banned for thoose mr beast scam images

[silent tree]

dam

discord flagged bro

what happens to your bot

is it alive

[sonic badger]

dunno

i have source code

[silent tree]

ts why I never send those images 🥀

[sonic badger]

Gime invite link

[silent tree]

dm

[south brook]

Hello

[compact flame]

That would be great as a wallpaper ngl

[feral elm]

tyty

[feral elm]

wtf is that
😭 😭

you pull out even more unseen stuff

[toxic verge]

I can’t tell

So the dude writes in the article

He says

“From there, I took both images and decided to compare them to extract the delta for each pixel value and plot that. You can see the delta for the Red-Green-Blue (RGB) channels as well as a heat map of the combined deltas and some distribution graphs I’ll explain below”

[feral elm]

OHHHH
but gpt-image-2 's watermark is more complex isn't it

I know it is

[toxic verge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/FSohDQBm2Sw?si=xGQzSaQAjKgxijIm

[radiant turtle]

still looks like compression/upscaling

[toxic verge]

Yeah not sure how it works exactly but the watermark is in there somewhere

https://github.com/aloshdenny/reverse-SynthID

Check that out

[radiant turtle]

show prompt.

[toxic verge]

This is what pattern is supposed to look like ( watermark)

[toxic verge]

That was a screenshot from a video so might be a horrible example

But u do have something that could use your expertise actually

[radiant turtle]

made it a minute ago. The request was zero black with an acid-colored letter G. NB PRO

[toxic verge]

Oh wow I see it

Holy crap

[toxic verge]

This is great 👍 same pattern

I’ll be dammed

[toxic verge]

You ever see the text watermarking?

[radiant turtle]

I saw that you wrote about them here, but I wasn't particularly interested.

[toxic verge]

It’s hard to beat

Anywho I could use ur help on something

[toxic verge]

You think you can fix that ?

[radiant turtle]

I'll try it for fun. The first thing I noticed, to be honest, was a lamp that looked like a picture on the wall.

[hollow ivy]

-# bump

[deep adder]

@hollow ivy you need to add a "it works but i dont like the limits"

[toxic verge]

I was thinking of removing the lights and just putting diner window

[hollow ivy]

unfortunately, i can't edit polls

[hollow ivy]

can you create a new poll?

[radiant turtle]

lamps can be moved outside the frame

[deep adder]

very excited for gemini 3.5 pro

[toxic verge]

Like this but without the lights make the back wall a window

That way I can have an outside shot and see him thru the window too was my alternative

[hollow ivy]

-# bump

[deep adder]

@hollow ivy IMO is heavily depends here

[hollow ivy]

for RP, which would you recommend?

[deep adder]

nemotron/mistral/seed are out

[deep adder]

Kimi k2.6 easily

that model is special

[hollow ivy]

y?

[feral elm]

:(

[deep adder]

its just really good at writing for some resaon

[hollow ivy]

in battle mode?

is there a rate limit in battle?

[deep adder]

@hollow ivy u forgot tencent/hy3-preview

[hollow ivy]

ah, right!

ty for the tip/heads-up

[deep adder]

it sees a lot of tokens on openrouter

[feral elm]

apparently so

[hollow ivy]

that's really bad news

[wheat ember]

I also think Claude 4.7 opus and Claude 4.6 opus are great too. Have to give Kimi 2.6 a go

[deep adder]

those are american models

[hollow ivy]

i intentionally didn't put Claude/Gemini/GPT/Grok in that poll
(but i forgot about Muse Spark)

[deep adder]

also @surreal zephyr 5.5 xhigh non fast is definitely slower than fast

significantly

[hollow ivy]

i have hopes for MS-2

[deep adder]

same

muse spark is good as it is

[hollow ivy]

yeah, because the first version was already that good

[deep adder]

who knows though

DeepSWE prob funded by openai

[hollow ivy]

i hope not

Berman thinks their dataset is not compromised yet

[deep adder]

gpt 5.4 is the most autistic model

it shouldnt top deepSWE

[hollow ivy]

it's strange, that Opus-4.6 is not in DeepSWE

(and some others are also missing, Qwen, MS, etc)

[deep adder]

because not funded by anthropic probably

muse spark not accessible

i think they must think their current model is bad if they arent exposing an API

or they just dont have the infra for API/platform etc

its likely both

[hollow ivy]

which model is currently the most underrated one?

[feral elm]

muse spark?

[hollow ivy]

yep

so, (bytedance) Seed is not frontier, right?

[deep adder]

no lol

MiMo V2.5 Pro is now same price as deepseek v4 btw

they matched

qwen will prob do the same

[hollow ivy]

yeah, heard that somewhere (in YT, iirc)

[deep adder]

but DS V4 pro was still trained on nvda chips

theyre trying to blur that and convince people it was trained with huawei

[hollow ivy]

Amazon, IBM and Nvidia seem to have no chance to catch up with models

[deep adder]

yh they gave up i think

[hollow ivy]

what about Cohere?

(in Canada)

[still musk]

Who knows if they will ever come back🫩

[hollow ivy]

and what about other asian models? (outside china)

[deep adder]

Canada lol

im surprised there arent any russian models

[hollow ivy]

yeah, but i think, yandex has one

based on llama lol

LLaMa (=lame ^^)

what about that dark-matter model?

[deep adder]

this is a joke benchmark

[still musk]

https://tenor.com/view/getting-up-ghostface-scream-7-rising-up-paramount-pictures-gif-12796539269354480478

[toxic verge]

Gemini the least honest ai

https://killedbygoogle.com/

One day Gemini will be in that list

When was the last time Google innovated anything?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-buys-artificial-intelligence-startup-deepmind/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Alphabet

Everything cool they have they just bought not innovated

[radiant turtle]

You can try deleting the right part of the image and edit image with the same prompt, asking to restore the deleted part based on the prompt and slightly increase the aspect ratio. something like this. As I understand it, this was done in META with a certain style, like seventies animation, right?

[toxic verge]

Ohh that nice nice

What is the secret sauce to your work?

[loud verge]

Finally found this model

[radiant turtle]

a huge amount of trial and error

[toxic verge]

Yeah, you’re very talented. I’m very good at what you do. 😊

[silent tree]

RIP ampro 😭 💔

[compact flame]

What happened to him

[silent tree]

check the ai server 😭

[gray oyster]

Is it just me or is may-alpha actually really good

[toxic verge]

You have some of the best work/skill I’ve seen

[compact flame]

Hare what do you think. What will be the future of ai

Will it get shutdown or it will continue to grow

[toxic verge]

Hmm 🤔

That’s a really hard question

[toxic verge]

What do you think?

[compact flame]

Well I think it'll reach a point it can't grow anymore

Like a limit to knowledge

[toxic verge]

Like what are we talking about like long in the future or?

[compact flame]

Yeah ig

How much ai will last

Before getting forgotten

Or just discontinued

[toxic verge]

Me personally I think that western civilization is doomed to fail and I think the technology I’ll be the means of our own destruction. I based this on a few historical philosophies.

[lusty tinsel]

so... we should never build a big project or keep updating it in the same chat? so far that chat had the best understanding of my project which has come so far 💀

[compact flame]

You got a point honestly

[compact flame]

Well arena wasn't probably designed for long stuff

What model do you generally use

[lusty tinsel]

its agent mode

[compact flame]

I heard people say qwen 3.7 max is good with code check and stuff

[compact flame]

Oh

[lusty tinsel]

one week of chat ig

[toxic verge]

You should check out those books if you ever have time if you really wanna learn about some really cool stuff in history

I don’t see technology as a way of progress. I see it as it means to an end. What goes up must come down.

[compact flame]

I have plenty of books stored somewhere probably even older than me because my grandma had them gotta check them out later

[toxic verge]

I wanna show you something really quick

[compact flame]

What is it?

@vapid berry

Wrong guy

<@&1349916362595635286>

Some people really gotta stop putting moderator in their name. I keep pinging them on accident

[toxic verge]

Are you familiar with this painting?

[compact flame]

Nope I don't think I've seen it

Looks old

Volcano incident?

[toxic verge]

Yup

[compact flame]

I think I heard a little about it

[toxic verge]

It’s a Roman soldier of Pompeii

[tall tulip]

guys is gemini image is not available now?

[compact flame]

The paintings look good though. I feel bad for the people there that couldn't escape the volcanic eruption

[toxic verge]

It’s very symbolic because his civilization the Roman is no longer around

And there was no hope for him because the volcano blew up

But he still held his ground. That is to say that even if the future with technology and AI sometimes made it look bleak.

It’s hard to explain, but there’s a lot of symbolism in it

Mean about people’s behavior

Cause I think dude technology and AI is driving people crazy social media all of it I think it’s not healthy for society. I’m not against it, but I just think that there’s consequences of that we pay the price for.

I personally think that this technologies are extremely addictive and it designed this way

[compact flame]

Yeah I guess

The creativity is disappearing

[toxic verge]

Well, he writes about that in the book too Oswald Spangler about creativity

[compact flame]

Though not that I had any creativity to begin with.

Like I genuinely struggle to create something creative enough. Even in sandbox games like Minecraft

All I can think of is building a wooden box to live in

[toxic verge]

Well, one example I could give you is if you look at a lot of AI generated stuff it’s usually people generating like IPS and characters that were all familiar with you know show celebrities, etc. blah blah blah

And it’s kind of ironic, isn’t it ?that we have this tool that could generate anything your mind could think of?

[compact flame]

Though you know what would be disastrous

If somehow ai devs manage to give ai actual creativity

[toxic verge]

Creativity subjective

It’s all on the beholder. It doesn’t matter if it’s AI generated or if it’s somebody that painted it.

Think about it like this AI could beat the worlds best chess player

But people don’t tune in watching two AI’s duke it out to see which robot is the worlds greatest chess player

Why is that?

[pine meadow]

Gemma 3 27b Best gpt-oss 120b

[compact flame]

Because robots I guess?

Who wants to see robots fight each other

That feels lifeless

[pine meadow]

not me

[compact flame]

But anyway Back to the topic.

I'd say qwen 3.7 max non preview is rather good

It managed to replicate Roblox page quite well

[torn arrow]

welp someone got hacked lol

[storm needle]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[compact flame]

I'd say qwen has great potential

It can possibly beat Claude opus models later

[slim escarp]

Hi! Is Nano Banana / Gemini 2.5 Flash Image Preview no longer available in Direct Chat? I can’t find it in the model selector anymore. Is this expected or temporary?

[toxic verge]

There’s nothing more lifeless than a robot my guy.

[echo aurora]

This is expected. May be temporary for when the new usage system rolls out.

[slim escarp]

ah ok, so you see the same?

[toxic verge]

This is real lol 😂

[compact flame]

Well I won't lie those seem fun

[toxic verge]

That’s what I’m saying, though bro you’re not gonna pay $300 a ticket to go watch two robots play chess

[compact flame]

Fr

[toxic verge]

Which you might end up paying $300 for some front row tickets to watch two robots destroy themselves

[echo aurora]

Yeah, a recent announcement announced this change.

[echo aurora]

Can say it very much is, went to a Battle Bots event once, 10/10 experience would recommend

[toxic verge]

Bro, you remember this game this was before ai 😂

This is one of the greatest contradiction of our modern age.

That’s why I say that it’s important to understand stupidity, because we’ll never know what intelligence really means s until we first have a concept of stupidity meaning

[pine meadow]

why i cant upload HTML file in Arena

@echo aurora

[echo aurora]

We haven't yet added that capability. We do plan to expand this.

[pine meadow]

Please add it, I really need it

[compact flame]

Hey pineapple I have a question

Do you have a favorite ai model

Like what ai models you prefer or just have expectations on

[pine meadow]

Which Chinese model do you prefer?

[compact flame]

Qwen seems to have a lot of potential

Especially qwen 3.7 max non preview

[pine meadow]

Yup

[toxic verge]

I’ve always used to think that stupidity was a disadvantage for the human race, but it turns out that stupidity has been extremely advantageous for humanity 🤣

[pine meadow]

Each new model from Alibaba brings a bigger surprise than the previous one.

[compact flame]

So that why people keep saying F students are the inventors

[echo aurora]

I personally use gpt 5.5 a lot

[toxic verge]

I don’t know what the deal is, but I can tell you that it’s extremely ironic and contradicting, especially the fact that we live in the information age where any piece of information could be accessed on infinite number of topics or subjects at the whim of your fingers

But the more we have like the dumber we become lol

It’s almost like universal poetic justice.. think about this ancient man knew how to travel by stars… try to find a school near you or instructor within a 100 mile radius lol who can teach u

[copper needle]

is it fixed ?

[echo aurora]

The bug we were seeing over the weekend? Yes

[copper needle]

thanks but no limits ?

[echo aurora]

No there are still limits. Having limits wasn't a bug

[copper needle]

i never had a limit before tho

[echo aurora]

Limits can adjust over time, this is why we want to move to a new usage system

[copper needle]

ok bru , ty

[echo aurora]

No problem! We're hopeful this new system will be way more clear about what these limits are

[dim basin]

if anyone is experienced with prompting in general, more spesifically veo 3.1, and your willing to help me out, please send a dm

[blissful vapor]

Muse spark is over 😭😭

[modest iron]

what are the ratelimits for battlemode?

[echo aurora]

Those limits aren't displayed at the moment. We do plan to make a change where this is visible to the user.

[mild harness]

please help. I have been using Max-search mode, but after the second or third prompts, it stucks forever with "Searching..." for 1-3 days without stopping. There is no stop button

[echo aurora]

Can you ask in #ask-here that you're getting an infinite generation bug?

[fallow anchor]

wait wait wait what happened 😭

[echo aurora]

Heads up I've turned off the ability to upload media for now. This is a temporary measure.

[analog aspen]

when is the opus models coming back, @echo aurora ?

just asking ^_^

[normal abyss]

their is a pretty good chance it will be back within the new credits system update, however their is a chance it wont.

[analog aspen]

ok

wait... new credit system?

whats it about?

[normal abyss]

the way it works currently as of today, is every single model has its own amount of credits in a way, which is pretty confusing.

the new system will gather all those credits, and let you use them however you like, on 1 model perhaps. or a few you like.

[analog aspen]

oh ok!

[normal abyss]

the biggest diffrence is the limits will be daily, not hourly (unless this changes)

[analog aspen]

ok.

[split topaz]

Is there any timeline now on when this change might be happening or is that still to be determined?

[loud herald]

We cant send images anymore?

[vocal niche]

We are currently seeking a reliable partner to collaborate with.
Applicants must be European nationals and possess knowledge of AI.
This recruitment is a great opportunity for entry-level developers to learn and grow.
If you are interested, let's talk